 up man YouTube what's up man this is the needed podcast episode 64 man we had a long two weeks did not have a podcast last week because of the tournament and tournament went cool I hope you guys watched a lot of people play we're gonna talk a lot about people watching people play and pretty much the things involved in that and the things I wish we could change as a community as when I say community I mean us like us that be in the pockets us you know 200 300 man players you're saying or guys that's really hooked on this competitive man and those are the people that you know this is this podcast is for it is on sub only chat man if you want to get involved please hit that sub this week I had crossed over a hundred or a thousand subs on Twitch you can watch these podcasts live you can watch me play man live twitch.tv slash dub dot all those links are below man and we do it we do it all the time we do we play Madden for free for a bunch of people to watch and it's something to talk about a little bit but my games I will be honest this was a very winnable tournament for me it was very winnable I think I was playing really good John Madden football lost the rage in the game I thought I should have never lost should I feel like if I go play that game 10 times I win 10 of them lost that game but I won't get into that game then honestly I really wasn't the biggest fan of double elimination I liked it though they hit it and quit it the one the one time only type of you know the single elimination I kind of like that but at the same time I obviously double elimination gives you another chance you get another breath of life you know and I'm shot a little man in the chat with the sub I appreciate it we will talk about the people that did advance to the live event which is going to be two weeks from now or I guess a week and a half something like that but um so we got to double elimination and I played piano man if you guys don't know piano man has kind of been around for a long time well since the MCS air has always been a super sweaty pretty good player pretty decent knows what he's doing and really is going to grind out a game so I know it'll be a tough game and I said I felt like I played in this game versus piano I played like my best game I played really well was not able to get touchdowns was not able to really spread the lead I'm really kind of get a stop honestly um but I did have a blast this last week playing man this was like I don't honestly personally I'm not the biggest club series fan I feel like I've expressed that to you guys the most a lot on here um draft champions or these online tournaments where everybody plays at the same time everybody's locked in everybody has their back like I just feel like it's a different vibe I feel like there's no you don't really pick who you play you don't really pick who you get to avoid you just kind of go out there you get put in a bracket and we all played during that week I feel like it's a different different attitude is a different it's just a different feeling in the air for the for the draft champions and honestly I had a lot of fun and for me this was probably the most I've I've lied I probably went to this tournament probably on about 75% you know all in this far locked in I played a lot during the week I really practiced and tried to get better I got to think obviously bugs and skimbo and Taylor gang probably played the most my man can't actually help me out too so those guys really helped me get better and everything like that so for me it definitely was fun I had a fun week it's entertaining I hope you guys enjoyed watching Madden I I like DC let's I mean well I don't know you guys played in the tournament you guys watched the tournament I generally really liked it I mean looking back at it after after losing in the DC tournament looking back and then playing weekend league I'm sending myself man DC was pretty good you know it was a pretty good experience I mean I feel like I didn't get cheated I feel like nobody got any flukey stuff on me I felt like it was a good game mode now I really do I thought everything was pretty fair looking back I thought my team was pretty ass and we're gonna get to that as I get to this last game that I lost and as we talk about I lost man I come on here you guys watch me you guys watch me all the time man you guys watch me all the time on the podcast on you know playing man everything and I laugh at all you guys and equally that's one of my biggest goals is to laugh at all you guys man and and and ultimately you can't respect somebody that laughs at everybody but never takes the time to laugh at themselves you know if you are somebody that's going to critique everybody and being in position to critique everybody you have to be absolutely able to critique yourself and able to laugh at yourself and I'm be honest with you guys I was kind of sick after that game I was like there was the most I've ever wanted to fight like you guys in my life like I say that a lot but after that pick I'll be honest that that that was I was kind of sick like cuz y'all held back no punches like it was no punches held back in the chat and I was kind of hot I really felt like I really felt like y'all were mean like really mean I'm saying that I felt like I felt like bro that was one time I really felt like that I really wanted to I was hot I'm be honest and you guys know I feel like I deal no I honestly feel like I deal with the trolls as well as anybody in the world I deal with people you know trolling me as well as anybody seriously I really do I really do feel like I feel like you guys at the end of the day you guys can give me that is that I deal with people to me as well as anybody honestly and I was actually super hot dude I really was like for like it was like a good five minutes I was hot and uh no I was like no yeah exactly that's how I feel and that's how I mean I know most of the time when my friends lose I really don't hit them up until they hit me up or I wait a while wait like a week it Clef was in there everybody was just killing me bro and I felt like bro and I really was like I was hot for a minute I turned off the stream but then I went into the discord I talked to bugs and user and they killed me and it was good I had to like now I had to talk about it I had to go talk to my friends about I had to let them kill me and like laugh about it you know I had so I couldn't like disappear like I'm not a thing man if I like don't talk about it if I disappear if I just stayed on myself that's when like the depression kicks in but literally I turned the stream off I go over click on the discord I go talk to bugs and Tray and user and just I just laughed it off really man that's the best way for me to do it a J-rock yeah exactly bro that's how it is man everybody was being mean I'm really I'm be honest bro it was being mean but exactly buster that's how I feel man but I said it's I deal with the trolls as well as anybody I didn't kill you guys nobody will ever get banned but let's get to this game I'm gonna go and you guys can kill me again if you want YouTube you guys can kill me again if you guys want to as well um this game I feel like I played a great game this game I did not score touchdowns I at the point I'm looking right now at 16 points so that equals nine field goals that's a lot of field goal opportunities for the team honestly and saying I feel like that's a lot of field goals for the team but essentially he got the ball back with as we're looking here he gets the ball let me see can I put my bra get the chat back in here there goes the chat all right so he like listen honestly so he gets the ball back right here boom I will tell you that there's a minute left he needs a touchdown one of my biggest flaws with my team and that I really began to hate you know began to hate was that my secondary sucked I had Marlon Humphrey was my best corner I had apki I had to play him a corner just because he was my second fastest player I have Abram who Abram was kind of a goon but his own coverage is really low like 75 bro it really was bad and then I had Dawkins who Dawkins as you guys if you guys watch these games I'll pipe them up he made some plays for me I can't get mad at him but at the end of the day he was 88 speed and he's six foot tall which isn't the worst height but 88 speed is brutal so this was the weakness of my team you know and in this situation he's going to hit a streak down the middle of the field with no other like not a streak outside not a corner route not corner routes literally just a streak down the middle you know and uh for me this was the biggest honestly I'm not mad at this at this I'm not I don't want to say I'm mad at this play chat you guys could tell me but I feel like if I have a Palomalu or an ed read yeah but I'm saying of course I'm ran covered too but this is my point I carry him down the field boom I feel like a little bit faster safety makes that play am I tripping maybe I'm tripping maybe that was just a beamer maybe that was a beamer uh I just I feel like if I got a 90 speed safety he makes a play right there but that's neither here nor there that doesn't matter because as a man player if you need a field goal and you have 50 seconds right you have 50 seconds that's all that's all I'm saying carry is that I feel like a faster safety makes a player Dawkins did make tons of plays throughout the tournament he really did I yeah I wasn't gonna run there I wasn't gonna run all the way down the field with bush I really I mean if you got that's I wasn't gonna run all the way down the field with bush I carry them so he couldn't just seem streak me then I came down on the crosser but I could see if there was two corner routes and they opened up the safeties but for I just feel like there's no way like that Dawkins doesn't play this you know I just feel like if he's a little bit faster if he's a little bit faster he makes that play and I said that's a great throw Andre Reed is 92 speed great throw right there but anyway doesn't matter because I have 51 seconds and three timeouts to get a field goal but I will say I probably could have played better defense there and sometimes defense lets you down you know and and right there they kind of let me down and I ultimately I got to know who my players are and not put in position uh to uh really do that uh policy I honestly to put the past kind of surprised me I didn't think he would just try to throw that with no like there's a play in the game earlier where he tried to put two streaks like a streak in the middle street one outside was more prepared to click on and pick it off uh for me so that past they kind of surprised me that he would try to just