 This is Think Tech Hawaii. Community Matters here. Bingo! Four o'clock rock! Here we are on Hawaii, the state of clean energy. And today we're going to talk about the state of clean transportation. H-D-O-T, that means Hawaii Department of Transportation, update, okay? And our principal discussion is Hawaii's transportation sector marches toward clean energy with Maria Tome and Darryl Young from DOT. So, we're going to have a little news first though from the Hawaiian Electric Company. So, Peter Rosex, spokesman. What's happening? Well, we announced today that we are looking for developers of renewable energy projects who are interested in coming to Hawaii. And last December we put out a request asking landowners who were interested perhaps in talking to these kind of developers to let us know, and they gave us their names and some information. And now we have a list of, actually a very impressive list longer than I expected of, of landowners across our service territories who are willing to talk to developers about having some kind of renewable energy on their property. And now we're telling developers we have this list. And so, you know, we're confronted with a really gargantuan task, 400 megawatts of clean energy added to our system, clean generation, added to our system in basically the next five years. That's unprecedented. We've never done that much of any kind of generation, much less renewable. And that each of those projects, and there'll probably be dozens of them, you know, takes a long time. So, all we're trying to do is kind of save a little time at the beginning so that if an international or a national or a local developer who says I want to do a renewable energy project in Hawaii comes to town, they don't have to start from scratch in terms of where can I do this, who might be willing. They don't have to knock on a lot, you know, a lot of doors. We'll at least be able to say talk to this one, two, three, four, whatever number it is. And we, to have access to this list, the renewable energy developer has to show us credentials. They're not just, you know, anybody, it's not the fly-by-night company. It's somebody that's done renewable energy projects, that has the expertise, that has some background. And if they do get to one of these landowners and they do reach an agreement, then they can, you know, eventually they'll want to turn around and negotiate with Hawaiian Electric and say we want to do this project. And one of our requirements before we'll sign a Purchase Power Agreement is that the developer and the landowner will go to the public, they'll go to their neighbors and say, here's what we have planned, and they'll get public input. And then the process goes to a contract, to the go to the Public Utilities Commission, consumer advocate. We're not cutting anything out of that part of the process. So we're just trying to move this very lengthy and very cumbersome project along a little bit. If we can save a developer, you know, three months, six months looking for land, looking to who to talk to, that saves the developer money and ultimately we can negotiate a better contract and get a lower price for our customers. So, you know, there's not a lot we can do except to say we're looking for renewable energy developers. But this is one thing we think will make it a little bit easier for developers of any kind, any technology that fits into Hawaii's needs to come here and get started. So what about on the front end, because I really think that's a great idea. But what do the developers have to put up? You know, so that we don't have just not fly-by-night landowners, but you know, what are the landowners doing so that it does make it easier to make that connection, not just, I have land, you know, you can call. The land, we can't really, we opened it up to any landowners and we'd still take names if they come in and say, you know, I've got X number of acres at this location, that's what it looks like. And you know, we have some questions, specific questions we'd want them to answer. We don't have any real other requirements of landowners. If they turn out to have a vacant lot in Makiki, you know, we're not going to put them on the list. That's not going to work, but if they have a place where one of the technologies we need is viable, we can put them on the list. We're not giving out their names or the names of any of these people to anybody, but a reputable renewable energy developer. Anybody can come to town, but we don't want to give a head start or try to save this time for anybody, but some company that can say, look, we've done this number of projects in this number of places, they were successfully completed, you know, just to show we have a staff, we have the resources, you know, we've had been able to get loans in the past. Each company may have a different sort of set of bona fides, but we just want to have some proof that it isn't somebody that incorporated their, you know, renewable energy and storm door company yesterday in South Dakota. We want to have people, developers who are reputable. They have to work with the landowners and vice versa and they have to do their due diligence. We're not involved in any of that. We're simply, we're kind of doing match.com. We're not even going to set up the first date. We're just giving these guys phone numbers and say, here's who you call. Here are the landowners who've said they have this kind of land and they're willing to talk to you. And