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I've suffered with mental health myself since you know being in the limelight and that not through like you know any traumatic childhood experiences and like Douglas as I said I had a great childhood but like you know since being in the public high and you know social media and xy and z my mental health's fucking suffers and still does at times do you know what I mean but they're all crooks politicians they are they are all out for themselves and you know I had a couple of fucking Evatorians like locked the road once do you know when I was trying to drive home from a match. It took us fucking 30 years just to get the truth about what happened just to get the real verdict do you know what I mean how could anyone in this city stand for that fucking government you know what I mean you know what the fuck the tour reason that funny enough it start it was a fan thing you know I didn't come out one day and start going do do do the fuck the tour the crowd started doing it and I thought you know what I agree with you so let's have let's do it you know that sing it which is our dance which is doing me being in this hotel room and I was literally lowered low probably the lowest I've ever been and I think my parents worried about me me fiance would definitely worried about me do you know what I mean and I just like me management worried about me everyone was a bit like you knew no I was only just saying people who could tell but like I made the call and it was I just remember like fucking out I think most of the phone call was just me bawling boomerang today's guest we've got Jamie Webster. James. Jamie boy. Absolute pleasure to be on brother. Yeah absolute pleasure to have you on flying high in life like electrician to then traveling the world now mate doing what you love best man it's phenomenal to see me. It's crazy lads it's crazy. Like give a shout out to my boys at the only foods bar love a pool market or something like phenomenal bar you've got a lot of souls on it's real give these boys a shout out like. Scapeism. Yeah. Just nice to you know obviously Liverpool is a very small place you know what I mean like you know everyone through one way or another but the lads in here are fucking great aunty you know what I mean and the lads at Lost Souls as well always making me look smart not looking like the little Tramper I really am. Yeah no it's nice to be here man in such a nice little place as well. And you're flying high man it's good to see like a local boy just trying just trying to be something in life and that's what it's all about like your first song was um I like came across was Weekend. Weekend in Paradise. Yeah that was what free for 2019. A long time ago man like and I was like I could resonate with it but I always go back to the start of my guess brother. Yeah. I'm understanding about you where you grew up and how it all began. Yeah it's all like I'm first of all most I'm not going to bullshit here and sit here and say I grew up with nothing. Do you know what I mean me that I fucked off and my mum just the man and dad are still together do you know what I mean he went fucking very hard at what they do so then me me brother and me sister had the opportunities that they didn't have do you know what I mean and you know I never am not going to sit here and say I went without or anything like that because that would be unkind to me mum and dad and also unkind to the people who actually have gone without and there's plenty of them around here and up and down this aisle and around the world do you know what I mean but now I lived quite a happy childhood do you know what I mean loved footy loved music was able to play in footy teams was able to get guitar less actually didn't want to learn guitar me mum wanted me to learn guitar and I wanted to be in the street playing footy with the lads and she said you'll thank me one day lads do you know when I was going to the guitar practice and shit and obviously that day has come and it's full circle but now pretty standard childhood really do you know what I mean when we made playing footy you know hanging out with girls at the age of 13 14 drinking on the streets doing stuff I shouldn't have mean they were at a young age and you know but mixing with people that you know wearing always from my background as well it was a big thing for me do you know what I mean you know knocking out with mates who where I say I didn't go without me mate did you know what I mean and it was always I always felt aware of it you know what I mean and it was always every time I you know once I started once me mate told me I was half decent at singing and playing guitar which was probably all the confidence I needed really because obviously you know being from Glasgow being from Liverpool it's probably a pretty similar you know what I mean and puns in the sense that you know if you're fucking shite you might tell you what you're fucking shite you know what I mean and it'd be like now I'd call out a date do you know what I mean that's not for you but you know thankfully they were like fucking hell lad you're alright do you know what I mean so I started playing covers and blah blah blah and just but thankfully I had my eyes open to what was going on around me and you know I had my eyes open to you know situations that me mates might have been in through no fault of their own and situations that their family might have been in through no fault of their own and I always questioned it you know what I mean I was always like well why and how has it got to that and you know it's probably when I started going to Liverpool match I don't like you know me dad always said to me me mum wanted me to play guitar me mum was definitely the musical influence but the football was me dad he's a mad Liverpool fan you know whenever he could which wasn't always by the way do you know what I mean when I was like three four times a season whenever he could afford to and whether he could get tickets we go the games you know what I mean and it was I was always in through all by it in fact you ate a bite and he said the best years of my life like when I followed Liverpool round with me mates and stuff and you meet fucking great people from different places and you know what I mean you really grow up and you really like appreciate you know you really get an understanding for other world works traveling up and down the country and I did you know what I mean it was like canal you know 16 on the bus with a load of some of the larger doctors some of the lads are selling fucking swag do you know what I mean to sell them all sorts of shit you know what I mean some of the lads are doing really well for themselves now they some of them lads are in prison now do you know what I mean but I was just as you can tell already from the start of this podcast I'm a chatty fucker do you know what I mean so I made meets dead quick with loads of different people and that was where I sort of gave me grasp for the mindset I have now and my politics that I have now it was learning from people older than me and looking at people younger than me and looking at people around me and seeing how I live so different and finding out why and yeah it was I always go back to just because I don't have that I'm alright to have attitude do you know what I mean just because things were alright for me as a young lad doesn't mean that like I shouldn't be you know using me platform that I've got now to change things for people who aren't alright you know what I mean just because I'm alright doesn't mean that I can't see wrong in society or wrong in the way things have run or