throw a streak right up the middle like that it was a good play so maybe I click on one was a little bit late and right here as you notice look I come out on a play I want to run this play because I look I have 50 seconds no timeouts I need a chunk play I have not run this trade why flex all game at all right and I call the dagger play and what happens is he he's going to pause the game right here and what does that mean is that he's setting up a new defense and he's doing his positional subs for a new defense he's been running nickel normal the whole game so right now I already know that he's either coming out in three four or some type of two three six or some type of dollar he is not going to come out in nickel normal again I already know that and I'll tell you all I'm going to do is snap the shit out this ball and try to hit the Shawn Jackson if I get this I get 20 yard play snap the hell out the ball he's on Vita Vaya he drops back allows me to step up and I'm gonna hit this pass over here to DJ boom touchdown DJ was my best route runner call a timeout I'm saying no this is a piano man piano man so I'll call that timeout and I never play I'm 44 seconds I after I catch that pass I feel really really good I feel really good right that's why I'm gonna do the same thing I call the timeout the Shawn Jackson's healthy we're gonna quick snap this again he's actually on the corner just back let me hit my man McCaffrey just that was just a shitty as I look back that was a shitty shitty shitty run right there honestly I really thought it would I feel like I could have got more yards on that maybe if I just spend instantly I can get that if I spend instantly right there I went for a juke trying to catch that maybe I just spend instantly I can get some more yards on that but I'm closing on field goal range I really am I called another timeout I have third I have 37 seconds left I have all the time in the world you know so we're going back to the doubles maybe mixing the inside zone my run game is ass and I feel like Chad if you guys have watched me play my run game is ass it really is I because I suck I'm not good at it I don't do it enough I'm really not good at running the ball I've come to a huge conclusion in this game that I'm not good at running the ball I'm not I'll just go here with a little drag over here to DJ that's a beautiful play by me I thought beautiful pocket presence let me look at that again man I just honestly I felt like I played such a good game in this game boom laser right now I want to see what what defensive plays as I go and spike it so I save my timeout this again I feel like this is just two men under am I tripping with some zones that's exactly what it is to me two hard flats two men under with two hard flats boom I thought that was a great play I spiked so I saved my timeout I could I could have called my timeout to save more time I don't know but so then I had this is the player the game bro he has run honestly I personally do not know if and this is the first mistake Chad I don't know if my kicker can make this I don't know what the wind is these are my first mistakes and all of this stuff is just just I don't know what the word is just it will prepared or just not locking in the right way not not remembering but honestly for me for me I feel like all of this goes with just not being super locked in I definitely had kicked three field goals for nine points and honestly it's something I should remember and it's a flaw as a man player and it's not about making reads it's not about having stick it's not about having good defense it's really just a little shit that you got to try to remember and for me I'm assuming that I cannot make this field goal also I'm assuming that I kicked three field goals all of which were laggy all of which were not perfect I did not like my field goals also I do not want to kick a field goal in this situation no I do not want to kick a 55 yard ice field goal to win the game I don't also in this situation I will never run the ball unless it's like I don't know how to explain it especially when he has a timeout to ice me if I lose a yard is GGs even I don't think there's any run in the game that will guarantee you one yard I really don't I really don't think I really don't think there's one you know what I'm saying chat what would you guys think the one run that can guarantee you one yard uh and honestly I don't think one yard would have did it no no I don't think but inside zone I know inside zone I haven't been getting any yards really on inside zone to be honest so for me and for me if he blows up inside zone I lost that's my point if he blows up the run the game is over it's going to be 10 seconds and I have no timeouts you know what I'm saying bro but proud I'm telling you I it's it's it's what I've been doing the whole game it's like it's like it's not that it's not that it was getting popped it wasn't terrible it's not that it was getting popped it just wasn't good enough for me to rely on especially in this situation yeah especially in this situation where I rely I rely on uh I rely on what you call it I I'm just relying on the run and for me to call inside zone there was pretty obvious but and I'll ask you guys this I'll ask you guys this is that one uh Christian McCaffrey should have been in the game I guess he was tired I don't know maybe who knows but anyway I asked you guys this what are you thinking on defense here now this is a man that literally has been running two man under pretty much the whole game he has really good corners I know he has Tillman in the slide he has a couple of other guys what are you thinking on defense on defense you can't give up the run on defense you can't you can't give up anything short you really can't give up shit honestly so for me uh I'm going to pass because I do not rely on the run I I do I cannot rely on a run if I would have relied on a run and uh lost yards here I would have not honestly would I wouldn't be streaming right we would be done with man for life I can never rely on a run to get me a yard so uh I I never would think somebody would run commit and part of that is a flaws man player because I would never run commit in this situation maybe I don't know I don't know if I'd ever run commit I feel like run commit has been such a just a bad thing to do I don't know just like I feel like it's not been a part of competitive man for like two years now you know yeah that's what I'm thinking I would never run me personally as a player I would never run commit especially because I feel like in shotgun I can blow up the inside zone for a loss of yards I can blow up you know what I'm saying okay we're sending the crib this is what I would think and I honestly I might have been with this field goal but I do feel like if the wind was against me I wasn't making this field goal and so I'm thinking we're going to go something short passing wise wherever you guys see me audible I go to the pa read and have two short routes listen this is what I saw that that ruined the play for me one million percent ruined the play for me literally the kids been running two men under the whole game I see him user this safety instead of one of the linebackers and that's what changed my my thoughts once he did that once he took this safety down here and I said he's on him so I'm thinking I have man coverage right here he's going to do everything he can to shoot down here with the extra safety to stop the run right that's why your user is safety away from the inside zone that is what I'm thinking he is going to take this safety and be an absolute asshole to try to stop underneath shit and try to stop the run thus leaving my 95 speed and 94 speed dudes on islands that is what I'm thinking and I say I have not thrown the ball deep all game I am going to put Hester on a streak up the middle of the field he is going to fall asleep on this because in in man to man I like Hester on this guy for a touchdown that's all I'm thinking because he's going I figure he's going to put a bunch of short zones shade underneath play real aggressive underneath here and I'll be honest with you guys shut I want to touchdown I don't want to kick a field goal I don't make between me and you I don't want to kick a field goal so then I motion this guy over I put him on a whip route another thing about my team that sucked these dudes are fast but none of these dudes can run fucking routes so I put him on a whip route he runs with him I have this this is he's look at his lineup bro I am salivating at Devin Hester right here I think he's usuring this safety he is going to not give a fuck about a 40-yard bomb in this situation of the game there is no chance that he lurks this streak route instead of all these underneath routes and also I feel like he's playing the run so his user from the snap is going to already be right here there is no way in hell in this situation he plays this streak that is 1 million percent what is going through my head 1 million percent never thought about a run commit because obviously if I was prepared for a run commit I just snapped though the X so what I'm thinking is this is man coverage when the play happens boom my initial when I first read a play the box is pretty much what I look at right chat that's pretty much what I look at boom the box right he I see he's blitz and six I don't even look at this side of the field don't even look at it my interaction is 1 million percent with these three people and this is this this goes to the fact that I did not expect a run commit if it's just inside these guys are kind of bagged by just man coverage I gotta wait to go to post and also if it's just the blitz he's going to lurk over here that's what I'm thinking he is not going to stay on the street there is no way a fucking cycle stays on the streak there's no way especially when you cannot give up a fucking yard cannot give up a yard he's gonna guard a 40 yard streak and if you look initially at the play my eyes are here right my eyes are here does Charles Tillman run commit chat does he run commit how the fuck is everybody but him run committing seriously this is one million like literally cover this side of the fucking screen this is what I'm looking at but my point is he would have 1 million percent been open if he leaves a loser there's no way he's running with Hester down the field and I would have took that shot there's no way so this is the flaw in the play is that I never really looked to the left of the field and and this is what crazy and this was crazy is that because he's manned up right because the initial half second of the play he's manned up I that makes it even more of a reason for him to stop fucking guarding