 And we are live I'm Anthony Johnson founder 21 studios in the 21 convention hosting today is red man group on 21 live and 21 studios YouTube channel We are also live on the red man group on Twitter and 21 convention on Twitter as well It should be today joining me. I have Donovan Donovan sharp from sharp reality Rolla Tomasi from the rational mail and Texas Dom from Texas Dom.com Thanks for joining me gents. How's it going? Going good Oh another Saturday for episode 23. I believe this is yeah, yeah, we're a little short staff today We got riches in Mexico right now. I think what Ryan is at some wedding or something And I think Carl from black label logic is doing something else too. I can't Yeah, I'll be trying to talk the groom out of getting married. Yeah Last time I went to a wedding actually I gave the rational male book one with a 50 in it and a note And I fucked the bridesmaids best friend. Yes It was a long romance it was a 10-year romance, so Wow I Also wanted to announce guys that we have 37 tickets left to the 21 convention out of 175 this year Here we go. You're absolutely killing it. We keep selling them all the time people just don't stop and that's fucking awesome If you want them you want to meet speakers like myself Rollo Donovan. You'll meet Texas Dom there all kinds of guys Go to the 21 convention org that's or a gene Or you can visit speakers websites including Donovan and rollo and you can take it that way too Tickets will sell out probably in the next four or five weeks something like that. So get them down Good amazingly well, too And I think you should probably also say that it's at a different venue this year It's a much larger venue to and it's still in Orlando, but just in a different place than it was last time I know how important that is because a lot of people want to know who was you know They're gonna they have to put a lot of planning into it, you know I mean you got a you got a basically, you know block out time for your for your vacations and Everything and and we know that I think pretty much everybody on staff and everybody who is speaking Everyone I know really wants to put out their best and get put their best work out there So I mean it's we understand the sacrifice that people make to do this I'm like totally stoked that that we have so many people this year. Yeah, it's awesome I've never it's never been this big so that's awesome And I agree to do role as a serious investment It takes minimum four or five days out of your life and the money to come by ticket by flight usually Right, we have some guys from Florida that drive in but mostly it's people flying in from Canada America, Australia We even have a guy from New Zealand that bought through I think the roller or through Hunter. I'm not sure I'm always you know, it's like last year and this was just kind of a joke But now I have to actually do this Like when I'm flying from like Reno to Vegas or Reno to Phoenix and the Phoenix out to to Orlando I'm always trying to post some pictures on Twitter and say, okay. I'm here. I'm here now I'm looking around see if anybody else is like on my flight to go out To go out and I actually ran into two guys from the Phoenix to from Phoenix to No, it's Vegas to yeah Orlando. That's great. Yeah, the Reno to Vegas and quickest quickest flight you'll ever take dude. It's like you take off and then 20 minutes later All right, we're gonna start our descent Yeah, well too much in the venue the venue that's yours twice the size and it's a bit nicer And it's quite a bit more awesome. We actually have a free happy hour every night. Everybody gets to go to You know, right on. Oh, there we go. Oh, listen, listen use less than seven tickets just sold out. Yeah So what what are what are we up to right now as far as ticket sales? I remember maybe like in a hundred We're over a hundred now, okay over a hundred forty at this point. Oh gosh, and no troll. We're not gonna tell you where Yeah, so, you know, we'll go ahead and tell everybody. It's it's a Disney world. Okay. Yeah Exactly. Yeah, the rep killed Mickey Mouse I Attendee is that it's told I finally the day I told the attendees where the events at the actual venue And that was like the number one request obviously people were bugging for weeks on that But then I told them like absolutely keep it secret from anyone who's not secure and attendee because the security and privacy Yeah, because people are fucking crazy like I'm bringing a bulletproof vest this year It's unnecessary probably not but I'd rather fucking have it because people are crazy Yeah, rather have it not needed the needed not have it Exactly And what security and stuff again this year and all that so it's it's never been a problem But it's always like, you know when I met Roush actually he was very surprised I was able to hold these events again and again and again and again without problems Oh, dude. Yeah, Roush always runs into he runs into the fucking crazies man Well, Roush brings that on itself, too. So yeah, it's like he I honestly a lot of the stuff that I see Roush do I think it's done with the intent of increasing his notoriety or increasing some sort of Well, the thing I the thing I I take issue with is like you're in danger You know, if you're gonna endanger your own life, okay But if you're gonna danger the lives of other people just because you're getting together I mean this day and age if you just wear a maga hat, you're gonna get your ass kicked So you find out your red pill somewhere They're gonna go and beat your ass in a Starbucks because you decided to get there You know with a couple of guys to talk about red pill topics I Wish somebody would a cost me at our fucking venue like I'm putting it out there Swear you got man like I'm like like like these these motherfuckers out here all they do is talk shit All they do is talk shit and they put out these death threats Never take and listen if somebody puts a hole in me while I'm on stage Then that'll be the that'll be the first and the last time right I wouldn't worry about it too much. Yeah, I'm believe I encourage all the attendees to carry firearm if they can lawfully and most of them can Yeah, totally Never gonna get to Ivan anyway. Come on. We have our own program Somebody pulled my card the chat he says don't even has a kick anybody's ass in ages He has the itch listen I have not been in a physical altercation in like two years and like 450 something. Yeah, it's almost like it's a bright like I have to go over this with my With my anger management therapist, man, but dude, I wish I did I wish somebody would just With the cameras rolling But you know, I mean, I'm always Totally kidding guys. I'm I'm well, it's Donovan's like I wish a nigga would come and hit me That's I'm serious man, but but these people like like these people Normally liberals, you know people who oppose the red pill etc. They and we see it all the time with these feminists and oh, we're gonna threaten this and threaten that nothing has ever happened ever ever So I'm not I'm not worried about it. Well, you still bandit people though like Jack Murphy. Yeah, that's that's what I Yeah, Jack Murphy's gonna be there. So that's you know, we're still gonna we're gonna draw an element And I would say that if there's gonna be some sort of incident it might be this one Yeah, last year wasn't so I mean we had somebody pull the fire alarm last year. That was it That was the extent of the thing. Yeah, somebody pulled fire alarm. Yeah, I'm not the thing. He's sitting nobody knows made for a good photo Yeah, you know, you can talk about the craziness and whatnot. Let's uh, so what are we doing today? Let's let's uh, let's do the round table here Yeah, let's do it. I already did my thing. We're just on tickets like crazy. That's keeping me super busy Donovan what do you got going on? Oh shade dude Jackson. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna reprise the The brother pill podcast and it's it's basically it is literally red pill for black men But we get up to all kinds of fuck remand. We get trolls calling us all the time We have different and it's funny man. We have people Because O'Shea is based in poland and so he gets people from Nigeria calling in we get people who sort of kind of have characters It's it's it's it's it's a lot of fun. It's a great time You know people, you know, we we we roast each other this and that and the other and It's going to be great things are going great on donovan sharp.com I'm going to be having a limitable man on my show here within the next week or so Also going to be reaching out to a few other people and I am currently in the works is the donovan sharp mobile app That's going to be available for iphone or it's ios Android, uh, I don't know why they're including they included blackberry for free I mean, I'm you know, no nice for out, you know, obvious reasons But yeah, it's going to be great. You're going to be able to do all kinds of cool features You can watch the you can watch my show on the mobile app So yeah, yeah, I'm trying to try to try to go legit trying to go legit trying to get my name out there So that's that's what I've been up to They dropped me a line to my face sometime. I'm very seriously considering the convention in poland next year So I'm very good. Yes. That's exactly right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, because that's where he's at I certainly will man certainly will Well speaking of all things polish right now I've got a polish translation of the first book that's coming out and we actually have plans to do The other two as well Hopefully they will be out in about mid august for that translation I'm working with some guys who are specifically polish translators and they really want to see it take off You know the red pill Community take off in poland and I think probably that's the one country We would do really really well in um I also There's a lot of people if you've been following my twitter feed. I have had a little bit of an incident with with amazon Nothing really serious or nothing really big, but I oddly enough I had the kindle version of my second book pulled from kindle The physical one was fine. Everything was fine But there I got some notice about how there was some like grammatical errors or some syntax errors Or some formatting errors in the In the book and I well, yeah, that's always well. Yeah exactly I mean usually I mean the book had been for sale since march of 2015 And now is the time that they're, you know, suddenly, you know The grammar police And like let's let's not dance. Well, I mean, yeah, let's not dance around it I mean somebody reports you it gives to give you shit and so somebody was decided that they wanted to To give me shit. So basically it took me about a week to sort the whole thing out I I took care of it myself I think a lot of people don't know that uh the the The kindle versions of my books I usually farm that out like when I'm writing I'm writing and all I'm doing is just, you know Covering content and doing what I want and then later on I'll go and I'll format the physical books Like the the print versions of the books because I'm a I'm a designer by trade So I go and do that and um and then usually while I'm doing that I farm out the uh the formatting for the kindle version So that I can launch both of them at the same time And uh, and so, you know, I go through it and I you know, I I check it out and if it looks good to me on my screen It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to look good on everybody's reader. So if you've got like the old kindle style readers I mean, there's there's a lot to to be said about that I'm trying to be a little bit more professional when it comes to my my ebooks because I realize that a lot of people Don't even do print books anymore. They just do ebooks now And I'm never going to do that because I think it's very important to have print books Particularly for what I write So anyways, it took me about a week to figure it out and I I got no play from uh from uh kindle direct publishing Which is kdp and uh, I had a little bit of back and forth That assured me it was going to be ready by sunday or that they were going to go through the approval process And I I thought maybe something was getting hung up because of the content of the book like maybe some sjw at amazon and their proofreading decided they didn't want to see the red pill or you know Which called uh the The rachel mail, you know in print or whatever But that wasn't the case. It was just a file format error And so we figured it out and it's now back up. So uh, just dealing with that was sort of It was very frustrating, but I'm glad that we we took the time to do it and now as a consequence I actually have a better product. Yeah, this is like yeah threw it out there They tried to piss you off now. You got a better product Yeah Well, the funny thing is is that I see a spike in sales because of that So these people are trying to give me shit suddenly. Well, thank you very much for you know Actually kicking me in my ass to give you a better product. So there you go. You got a better product now We're gonna call that the golden approach now. Yeah Yeah The other thing I before I get started at all I think I posted this also on my twitter. Um, I just got this I'm looking at it right here I just got this beautiful hardwood stand and it's by this new startup called understands and they have I I paid for this I I'm not getting kickbacks, but when I see somebody doing a really good job, particularly like they're entrepreneurs and they're Stardust startup. I like to catch people doing good things and these guys do good work They've got this really fantastic stand. You can find them at understands Dot com and just how it sounds understands dot com and it's mostly stuff for like, you know, like computer monitors You have an iMac. They have that kind of stuff there too But the guy the guy was uh, his name is andy griffith or yeah griffin andy griffin and he uh He and I kind of started this little relationship. I guess over Over the internet or the you know emailing and he was very attentive and they were really great customer service And so I just wanted to give them props because I like to you know Like I said catch people doing good instead of catching people doing bad all the time So I got it pulled up for the whole stream right now. I think and it's it's great I spent a lot of time in the studio and it's really nice to see some you know some quality stuff It's not this, you know, walmart particle board. Shit. It's like really good stuff So I just wanted to make sure that you know, I'm catching this guy doing some good shit Uh, and I love this stuff and uh, if you are in the market for anything like that I would definitely suggest them. You know, one of the things we're going to talk about today was success porn But one of the things that comes to mind for me in the opposite is like good quality products exactly you're talking about Right and good quality in good quality service too. I think service is really something that is a lost art today uh So, uh, I did that and then uh, the last thing I had on my list here was uh, the new york times article about the Low sperm counts for men. I think I Probably I'll explain a little bit of that later on in the show But uh, I essentially probably about a month ago. I had this uh, this chick from The new york times call me up and as soon as I got, you know, I'm working for the new york times But really I'm okay, you know And I'm like, all right So but she sounded like she was at least somewhat savvy to the to the manusphere And she really just wanted to get my take on and uh What I thought was going on in the manusphere with regard to low sperm counts Because there's been all this study about how sperm counts amongst men today since they've been, you know, doing these studies or these surveys Men's sperm count is like crazy low right now And it's lower than it's ever been in like, I think 30 years or 40 years And I see this a lot. I see a lot of guys talking about like xenoestrogens All the guys who are very into uh, testosterone replacement therapy We'll make a mention of it. Um, in fact, I tried to to redirect her a little bit more towards the guys who are talking about Testosterone replacement therapy and I think she's going to actually write another story on that but Once she put the story out, it seems like the delivery of the story, which is a very serious topic. I think She was telling me that was her editor and it was her art director and everyone who was doing this stuff They made it look like guys were just crying over this and they're they're making it look like men are these big, you know whiny babies about their their Their sperm counts But yet then you read the article and it's this very serious article So i'm inclined to believe her about that because she didn't have any I mean, she does have to work for an editor and the editors at the new york times are in no way Friends of the red pill or the manusphere for that matter And so I really was kind of disappointed in it because it was like even the title She ended up changing the title. It went from being like this panic amongst men to being this embracing lower sperm count And uh, I just wanted to if you haven't seen that you can go check my twitter feed There's a link to it there, but and you want to I really thought it was I really I was very disappointed in the delivery I thought it was really sucked the way that they did. Let's get more into the new york times article before we do that Let's get text and yeah, yeah, he's got going on. Yeah. No, it's like i've been uh working