wrong in the way people have to live the fucking life soon but I think that's the best thing is to stay true to you no matter how big you get sometimes people can forget themselves sometimes I have to question it don't ever forget your answer you've came from to what you're doing now but you still got to give yourself a pat on the shoulder and say you know what I'm doing okay but choosing that platform to then not changing your beliefs because you can get to a certain level where you can be manipulated and guided for maybe that extra bit of money or try and get extra like at the forefront what team you support and what religious parties you support whatever that is that can then damage fans and that again it's fucking to stand to what you know and you've brought your following through being who you are that Glasgow Liverpool similarities always say this I love risk houses I've got so many friends down here like they're they're solid they didn't fuck you over man they're 100% that if they like you they like you they think they're gonna tell you straight but it's there's so much wasted talent you can go down a road and then get caught up in the bad shit like why have you managed to stay on a path where you are doing covers for years singing other people's songs to then stay on a path and then seeing a vision did you see a vision at a young age yeah well it was just like you know there's plenty of people who I suppose were told no not told you know like do you do it in a click of meat and you thought I can't fucking be doing that you know what I mean the lads will laugh at me without even trying it or whatever and I've seen people get laughed at you know what I mean for wanting to do things and it's what nothing kids about but for me with I always just I loved it you know what I mean I felt myself you know like I couldn't knock down with the lads all my life and you know what I mean I could pretend to be a scallie lads I could do whatever you know what I mean I could mix it with you know I could fit him with the rest of them you know I mean I could talk to anyone but I always felt myself and the most happiest when I had the guitar in my hands playing on stages you know whether it was in a bar like this you know there's lads who were playing here doing covers this is where I sort of made my name but like I always had I always felt like I have something to say you know what I mean and I still do you know what I mean I've always you know someone sparks a conversation with me I'll fucking hold the conversation with them and I'll talk about it and I like to get an insight through other people think but for me with the music I was always just writing songs of like I don't know something had happened and I'd you know I'd see like the result of you know politics politics like you know you'd see for example I had pals who'd been bad lads in the past do you know what I mean and he'd been to jail and whatever and no matter how much they tried to stay on the street and you know for because of the past it'd be like I know you're you're like that you know you've got this this past you can't do this you can't you can't work in that even you know like in terms of like you know if you were pulled over in the car you know you know to the police do you know what I mean no I'm not known to the police all right so when you come to stand over there you know you know to the police no I'm not known all right so when you stand over there are you known to the police yeah I'm known for you know whatever fucking Grand Theft Auto when I was fucking 15 and it's like right get off the car fucking against the wall and all of a sudden it's you know and that sort of thing so I'd and I'd see like these people fucking really deflated not trying to act like it you know what I mean but you'd see them really fucking like I'm a marked man now for the rest of my life and these lads are fucking 17 18 years of age they already felt defeated do you know what I mean and it was like that when I was like well I can't change it I can't give this busy I'm out full here and say why am I being treated differently to him or you know what I mean but you know we all make mistakes so it's because they're not going to listen it's not going to get through but if I write a song about do you know what I mean the injustices in in the world or if I write a song and you know if I'm saying people you know fucking people's mental health spiral and because of things that they're saying on social media they'll write a song about social media not being a real fucking thing you know what I mean it's just an entity of someone's imagination really do you know what I mean it's what they want you to see and I don't know every song that I've always written always had a meaning I've never been the type of person to write a song about a fucking champagne lifestyle that I don't live for example do you know what I mean and that was the vision I always had just like them songs that I was writing in my bedroom at 14 15 16 I had dreams and like visions of them songs being screamed back to me by tens of thousands of people by thousands of people by hundreds of people I don't know what it was I've just always had a feeling and this isn't me saying I knew I was gonna make it it was fucking it took a lot of hard work to do it you know what I mean you know I've been I'm 28 years old now and I'm just I'm still not there do you know what I mean I've still got a big big big big ladder to climb but the vision that I had was always of the connection with the people that I stand for and the people that I represented and the people that I knock about with you know what I mean and it was that was always the vision of just them songs about you know catchphrases like A's to the people of common civilisation for example and like I had visions of people you know passionately singing them back to me and they've come to fruition now obviously because I've seen it in festivals I've seen it in gigs I've seen it in the rain has it been great but it's always been I don't know I just I've just always had that personality that's just never ever give up on on anything do you know what I mean and I've always I've always worked at things do you know what I mean and I always remember my half fellow saying to me like you know when you were younger look lad you know because my mum and dad's like politics and probably the same as me my dad's not political in any certain way where do you get yours from me my own my own views and what I've seen and my own manner of made up which is what everyone should because you know like you know not saying no me not saying me mum and dad the Tories because they're certainly not he's never voted Tory in the last you know what I mean but my dad doesn't vote he's never voted you know what I mean and I think my mum vote less and less as the years go by you know what I mean and different from a different generation and my dad's quite rightly always said to me you know look you get out of life what you put in someone's gonna give you anything and he's right you know what I mean and my mum says the exact same thing to be honest you know they're all they're all crooks politicians they are they are all out for themselves and again I don't think they're wrong do you know what I mean like you know the stories you know obviously like my detox or the slogan catch line my gigs is fucked the Tories but you know I'm not sitting here saying that every Labour politician is a fucking sight you know what I mean and they've never done wrong in the past of course they have and they still are do you know what I mean you know I'm not sitting here staring at the answer by any