them if he would have blissed and ran commit right away I would have thought damn maybe not now honestly maybe um what should we call it maybe maybe he's going to uh maybe he's going to cover him if he was wide open maybe he would he would have covered him but he was covered from the initial snap of the ball right chat he's fucking covered he's covered why would you keep running with him so then the play breaks down and he still runs with him and for some reason he like he he sends him on the blitz I guess he clicks in his right stick so now he blitzes so at this point I'm locked in on this month I'll be real I don't know why the hell if you run commit and you can't give up a yard that you still guard this guy to me that is fucking insane bro and so now I'm locked in I feel like and mentally my head these route combos by the time if it wasn't a run commit let's remove that it's not a run come because that was never in my head till after the play if it's not a run commit I feel like these routes are kind of my by the time I get back to them they're kind of already broken down like it's kind of not a throw and then he does he does lurk me a little bit man he lures me but then but then what the fuck like like I at the point how I feel like I still had him how does he beat me to this fucking football I roll eight fucking speed eight speed bro he ran commit everybody else was open down I tell you we're not even looking at bro he smoked me I beg I wanted to bump him and I thought I'd be fast enough to rack that bitch bro y'all y'all really just did not listen to should I say I'm never I'm literally it's like y'all don't it's like y'all really I'm done I'm done y'all didn't really shit I said I did make my mind up before the play started I anticipated I did not react that well yeah the streak was getting thrown because I feel like every I feel like every every single every single read that I made before the snap like I feel like every read I made before the snap said that streak was going to be open that's all that's every single read every single pre snap read I made told me that that streak was going to be open that's it that's how I felt the Hester jersey made it worse man made it worse made it worse never again I'm really want to burn that shit on stream really I'm just telling y'all why why that was why I wanted that's what I wanted what I went to in the entire time way I'm not telling y'all I'm open minded I'm telling you motherfuckers that is why I that is like I'm telling you what went through my mind bro hey I thought I'd be fast enough Trey I thought I'd be fast enough to bump him and rack agate honestly that's what I thought you know I might burn the jersey it might happen it might happen that's I'm just telling y'all why why what I was thinking that's all but I really did not think you would run commit and that between the two biggest things is not knowing where I could kick the ball like not knowing where I could kick the where I could kick the ball from and also not being prepared for a run commit bro honestly that's those were the two things that really uh I feel like nickel normal kills inside zone I wasn't gonna run inside zone at all yeah I didn't honestly I did not expect a run commit I really didn't and then for him to stay on that street the whole my man cannot give up a fucking yard he can't give up a slant a drag a zig a hitch a run a post he can't give a catch he cannot give anything he can't give up shit you know what I'm saying he can't go and he just guard the streak so good play I mean the run commit was psycho I really I did not expect it and that's my fault it really is one million percent my fault just not not being fully prepared was the problem man why ain't throw the other streak I'm in the uh the movement this court deck is the goal like what hunter bro thanks for yo take 10 minutes to think about yourself bro yo what's the word that'd be I know you ain't I know you ain't go you you ain't gonna have all these excuses for this throw I'm not having no excuses I'm listen I thought I thought it be open bro I thought I had I thought I thought I broke down my mindset very well man here's a question well how when was he on his safety before what point in this game before the play he was never never never no no he never was on his safety the whole game never never you know that's the that's the easiest way to tell run commit I just would never I just never would ever think I run commit ever in my life I feel like that's like the number one tell for all players I feel like when playing linebacker all game and then they're on safety and like weird spot I feel like for me that was I'm playing two men under and I'm just going to take this guy and go alert the first the first read that you get or some type of blitz or something like that that's why I never would think run commit and then when I showed it his slot corner did not run commit he kept running for the first 10 yards yeah that was weird yeah so it's like he was gonna run the whole time yeah so for him he came down because he sent he sent I don't know why again that shit was dumb too he sent the spire or he just clicked the right thing dude yeah so that's the first person I looked at on the play was what his user was doing and what that corner was doing and they didn't run commit so my first read is not oh it's a run commit because he's still running man coverage so the first thing I say is there's if you got man coverage there is no way you run in double the streak in that situation there's no way I don't know but I said yeah I didn't know where I could kick the ball from and I did not expect to run commit that's all if I expect one of those two things I mean I didn't if I was playing again I probably would assume it was just weird pre-snap seeing that but I don't know I probably I probably don't even notice it I ain't gonna lie I'm probably coming out snapping I'm snapping inside the zone I ain't gonna lie to you bro I'm ass I can't run I really can't like that whole tournament I tried to run and bro it's just it just it just don't work we get one yard we get two yards I tried to go I'll tell you why these come back bro so I streamed the game I played rage in the in the regular tournament or in a winners board to the first tournament so I played it for I play a game right winning the game all right as soon as I win the game here go rage in my chat matter of fact fourth quarter W ready he ready to play me I come out that motherfucker he run commit and he's shooting every gap of every little run that I did I would sit bro like what like every audible down he ran commit he's tackling my running back in the backfield for loss of five I'm like bro like I'm a second and 15 every drive it's like Jesus Christ so for me the run the run was I almost felt like the run was kind of getting me bad spot and then for me to run that to run the ball there it's all up to that one run and then like what's my like like if I don't get it the game's over pretty much I'm like I can't do anything else but throw something to the sideline so it's just tough to rely on one run for me when it wasn't really popping that much to be honest well that's why I mean once that play call happened I mean you sent out yeah the whip route digger out and the post I feel like I had I had great routes but once I saw him user and safety I there's no way he just plays a deep half with his with his user there's no way but he did wasn't god bless and then at the same time I thought that at the time I thought David has to be fast enough he wasn't fast enough but yeah the shit the parsley thing is a bit bad too if you go past lead luck to the right corner I don't think he gets there I tried to put that bitch through I mean like you can only throw it so far yeah I don't know all right I'm running fuck it I'm running and you know what you know what this play reminds me of when you do this what's that oh Jimmy Graham my throat against you yeah well you had nothing else to throw the difference is you had nothing else to throw I could hit any other button no but the difference is that I could hit any other button you couldn't throw any other button that's the difference shit yeah yeah yeah for sure but not that you want to hear I do want to talk about the substreams and the tournaments and all these things because it was something I was going to talk about I didn't know you want to be on here but oh yeah I'm bullshitting right now what's up that's how I feel about the substream because I feel like I was the only person that did that and a couple other people but for me I feel like I feel like ultimately we we decide the market for this competitive Madden thing you know and we stream Madden um all that you know every day for free for you know hundreds of people to watch us play Madden also the streaming part one million percent downgrades your chances of winning a DC tournament one million percent it's worse than any other mode like I said raise new all my plays new all my playbooks they knew the players I drafted they knew my backups they knew absolutely everything about what I wanted to do everything right and so for us and for us to not put a price on watching eight games a year you know I think ultimately we set the value of what it's worth you know I'm saying and if we value it more it's going to make other people value it and honestly for me if these people that want to watch these games which are amazing games right if they want to watch them if they if they don't want to spend five dollars in support then they really don't want to watch them at bed that's kind of how I feel about it and I feel like if we do it together and say you know this is something that we value at X amount then there's really then ultimately and you know that that is what dictates the market and what uh you know makes this a higher value than what it's been honestly and I want to know how you feel about it and why you chose to do it for everybody yeah I mean honestly I just feel like um there's always people out there that are gonna support you that that you see people in your stream that watch you they come in your stream every day they may not sub every time like they may you know their sub badge just appears takes them a little bit to reset over they get gifted a sub so and then a lot of them are like people that watch us are younger so you know they may not have a credit card or whatever I mean they may not have five dollars a sub so letting them watch um I feel like your most important games like they're gonna watch you play tournaments they're those the same people that gonna root for you in the EA streams why block them from rooting you rooting for you from um what's it called uh