Quite a bit 107 degrees in austin this week. So it's uh, it's been a bitch Between that and uh, I build guitar amps on the side. It's kind of fun And then of course this time of year we've got uh rental houses with the college students moving in and out So it's so it's money-making season right now, but uh, mostly fraternity of excellence is where I've been hanging out lately I haven't written a blog post in a little while just I don't write them until I get inspired to write one And uh, but hanging out with the men over there at the fraternity A lot of good things in the fact. I think like seven or eight of us at the fraternity are going to be in orlando for 21 I believe it. Yeah. Yeah honors had a lot of men's Yeah, we're gonna take the place by force There you go. Listen, you want to know how they know men have uh lower sperm counts than they've had in 30 Some odd years is because a lot of dudes are out there jerking off. So it's it's easy to collect those samples Hey, let me say this too. Texas has been giving me great text advice for tying women up with ropes That's been nice lately. Hey, man, you gotta you know, we still gotta know they're not come on Texas Texas got my back late at night. No, no on a friday. He's a good dude Uh, so the new york times article. Yeah, I read that and of course they villainized, uh, rollo and ruche right at the top immediately Well, I thought it was really funny that yeah, ruche has basically told her to go pound salt Which I I I understand why he would do that because he's not getting paid for it And neither did I and people are saying I can see people in chat saying I don't take the bait rollo Well, I I wasn't actually taking him on dr. Oz man like yeah That's why I was gonna say it's like he's happy to go on dr. Oz where he knows He's going to be vilified and he knows he's going to play The villain on that whole thing. He knows that he's gonna be pilloried. I mean that was like three years ago So I can't really get that was back in 15 in the website But you know damn well that I mean because he I think Before that show like about like six or eight months before that show he'd written a blog post talking about how Dr. Oz was full of shit and how his wife ran the show for him And it makes me wonder what the connection between ruche and dr. Oz was at that at that time But I mean that's neither here nor that I mean like I said, this water in the bridge right now But like I thought it was really funny that he just basically told her to go to hell but But so I I understand that I've I've written I wrote a post call a long time ago called it's their game and I've always been of the opinion that If you're going to be an outraged broker Then that's the game that you have to play and you have to understand what their You know their intent is never to make you look good obviously And so I was trying to be as as straightforward and as informational as I possibly could be But even in in the light of that as as as you know As straightforward as I as I could be they still you know paint it as if guys are out there crying over their their jizz, you know Relitimacy evil red pill guru. Yeah, you know what listen man. Let him know. Is it really true that you're like this evil red pill guru? Yeah, absolutely. That's me Well, I think I think it was interesting because like I told her afterwards like she hit me up And she's like, were you disappointed in the article? And I you know, she actually hit me up in a in a private, you know DM afterwards and I was like Yeah, I was I was upset with that. I think it's crazy And I think it's it's pretty telling that the fact that you went and retitled the article After I said something it means it to me like that's what you had thought about doing all along And it's so you're just making the man of spirit and you're linking these guys look like they're This infantile bunch of guys who are just jerking off all the time and they're crying over there crying over their sperm count I mean if you saw the video that the lead in video there where the guys are like crying and everything And it's like, you know that some some I think it was some chick who was the art director for the new york times Decided she was going to go put together something to to you know Take a dig at the guys in the atmosphere and it's like then on top of that I'm reading all this stuff on there from these biotech firms that are talking about freezing sperm for guys and I think it's really interesting that when a woman wants to you know freeze her her eggs Uh, because she can't find mr. Right and they're finally starting to uh to admit to the fact that it's not about careerism It's that these women cannot find an appropriate husband an appropriate father, you know by their standards Nobody wants to fuck up Here's the other thing is like if you go to like some of these top Fortune 500 companies like I think facebook is one of them as a benefit packet part of the benefit package for these You know higher management positions for women. They offer freezing your eggs is something that the company will pay for Are you serious? Yes, and they and I think Yeah, and the the thing is is like they they make that a big deal like that's a positive That's a net positive But if guys go and they want to freeze their sperm Oh, it's these whiny babies and they can't you know, they're crying over their jizz and it's like that is I don't think I could find a better uh Better narrative shift between those two I mean when a woman I would have presumed this is how it works if a woman goes to a sperm bank And she's looking for sperm to impregnate herself so she can be a single mother Don't they have to freeze that guy's sperm to make sure that they've got it on hand so she can be inseminated I don't know they might have they might have that they might have that's that's a net positive But if a guy wants to freeze his sperm then that's yeah, and I don't like who's gonna do that Who's what I don't know any dude who is going to say you know what I really better freeze my sperm Well, I've never met a guy No, never listen Yes, man, I'm getting rich for sport fucking at this point. I'm done Well, here's the thing Freeze their sperm But a lot of professional athletes are now freezing their sperm because a lot of these women out here Are checking for these professional athletes trying to be a baby mama And get a lottery ticket like a lot of guys a lot of professional athletes You guys should go to the player's tribune Founded and run by Derek Jeter ESPN also has a segment called athlete or player X Where where athletes go on the record, but they don't reveal their identity and they talk about some real shit Like trades being happened because two players are fucking the same bitch or trades happening because one dude thought He was the baby daddy and it turned out to be somebody on the defensive end rather than like the offensive line Like real type shit. Oh, yeah, listen these hose ain't loyal man Not even a pro athlete so a lot of pro athletes are freezing their sperm They can philander and fuck around them when they're ready to settle down. They can they can do what they gotta do They get the frozen and then they get snipped or what? That seems like a good idea. I mean when you think about like the logistics of that, that's actually not a bad idea I think that was one of the other one of the other points that I made About the article is that if a guy is going to go and freezes sperm What's to say that that guy's sperm could not be stolen or sold on a black market for like, you know Like say, hey, I've got huge ackman sperm here. If you want to impregnate yourself with his kid Life you would not want. Yeah Well, I mean, let's just say it's like it's a It's a celebrity or it's a sport, you know an athlete something like that, right? You I'm just like throwing this out. There's a hypothetical situation. It's like, what if that guy's sperm Gets out of their hands and gets into the hands of some woman if she gives birth to that kid Is that guy now on the hook for you know, 18 years of child support, right? I don't know. Maybe that's a little far too fast. It probably is a little far fetched. No Listen, it's not because here's the thing right because What the court system is going to ask. Okay. Well, you have the kid The athlete is going to say well, I never fucked her. Well, obviously you did because she has your you know She has your kid. How else how else did this happen? What did she go to the sperm bank and steal your sperm? Ha ha ha ha and the athlete's like, yeah That's actually what happened. Do you think they're going to believe that guy? Nope. They're going to I forget which year it was I think it might have been like 2005 But the nba had put out this warning to all the players who are on like their travel schedules It's like to say that if they were getting it at getting after it with like some of these Checks on the road that if they once they got off they were supposed to take that Condom and flush the condom right because they had so many Women who are just basically scooping the shit up and impregnating themselves in the hope that they were going to have Will chamberlain's baby, you know, well, whoever's baby Will chamberlain wasn't using rubbers back then. Yeah back in the day But that I mean it's it was so it was so endemic that they had to issue a warning to the players for that Well, it's a good thing women are the most empathetic sex and uh, they would never do that, you know would never That was that good. Well, anyways that so that was that's the new york times article I just wanted to briefly touch on that I I might talk to her about testosterone replacement therapy Or I might point her in the right direction and see if she wants to because she was really interested in trt Once I had said, you know, it You know Low sperm count isn't as big a deal in the monastery as trt is right now And so I think that'll probably be the next thing that she does and so i'm gonna point I'm gonna i'm gonna point her in the direction of uh like Jake amble and whoever else I can think of I'll tell you what I know men in their 20s right now that are on trt because they're cast for solo cast for like 250 300 Oh my god 25 Let me let me and let me throw this out there because maybe uh, maybe donovan knows the answer to this question Because like illimitable man said that trt has nothing to do with with sperm count Yes, that correct that there's there's no connection between the two of them And I I think guys are really more interested in their Their testosterone count their t count than they are in low sperm because what can you you can't do anything about that? If this plat there's micro plastics or if it's soy or if it's You know, and I tried to tell I tried to explain this to her to that I said, you know what soy it's not like that many people think that soy is like making this happen But it's it's easy as kind of like an insult to say, you know, this guy's got low t because he's So I said that's just the the the meme it's an internet meme But she's they they you know take that and run with it as if it's in all seriousness Well, let me go ahead and set the record straight here when you're on testosterone replacement therapy It does lower your it doesn't heighten your sperm count It certainly lowers it because when you're injecting synthetic testosterone into your body your body is saying, okay, I'm at 854 nanograms per deciliter or whatever the fuck I was last time My balls or my nuts are telling me, okay I don't have to produce sperm for done of it anymore because we've got plenty of testosterone in the system Um, a lot of a lot of professional athletes what they'll do when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar I think it was don't quote me on this. It might have been yoannis cespidus or it was another latin ball player Nelson cruise that's who it was. He says well the reason why I tested so high for testosterone is because I was taking fertility drugs Well, that still made him guilty because what you take when you come off of When you come off of a of a testosterone cycle A heavy testosterone cycle for performance enhancing purposes or whatever the case may be you take something You take a fertility drug called clomid right clomid. That's exactly right And that that and get your nuts working so that increases your testosterone I don't know if it increases the sperm count, but your balls definitely You know definitely feel it so so yeah there listen I do it I could talk trt forever because I mean I'm almost five years into it now But shit and I'll I'll point her in your direction then too because maybe you can I mean know what you're dealing with But like say hey look I'll talk to you if you keep this, you know positive And I'm gonna tell her what I'm gonna tell her what rooster. Uh, listen sweetheart Listen, I'll tell you what write your little story. But if you want somebody to talk to me He's got a p standing up. Goodbye trt will fix a lot of blue pill shit. Yes, it will We're about six or seven years now and I swear by it did change my absolutely changed my life Well, yep I've never had my t counts checked and I've I've I've never really even thought to do that I mean I just turned 50 this year or so Well, maybe I should go check it out. He doesn't need that shit Well, you know my t you know people always ask me are you on trt and I go Yeah, every tuesday and every saturday when I'm in the squat rack. There you go That's a good answer. I love it Listen about to uh some of today's other topics. All right We're gonna talk a little bit about success porn and the purple pill And rsd's fantastic new product get me a girlfriend. Yes, you too. I can't wait Yes, it's mark. Let's sell the blue pill. Let's let's sell blue pill idealism to poor chump. Yeah Let me pull this up for our viewers. I'm gonna pull up the uh the product marketing that to marriage men Get my girlfriend Now that would be red pill if you're marketing get me a girlfriend.com to marry men. That would be that would be red pill because I want to see this Yeah, so I have the uh for the viewers I have a pull up you guys, uh, I don't know if you could see it Oh, fuck it's high. We were on the minimum 297 you get the premium premium of 4.97 the plight number 6.97 and the diamond for 1100 bucks basically Let's get me a girlfriend. It's the blue pill turned into an informational product You get all kinds of cheap bonuses that cost them nothing It looks like some shitty marketer went over this for them and did everything by the book And it'll probably sell a lot the guys that don't know any better Rollo, what's your take on get me a girlfriend? Well, I would see this Well, I was gonna say I'm I'm always a little wary of this particularly with max these days because max is really kind of Jumped the shark in my opinion. Um, I think a lot of the stuff that he's doing right now is this kind of Woo Woo magic new agey kind of stuff and it's really interesting to see this shift from rsd From putting out some you know in their in their past I'd say right up until about 2014 2015. They really did a lot of good stuff when it came to learning game And so I don't want to I'm not gonna badmouth them in it, you know about that that kind of stuff But then right around 2015 I noticed that uh, oh and well tyler whatever uh, and Papa and the rest of these guys decided to make this shift over towards this power of positive thinking mantra And so now it's more about you know, let's let's jump up and down and let's let's uh have a raw raw pep rally and it's really just to to sort of amp you up and I really I mean shit even um, even oan has been quoting Um, uh, tony robbins recently and I think that what they're doing is they're sort of seeing this tony robbins marketing Plan and they're trying to apply it to uh, the the consumer base or the audience of rsd Which is real social dynamics for people who don't know that real social dynamics is a group of guys Who have well, I guess it's really more was it papa and and oan and I think another guy um, are very uh There's oan was the guy who was in he went by tyler durden in the game and so he kind of has that as his claim to fame and so And I thought I don't like the guy I like oan well enough I think he's I've talked with him before we've had email discussions and stuff Uh, but I really see these guys sort of making a bend towards this Uh, what we call success porn. Um, I I can't steal that. I forget who it was that that gave us that I'm gonna plagiarize it here. It's us. It's success porn is what it is And I think that a lot and not just I don't want to pick, you know, exclusively on rsd here, but um I see a lot of guys doing this right now, particularly in the purple pill set. I think definitely, um Well, certainly tony robbins would be one of those guys Well in a few months ago, we rented on twitter with love systems in kris shepherd Yeah, kris shepherd would be another guy, but it's it's they've kind of Angled away from the red pill to this You can hear here's my formula for success And here's how you can be a successful guy and here's the 12 steps to do that I see I would I would throw jordan peterson in there as well Well, the actual steps are i'm I'm gonna literally read this off the screen step one how to not end up with a shitty girlfriend Step two stop getting disrespected and get a model girlfriend Step three attract attract a 10 and make her stay with you forever And step four girlfriend game game her get her keep her. What was step one? Step one was how to not end up with a shitty girlfriend Oh, uh, probably don't buy their product would be uh, well, I think what I