fucking chance but like me mum and dad have always instilled a worth ethic sorry lad into me that said like you know look you can do as well for yourself but you've got to work for it you know what I mean you could be anything you want to be you can go and do whatever you want to do we'll always support you but you know at the end of the day it comes down to you and how much you're willing to graft and how much you believe in yourself and what you're doing to do what you're doing I have done that you know what I mean because I've been kind of when I was an electrician lad I used to I remember Friday nights used to be like everyone had looked forward to Friday night you know what I mean all the lads have been like like were out here do you know what I mean and I'd be like fuck for a gig tonight you know what I mean but it'd be I'd drive home from work get home from work it's six o'clock you still have all my ladders and all my tools in the back of this little shitty Peugeot this little blue Peugeot 2007 and he used to cover the full in dust crisp packets bottles fucking you know tools light bulbs everything was all over and I'd get me ladders I used to have my ladders over me passenger seat you know what I mean because they couldn't fit in the car properly I didn't have a roof used to get me ladders out the car all my drills all my tools throw them in the garage then I'd run upstairs get me PA get me two big speakers like bigger than ones over there suppose get them and get me mixing and get me guitars in get up me bag of cables and then I'd run up running have a quick bite to eat get in the shower get in the car vomit at time and to get all my gear set up before all the punters are getting sound check yeah that sounds alright then you do fucking three hours in the slaughterhouse you know what I mean bashing them out to laugh one in the morning or you mate to be there or pissed all on the shite all having a great fucking Friday night the Friday night that I wanted to have do you know what I mean and then I'd be like right one o'clock bump finished I have all people fucking yeah I play as one more lad fucking this that you know you're entertaining them eventually get your shit to your car get home for what two o'clock in the morning then I'd be upset the morning doing a foreigner do you know what I mean tools back in the car going to me one of my mate's asses or one of my dad's mate's asses to wire that for them you know what I mean then Saturday night again back in do you know what I mean if I've got if I'd have an away game that weekend that'd be me day off where I go out with the lads on the bus but then if it was a home game it was fucking two three gigs on a home game you know what I mean doing the Liverpool songs and shit so I fucking I reckon I went months at a time where I'd work every day sometimes fucking two jobs do you know what I mean and like I knew like you know aye it was money in the pocket because the you know the way to get in is an electrician in the lifestyle that I wanted to live fucking following Liverpool up and down the country in other countries I was having to do more than me sparking to pay for that you know what I mean and thankfully like where I had mates who who were getting on the graft you know what I mean it was like all the lads in our area I'm from the West Abbey Crochery area all the lads in our area do you know what I mean that we'd known through the years like clocking and I had a car clocking and me mate to have a car hey lad do you want to do a bit of graft on a Friday night you know what I mean go and shift a load of this and we'll give you this and I was luckily enough and he'd give you a hundred quid for the night you know what I mean and thankfully I'd be like well no man I'm not cashing on fucking doing a couple of three hours singing I don't need that lads do you know what I mean and it was I was lucky that I didn't have to you know I had mate to were like fuck yeah I need that hundred quid yeah I'll do it lad do you know what I mean and you know we've obviously some of them have been lucky enough to not be in any real trouble from it brothers yeah haven't you know what I mean you can suck your nat life especially at a young age exactly it's paid off you know all those fucking hours and days and weeks and months and years on end to be traveling to try and make something in life but if you're struggling it's easy to cut up the bad stuff and it's not that they're bad people it's just not you think it's normal what was your first ever gig my first ever gig that I played yeah oh that I played it was in the cabin club you're shitting yourself yeah proper shitting oh lad so this is the mic I sang looking at the mic like that just like cosy I had luck and the room was full of me making family there was only about 50 people in there you know what I mean and I knew them all but I think that made it worse do you know what I mean because you were like fuck and like proper we were in a band and we were shiting our first band like we were terrible you know what I mean we were like three of us were like bless my two grew up together and we started playing the guitar here all thing I obviously still play guitar and the lad was on the drum thing on the Xbox and he was like I might get a drum set and he learned and the bass player sort of you're fucking kill me he's saying he's sort of learned put the whole billy sort of learned his bass a little bit enough enough to get it on like you know what I mean and we got like every airsland room in town which we just fucking you know what I mean we were just doing shit we shouldn't have been doing we weren't playing music after time you know what I mean you know what I mean having a bit of pot you know having a bevy you know what I mean having parties in there and that you know what I mean I'm building getting rid of by the busies running up and down in the fucking lifts trying to hide from them stashing all bits in Chris Packett's and shit like that you know what I mean it was it was funny it was a fucking mad time but we weren't fucking practicing our craft do you know what I mean I used to get dead angry because I'd be like right turn off the practice and then I want to turn up late and pissed or whatever and just fucking I was trying to get those gigs and then I know I can't do that gig I'm going out to a party or I can't you know what I mean I was like does anyone fucking want this and you know we were called Steader at the stereo first and we were fucking bad luck and then we went we got we got rid of one guitarist I think he left and then we got a better one in and I stopped playing guitar and I was just singing and these two lads were fucking great players still are still playing now you know what I mean but like I was into like Oasis the beat not not even the Beatles so much back then it was more Oasis the roses do you know what I mean fucking primal screams shit like that you know what I mean and fucking club music as well do you know what I mean yeah yeah a bit of dance going up going out and do you know what I mean going to match on the buses just fucking party buses all the way home especially if you'd have a big win in London or something like that and which was very rare back then I clickers live up here with shite back then as well but you know we were shite and then we started this week we were called the nova lads I think we played like two gigs and on the second gig it was only down the road in the shipping forecast dance days and we were supporting this band from Wales and like they were on tour they've raided them still haven't fucking don't know if they ever went on to do anything