your online elimination games um and then it's like I still feel some people are gonna sub regardless like of you just still doing it maybe I mean clearly not as many but the people that sub to you you know uh I also feel like if you do it that way like you may lose some people you know um that may rock with you oh this dude like I know on church it's been like a little touchy subject like some people believe like sub streams are a good thing some feel bad me I mean I don't I haven't tested it you know I mean I feel like why not let everybody watch at this point I don't feel like I don't feel like we are big enough I don't feel like my brand is big enough for sure like I was speaking for myself like to where I'm like taking people that away from watching like for instance that game that last game against kmax there was like 2,500 people in there like and I feel like that yeah um go ahead I just I just feel like that game uh if you're a fan of man you should you should be able to pay five dollars to one of the other person to watch the game you know and I think I think how is the is it going to grow if we don't put our foot down and say this is worth x amount of money this is worth five dollars you know and on top of that you know if we're all three of us around a thousand sub that's a thousand people that that rock what you regardless that and people that rock with you when you're playing fortnight so ultimately you have to remember that these streams are essentially for those guys you know saying that are there regardless and those guys get to watch it you know the other people are cool but I mean at the end of the day if you want to come in here like you said 2,500 people watching so you have 1,500 people or something that's not normally there in a regular stream I'm saying so all of a sudden you want to watch now it's like bro I feel like we can elevate the value of the product and we dictate what it's worth and at the end of the day we can never short short sell you know how great we are at Madden honestly and and with you're in that tournament then for me it's like you are a top hundred man player in the whole world you know you are playing a five thousand dollar game of Madden and if people don't want to spend five dollars to support the guys that are you know downgrading their chances of winning said five thousand dollar game then I mean do they really want to watch competitive man honestly that that's pretty much how I feel and I think and to your point about you know there's people that rock what you that can't afford one million percent I agree with that but at the same time you know those people like I know those people that are in here all the time I'm saying not necessarily man there's a lot of lurkers okay well then the lurkers the lurkers then why can't a lurker say what's up how are you for for you know the two three five six years we've been streaming why can't why don't I have a relationship lurkers lurkers make up like majority of your chat 100% but but are those the guys majority of your chat is lurking and then you block them from watching it's like oh I mean what's the problem with that you still get paid from ad revenue and like I said you may lose you want to so say majority of those who's that are lurking they're watching you put it in sub modeling they feel some type of way I don't know you lose whatever percentage you still I mean that's still money you lose on the back end from from them watching ads you know maybe they do sub at some point you know what I mean you don't it's hard to tell who's subbing you know what I mean too that's another thing I mean for me it's hard to tell like how much is this guy type how much does this guy lurker like there's no way to really tell I just feel like you know the people that that's really rocking what you and his fan of you and his enjoys your stream and enjoys your content and you know like generally supports you because you talk to them you know who they are that's how I feel and ultimately if that person said I can't sub that's somebody you can either mod up and because mods go watch it or you could just gift them a sub that's how I feel about it I feel like the person lurking in the shadows like and and honestly just I feel if someone that lurks in the shadows every man stream I put it on sub only for the biggest games of the year you know four or five games nothing crazy for the after I watch people after I allow people to watch me play mad and for free for hundreds of games I put it on sub only for five games that person leaves then was that person really rocking with me at all that that's pretty much how I feel about it I'm saying and I feel like we like I said we control the value of our content and this and we have I feel like we have the value of more honestly yeah I hear that I also feel like um you know madden on twitch isn't as as um popular as you know some of the other games that I feel like they don't even they don't do that you know I mean like games that are leaving a little bigger like this call of duty they do that to their stream where they put it in sub only I haven't seen that and I don't know and then these you know winner royale and yada yada yada they don't do sub only so it's like no I feel like I feel like I feel like we're just blocking off people our game is different you know what I'm saying it's different it's I think it's 1 million percent a just such a detriment for you to win the game that honestly it's it's 1 million percent stupid to stream madden games especially dc tournament games it is it's terrible you know and I think you know and people want to do it for the culture do it for this do it for that you know I feel like if people want to watch it at bed it's worth five dollars especially for you know the five ten people that actually streamed the games that that's how I feel about it yeah now if everybody I don't even think the chair in the room I don't think you're wrong I don't think I don't necessarily feel like I'm wrong I feel like there's a different you prove that you you know game you said there's a couple hundred people that sub to you I probably went from 700 subs to 950 subs and you know what I'm saying so for me that was a lot yeah I mean that's definitely you know and I said I said don't watch and I watched it I watched you guys stream and you guys stream the biggest games of y'all year you know I'm saying it was a great game and I shoot I don't know I just feel like I don't feel like I don't feel like like I said if it's shoot you're proving you're proving that your side is you know uh financially it worked out you know I mean so now ultimately if we all do it it's like I'm saying then the value of the games go up that much more you know and then then they can't really it's really nowhere to go you know I feel like I feel like every streamer even if you know your brand is not that good if you're playing a $5,000 game of Madden I mean I feel like it was worth supporting somebody that's streaming that that's how I feel and if the people that don't want to do that do they really want to watch competitive madden is it really that big of a passion for them honestly not so but we'll see yeah I see what you're saying what are y'all thoughts on it what do y'all think I mean that dude so that dude 602 all right the 1,000,000% cannot make more money open it you can't make more money well it would open up I feel you can make more money making it open because like you gonna get off you gonna get off three minutes ads or six ads after the game you know I just feel like I know but you so you may gain you know a couple hundred followers maybe they watch later down the road that's what I'm saying there's no way to calculate like say all right so say you're in sub only how many people are watching no I probably had 400 500 people sub only 400 400 500 if it wasn't sub only let's just let's just assume there was 1500 I run one block of ads as fast as I can when the games are when I lose you know that 180 seconds don't boom all right okay nobody watching that yeah you don't strain so you don't understand this talk yeah like you don't know you got no choice you got no choice keep it there keep it there Noah until you get that little check mark next to your name don't talk about no ads anyways so just say you had a thousand more people yeah you get you convert you know let's just say 30% of those dudes for 300 they come back to your shame you don't know how many ads are going to watch it down the road you know what I'm saying so like you you can you you will potentially make money from them and maybe they sub down the road too yeah well like I wish there was a way to calculate it you know what I'm saying but there's really not so I just feel this about 200 plus subs is good though yeah but to me it's like you guys you notice that ultimately streaming is about the grind and the commitment and doing it really you're never going to make a stream off of one tournament you know that's then that's for the you know not for us but for you know the smaller streamers and stuff one tournament is not going to make one stream in one game and having a thousand people in there for one hour is never going to make your stream you know super pop it's really about the consistency consistency honestly and that's uh and that's pretty much what makes a stream grow and that's what helps you gain those followers all the time that you're talking about but yeah I just I just feel like I just feel like it's worth it and you know for for people to pay five dollars to watch some of the biggest games in the world you know as much as they want people to stream and they want people to you know really uh stream these games and really put their and put a handicap on them winning these games then honestly should definitely uh pay five dollars to see that's how I agree JD what you're saying about they need to pay man even like I swear to god man 17 it was like we'll give you a bundle we'll give you a hundred dollars worth of much shit or something I feel like they could make how dudes be doing little red zone channels I feel like why couldn't they do that you know yeah you know like let's we're gonna go live there for five they had they've done it before man 17 they did it Gibbs and Farrell's one million percent did that one million percent I remember I remember and listen there's no reason there's no reason with them their ability with drops there's no reason at the very minimum drop should be active in your channel when you're streaming it's running again this is yeah that they can do that too the same way that that when they're active when they're streaming they're turning again I mean I mean once they what you pass whatever