what I find really interesting about these guys is like If you look at I mean and I and again, I hate to hit on them too much But like you are any of these guys in a successful relationship are any of these guys Have any of these guys been married for 20 some odd years? I mean, I I'm the I'm the first one I I don't like To use my marriage as sort of a benchmark for what? People's success could be okay, because I'm not you you're not me my wife's not any girl that you're gonna ever see okay The individual is the individual is the individual and so when people say I've got this formula That's going to work for everybody anytime I see that I I think bullshit. I mean that sets off my bullshit meter right there Um, the other thing is like I you know It's funny because I have been called to the carpet so many times for writing what I do and writing the books that I have And they're saying well, you're married. How can you talk about that or how can you be about that? But yet these two guys, I mean even you know, I again, I hate to hit on ruche too But like ruche is like very much interested in having a long-term relationship I mean according to what I have seen him on his last You know his podcast his most recent live cast It seems like that is something he really wants, but I'm gonna catch shit for having a 22 year marriage You know and and I I explain my success in marriage is because I stick to these red pill principles because I am red pill aware because it's my reflexive response to think of things that Shit tests and all this other all the other stuff that comes up in a relationship And so when I hear these guys coming out with I'm gonna sell you this perfect blue pill relationship I think bullshit because That's not going to work for everybody. That's not going to work for a guy in you know, uh zimbabwe That's not going to work for a guy in the uk. That's not going to work for a guy in estonia it's not going to work for everybody all over the place, okay, and I really think that these guys are playing on this insecurity and we all we talk a lot about These lost boy generation. It's new generation of guys who are looking for like a guy like jordan peterson They're looking for a dad. They're looking for somebody to give them some kind of direction They're looking for somebody to give them that you know think positive and everything will go good for you kind of kind of message and so it's this you know power positive thinking zig ziggler tony robbins rsd Yeah, I like you there's I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of other examples that I'm missing right now But it has filtered its way into the red pill and it filtered its way into the manuscript right now I think that what if I'm if there's a message I want to give to guys in this particular podcast Is that be aware and watch out for this because this is what these guys are going to try to sell you And it's always going to and that's one of the reasons why rsd Constantly says read the read the rational mail and then forget about it or read the rational mail And just understand it's truthful anger and why do they say that because it's truth that contradicts Their marketing plan it contradicts that power of positive thinking because yeah, sometimes it can be Yeah, I mean sometimes that it contradicts that Well, they're gonna profit off of removing your anger. Who burnt you rolo and they'll they'll they'll so they'll take all the information and then You know what? I love it when people this is interesting I love when when guys and girls are like, who hurt you actually quite a few women hurt me Right, you put your hand on the fucking stove and it gets burned. You're not gonna put your hand on the fucking stove again And I think it's interesting people always disingenuously Point out your failures as to why what you're talking about now is wrong. So let me get this straight You're gonna go you're gonna you're gonna take the advice of someone who has never failed at anything in their lives At least of all relationships The the the guys who know what they're talking about are guys who have been in the trenches the guys who have the battle scars How do we know women are fucked up? How do we know how to handle women because we've been fucked over by women? So it's almost as though they're trying to use what what made us who we are They're trying to shame us. Well, if you didn't have the game in the first place, then you're a pathetic. No, you got it Listen, nobody goes nobody goes to the gym and squats 350 pounds the first day. No, it takes a few times failing It takes, you know crawling before you walk before you get to 350 pounds. That's how it works Here's another thing a lot of people like to say well the red pill is angry and this and that and the other Well, you want to know something a lot of it is a lot of guys are stuck in the anger phase There listen the anger phase is always The anger phase is always lurking in the back of my mind And I think it's important for guys to at least keep a little bit of that In the back of their minds because that's one of the many things that helps me keep my red pill edge But here's the thing just because it's angry doesn't mean it's wrong If you're on the stand and you are testifying and you're testifying against someone who is up for capital murder And they say well dot of it. Is it true that this guy fucked your wife? Is that why you're testifying? Well Yeah, well wouldn't wouldn't you say that you're here for revenge? Well, I don't know maybe well you have an axe to grind just because I have an axe to grind doesn't mean I'm lying Doesn't mean I'm not telling the truth Uh, I almost called you ruche, uh, roll out rola said something about a lot of guys um, you know asking um You guys are you said you think that ruche wants a long-term relationship Don't we all listen at the end of the day guys The reason why the red pill exists is because the dating market is a it's a cesspool of fucking sewage I don't and I say this all the time I don't want to be Donovan sharp I hate the fact that I've had to become this this this asshole totalitarian dictator and you can ask my girlfriend This is exactly who I am but you listen you gotta be this way Otherwise you get you get bent over and fucked in the ass. I don't listen the red pill shouldn't have had to exist But we're men we handle things differently than women We don't sit around and bitch and complain and expect the world to change force. No, we reach down We grab our we we grab our fucking y chromosome and we do what god or god created us to do and we find a fucking solution Enter the red pill. That's why the red pill exists because feminism exists Now we all want a long-term relationship because again and a lot of guys ask me They say donovan we see pictures of you with girls and you know Like we you know, we heard about your eight years in vegas like why did you give it all up? Because having because being in a long-term relationship of consequence with a woman that you kind of trust that you've kind of trained Well, it's a better life than going out and looking for strange every night. Listen. Don't get me wrong, man Stick in your dick and a girl for the for the first time There's not a rush out here like it and if it if it is or isn't influenced by cocaine Okay, you know that might make a little bit better or worse depending upon who you are But nothing nothing can replace the rush of fucking new girls There's no doubt about it But when it comes down to it man a lot of guys say, oh don't have you fucked this girl in that? Yeah, but I had to work to I worked too hard for it Like listen I can say all I want about turd fling and monkey one thing that I kind of agree with him on is the juice Isn't worth the squeeze at some point in my in my player life. The juice just wasn't worth the squeeze I was spending too much time too much money trying to fuck girls once maybe twice if I was lucky And then move on to the next girl when you have one woman when you don't have to worry about okay, you know And I'm not a guy who jerks off, right? So I gotta get laid It's just a better life. This environment does not allow for that As far as these guys at rsd are concerned They teach you how to get the girl, but they don't teach you how to really keep the girl And for those of you who aren't who are unwilling to spend what was it 497 dollars? Listen five bucks a month Patreon.com forward slash donovan sharp. I'll teach you how to get the girl I'll teach you to keep the girl and I'll teach you how to keep the girl in life And here's another thing. I think rola said something to the effect. Well You're not talking to guys who know what they're doing rola's been in a marriage for 20 some odd years You guys look at my social media pages My girl is in line. She does what the fuck I say how I say it, right? I like I like your stamp move donovan. I need to get one of those the stamp on the butt Oh, you like that I knew that was going to get a lot of pub But I'm I'm out here showing these guys like listen guys pay their hard earned money to listen to me flat my gums every night So it stands to reason that I should at least show them. Hey, I'm out here walking the walk I'm not just talking about staying in good shape. I am in good shape. That's what this comes down to I'm not going to tell you well, you got to go to the gym and keep in tip Well, how many times do you go to the gym donovan once a week? Maybe No, you got it. You got to be the genuine article So I want people to see that I'm living proof, but I'm going to end it with this I'm going to end it with this the reason why rsd has changed course on this Is because selling the blue pill mindset purple pill mindset is far more profitable than selling the red pill mindset Those guys are always going to outnumber us by 10 to 1 It is far easier to attract people with what's easy than to attract people with what's hard Well, I mean, who are they marketing to they're marketing to the cheat code generation Boom On their other nintendo's and all this kind of crap they wanted the easy way they want the magic pill They want to be able to you know to be able to you know get that life hack. There's no fucking life Shit you had to go to a bar you had to talk to girl you had to get turned down You had to figure out why you got turned down all that shit's on the internet now There's all this pickup army stuff. I mean that shit works if you read it go read it I mean it's why the hell pay $500 for someone that's you know, right And On the long-term marriage, I tell you what red pill awareness can can keep you married for a long I know a lot of guys say I got red pill and we got divorced and all that Well, you have a shit marriage to begin with, you know, you and you probably weren't working at it but at the end of the day, I mean What I know now helps me stay in frame helps me You know, just all the sidebar stuff on the red pill all the reading all that kind of stuff Be a better man in terms of managing my household Well, I was gonna say I like the way you put it to text that they're what the marketing is a magic pill It's like what kind of we're all set like the blue pill, but they're turning that into a magic pill Like here it is in a tight little pill. You can just buy it for 300 bucks Well, that's the thing is I and I've said this before when we're talking about the purple pill hacks all the time It's like and people think that I use purple pill as some sort of derogatory, you know statement I'm I'm calling it like I see it. Okay. If you want to turn it into a negative Go ahead. You want if you want you think it's an invective. Okay, fine But when I say purple pill what I mean is you're taking guys Who have red pill awareness? And who had to go through all that trauma to come to the red pill and to unplug from the matrix to begin with And to go through all of this, you know, a lot of like I said traumatic You know pain and hurt and maybe they have to go through that anger phase But then you got a guy that comes along and says, oh, you didn't need to do all that You can really have all of those blue pill ideals and you can have the perfect girlfriend And you can do all this great stuff That they you know, basically selling you this Oprah Winfrey Dr. Phil formula to you know, have a Open communication and all this great You know, or you can have date night and you can keep it fresh and all this other show You can do all that and still be red pill, right? And so rather than crossing the abyss into realizing that the blue pill has basically Conditioned you to think in a certain ways then when you finally get past that they want to drag you back in It's purple pills are like the crabs in the barrel They want to drag you back to that to that blue pill idealism that really fucked you up in the beginning You wouldn't have to go through all this if if you had not been conditioned for that in the first place And so what they're doing is they're dragging these guys back because they can make they can turn a buck on that Because guys don't want to put in the hard work. They don't want to have to They don't want to have to cross that abyss They want to have that they want to have the knowledge of the red pill and they want to be red pill aware And they want to be able to say that they're red pill, but then they also want to go Oh, okay. Well, I still want to have my my one eye to soulmate girlfriend And I've seen guys like fucking pats deadman who will go and say Oh, yeah, you can have your one-eyedest girlfriend as long as you guys, you know align with each other and your You know mires brig test mark mark. Yeah, and mark mans is another good example of that Todd valentine also a formerly of rsd. Good example of that You can have and here we have rsd selling you your dream girl selling you on this idea that you can You know You can still have to have some red pill knowledge I'm not going to say that they don't they don't show you that or they don't tell you about red pill awareness But what they're saying is that with that red pill awareness You can have all those blue pill ideals and what I've always said is that you will never Achieve those blue pill ideals with red pill in red pill context. You have to make those goals red pill One thing I gotta I gotta inform you guys of I don't know if you know this But I've seen max on youtube rc max who's like one of the makers of this product He has openly mocked the red pill Not So the red pill is it was kind of like one of those like He's criticizing it but doesn't even fucking understand it kind of like Todd did a few months back So he's actually done that but then helped us deliver this product like it's this great thing Well, because it's again, it's that's one of the reasons I like calling it success porn because guys really want that They want and I shouldn't just pick on just rsd here. I mean that's one really good glaring example But if you get a guy like tony robbins, you can be successful. Just think positive thoughts And you'll be a success You can be an entrepreneur and if you go and if you go and you look at these websites of guys who are selling like their e-book That you know, here's the 12 steps to success kind of thing and you look at them They all look like that girlfriend games what they have They all look like that same template site that you just showed me a second ago It's like they all go to these seminars how to get rich online And then they go, okay. Yeah, just You just become you know, and so what they're doing is they're just it's just funny because there's a there's a market for selling To guys who want to be these purple pill guys. It's this market that says here's the here's the web template Come to my seminar for a day. I'm going to teach you a little bit about seo I'm going to teach you and you can call yourself an entrepreneur And then you're going to buy my package and then you can take that package and then you can go and sell all this You know power of positive now this isn't like rsd max and tyler But I've met some of these marketing guys behind the scenes that give them all these product all these you know templates and shit These guys feel like meeting them They feel like some of the worst dudes you will ever meet in your life with women Like just five seconds of talking to me like this dude does not get laid He has probably never been laid or a very few times Like the the anger and the venom what some of these marketing dudes is like is visceral You can feel it you can see it And that's the kind of cesspool that they surround themselves with rsc and all these guys That's why all their shit looks all the same the same and that's why it's always they don't sell They don't sell any condors. It's basically substance list And a lot of the stuff that i'm seeing you can get for free You can get it for free for that's one of the reasons they don't like me so much Because you can spend 999 for the rational mail and learn more than the 1000 some odd dollars you can't for their Shit and why and so what do they have to do they have to say oh and he's angry It's true, but he you know you don't need that negative anger in your life And you know what anger is just a phase. It's it's a part of unplugging. Yes, you're gonna be angry But you know what you're not angry at women you're angry at yourself for having wasted so much time Because you didn't realize all this shit. That's why I wrote the second book Was because people kept saying god if I would have just known this stuff when I was like 20 years old I could have saved myself all this heartache all this money I had two kids out of wedlock blah blah blah if they would have just known The stuff