at all and they were on tour and basically the deal was we used to be the deal back then you get a pound for every ticket you sell if you sold over 50 tickets and we never used to fucking get anywhere near 25 like you know what I mean so you just you never get any though for any of the gigs or not and it's just practice and you're just kind of fucking you're playing on a stage all mic'd up with all fucking production so it was a learning cave do you know what I mean but fuck me we were terrible in this one gig remember the room was quite similar to this probably where where then board stopped you know before it dipped down to the that's the size of the room like and it's very much like this low ceiling pillars in the middle and we're on a stage here and no like they did the Welsh band who were headline and they sold 12 tickets right and they went on to like half nine and we were on it like seven o'clock half seven and we didn't shift one none of you know none of our mates it was a 30 night no one wanted it was about eight quid a ticket as well and the bass player's mum turned up three quarters of the way through the gig and was the only person in the fucking room and I come off stage and it was sort of a realisation that like fucking hell even me mates aren't coming down to support me now you know what I mean call this a day so we all I think a couple of the lads like the idea of being in a band mode and they did actually you know yeah and just like even you're not going to produce good music when you're 16 because you're still learning what music is but you've got to work at it you know what I mean with bands in the city now we were fucking you know the great music great little musicians and they work hard together and they've put the music they're putting out now might not be great but you know in five years time when they're all when you know who they are what music do you like what sound do you want to do and how to do it I'm telling you by the time it's 21 22 it'll be good music do you know what I mean yeah do you think people can get to that far though especially when they're playing in front of 50 people 25 people was there any teams you ever thought the fucking going well I did well I did I stopped and started playing covers do you know what I mean because I was like fucking I mean no money from this I'm not enjoying it anymore even the music's not even a reflection of what I want to write because everyone else is playing the instruments and I'm just singing and do you know what I mean because I wasn't still not that good on the guitar it's just normal to fucking make it work for me do you know what I mean I'm rough and ready lad but it was a case of like like this this this this thing yeah this band entity it's not going anywhere and you know I've always felt more comfortable with an acoustic guitar in my hands do you know what I mean and like writing songs that people could hear the words in do you know what I mean and like that was me me words that's what I was and like the sound was so loud people couldn't even hear what I was singing and it was just fucking hell you could probably find some videos of us and it's fucking dreadful do you know what I mean but like you mentioned with Jerry cinnamon you know when he was in a band called the cinemas wasn't he and I think it was pretty much the same script you know I've seen some videos of them and I thought wow doesn't he you can't even believe it's the same fella do you know what I mean and uh do you know uh I was a big big fan of Jerry's actually for a long time until until he doesn't like me but why I was playing in a boozer on county road like a real fast boozer in front you know after a match of 200 people and he was playing the hydro that night and the coral was supporting him and my man one of my two managers his brothers were in the coral and he was working for the coral doing a bit of you know stage you know like just sorting the guitars out for them and uh and Jerry come over to him and uh I'm not asked about it now do you know what I mean because I've you know it's one of them he never spoke to me about it and I still think he's fuck what he done was brilliant you know what I mean I'm not you know if he wanted to come and have a chat with me man to man I'll have a chat with a man to man but I mean patiently like I went all around the world to see this come play like I went to fucking Amsterdam I went to Edinburgh I went to Glasgow I went to Manchester I went to fucking London I went to Birmingham seeing him three times in the pool see me live a pool before like you know before the album even properly took off and it was still tick it's left on the date you know the old two academy in that and I was a fucking like he really did it was because I come away from playing in the band when I'm started playing covers started playing covers at the boss nights which turned into Liverpool songs when I'm a fucking mad journey with the club do you know what I mean which was like me handbag years almost because I was controlling rang bunches football crowds who were just fucking steaming do you know what I mean in in Glaswegian terms which Scousers think steaming means horny but fucking in Glasgow steaming means you pissed do you know what I mean but like them sort of crowds you know the type do you know what I mean just fucking literally steaming out of their ears do you know what I mean people falling through windows and I was you know conducting these crowds and it was fucking holding them and telling them to shut up when he needed to shut up and laying loads of boss stuff stuff from me and it was when I went to see Jerry doing this thing with an acoustic guitar and I was like that's fucking brilliant that do you know what I mean like what a great you know great sound and the songs just spoke to me because you know that first album was fucking amazing man it's like it's escapism it's this do you know what I mean and it really spoke to me and it really touched me and I thought fucking hell man this kid is like fucking didn't know he was fucking nearly 40 or whatever do you know what I mean but at the time I was like this lad is fucking he's just he's come out of nowhere he's changed the music game for people like me because fucking he's everywhere look at what he's doing look at this journey he's been I felt real part of it because I was with him from since hope over fear in 2015 when he released that you know about the independence and tell the west ministry Scotland is no longer your slave I thought fucking I haven't had a line like that in my life since Bob Dylan was writing music do you know what I mean like this is fucking incredible so went to see him and all I was buzzing you know obviously and I used to say at the end of all his gigs see if you're a young musician kicking about in the industry don't listen to anyone just do what's in here look at what I'm doing do it like me fucking don't be yourself man go and do this stuff fucking all I need this guitar and you people you can do it you can do it you fucking go and stand there every gig and I'd take a bit more confidence and a bit more belief from each one and I'd be like fucking yes lad it's right Jerry I will you know I'll add a will and I'll see you one day lad fucking is right brother so fucking release this weekend in paradise and I mean me older manager phones we've not the one who was kicked off phones we've come out the same day with dark days and in the iTunes shop pissed dark days out the water do you know what I mean and I don't know whether it was a bit of that or a bit of whatever do you know what I mean and he me manager for me said I'll be raised