 Hey everybody. Tonight we're debating the Big Bang versus God and we are starting right now with Alex Stein's opening statement who is taking the special creation side. Alex, the floor is all yours. Okay, well now I'm all sad because I don't have the cool modern day debate music and all this stuff. So I guess people were complaining about it. So now my whole aura is thrown off. And then before, even though I'm starting, this is my intro. I have to come here and I have to debate against T-Jump. Now listen, it's hard enough to debate T-Jump. He's won debates, he's lost debates. But debate, listen, the chair is undefeated. I'm gonna be honest. And then when I look at T-Jump and I see he has no sleeves on, now I have very little chance to win this debate. Am I gonna win? Yes, of course, I never lose debates. I'm just saying, I'm fighting an uphill battle because you have performance enhancing clothing on T-Jump. And then you also have the capability of putting on the hood and becoming discreet. This is gonna be an uphill battle. But just like the creator, the creation was an uphill battle, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't created because when you look at a house and I asked you, T-Jump, who built that house? He said, I don't know, but you know it had a builder because why? Because it was so complex, you know it didn't happen accidentally. The same mathematical probability of everything happening and coming from nothing and evolving from Ponskown is the same as a tornado going through a junkyard and creating a Boeing 777 airplane on the other side. It's impossible. It's impossible. So you're gonna tell me two rocks smashed together and they just created this little doodoo universe from the rocks buttholes, right? That doesn't happen. Rocks don't have beeholes. They don't poop out universes. You see, that's the problem. That's the problem. You have poop on your brain. That's right, you're like, what? You have doodoo for brains. Why is that? Because you believe a lie. You believe that you evolved from nothing. Everything came from nothing and that the pre-mortial soup was struck by some sort of energy conduit, like lightning and that you were an amoeba, a protista and now look at you. You have two nipples. You have two ears. You think that was an accident? You look at the bee, they look at the wings of a bee. It flaps 600 times a second. So you're telling me that it evolved at one point. It was flapping one time a second and then two times a second and then three times a second. How do the wings of a bird evolve? They can't. They don't. Okay? So all I have to do is tell you that, yes, there was a creator. Now I know that's a little vague and that's a little general because I believe in general, I believe religions are inherently evil. I think man uses religions. Yes, that's right. I believe man uses religion to manipulate people and to control people. That's right. I do believe, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a creator. So that's the problem is the creator has been hijacked by people that didn't love the devil or people that love God. And the reason is they wanna make you feel insignificant because if they can make you feel like your whole life is an accident and that you literally evolved from nothing, then you're easy to control because then at that point you don't take personal responsibility for your life and it makes you live in a constant state of fight or flight. Now, being in a state of fight or flight is where you can only see about six inches in front of you. And that's like what's happening now and the reason why they wanna keep you in that constant state of fight or flight is because that's how you're able to be controlled. Now, if you realize there is a creator and you realize that you're a spiritual being and that the chances of you being here are absolutely impossible because not only did the world have to get to this point of evolution but your mom and dad had to bang at the exact right time. And guess what T-Jump? If your dad's as good looking as you, he banged a lot. You're like one of the most handsome guys I've ever debated. So if your dad looked like you, he was banging a lot and he didn't get to, I don't know how many brothers and sisters you had, probably not. So just think about all the times Daddy T-Jump was banging and that one time he popped you up. Probably mathematically impossible. Just that one chance. Can you think about all the times he had sex and didn't have a baby but you wanna think you're a cosmic accident? Why? Because that's a lie. So guess what? You did come from the big bang. The big bang when Daddy T-Jump did mommy T-Jump doggy style and they did it doggy style so they could both watch the Canadians because you're in Canada, right? Is that true? Don't you guys like hockey? Is that true? T-Jump, are you in Canada? Oh, sorry. I thought you're a Canadian, sorry. Regardless, your parents, that's the big bang. That's what you came from. So I agree, the big bang happens, but just think about the impossibility of all the times Daddy T-Jump was doing it and he had you. So that is impossible in itself but just the sheer fact that you think at one point you were a protista or an amoeba is all a lie. And then you look at Charles Darwin, right? Guy was full of crap. Now what he did is he saw micro evolution. Now if tall people have a baby, they might have a tall kid but if two tall people have a baby they're not gonna have a dolphin. Do you see what I'm saying? So yes, I believe that traits can be handed down but I don't believe a trait like wings on a butterfly's back can pop out of nowhere. That's absolutely absurd but that's what they wanna make you think. And when you look at micro evolution versus macro evolution, macro evolution that everything came from the same source. Impossible, cannot be proved today. A biogenesis, impossible. With all the technology we have today we can't create a biogenesis today. We can't make two cells split on their own. That doesn't happen. So you wanna say that there was no creator. You wanna say that two rocks smashed together and everything came from nothing. Who made those rocks smash? Dog? That might have been God. Playing the rock with tambourines, dog because God is having a party because he knew T-Jump's dad was gonna bang a bunch of chicks one day and was gonna make a badass guy like you with a fucking badass of guns and a badass chair like that because the creator wants you to know that you're a special T-Jump and I know you're gonna sit here and argue that you're just a cosmic accident but I don't want you to feel like that. I want you to tap into that spiritual being inside of you and I'm not saying that you should join the Muslim sect but you probably should join Scientology because you remind me of Tom Cruise. That's what I'm saying. There is a religion out there for you. Should you be a Muslim? Maybe, but it's not about the doctrine that you follow. It's about connecting to the spiritual being inside you. Now let me tell you something. You might think that you're a body that happens to have a soul. You might think that you're a soul that happens to have a body. Let me just tell you what you are, okay? You are a cosmic interdimensional being. That's right. And when you leave here, you go somewhere else. Where is that? I don't know, dog. And I don't know where you were before you got here but I know that you are special and I know that you are important because I know your dad was a ladies man and all the chicks your dad raw dog, he raw dog the right one on the right night he made you and that is what you need to look into because even if you go back eight generations, that means you've had over one million grandparents. Think about that. So all those one million grandparents had to have sex at an exact time for you to be here. Yes, that's right. That's true. If you go back eight generations, you've had one million grandparents. You can fact check that everybody. So just think about the improbability of getting here. So it's not just the improbability of the Big Bang, it's the improbability of you actually being created. So you are a spiritual being. What spirit, what is that spirit for us? A lot of people want to say Jesus. Some people say Muhammad. Some people will say El Ron Hubbard. Some people say T jump. I say T jump sometimes when I'm praying and I'm in a weird thing. Sometimes I pray to you T jump and I pray that you will learn that you are a spiritual being because right now what I'm doing is I'm trying to awaken the Holy Ghost inside of you because the thing is what you have inside of you is called a pineal gland and that pineal gland connects you to your soul. And so what happens is modern food and medicine. Yes, listen, it calcifies your pineal gland and it makes it you incapable of connecting to the spiritual being inside you. I know that sounds crazy. So T jump, what I'm saying is you need to try to make an effort to find that spiritual being because once you realize that you are not a cosmic accident, then you can take ownership of your life and then you can tap into your potential. But until then, until you start realizing that your whole life is not an accident, you will never achieve your potential because you will take it for granted because the only thing that you don't have unlimited, you can make unlimited money but you can't make unlimited time. There's people that are billionaires that are jealous of you right now T jump because you have more time on earth. So what I'm saying is you need to savor the flavor and realize that your time on earth is special and it's not an accident. That's right. It's not an accident and that is what proves the creator knowing that and looking at the evidence that we live in such a complicated system that an eyeball, the complicated system of an eyeball cannot be created accidentally over time. Impossible. It's fake news. Like your daddy Trump likes to say and you love Trump, he's your favorite. That's why you don't wear the sleeves because you want the same bravado as Trump but it's not about you and how much you love Trump. That's not what this debate about is. This debate is about the creator and realizing that you did not evolve from Ponsko. And that's the most important thing because listen T jump, listen to me when I say this. A system is complicated as we have and you honestly think everything came from nothing. How can you actually have any joy or happiness knowing? I know this isn't a personal attack. Just knowing that your life is meaningless. It's hard, it's hard to be motivated. Yes it is hard to be motivated to have a meaningful life if you think it's all an accident but that's what they want you to do is they want you to feel the way you feel T jump because in that way you can go and debate people and you can hide the existence of God because if they can hide the existence of God which the government does, they constantly want to hide the existence of God. Yes, they want to, the reason they want to separate church and state is so that you don't have God because if God is not in your life you are very malleable. You are like clay and they can control you very easily and I'm not saying that this God is better than that God. I'm just saying with inside of you, you are a spiritual being. There is some God inside of you. That's right because your DNA, your sauce going into a girl makes a baby. There's a little bit of God in that T jump but you don't want to feel like God even though you sit on that throne of a lazy boy. I don't know how you can't feel the Holy Spirit. That's what really shocks me. A man that's smart, that thinks he evolved from pond scum or that a biogenesis self-split on their own without any force causing them to do so which has never been recreated today would make you go absolutely insane. And I don't want you to go insane. I want you to find that inner interdimensional soul that you have, that you were so blessed to have T jump and I want you to go put on a sweatshirt because I'm going to lose this debate unless you cover up those guns that gives you a performance enhancing advantage. And listen, I can do this debate with two hands tied behind my back because why? Because I have the power of God behind me and I'm going to mission from God and I'm primetime 99 Alexine and I just want you to say that, God will reveal himself to you one day T jump. I don't know when that will be but when it does, you will look back at this and you will cringe and you will be embarrassed because I was the same way. I was like you at one point. I thought this was a cosmic accident and then I realized they were hiding the creator to make me feel insignificant. And once you feel that and you find that out dog, you're real and you didn't evolve from pond scum and the big bang's fake because rocks can't smash together and create everything. That's just a fact, Jack. That's my time. I think that is a good time to transition. We'll go into Tom Jumps opening statement. Want to let you know folks, if it's your first time here at Monterey Debate, we are a neutral channel hosting debates on science, religion and politics. And we hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you are from. And so with that, Tom, the floor is all yours for your opening statement. Well, that was a roller coaster of an introduction. Went from pond scum to everything came from nothing no one believes to the government hides the existence of God they must have been a box somewhere in Area 51, very small box. The evolution of the eye, which was literally explained by Darwin in his book when he wrote it. He said evolution is a biogenesis. Those are two different things. The pineal gland, do you even know where that is? Like, and you think it has something to do with the soul? Where is it? Where is the pineal gland? It's the inner part of your brain, the amygdala, dude. The amygdala, it's in the amygdala, is it? It's right next to the amygdala and the inner part of your brain. Yes, dude. No, it's not. Let's try it out. It's inside of your brain, dude. What are you talking about? It's at the outside of your brain. What is it, TJ? I don't even know it. How fast do these wings fly? 600 times a second. Nope, it's 200 times a second. Incorrect. Well, 200 times a second. It's impossible to go from one time a second. Maybe it's a mosquito that's 600 times a second. I'm just saying the wings of a bird or a fly cannot happen, cannot evolve over time. There'd be all these dead bird species that we have with fucked up wings, TJ. I'm just saying you can't evolve a wing. I don't believe that. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm interrupting your thing. No, this is hilarious. So yeah, you said you can only see nine feet in front of us in the flight or flight response. Also, bull crap. But that's metaphor, dude. That's a metaphor. We'll come right back to you for the opening state once we get to the open dialogue portion. Excuse me. We've still got time for Tom's opening. Eight generations is 250 ancestors, not a million. I'm just basic math, just eight multiplied. It's not a million. That's dumb. I don't know what a protesta is. I think you mean the protosome. Protesta is the Spanish word for protest. There is so much stupid there. I don't know. I don't know what to do with that. I kind of forgot the topic. I think the topic is something about Big Bang versus God, what created the universe. And if you want an explanation of the Big Bang, you need to answer very specific questions. Like, what is the predicted spatial curvature? What is the amplitude density of the perturbations? How long did the perturbations depend on scale? There are very specific questions in cosmology you have to answer if you want to say what caused the Big Bang. Just saying McGadden is not an answer. You have to be able to answer the very specific questions related to physics, like the isocurvature perturbations and what is the temperature of receding? And are there for more double black holes in what constitutes dark matter? These are questions you need to answer if you want to know what created the Big Bang. If you can't answer those, you don't actually have a model of what caused the Big Bang. Models in physics do this really well. To quote Sean Carroll, if we were going to poll cosmologists, if God had anything to do with the Big Bang, atheists would win by an overwhelming majority because the God model doesn't make any predictions whatsoever. It's just ad hoc. I can make up an explanation of an event. It's not actually supported by anything. The fine-tuned argument doesn't work because just as the universe is fine-tuned, a God who created the universe would have to be equally as fine-tuned. So who fine-tuned God? If the universe needs a fine-tuneder, then so does God. If God doesn't need a fine-tuneder, then neither does the universe. And so the probabilities are the exact same. Same with evolution. If it's improbable for humans to evolve in a universe on their own, it's improbable for there to be a God who exists, who would create a universe with evolution. So all probabilities for God are equally or worse than just random chance producing life. So it doesn't actually solve anything to say God done it because it just pushes the problem back a step. God doesn't solve any of the problems in any of the fields of cosmology, biology, evolution, physics, geology, nothing. It's just a made up, my God done it solution to the unknowns, which isn't a solution at all. And to count as a solution again, you have to solve or be able to answer all of those questions that I mentioned earlier. So I'll look forward to Alex giving us answers to those questions, if he thinks God created the universe. But until then, I guess we're gonna talk about rock's buttholes and rocks smashing together to produce the universe, because that's definitely a model in physics and incorrect flight speeds of bees and not knowing how math works in generations and stuff. Rock's buttholes are conclude there. Juicy, thank you very much. Before we get there, Alex, one moment, do wanna mention you guys, we are really excited, we just finalized this debate the other day. It's going to be this month, it's going to be the book of Daniel prophecy or forgery. You don't wanna miss it, it's going to be epic as Dr. Josh and Jim majors will be taking on Dr. Boyce and Jonathan Sheffield. So we're excited for that and hit that subscribe button and then notification bell if you haven't already, that way you don't miss that one line. And with that, thanks gentlemen, the floor is all yours for open dialogue. I just need a quick share screen. I just gotta show a little quick video. It's not, it's just two seconds of explaining that the big bang, excuse me, the, let me fix my screen, I gotta show this. One thing, I am reluctant if it's copyrighted for you. No, it's not copyrighted, it's not copyrighted. Share screen, it's not, let me show you a sound. It's not copyrighted, it's 60 minutes, it's a news. There's no audio, hold on. Can you see it though? Can you see the screen? Yep. Okay. You wanna crack that one? Okay, well let's see the mosquitoes. Okay, I'll correct the mosquitoes. I think it's a mosquitoes wing, 600 times, hold on. Mosquitoes, wings, flap, how many times a second? How many times a second? Let's correct this. Oh, 600 times, look at this. I said a mosquito, I said a bee, I meant a mosquito. Let me show you this. Right here, share screen. A mosquito flaps its wings 600 times per second. I'm sorry, I said a bee, excuse me, Tom. I mean, it's hard enough to compete against that chair and I'm sorry you're fact checking me, but I said the wrong, I said a bee instead of a mosquito. I apologize, but my facts are correct. I just misspoke too. Well, when I'm talking for 10 minutes without notes, well, I'm talking with 10 minutes without notes. You know, I'm speaking in metaphors and generalities because we're talking about narcissism and existentialism. Yes, I was right, I said a bee instead of a mosquito. That does not prove that you're wrong. That doesn't prove or disprove God. So you're just trying to argue about something that doesn't. How can you be right when you say a bee flaps 600 times a minute? I meant to say Mosquito, I misspoke. I misspoke. So so so you were wrong. You were not I misspoke, which means I misspoke. I quoted something incorrectly. Yes, but that doesn't prove my that doesn't mean my argument is wrong. I meant to say a bee. I don't know if that counts as a mosquito. I meant to say a mosquito. Well, the fact is we have to go to the evolution thing. You're just trying to draw me outside. The fact that you think probably really going toward the big bang rather than evolution and bees and mosquitoes. Well, I'm just saying the idea is the same thing. Is the big bang is the same as the big bang? Oh, God, yeah, it's a theory. It's 100 percent a theory. There's no proven. You have no facts. How how do they how do they decide the big bang is they see that how that they they this is how they do it. They measure how big and how fast the earth is expanding. And they supposedly reverse engineer it through time. They measure how long how big it gets over time. And then they redo it on how small till that size would get to nothing. That's what they say in their mathematics. And so they, you know, they, I guess, quoted it. Well, like, oh, don't get all mad. I'm going to be wrong. I think what is it? Sixty five billion years or something like that. I mean, it's all bullshit. What how old is the earth? What is it? What is the big bang theory? Say it is sixty five billion. So you said it's a theory is our what are germs? Are germs a theory? Yeah, germ theory. Yes. It's a theory. It's called germ theory. Yeah, it's a theory. Germ theory of disease. But germs are a theory. It's a theory exists. Right. You accept germs exist, right? Yeah, I mean, there's bacteria and germs. Yeah, they exist. Yes. So why do they call it a theory? Some theories can be true. I'm just saying it's still a theory. I'm not. But that doesn't mean that that's true. That doesn't mean evolution is it's just still a theory. You're trying to make something that's described as a theory factual when it's not. I'm the one calling a ball a ball and a strike a strike. It's like you just said theories can be facts sometimes. But that in this case, the evolutionary theory is not a fact. And the Big Bang theory is not a fact in this case. I'm just saying there are theories that can be true. Yes, those two theories are false. So if theories can be true, then calling it a theory doesn't prove it's false. So saying it's just a theory means it could be factually true, just like germs, right? But the idea of a theory is that it's not, you know, provable. It's just the idea. Remember, germs are provable, so theories can be provable. I'm just saying, but those are theories. They're not provable. You don't have facts to back up the Big Bang. You have no facts to back it up. That's what I'm saying. You can't go back in time. So you have zero facts. Stick with me on this one. So germs we can prove germs are a theory. Therefore, you can prove theories. Do I say theories exist? Yeah, I agree that theories exist, but that doesn't make all theories credible because one theory exists doesn't make all theories valid. That's not that's not obviously that's not the point here. So calling something that's what he's trying to say means doesn't if you're in question, makes that I know. But because germ theory exists, you're saying evolution theory exists. No, no, I'm saying that you don't understand what the word theory means. The word theory does not mean hypothetical theories can be proven just like germs can be proven. But not all theories. Let's just hear the rest from Tom. So so the only point you're making here is that saying that because it's a theory, it is therefore unproven is wrong. Many theories are proven. So you're confused about the word theory. It doesn't mean unproven. And many prove and many theories can't be proven. So that doesn't mean all theories are provable. Do you see what I'm saying? There's many theories that can't be written. I didn't say all here. So I'm gonna say, but you're trying to err on the side that I'm saying all theories are provable. I'm saying, yeah, it's 50, 50. Yeah, I'm saying because it's a theory, it's not provable. You know what I mean? That doesn't mean some theories. That doesn't mean some theories aren't accurate. I'm saying that doesn't mean that all theories are inaccurate. No, the part I'm objecting to is you define the word theory to mean uncertain that's not what the word theory means. Okay, well, we'll just have to agree. I mean, I'm sure somewhere in the definition there's an adjective for the word uncertainty. Agree to disagree and we'll get to the Big Bang. Yeah, I don't think he actually said anything about the Big Bang. So I'm not. No, but okay, but we can talk about space. I mean, you say that we can prove dark matter. Dude, we cannot prove dark matter. And that's the thing is they're trying, how they try to figure out the Big Bang is by reversing, reverse engineering how much the universe expands. That's impossible. I don't even believe they can measure how much the universe is expanding. So it's just a bold-faced lie at the end of the day. Like what is your proof that the Big Bang theory is valid? The universe is moving farther away from each other. We can measure it just like we measure movement of cars through waves of light. We can see like if we watch a car move away, the light reflecting off the car moves away too. And we can watch the light reflecting off of galaxies and see, oh, look, it's moving farther away. Like cars are. So we can literally see it happening. Like watching cars. Yeah, we see it moving, but it comes back. Like the North Star is in the same spot every, I mean, that's not moving away. The North Star is Polaris is in the same spot. Yes, that doesn't move. It's in the same direction. Like it's that way. Yes. So that's not expanding. It's not moving. So it's not expanding. But it doesn't move, is what I'm saying. So you don't have any proof that it's expanding. Right, Alex. The moon is getting further away from us. Now it's in the same spot every night or the same like general location, but it's still getting further away from us because there's two different accesses of direction there. There's the one where it shows up in the sky. That's like where we're looking. And then there's the Z-axis, which is how far away it is from us in the sky. So there could be like, if there's a car right in front of you and it drives exactly straight, it's still going to be in the same spot where you're looking, but it's going to be further away. So it can still be. But the moon's on a cycle. So when the moon comes closer, does that mean the universe is in closing like an accordion when the moon comes closer? Does that mean the universe is shrinking in? No, this is what's going on. So when the moon moves farther away, it's expanding. So when it moves closer, is there a world of lighting? So the part about the moon is that an object can be in the same spot in the sky and yet still be moving further away because those are two different axes. So like a car can be right in front of you, but if it's driving away from you, even though it's in the exact same spot in your field of vision, it can still not be in the exact same spot in every position because it can be moving further away. So even though the North Star is in the same position in the sky, it's still moving further away, just like a car. Yeah, but it moves in a pattern and it comes back. So let's just say it was like the moon. Yes, the moon is 13 cycles. 13. Yes, the moon, the moon moves in 1328. North Star does not move. Now I'm talking about the moon. I'm talking about the moon moves in a pattern. 