beforehand. That's why I wrote that so now you've got You know, I've got two books that they have to contend with because if they can't do that they can't sell this mindset It's like this positive Congrats. It's absolutely substance Listen congratulations everybody we've got our first in-sell in the group Michael fucking townsley who would have us believe that he's a mig towel by choice He is in here. Well, listen insulting my prowess. That's some female shaming language. Okay, check this out, right? This guy michael townsley said turd flinging monkey owned us The only thing turd flinging monkey owns is a sex doll. He has to clean every night, right? When you fuck a sex doll you lose, okay? Like you're not going to sit here and say tfm own roller to massy No, rola's been married to a woman for 20 plus years And he fucks a sex doll He loses so michael townsley what i'm going to do since she seemed to be so tough Is i'm going to block you and if you have anything to say you can call the number here in about 10 minutes 914 205 5356 let's see how tough you are voice to voice Yeah, I was going to say let's uh, let's start the phone calls here Yeah, i'm going to go ahead and hit the go button. Let me let me just block this fucker here really quick We're also at the top of the hour. So if you want to give the links out again, Anthony Yeah, uh, can you put the number in the chat uh forest donovan or give it to me on the private channel? I'll go ahead and put it in there Links out again, Anthony. Yep. Excellent. All right. I'm gonna go ahead and i'm gonna mute myself open up the phone Line to guys continue and michael listen if you're listening if you're listening Give me a call because anybody listen anybody can be a fucking e-thug, right? Anybody can be all witty and all that in the chats. Give me a call I'm going to actually say the number out loud. So if you guys are watching live on twitter anywhere else You can call in at 914 205 5356 If you're outside of america put a plus one in front of that and should work fine That's 914 205 5356. You will talk to donovan sharp directly I was going to say I think uh, I think uh, miss playboy bunny or whatever that chick is on twitter I think she's she's listening in I think You know our I've I've free tweeted her. Yeah, she's oh, okay. There's like big pics. I don't know what's wrong with her She has so we get so we get if we get calls we get I'm just gonna I was just gonna say real quick while you're doing that is uh I I worry about this I I hate to sound like a concern troll for this kind of stuff But I wrote a post called uh dream girls and children with dynamite and I wrote that gosh way back in the day Because of exactly my foreseeing this situation in the future Uh, it's just like what tex was saying that it's this cheat code mentality It's this I want that I want the cheat code so I can play in god mode kind of thing And I don't want to have to earn the mastery that it takes to understand how to have a relationship with a woman How to how to you know how to be red pill aware because there's a lot of There's just so much that you have to learn. It's like it's like You know taking two classes at karate and then the guy wraps a black belt around your your waist and says, okay Go out there. It's far with that, you know 12th degree black belt. You're ready to go Well, let's get some uh some collars on the air. We got two online with donovan. Yeah, we got a we got someone from outside the united states All right, give me one second here. Okay, uh, whoever you are airy code 4479 Whatever you are on with donovan and the red man group. Go ahead Hey guys, can you uh, you know, okay? Yes, we can Hi, it's Stirling here from London, UK Um, I just want to say thanks to all you guys for giving me free time to help with the man It's much appreciated and I've got a couple of questions for the group Let's do it true Yeah, so Um, I've been quite successful Uh, sort of with the red pill now running uh seeking arrangement game very similar to uh, Anthony Yeah, I've been following through these all of the red pill But now I know the true nature of women. It's it's kind of depressing And how do you guys get past that knowing so what you know now? Wow, that is I just bang more women than then tie them That's what's one option hit up text for information Listen, I've got a I've got a short answer for that. Um, and listen, he brings up a very good point Because part of part of the anger phase, um after the anger phase you kind of you you when you take the red pill You almost mourn Your what you thought women were because when we were all younger we thought that girls were made of sugar spice everything nice We used to like used to hold girls in high reverence. I thought that they were these mysterious mystical beautiful creatures And when you take the red pill you kind of see them without the makeup so to speak And you're kind of depressed or like man like I thought girls were a little more than I thought they were better than this Um, I don't think there's any real way that you deal with it I think that's to me that's part of the masculine conundrum. That's part of the masculine burden You have to understand that girls are just not all they're not as they're they're not all that they're cracked up to be We see all these memes that they to understand a woman Here's uh, here's a book this this thick. Good luck. No, no, no I've said i'm on this show and i'll say it again girls. They're as simple as a two dollar hammer All you have to know is how to understand them and when you figure out what makes what really makes them tick You're like man, they're really not as awe inspiring as they once were I know that's not the answer you're looking for but again as a man They're just some things you're gonna have to live with and the fact that women really ain't shit unless they're unless they With a man who has to shit together. That's just something you're gonna have to live with now I I see that as uh part of crossing the abyss and what I was just talking about a little while ago is is guys When they when they unplug from the red or unplug from the matrix and they become more red pill aware Uh, yeah, there's there's a a point where you get angry. Maybe you get despondent and a lot of people get stuck there That's where I see a lot of guys who become in cells or become migtail and they just decide to do something Different, okay? I mean I I've always said that guys who become red pill you if you're migtail great But I'll tell you what even if you're just a red pill guy And you're red pill aware you cannot help but live your life in a different fashion If you want to call that going your own way great, please do But I and that's where I think that there's a lot of similarities between what we talk about and what migtail talks about But there is that point where you you you see women as Something less magical it takes away that one You throw away one items you throw away the soulmate myth You throw away a lot of this stuff that you've been taught and conditioned for for probably most of your life And now you realize oh man This is really the truth and I I Council guys who are you know a guy who's 70 years old and he's just now becoming red pill aware and understanding 70 years Of the decisions that he based You know he based on his blue pill aware or his blue pill conditioning and so yeah It can be very very depressing but That's a point where you have to sort of get through that And then on the other side of that abyss on the other side of the anger there's so much more opportunity Because now you have an understanding now you're you understand what the rules are and you understand how to protect yourself from From being exploited and and and put into that situation That that would would manipulate you or would help you you know It helps you make yourself your own mental point of origin where you weren't before So you have to understand I think that if you're going to look for some positivity on the other side of the red pill It's that you have more opportunity now and you're going to be more successful because You have that red pill awareness and is all as long as you accept that now your goals have to be Within a red pill context and not in that blue pill context And that's where I think that a lot of the the success porn guys Really want to drag people back in because they were comfortable in that they were comfortable in thinking that girls were Were these magical unknowable creatures and if we're just nice enough and we're just you know We put a smile on our face all the time that that women are going to love us You know in a way that we think that they can love us And that's another thing it's like when when guys get to the other side of the red pill They realize that women don't have the same concept of love that men do That is a hard hard lesson to learn for a lot of guys because they were so Committed and in that you know ego was invested in the idea that That they could have something like they could have this Oh, she loves me and I love her as much and we don't have to you know We can let our hair down and just be who we want to be and and just basically give up But you can't do that you cannot do that in a red pill paradigm You have to stay on top of your shit you have to own your game all the fucking time It has to be who you become and who you internalize and a lot of guys don't want to do that They would rather go back to that comfy feeling of well women aren't really like that And then so that what they do they deny the red pill and then they come back to their blue pill They're you know, they're blue pill ideals Yeah, but that's gonna say that's the problem is they can't get away from it because you've already been exposed to the red pill And you've already got that red pill lens So you're gonna see even if you say no no no no, I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna listen I don't I'm not seeing anything and And What happens is then you You're living this sort of in this duplicity where it's like you're trying to convince your yourself that it's really all about the blue pill But in your peripheral awareness, it's it's all about the red pill. And so that's why I think that guys get into this really dangerous space Thinking that they're you know, women are they want to cling to that comfort It's so comforting that the blue pill is very very comforting right and that's why it's more profitable Yeah, it's also I would say in a conventional sense not a scientific sense. It's almost like schizophrenic. Yeah, so but I'm not I'm gonna feel bad if I don't answer this guy's question. So what do you do on that side? How do you stop seeing women as being these, you know horrible? You know, I I've always said this to the red pill is not so you will hate women It's so that you will not hate women for something that they cannot be to you Okay, so when you learn the real nature and the real nature of women's psyche and the nature of women and you understand The red pill and you understand intersexual dynamics, you're not going to hate women You're going to understand them a little bit more and you're going to understand that you need to Look at them in a new paradigm You need to look at them from a red pill perspective in a red in a red pill context and you will do far far better I think a lot sometimes a lot of guys get depressed because All the stuff that I teach them are all the stuff that the red pill makes them aware of They don't want to accept that but then when they start using it or they start practicing game I put the the red pill theory into practice and they realize that actually does work They get depressed because those girls those magical Beautiful disney princess girls really aren't that way and they're really more visceral and they're really more It's you understand the truth of the red pill. That's why I keep When your blue pill every every girl's a potential mate Yes, and then all of a sudden now now your red pill you're Call her take this as a an advantage now and embrace it because now now She opens her mouth and in the first five minutes you can rule out 90 of them You're not going to waste your time on some girl that is fucked up in the head Life is going to be so much smooth This is a beautiful thing. Don't be depressed get through that shit Right and start and start realizing what a gift you've been given yourself. Listen. I want to make Yeah, so to answer his question uh and comment on it from personal experience try to bang less sugar babies I know it's fun It's like sport fucking like these little you know want to be sugar babies or they are sugar babies And I would say try to find women who are more who come from a healthier culture and who are raised there for most of their lives My my taste is like Colombian woman Brazilian woman and Polish woman if I can find them All right, basically you're from european Those women are still women so you still need the red pill 100 percent But it's refreshing to talk to them when you can find them and hit it off make out bang them You know pull it off So find those women that are a lot healthier and they respond to masculinity better Uh, it's a lot better than the toxic western shit you find all the time And it reminds you that women are still worthwhile unlike the migtails like women are still worthwhile to interact with in some capacity Yes, yes, they are Yeah, I had one quick correction before we go to uh the phone lines here Rolo said that we don't teach men to hate women In the red pill. Well, we teach women to hate fuck women. We fully endorse that Let's go back to the phone lines. Miguel in texas. You are on live with dawn of it in the red man group. Go ahead Hey, how you guys doing uh, thanks for having me on absolutely. So I want to want to ask you guys a question um And then this came directly out something that I noticed in the chat that And you guys mentioned earlier in terms of a guy having wished that he had known this information at 20 225 And I can tell you were in that I've gotten to a point where I've gotten a good grasp on my my job You know gaming chicks learning the red pill concepts applying them And you know, I think that at 20 years old, I don't like how like How early is it possible to really get a full kind of like mastery of the red pill? Because I'm 25 and at 20, I don't I don't think that you've had enough life experiences to You know fully understand it all and to fully, you know master and then apply it for example like rich You know, I would look at rich cooper and he's a guy that you know, I'd like to be an institution at some point And I look at him when I see mastery, right? At the same time taking so many L's and so many setbacks to get there. So with that said, you know Have you cut out like at what point? Hello Yeah, yeah, and and just reflecting on and if you guys could maybe pitch in you know Kind of like at what age do you guys come up age and kind of get a strong? uh, I guess mastery of the red pill and You know what that felt like and how did that? You know and and what changes you made is basically what I'm asking. Yeah, thanks for the call. Um, Miguel This one is real simple for me. Um I've been in a lot of fights The first few fights I got into didn't do so hot, right? Guys don't become great fighters unless you get your ass kicked a few times. It just happens that way Being a good fighter has probably more to do with what not to do than what to do It's really the same as the red pill. We listen men. We're born with an inherent Knowledge of what it well at least we used to We we know we know we don't even have to take the red pill to know that women like men who aren't in good shape Who take care of themselves who dress a certain way who act a certain way? We don't need we don't need rollo to massi to tell us that women like masculine men What we need is we need rollo and donovan to tell us that okay if she's got tattoos Probably not going to make a good wife if she said that she went five years and only had two boyfriends Okay, she's probably telling the truth, but she didn't tell you she was fucking 250 guys, right? A lot of girls will say well, I haven't I haven't I've only had two boyfriends in two years Okay, I might believe you but that doesn't mean that you weren't sport fucking your way through your 20s like every other 20 year old um It it went when you get beat down enough and a lot of guys say man if I knew then what I know now Listen, I'll tell you right now if I knew at 20 years old what I do now at 40 years old My life would have ended up the same way because for me. I'm listen. I'm a hard-headed stubborn son of a bitch You can tell me whatever you want unless I see it and experience it for myself It's not really going to help me if I were to go to 18 year old donovan and say listen Uh young donovan. This is the way it's going to be these are the websites Well, I don't know at 18 the internet was just coming of age at that point But I could I could go back and tell my 18 year old self what not to do guess what my dumb ass Still would have done him my dumb ass still would have tried to rent that three bedroom two bedroom house for Uh for uh for karla, right? I still would have married Darcy who had just come off of crystal meth and had recently lost custody of her daughter who doesn't believe Who who who isn't the the daughter of the guy who believes is his father paternity fraud? I still would have made all these mistakes. So at what point do you become like red pill etf 42 said it And by the way etf 42 is the only man I've ever had one. I just for welcome back Um the the prodigal son returns But but when when you when and