from Jerry and I was buzzing I went now what thinking because he was giving loads of young back support slots and you know the Latums who were on my management and stuff they got a support slot off him so I was like as he gave me a support slot he went no no he's at the fucking roof I went why what did you mean he's at the roof and he went so how you need to speak to Alfie like he's fucking he's proper fucking give Alfie an earful so like you know Alfie so he goes up to Alfie he's the guy who's managing Jamie Webster and he goes yeah yeah you know you're a fucking shameless cunt you know that because Alfie a shameless cunt says that we can't send a rip him off so I mean I'm just fucking taking influence from someone who inspired me do you know what I mean I was giving him a nod do you know what I mean because if you listen to the rest of me music it's not like we head to paradise and that album was already written do you know what I mean it was just like this was my big single it was gonna fucking take off and it did you know what I mean it's still a big single and it's just like fucking hell man I've got just fucking plenty musicians now in the city in Liverpool do you know writing songs about politics and blah blah blah because we're do you think if I sat there and say me nose up at the mall do you know what I mean like that's not who I am that's not the message I'm putting across the message I'm putting across is we all fucking look after each other do you know what I mean you look after yourselves and each other because the fucking powers that be I'm gonna look after you do you know what I mean and even in the industry no one the big wigs in the industry are gonna look after you so you're gonna put all those sticks together man and fucking you know speak from the same insheets and shit like that and lad he just he just proper you know it was a proper kick in the balls lads and you know I've I haven't this is the first podcast I've properly come out and said exactly what happened on it you know what I mean just with you mentioning that you're a mate from because it might actually get back to him one day do you know what I mean like look I'm still not calling him a cunt you know what I mean I mean I think he acted pretty cunty like you know what I mean on the day and do you know whatever but he still hasn't spoke to me in my face or he hasn't made you know he hasn't made no approach because like if he just said to me what's all this about man I would have said I hadn't said look lad I got that from you you told me that do you know what I mean here they have been here and I think if he maybe realized just how much I was into him he would have fucking he would have he would maybe wouldn't have reacted the way he did but what was funny and what was great rich as well is I used to cover all of the show like I don't play the slaughterhouse right and no one in this fucking city knew who he was right and I go and play campfire vampire in the slaughterhouse right and we made to send the fucking video to him back when he was fucking that 2000 followers or whatever and say here's this kid in Liverpool singing your songs here lad and he replied to one of them saying what a fucking set of pipes he's got this was well before do you know what I mean like it's all right when you're covering them do you know what I mean and then there was a video of me playing belter at boss night it's probably still on boss night to youtube now do you know what I mean fucking everyone used to say to me after I played them know them two songs that you played there that one about belter and who's that guy and I'd sit there and go look listen to gerry cinnamon I used to say it everywhere go and listen to him I used to say to me mate have you seen gerry cinnamon yet no no we'll fucking put that down what you're listening to and fucking listen to this because it's it's gonna change you do you know what I mean it's fucking it's coming in a big way you should preach it since 2015 you should tell everyone to get on him and I genuinely believed that like a big not obviously he's got his own success all over the country so I'm not saying I'm part of it but I genuinely think that in the early days a lot of my amplification of his music was getting people to listen to him because I could probably name a hundred people just me who've come up and said fucking hella listen to that lad he's great isn't he you know over the years there was the most inspiring story in music I'd looked at you know in a long long time it really really gave me a fucking fire to go and do this what I'm doing now so do a home a lot of thanks do you know what I mean but like I would like to see him and say what the fuck is your head that lad do you know what I mean because like you know I know mates of his now from Glasgow people who fucking grew up in the same area as him do you know what I mean mates of mine who told me oh yeah he used to fucking cue jump and fucking get get get let us into the gigs and all this that the other and I know used to be a fucking sound cunt and fucking I don't seem as much anymore blah blah blah so if I'm mixing with them people and them people in my mind you know what I mean we're not too far away from each other that's you know what I mean and I was just property sound buyer and just yeah you know I'd love to see him one day do you know what I mean that's to be fair and I was a little bit little bit cheeky because there's a documentary getting done on me at the moment and you know we've had all sorts of people speaking on it like fucking great musicians from from around and past and you know even like Pete you've got fucking Pete Doherty on it we've got fucking all sorts on it and I said to the lads who's directed and producing I said ask Jerry if he'll say a few words about it like you know what I mean didn't get a reply but yeah I'd still love to have that chat with Jerry and see what just what it was that fucking pissed him off do you know what I mean because as far as I'm concerned I'm doing my thing telling my story and trying to make my way and he's doing it you know what I mean he's doing his thing and fucking I'll make there's more than enough cake to go around that's the socialism I believe in you know what I mean and that industry but you don't know who's saying what yeah maybe he's got someone behind his head you know someone working his head behind the scenes I don't know it's planting seeds and people making up shit and I get it do you know what I mean but you gotta do is speak to someone in it you know what I mean like if you had like if I had the problem with someone if there was a young musician who had felt to drip me off in any way or if there's a band who I think had fucking tried to take the piss out of me or you know do something that I think was a bit I'm just fucking asking any of them and just pick up my phone say hey lad what's happening what's all that about me do you know what I mean and we'll talk about it like fucking adults do you know what I mean and go fucking screaming people's managers and blocking them on twitter and standing on a stage in a fucking hydro for the 13,000 you know empty room 13,000 people are about to come in and sing to you and he shouted his fucking up stroke do you know what I mean on the stage like you know I mean jumped off stage off in a puffin and it's just fucking childish behavior to me that you know what I mean and like like I say he might tell me something that I've done that I don't know about do you know what I mean and if it did you know and it was fucking snide I've been the first to say yeah man I agree with you there that was snide but I fucking