100% so it comes. So you're telling me does the universe expand and then come in together when it comes closer? See, it doesn't do that. You don't have any proof of the expansion of our universe. Other than what you're saying, I know. I'm saying how they figured out the Big Bang theory is they measured how much of the Earth is supposedly expanding. How much the universe is expanding. The Earth is expanding, what? They say the universe is... This is how they decided the Big Bang is this is how they figured it out is what they say, the timeline. Is they say they measure the expansion of the universe. And then over time, they measure it and they see how they guess how big the universe is and they guess how much time it would take for that to reverse for the time it got big for how to... Who guesses how big the universe is? No one makes big guess. What are you even saying? Can't prove. We have no idea how to date stuff. Carbon dating, the degradation of carbon does not prove how old the rock is. Like, we don't know, dude. We're not carbon-dating galaxies. We can't go there. They say we came from rocks. So wouldn't it be important to know how old these rocks are? I'm saying the Big Bang theory, you're looking at your theory says two rocks smashed together and created everything, dude. You're the one that has the idiotic theory. The Big Bang theory says that. Where does it say that in any version of the Big Bang theory? OK, then describe a mama rock and a papa rock, put their buttholes together and poof universe. Like, that's kind of like Sean Ferrell's problem. OK, then what do you think the Big Bang theory is? And tell us. Do you mind telling us? You didn't say it in your area. The Big Bang theory is the collapse of the singularity resulting in the spacetime of our universe coming into existence resulting from the entanglements prior to the Big Bang. There's no rocks. There's no no rocks. Notice I didn't say rock or butthole. So nothing smashed together in the Big Bang theory. Nothing, nothing. So everything just happened from nothing. Together, it's entanglement. There is no nothing. No, no, I never said. Oh, it's called entanglement. So they didn't smash rocks. Got entangled is what we're saying. Particles get entangled to create space and time. So you're telling me entanglement and smashed together or wouldn't be similar adjectives? I don't think so. Like in football, James played football. It seems to tackle. If I got like an entanglement, if I got I'm in smashing together, that's similar. You could say I got entangled with that guy. Yeah, an entanglement. What to rock an entanglement and to in smashing are the same things. You tell me that the Big Bang theory had no rock smashing, but it just had rocks getting entangled with each other. There were no rocks at the Big Bang. Rocks came much later. So what was the matter? Rocks didn't exist until like several million years ago. The rocks didn't exist. So what was the matter that got entangled? It wasn't. It was energy. It was waves. And that created trees and that created dirt. Yes. So so first it was just way. You believe that? You believe that? Actually demonstrated in a lab, because that's what you can demonstrate that in a lab. I'd like to know what lab that exists. It were a large drawn collider. They have a production with that, that whatever that collider. That's been the biggest dud ever. They made the Tom Hanks is the one that clicked it on for the first time. That you telling me in that collider, you think they created everything from nothing? That's your proof that the Big Bang theory was true, that everything came from literally nothing getting entangled. Come on. Yes. We can discover new particles. I really believe that you're not that from that don't in the waves. That's and they literally just discovered a new one like two weeks ago. So like they've made tons of discoveries with it, like nothing. You're saying even remotely comes close to describing reality. So like like nothing. You say everything came from nothing. What reality says that no one says that. OK, well, what got entangled then? What matter got entangled? Because like the earth, I'm saying you can touch the earth. It's a physical thing. So did physical stuff get entangled that had like a matt did matter? Something that hadn't matter get entangled. So waves, waves and fields are what exist. And those waves and fields interact to produce matter. Matter wasn't there originally, but I'm still I still see no. You've presented no argument for a God here. You're just saying you can't explain this and then I explain it. And then you say you can't explain this and then I explain it. But you haven't actually said anything indicating God done it. What are you talking about? You haven't said anything. You don't even have any to explain your own theory on the Big Bang theory. I mean, you've you've you've literally proved nothing like you're trying to disprove God, but can we get to the God done it argument? Yeah, I'm just saying there has to be a creator. I mean, I think there just has to be the architecture of this earth is too complicated for it to have spun from nothing. That's just impossible. And that's just common logic. I'm not even trying to get. I'm just saying something has to something can't come from nothing. That's just common logic, dude. No, there has to be no one in physics says that. Well, I say it. So and I'm prime time, 99 Alex Sine. I'm like one of the smartest guys in Dallas County. So if I'm saying it, that's all that. And that's all you need to know to jump. So listen, what I say, everyone agrees that something cannot come from nothing. No one says something came from nothing. That is not a thing in physics. They better not say it. They better not say it to me. There are big problems. I'll just tell you that much because I'm still still. So so your argument was there must be a God because stuff is complex. That that was your argument 100. Well, in a way, yeah, I think the system is too complex. It's that simple. And why do you think complex things require a designer? Well, because it just can't happen accidentally. It's like, look, how how does it start? Explain why I'm saying like the fact the idea that a tree comes from a seed. They're just that is such an intense thing. Photosynthesis, whatever you want to call it, that the sun can create life. That is actually from God. Now, is that God being like who breathing in? It's his creation creating. So yes, I just believe that he creates a system that creates things within the system. I know that sounds crazy. And there was a time when I was like you. I was, you know, like had a lot of self down care if it sounds crazy. I need an argument. Can you like put it like premise one, premise to conclusion form? Because right now you're just repeating the exact same thing you said at the beginning, which is you think God is necessary. God is necessary to exist because who would have even made the matter smash together? I mean, who would even created that? So you tell me that you just think there was we were existing. These rocks, this entanglement was just flying through space. So this dark matter, what got that energy in motion? Uh, it was always in motion. Like there was always a thing there, which was the natural thing. And it was always the way it was changing. It has some nature just like God has a nature. And so so why do you think God is nature? You lose nature is a word to describe the properties that you describe to an idea. So unicorns have a nature if they exist. So so if you hypothetically, I think unicorns exist. You think unicorns exist, huh? No, no, that's not how it works. So you claim that God is necessary because who caused the rocks, but holes to smash together? That's that's yes. That's your yes. OK, so now imagine there's no God, but there's an eternal, all powerful universe with no consciousness and it's always existed. It can cause things, rocks, but holes to smash together, just as well as a God can, right? Well, the thing is, I don't know how you describe God, but I don't think God is like this guy that looks like primetime 99. Alex, I'm like, I know you probably think God looks a lot like me because I'm so badass looking. I'm so handsome, but I don't think God looks like me. Easy conscious. That's what I'm saying is, is I think God probably is just a consciousness. Just OK, OK, so so like our are we can't comprehend what God is. You see, I don't I have no need to comprehend God here. So we have universe A with the consciousness God thingy and he causes the rocks, but holes to smash together. Universe B with a nonconscious natural thingy and it causes the rocks, but holes to smash together. Why is it necessary to have a God if you can have a universe without a consciousness? Do the same thing. I don't believe you can have a universe without a consciousness to create everything coming from nothing. That's why we have to go to the evolutionary thing. I don't believe why is it not possible? I'm saying the process is impossible. You've never proved we don't have the transitional species of man. It's impossible. Don't just say it's impossible. Say it's possible because because a dog and a cat can't fuck and have a cat. I mean, they just think it doesn't work. There's just some things that just don't work. You know what I mean? There's two species. I can't fuck a dolphin. Big bang. We're talking big bang rocks, but holes. We're not talking. But it all goes back to that the Big Bang. So I'm trying to prove God. You're asking me to prove God, right? So we're using Big Bang. I'm saying I have to use evolution because you're saying that everything came from nothing. So that means that literally you and me right now, this computer evolved from pond scum over billions of years. That's what you're saying. That's what you're saying. You're saying that a man had to evolve to create the computer. Right. Didn't a man have to be didn't it? Did a human build this computer? Yes. So a human had to evolve to this part in species to be able to create a power plant or a production plant to make a computer. Computers are built in power plants. Is that correct? Is that what you're saying? Whatever a computer plant. OK, you know, we can argue semantics. What is a technology plan? What the fuck? It's built by a man. I'm saying technology. It took time to just farm technology on trees. Is that how it works? I don't know how the fuck an assembly line at a fucking tech monitor company, how they make monitors. I'm sorry to jump. I'm not. I don't have that badass chair. I don't look at monitors all day, but I know that man created monitors. And I know that man didn't evolve from pond scum, but you did. So that means vice versa. If so fact, though, the monitor came from man. So it came from the evolution of pond scum. What does it so fact I mean? It means fuck you, T John. That's what it means. OK, so back to the Big Bang. So so you so ignore forget evolution for a minute. We're just going to go one step at a time. Just just the Big Bang. So you have one universe with the conscious being who created the Big Bang and one universe that's just an eternal, all powerful nature and it could create the Big Bang, too. So we're not at the no evolution yet, just only particles and planets, no life. Just so it's possible to have a non god create a universe, right, without evolution. No, no, not with the organization. It's too complicated. No, why? What what organization problems are there? Every single problem, dude. How did you just look at the complexity of man? Dude, we are two complex beings. Main. So don't forget. No, you don't have a transitional species. No, I'm just saying there's no way I was a monkey. No evolution yet. We're just talking about planets and rocks and matter. All of that could be created without a God, couldn't it? No, I don't think all that can happen without a God. Why not? What what is it about the rocks that can't be created without a God? Because somebody has to put it in motion. So whether, you know, God creates whether we're living in some sort of like simulation or he creates a reality we live in for his entertainment, I believe is what I think. I know that sounds crazy, but I just don't. I just don't think it. I just don't think that I don't listen. Like I said, it's a theory, the evolutionary theory. You know, you can say we're not. I know, but I'm saying it's a theory because it's improvable because the facts don't back it up. So that's that's mine because that is so absurd. Well, this is my argument. I'm saying because of what the story they tell us is so absurd that that everything came from nothing. And then I've all from pond scum is a proof for God because it shows you yes, this is why because they're hiding God. They want to hide the existence of God. So the effort that they're putting into hide God proves that he's real. Yeah, they're hiding God in rocks, but holes. But let's go back to the Big Bang. I never said that. You said that. You said that. I didn't say that. Yep. You got it first for me. NASA is hiding God in rocks. But I didn't say that. I didn't say NASA's hiding God in rocks, but I said that. I'm saying that. I'm telling you, I'm an insider with the government. I work at Area 51. I've seen God. He's trapped. I know you're a butthole expert. I know you're a butthole expert. I know that. So so we're going back to the big minutes before the Q&A. We'll redirect back to the actual topic. Oh, God. OK. OK. So so you said there were these problems that just all of the problems all of the problems with with a universe being created without a God with just rocks. What one what is one of these all of problems? What are you talking about? So so I remember I said there's two possible universes, one with a God who created all the rocks and stuff. And one with they just natural, all-powerful, eternal universe that created the rock stuff. Why is that impossible? And you said there's all of these problems, just all of the problems. I want to know the problems. Why is it a problem for an all-powerful universe to create the rocks without a consciousness? Because the rocks are so complicated, they couldn't have formed and forced themselves to smash into each other. I've never seen things make themselves together, don't have a consciousness. Complicated things require a mind. Because it's not just complicated things. It's so complicated that man can't even figure it out. It's not like, oh, an aspirin helps a headache or something. It's not this is really seriously stuff. Gnosticism that we don't understand. So that's why it's so complicated. It must be a big mind. It's probably, yes, I believe if it's if we can't figure it out, it's probably some creator or being that's smarter than us. So back 2000 years ago, when we couldn't figure out lightning, it must have been Zeus. Maybe we couldn't figure out lighting. When we couldn't figure out lightning. I've never heard that story. That's probably fake news. What do you mean? I mean, how do we even know what lightning is today? They say lightning comes up from the ground. I mean, we're talking about lightning. Lightning, you're the one that likes lightning. That comes, that hit the premortial suit that started the abiogenesis, right? You're always talking about lightning. Is that, and now as you say. So, so history is this field where we study the past. And there is this guy named Thomas Edison who created a kite and he tied up a metal rod to it. They got. Well, the light, that lightning had energy. I'm just saying, but you're saying 2000 years ago, we didn't figure out lightning had energy. I mean, what do you say? I mean, what are you saying? We didn't know what lightning was. We couldn't know how it was caused, what created it. And you're saying that if humans don't know, can't