 Hey guys welcome back to my youtube channel this is Daniel Rosal here we are going to be doing another brief Turkish coffee adventure today specifically comparing the grind size between two very interesting hand grinders from different parts of the world one is going to be the best known Turkish manual hand grinder the sozen its design has remained pretty much unchanged since the time of the Ottoman Empire and the second is going to be the Orphan Espresso Lido II now this is on the OE Lido II this is where I use for Turkish I have it marked off with stickers and as you can see it's just a tiny bit shy of the end of the setting this is as far as the bird will go and it's a Swiss made very high quality bird that they put in these manual grinders so that's where I keep it and of course the nice thing about the OE II is that it's stepless so if you have someone in the family who prefers a course of grind my wife for instance drinks pour over coffee I love Turkish the cool thing about this is that you can kind of have one manual grinder for everyone whereas the Turkish coffee grinders from sozen etc really only do variations of very fine Turkish powder so I've loaded coffee beans here into my sozen and I'm going to put some into the OE Lido II I buy my coffee from a place called Izzymans in Jerusalem they've been making coffee for quite some time and it's excellent so the most of similar sort of top loading mechanisms and it's important not to fill either too much you can use a sort of catcher or just do it by hand I just do it by hand so here you can see how much coffee there is and we're going to now get to the actual grinding part the the exercise so in terms of ease of grind I actually think that the sozen is easier something about it is just more fluid takes about the same amount of time and effort to produce enough grind coffee for one cup of Turkish using both of these machines now the Lido I know you're not really supposed to hold it by the glass like I'm doing so don't try this at home it does come with the table top thing to stabilize it but it's just kind of a bit jerkier you can see it kind of stops a couple of times and as I said I'm using this guy pretty much almost at the very end as fine as it will go really past espresso level fineness and into the Turkish territory but it does both and OE also make a more specific grinder for Turkish Nespresso called the Lido ET right so I'm going to put I two little glass bowls and I did my best to show you guys the fine differences between the two grinds so this is the OE and this is the sozen that I'm pouring into the little glass bowl here on the right and I did some close-up shots to hopefully show you guys and any sort of minute differences between the two grinds you can see them at first glance they look pretty similar but let's take a look at some really zoomed-up footage so firstly we have the sozen it's kind of nice and powdery and this is the grind resulting from the OE Lido 2 to be honest there's very little in the finest at least as far as I can see if you feel differently feel free to correct me in the comment they're both definitely good enough for Turkish now I didn't use cardamom in this video I just I just used pure coffee which I actually is what I drink most of the time to be honest and yeah they both do a decent job of getting to Turkish so there is of course a big price difference between a sozen grinder and an OE Lido the Lido's come in at about 175 dollars they're bulkier they're heavier they're more expensive but I think they're kind of nicer countertop additions as I said a big advantage being that you can use them for french press coffee for pour over coffee for espresso for Turkish they're definitely more versatile but for traveling and probably face the safe to say if it was the only me drinking coffee in the house I think I saved the cash and go with my sozen thank you guys for watching this video I hope it was interesting more videos on Turkish coffee and other subjects coming soon to this YouTube channel