you know um qualifications or whatever they may have like a list of things or not you can't do this just whatever it may be as long as you're you check off all that there's no reason drop shouldn't be active in your stream yeah for sure I know something where just like we had that this thing you could have a section of that discord the mad liars be like already streaming and then you could put your links in that discourse so they know whether it's me you or you know Larry down the street they know who's streaming what games and when essentially you know and they can actually this is another topic I don't know if you want to get into this but like EA they have a lot of people that watch these mutt things right mutt streams like you do madden live I've done a few um like they there should be some sort of application from all madden streamers you know I mean once you get to a certain like all madden streamers should be able to apply for this if you check just like a twitch partnership if you check off these things you can get this drop partnership with them where drops can be active in your chat a couple times a week maybe they limit it you could do it three streams a week or whatever there's no reason that they can't do that they're giving away fucking four car packs with one gold player in it you know what I mean just the fuck about those and then it's like that would help out all of the all of the streamers um and this is not to mention like some of the giveaways that they offer like okay so you streamed our game 100 hours in two weeks or 100 hours this month we're going to give you fucking three cards to give away on your stream like why like this this is stuff that just needs I don't want to feel entitled either but I feel like we are advertising their game for them you know what I mean like we're literally advertisers for them for sure they could they could do some shit like this because this is only going to help them they're giving away virtual cars and I'm spending no money yeah three cars that are nat they can't even sell these shits also whatever you get in drops or nets no I don't know if drops are nets but the cars that okay listen y'all could pick any car you want yeah they're nat you know what I'm saying so it's like it doesn't hurt them like I don't like I said I don't understand why no certain stuff like this doesn't happen I'm not no marketing expert but I would imagine you getting you giving all these dudes more reasons to advertise your game and show you off your game mode I would only help you and then you would help the streamer so for sure no I don't know I do feel like they've done a better job this year with twitch or everything I mean I feel like people being on people just being in the man directory helps everybody honestly well I said I feel like the tournament time they could do a lot more during that week of the tournament they could have a you know a eight hour red zone every night and really get a pop and with those guys uh commentating games and just letting people know about some of these smaller streamers that do stream their tournament games man you know because out of doubt because it is it is it's shitty to stream and it's even shittier to stream a tournament game and then you look down and it's not that many people watching you that's and it's like bro how can I get this out and they can help a lot of people and just grow the community really good but they're doing all right and it's just I think tournament time the competitive side I think is neglected on twitch immensely you know and especially during the tournament like we saw this week you know yeah what do you don't think that it'll ever come a point where you have to stream your games competitively I as a streamer I wish that was the case one million percent you know but it's hard to say that yes I think it's hard to say that uh I know skimbo is one guy that lives in Oklahoma in the middle of the woods that his internet's really not that good but honestly I feel like bro if if you're a professional gamer you should have good enough internet to stream that's how I feel you know and uh that's what I mean like I don't I don't I feel like today's internet is so crazy like you can't think of anyone that has bad internet where you can't stream like the last place I live everybody's as bad as you could get and I you could I could stream with three megabytes upload speed like I feel like anyone can I feel like anyone could get that speed you know what I mean so I don't know I don't know if they ever decide to do that yeah um I think if they just like you said remember when they were giving away the bundles or whatever I think if they told these you know everyone needs stuff or last chance qualifier still if they told everyone before the draft chance listen if you guys stream your games we'll you know give you these you know five NAT cards that they did that a while back too like they granted a few NAT yeah any card you wanted or something during the right yeah pick whatever you want we'll give you yeah listen I feel like people still they would have had definitely more people it would have doubled for sure yeah easily yeah easily yeah so yeah they could they could do more and I do think I think they need like a twitch dude in the competitive side I don't know how to say like to be like can't get them hip on you know what's can get people to stream I don't know how I said three years ago two four years ago it was popping they did a lot more I just I just don't know but at the same time right was like bro I maybe I don't want everybody stream because I'm gonna stream so if nobody else is streaming then that's my opportunity to eat and so at the same time it's a win-win for me whether everybody streams or nobody streams honestly no and you should you're in a good spot I agree I agree keep killing though man I'm trying don't want to kill me that's some shit but I'm definitely some shit man I tell you this is the least I've played man offline in my life or off stream I mean like the least I haven't wanted to play and I just played bugs for the draft champion like normally I would play bugs like and you probably had somebody that you play like like all like all the time right and I would play bull blocking them okay yeah but you know like the last four years me and bulls would sit down play eight nine ten sometimes like in a row just playing and during this DC like the last three days before the time before the games was like the first time I played bulls all year so for me it's like this is the least I have wanted to play mad and off stream you know because when you play eight hours it's like I just want to do some other shit I don't want to do play mad honestly and this hurt me honestly as far as being on you know locked in and sharp really yeah I got you yeah I didn't play as I mean I don't feel like I locked in as much either I think more so just even on stream just not as much so yeah I don't know the game like I said I've said a plenty time I feel like this is the worst man I've I've ever played so unfortunately I wish it was better you got selected memory but that's cool man is better than what man is better than oh no oh no oh no okay you're only saying one yes you're right but you said the worst okay well give me one give me one argument give me one argument I'm gonna say one thing too and I could curl curls full back dive curls come on okay okay 65 overall quarterback by choice I mean by choice what is kind of fucking brutal by fucking choice it is brutal but I think curls I think curls worse I mean yeah the time the quarterback they can't throw the ball it is pretty fucking but I'm gonna put a 65 overall quarterback and throw them curls but they just think about no think about what if they have money you know they have money and oh nine like bro like everybody would have three martels bennett's or they have like Bennett like they have been it like moss and and to and then they have with like bro it would be disgusting disgusting would they have a quarterback maybe not they might run just full back diving toss shit full back dive toss was lethal oh they came out in like spike it was like quarterback kneel and all the full back dives so you could not shoot that bitch you were getting three yards I don't know it was it was bad but I mean is that yeah no quarterback is kind of brutal are they one a1b can we can we at least say that one a1b I don't know yeah I mean yeah I don't have any bad memories from Madden's like outside of the MCS other than oh nine I feel like every other game was like it has some positives like oh nine was the only one I was alright that's some trash and so for me yeah yeah yeah when you look back and see the two belts have been won with people with no desire to pass the ball like literally just you know what I mean like no desire to pass the ball like and just no thought like if they had to pass it was over and it was like that it's like that's kind of rough really especially with the but without a quarterback at all like that's kind of fucking that is I mean that's a tough argument to fight really it really just goes down to like the mechanics of the game like maybe if that run commit was in the game at that like the run commit is a little bit better now dumb dudes when you run commit down they do be shooting this shit yeah but he could have fixed that though he could have just went and had to like a you know like a base gold quarterback and a 85 speed receiver or something would have at least made him think about passing yeah yeah it was starting 12 and there was no but what was good about it it was one person that did that you know and we think about how bad it looked it wasn't like if everybody was doing this shit like at some point when it was like 750 cap or 850 cap on the Friday night football everybody was just running just running but the fact there was only one person in a 32 that played like that um I mean you got to kind of give some type of credit like bro that's smart like he executed I thought there was no chance somebody without a quarterback would win that tournament I thought it was no chance that could happen um I feel like yeah maybe selling out with no quarterback but still the same play style has been oh yeah it kind of I mean I don't think I think when you look at that that club championship tournament I felt like it was the most vast scheme wise since Madden 17 really I feel like it was a bunch of different shit people were running you know from everybody I was a bunch of different quarterbacks yeah the club the last club series tournament the final 32 I felt like it was just so it was so vast in different schemes and offenses and defenses really more