after that, the landowner and the developer have to negotiate and the developer has to figure out what's possible and come, eventually come to us and say, we've got this land, we've got this financing, we've got this, let's negotiate. We will, before too long, put out what's called an RFP, a request for proposals, because the process for procuring for actually getting contracts is very strictly laid out by the PUC. So we're not circumventing any of that. We're simply saying, let us give you a little, you know, a list of speed dates to look at. And then you still have to go through all the stuff. You still have to get your blood test and get your marriage license and all that stuff. But if we can save a developer three, six months at the front end, you know, we've got to do all this in five years and as I said, nobody's ever, in this state, has ever done any kind of, you know, 400 megawatts of any kind of generation in that short of time for him. We all know how long projects take and the obstacles they face. And that's good. I mean, you know, we're not saying that's not a process because we don't want just anything. We don't want just anybody. But on the other hand, if we're going to get the clean energy by the milestones we have, we have to get moving. And behind all that, I would say, there are federal tax credits right now that exist for renewable energy projects. And they are either going to disappear or be staged down over the next three to five years and anytime a developer can get a tax credit, we can say, give us a lower price. And the lower price we get is the lower price that our customers have to pay because we don't take a profit. We don't mark up any kind of energy that we buy from companies like that. So we have a reason to move quickly both for the reason of wanting to get to 100% and for the reason of wanting to get to the best deals we can. I guess one of the things, because way back when for a while, there were cultural maps, you know, that I think the UH did for us, the policy form. And so if you could kind of call out those types of landowners, I mean, you small, you decrease the pool. But it's a more effective pool because they don't have to go, you know, with protesting. You know, why you're building on my land when it's not available. Sure. That kind of thing. Anybody that comes to town is going to very quickly learn that it's, you know, just getting the phone number is not enough. You have to know, you know, you have to look at the community. You have to look at the owners. You have to look at cultural concerns, all those things. We're not trying to circumvent that. We just have a list of landowners, big and small, across the territory. The five islands we serve who said we have some land. We believe it could be available for renewable energy. Let people come and talk to us. And that's all we have. And that's all we can offer. We also have some information about, you know, what the circuits are like so that, you know, if you're going to put a renewable energy project way out in the country and you don't have a wire to bring that electricity to the grid, that increases the expense. So somewhat, and as you know, the circuits are not infinitely able to take more power. They have to be upgraded or work might have to be done or whatever. And we're going to also be able to supply some of that kind of information to say, okay, there may be land out at, you know, this place, but it's also going to entail upgrades to the 46KV circuit or whatever. So those are things in the cultural part and the, you know, just the whole Hawaii tradition of the way things are done here are all going to be part of what a developer has to face. It's a great idea, Peter. Is this your idea, Peter? Yeah, I thought of it just before I came over here. When does this all start? It starts right now. We asked in December for landowners to come forward. They did. We've compiled the list and today we put out a news release saying, and we're going to, you know, we're going to put it out in other ways to reach developers across the country around the world. As you know, a lot of the renewable energy development here is funded by companies in Japan or mainland companies or Canadian companies. We don't have, we have some local developers who've developed renewable projects, but Hawaii's capital pours, we all know, and it's going to take outside investors coming here and saying I'm willing to take a chance on doing business in Hawaii and I'm willing to because, you know, because I love the place because it's such a, you know, it does have great opportunity for us to do whatever kind of project we do. So many good things about this. One is it shows that Hawaiian Electric is innovative and creative. This is an innovative and creative idea. Number two is it will bring people together where they might not otherwise come together. Number three is it will bring foreign capital in, which is necessary. It will also allow kind of a, it's a sticky field, you know what I mean? It's like Hawaiian Electric is saying these guys are, we can't vouch for them, but they're good enough for us to put on the list. So, you know, it's a credibility point. And it's also going to, just in the same vein, it's also going to make the point to anybody involved that if they screw up and get involved in a mess, they may not be on the list anymore because you can't afford to have messes. And the whole, and finally, and you mentioned this, is that it will