tell you I haven't because all I've done up to that point is go and watch him fucking play gigs and you only have buy fucking albums and shit like that and support him and preach to the choir about how fucking good he was do you know what I mean so it was a bit of a disheartening thing but you know what it sort of shaped me for the industry to again like I had people telling me back then do you know what I mean when I was a nobody you know and he was fucking riding the fucking the wave very highly you know fucking we'll use this you know PR people saying to me come out and let's talk about it you know what I mean I used to say nah because it's you know I don't want it to be about me and him I'm doing my things you know what I mean I don't want it to be I don't want to use his platform to gain momentum do you know what I mean I don't and like why is not going to lose facing Glasgow do you know what I mean like fucking Glasgow's my second city do you know he's always has been the last thing I wanted to use fucking piss off people who you know he's like the fucker's son of Glasgow you know I mean the favorite son of Glasgow at the moment and again I'm still a big fucking fan I still think his music's great I still think his gigs are fucking insane do you know what I mean I would just love to know where he come to the conclusion that he did about me do you know what I mean because if he'd have spoke to a couple of people and done a bit of digging he probably would have found out that I'm a nice you know flat do you know what I mean and I don't know I'm a real genuine person do you know what I mean and I don't know it's a bit mad it's still a bit mad I don't understand I still don't understand it and like you know I haven't actually come across him but hopefully one day man just can resolve it though and literally ask him if he wanted a cup of tea and it's you at the bar wouldn't fucking stand there and he's smashing it man he don't get so good at hand the face but the face and probably make a joke in the past and say I'll fucking fight him but I'm not a fucking fighter lads you know I'm as bad as I had as a wet fat lads do you know what I mean like genuinely sit I might take the piss and act like a bit of a knockdown again but just a bit of a laugh do you know what I mean I'd sit there with them and say lads man sit down what's your problem bro talk to me lads there's a little cuddle do you know what I mean that's all I'd resolve it do you know what I mean but somehow I don't think you'd say it the same way but maybe one day Jerry do you know what I mean we can we can talk but yeah it was a mad one but you know coming from through that it was like I knew and obviously people saying oh you like Jerry cinnamon you're like oh I thought you and Jerry do a gig together it'd be great and I just you start to say to them ask him do you know what I mean I still think the main in doing on the same bill it'd be a fucking electric gig do you know what I mean and you know he's obviously but the things he's done through having no label no fucking no pluggers no not and do you know it's fucking incredible he's a freak he's a freak in nature doing that and I mean that in the most respectful way possible do you know what I mean he's an absolute anomaly to the rule do you know what I mean like I'm not on a major label don't get me wrong and I couldn't be on a major label because them people don't work how I you know I don't want anyone telling me how to how to make music or you know how to be me do you know what I mean which majors would do I'm on an independent label that's based in the city where the team are based around me do you know what I mean I've worked with this team throughout my career now and we understand each other and they they're just amplify what I speak for do you know what I mean I've got a great understanding and you know I don't have fucking millions of pounds to throw our albums or album campaigns or even hundreds of thousands of pounds do you know what I mean do you think that's a hundreds as well when you speak out look fuck the tories and that do you think that can not fast-track your career as fast as people who would yeah definitely but you know like and probably as already and and certainly the football stuff at the start definitely did you know what I mean because if your music's that good then people are going to buy it and map and you know ever on whatever if you're resonating with people then genuine people would you know what I like that it's you can understand this well but if someday there was decent man you support and I had good music you probably think I'm not buying that country yeah at first I've said that myself you know I mean like you know if I hadn't had the singer like me who was singing all fucking songs about the pool and you know fucking taking the piss out of us and you know every time fucking Everton born the trophy if that was the case you know what I mean I seen this lad with a fucking guitar in front of thousands of probably ate his goods as well do you know what I mean but then the minute he starts he moves away from that and he starts doing writing songs that were fucking resonating with me in my life look all I used to do when I'd write music is look at me own life look at the mistakes I'd made and then look at me meeting the people around me look at what they were doing and look at the fucking do you know what I mean what mine said they were in and what world they were in and sort of trying to tie it all together so it makes sense to anyone do you know what I mean and that's still what I do do you know what I mean I still look at real things that really happen and try and tell it in a you know in a way that you know that tells a story that people can you know escape do you know what I mean and also like fucking you know be inspired from it and stuff like that you know what I mean and just connect and resonate with it and that's how I've always done it but you know with the fuck the tour he's in there funny enough it's that it was a fan thing you know I didn't come out one day and start going do do do the fuck the tour the crowd started doing it and I thought you know what I agree with you so let's let's do it you know that sing it which is out dance which is do you know what I mean it's a fucking when my gigs watch what's different about other gigs and what's quite similar to Jerry's gigs is that the very tribal do you know what I mean it feels like you're a part of a fucking tribe you feel like you're part of something when you're there it goes beyond the music it goes beyond the sense that it goes to like a sense of togetherness and I'm not fucking alone here in this mad fucking world do you know what I mean and do you know what I mean these are the moments that we fucking live for sort of thing and I just I make sure I display just as much passion as anyone in the crowd my I always say to any young musician going on to a stage you need to make sure that that crowd know that you want to be there just as fucking much as they do do you know what I mean and that's what I always and that's the gigs are elixir because up in Scotland the same as the tour he's in that as well especially well in Glasgow that Maggie facture Nate he's like the she fucking ripped ass out of Scotland and destroyed it people don't forget that especially my parents grandparents and stuff it's not that religion like politics I can really give a fuck for it if I'm honest it doesn't change my career who's and who's in charge but there's just certain people who destroy lives and for you and resume because the scousers for anybody watching why is it they hate the tories