it all just kind of clicks and sometimes it happens really quickly Sometimes it happens a little by little but when you're sitting in front of a woman And she starts rattling off at the mouth like every woman does on a first meet-up You start to pick up on these things just like just like tech said Um, uh, I've got I've got two kids. Oh really? Yeah, their fathers are really good to me Or yeah, you know, I had green hair one time I didn't really think it was too good of an idea or yeah I used to go to law school or I'm interested in becoming a listen. You already know You already know you're dealing with a slut. So at what point do you really become a red pill? It's it's when you really start it's when you start to see what women are going to do before they even do it. That's that Yeah, sometimes right, right I always I get it I usually get a question like this once in a while from like a guy who is like younger and they'll say You know, what would what advice would you give to your 18 year old self, right? Or your old self or whatever And I I hate those questions because the problem is is that You don't have the life experience enough to understand what the future you would say because you're not You're not you're not that person That's one of the reasons I always tell guys that personality is not static It changes over time and like who you are today is not going to be who you are two years from now I mean you're gonna you're gonna look like that guy But your personality could change overnight depending on what the experience is As far as uh, you know, what was the what was the catalyst? I think a lot of guys they're for their their catalyst for unplugging is almost always a trauma For me, I think I answered this really when we were doing the dangerous women podcast You know was me sort of making that decision between going in her bedroom door or leaving her dorm That one time I think if you want to understand that story just go back to that episode But it was at that point where I had to make that separation And you had to go through a really tough time and that was the beginning of the end It was a beginning actually of the beginning so Um as far as being more red pill. I don't you know, there's still shit that I don't know Okay, I'm not going to be here and I'm not going to be here and and you know gloss myself and say I got everything figured out because I'm sure there's something That's going to happen in you know, maybe something happens in psychology or science or you know, brain scans or whatever That's going to change my mind about some stuff. So I'm always open to the fact that that's probably going to be You know something that could possibly have called the rational male exactly. So that's why you stay objective as possible Uh, I think that when I had my red pill moment. It was sort of coming out of that borderline personality disorder Relationship and then deciding at that point that I was going to be my own mental point of origin and it took me 26 years 27 years to get to that point where I had to decide that I was the most important person in my life And I had to start thinking about myself before I thought about anybody else And lo and behold what happened when I started doing that I started I started getting more chicks I started having more success in life. Uh, you know, we're we're always taught to be these good servants We're always taught to think of others before you think of yourself, you know That kind of that kind of stuff and I I really think that I'm not saying don't help others I'm not saying I like I always talk about enlightened self-interest. I can't help others until I can help myself But it's important that you do help others once you have helped yourself Uh, so what would I say to that? I would say, um, you just at 25 years old You're you're still not even halfway there man. Um, just keep at it Uh, I always tell guys that their their sexual market peak is going to be right around 35 36 so you got another 10 years ago guys don't even really become men these days until they hit about 30 anyways And but the good news is is that once you get past that point once you once you have done I always tell guys, you know, theory is important, but practice is also more important too So you've got to get out there You've got to practice what you learn so that you can understand for yourself and it becomes something that's internalized More importantly than anything else. I mean a part of mastery is internalizing what you're learning in the red pill So that you know people I say, well, you know, roller has to game his wife all that time. I think no I don't game my wife. It's part of who I am red pill awareness is my reflexive response now It didn't happen overnight. I had to actually, you know, remember things Uh, and you know, this wrote Memorization until it started to become part of who I was and then I understood it a whole lot I even understood the red pill a whole lot better once I started practicing it and seeing the responses And that reinforced my understanding which then leads to more game which then reinforces the understanding which leads to more game so, uh, I would say that, you know mastery is I think it was robert green who was talking about it and mastery is like you have to humble yourself You have to say look, I'm the eternal student and I know that I know nothing And so you have to humble yourself to the point where you can say I I need I need to find a mentor I need to read this book. I need to I I want to dedicate my life to to learning this stuff Or I or maybe I don't maybe I just want to have enough to help me live a better life than I am right now Yeah, just to add real quick to what rollo said, um, we as men We we have the ability to humble ourselves If there are men out there who think that women in this day and age will just get it and I see it's funny I see men myself included sometimes I'll go back and forth with women trying to explain red pill truth to them guys Listen, these bitches these listen, it's useless man Bitches aren't going to humble themselves. So, you know who has to humble them this guy, right? Dude, I'll humble a bitch fucking quick because no one else is going to humble her not her mother Not her father not her friends not her slutty friends who are married and cheating on their husbands So as far as humbling yourself is concerned understand that you're the only one that's going to do that A woman will never humble herself unless you humble her and you got to be you got to be that guy Who's worth her humbling herself for and she's not going to do it on her own Oh donovan you're a man that I should humble myself for no no no no no no I had to humble devin before I started grooming her to be my main chick believe that That's a good way to put it humble yourself Okay, we got we actually have a caller on the line here Give me one second here. Okay, erico 915 you are on with the red man group. What's your question? Oh, hey fellas, how's everybody doing? I was listening here. See you guys in chat Thank you for everything that you guys put out there I had two things that I wanted to ask you guys about um One is that uh recently a last couple of days. I saw on social media An article came out about a guy that broke up with his girlfriend over video games, right, right? I'll keep it short, but I wanted to If you guys get a chance to look it up basically It kind of showed how quickly the media was quick to attack the guy without really Kind of realizing why he did it um, my second actual question that I wanted to ask you guys is And this might be particularly like you donovan or rollo is um As a red man or red killer women and you went turning into an LPR Does such a thing count as being territorial, you know, are you still allowed to be jealous If the same though woman you took to be in the LPR with It's still kind of getting hit on. Yeah, even if you do change her Are you allowed to be territorial? Yeah, let me um, we'll get to the the article first. I'm gonna mute you here to delete all your background There we go to answer his second question first and a lot of guy like a lot of my guys ask me the same thing They say donovan. Are you allowed to be territorial? Are you allowed to be jealous? Well, here's the thing guys Insecurity and jealousy is not the same as being territorial and I'm gonna explain to you why Being insecure and jealousy being insecure and jealous. Okay, that is a reactive response being territorial is a proactive response Quick example, you take your girl to a bar, right? You guys are drinking having a good time You get up you go take a piss you come back and chat thundercock is hitting on your girl So you throw your arm around your girl. Who is this guy? Blah blah blah blah blah? This is my girl blah blah blah blah make guarding happens all the time So the guy leaves who the fuck was that? I can't believe you entertain this conversation That's being jealous and insecure being territorial is you don't take your girl to the bar in the first place Listen as a man here and and I don't want to be too long-winded on this as a man You got to understand your woman's a slut. Okay. I'm gonna insult everyone here married girlfriend or not Dude, my girlfriend's a slut Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic you will never ever allow your alcoholic friend who's been three years sober To go to a mixer. So why in the hell would you take a woman who's an alcoholic for cocks? Why would you take her to a place where she's going to get cocks in her face? No, she really wants to drink take her to fucking apple bees and get and get a table You can you can have your vodka martini's there. You can have your long island ice teas there Don't get mad if you take your girl to the club. Oh my god. My girl got hit on that's part of the gig If you're gonna date hot girls hot girls are going to get hit on right and then a lot of guys say well being territorial That's uh, that's make guarding. That's um, uh, that's jealousy. No no no no no no If you don't want to get robbed don't leave your fucking doors unlocked. That's how that works It's on you as a man to protect your investment If you're doing what you're supposed to do to protect your investment Your girl is gonna do what she what she has to do to protect her investment in you um Oh and the the article he was talking about he's a youtube gamer. His name is he phase something or other He dumped us like the girl he was with is hot, but he dumped her so that he could play call of duty more and Listen, this just goes to show that hot girls Hot girls are a listen man and I talk about banging hot girls all the time this and that and the other but guys Have you noticed I haven't been in too many long-term relationships with hot girls because hot girls are a fucking headache Just like the guy said this guy's being vilified in the mean. Oh my god. How could she she's beautiful? No She's a fucking headache. I'm looking at her right now. I'm looking at her right now and she's Link on this check. I gotta see this. Oh my god Yeah, she looks good. Listen. She looks good dude. She looks like a fucking headache She looks dude. She's the kind of girl that you wake up in the morning. You're like, you got a You already know dude any girl any girl who allows a picture of herself to be put online with her hair covering one eye There's a fucking headache get the fuck out of here with that. I'll Like a brat stall like really Let me just jump in It's all about frame. All right. I mean we go out. I expect that there's gonna be guys hitting on my girl I also expect that she is going to behave in a certain way Shut them down politely and come back and find me if we got separated. I don't have a problem with guys doing that She's she's amazingly good-looking. Um, it's gonna happen But she also knows the rules. She also knows what happens if the rules get broken And if she wants this marriage to work, she wants to stay together forever She knows this is the way it's gotta be and so it's my frame. I've set the frame I'm getting jealous. I expect it. You know, it doesn't bother me A lot of girls say well, I want a guy who's who has a six pack or I want a guy who's this They want mr. Perfect But these girls are not willing to put in the work to keep these guys And so they bitch and moan about guys expectations are are too high No, you're just in you're incapable of meeting those expectations Guess what? It's the same on the other side of the coin as men We want to date and fuck attractive women. Guess what gentlemen? You're not going to be the only guy who thinks your girlfriend is hot and Black metal actually makes a good point that women's value is preserved not built And I think a lot of women today feel so entitled that if they don't automatically have that value Like when they're 22 23 at the peak of their smd like roller points out They just don't have any expectations for themselves. Why wouldn't I think that Let me just jump in here real quick I What this what the caller is asking really is is it okay to be possessive? Is it okay to be territorial? Is it okay? I I you know, I joke about this quite a bit whenever I'm looking at pictures people like throw me these pictures on twitter And they show like a couple and the guy's like hanging on his girlfriend and and I mean Anthony Bourdain was a great a great example of this. He's like all of his pictures He's just like completely like guarding her with his hands and just like, you know It seems like the girl's going oh help me, you know, let me get him off of me kind of thing uh I think that that is that most definitely is not red pill because I especially when you think of things in terms of If you're if you're an alpha guy and your your woman Sees you as that alpha guy. She is going to change her behavior for you. Okay, and I it's like we were talking about gno it's like I've written a actually probably two or three essays about girls night out and It's like Guys want to take me to task on this say well, shouldn't you be make guarding and make guarding is a part of our evolved natures, but when guys are Used to not getting women all the time when they're when they're when they're more beta and and women are more of an investment to them That's when they get protective. That's when they encroach. That's when they want to be, you know, I don't want you to go on a girl's night out But the real question here is why does she want to go on a girl's night out to begin with? Why is she thinking that? Why is she? Why would she want to do that? If you're if you are if you're an alpha dude and she says I want to go out with the girls tonight Or here's or you see all of her pictures on instagram and she looks like she's available There's a reason for that. It's because you she You are not somebody that inspires that want that desire that natural genuine desire that I always talk about to You know to say well, I want to be on instagram and it's it's you know feeds my ego and it's it's all about social Media and stuff like that. No what you the the medium is the message What is the medium telling you right here? The medium is that she's putting out all these pictures on instagram of you know One eye showing with her, you know She's in her bikinis, whatever that kind of stuff is advertisement that is advertising her Her singleness or her availability to guys. Why was she doing that? Why is you know? Why is why is there no pictures of you on her facebook? It's just her pictures of her There's a reason that is the medium What is the message the message is that she does not see you as somebody that she Wants to change herself organically for so when you say is it is allowed to be territorial? Are you yeah, you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want to do But i'm always going to say Demonstrate do not explicate and when it comes down to like we're talking about boundaries here It's like does a woman understand your boundaries without having to be told what those boundaries are Okay, does she go and say I would never go on and I She tell her girlfriends. Sorry. I can't go on the girls night out because I'd really rather stay I would rather genuinely stay at home with this guy Does she say that or does she go? Oh, yeah, let's see if I can talk him into it or does she just up and go Right, so it's you're looking at a state of what is her genuine desire for you And so when you're in a relationship Where she has a genuine 100 interest level in you. She's all about you You're not going to get that you're not going to go into those situations It's not going to happen organically that you have to be territorial because she's territorial for you She may guards herself for you because you are that that much worth it to her Real quick before we get to the the text question Anthony was talking about and a lot of guys which have to understand your your girlfriends friends They will try to sabotage your relationship at every fucking corner One of the reasons is because they want to fuck you girls can never be happy Girls are never really happy for for their other girlfriends. Oh, we're so happy for you. No, they don't no They're not they want to fuck that guy. That's why no girl wants to be a bridesmaid There was a there was a A movie called 27 dresses the bitch was hating on all of her 27 friends because she wasn't getting wiped up Here's the thing your girlfriends friends are going to try to indirectly Shame you by proxy. Oh, he doesn't let you go for girls night out. He's possessive or he's uh, you know, he's he's possessive And uh, what's the other word? Um Right, listen girl. Listen girl. Listen. This is a shit test Then if it comes