expedite the whole process. And this leads me to my next question, which we only have a minute left here. That is, what is the relationship of this, you know, expedition measure to PSIP and to the approval of PSIP? Okay. I've got to stop you right there. Acceptance of PSIP. The Public Utilities Commission said, okay, third try a charm. You, we're going to accept this. We, you know, we didn't like your IRP. We didn't like your first PSIP. Finally, okay, we're going to accept this. And they made a lot of criticism, as you know. They had a lot of, but we're very glad we have now a starting point, a PSIP that is accepted with a lot of stipulations and a lot of warnings about, you know, we're going to scrutinize every project at every cost and everything very closely, as they should. And the relationship is that we are committed in that power supply improvement plan to this 400 megawatts of renewable energy in five years to reach the milestones which the state government, which the legislature and the governor have set for us. And we have put a number of things in the PSIP, including doubling the amount of rooftop solar by 2030. In other words, from about 80,000 homes and businesses to about 165,000 homes, very ambitious. And now they say, okay, that seems like, you know, we hope that's doable and now you got to go make that happen. So we are... So this is part of making it happen? This is an absolute part. This is implementing the PSIP right now. This is making it happen right now. This is getting the ball rolling. And, you know, the inertia, the hardest part is giving it the first push. And that's what we're trying to do for these grid scale, you know, renewable energy projects. We're doing a lot, you know, much of it behind the scenes and fairly wonky about trying to get the grid ready for more renewables. We have a lot of... We have a program with NREL right now about advanced inverters. We're testing a kind of a little... a little what's called a collar that fits on your meter and can help us allow you to get more... to put solar on your roof. We have a program that if you're willing to put solar in a battery, you can breeze through, you know, it's more expensive. Sounds like we're really moving along. Well, we're trying our best. I mean, I don't want to... And you extended the credit, or the rebate rather, on the electric cars, on the Nissan Leaf. Yeah. That's very good. Well, we're working with Nissan. All credit really is to them. They said, we'll work with you. We'll give any of your customers on any of your three companies and Kauai Island Utility Co-op, a $10,000 discount. And, you know, I wish I could say... or I'm glad I can't say. We're not spending ratepayers' money. We're not spending anybody's money. It's Nissan's money, but we're the ones that can reach... I mean, everybody in the state who's a customer gets a bill. That's the same thing as making the land matrix. It's the same thing. You're encouraging it. It's management. That's what it is. It's encouraging people to do the right thing. And we are involved with a drive electric Kauai organization, which includes Blue Planet, O'Lopono, and the state for the same purpose, promote electric vehicles, find a way to make it easier for people to get an electric vehicle, to get the benefits, to understand that. We're doing all of those things. And is it enough? It's never enough. When you come around and tell us what else you do, because we'd like to see you on a regular basis, because things are moving along here. I will be glad to come back, and every time we have something to brag about. All right. Thank you, Peter. I'll be here to brag. Peter Russo, white electric company. Thank you so much. Absolutely. We'll take a short break. We'll be right back with our visitors in chief. You're watching Think Tech Kauai, which streams live on ThinkTechKauai.com, uploads to YouTube, and broadcasts on cable OC16 and Olalo 54. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tech. Aloha. I'm Kauai Lucas, host of Hawaii Is My Main Land, here on Think Tech Hawaii Fridays at 3 p.m. Hawaiian Standard Time. We explore environmental issues, political issues, keeping it local any way we can. Aloha. Freedom. Is it a feeling? Is it a place? Is it an idea? At Diveheart, we believe freedom is all of these and more, regardless of your ability. 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Although I'm here I'm here in the capacity as the chair of the Transportation Committee for Hawaii Energy Policy Forum. Thank you. Thank you. So we are changing gears. Sorry, you can do that. Be flexible. To transportation. I can be flexible. Okay. And Darryl Young, Deputy Director of the Harbors Division at the Hawaii the Hawaii State Department of Transportation. And I'm going to talk about clean energy in transportation today. So first, we're going to describe the series, Maria. The series lasts through August. What's the series? Okay. Well, we're marching forward with the topic of transportation and the Hawaii Clean Energy Day on August 28th, you know, is close to the end of the month. And so we're going to be covering transportation topics all the way through. And so we're really glad that Department of Transportation is represented here. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So follow me. So thank you for coming and kind of representing the Harbors Division but also state transportation. We wanted to start the series with the case of Chief, the HDOT. Right, right. We are going to have Shimlauer with the Coalition of Transportation for Clean Transportation or Sustainable Transportation. Next week we're going to have Kauai talking about their program, Lee Steinmetz and we may possibly even have the Mayor on you know, very committed to having a transportation system that is second to none. And then we'll follow that with, see, I can't really see, I think we're going to try to get a couple more people on but we're hoping to have the whole whole month on transportation, clean transportation. So Daryl Young, what's happening? Oh, well, you know, it's great that you had Peter on earlier. You know, and he's talking about having this land bank that's available for developers to look at. Kind of along the same lines that we've discussed in the past few shows that I've been on, that you know, we're looking at if someone is bringing in alternate energy and it happens to be a fuel type of product, we need to be talking about, same like him, having started the conversation as to how are we distributing this fuel? Where is it going? How is it reaching the neighbor islands? What kind of shipping device is it going to be in? Is it going to go through pipelines? If it is going to go into pipelines, it's something that we need to be talking about now. As we've shared in the past, we're going to be building a dedicated fuel pier out of Kalei Lua. My biggest fear is we're going to finish building the pier and there's no alternate fuel lines in it. Right? So, you know, so it's how do we begin that? But again, it's a very, it's a very, it's a very noble cause that we're working at, trying to get to 100% renewable fuels for electricity generation as well as for transportation fuels. It's that, it's these little things that we need to figure out. One of the things I shared with Maria when we were sitting on the side was we know how to ship cars, regular fossil fuel cars. They come in less than quarter of a tank. You know, we get on and off the boats, rolling on, rolling off. We just started to realize as we're starting to import more and more of these electric cars like Peter talked about. I don't have any charging stations near the, the, the, the harbor. So that's again, that's a logistical thing that we have to figure out. You know, how many of these rapid chargers do I need so that we can make sure that they can get to the dealerships? You know, winning enough of a charge, right? It's these little things that electric cars coming in. You know, you can take a page of this area. If you'd like to, you know, dedicate your land and make a deal with some charging station entrepreneur, you can put you together with some charging station entrepreneur. Yeah, funny. I didn't know Peter was here. We're actually talking to Brennan. Morioka did the transition. Yeah. And he's in charge of electrification of transportation issues. And this is one of the topics that came up this morning when we were talking. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. We're talking about particular transportation, charging stations. Yeah. We're going to get Brennan on, so we're going to ask him a question. Yeah. We've got a list, right? Yeah. Yeah. Again, for my team, it's more of the logistics. Yeah. How does everything move back and forth? Yeah. And move efficient. Yeah. Yeah. You may not be able to, you know, control the individual decision of the individual driver, but if, you know, if you manage these assets, it's going to be incentive. Right. And maybe disincentive, too. Right. Again, as we've seen from this morning as well, with Servco coming in and talking about a hydrogen fuel cell car and a fuel, a fueling station that they're hoping to build, how are we going to move that fuel? What are the parameters that Ed has to deal with as it moves on the highways, right? So, again, it's something that we're embracing. We're just trying to figure out how all the pieces themselves. Again, I'm not knowing how that fuel would be handled and whether or not what type of vessel or container it's going to be in. That's going to really dig into that. So, the first question is the fuel. Yeah. How are you distributing? Are we producing hydrogen or are we shipping hydrogen? Yeah. Yeah. Because they come in containers too, so to take it to the neighbor. Right. So, Maria, which is going to win? Is it going to be going to need a combination? Yeah. Why do I need a combination? Well, you've got your small vehicles that have your electric batteries and they go... It's talking like an engineer. Yeah. You know, hydrogen has a shorter refueling time for the larger vehicles at a certain point. You know, so your fuel cells or your batteries are both going to be developing. And so, there is an interest and a support for both. You know, and if you're talking about transporting energy from where it's produced to where it's needed and you're looking at well, do we build more infrastructure that involves the power lines or the batteries? Or do you have some kind of a fuel that can be transported? You know, there are going to be times when you need one or you prefer the other. Yeah. So, today we can't say it's going to be all one and I don't think you know, both of them need to be Which one should I get? Well, what do you want? And why? I want to say, I want to say, we're doing certain. Peter's $10,000 repay. Yeah, yeah. Go for it. So, here I am driving on the highway, okay, with my electric car and lo and behold, it runs out of you