so much well look anyone watching obviously you've I mean you've got to look back when it was looked to be running you know the actual stories actually tried to run Liverpool into a state of manage the client that's on documents do you know what I mean that was like official do you know what I mean the people who ran this country wanted to run this city into a state of manage the client basically mean we were just forgetting about his unemployment was at an all-time high you know what I mean more so than anywhere else it was fucking you know those are smack problem and people the government were happy to just leave people to to explore with these fucking this new drug that was being I was it being brought in do you know what I mean like you know there's fingers in all sorts of pies and then obviously you move to the Hillsborough scenario do you know what I mean which just attaches government to and a cover-up you know the matter of well not intentional matter but you know of 96 now 97 innocent people who just gone through a football game and you know the fact that the people died and people were injured and people people's lives were ruined from that I know someone you know God rest him who actually took his own life 30 years on from Hillsborough and he was still traumatized for me he went that day as an 18 year old there's two best mates he's the only one who came home do you know what I mean and like I hate talking about Hillsborough I hate playing on the art of Hillsborough because you know it's it's I wasn't born and I wasn't there and I know just how much it's affected you know people who were there and who lived through it you know what I mean but not only did it happen when it should never happen but then you know the government who are supposed to fucking they're supposed to look after you and they're supposed to be the ones that we look to for guidance and safety and you know reassurance and comfort you know what I mean they team up with the media the tabloids and the police again police are supposed to protect and serve that's supposed to be you know the nature of the police service and the police officers role it's to protect and save it's not to antagonize it's not to fucking it's not to what's the word intimidate do you know what I mean it's not and people were intimidated into changing statements and people it's not to falsify you know what actually happens to suit the agenda of your superiors it's to save the people and save the public right and you know like I say my best mate dad got his statement back a few years ago you know when the inquests were all made public and stuff like that and it's the statement was changed in so many different places you know it was like did you see you know those two young girls who died and it was like did you see these girls it was like yes did you try and help them yes and like all these things were changed to know and you know like it's there it was disgusting do you know what I mean and like I probably still shouldn't talk too much about that but then you know the the fact that you know they tried to blame their own they tried to blame us you know they tried to pin it on their own people saying that we were looting in the pocket at the dead pissing on the dead do you know what I mean how disgusting is that this is people's mums people's brothers people's sons people's fucking daughters do you know what I mean people's dads do you know what I mean you just fucking think about that for the second this is people's lives do you know what I mean and it was just branded in a way that it's just it was so blasé it was just so off the cuff like how they had to blame they've killed their own you know it took us fucking 30 years just to get the truth about what happened just to get the real Vedic do you know what I mean how could anyone in this city stand for that fucking government you know what I mean in addition to this do you know which one was gonna go on too was like you know you look at Manchester in the past 10 years right it's past 20 years do you know like they've had 80% more funding from the Tory government than Liverpool have do you know what I mean you look at Manchester there's fucking all sorts of areas around Manchester all built up new trendy areas do you know what I mean see that waterfront there in Liverpool that's funded from the european union not funded from the fucking Tory government do you know what I mean most of our most of our income as a city you know it comes from tourism and do you know what I mean we be European capital of culture and we've got that bit and we've been out that massive we get fuck off from the government you know what I mean you have to kick and scream and stomp to get anything from them now likewise now look at this look what's happened in the past fucking three years right you've got people now man i'm labourer and to know better with this do you know what I mean you've got like the doggers you look at the doggers do the day this city was built on the fucking docks right it was built on the docks the heritage of the doggers do you know what I mean right this city would would be on its ass without them docks and the doggers there have been them docks for years and years and years now we pride ourselves on our docks and our city you know what I mean and it's a big selling point for tourism it's a big selling point for industry it's a big selling point for why we get so much business is because you've got such a successful doggers do you know what I mean and now these people are working fucking 70 hours a week sometimes do you know what I mean and you have to fucking stand on a pickle line for two three weeks do you know what I mean to just to get what they deserve the fucking no no obviously there was no Tory MP down there showing them any support the head of fucking Labour Keir Starmer who was in my eyes a fucking Tory in a red tie do you know what I mean he wasn't down there to support them do you know what I mean he told people that they shouldn't be on the picket lines right now let's put this into perspective now right inflation now with with the with the energy crisis right the energy crisis that that everyone keeps talking about the energy bills everyone's bills going up and we fucking feel it you know what I mean I know your more you know your mortgage ring might go up your water bills definitely higher everything's right now everything's fucking up you know everything's up the price of fucking pint of milk in Aldi is higher do you know what I mean and these are like affordable supermarkets for people do you know what I mean now it's up to a couple of days ago it was up to a rate of about 11 percent do you know what I mean now people people's wages aren't going up 11 percent are they do you know what I mean and like you know you're looking at firefighters now who are like picking for the better pay and stuff like that people in the public sector naces and all that it's all going to come do you know what I mean there's you know you've got airport staff everyone's starting to strike because the wages aren't going up and you know they're rejecting and it's like people from government saying you know these people are rejecting five percent pay cuts well it's like hang on a minute they're still at a fucking six percent pay loss if inflation's gone up 11 percent why should they accept the five percent pay that is they're still below the fucking bread line then do you know what I mean that fucking next to six percent could be the difference between you eating and your kid eating and both you're eating or like you say having a eating on tonight or having a fucking decent own cooked