figure it out, therefore it must be a big mind daddy. Then 2000 years ago, when we couldn't figure out lightning, using your same logic, it's reasonable to conclude lightning was created by the Zeus sky daddy. Maybe Zeus could create, yeah. I mean, that's a lot of Greek mythology. They thought that there's multiple gods. That's what they thought. I'm not saying that they're insane. I mean, they think they're not off the mark that there could be multiple gods. I don't know. So you think it's reasonable that if we can't figure something out, every time we can't figure something out. No, I don't think every time. No, that's not what I'm saying. You know that, dude. That's an over-generalization of my opinion. Okay, what are you saying? That seems like what you're saying. What I'm saying is that personal thing is so complex. Our system is so complex that we can't find a transitional species. We can't figure out how that, you know, you're saying Darwin created that. You said rocks. You said rocks are so complex they couldn't be created. We can't accurately date rocks. What I'm saying is we don't really know how long we've been here. Some scientists can look at a kick lip board and be like, it does because we don't know how long we've been here. So we don't know our real history. So we don't know how long it's been here. I have to do with the universe creating rocks, whether or not we know how old the rocks are. What is, that doesn't make sense. We're talking about rocks. I think the age of the rocks is important. I'm confused what your question is. So my question is a universe without a mind could create the rocks just fine. And you're saying no rocks are too complicated for a universe that's infinitely powerful to create rocks. And I'm asking you, why do you think the rocks are complicated? And why do you think you need a mind to do complicated stuff? And then you started talking about dating rocks. Why do you need a mind to do complicated stuff? Because it's, you know, you have to have, stuff doesn't just happen on its own. It needs a force. It needs something to, you know, push it. And so that's why I believe a creator had to breathe that life into it. So it needs something to push it. Okay, so yes. Yeah, I mean, how, what got there's emotion? But what got the big bang in motion? What got it in motion, Tijona? So I agree with you that you need some cause to have an effect. Yes. Does the cause need to be conscious? No. And this is where you keep saying it needs a cause. Therefore it has a mind, but you haven't shown it needs a mind. You just keep saying it needs a cause. So the cause can be a non-conscious thing and then you still have a cause. So why do you need a conscious cause? If you think God has the same consciousness of you and I, it's different. So when describing God's consciousness, I have no idea what that is. I mean, you know, God could be his connection with Mother Earth. I don't know, you know, what the consciousness of the creator is. It's way too complex for me, but I'm just saying the system that we have is so functional. When you look at the sun, moon and stars, they're literally a clock in the sky that give us and tell us time. We look at the system that is so fragile that was created. I'm just telling you, this system was created by a creator. We created time to measure the stars. The stars aren't there to measure. So you're telling me the sun describes the time, dude, how much light we have. No, time describes the sun. We made time up to describe the sun. False, false, dude, false. We use that as a clock. That's how farmers grow stuff. That's how we've always used the sun as a clock. Yeah, the sun, moon and solar clock in the sky. It's still off of the topic. So the argument is, is that? What I'm saying is the sun, moon and stars being such a complicated system that God had to create it. You're like, I don't think two rocks match together. And then the sun and the moon and the stars perfectly aligned together. That's impossible that this system, everything came from nothing. That's what I'm saying. Everything didn't come from nothing. We have way too complex of a system. The system I'm using right now didn't evolve from pond scum, dude. I'm using a computer that was created by man that was created by a creator. Just like this monitor is created by somebody. I was created by somebody. You were created by somebody. So we're still waiting for an answer to this question. Like it seems like the cause could be a conscious thing with a, I don't know what kind of consciousness God has. I don't care. Or it could be a completely non-conscious thing that has zero consciousness and therefore cannot be God. And it's just an eternal, all powerful universe. It could cause stuff too. So if both the conscious thing and the not conscious thing that is clearly not a God can cause stuff and they could both cause the universe, why do you think that the rocks could not be created without a consciousness? I'm saying, I don't know God's consciousness, but they couldn't have just come out of thin air. They couldn't have, everything couldn't have come from nothing is what I'm trying to say. So you're talking about the entanglement. No one says that. No one says there was nothing. You're saying that they got entangled. I wanna clear this up. So either there's a God who is eternal and always been there or there is a universe that's eternal and always been there. There was always something. There was never nothing. There's always something there. It was a natural non-conscious something or a supernatural God conscious something. And that something produced more somethings of the universe, the rocks. So if both of the God something or the natural non-conscious something can both produce rocks, why do you need the consciousness? So they both came from something. There was no nothing. I don't think the non-conscious thing can produce rocks. I don't think that's the case because I don't think everything can come from nothing. I think there has to be some sort of, that's what you said, dude. You said, you said- If there's a non-conscious thing, that isn't nothing. Cause if there is a non-conscious thing is there. I think things had to get in motion by somebody. I think things had to get in motion by somebody to push it. I just think cause and effect. So that's what I'm saying. So I'm happy with cause and effect, but the cause doesn't need to be a conscious cause. It can be an unconscious or non-conscious. I believe it to be, we just have to agree and disagree. I believe it was a conscious cause. Yes, yes, I understand. You believe it was a non-conscious cause. I want to see why. The question I can ask you is- Because I believe the system that we live is so complicated. I believe the sun, moon and stars, they're at sky clock. And the fact that we are graced with life is such a special thing. Like I realized that when I, like you said, I can't prove God, but I know that I have a connection with God, that I have faith in God. So that's all the proof I need. And it's not my job. Like I said, I know this is a debate. I can't just tell you how I feel. Like it doesn't compute that way. But I can just tell you- Well, that's what you're doing. You don't make any arguments. Just keep telling me how you feel. So I mean, I keep asking- Because I'm saying, you're saying everything came from nothing. So I don't agree with you that a non-conscious mind can create everything. Literally not. I'm saying a non-conscious mind cannot create everything is what I'm trying to say, is what I'm trying to say. Yes, but you haven't explained why. That's the problem. You keep saying, well, stuff in the universe is complex. Why do you think complexity requires a mind? You keep saying so. It's because it's not just complexity. It's the severity of the complexity. The amount of complexity is still complexity. The word complexity encompasses all amounts of complexity. So why- It's not just complex, like playing a video game on a hard level. It's a little more intense than that. And we don't have all the- The amount of complexity doesn't change the word complexity. Yes, it does. So you tell me knee surgery is the same as brain surgery? No. Are those the same thing? One's more complex than the other. The word complexity. There's levels of complexity. Is brain surgery and knee surgery, are they both complex? Are they both complex surgeries? I'm just asking you this. Is knee surgery and brain surgery complex surgery? Yes. Oh, it's one more complex than the other. Yes. There you go. OK, so does the word complexity apply to both of them? Yes. Oh, my God. So when I say, why do you think- There's levels of complexity, which you agree to. So the levels of complexity, it's so complex. The sun, moon, and stars, being a clock in the sky is so complex that it can't just be an accident, a cosmic accident is my argument. There you go. Yeah, but why? Why do you think that something so improbable requires a mind and couldn't come about by determined forces? Like, if you keep on saying why? Because that's just how the universe works. It has to be caused in effect. So there had to be something to cause it. That's what I'm saying. Yes, there has to be a cause. You haven't said it needs to be conscious. So there is a complex thing that exists. I believe there has to be a conscious cause because it's a created such a complex system that it couldn't have been created accidentally. OK, so why couldn't a complex system be created accidentally? What is what is the problem? Because we have no proof of it. We can't prove a biogenesis in a lab. We can't make two cells split on their own today. You can prove God in a lab. I can feel God in my heart. Can you prove God in a lab? Yes. I'll tell you how. I'll tell you how. I'll tell you how you can take DNA. You can take DNA from my dick and put it on an egg. I'll tell you how you can take my DNA. You can put it on an egg and create life. Can you do that, T-Jump? Can you do that? Hey, I'm real quick. Can you take my DNA and put it on an egg? How does that prove God? Well, that's it. That's you being in control. Are you creating life? Like I'm just saying that, you know. So that's my proof that in a way you have some God in you. Yes. Yeah, you're a part of this creation. So so go ahead and prove God in a lab for me. I will I'll be waiting for the results. All I did is in virtue, feeder and fertilization is how that's God. That's playing God proves proves God. And somehow. Yeah, because we can play with his creation a little bit. Yeah. Look at the trees. The trees are a perfect example of God. I mean, just look how complex they are. I'm ready to go to Q and A. I can just. We are going into Q and A, folks. I want to say thanks for your question. Thanks for your super chat that just came in. Timothy Foster, by the way, and want to let you know, though, folks, we are excited. I don't know if you know this. We're on podcasts. Yeah, these podcast apps, for example, right there. Stitcher, Apple, et cetera, want to let you know stoked. We just dropped our latest Matt Dillahunty debate on the podcast for modern day debate today. And so, oh yeah, if you haven't found us on your favorite podcast app yet, do so. You won't regret it. So also want to let you know, if you're listening via podcast or via YouTube, our guests, T-Jump and Alex Stein are linked in the description for both. Hey, somebody said you put the wrong link for me in the description, T-Jump. Let me know, James, sorry. Yeah, I linked it to point help. I will fix that. So thank you very much, Alex, for letting me know about that and very excited to jump into these questions. So thanks everybody for your questions. This first one coming in from Sigma Any. Appreciate all the love of Sigma. Good to see you, buddy. He says, universe is curly and not fine-tuned enough for James to be on time. That's true. I always tell our guests, if we start on time, our audience would be nervous. They think something's wrong. Sigma Any, thanks for your, or I should say, Brian Williamson, thanks for your question. Who would win in a boxing match? Alex or T-Jump? I see as a man, prime time, nine to nine. I mean, you have the guns, you have those guns, but see the thing is, I have God on my side. So I have the power of the creator, so I would win. I was at the University of Minnesota Boxing Club. Juicy. So I have the power of God. How do you like that? I was at the University of God's Boxing Club. Once we're in person, folks, that might be, maybe we'll get a little, you know, a little exhibition match. Anytime, anytime, T-Jump. Thank you for your question, said the big bang. That's what they called the modern day debate, Dallas event last year. That's funny. That's right, Alex, you live in Dallas, and we didn't even know that. We hosted Nathan and Team Skeptic in person. You live in Dallas? Yeah, I live in Dallas, and where do you live in Dallas? No. Oh, Team Skeptic lives in Dallas. That was our, yeah, that's right. Yeah, okay, your turn. I should have gone, I watched a debate. Is that some bar, or we're in a tattoo parlor or something, I don't know. Yes, humbly. I should have gone, I watched it. But that's not Sebastian, sorry to cut you off. Sebastian, thanks for your question, says, I think it's my mission to advocate for presuppositional, literalist apologetics of the ancient Egyptian book of the dead to annoy Christian presupps. Thank you, Sebastian. And I don't know if Alex is a presupp of any type. I don't think Alex knows it. All right, next up. I think that word is too many syllables for Alex. It doesn't have enough syllables for me. I'm prime time 99, it doesn't have enough syllables to jump. That's a problem, you don't understand me, dude. All right, listen, I was in a pill bottle fighting that chair, but I still won, easily. Experiments of pre-abiotics, thanks for your question, says, get 10 people in a room, ask them their birthday. The odds that those 10 people would have those 10 birthdays is one in 42 trillion. But there they are, the odds they would have some birthday is 100%. I think that's for you, Alex. Yeah, that's still, I mean, there's still better odds in the creation of the universe, so you lose. Next up, this one coming in from, I hope you appreciate your question, MikeQ922. Good to see you, it says, most Christians and theists accept the Big Bang as part of creation. I only heard, few don't. The fact is the universe had a beginning. I think the universe had a beginning. You know, God is pressed play, he had to play button dog. Brian Williamson says, T-Jump is