directly from your girl and i'm telling you guys This is the gods on the truth my hand to the man every single girl who has ever told me because I get this a lot Oh my god, you're so possessive and um, what was the other one? I just fucking forgot it Um, you're possessive and controlling you're possessive and controlling and my response is i'm sorry You're just now figuring that out never apologize never apologize for that shit You're goddamn right i am as men it is our job to protect women from themselves women cannot be trusted to their own devices I don't give a fuck where they came from the feminine the the feminine hard drive always wins out in the end I'm not saying keep your girl under lock and key because here's the thing a woman You can't really make or you can't be territorial over a woman who doesn't want to make guard herself for you So she has to want to do it and if she wants to do it when you lay down the edict She's gonna do it but women use this controlling and possessive shaming tactic to give themselves the space to cheat I don't want you texting with your ex-boyfriend. Oh my god. You're so controlling and possessive What the fuck am I controlling and possessive of that for that you're fucking ex-boyfriend So if you want to text that guy that's fine with me just understand what the consequences are now you say it But don't show it But you guys have to watch out for your girlfriend's friends trying to shame you all she's trying to do is give her Self the space with which to cheat on you girls cheat in the margins. They don't cheat when it's obvious I've heard for 30 years. You're such an asshole. Everyone says you're such an asshole I might absolutely You're such a guy. Oh, yeah, I was just gonna just real quick before I move on. I was gonna say I want to be with a woman that has 100 Unquestionable desire for me. Okay. I want a woman that is so hot and so dedicated to me She's gonna change her fucking religion leave her country and leave her family to come live with me because that is how Interested she is in me that woman is not going to be one who has a problem with going out on girls night out Okay, that's not the one who's going to say you're possessive because she is that much into you I'm everybody knows this about me. Yeah, you cannot negotiate genuine desire and Part of being territorial is you trying to negotiate Her actual desire because really what you want is you want her To naturally want to be with you to naturally have that interest level with you But there's something about her still where she wants to go out and she wants to be available Medium is the message you want a chick who's the hell. Yeah girl You want her who was a you know, hey, you want to go out with me hell. Yeah You want to go do that you want to go to applebee's hell. Yeah, you want to go to you know Bidal study hell. Yeah, it just does not matter what the hell it is. It's that you want that 100% natural Unmitigated desire. Well, I'll say this too. I agree with rola, but watch out for bpds and yeah Hey, this is very much like that if not almost identical It's one hair off that and the hair of course is the illness itself What do you have? Yeah, I was gonna say moving on that's one of the text question. I actually know the guy sent this in His name's daniel Daniel here should young boys still look to superheroes today for inspiration when it comes to being a man or handling woman I'm gonna hit that I have some thoughts on that nothing too, uh, too fancy How young He doesn't specify. He's probably talking about teenagers or something like that I mean, I'll say this it also it depends really on the superhero in a way Like iron man is a good example. Tony Stark and iron man. One is like alpha badass bad boy But as the movie series progresses he be I think the writers change him from iron man one two to three and then He's fucking mary's. Oh my god. Hey, he's trying to knock up pepper pots and pepper pots What are you doing 45 or something like it's Avengers it's retarded. I think uh, you have to understand that superheroes are archetypes So you got a guy who's like Tony Stark who's this bad boy playboy guy and then you got a guy like captain america Captain america is the archetype of the and spider-man is also this archetype It's the kid the wimpy little kid who is completely powerless and has nothing and then suddenly he's got extraordinary powers and extraordinary responsibilities, right And that is the archetype of you're a nice guy What would you do if tomorrow you woke up and you were alpha and you had all this control over people And you didn't have to worry about getting bullied or you're asking would that turn you into a bully? Or would you or would you be a superhero and use your superpowers for good? That's the archetype and these are all old school male archetypes even like luke skywalker is a uh, uh old school male archetype that that is the you know, the Was it the hero's journey? I think is what what he would represent Yeah, a lot of these narratives are now being corrupted deliberately I should say when it comes to like the sjw agendas, but uh, also because women don't want those Archetypes to be manifested in the next generation of kids right now So, I mean, what do we do with chill with with our boys right now? We we we drug them we tell them to you know to be more like girls We treat them as if they are defective girls and part of that training is now corrupting those old school archetypes So if you got a a a good guy a traditional good guy like captain america who you know, it's interesting because like his character was so naive and so Boy-like, but yet he looks like a man and he still has this this dedication to an ideology that's already been dead for You know the american way, you know that kind of stuff Uh, and it's interesting to see how they've changed that character both in the marvel cinematic universe, but also in the In the comic books as well, and I think that the state of comic books I want to I want to point this out real quick. There's this guy that I've been listening to for quite some time really good dude His name is Jeremy. I don't know what his last name is, but he has a YouTube channel called the quartering and he talks about stuff like this all the time It's mostly kind of nerd culture type stuff gamer slash comic books culture But the dude is like completely red pill and so he I'm glad he's doing this because I don't see any other dudes Doing this really Vox boxed us too But vox is really a whole lot more like sociopolitical these days and and ethnic and racial whereas Jeremy from the quartering just that he does such a great job because he goes and he exposes SJWs in gaming the feminism that's probably just recently there was this uh Controversy of this lesbian who just picked up the she's that illustrator she a comic book artist lesbian Who just redrew? She raw if this new version of she raw As like sort of like a 12 year old boy or this really kind of masculinized Character because that's what she wants to see and of course what do we do we pile on and say oh This is the new she raw for this generation And I think that really kind of speaks to this question because this generation has become so corrupted right now and we have so Confused and blurred what traditional conventional masculinity is so when you go and you look at characters who were Conventionally masculine back in like the 70s the 80s even the 60s really you take a character like like I said like Captain America Or spider-man who were traditionally appealing to young men Those characters they have to be perverted They have to be changed right now to to sort of speak the narrative because SJWs can't create anything for themselves They have to take what has already been created and they have to ride on the coattails and the popularity of that because if they were Going to make their own superheroes Nobody would listen to them Why because they're not based on archetypes. They're not based on anything that guys really understand is the heroic kind of They don't identify with that and say yeah I would really like to be spider-man or spider-man is just like me because i'm a 14 year old kid And I this is what I would do if I had superpowers and so I think Looking up to superheroes today Until it changes back to more conventionally masculine Superhero characters if you can find one, please please throw it at me But a really good guide to talk about or to talk this over with would be jeremy from the quartering I'd really like to get him on this show sometime And I think one of the things that we're missing over the years have gone by is that my dad was my freaking superheroes Alpha that's hell. He was a cop. He was he was just amazing amazing man, right? And I don't think there's enough fathers out there that are being amazing men in their own son's lives And I keep getting back to that and remember where I look so yeah They're gonna look at superheroes as entertainment when their dad is stepping up and being the man of the household You know, that's my take one of our old speakers is to call it father hunger Which we see in jordan peters and stuff, but also I think the superhero stuff That's out of control Okay, yeah, we've got we've actually got a few callers on the line We got somebody from estonia and guatemala here on the line But before I bring on mr. Estonia here got a couple of guys here This oh don't even force this girl to do this. No don't even didn't for listen. I didn't force anybody to do anything I may be forceful. Okay, but I didn't force anybody to do anything dude My girlfriend looks good enough. She could have been like, you know what fuck this noise I'm not putting up with this not this this knucklehead Women allow themselves to be trained. You don't hold a gun to a girl's head You're not fighting her to do stuff if she doesn't want to do it She's not going to do it Devon happens to be very good for my personality She admires my forcefulness So I'm not I don't have her locked up in a fucking basement somewhere And then you get out of here If she allows it if she really wants it Listen girls want structure because I'm louder and more animated. I've got a temper problem Some guys may disingenuously think that I went and and no I didn't go out and kidnap devon and yes No, she did it because she wanted to at the end of the day girls are going to do what the fuck they want to do You know why they think that is because they are trapped in this idea that women should In this egalitarian equalist mindset is what why they're saying this because if they can't conceive The fact that a woman might actually organically choose to be with a guy who is in control and is dominant as masculine dominance Because they think that women Are the are basically the equals of men, you know that they're that they're not the compliment They're the equals of men. That's what that's why they think this so it's that's why it's insulting to them And they get fearful like oh he must be an abuser. Well, no she chooses that she wants to be involved in that report his amazon book immediately There you go Yeah, uh, nine one four two five five three five six is the number call if you're outside the us just add the number Add the number one I don't remember what your name was but we got a guy from estonia on the lion estonia You were on live with the red man group go ahead Hello guys can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you Very good. I'm christian from estonia as I said and I just wanted to say that I just recently discovered the red pill And just last week I bought and just received the three books from rollo tamassi. So And I'm currently 22 years old and I have listened to your podcasts for like a few weeks from the past and Last week I heard you were talking about like some tests and trials and tribulations that young guys usually go through in you know in that type of period in their lives and I have not like a question but just like Or of a comment to last week's a podcast In my country we have this kind of system that You know every guy who is at least 18 years old Or slightly older they have to go to uh, you know obligatory military training for nine or 12 months And I know that in the united states it is not uh, you know Obligatory in that sense that you can't go there, but you don't have to right So I just got this one idea that I see In a very recent years Very lot that has happened. I see a lot of guys go through this military training for almost a year And what I see happening is that there's two types of guys basically there are those guys who uh, You know before to go through the military training. They have this really How to say bad lifestyle where you know lazy and doing bad at school and Come from a you know, not so good family and all and after the military training Their lifestyle goes back into the same way it was previously Wow, and they haven't made absolutely any improvements on the other hand There are those types of guys who uh, you know, they go through the military training They do extremely well They come out of it and after that they have, you know made this very huge improvement in their lives And they're like completely new person and what I have noticed is that those guys who come out as you know Successful dudes They happen to usually come from a family Which has this, you know, really strong masculine figure in it's like a strong father or Uncle or whoever, you know, right and those guys who do not have this kind of successful outcome after this military training And go back to this, uh, you know lazy lifestyle They usually come from as you have previously talked about in your series From this single motor type of family where there is no masculine figures and nothing like that and my Question or like a comment is that in my opinion it is more important to have Uh, like a strong male figure and a strong family from the start of every guy's life Instead of just having this, uh, some kind of tests and trials and tribulations Later in life because you know when the guy's growing up He's so like, uh Think in everything from the world and he if he's not getting this strong male figure in his life Later on it doesn't matter where does he get it from because it's too late in my opinion So that was just what I wanted to say and excellent. Excellent. It was just my comment to your life. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank Thanks for the call. Yeah, thanks for the call and thank you. Listen. He points out What he is pointing out is what is on full display right here in america particularly in the black community Let's keep it real most niggas running around out here haven't raised by single mothers single mothers created the hood Uh, there's a guy, uh by the name of rom wills. He wrote an article on negro menace filled fear dot com Black women complain about the men they create and it's a hundred percent true dude It got it got so much hate d.l. Hugley talked about it on his show But to bring this to a macro to bring this to a macro point He's a hundred percent right the guy in estonia If there is no masculine figure in a man in a man's life He has little to no chance to achieve true masculinity. Yeah, he nailed it. He absolutely nailed it Yeah, I was gonna say is that you you see when you hear calls like that and you look at other countries where Uh, you know, I where military services is mandatory and you look at all this stuff You just really see the contrast between how Really how we live here in the united states and how they live out there But I was gonna say is that you can in that contrast you can see uh, just how The attacking of traditional masculine or conventional masculinity is going on right now. It's like, what do we do? We just got into all of these twitter wars about Uh, you know, I think it was jessica valenti and jordan peterson. We're going at it Over how we need to teach boys to be proper feminists how we need to teach boys to to be more emotional It's basically because they're still clinging to this old school idea that Boys in school are being taught to be these complete, you know, patriarchal You know chauvinistic pigs and if we don't do something about it, then, you know But the problem is that completely ignores the fact that for the last like 40 or 45 years We've been teaching boys as if they're defective girls and I can show you study after study after study Why that is true and how we're drugging these kids and how we're You know attacking traditional conventional masculinity in the home that's so what are they trying to do? They're trying to remove men well from everything But certainly from the home and what happens when you remove the man from the home You get a situation like the guy in estonia was talking about Well, I think it might have been ryan stoner pointed out I'm not sure but somebody at twitter pointed out that the person the woman who wrote that article Doesn't even realize that she is the one and women like her are pushing men to the red pill into the man's sphere Yes, because feminism is sick. It's a deranged, uh, you know mental disorder. Yeah, it's melted. Yeah, it's cancer So she it's totally lost under the she's the one driving more and more and more teenagers and young men to the red pill into the man's sphere The conversation is almost like pointless to have with somebody like jessica valenci because obviously she's Involved in this for forever, but I think that it's interesting like I I I took to task That guy that comedian michael ean black who by the way is also being that dude is also being accused of Pedophilia or pedorasty You know what that might actually be accurate because