 I've already done, I've already done one this morning, I've already done a 10 minute this morning. Yeah, hey, I need more than that. I sure hope so, yep, just as an aside to those who are in the audience, this is marvellous because this morning I did a 10 minute session and the New Zealanders followed. This time the New Zealanders leave and I started a session. So very, very important part of the Oceana grouping, the relationship between the two, between, I'm getting free time on this, yeah. The relationship between the Australian and New Zealand projects is extraordinarily important, but I'm sure they've got better things to do. I can use the clicker, oh excellent, it's not in chronological order, are you still resetting or something? But I haven't started yet officially, yeah? I'm assuming the tech issues are resolved on the timer, it's resolved is it? Okay, alright, this afternoon I'm doing a talk on the role of meetups in the evolution of WikiClubs, chaplers and localised groups, using an example of a group from Perth in Western Australia. The problem with understanding aspects of Wikipedia which are not necessarily seen as a subject is something like the role of the meetup, there is a specific page on English Wikipedia about meetups and it's quite large and there is a category called Wikimedia Meetups in Australia and they've gone for quite a considerable time and what happened in the early days in Australia is between 2005 and 2006, 2007 and 2008 before the evolution of Wikimedia Australia there were various meetups in various states to try to get organised. One of the really important things about meetups in general is that the visit of a significant or notable person from elsewhere usually is something to bring people out to actually have a look at what's happening. So I showed this picture to Jimmy Wales last night and I think he could hardly recognise himself from how far back behind him. So we have Jimmy here and there's a person in the audience here who's also in this photo. We go back a bit. The actual thing to do with Western Australia, it's almost as though there's a need for literacy about regions or areas that relate to projects. It's quite often that Australians are challenged about their Asia literacy. There are many Australians who have a very poor Asia literacy, they wouldn't be able to have a tour of the countries in Southeast Asia or East Asia for instance. In Australia there can be even a relative low-level literacy about, and I'm sorry I'm not bringing up a map to show you on this one, where Western Australia is or its context within Australia. However what happened when Jimmy Wales came in April 2007 is we had that number of people turn up of the people who stand there, maybe two or three, all these years later are still involved with the organisation. Also another problem for anybody looking on the internet or inside Wikipedia itself is that there are a number of terms used for the different groups. So currently we're calling the West Australian branch of the Wikimedia Australia chapter, we're calling it Wiki Club West, but it has been found as at some stages Wikimedia Australia, some people slip into Wikimedia Australia and a whole variation of those sorts of things. Some of the most important things in events which have affected the way that the local editors and people interested have been things like this meeting in April 2007 and we had our own little meet-up, I can click, sorry, we'll eventually get there. So in February 2007 that was the first West Australian meet-up. So what happens is that the focus is in Perth at the State Library of Western Australia, again there are a couple of us there who are involved and others who have just moved on. Beyond just regular meet-ups there have been other sub-projects to the West Australian project which the detail is not here but if there's a written version of this presentation which is more thorough in time, it will explain the importance of, oh wrong direction, can I go back, ah right, we go back to 2012 is it, get in, okay. So what happened is one of the important people in the Australian project at that time was Craig Franklin, the person on the right. He has since passed away and Wikimedia Australia even has a prize in his name, in his memory. So the launching of Freopedia, the launching of 2Jpedia and also Nungopedia, all of these have elicited its strong interest in the group. It doesn't necessarily mean editor retention or editor content increase, it just, it raises the awareness. It is extraordinarily difficult at times to put a metric because in actual fact there are not necessarily articles. In most cases there are more photos that happen. Also in Perth, we've had visits from anybody who's familiar with Foundation staff. The third person from the right is Leela, who works at the Foundation. The man holding the sign there is in the audience, Prue's been wandering around and the man second from the left has just completely stuffed up my categorisation on English Wikipedia for meet-ups, but that is, it's always very important that a branch or a group has a person who's a stickler for the rules and he's completely stuffed it up for me literally in the last hour. Whereas I said Craig Franklin had passed away, the fourth person from the left, Lisa Summers who is an archivist in Western Australia, she unfortunately has since passed away. Because he left the room, I said I'll talk about him. Andy Mabbott came into Western Australia in 2016 and 2018, he's not in this photo. And he, his visit and the travels and the interest and the public interest increased the knowledge of Wikimedia Australia and Wikipedia and as a consequence it didn't necessarily mean increase in edits or articles, but it raised awareness and so one of the really, really important things about local groups anywhere in Australia, it doesn't matter how regular they meet or what they do, in most cases they will increase people's knowledge or understanding. When we revert to regular meetings, we usually get about a table like this or I just mentioned Lisa Summers who we saw there on, we do, we do have the opportunity where people see an advantage as a conference at the same time and as a consequence will be people who we haven't seen before and in some cases we may never see again. One of the really important things to do with the internal structure of content in West Australian articles is things that actually go well beyond our physical domain of Western Australia. What happens is that we've got an editor who created an assessment tool for assessment on talk pages so that is now standard through the whole of English Wikipedia and it is really important for people who like to have tidy assessment. Also another aspect of the project and unfortunately I don't think that was our, that was the