a deep fake, proved me wrong. Next, maybe, Jay Fergie, thanks for your question, says, Alex, what evidence do you have that substantiates your claim? What evidence would the opposite have to provide to falsify your claim? Go ahead, Alex, we'll let you go with what evidence do you have to substantiate your claim? My dad and mom did each other, and that's how I got here, and so I just believe that it's such a complicated system. That's my claim, is that I'm here living on earth. If I wasn't alive, then I wouldn't be able to say this, but my life, the breath that I'm breathing, is my proof. Gotcha, and this next question- And you can't prove that I'm not breathing right now, so. This next question from them, they said if T-Jump wants to jump in, what evidence would the opposition have to provide to falsify Alex's position? Tom Jumple, what would it take to falsify Alex's position? A multilingualist who can speak 26 different languages and make it into a coherent argument in the first place. Juicy, and this one coming in from J. Fergie-Aganza's statement, E equals MC squared, explains a lot. Alex, I think that's for you. Yeah, Einstein married his cousin and he even said that our perception would be the same if the sun, moon, and stars were rotating around us, or if we were rotating, proving that it's a clock in the sky. So he admitted that it's a sky clock and it's too complicated of a system that sun, moon, and stars for there not to be some sort of person that put that system in order. Mary's cousin, nasty guy. David, thanks for your question, says- First cousin. If everything is expanding from the point of the big bang, how is it that there are meteorites and asteroids crashing into planets and moons? Because gravity, smaller objects, get whipped around the larger objects and then get spun off in the other directions. And so the smaller objects can get thrown into other larger objects. Gotcha, this one coming in from Spicey Rhodes says, science has methods to date rocks. How does Alex date rocks? I'll tell you how I do. What I do is I piss on the rock and then whoever asked me that question, I would urinate on them as well for asking me how I date a rock. That's my answer. Gotcha. Next up, thank you. Will Stewart says, so Tom, are you saying that matter is infinite? How do we test that? Is that not a presupposition? No, no one thinks matter is infinite. I actually said that the fields are probably infinite or they expand everywhere in our universe, but no one's claiming there's infinite stuff there. Gotcha. Spicey Rhodes says, how does Alex date rocks? They're holding your feet to the fire here, Alex. I don't know how to date a rock. Besides urinating. I'm saying this, I don't date, besides urinating, I don't know. And obviously I'm speaking metaphor. I don't want to urinate on any of it. I'm just saying, I don't know how to date a rock. I can't look at it. I just look at it and think the thing's old, but they tell me that the degradation of carbon proves it. It's just, I don't, the carbon dating is inaccurate. It's just, there's no way to prove it because they've taken rocks lava that had just hardened and then they did carbon dating and they prove that the rocks were millions of years old, yet they were like less than a day old. So it just doesn't make sense. It's not accurate. Tom, you look triggered. What's your response? He just doesn't know how physics and geology work. So the rocks- I understand it very well. I'm a physicist, I'm a geologist. Kent Hovind, PhD probably. So dating rocks with certain dating methods like carbon dating only works within the range of like 50,000 years. So anyone who dated a rock immediately after it was made with carbon dating would be dumb. Secondly, it would only be measuring the carbon that was accumulated in the stuff that made the rock, not the rock itself. So it wouldn't actually measure anything if you measured using carbon dating right after it was made. That's stupid. There's literally- That's happened. That's happened. They've taken rocks- Some creationists have done that. I'm just saying. So it proves that it's inaccurate. I mean, that's all I got. No, it proves that it doesn't work for rocks that are just created and it only works for the specific time. Oh, it only works for the old rocks. Yeah, sure. That's a cute story, bro. Yeah, it only works for certain rocks. Rulers, a one-foot ruler can't measure a 30-foot- It's funny, the rock that doesn't work in their system is the one rock it doesn't work on. Sure. No, all the different dating methods have specific timeframes when they do work and don't work and there's a list. You can like check them online and see if it's one of the dating methods that do or don't for that timeframe. Scientists do this all the time. They're different rulers for different things. You need like a 10-pound scale can't weigh a car. You need a bigger scale. So trying to weigh a car with a 10-pound scale is going to get you a problem. It doesn't mean scales don't work. Yeah, it means that scales are inaccurate, that's what I'm saying, yeah. The scales that they use to date rocks are accurate. Seth, can Alex explain his process to determine that rocks are created rather than not created? Any falsifiable and testable predictions? Well, my one proof is this, is everything doesn't come from nothing. That's the main argument. You're trying to tell me that a rock was created out of thin air, that matter got entangled and just created rockster, the sun, moon, stars, the oceans. I just don't think that's possible. I think it's impossible. That's my stance. I think it's impossible for everything to come from nothing, and that's your story, and that's a cute story, but it's impossible. Next up, this one coming in from Sunflower says, Tom, invoking God for the origin of the universe is categorically different than invoking God to explain phenomena that we can observe, such as lightning. No, it's literally not. They're just different phenomenon. So there are certain things of lightning we can't see. I can't see the lightning in Tokyo right now. Does that mean it's the same? No, you can't just say, well, ah, this is a smaller event. Therefore, it's different than the big events. It's just literally a God of the gaps. You're just pushing God back to the things we can't explain and say, no, it's different. It's not. Next up, Timothy Foster says, Alex, if something can't come from nothing, what created your God? It must have needed some other consciousness to create it by your logic. Well, maybe it created itself. Next up. I don't know. I mean, there's could be multiple guys. I don't know. Like there could be other levels to this game of life that we don't know, can you see what I'm saying? There's other dimensions. So in those dimensions, there could be one God. There could be multiple gods. I don't know. But there is a God. Gotcha. This one coming in from, appreciate your question. Jamie Russell says, God did nothing. Now look at my Arrowhead collection. Also, wind and erosion made Mount Rushmore naturally, says Tom Jump. What? So he said, quoting you, God did nothing. Now look at my Arrowhead collection. Also, wind and erosion made Mount Rushmore naturally. I think they're making, they're saying if you can, this is my guess, that they're saying if you can find Arrowheads and have enough discernment to recognize that they're designed, then I think they're trying to allude to other things that you, I don't know. I'm shooting in the dark here. It's hard to know based on just the super chat. I do actually have several genuine Arrowheads. So I guess I have an Arrowhead collection. I don't think I've ever mentioned it before though. Yeah, we can conclude Arrowheads are designed because we can observe the methodology by which they're designed and the things that design them. There is no such methodology or indication that any particles or rocks were designed in any way. So it's not analogous to compare the universe to Arrowheads when we can literally observe the function and design of Arrowheads. We can't observe any function or design of anything that humans didn't make. Gotcha, this one coming in from Harman Walker says, TJ, are you saying Big Bang is not a part of evolution? If no, then you have no debate. Heliocentric equals no creator, sad in all caps. Yeah, cosmology in the Big Bang and biology and evolution are completely separate fields. You need different degrees for those two things. They're like engineering versus art. They're completely separate kinds of things. There's no evolution in the Big Bang, not how it works. What was the second thing he said that? They said, if no, then you have no debate. Heliocentric equals no creator, sad. Heliocentric, we revolve around the sun. Like the earth goes around the sun and you can watch it go around the sun. So if heliocenters are crucial, God. Not true, go ahead. Then there's no doubt. Go ahead, Tom, I'm sorry. Nope, I'm happy with that. Awesome, and he says, Alex, as a geo-proctologist, I'll need you to cite your sources. I'd be very interested in following up on the butthole universe hypothesis. And that's what I'm saying. Three rocks pooped out this universe. We'll talk about it later. Chris Gammond says, Alex, can your God exist and the Big Bang be real at the same time? Why or why not? How have you possibly won this debate? Well, first of all, I'm the smartest guy to ever debate on this channel. On Prime Time 99, I was anointed from God on a mission from God. So I win every debate, every time I talk, I win. On Prime Time 99, it's from Junior Stein on the ground all the time, so I'm unbeatable. But other than that, I forget the question. Say the question again, what was it? The question was, why can't it be that there's both a God and a Big Bang? Well, I think you could say maybe God created the one, the Big Bang is when they made the rocks mesh together, but the timeline doesn't make sense. Like, I don't think the, you know, they date, I don't believe the time of the date of the earth is accurate. I believe it's very inaccurate. Jay Fergie asks, Alex, can you provide an argument for your position for a creator, quote, or in parentheses, of our physical universe in particular that isn't irrelevant thought analogies for human-made objects? I don't even understand the question. They're saying like, they're saying your thought analogy where you use the kind of the Ray Comfort slogan of a building needs a builder, a design needs a designer. They're saying, do you have an argument besides that, which they would refer to as an irrelevant thought analogy? Oh, I see, yeah. I mean, I don't really think that's an irrelevant thought analogy. I mean, it's just any system that's in place is a complicated system and it has multiple moving parts where it's a work. It's like a car engine. Think of how complicated a car engine is. Like you and I, we don't even know how to fix a car unless you're a mechanic. And that's just anybody can create an engine. I mean, there's like Filipino mechanics, you know, a Shade Tree mechanics, you know, working cars. I'm just saying complicated systems are figureoutable, but there's some complicated systems that are so complicated, like where we came from that I just believe it's a complexity thing it's so complex that it can't be an accident. Everything can't come from nothing. That's too complex of a theory for me to believe. Next up, P. Barn says, if the sky is a clock, why have we changed the calendar so many times? What about leap years? I'll stick to my Casio. Thanks. Every four years we have a leap year, but I mean, that just shows you that the time is right. I mean, 24 hours in the day, the sun always comes up. I mean, it's just the same thing. You can literally measure the year with the sun. You can measure the month with the moon. It's 13, 28 day cycles. Like that's not an accident. And if you just think the sun, moon and stars or there's cosmic accident, there's so many things that had to go perfectly in place, not just for the galaxies to align, but just for the physical stuff on this universe to align for you to happen. So it's just, it's impossible. It's impossible. Gotcha. This one coming in from Will Stewart, following up, going after Tom yet again says, Tom, please correct me if I'm wrong, but you said an eternal, non-conscious something. Is that not infinite? Is that something not matter? No, that wouldn't be matter. It would be a form of energy. So it would be a something that would be infinite as a hypothetical. It's not a theory in physics. That's my hypothetical alternative to show that you don't need God to create a universe. So it's not a theory in physics that actually requires there to be an infinite thing like that. Gotcha, Matt. One thing I want to say, well, one thing I want to say, I didn't bring up the Fibonacci sequence, but the Fibonacci sequence also is a very complicated sequence that basically proves the creation of God because of the complexity of it and how the recurrence of it in society. So everybody needs to look up the Fibonacci sequence. Juicy. And this one coming in from Matthew Steele says, in the spirit of this debate topic, does anyone want to debate me on Easter rabbits laying eggs versus chickens? Thanks so much. He was a joke, Alex. Next up, Alex Shaw has things for your question says, as what did God create everything? I think they're saying, Alex, what did God create everything from? Nothing? No, no, God is the creator. I mean, he's the one that formed his breath, I guess. But he's the one, the system was so complicated that he's the one that put the stuff in play. He put the energy that created everything. That is what you see here today. It's not an accident that came from nothing. It's the point I'm trying to make. Juicy, this one from Franks92. Good to see you again, Franks as well. Says, Tom, one of these days, your face is going to stay crooked like that. It might be tonight. Next up, Mike Q922 says, T-Jump, Alex, what are your thoughts on the second law of thermodynamics? Universe running down, eventually usable energy will run out to sustain life. Well, I mean, they think energy will run out eventually. I don't know if that's necessarily true. I mean, unless the sun burns out or something, unless like the stars in the sun and the galaxies collapse, I don't think there'll always be energy. They're saying the whole universe. Is this going to shut off? Something like that. Beta, I don't think the universe is going to shut off. Heat death in the universe because energy is expanding outwards and separating. That's