he looks like a pedophile Well that the first thing that guy came out. I think it was after the I think was after the florida shooting with nicholas nicholas cruise He was like saying the same thing that she is was like, oh, we need to teach our boys to be more sweet and Emotional and spread expressive and I was like no that is exactly why they're doing that This was an emotional outburst for that kid. Why because there's no man. They're teaching him masculine discipline There's nobody there's no one in school. No man in school. There's no man at home There's no one and even if they're there that you know, is that a positive masculine role probably not I mean the blue pill when it successfully uh played out on a young guy like that a young man He's basically being sucked into in my opinion a negative feedback loop That then results in an emotional outburst and carl talks about that on his blog black libel logic Yeah, it's it's sick like you're being fed lies Those are them being doubled down on because you're told that's what's right and then it doesn't work and you keep doing it Anyway, and then you get fucked pissed off and some kids get more pissed off the most Or they have something else co-occurring at the same time It's sick. Yeah, the um the the feminism I mean feminism's a lot of things, but if we just boil it down if you just simplify it It's one giant shit test. Well, we know men most men can't really pass a shit test So Those who take the red pill are the ones that pass the feminism shit test Which is why most men can't take the red pill nine one four two five five three five six is the number two call Uh, daniel in california. You're on live with the red man group Hello, hello. Hey, what's up brother? What's your question? Hey, this is daniel win again. Sorry if I um appear selfish by asking two questions because um, anthony answered my my first question already. That's fine good um, my second question would be um, I go to College in the southern states and I noticed that the most beautiful women would always Pair up or or get with these call guys Have like long beers, but they seem overweight. They have big trucks and There's not much that that they can do besides like out drinking other people And I thought that that women are attracted to much young men. So I'm trying to figure out No, why these beautiful women go with that? Listen, what you're just listen? What you're describing is the same thing and I'm not I'm not accusing you of this but a lot of women They take the lazy route by saying well, I'm not a perfect 10 So I may as well be a slut because I'm never going to marry a high value guy Well, there are a lot of guys out there who think that all you have to be is tall and good-looking and you'll get good No girls are listen girls are definitely attracted to tall good-looking guys But they're more attracted to masculinity these big fat guys with beards and big pickup trucks that are out drinking people Guess what that is. That's masculinity. That is that is borderline Toxic masculinity so girls are attracted to guys that look good But they're more attracted to guys who just don't give a fuck guys who are unapologetically and unabashedly masculine Yeah, I've got long hair I've got a beer gut and I drive a fucking you know I'm a redneck and I drive a big fucking truck and I can drink anybody under the table Go fuck yourself girls. I love those guys and the reason is about me now man Shut up There you go So like what Donovan's saying is those guys they are those girls know those guys don't give a fuck to the point that They will pull that girl behind the bar They'll put them in the back of the pickup truck and they will fuck the shit out of them Oh, yeah, she knows that and she intuitively or uh, instinctively she knows that like roll up and talk about Well, it's it's all congruency is what it is as you can have you can have a guy who's like really super good looking But if he acts effeminate he acts gay What that's an incongruity from what a woman naturally Believes the guy is going to be about so if you got a guy who's like One of these kind of supermodel dudes who should be in like the hot fireman calendar or something like that And he talked like this and he has you know, he's just he's very fey or whatever like that That's an incongruency. Now. That's an easy one to figure out. Okay, uh, but When you've got a guy I can remember I can remember this one time There was this chick when I think I would have been about 19 or 20 or name was Kathy And I really really wanted to nail this chick and I could not understand why she kept going back to this To her boyfriend all the time And the the boyfriend was like this fry cook Overweight come home and like a greasy wife be it or whatever and she would give this dude anal sex Yes, love the dude. I mean she couldn't I and I'm here. I am trying to like, you know Trying to game her and everything and of course I'm I'm 19 20 years. All I got no clue I had no idea that What I was presenting was not what she was after it was this guy who who would grab her You know grab her hair when they're having sex and she and then that's what she wanted But me I would never have dreamed. Oh, no, baby. I love you. I'll keep you. I'll keep you happy I would never try to pull your hair. That's what she wants. He wants you to pull a I'll tell you what the boys down here. You see the red next down here where I live and I got the freaking fishing hook in their cap and all that That's what we're gonna tell that girl. I'm going fishing with my buddy in the morning. Fuck off I'll see you maybe maybe Saturday night. Maybe I won't maybe we'll stay fishing all day And that's the attitude you tell them though And then guess what she says. Oh my god. I want to have your babies. That's what happens every time man Because here's the thing man Because girls want guys who can do without them you have that that attitude listen sweetheart This train is leaving the station with or without you you can either be on it or off it But come seven o'clock or whatever. I'm pulling the fuck up out of here. Now. It's on you That's that's the that's the attitude you have to have with women never make women the focal point of yourself Fuck I've said this before I told my girl one time a couple of years ago. We were trying to get through our shit I said look i'll be okay without you You know and that was uh, you know what and she done and you know what should be okay without me too I think you know, it's okay, but the thing is is that I gave my freedom back that day I mean I had lost my freedom for a while, you know, you think it's gonna be all right, but she don't think that I don't I think women I don't know All right, I'm just I'm giving her more credit probably that she deserves Well, you probably have a better observation of you have a better uh third person perspective than she does She doesn't know that the women I find women don't usually don't think like that 914-205-5356 Andre in Guatemala. You are on live with the red band group. Go ahead Hey guys, how you doing doing good, man? That's awesome Uh, first of all, I just want to say thanks for all your content and all the truth you've been putting out I think it's helping a lot of guys like me. I'm 23. I'm from Guatemala. I moved to the state three years ago um And when I moved to the state, I met this girl That uh ever since then was basically she was pursuing she's always thought of me as Amazing and you know, she's the one chasing me this whole time And then uh about two months ago. I decided to you know try out a relationship with her She's two years older than I am. I'm 23 and uh You know, I think she's really really attractive But right now she's we're two months into relationship even though we've had this friendship for a long time And now she's asking me to to try out therapy For what? Oh Hell no Oh man Sean Smith and you need I know I Instinctively, I know what you guys think but I just wanted to get more like a more expansive response Um Why why why is she asking you this? What what what is the reason she's giving that she says that you need to have therapy with her? I wish a pitch Because the reason is because I'm christian Don't come from the christian background And um, I think you you all know that you basically caught one itis as the as the The best value to be as a man and woman so, uh so because of that Now that we're in a relationship And we we are thinking about it in serious terms She thinks this is like the best step for the next of our relations Oh my god, the next step Jesus fucking crazy. Oh god, bro. Are you are you guys having sex? Yep Whatever you want or I was gonna say how like what like what are the what are the stipulations here for sex? Like is she having it with you because she wants to or you having to negotiate this No, I definitely don't have to meet she she is mostly the one that initiates it. Okay. All right. All right. Well, that's why she's 26 Now is she has she has she stopped having sex with you? Since she asked you to go to council. Well, if we She uh, but I'm the one that is is telling her to stop having sex Oh Why why did you tell where did you tell her that though? Because of my christian beliefs in my background Like I I I've felt in in my because of how all the conditioning that I've had that it messes with me Like I can't I can't think I feel like I can't think straight. You're gonna love book four my friend. You're gonna love book four This is funny. No, no, this is funny from what what I'm gathering here And I could be wrong and correct me if I am it sounds like the girl wants him to go to counseling To get the religion out of him so that he can start acting more like a man. Is that is that what this is? I'm not sure. I mean she Yeah Is it a is it a religious counselor? Yes, oh Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Don't do it. So you're religious and she's religious, correct? Yes, right Wow, wow. Yeah, I mean too old than you too, man That's really not a good setup that that would be a next right there anyways But I'm curious because I think just sort of for educational purposes and for people listening to this I mean my my advice is going to be next this girl and move on but Really, I think that your You need to understand Where you sit with your own convictions? I mean if if you had sex with her and then you you're going to go and say well Hey, I think we should stop having sex because I have these religious convictions Well, you're sort of like living sort of two lives there You're living that duplicitous life and I'm not saying that you can't be christian You can't be sort of, you know in control of your own sex life But I think that you need to come to terms with that before you start getting into it with another with another woman Uh in the fourth book that I'm working on right now. Um, it really deals with a lot of the Almost exactly the same kind of concept. Uh, a lot of the guys particularly I don't know if you're an evangelical or if you're a catholic or whatever, but in really more mainstream, uh, christianity, uh, has been so Infiltrated by feminism and the feminine imperative and it's really kind of found fertile grounds in these churches because it can condition men to be these Perfect beta providers While making women the the primary focus and I think that that would be you know step one I really think that churches these days mainstream churches these days are teaching men to basically be these perfect servile betas Uh, but I think really what you need to do is you need to sort of come to terms with Uh, what it is that you're gonna live by I mean you you've already been having sex with her And then you decided not to have sex with her. Is that what I'm getting it's a beta move, man Like you can't do that. Well, I mean She had to like a validation from that that well that because I think what she's seeing I mean, I'm a little confused. Did she she was the one who said you need to go to counseling or did you say she needs to go to counseling? No, well, basically we just ran I think because of the sex and and me saying that uh, That we should stop having sex you she was she's on board with with whatever I tell her, you know, but She won't be for long dude. Yeah, listen it listen. It's it's not gonna More problems and then Not a listen listen check this out. This isn't about religion. Okay David koresh and jim jones They get as much at they got as much ass as jimmy swaggered and any other and every other televangelist It doesn't matter girls are not girls are not inherently religious Girls will follow the strongest men if you are an atheist and you are steadfast in your convictions Guess what a girl will fuck that atheist 10 times better and 10 times harder than a guy who might think he's a christian And he's on fire for god It's not but then she'll turn around and she'll fuck the preacher or the deacon Listen girl a girl's religion is whatever the strongest man's religion is This has nothing to do with religion If you have stopped having sex with your girlfriend because of your religion Dude, it is only a matter of time before she cheats on you and here's what's gonna happen before then What's gonna happen now? She's gonna say you know what either you go to this counselor either you go to counseling with me Or we're gonna stop having sex. Well, you've already taken it off the table. We're not having sex anyway So then she's gonna say you either come to counseling with me or or or or i'm gonna leave The only answer the only way for you to get out of this is start fucking your girlfriend again That's the only way you're getting out of this man Fair point donovan, but i want to say this per rope will growl has talked about in his work and the red pill more broadly too Why independent of his religion? Why is he dating? Why is he in a relationship a committed relationship of any sort at 20? What is he 23? Yeah, yeah, that's that's the next question. He's like you you don't need to be monogamous You don't need to be monogamous at 23. Um, you shouldn't even be thinking about monogamy until you get to be about 30 That's how he's been raised because I was The same I completely understand the other thing I'm just gonna take uh I just want to put a Asterisk next to what you were saying about women being religious I think women are actually a lot more superstitious than most guys. That's why chick chick crack works Okay, uh, I I think that if you have a little bit of that woo-woo magic to you That's that might not be a bad You know a bad thing I think that actually women are probably more religious than than men are however That religion can be hypergamy trump's religion put it that way Hypergamy, that's all man Yeah, so if you if you know if you're if you're the right guy It doesn't matter if she was raised, you know as an evangelical christian She's still gonna have sex with the hot guy in the foam cannon party on spring break and can't cook Okay, so I and I I tell guys this all the time Well, I was just gonna say is that I think that women are far more They think that they are more attuned to the supernatural than men are and I I didn't I'm not gonna I could probably do an entire show about that just a lot of things But uh, but I will always say this is that hypergamy will always trump Convictions, so this is why I made this is why I made the parallel between, you know Your jim jones and your david koresh's and your you know, jerry fallowell or or whoever your evangelicals It doesn't matter as long as you're a strong as long as you're a strong male and you exude masculinity They couldn't give two shits what your religion is and if you're if if you get a catholic girl And she wants to fuck an atheist all of a sudden now she's gonna start to hamster Why she doesn't think there's a god you don't think there's a god because the atheist has a 10 inch dick He pulls your hair during sex and he tells you what to do. Thanks for the phone call. Uh, andre and guadamala. Um Anybody else want to add to that before we get to the uh, to the next caller? 