birthday of Wikidata birthday and we've got the queue codes on the chocolate cake. Meetups are always very important, that's social, most of the meetings we've had in the last 15 years have been social rather than task assigned and some people sometimes think that is an important component of how the project exists. Another aspect of the internal technical issues similar to the assessment, the data assessment has also been the incorporation of open street map information relevant to Western Australia in the English Wikipedia, in commas and in Wikidata because the earlier stages of the project we would have maps that were rendered in such a way that you almost wondered whether the map was of Australia or Southeast Asia rather than locality. We're very, very fortunate to have members of the community who make considerable time to improve OSM in infoboxes. So the actual advertising and abstract was talking about to have an overview from the issues arising from the long-term experience of an editing community and the challenges that are involved. Well I've just mentioned one, somebody has just rearranged articles for me back in Perth, literally at this moment, some of the challenges. Some of the challenges are finding ways of interesting people to come along to meetings. Sometimes we've done things like go for a boat trip around Fremantle Harbour for a different way of looking at the harbour itself. We've had a whole range of wiki takes events that I cannot possibly annotate or give you an idea from here. And there have been some processes where groups will attempt to communicate with some of us as individuals or we communicate with outside organisations. Some of these interactions work and sometimes we're just left sitting waiting. So regular meetups since 2007, we consider that we probably have had the longest regular set of social meetups of any Australian community meeting as recorded on the English Wikipedia and being the largest sub-national estate in the world possibly as I make the assertion. We are very, very fortunate that we have dedicated long-term and really careful editors who make the larger project just that closer to being ready for people to take up the keyboard after us. We've set out a particular project in such a way that if we had people to follow on from us they've got a very, very solid foundation to work on. As I get closer to the end of what I figured is just a very, it's beginning to feel like the 10 minutes I had this morning. There's only so much that I can offer. So we go back to February 2007. We've gone a long way. So similar to my 10 minutes this morning where I said when I went to the 2013 Wikimania and I've come to this Wikimania and thankfully people have allowed me to speak this time around. The changes are such that the potential for people to carry on in this particular geographic or political region of Western Australia is such that I feel as though those of us who are still around and those of us who have been and gone I'm extraordinarily grateful to all of them even the ones who have been blocked universally or blocked locally or whatever. It doesn't matter if they've had bad behaviour. In a lot of cases almost all the contributors to the West Australian project are people who I am very, very grateful for that they've had the time and the energy even if they did go wrong at some point. The point was that they've been around, they've contributed, it's been extraordinarily positive. I've hardly covered any of the larger as I was writing in my preparation. The listing is by no means complete what I've been talking about and it doesn't provide a comprehensive narrative of how Wikiclub West fits into the larger Wikimedia Australia events or for that matter even worldwide events. But we have turned up at Wikidata birthdays. We have contributed to various projects. I do have some pamphlets with the detail about Wikiclub West. I would personally like to thank at least without naming them at least four of the audience today for their support and their help in the process of seeing us go from that original meeting right through to now. And I have every confidence that we don't need another visit like we got from going the wrong way again. I don't think. Oh, and another person I forgot to mention, apart from Andy Mabbitt's Wikidata tours, when Leela came and had her meeting, we had an opportunity to rethink things. So that was Leela there. And we've lost Leela, unfortunately. And we've had people from over East who have come to see what we've been up to. And we've had we've regretted we've lost members of the Wikimedia Australia community. And we go back to when Jimmy came in April 2007. I these opinions that I've offered in no way reflect the actual group, all the parent body of Wikimedia Australia. It's just a personal anecdotal attempt at trying to think of some of the issues. Well, even less the issues, just more a very, very brief idea that there is a group that started in 2007 and it's still going. And despite everything that might have happened, we still there's still a lot of positivity. And there's still a lot of really amazing things happening. The whole thing of the dynamics of how would you put it? The dynamics of the different groups and individuals who are in the different places of Australia is something which is a totally separate subject and I haven't been able to get into now. Again, I'd really like to thank the people who are present who have been involved with the evolution of this particular section of the Wikimedia Australia movement in general. I should pay respects to the Wadjok Nunga people whose land this meeting was held on because their importance is very great for how we understand the landscape and the people who preceded us. And as I said this morning, I was here just as setting up and the New Zealanders all came in. And then when I came in here, the New Zealanders all left. I hope they realise how important they are as well, even if they're not here. The New Zealand Australian Corporation, I think is extraordinarily important. I'd also like to thank Wikimedia Australia for supporting me and also the local group that I belong to to put up with me as being a nuisance in relation to things. And I think I'll be getting on to Commons and English Wikipedia to try to sort out a few issues. It's always good to have somebody on the home front who's actually causing a few more problems. But grateful for them all. Thank you very much. And thank you for the tech people. I'm sorry I bothered you about the time issues. That is, I don't know if there's any need for any questions at this point, but it looks like I've got two minutes to go. Well, thank you. I do have our part of our publicity. If anybody wanted to see what we've been up to or how to contact us. Thank you. And thank you very much.