than any other Madden since 17 really even probably more than 17 you know it just happened to dude with no quarterback won it was kind of nuts but it was a bunch of different schemes really from everybody I think I mean when you say different schemes would offensively when it's when you're talking about the run I don't I mean the formation damn near don't even they matter but it's not even the the it's not the formation that's just the run defense is so ass so you can run all these different forms yeah that's what I said earlier it was like the the run making it good the run being good makes a lot of formations viable really it really does like it makes everything if you can run a stretch it's pretty much give me one little pass player and a dive to it's pretty much much tough really uh and that's all good but I do think it was a bunch of different a bunch of different schemes really but it does come back to the run being good but yeah no well yeah definitely something you know that definitely needs to be toned down x-sharing but we'll see yeah I'm to the point where I'm ready to just take the game that they have and just tone it up a little bit you know if they change it they change the whole game again who knows what happens you know yeah we'll see all right man I appreciate it come by talking to the people that are always good to hear from you brother no doubt bro appreciate you all right there he is man problem right the goat hopping on the stream appreciate you're talking about sub streams and madden in general man and for me personally I I'm very passionate about the sub streams I really am I feel like I feel like sometimes when we get where we are in this this community so much and we're so submersed in the uh in the man community and being able to play madden that uh we forget how good we are at madden and how valuable you know our skill set is in madden regardless whether you're washed up like me or you're you know some guy that's just coming up and it's never streamed before or if you're one of the best players in the world you are still essentially you are still wearing a top hundred if you're in that tournament you're still wearing a top hundred players in the world you know and we have to put some type of value to that and I really think uh if if you love competitive man if something you like I'm paying five dollars to watch some of the best players in the world play huge money games is something that's that's worth it you know I really do and I feel like we should all value our gameplay and our skill set that much you know what I'm saying chat and that's how I feel about it uh that's how um that's pretty much how I'm always gonna feel about it you know we stream madden all year for free for people to just see everything that we do all our reads all our thought process all our every way we play madden we watch we just stream this for everybody for free all year so for eight games a year 10 games a year I mean if you can't pay five dollars to watch us try to execute it at the highest level I mean do you really support competitive madden you know that's all journey wants to play all start team up bro all right chat another thing speaking to journey in the chat and I want I want your guys opinion on I'm gonna ask twitter later in a week right if you guys know if you guys know um I was at the last madden club championship as a guest and for somebody that has been at the pinnacle of madden many years ago and has been to many of these events as a player and as a competitor and as somebody winning money it was tough to go to the tournament as a guest it was tough it was tough it's kind of like bro it's kind of like I don't know who to compare myself to I mean like I maybe I just don't know but for me it's like it was tough to go as a guest it was tough to have the little credential that said yes it was tough but I had fun had a great time my bugs was there user was there skimbo was there radiant was there we had a good time you understand now journey bugs tell gang they're trying to get me to go to this event for a second time you understand I might be Sydney Jones man I I might I could be dirt I could be dirt can I be dirt so for me to go and they're trying to get me to go rush you feel me they're trying to get go come out to the event again for me to go to another event as the guest is a little crazy now honestly I kind of want to go because my friends are going to be there I get to see bugs win a belt cleft going win a belt trade might win trade not going to belt but he going to be there and then here goes the worst part that's here goes the worst part that listen journey's like yeah I'm going to be out there so journey tells me this and witnesses was crazy journey tells me this journey's like yeah I'm going out so for me I'm like damn journey oh you going out oh yeah that's what's up then I thought about so hold up you commentating are you he like yeah you know I'm not paying to go out but I'm gonna be out there so it's like for me it's like bro what how you gonna ask me to spend my money when you not like then then he says this initiated journey says oh oh I would have went out there anyway and honestly you know who they're trying to turn me into and I told them I don't want to become rage rage is at all these tournaments and he's not the one that the plays I think he's actually in this one isn't he but he's been at all the tournaments and he's never like the one that plays and they're trying to turn me into him and if I ever become rage I'm quitting I'm out see me later I'm done and I don't know how to get a commentating spot I am not on the list it was called the list of a proved player talent or something the list of approved approved player talent honestly I don't think I'll ever be on that list I don't know I really don't I don't know I feel like I would excel at all talking aspects of you know Madden and things like that but you know I'm really not their speed and somebody they want up there so that's cool and the people that do do it between mode and they said journey on this year user is going to be there too so they're going to do an excellent job and they're going to hold it down honestly but for me so it is tough to go back out there as a guest again I'm saying so and journey get and then then journey says we're playing football you understand we're playing football so for me I'm not the new and improved rage see that's just me man so for me I kind of want to go out there and go to football around ghost is going to be there journey trade bugs user with the whole gang is out there clef gang is going to be out there you understand so for me um it's definitely uh I want to say it's an option I want to say it's an option so we'll see I started yesterday like 20% I think I creeped up to like 60 65% chat now I'm asking you I I mean I think I should go something like that so so for me I really don't gotta make a decision in the next couple weeks and everything Wesley and little man we have a Wesley little man going lit I mean it's like and then I don't want to turn it into it's hard to go there and turn it into like a show it's just a weird like those dudes are there to win 30 grand in a boat you know for me to be there and be like I see k max gonna be I feel like it's a good group of 16 people but it's hard to go there and be like I don't know these dudes are trying to play then I'm gonna be like let's do the Wesley vs little man gauntlet you understand it's going to be tough to do that I can definitely bring a camera but it's like then I don't want to be that nerd like I like that's when I walk around the camera I feel like skomo like oh yeah let's take come on guys say hi to the vlog like I feel like a douche bag bro like the biggest douche bag in the world like I'm always a person honestly like when I go out like I'm not the on the phone take you put it on snapchat type of person I'm never that person I feel like the people around you like those are the people and you're going to have a good time and you're going to remember and you could tell stories about it later honestly and I feel like I'm not the biggest now honestly we play sports we're putting that shit on camera yeah that's for sure if we play sports now trust me we're going on camera one million percent one million percent we're going live we're recording shit I'm bringing the cannon everything's going down honestly uh for me so but but um I do think um I don't like being a guy with just a camera around his neck I feel like that's I feel like that's the corniest thing in the world yeah I'm not playing yeah I'm not running tray I'm I'll throw the football around I'll be a quarterback me and me and goals can be quarterback yeah what's the little man gonna be on camera bro no for real like I yeah exactly in this shit nobody likes the guy recording everything because then you never know man you might be hugged up on a little something sweet with soft skin and shit and then you get caught up boom that's the reason skimbo don't go out no more you know what I'm saying skimbo ain't go out in two years bro kd your ass is not no center kd you are like five eight bro kd I would ball you have so crazy oh it's about in football I I'd ball rush you to kd kd I'd grip you up by the collar bones you get collar bone lifted up move bro that ass by the way we are ready for the uh let's talk about the groups yeah kd I would lift your little ass up kd so crazy these are the groups my man bobby v posted the groups out that is uh Ray Lewis I said my man bobby v posted the uh the group so if you don't follow my man bobby make sure you get that done well we're still got window captures all over the place right now boom these are the groups right here all right now it'll be real there is one group in here that's super tough there is one group that's super tough my bad I'm just trying to fix my OBS right now there it is okay boom man and challenge final 16 cleft v8 dynas henry and rage that's a tough group obviously I like cleft to get up out of that drawings they don't get up out of there no big deal now I believe we are still we are still to the point where uh three people make it out of groups one person gets by I believe that is still the uh still the um it is still the format correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that is three people get out one person is out of there and one person has a buy the v8 dynas I don't be a ass journey about the dimes bro ass journey about v8 dimes rage is so damn ass bro I know I cannot believe I lost a game to rage bobby v is a truck truck he's not he's a bus driver bro all right like he's a bus driver group B we got joke bugs crush little man this is actually kind of tough this is