30 don't be in a relationship, you know, you don't know I will say this much at some point every man figures out the difference between religion and spirituality And uh, once you figure that shit out all in a sudden religion ain't such a big fucking deal anymore Even if you were raised in it like I was real dude real talk being dropped by the texas dumb I like that You are on live with the red man group. What is your question? Well, um, I just wanted to uh I sort of follow up with that bit with the um Uh religion stuff the uh, I just buried a buddy of mine that literally he was a member of a pretty trad con evangelical kind of church and um he uh Basically was not providing in the way that the woman thought he should be providing They were always, you know, actually had the basic needs provided But you know, and so he brought the bear this the whole church is Feminine imperative with the board of elders and everything and had everybody harassed this guy Up until the point that literally he dropped dead of a massive heart attack This is like these this feminine imperative, you know, within these evangelical churches will just it will book absolutely No, um No limits and it's like doesn't matter what it has to sacrifice It will carry it out, you know It doesn't matter who it kills as long as like that feminine imperative is it keeps on going That's exactly what i'm writing about in book four right now. Um Well, you know, I would I could probably do an entire show just dedicated to the religion and red pill I mean, I am writing the fourth book about that I would just love to get uh, dal rock on the show if I could get him on even if he just came on with just an icon And By the way, I would love to have him on I have quoted him in every single book. I've ever written But it's true. It's this uh I like I'm writing an entire book about this about and not just about christianity also in islam in judaism In hinduism in and you name the religion and I will show you some way that the feminine imperative Is assimilating your mainstream religion right now It just happens that uh evangelical christianity is the easiest one for for women to take control of right now If you look at women's ministries right now like uh beth moore She's very much involved with the me too movement and women's Yes, yes She's very she's she she she will probably end up being the first woman to have her own like to be a televangel I mean, there's beth moore and then there's I can't remember the other broad's name, but uh, there's actually a huge You know, you were just talking about this uh success porn This is success porn for christian women That that is what they're selling right now. They're selling this uh, this idea that you can be like there They want to completely pretty much rewrite the religion to Accommodate Feminism, but they don't see this feminism. They don't call themselves feminist They they would they would be horrified if you called if you think you were to call them feminists But they still all have the same exact beliefs. They're just they're feminist, but they just change the name to You know evangelical women's ministry Uh, you know person or whatever, but it's it's it goes back to that same success porn things They're selling it to these women who want to still pretend that they're christians But they want all the benefits of feminism on top of that So there was a time we we moved out to the country our girl was out of town and I went to a new church out here You know method is pretty conservative and all that Female pastor. I'm like, oh fuck. There's my god in there, right? You know what? Oh, yeah, it's like, okay, here we go and I'm by myself, right and so, um, we During her sermon she talks about at some point Men being another child in the household. She was you girls know what I mean, right? I just looked at this and I went Hand to god I got up and I walked out of the church when she said that and my boots are clicking on the wooden floors And I'm just like fuck this. I am out of here So my girl gets home. She goes, hey, how'd you like that new church? And I'm like, well, we're never going back It's always possible and it's funny because this has been normalized We see it and you don't even see it on commercials now and listen I'm not breaking news here, but you look at television commercials movies tv shows Men are consistently painted as the as these in net Uh, we're we're portrayed as these idiots who can't do anything without women So when she talks about yeah, you know what I mean, right ladies? No, actually they think they know what you mean because they watch a lot of tv What else reminds me of you said earlier donovan that uh and seen in the black community single mothers They hate the men they create their war with the men they create they create these betas and then they hate them Yeah, it sucks fucked up. Yeah, and they and and they're really mad. They're they're on uh, they're all over michael b jordan now because michael b jordan Uh has has he hasn't made it a point to say he doesn't date black women But and I don't want to get off topic here, but he every time he's out somewhere They're making they're making it a big point that he is not uh dating black women. So all these I have black friends not to bang black girls. He's like, dude, they're gonna try to get pregnant with you immediately Man, I'm trying to tell you dude. Listen most black women are born pregnant man Like dude you look at a black. I swear to god you look at a black woman. You like you can't I swear to god, man You if you black women are the most fucking fertile bitches out there You can fuck the bitch with eight fucking condoms her vagina figures out a way to somehow suck the sperm Eight condoms you have that's why you got all these women out here with like eight kids by like 17 different niggas man Because they are fertile as fuck you go out on a dick Listen, you go out on a date with a black and I'm not even kidding You go out on a date with a black woman, right? One day if you guys drink out of the same glass, bro I'm trying to tell you she's gonna be pissing a plus sign. They do that fraternity test. That's your kid Mori povich will tell you you are the father, but I didn't even fuck her bra She was born pregnant. All you did was come in contact with her man. I'm trying to tell you guys out here I got I got into a debate with uh Some black women this week over a video of this guy who had I guess he took his girlfriend His black black dude, but black couple black friends and he had taken his Girlfriend out to apple bees or someplace and she was upset that it was her birthday And Did I did you see that video? I saw the video And so I got all so she just got all up in this guy's grill and jumped up on the chair and started getting in his face And you know, yeah And it's just like I and I looked at this and I go this room This is exactly why black men are leaving the country to go to brazil to find women that are more and I reminded me of this post Actually, I'll I'll share it with you later donovan. You probably would like it It's a I wrote it about this documentary that they had done a very very in a very intelligent black man Uh talking about the the problems in the black community when it comes to men and women right now And how he and a lot of the a lot of his friends are leaving the country to go take trips down to brazil Some are expatriating They're going down there because they can find uh women that they're attracted to that are you know black women down there And who treat them right who are treat them like, you know, like Like feminine, you know, they're feminine women and they're going down there a little looking for that I posted that on that thread and I just caught so much shit from every black woman on like These guys they can go do whatever the hell they want, you know, you They're not real women down there. You know, listen, here's my favorite one Fuck y'all niggas i'ma go get me a white boy. Oh for real Like white got like white dudes are checking for y'all for real because two white women on tv got married to a black Or two black women on tv got married to a white man in a movie now all of a sudden white dudes are checking for you And it's funny man black women all the time tell us well, we're jumping ship Sweetheart, what ship are y'all jumping to like dude like i'm listen I'm telling you right now the american black woman is at the bottom of the sexual totem pole and they fucking know it That's why guys like michael b jordan are catching heat. He had all these black women here You know, we're gonna we're gonna uh boycott the black panther Y'all ain't shit black panther was one of the highest gross in movies of the year Get the fuck out of here and black women always talk about the fact that they don't care Well, we don't care y'all do who you want to do really why y'all all in my mentions Why you you know what i'm saying like why is my name in your mouth? It's it's fucking hilarious, man They can go fuck themselves because ain't nobody else will we got one more call The lines are actually empty now Waiting on trolls to call us, right? Yeah, you know, I and I put it out there, too I put it on my twitter. I said you are all invited to To call in and nobody calls in nobody wants to you know, that's what I hate It's like these sons of bitches. I come out there and go like pat stevin wrote this fucking blog post about me Like I think it was back and of course he writes a blog post about me like three times a year But you know giving me shit like here the invitation is open go right ahead call in you want to talk shed You want to you want to say you want to tell me what the problem is that you have with me? Go right ahead. Here's your here's your opportunity. You know what I've got open I've had a unmoderated comment section on the rational mail for seven years I've never seen your face there. I tell you what one thing I really hate is men within the Manusphere taking shots at each other. They just fucking pisses me off man fucking pisses me off The world is taking shots at all of us right damn chance. They get shut the fuck up or take it private You know, I agree. I totally agree. Um, I actually got a question here, uh, ferrola. This was actually, um In the chat a while back, um, it was from dead robins frank. It says, uh Question for rola just being a red pill dad have a positive effect on your daughter in other words less games down the road What do you think about that? Oh, definitely, uh, I've I've said this a million times It's like, uh, I think that because I have interpreted or internalized, um red pill awareness It manifests itself in ways that I'm not really even aware of So I've always been about demonstrate do not explicate and I think even hunter would probably back me up on this as well It's like when you're raising kids they watch what you do. They don't listen to what you say So you need to if you're if you're a red pill guy They like my my daughter is 20 years old right now and she will say stuff like You know, I I can't believe the relationship that you have with mom You guys are so because all of her friends mothers and parents are all divorced or they hate each other Or there's something or they're raised by single mothers and that kind of stuff her her parents are still together 22 years later, uh, and She's got she's in uh, she's just finishing up her sophomore year, uh at unr of here and she is Yeah, she's seeing all the stuff that you know all this all the village is being talked to her right now, you know, particularly in Uh, in terms of the sjw's and all this, you know, her teachers and everything else and she's very I would say definitely The red pill has had a very much positive impact on her To the point where like the guys that I see her sort of opting for like her boyfriend is very much like me Very much, uh, very, you know, I would say lesser alpha has the same kind of hobbies that I'm into Same kind of attitude same kind of outlook towards life. Um, and I would I I don't think that that's a coincidence This is going to help her fight the college indoctrination by the That's it right there all And you know, it's you know, it's funny is like people always say well, you know, you can't you can't have a red pill marriage You know, you can't you've got to have some compromises No, no, you don't and you know what you can live that and guess what you can have a great wonderful Successful red pill marriage and you know what you can have red pill kids too. That's why I wrote book three Was so that you know guys who are asking me all these questions about like when's the best time to introduce my sons to To the red pill well, you can find that answer in that book But I also had this entire chapter in that book which is not available anywhere else On how to raise a daughter All right, with that said let's start wrapping up gentlemen appreciate your time today a few quick announcements We recently released the iven throne speech from 21 con 2017. It's up on youtube out for free read of the world You can go to youtube.com slash 21 slash 21 hold that right up Recently or type on youtube iven throne 21 convention It's a full on speech about an hour and it's a very badass picking up a lot of views Also, there is a new red man group youtube channel. We're getting going I will put the link in the video description after this live stream ends. You can check that out subscribe We need subscribers too to get live stream going on it in different youtube features So make sure you subscribe to the new red man group channel Finally tickets to 21 con 2018 in orlando florida this october 11 to the 14th are almost sold out We have 37 left as of this morning And that's assuming more didn't sell during the show which they may have I don't know but I'll find out soon 37 tickets left and your last chance to save $400 on your ticket is july 31st So a couple days from now To get tickets look in the description for this video or go to the 21 convention dot org That's dot org not dot com And you can also go to the speaker's websites such as uh roll tamasi donovan sharp And literally like 20 other guys that are fucking awesome robert glover ryan stone Jack donovan Goldman and liege tanner guzzi on and on down the line It's an epic lineup, and it's an epic event. It is my life's work, and it's fucking awesome All these guys have been there know it for rollo Well, that said let's uh wrap up the show Yeah, rollo, you can see in the yeah, you can see in the chat there This is this is a quite and I don't know if you've addressed this directly rollo, but I think Um, I think at some point maybe write a pamphlet or a booklet on on on guys Who have daughters because that's the pervasive question I'm a red lesson. I discovered the red pill. I've got three daughters And the answer is now what the fuck like how do I like how do I do it? Um, I think a lot of guys would uh, you know, I could basically turn that chapter into a blog post You should I there you go. I am I I'll take that under consideration But yeah, I understand I get that question a lot Especially when it comes to raising kids like people have their sons and I think that's probably A little bit easier because you have some sort of frame of reference and it took me You know It was a very interesting experience for rollo to mossy to have raised a daughter from infancy to 20 years I do and of course, you know, imagine you're the boyfriend who's dating rollo to mossy's Um, I I know how not to raise a step daughter. So, um, I I can tell you what I Was not red pill when I needed to be and I can see the results now and it's it's tragic So, uh, you've been out there that are worried about that get your ship together live your life the right way Set the example for that little girl and you'll be good to go and my last comment today would be Um, I'm not shilling for 21 in orlando. I paid my money to go to this thing It's like everyone else that's on that list um Don't live with regrets in life and I have I've learned this over the years There's been things that I've not done because uh, it's going to cost the next couple hundred dollars Really don't want to spend that or I really don't want to do this I tell you what after watching all the tweets and all the comments last year after I was like, you know I I fucked up. I should have been there. I should have made some things happen at work change some things around Don't live with regrets. This is going to be a great week And I think there's people are going to walk out of there where their lives change Now some of this may just be walking out with a hangover and having a great freaking time all week I don't know where you know where you're going to lay on that scale, but uh, you know, it's Don't miss this. I mean, I'm telling you right now. This is going to be a blast I I I'll just leave you guys with this too is I I need to ask anthony this question Do you anthony? Did you say something about how we had an extra room that was attached to all this? I mean we've got the main room and then we got uh, we have a side room or something. Yeah, the champagne room I think you called it Yeah, I was gonna say that I just uh to Also to clarify on that is like it's not just about sitting there and watching speakers for you know, four days straight Which we ended up itself will be great because they're great speakers, but um, there's so much more going on outside Of the convention, um, you know in the hotels. I mean like I said, I I gave Two one-hour speeches at last year's convention and yet I think I probably talked for a good 16 or 20 hours with guys just walking through the hotel or at night You know having drinks or or at dinner or whatever else and people just stopping you to pick your brain And it's not just me this time. I mean you got access to guys like ed. Lattimore like donovan here Uh, like Ivan, uh, we got the line of dr. Sean Smith rich is gonna be and there's if you just go Let's go to the site and look at the line If you guys are anybody out there that's wondering about dominant submission master's slay btsm Flogging rope tying all that shit hit me up. I love talking about that shit. I could hours talking this year Yeah, at some point text to probably be a speaker if not this year the next or something probably two events next year Listen, I'm definitely there's guys out there who are into that man. Oh fuck. Yeah Dude, text is the man a donovan two of the stamp. I'm gonna get that stamp I gotta get a stamp man. I gotta have a stamp hashtag donovitz property and for those of you out there Who want the type of woman who will allow you allow you to stamp their name on her ass donovan sharp.com T is on prime time monday through thursday evenings 7 p.m. Eastern for pacific Yeah, for all the viewers actually check out the description for this video and you'll find not just a link to tickets But also all the speakers in the show And all the good stuff like that redmond group channel So everybody has twitters and stuff like that we'll put in there a lot of cool stuff Hell yeah, i'ma wrap it up guys the live stream We could stay on the call privately everyone else next tune in tune in next week It should be on 21 studios. Otherwise, you can only check uh entrepreneurs and cars as well adios