what they say, but they can't measure the expansion of the universe. Not expansion of the universe, expansion of energy, heat, things that are hot, get colder everywhere, everywhere in the universe. Yeah, but things can get warmer, they can go hot, so I don't, it's not right. No, they can't. Energy. They say climate change is real. Climate change is fake, so. Second law of thermodynamics is not the same as... Isn't that gas because it's available space? Isn't that the second law of thermodynamics? No, second law of thermodynamics is entropy. Entropy always increases. Oh yeah, the thing is, that's what they say, the earth is in a constant state of entropy, but I think you could argue that the earth is actually, I mean, like you say expanding, entropy would be it's not expanding. So like, which one is it? Are you saying that the universe is expanding or is the universe collapsing in entropy? The entropy has nothing to do with the size, it has to do with the... Well, entropy is like the degradation of the universe. The entropy is degrading. The amount of usable energy in the universe is going down, like the heat on the sun is going down because it's emitting the energy. So the energy that was in the sun is now outside of the sun. What proof do you have that the sun is dimming? You have proof that the sun is changing temperature and getting colder? Yeah, right, I'd like to see that. It's actually getting hotter, but yes, we can measure the temperature of the sun and say it's changing because of the composition and it is changing. See, I've also heard the argument that it's the actual, the carbon dioxide causes holes in the ozone layer and so that the sun is going through, there's less stuff blocking the sun, that's why it's getting hotter. So that has nothing to do with the changing temperature of the sun from the start. Yes, you're right, that has nothing to do with the changing temperature or the changing temperature has to do with... So what causes climate change? Either the sun getting hotter or is it from the degradation of our ozone? I said nothing about climate change, we can measure the temperature change in the sun of multiple stars that have nothing to do with climate change. We must go to the next question, which is Jay Fergie, we appreciate your questions, this T-jump. Is it fair to say there isn't a universal beginning and the universe goes through a constant cycle of expansion and contraction or collapsing? That's one of the hypotheses, the cyclic universe model, and I don't prefer that one, like Sean Carroll's model where there's one past expansion and one past collapse is preferable, I guess, which is to, but I don't prefer the cyclic model where there's a bunch of infinite expansions and collapse, but it's more reasonable than a God, because at least it's a model in physics and answers some of the questions in physics. Next up, Chris Gammon says, so the Big Bang might have happened, what is the debate topic again? Well, it's God versus the Big Bang, so if you're gonna say that the Big Bang happened, I mean, I'm just saying, if you wanna say that, then God created the Big Bang. I don't think the Big Bang could happen without a creator, is that argument, but that's just an argument that I don't necessarily believe that God created the Big Bang and that we evolved from nothing. I don't, I'm just saying, even if you believe that, there had to be a God that created that made the rock smash together and get entangled as T-jump says. Next up, Matthew Steele says, Alex, the day is not 24 hours long. It's 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.09 seconds. Look it up. Yes, but it's, the way the sun, moon and stars work, it's a clock in the sky. Look at the Big Dipper, it's rotating. I'm just saying, it's literally how we tell times, how we tell the days by the rise of the sun and the setting of the sun, I mean. Which solar system in the universe would not have a clock? What are you talking about? I'm just saying it's the complexity of the clock that it's so perfect that our systems work with it is that's why it's created by God. I guess every system you can measure, you can measure anything and call it, you know, a clock. I'm saying our clock is so perfect, the way that it vibes with us is that it's so complex that a creator had to create the sky clock. So if we lived on Alpha Centauri and all of our clocks were based on the 27 hour day, would it be any different? It had to be a lot different because our bodies aren't built for it to be on the 27 hour day and the way we grow stuff, everything, yeah, it would be different, yes. Philosopher Tiger, thanks for your question, says, Alex, are you a bird? Thanks for the fun debate. I'm prime time nine and nine. I mean, I don't have that cool freaking sleeveless shirt and that badass chair, like T-jump in that cool Arrowhead collection. I don't have that. I didn't know somebody could be that cool having an Arrowhead collection and a chair like that. I didn't know that was legal in the United States, but why are you learning something new every debate? Gotcha, Sebastian says, please ask Tom Jumb if you would debate Mr. Batman on the historicity of the flood of Noah. Sure, set up, James, give us Batman back. Juicy, I will be in touch with Mr. Batman. It may not be immediately. We do have even that same topic set up with Erica and Mr. Batman. It's, you could say, indefinitely dated. So we are not sure when that debate's gonna happen, though they've agreed to it, but it might be further out. But we will work to make that happen. We are also excited, folks. Will Stewart, thanks for your last minute question, said Tom. How exactly did energy turn into all of the known elements of the universe? If the elements already existed, would they not be infinite then? No, the fields existed and the fields collapsed to produce hydrogen and plasma and the hydrogen and plasma grouped together to produce stars and the stars increased the gravity to collapse the hydrogen atoms together to make heavier elements. And then the stars exploded through supernova and the explosion created even heavy elements by collapsing the matter inside of the stars. And that's how you produce all the elements on the periodic table. They were not eternal. None of them were. They were all produced by gravity and stars collapsing. That's how the matter and the elements were produced as Carl Sagan put it, we are made of star stuff. Interesting and wanna let you know, folks, we are excited as a very special guest on modern day debate is coming back next week. It should be a true slobberknocker. We were in talks with them and you'll have to tune in for that, but believe me, you don't wanna miss it. And so wanna say thanks to our guests who are linked in the description and that includes whether you're listening via YouTube or if you are listening via podcast or we're also, I'm working on figuring out how, so we do have Twitch folks and we are live on Twitch right now and I've gotta figure out how we can get our guest links in Twitch as well. And so we do appreciate our guests though. Tom Jump and Alex, it's been a true pleasure to have you guys. It's been a pleasure. I'll never be as cool as T-Jump. I'll never have an airhead collection. I'll never be cosmic star dust like you. I'll always believe in the creator, but T-Jump, I'd love to debate you anytime. It's always fun. I know it's hard with that chair. It gives you a big advantage and there's guns, but hey, I love it challenge because like I said before, I'm on a mission from God and tonight I think proved it. So thank you T-Jump for being such a great competitor. Thanks, yeah, I mean, I love, your analogies and speeches are some of the most entertaining and interesting of most of the people I've debated. I'll definitely say that. Brock's buttholes are hilarious. The most creative analogies I've ever heard. Even though I think what you're saying is ridiculous, it is very, very creative and the way you say it is very confident. The word is, but you're very good with words and I think I like listening to your introductions. I appreciate that T-Jump and I like debating you, sorry. Thank you. Very fun folks. I wanna say thanks everybody for hanging out with us. I'll be back with a post-credits scene in just a minute to let you know about upcoming debates as we have a lot of them, you guys. Next week is honestly going to be action-packed, like pretty much almost every day next week where we're setting up debates and so it's gonna be epic, but thanks Jay Fergie for your last minute, Super Chat said. Thank you both. Sorry I sounded harsh, Alex. You always kinda do, but I love you James. I like a little spanking. A football coach, you played football and he's a boxer. A good coach is a little tough. I wasn't apologizing, it was the Super Chatter. Oh, oh shit, okay, good. I have no apologies, but thank you guys. Yeah, you need to apologize a little. I'm just kidding, you were great. It's good for you, it makes you stronger. Now thanks everybody, we, as I mentioned, we were excited we got a lot of epic debates coming up. This Friday we're working on a three on three. We love the energy of last Friday's debate and so we're kinda testing out, we're gonna do some new stuff where sometimes we might even have, like I said, maybe like a three on three type of debate in addition to our singles debates and our tag team debates. So thanks everybody though, we do appreciate you and so we will be right back with that post credit scene. Keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable and thanks again to our guests. Peace. Oh, that was epic you guys. Thanks so much for hanging out. I just wanna get to quick hang out with you guys. I've got, oh man, I'm a little bit behind. I don't know if you guys noticed. I feel like it's been so long since I got to do a debate moderating. It was last Saturday, so it wasn't that long but four days now and I'm like, oh, it's been so long. So I am excited to be here with you guys. But the reason that I, in my ideal world, we do like Monday, Wednesday, Fridays, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, that would be like my ideal but it's been so busy lately and so I've been a little bit behind and that's why I gotta run kinda quick tonight but wanna say thank you guys so much just for hanging out here. Thanks for making it fun. Thanks for your support. Let us know, if there's a way that I can make your day easier, wanna let you know if you ever have a really hard day, my email, modernadabate at gmail.com and I'm very serious about this actually is that I am available to offer support if you're going through something hard. We do hope this feels like a community here. Sometimes people share things that I'm like, even in chat sometimes where I'm like, oh, my heart is broken for you and we wanna support people and so I wanna let you know folks, no matter what walk of life you were from we really do appreciate you. We're glad you're here. We hope you feel welcome and we just, it's fun and so thanks for being with us and so saying hi to you, getting to see you. Let's see, A-T-B-A-F-E glad that you were with us and thanks so much. So the debate on whether truth is dead or not would be great. Oh, that's interesting given like the way things are and then Pear D. Pear, thanks for being with us and then Ophir, good to see you again. N-O-X-D, glad you're back. Fox Sushi, good to see you again. Brian Griffin, glad you're back. John Rapp, pumped, you made it back. Lambie, good to see you and John Pelosi, good to see you. Long time, long time friend of the channel. Illiterate Bear, thanks for hanging out with us. Says prime time 99 on the grind all the time. Probably one of Alex's accounts but we're glad you're here anyway. Side show now, good to see you friend. Thanks for being with us. Good to, where is it? Good day to you sir, good day to you. We're glad you're here and let's see. Native Atheist, glad you're here. Ross Thatcher, says see you all Friday evening, my Saturday morning. Oh snap, you guys. This Friday, like I said, we're working on something epic, really fun, really high energy and so like for real. Ross Thatcher, I'm glad to hear you're in. Jay Fergie, thanks for all your support. Thanks for hanging out with us. Says I'll take that, Alex. Third finger from the right, glad you're here. Good to see you again. Zayn Thunder, glad you're back. Sam Dawkins, says when is the Matt Dillahunty debate? Oh, so I am, we're still in talks. So like we haven't, I know some people think like, oh, Matt will never be back on modern day debate. Matt in his last message to me actually said, he's like, ah, you know, like let me know if you got a debate that comes up and I'll think about it. So I actually suspect we'll probably host Matt again and we do enjoy Matt. We've had a good relationship. So I enjoy Matt. Like I've spent time with him in person. You guys remember that debate? Was it about a year or two? Almost a year and a half where we went to the atheist experience studio and we hosted a debate there. It's a tremendous venue. It's like by far our best quality, like produced debate. It's like beautiful. The staff there is really helpful, really friendly, really cool guys. And we really appreciate everybody there at the studio. And so we may host a debate. I've got to run it by Matt. So there's no promises. But my hope is to invite Matt back on for a debate in May. And that's like, again, up in the air, we'll see what Matt thinks and what his schedule is and all that. And so, but we are happy that chat is cleaned up. I do think that chat, there is a true, there is truth to the idea, obviously, that there is such a thing as slander. People are calling people certain things. We can let silly, petty stuff slide. Like, you know, if somebody was like, oh man, he's got like the worst hat I've ever seen. Or like, well, it's the internet. But there are some things where like, eh, no, that is slander. We're not gonna, we don't want that. So we do want to encourage you to be your regular friendly selves, attacking the arguments rather than the people. And you guys do a great job of that. It's definitely improved. And we're thankful for that. I did mention though, Sam Dawkins, we just on our podcast dropped the recent, the most recent debate that we hosted with Matt, which was between him and Samuel Nassan. And so that folks, I'm so encouraged that the podcast is useful to people. I, when I started it, I was like, why would they listen to the podcast if we're on YouTube? But a lot of people, I