actually kind of a tough group I like bugs to pop joke I mean joke honestly is playing uh uh joke is actually I mean joke has been one of the best this year uh and I really think uh maybe this is his tournament honestly as much as he bitches and I hope joke is in here right now I hope as much as he bitches and cries every fucking day bro like joke yo you joke I said I said it on the on the uh on the stream yesterday bro joke has no fun bro there he has no fun joke literally has no fun bugs verse little man must watch tv for me little man verse anybody's must watch we also get a rematch of joke verse crush bro joke verse crush remember to remember from last year the leg cross game remember that we get a rematch of that that's going to be fun to watch uh then we go to group C um I don't know these dudes at all who is pk peacekeeper peacekeeper from uh peacekeeper from apex oh deliverance okay okay okay okay so we get the rematch of travers deliverance no I don't know no this is first event I'm assuming this is my man Noah that being the chat I don't know these dudes I don't know Noah and I don't know JD like who is JD I don't know these dudes do y'all not like seriously I'm trying to learn peacekeeper bro this is one thing I've always fucking hated with my passion bro with my passion is one of the reasons I was like I will never ever ever ever ever I one of the biggest things that made me made me never want to like sign with another org or anything like that it just made me like because I would be absolutely sick if someone ever put fucking pk instead of my name I would be absolutely sick you work so hard for your name but what did Frank Lucas say chat that's a brand name I guarantee it that's Frank Lucas that blue magic he worked so hard to make that name ring bells and they got the nerve to just put fucking pk right there oh my god I'd be hot and then we got JD I don't know who JD is like I said Noah uh this is first event JD I'm assuming this is the first event I really don't know and trade trade is playing really good uh he made it he's ready to go stop it honcho honcho you want to rumble bro we could rumble right now honcho Dean honcho did not time you out for 10 minutes and now you're back and honestly as I looked down group D is probably one of the best groups we have seen pretty much ever now this is k max first um live event uh outside of club series you know guys guys know how I feel about club series really um but uh k mac this is his first like final 16 this is the furthest he's been in a tournament so um and against guys that are between ghosts and kids have super experience Wesley has super experience really so k mac honestly as much as I mean we all know k mac and a roof of k mac but he 1 million percent is the underdog in this group group of guys really and for me and shit he got a rough draw really to be your first live and get kid Wesley and ghosts that's tough man so that's that's a great group I can't wait to watch that group play man I really can't and and this this is when DC comes down to okay what book does ghost get what book does kid get what book does k mac x I know k mac has split close in the uh online part so it's hard to get split close so we'll see what he cooks up if he gets something else I really think uh I really think um I think I think k mac has a lot of pressure I think for somebody that is I feel like these dudes here right I feel like we overrate the pressure that they had like bro we talk about like ghosts and kid like bro like they don't have to go pop a stream on the next day and hear people and worry about like all the people that support them you know what I'm saying like let's be honest bro ghost is my friend bro how many ghost fans are walking out there in the earth you know what I'm saying so named it's like three ghost fans in the world this family might not even root for him you know what I'm saying this brother probably I'm tired of this ghost shit you know what I'm saying k mac pride k mac got a thousand subs he got way bigger following not not I want to say a following but like fans essentially more people like really really rooting for him you know and Wesley has no fans bro there is not there is not a person that wakes up chatting and says you know what I can't wait to watch Wesley play today or I can't wait for Wesley to win I'm going to root like shit for Wesley to win there's not a person there's not a person I want to find one motherfucking person now kiv kiv has been around a long time he's a character he's a exceptional player exceptional kiv has fans but Wesley bro honestly my man Noah has more fans than Wesley like what ain't nobody rooting for my man west bro I might be honestly Wesley I might be the biggest Wesley fan now that I really think about it I might honestly be the biggest Wesley fan on earth and that's sad because I'm not a Wesley fan bro but I feel like I still am the biggest Wesley fan if that makes any sense yeah like I feel like I root for the kid like it's my guy that's my friend but like bro ain't no Wesley fans I don't I really don't think it's joke fans bro I really don't think how a human can root for joke bro I used to never root for joke now me and joke I become much closer and say that's my that's one of my friends joke is my guy I I don't want to say I root for joke now but I don't root against them I don't bugs bugs has a psycho following bro bugs might be I mean but now bugs is probably top five in most fans here I cheer for joke he complained at my volume no joke is definitely joke is definitely a character bro for real he's definitely positive what I'm saying like I definitely don't um definitely don't root against joke anymore at all really like I need him to win one of these tournaments so you shut the hell up but really so you think about bugs bugs has the gut fox you know what I'm saying he got the not the old heads he got the you know the people that don't get out the house too much like if you're a bugs fan like you really don't get out the house that much which is cool because there's a lot of people that don't get out of the house you know what I'm saying and that's that's all all well and good yeah all the non-protein dietitians shit like that you know what I'm saying those type of people I don't know I don't know who I don't know who has more fans deliverance or tailor game I think I got a little deliverance bro I think I I feel like the stellar nation kind of mess with pk I'm done yo his name is pk now I'm done we will never use the word deliverance again he is pk yeah buster harley look buster the biggest bugs fan bro buster get buster as you're in the chat right now my man buster give me a percentage of bugs winning this tournament buster give me the percentage give me the percentage what do you think yeah he's pk from from now on that's him bro he's just pk 17 percent bugs wins I think bugs has a shot chat 73 2d 25 percent 2d 73 is fucking wild huh I know I was really lying yo the stay-at-home moms bro the vegan stay-at-home moms is pretty nuts buster went 75 percent tailor point zero one well I'll be honest if we see this right now plus 1200 dining that's I mean us that's what's 1200 I might put a dub on plus 1200 that's that's pretty high for the booze man y'all want to set the odds for everybody let's set the odds on winning the whole tournament let's set the odds chat set the odds on winning the whole tournament we can play some bets too page there we go this is the tournament right here boys let's set the odds I need you guys help on setting the odds and like I said YouTube you guys can be a part of this stream too we do this on Tuesday nights this is the Tuesday night boom boom there it is this Tuesday night subs or uh subs in the chat you can join in the sub twitch.tv slash dub dot also like I said you can be in here Tuesday nights we do this probably 7 p.m every Tuesday boom here we go setting the odds the odds for cleft to win this tournament all right let's put this right here red typing plus 500 minus no he's not a favorite uh cleft plus five okay cleft okay I think plus plus 150 a little crazy chat what if we're not typing right now what's going on why why is my font still white plus 150 for cleft I think that's I think that's high I think that's high right there boys what you got I think that's high I think that's high I'm all right I think it's low I think we're gonna go 400 right there I think 400 what's next okay let's go over here boom va dimes to win the tournament bro va dimes to win the entire tournament va dimes to win the entire tournament chat give me va dimes right now chat what a fucking odd type boom boom boom boom I'm thinking chat I'm thinking 1900 bro y'all I think y'all kind of like y'all kind of really uh 1900 I think it's too high it'd be two-time mcs finalist they don't try and get this this font shit right all right va dimes let's go with the dimes man what we gonna put the dimes man that I think we go plus I go 3000 bro I'm going 3000 on va dimes bro I'm going 3000 on va I gotta be real first live event bro I've never even watched them play I'm going plus 3000 Henry give me a number chat I think Henry we looking about plus plus 500 I put plus 500 I'm not putting Henry over Clef I'm not putting Henry over Clef plus 500 that's where I'm at that's where I'm at with Henrock that's where I'm at I feel like that's good rage 3900 no rage ain't winning bro group B we go to joke I think joke I think joke is I will tell you joke is probably my favorite so by this I'm going to go I'm going plus 250 it's a joke yeah yeah that's how I feel more and that's how I feel joke plus 250 that's how I feel on joke bugs is around Clef type of speed I think I don't know if I have books over Clef but I'll go let's go plus 450 on buzz I'm saying I'm 450 on buzz I'm saying crush put crush I'm gonna go crush I'm gonna go crush around 800 yeah because you see that's exactly why I was doing crush 800 I'll crush a good player he's a good player not that much experience outside of club series you know what I'm saying but he got him saying he's in a tough group but I'll go 800 little man winning the tournament little man I feel like if I put crush 800 I gotta put a little man in 700 yes I like buzz over Henry 50 and now I feel like I gotta put little man over crush crushers in DC last year yeah I don't really remember I'll be forgetting yeah I feel like little man is plus 750 750 I feel like now I feel like what the fuck that just happened I don't know what I just did I feel like I'm gonna be real I feel like I'm not putting people high enough bro because I feel like I disrespected my man V8 diamonds bro the fact crush is plus 800 and V8 diamonds is plus 3000 bro I feel like I disrespected