know, battery charge. Now, if it was a gas car, somebody could come with a little red tank and pour me a gallon or two and go forward. How do you get my electric car off the highway so I'm not jamming up traffic? So, my understanding and this is my brief understanding in the short conversation we had this morning is they actually have mobile units of rapid charge units but they're the size of like a large ballroom vacuum cleaner. You know, you know, the stand up ones that are almost like a Zamboni. Is that the Moby? Yeah, Moby makes it. Yeah, but again, that heavy equipment to you, right? Is it in the back of a truck? Yeah. Is it part of the figure a patrol? Yeah. We don't know and I think that the private sector will outpace what it is that we're thinking about. You know, anecdotally, I remember the story that we had where, you know, someone is saying I'm shipping a Tesla. Where's my charging station in Molokai? I don't know. Not, right? But I've already bought the car and it's on its way. Oh, can anybody check? Right. But you know, again, so the private sector is outpacing the infrastructure. And that is all I'm trying to say is that we need to have that discussion on how the infrastructure catches up. Yeah, while I was traveling, you heard me, I just came back from a trip. I was thinking about this very thought. Not necessarily anticipation of this discussion, but I was thinking that a young entrepreneur, well, an entrepreneur of any age, okay? Okay, could say I will give me a place, doesn't have to be 10 square feet, whatever it is, give me a place and I will install a charging station and I will pay rent to the owner and I will pay, you know, for the charge. I'm talking about electric, of course. I will pay, in fact, I would do both. I would do hydrogen and I would do electric, both in the same station. So Maria will say good for you, and I will pay rent and I will charge for the charge or the hydrogen and I can do this cheap in various places around the city and all you have to do is somehow, I don't know the level of incentive, somehow incentivize me to get into this business and then I would build 10 of them, maybe I'd have an income out of that and then he incentivize a lot of people and, you know, would the state ever consider doing that? Would you have to do the RFP process on that? Probably, if it's the use of state lands, use of state funds and you run into environmental assessment or environmental impact statement. So, you know, there is a cost of working with government and we're trying to figure out how we allow that entrepreneur to recoup that over time. Yeah, yeah. How did you do that because you've got the harbors and it's right there when the ship comes in it's like right there. So, how do you get that land when they're especially in those places they're not being used. Yeah. Well, you know, for us when we're talking about charging stations these are charging stations behind our security line. So, you know, that's what we're looking at right now. It's hard on how I get it into public domain. Right? So, when you're talking about someone's driving around and they need to find someplace to Whoa, it would be on my GPS app. Tell me exactly where it's going. Right. Mine would be behind a security fence how do I supply those those vehicles as they're coming out to the dealership. Yeah. Yeah. But they're both they're both things to look at. Yeah. If you can't get it off the yard, you know, it's stuck in there. Yeah. And then my understanding also is that there's three different levels of the types of charges you can get. Fast and fast. Well, level one, level two. Yeah. Level one, level two and fast. The other aspect is just for vehicles is at home. So I'm at home. Yeah. And one of the glorious things about electric cars and maybe hypothetically hydrogen cars I'm seeing you with a hydrogen car. Okay. Is that, you know, I can do it at home. I mean, conception I can do it. But the problem is and Sharon will tell you you got to get electrician. You got to pay big bucks. Yeah. And you got to get, you know, approvals and permits and you know, it's a hassle. If I could simplify this. Right. If I could have a regular process Bing Bang Bang done and maybe even kind of a corporate electrician, if that's possible. Right. It goes out there and it's done. He's not he's not learning on the job. He knows how to do this, you know. Yeah. If I could do that I could make it easier for people to supply their own home with a charging station and that's not going to solve the problem. But it will solve the problem about somebody who doesn't have a long distance to travel and who would be okay by, you know, charging overnight. And this would be I'm only looking for incentives, right? Yeah. Because if we incentivize the public about this we'll have more electric and hydrogen cars on the road all the time. And some of the things that we're looking at is is there a public private partnership opportunity that we have out there? Let's say we were to build a parking structure on a horizontal plane I'll start storing cargo on a vertical plane, right? So could one floor or several floors be open to the public and then the other floors be secured and be just cargo. But should there be an area that can be expandable that can allow for the charging or the rapid charging of vehicles within that parking structure? Yeah. Well we have a statute now that provides expertise that provides X percent of the parking stalls in a given public parking