 Okay, you remember this one, right? Yeah, so Dr. Pin von Lommel writes this paper Michael Schermer scientific American says hey this thing strikes a blow against Yeah, in my opinion No, yeah, you can't you can't The guy when you have when you write a science paper I'm saying that he thinks that it supports the that you know the monist position of Holy brain and no, I didn't say that I said that's my opinion. No, what you said is right up on the screen You said that this study delivers a blow to the idea that mine I read the study I said it delivers a blow. Yeah, that's right. That would be like me saying your book Heavens in earth heavens on earth delivers a blow against the Neurological model that consciousness is tied. No, I would be I could do that. I could do that I could do that, but I would be misrepresenting Your position I wouldn't be fair to my audience if I told my audience. Hey Michael Schermer thinks That's not the case, but I think that's the case. That's one thing But to say that that his book Without putting into context delivers a poll and and the evidence of this is clear I mean you have dr. Penn von Lommel coming at you saying hey, this is This is completely wrong. My research argues exactly the opposite, but I don't want to go He may argue for that, but I think his research points in the opposite direction It does not point to consciousness beyond life It points to powerful neurological experiences that people Misrepresent as floating off into the ether somewhere So let's get at that. Let's tell me what you think in your opinion that you studied this extensively When the person is up by the ceiling looking down What is the medium or platform that holds the Thoughts and memories and and how do you see something without a without a visual apparatus without a break? How does an ethereal spirit see anything? Again and and I repeat myself, but I really feel strongly about this is that I don't think we have to to falsify the existing Model of mind equals brain and we should never look beyond that Is a huge step and to take that step allows us to then begin to answer those questions I don't think we have to have those questions answered in order to say this is what the data is telling us This is what the scientists are telling us