mean, hey, it's, you're on wifi, you can download the debates via podcast, you know? And we're on virtually every podcast app. I've worked really hard to where we're on like 20 apps. Like I'd be really surprised if you, if you can find a podcast app where you can't find us. And so I'm just so glad that it's useful because I worked really hard to get all over the place in terms of podcast apps. And I was like, what if nobody listens? But it's been useful. People have told me it's useful for like, if they're cleaning around the house, if they're working out, if they're driving, if they're on a commute to work, it's useful. And I'm encouraged by that. Cause it is, it's long form content. So you don't have to like reach down and push the next button for the next recording or something is that our debates are usually like an hour and a half at the bare minimum. So super excited though, is that check out the podcast if you haven't yet. And so, and feel free if you're like, oh man, I already listened to it all the time and I love it. Hey, give us a rating. That helps and we appreciate that support. It's just a little kind of grassroots effort. And so we appreciate that support you guys seriously. Riley the loser says, hi James, hi Riley. We're glad you're back. The triangulate, really try angle later. Thank you so much for being with us. And human girl, good to see you. It says that was Epic James. So glad you enjoyed it. And philosopher tiger, pumped you're here. Frosty, thanks so much for hanging out with us. Jamie Russell. So I have to say those two, even if it is a solid fire entertaining, yes. It is admittedly entertaining. And Brian Griffin said, what's the story behind World Goes Wild, being the theme for modern day debate? Nothing simple. I mean, nothing complex. I just like the song and I loved it. And I was like, hey, that's a great song. And so I bought like the rights to use it. And I can't even remember what website I did it but I could look it up if you wanted it. Thanks for putting my email in the chat tossing. Yeah, I do want to be there for you. Like friends, no matter what your world view is, no matter what walk away if you're from like, you know, feel free to say hi. Like I just love, I do appreciate hearing from people. I've got to be honest. My spring break starts this Friday and my goal is to spend substantial time this spring break to catch up with emails. If you've ever emailed me and not gotten a response, I'm like, I'm genuinely sorry. Cause that's something I always wanted to keep a promise of being in touch via email. And I, I haven't, I've gotten behind. It's really, it's hard, you guys. The emails have increased obviously as we've grown and that's cool. And so I'm, I regrettably, I am a little behind on emails and I'm sorry if you're waiting on one. And so thanks for your patience. And Brian Griffin says, oh, that's right. But Tuss, good to see you. Oh man, the Twitch chat. So sorry gang. But I'm so glad to see you and sorry I'm so slow. Pay Shuler, thanks so much. And that's right. It's Wednesday. So Matt is live right now. And so we, we hope, yeah, we hope Matt's doing well. Like I said, I've got a, I've always gone along well with Matt. Like I enjoy his, you know, his company and so top topotsel. Thanks for being with us. Oh, it says that's flattering. Thanks for choosing us. And so we're just glad you're here. Thanks for being here live. That's right. I'm hoping to host political debates on Wednesday because that way, yeah, but anyway, long story short. Red Ash Itaka, thanks for being with us. And topotsel, good to see you. Brooks Sparrow, good to see you. And PolarityRTM, Gorbachev, thanks for hanging out with us. We're glad you're here. And Green Bell Pepper, thanks for hanging in. And yeah, I do appreciate things. I'm excited that Twitch is growing that we have people that are hanging out in Twitch. So that's encouraging. And we do have new emotes in Twitch. And so that's pretty cool is I love the new emotes. The shocked face is my favorite. So thank, we got to give huge thanks to topotsel for helping us with those emotes and not helping us doing all of it. Like I didn't do a thing. So I want to topotsel seriously. Thank you for doing the whole deal in terms of creating all the emotes. That means a lot. Horlussi says, do you also sing along with World Goes Wild in your head during the intro? That's funny. It gets stuck in my head, that's for sure. But let's see, Green Bell Pepper says, do you think unicorns are real? I am doubtful. I don't know what, I don't exactly know what everyone means by a unicorn. I assume it's like the conventional horse with a horn coming out of its head. But thank you for your super chat support from Spider the Ateo. Thanks so much, appreciate it, seriously. And so, Sigma N, he go to see you, says I was going to blast more super chats, but I just wanted to end Tijum's suffering quickly and hopefully preserve his remaining. Let's see, we love Tom, we do. And Sarah Jenkins says, cat is trying to shut this lunatic up. Like cat, the person, or like the cat? I'm confused. But, oh, you mean like when the cat went on screen with Alex when he was talking in his opening. But a literate bear thinks says, good job, James. Your work must be hectic. Trying to keep sane in the middle of these. Thanks for your kind words, appreciate that. Squatch Talk says, hey James, was late, going to rewatch it. Thanks Pat for being with us, man. I loved your participation in the last debate, Pat. You were really even keeled. Kind of the voice of reason, like very, just you did a great job. And so, thanks so much. It was honestly, it was a pleasure to have you there. Very calming, which is what I think I had mentioned, I was hoping for beforehand and you did it, to the best that any human could do it. Like seriously, superb. And so, thanks for your kind words, triangulator says, you're always so nice and upbeat. I'm not always nice, not to the haters, you guys. And we've got a lot of them. So many haters, but you know what? For me, I'm encouraged, you guys, because the one thing that would be discouraging, the one thing that would actually make me feel worse is I've been having haters who, sometimes they get emails in terms of, sometimes they pop up in all sorts of places. Is if we were ignored, that'd be worse. I would rather, and I'm not trying to collect haters, but I gotta say, if I had to choose between that and just being ignored where nobody even knew we existed as modern day debate, I'll take the haters. So it makes me excited that people are passionate and they care about modern day debate. And so, even to the haters, we love you so much. You have no idea how much we appreciate you. And so, Rufuscat, thanks for being with us. And then Pat says, so YouTube has never tried to copyright strike you for the song? Nope, they haven't. Nope. So feel free to use it if you want. I would recommend paying for the rights for it. It was only like, it was like a cheap website. It was like 10 bucks. Well, that song I think was 10 bucks. Some songs are more popular and they're like 50 bucks and some were like, you know, if they're less popular, they might be like five bucks. Squatch Chalk, let's see. David UP, thanks for being with us. Samuel, a little home, good to see you. And Mashi Mashami M, thanks for being with us. And wow, oh, that's interesting. Jay Fergie says, this was my first live debate for this channel. I had a good time. I'm so glad. Well, thanks for being here for the first time live. We get to interact with you. One eight eight, what is it? One eight eight eight, I'm telling. Thanks for your super chat. Appreciate that support, friend. And then Robert Page says, thank you. Thank you, Robert, for just being here with us. Thanks for your support. Ry, or our age, thanks for being with us as well. I'm a little bit behind on chat. Thanks for your patience, guys. Let's see, we're gonna try to catch up. If I missed any, forgive me. Thanks for your kind words, A-T-B-A-F-E. So thank you, James. This place is fun. That means a lot. Thanks, Matthew. Steel for your kind words as those glasses are sharp. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate that, Matthew. Denkono says, James, if possible, could you feature T-I-K, who is a WW2 history buff with 380,000 subs to debate on socialism or F-ism. Him against Vosch would be mind blowing. Let me write his name down. I'll see if I can get him. That would be fun. Let's see. Appreciate the idea. The biggest thing is if you guys have seen a person has done debates in the past, I can tell you by far the best predictor that they're gonna be willing to come on to modern day debate and debate is if they've done debates already, somewhere else, for real. So that's like for me a big, I have to be honest, if there's like somebody out there where it's like, oh, I've never even seen them in a debate before, I'm probably not gonna ask. I hate to be so closed. It's just that most of them will say no and the reason they don't have debates out there is usually because they've already been asked but they said no. But P. Barron says, please use the term slobberknocker more. Yeah, I love the term slobberknocker. That's my favorite. And we have a lot of slobberknockers coming up. John Pelosi, thank you, my friend. You're very welcome. And then Ando Xtises, who's back next Friday? Who's the special guest? Monday, it might be Monday that we might have a very special guest who it might be the case that they may trigger some people. It's gonna be juicy but we're not going for triggering. Sometimes it happens, but what do you, you know? But 1-888 says, I'm telling, or 1-888 uptelling says, what's up, James Stoked, you're here, my friend. And then, yeah, I'm so sorry I'm behind on chat but I think I've caught up. But yeah, let's see. I'm excited, you guys, excited about the future. Thanks for your kind words. FishfrogDolphin says, I love this channel. Thanks so much for your support. Seriously, that means a lot. That's encouraging for me. And so, oh, this is like, honestly, what was it? How do you pronounce this? Is it zero or an O? It's gotta be an O. Let me see here. Zero. There we go. I don't know how you pronounce it. Is it ooh? But I just said in the chat, we're stoked you're here. Thanks to your super chat. TopHot2 says, Hey Schler on Twitch asks what your favorite debate of the year is so far. Green pepper meant, do you think unicorn the animal is real? Oh, thanks for clarifying that. And thanks for having my back because I'm behind on the Twitch chat. Thanks for your patience Twitch chat, friends. To answer that question, favorite debate of the year so far? Oh, that's a good one. That's interesting. Man, I gotta be honest. Last Friday, I know it was crazy, but it was fun. I really did enjoy co-hosting that, more of like the co-pilot to Dylan last Friday, but that was a lot of fun. We had a lot of people on modern day debate, loosely speaking, because it was co-hosted. It was also streamed at Dylan's channel. But having Shoe and Hunter Avalon, those were people that were always excited to possibly maybe get to host. And so that was like a really pleasant experience. And I love Dylan. Dylan Burns, very authentic person. And so anyway, he makes it fun. And so that was quite the adventure last Friday. I was like, wow, this is really something. Green pepper, oh, that's right. No, I don't think there are any unicorns, or AKA any horses with horns that exist. I feel like there's one thing I've learned in philosophy because I used to study philosophy is that, rarely ever say never that there are none or zero or something. So I'm kind of, I'm like, is it maybe there? I feel like somebody's gonna find one there. It's gonna be like, aha, it had a mutation. And look at this horn. But anyway, Don Fulman, thanks for your super chat. Says, best opening ever, Alex, forever grateful. That was certainly interesting. Nobody can deny that. Michael Scruggs, thanks for being with us. General Balls, good to see you again. And then Susus Amongus, thanks for being with us. Glad you're here. Thanks for your kind words, Jamie. Russell, you're funny. And then Kron Starrow, we're glad you're with us. Control Alt Delete, we are so glad you were here. Thanks for coming by. Marker113, thanks for your kind words. And let's see, human girl, good to see you. Yeah, Rufus Cat. Two, who's name? That's quite the name. And Nero, good to see you again. And let's see. But yeah, Spicey Rose, glad you were hanging out here. Thanks for being with us. And Manic Panda's good to see you again. And then I'm scrolling, I'm catching up. Spooky Bedhair, good to see you. Denkono, thanks for being with us. Says, it is Wednesday, my dudes. That's right, it is. Here it is. And I'm in mountain time. So maybe, but Wretched478 says, hello. Hey Wretched, we're glad you're here. Thanks for coming by. We're pumped. John Pelosi says, thank you for providing this terrific forum. It's a valuable service that is hopefully beneficial to others as it has been for me. Thanks John, seriously, that means a lot. I'm super encouraged you say that. And yeah, it means more than you know. And so perfect one, good to see you again. And says the song has been living rent-free in his head. And but yeah, let's see. Bronik, thanks for coming by. I said I just started watching this debate. And already, I said, more about Alex. And then, but yeah, let's see here. I'm almost caught up. Thanks so much for your super chat. Coming in from topot2 says also guest links on Twitch can be added as a guest panel under the video. And you can add Nightbot to Twitch for guest links. Oh, OK. A panel, that's doable. That's something that I don't think that'd be too hard. Oh, I think I'll do that. I think that's a good idea. I've got to remember to do that, but I like it. I'll have to make it into a new habit. So as long as there's no reason why I couldn't do it right after we put the links of our guests in the YouTube description box. So I should make it, I should just tack it onto that little habit. And then we'll be able to share it that way too. Alex Shannon, thanks for your super chat. Seriously means a lot. Thank you guys. You guys are honestly super supportive. So thank you guys. It means more than you know. Alex Shannon said, just sending support your way. Thanks for hosting this platform. That's super encouraging. Thank you. I'm excited about the future, you guys. And I know I say that so much that it probably sounds cliche. But like I really am. I honestly, I got to tell you, I really do believe we've got big things