facility has to be charging stations. But you know if you look into the future on this look five years all of a sudden we have more than 5,000 we have 20,000 or 30,000 electric cars on the highway knock wood when I say this then we have to change the ratio don't we? So we have to go back to the legislature. But whatever you start thinking that way your system shouldn't go and fix it should be going in to be expanded. Gradually. In fact it could even be an algorithm. So we have 20,000 cars in the state that we need a disperse 30,000 we need that percentage. Now the owners of the parking lots also are able to put in charges to meet the needs of their customers. So you don't really have to go to the legislature for parking lot owners to say hey just for the record the level one charger is 120. I mean that's what everybody has. And so that takes longer but it does transfer power into the battery pack. And so that is one of the things that can be done and so it takes longer to charge your car your leaf or whatever if you want to it is contributing to your battery. Now having fast chargers of course you need to have that at a site and if you could have more of those I think that's really a good thing and getting the folks together to discuss all of these different aspects and to see the synergies and to get excited about the business opportunities or the vehicles or the infrastructure and the future that's why we're bringing folks together to have these panels at the Clean Energy Day in August August 28th August 28th August 28th August 28th That's the Clean Energy Day August 28th That was at the YWC in very good Line of UK and yet again Yeah, yeah, yeah Because there's so many details and there's so many good ideas that come when folks are sharing their concerns and their hopes and you know even joking around you can get a new perspective on it Okay Daryl on behalf of the Department of Transportation what would you want people to focus on this camera one they're all looking what's your message to them today about the subject Well I mean I think we all want to try to live Pono we all want to try to live green it's how do we get there and having that discussion like the Holy Clean Energy Day begins that discussion as a community for us to try to look at some of the pieces that we're looking at again every conversation we're having with people is bringing new ideas and new opportunities to our mind thinking about quick charges down at the the Harbors right what's good for my lands in my division is we're the bridge between Waikomilo and downtown so we have two opportunities to create these charging areas it's finding that balance between the speed and how fast you need to turn the parking stall Yeah Can you just put one more I know that that's your area because it all comes in through the Harbors Yeah that's an important part Yeah so for us our two busiest Harbors is Honolulu Harbour Kalei Law Harbour and as Maria knows our busiest Harbour where it relates to fuel is Kalei Law so that's the one we're going to be building a dedicated fuel pier whoever's out there that's looking at it that's interested in it you know they really do need to have that conversation with us or they will be left it's going to be built to accommodate the users that we have and most of those users have infrastructure that's already there Who should they contact? Contact me Okay Yeah That's Daryl Young Daryl Young Department of Transportation Yep Okay Maria now speaking in your capacity as the leader of the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum Transportation Working Group What message would you leave without public information? Great opportunity to come and hear and talk about all the transportation issues not just the fuels or even just the highways but also the land use plans and what the counties are doing and here from the Department of Health on the greenhouse gas aspect of things you know so we're bringing change from you know one month to the next and a lot has been happening but also what is the vision for the future what is the vision for 5, 10, 20 50 years from now because what we build today is going to be in use and if we go in one direction then when we look back we'll say hey you know either we're really glad we knew that or we did that or we worked together or gee we missed an opportunity so this is a place to be August 28 so very interested very important discussion coming together rubbing shoulders rubbing ideas okay Sharon you are the co-host it's now your duty to close the show say something profound I think transportation and energy comes together and really Daryl knows transportation is the heart of the economy and if you can't move people in goods coming in from the harbors going on our highways really we're stuck and we want to get unstuck and we want to look to the future and clean energy day is where it starts and the department of transportation also has a sustainable transportation forum that will take what comes out of the clean energy day and hopefully take it forward on all fronts so be there or be square okay that's Sharon Moriwaki co-chair of the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum Maria Tomay the chair of the working group on transportation Hawaii Energy Policy Forum among other things Daryl Young deputy director of the department state department of transportation all of you guys completely invested in transportation I know this thank you so much thank you thank you Aloha