him bro I feel like I make some changes bro I feel like we gotta go there we gotta change that a little bit I'm saying that's all I'm saying but yeah I just off I gotta put I gotta put I gotta put I'm not gonna change rage at all he's still 3900 I'll put a little man in plus 750 I'm saying Noah Jesus Christ this is Mariah Noah is um by my man Noah bro you gotta be plus to win the whole tournament bro you gotta be plus 2500 gotta be plus 2500 gotta be I PK PK is a fighter bro PK bro PK is like plus 1100 no no that's too that's too high that's plus 900 plus not yeah more and we want to write we want to write track we want to write check PK is a fight JD the killer oh JD gotta I mean he gotta be the same as my man uh as my man um Noah they got that's that's like you know the 2500 is the I never heard of you this your first event number bro Taylor gang I mean I'm he he probably had like plus 1800 that's I mean it's a good number you know I'm saying he not 3000 you know what I'm saying now group D gets a little spicy now chat help me out I need y'all help ghosts damn ghost gotta be a ghost gotta be like a cleft number ghost guy I feel like ghost gotta be like 350 I feel like that's a good number for ghosts Wesley I feel like Wesley's on that like plus 600 I feel like five now I feel like 550 on Wesley go 550 on Wesley Kiv I think Kiv is a jokes number bro I think you gotta put Kiv at 250 just like joke that's how I feel K-Mac I feel like he can't be as high as these guys I think he could be around a little man I think K-Mac I'm gonna go plus close to little man plus uh in this group I feel like the thing about being in K-Mac not 400 come on bro the thing about being in this group is that is that yeah I think I think K-Mac we can go hey I think 800 yeah I think 800 I mean no I'm in seven I'm just looking at little man crush it's like I'll be honest with you chat I was disappointed in uh I'm gonna go seven I was disappointed in K-Mac's run defense badly like every tournament like bro I don't know and the worst part about K-Mac's run defense bro well he played with Orioles sweaty ass that runs all the time bro no honestly the group helps because what the thing about the group that you don't understand three of these people make it out and if you make it out of the group you're probably not gonna play one of these guys until further down the line so if Kiv and Wesley make it out they're probably not gonna play each other again till the final four or something like that so essentially like the group really doesn't the being in a tough group almost makes it easier to win the whole tournament if that makes sense no I think K-Mac's defense could run defense especially even against problem I feel like I feel like if K-Mac had better run defense uh that game was wasn't even close honestly case you think so Casey yeah that's tough god damn it boom boom boom boom y'all think my eyes is cool eyes is cool I think the eyes is cool right here I think the eyes is cool chat X factor bro I don't know if that day is ever gonna happen bro y'all know I really can't talk about racial issues and things like that but I don't know if that day ever happens let's tweet this out see what see what the people got here chat let's see what the people got who you guys think they're gonna bet on here boom home yeah cleft won't get one eventually bro honestly I hope one day honestly like I know like the last couple years ain't been the best for me but I do uh I wish me and EA could work better together man probably never gonna happen probably never gonna happen but I feel like I feel like I'll bring a lot to the table like why the fuck is this still not like some of my media failed to upload what why the fuck witness get the fuck out of here I don't know why my little media not upload let me see if I can save this different maybe this pile is too big I don't know let me just do this witness I swear to god bro I'm fighting witness on site bro I mean bro I'd be hella commentating hey I'll go man put your little whoever y'all betting on underneath that post right there or when we get a problem we're gonna talk a lot more about this next week on the podcast man you know what I'm saying Donnie how many appearances I got bro I think I got seven or six yeah I think I got six oh my ass bro oh my ass well man I'm glad problem came out talked about this subject the sub stuff really is like I'm I'm I'm passionate about that honestly I really am I feel like we can help grow by knowing our worth honestly and I know my worth I know I know how to grow grow this thing I'm saying I'm gonna do it my way and I feel like we all get on board man it's gonna be popping and it's definitely super super duper popping the Chinese ass bro anyway and I do feel like everybody should be sub only stream every single person if you stream the five thousand game of Madden people should have to pay to watch it and honestly if you don't want to pay to watch it I mean that's okay maybe you don't want to watch it that bad and that's cool you know there's nothing wrong with that but but there's no downside there's no negative in somebody believing their Madden game is worth five dollars to watch there's no there's no downside in that you know because I feel like it is I feel like anybody at that position anybody that's good enough to be in that tournament and decides to stream it should be worth five dollars I do I'm not even want to tell you guys that I would pay everybody five dollars I probably wouldn't no you're right there's people I don't want to watch people I want to watch uh for me and um honestly uh Clef you a club series only type you wanted nothing bro club series only people can't get it done in the real games bro this club first club this is your first real live event bro I'm proud of you man hey sadmer tell him bro he a club series guy bro I'm the opposite bro I can't even uh there's y'all be killing me don't bother Clef bu bu bu bu bu bu jd that's what I did at first I want one for one I believe it I already know Clef gonna pop shit bro it's not why y'all gotta make it a black and white thing just that's what I'm saying bro I support Clef the most bro you know what I'm saying why why it's gotta be why y'all gotta be be beat the white guys you know what I'm saying nuts not you're not y'all making me like I'm but y'all making me feel like I'm wrong for supporting Clef bro I'm saying I might be the bookie bro I might be the bookie for the whole thing bro if y'all retweet that tweet no Jesse no I'm not you already know I'm not just for you just for the couple hundred to actually watch me and talk to me that's all Clef got four events y'all giving events for everything now bro huh Jesus appreciate y'all appreciate y'all sad Paul Paul so you feel me a squad tournament and the other I don't know what man should do bro at dinner today doesn't really matter too much what I think man should do but you know the vibes I will do my best honestly oh what counts is making an event in the classic Donnie the top 64 please make it the top 16 bro if you say the top 32 or some shit making an event in the classic fucking joke bro I made back in my day I'm like the old head now I'm the old head that walked to school uphill twice every day both ways uphill in the snow that's me back in my day only eight people made the live event that was my day and I made two of them fuckers I'm saying so for I made two eight people eight people live events I'm saying back in my day when good was good and elite was elite you had to grind you know there was nothing handed out for these kids making uh uh uh you know one club's final four is a live event nothing was handed out everything was taken you guys really turned me into the old head on the porch yelling or all the kids playing on the street bro that's what y'all turned me into you know what I'm saying bro they cheated the shit out of Clef last year bro they cheated they cheated Clef this year bro first of all Donnie we came from the eight-man finals the eight-man finals I should get two live events for making the eight-man finals you know what I'm saying real John Madden football the Clef is in my like my group of people I think is really good at Madden you know what I'm saying John Madden football real John Madden football but this was the needed podcast episode 64 I don't really have shit else to talk about had fun hope you guys enjoyed my breakdown of my interception I do hope you guys enjoyed talking about socials bro I'm super passionate about that bro I really do it's important for me to uh DreamHack does not come as a live event Jesus Christ for me um I am passionate about what Madden content is worth and what our content is worth as elite players so I feel like everybody should that feel like everybody has the same view man we can grow and we can make more money you know that's all Donnie bro I'm gonna ask you do I come out to this to this draft champions event bro let me know let me know Donnie they're trying to get me to go out who's my top five man players to watch this year vault uh I don't know vault Volta Rex no but a sneaky fair honestly I do like I said Wesley has no uh Wesley really has no um fans but I think he's a sneaky underdog in this in this tournament I think Wesley Wesley could make a final four finals type of vibe honestly that's how I feel I do like watching vault vault uh listen but I honestly can't wait to watch it really so we'll see but this was the needed podcast episode 64 I appreciate you guys coming through man I do like putting the the chat on sub only that way you guys you know only my subs can be seen can be talked to can be heard can be part of the show honestly I'm gonna do more predictions next week we have another week to talk about this club series or not this club series I keep saying it this DC tournament so it's gonna be great uh it's going to be fun um but I appreciate y'all coming through so if you want to check these out live twitch.tv slash dub that I'm going to do my best tomorrow to break down the um the podcast into maybe you know 10 minute sections 10 because it's tough for people to watch it out two hours I felt like this this podcast had a lot of content though you know what I'm saying not the no not the uh not the whole view just people that could type in the chat honestly just so y'all can type in the chat um I feel like this this two hours had a lot of content really majestic I wish bro yeah I feel like this had a lot of content really but you know we'll see I'm gonna try to break it down make it a little bit shorter for people to watch it on YouTube and like maybe a 20 minute video something like that but I appreciate you guys going by this was the needed podcast episode 64