in store for the future in terms of YouTube deserves a high class, you could say, neutral platform where YouTubers can debate and where other people can debate from off YouTube. And that is our goal, as we want to be a neutral channel where we can say, because sometimes we basically, we want to treat the debaters well. I used to debate on different channels. And I think some channels do a phenomenal job. They treat the debaters really well. But some channels, I had to pull in teeth to get them to put my link in the description. And I was like, can you do me a favor? Could you put my link in the description? I had to push and shove for that. And they also, back then too, a lot of them would be like, well, if you really want, you can post a debate on your channel. But maybe after three days of it being up on YouTube first. And don't get me wrong. I'm like, it's the way some people want to do things. But for us, we're always like, one, we will always put your link in the description, obviously. And then two, we always hold the debaters. If they come on and debate, we say, hey, if you want to put the debate up on your own channel the day after, the hour after the debate, that's fair game. Like feel free. Like you're in the hot seat. And so we really, we want to treat the debaters well. We appreciate the debaters. They're the lifeblood of this channel. They're what makes this channel fun. And so Don Fulman, thanks for your super chat. So James, for all your hard work on modern day debate, you are awesome. Thanks, Don. Seriously, that's super, means a lot, man. I really appreciate it. And yeah, I am excited though. You guys is that we've got cool things we're going to try. We're pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone to grow. This summer, and even this spring break, I'm kind of looking at what are some new things we can do to help us grow in terms of the debates that we offer, new formats, new guests, new topics, new people that are debaters here on YouTube that we've never hosted. You guys, it's unreal. It's unreal how many people, how many debaters, people who love to debate on YouTube are out there and that we haven't even connected with yet. It's gigantic, you guys, for real. And that's also not to mention all the people who love to debate on Discord that are good quality debaters that we haven't had on yet. You guys, modern day debate, I'm telling you guys, I'm determined and I am excited about this channel. I love what we do. I love, for me, the thing that makes it, there are several things that make it meaningful. One, I loved it right off the bat, because I love that it got to meet new people, whether it be the debaters or people from chat. And then people like, we get to talk, we do like a monthly Patreon thing where we over zoom, it's almost like a nights of the round table type of thing where I get like, kind of like feedback from, and so it's like, the people that I've developed relationships from, like I said, whether it be, even if it is just regularly seeing them in the chat, I love it. And I'm just like, it means so much to me, but the other thing in addition, is I love our vision, our goal, where we want a channel that is fully neutral. It gives everyone their fair shot to make their case on a level playing field. That's something that it's like, hey, we all value that. Christian, atheist, conservative, liberal, you name it folks, like everything, black, white, gay, straight, you know, no matter who you are, all the different demographics, I can't name all, but everybody, I think everybody, the vast majority of their people from their, you know, group or tribe, whatever you wanna say, they do value fair debates. And they're like, hey, yeah, we at least wanted everybody gets a fair shot. And that's something that for me, it's just, it's a uniting idea. And for me, it's an exciting idea. And so I'm just, I'm pumped about the future. So thank you guys, anyway. Samuel Lulahom, let's see, thanks for being here. And I'm behind on chat again, sorry guys. Lamed, good to see you. He says, I miss this debate, darn. Good to see you again, Lamed. And R.H. and, let's see, Veronica and Brooke Chavez says, we love what you do. Thank you for the amazing content. Thanks so much. Amazing. Sign any things, thanks for, it says, as always, thanks James. Guess, chat, fam, mods, agreed. Thanks so much. And then Mushami, M, good to see you. And let's see here. Adam L. Billia. Thanks for being with us, seriously. Says James, raise the awareness about today being Yam Hashua, which is the hollow and then cost Memorial Day. I didn't know it was that Memorial Day, but I trust you, Adam, that you're telling, that what you were saying is correct. And so I do wanna mention that. I'm gonna pin that in the top of the chat. And so yeah, we do want to say, I have to be completely honest. I don't know what the right thing to say is in this case, given that it's a Memorial Day for such an event, in history, a tragic event. Other than that, I am united with you, Adam. And so know that I do, I am in agreement with you, despite not knowing exactly what to say. Not having the exact words, but nonetheless, in agreement with raising awareness about this day. And so thanks, Adam, for being with us, as always. And Brian Williamson, thanks for being with us, says, when do we get modern day to date boxing matches? That's funny. Maybe this summer with Tom and Alex is the first one. That'd be funny. Perfect one says, if we did not love you so much, James, we would at least hate on you a little. Thanks for your kind words. I do like teasing. Don't get me wrong. Like I always, I actually do enjoy teasing and it's kind of like my love language as well. And so let's see. LeMès says, do a Muhammaded job or Ali Dawah versus apostate prophet. Man, I've asked Muhammaded job, but I couldn't get him to do it. He wants to do an in-person one with Matt DeLahunty, of which I'm like, you want me to fly us over to London? Or I think he's in, I know he's in England. And I'm like, well, maybe. I mean, I don't know when Matt is gonna be ready to travel again. Anyway, I wouldn't say he's making it difficult, but he's making it a little more difficult. Just be, it's only because of COVID, it's hard to travel. And so that's the thing too. Maybe I'm open to it. But yeah, maybe against apostate prophet, he'd be open to doing it on Zoom. Stripperli versus, are these earlier start times now the standard? Yeah, I think so. I like this start time. I think this is better. I prefer it. That's for sure. And so let's see. Sebastian says, could another Arun Rahti jump versus Cliff Stewart debate be arranged someday? I watched her debate like three times. Maybe, last time I checked, it might not be soon. But I honestly, I'd be happy to debate it or host it. Brian Williamson says, you didn't read my super chat? Oh man, did I seriously miss it? Sorry about that, Brian. Let me read this. Will, you know, son. Says, T-Jump is a deep fake. Prove me wrong. I read that one, man. Oh wait. Oh yeah, I read both of yours. I read the other one early. She said, who would win an boxing match? Alex or T-Jump? So I did read those two at least. If there's another one, I missed, I'm sorry. Mr. C, glad you are back. Good to see you. And, where is it? Oh, there we go. Okay, I think I'm back on track. But yeah, thank you guys for hanging out with me. You have no idea how much I enjoy this. Dee Blake, thanks for being with us. Appreciate you. And then, Dilboticus, thank you for being with us. Says, Alex is Tucker Carlson's shame child. Could be. But yeah, let's see. LeMed says, are you done with your studies? How long until we can call you doctor? Probably be another year and a half or two years. I love what I do though, so I'm not rushing it. Believe it or not, I'm one of the rare people that loves grad school. Like, I do enjoy it. I sometimes get a little burnt out. But overall, I enjoy it. And, you know, we're gonna make it. And so, let's see. Samuel, a little home. That's, thank you for that unicorn explanation. And Alex Shannon, oh yeah, yeah, thank you very much. And David Neff, good to see you again. And then, Y7CH said, sadly, YouTube is not neutral. Is it? How do I pronounce your name? You say, why? WY7CH, thanks for being with us. Mr. Saxakeet says, love you, man. Love you too. Thanks for being with us. Appreciate it. And Sasquatch, or Squatch Talk says, hey team, big foot debate please. Hey, if you've got a partner that would wanna do it, I'd be open to it, let me know. And also, Zane Thunder says, get some experts to bring in their audience. I agree, or big debaters from Twitch. That's right, there's probably a ton of debaters on Twitch that we haven't even hosted yet, or even maybe made contact with. You guys, I'm telling you, we're excited about the future. There's a lot of potential. We still have just a ton of epic stuff to do. Philosopher Tiger says, going to show my philosophy professor this channel. I don't know if they're gonna be impressed. What I mean by that is, it's true sometimes we host rigorous philosophers, or economists, like David D. Friedman. I can't believe we've hosted David D. Friedman. Like, no matter what side you're on, he's like a world-class economist. And there are others as well. And we've hosted some tough PhD philosopher types. And I'm not saying that a person has to have a formal education be a great philosopher. There's a range, there's a huge range of ability, you could say skills or knowledge in terms of all the different debaters. So I appreciate your support. And thank you for sharing modern day debate though. And let's see, Dan Kona says, Jane is correct. Increased communication leads to less ignorance. I do think it is a good thing. Yeah, I do enjoy it. And say, Adam Obelius says, we just say never again. Thank you, Adam. And then Samuel says, a debate on dinosaur soft tissue and the implications would be awesome. That's an interesting idea. That'd be fun. I'm open to it. Caleb says, needs T-Jump versus William and Craig. That'd be fun. I don't know if we can get it, but. Tussbeatbox says, so Dylan Burns used to box. And you were pretty buff yourself. How about a friendly modern day debate versus hippie-to-beat boxing match? That's funny. You know, I love Dylan. And I really, to be completely honest, I'd be at such a huge disadvantage because I don't have a lot of boxing. I don't have any boxing experience. I have like a very smidge bit of experience of Muay Thai, but that was at a mixed martial arts gym where it was like, yeah, I don't think it was more than a couple of months that I did it. I have more experience in like judo I've got about, you could say maybe like two, yeah, maybe about two years. Wrestling, I've got a lot of experience, like six years. And then BJJ, maybe probably only like six months to a year. I think it's in that range because I did some here at my current university and then some back at, what was that, Texas Tech? Yeah, Texas Tech. But no boxing experience. So I'd be at a huge disadvantage. John Smith says, I heard in a video, ask yourself if Dr. Arvi are having a debate on here soon. Any idea when? That might happen. We're working out the debates, potentially a veganism debate. So that would be epic. And so yeah, we're excited to host Arvi. That'd be fun. Aaron Rupley, glad you're here with us. And then Mr. Saksit says, my bad, can't super chat at the moment. We really enjoy your work. Keep it up. Thank you for your support. I seriously do appreciate it. Thanks for kind words. Jay Fergie says, what's your PhD in? I'm new. So my PhD that I'm working on, because I'm not yet a doctor. And oh, which, it's pronounced which. Okay, thanks for letting me know that. Nicholas, glad you're here. Nicholas Fillar. And then you're questioned about the PhD. Sorry, a little distractible. There it is, Jay Fergie. My PhD that I'm working on right now is in industrial organizational psychology. So basically like organization psychology. So for example, like what motivates workers? How do you help prevent workers from experiencing burnout? How do you help organizations do proper, you could say best practices with selection? In other words, like picking the right employee to perform best at that particular job they're hiring for, especially if they're hiring like let's say a CEO or any sort of kind of executive position you wanna be sure that, I mean, that's a huge investment. So yeah, basically it's like psychology in the workplace. You could put it that way. And there's a little bit of overlap with like law. So like I do, they give us training and like legal, like we get a little bit of legal training in the sense that we, you know, study different ways in which the law applies to psychology in the workplace. And as an example, like, well, like I'm familiar with like what demographics, what groups, what people are considered protected classes versus like those who aren't. So like in a lot of like right to work states, you obviously you can't discriminate based off of like, like race or sex or something that would be illegal due to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. However, like in some states, you can say like this person, you know, I don't like their mustache, I'm not gonna hire like, and so it's interesting. In that case, you might have to worry about like a person might come after you, but the state's not gonna, you're not actually, if you're discriminating based on a non-protected class, like the state's not gonna come after you. You might have to worry about them legally coming after you themselves. But anyway, Liberty Library says, James, when are you having me on? I don't know, email me at moderatedbeta.gmail.com and wanna let you know, yeah, is that we're pretty open to hosting all sorts of different people. And so, yeah, but anyway, long story short, I love you guys, I gotta go, like I said, I love hanging out here, but I'm also, it's like, it's the week before spring break, so I've got a ton that I'm working on, but thank you guys for all of your support seriously. Do appreciate it, love you guys. Let me know if I can make your day better. We hope this channel is fun to hang out at. We hope it's valuable to you, it's just enjoyable and so thanks everybody and yeah, appreciate you guys, love you guys. And with that, keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable. We are excited to be back this Friday for an epic debate, for real. You guys, it's gonna be awesome and so thanks everybody, keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable, love you guys.