meal do you know what I mean like it's disgusting and and then what the government is saying to us what they tell us is this is why I fucking hate the Tories so much and this is why people from Liverpool hate the Tories they're telling us well we don't have all this fucking money to just to be doing this you know the whole country's in crisis even the government but yeah what about the fucking 43 billion that all your fucking mates made are fucking track and trace and fucking covid testing stuff like that you look at all them companies randocks all of these big track and trace companies all these companies they've got these big fucking contracts and ran all the testing sites x y and z all the fucking CEOs are either related to our best friends with the fucking high swanky Tory MP fucking meant family member of do you know what I mean it's day it's clear it's day you've only got a look do you know what I mean but they're earning fucking billions and billions of pounds off off a fuck off people's off off some off a pandemic you know what I mean do you know off some of the people are dying from so I mean they're making money from death you've got that cunt Matt Matt Hancock you know what I mean he's a murderer mate he's a fucking mass murderer he's on the jungle he's on the jungle oh I just want people to know I'm a fucking nice guy do you know what I mean fucking hell mate what about fucking Charles Manson is anyone putting him on the telly to say I know he's a nice guy he's a fucking mass murderer do you know what I mean there's no distinguish do you know what I mean what that cunt has done people could be easy but that's the thing yeah yeah yeah you've got to look at fucking Boris Johnson everybody was locked down at Christmas people fucking scared not seeing family members who are dying these cunts are having Christmas parties you know what the time but it's always you must you know go to work do go to work stay in and you know get the fucking bus and do this and do that you know what I mean last night go to sniff cocaine in a private party and you know Downing Street with my 18 year old Russian mistress and fucking you know what I mean and like it's just like one real for one one real for the others it's fucking disgusting do you know what I mean and you wonder why we say we ate the tori so much the lion thieving fucking made her in crooks do you know what I mean and like just off what I've said then should be enough to make people hang on a minute yeah do you know what I mean question it well it's all this bollocks like do you know like the nurses now the NHS on the NHS are fucking trying to get a pay rise and it's like oh no we can't give you but it's all right you know all the nurses on our front line you know everyone get on get on your front doorstep and bang some fucking pots and pans together but now you want a bit more money fuck off you're out your depth do you know what I mean and now but if you look at like the houses of parliament on days the MPs pay rises which they got of course do you know what I mean you look at like um you know you're gonna look it was on you know not this Marcus Rashford they took a fucking Premier League footballer to get kids who live below the bread line fed on school holidays do you know what I mean like fucking school dinners do you know what I mean it's why wouldn't you feed hungry kids do you know what I mean why wouldn't you break any bank expense known to man to feed the hungry kids in your fucking country that you're supposed to be looking after that's rule number one in it feed the fucking children mate do you know what I mean don't have starving kids on the streets and it took a fucking footballer sorry for me language but obviously you can see how much I'm annoyed I am a party but it took a footballer to fucking go and meet him write letters and do this that the other do you know what I mean I know for a fact that one of my local MP Dan Cardin who's a constituent for Walton right I know that when Theresa May in 2016 when she when she was Prime Minister he went to her with that same fucking bill the same bill so any kids who who asked to get free school dinners because he can't afford it you know the parents can't afford he's from single parent family he's from you know double parent family that still can't afford to pay the bills do you know what I mean if he gets fucking a school dinner when school's on just because he's not going to school doesn't mean his mum and dad are in and any more money he still needs to be fed when school's off so I want to start this so there's communities where you know hubs which children can go to under privileged children can go to in the school holidays once a day to get a good meal and she laughed them out of the fucking room do you know what I mean she laughed them out of the fucking room do you know what I mean and and all of us and you know four years later you've got Marcus Rassford now doing that and I get it done do you know what I mean but what the fuck man do you think is the bigger you get you can then try and do something like Marcus Rassford when you get that yes you assume he did a presence that you listen to music for bank of day you talk about Bob Dylan you talk about who's on fast car again so she's having a time-less music that people can listen to resonate with and make changes with it but do you think as you can get bigger bigger status you can start making more and more changes to then that's trying to help the people of Liverpool as well that's the game do you know what I mean I don't mean it I'm still trying to get on that platform where you know or even get to a financial situation where I can give a lot more back than I do now do you know what I mean like I've already tried to do that so before I even released my first single weekend of Paradise LA LA LA you know which was the Liverpool song that sort of put me on the map with Liverpool fans worldwide like I'd never entered penny for music up to this day do you know what I mean up to that day that and LA LA what we've done was we recorded it and we give all of the money every bit of money that comes in goes to a local charity in the city called an hour for others do you know what I mean and this was back when I was still working as a spark and couldn't don't with the fucking few extra quid myself do you know what I mean but in my eyes it was like nah man I'm gonna minute this is the Liverpool song sung by the people of Liverpool it shouldn't be lying in my pocket it should be looking after the people of Liverpool do you know what I mean so to this date I think it's probably give about 60 or 70 grand to that charity do you know what I mean and that's like that's massive for a charity like that to be able to to rely you know obviously it doesn't come as constantly you know the better Liverpool do the more that charity you learn through people listening to it but you know like for that charity to be able to have had that you know what it's done for them to be able to instill the change in the area you know it's amazing and I'm so proud of not only myself you know boss nice as well because we worked on that together to make that done and you know I made up that I was able to do that and yeah you know look at Paddy the bad thing now do you know what I mean he signed a couple of big sponsorships and he's doing the right thing he started up a charity and he wants to give back he wants to look after people here do you know what I mean he wants to look after the people that have looked after him and like why is I want to look after the people who look after me you know what I mean I'm writing for these people these people even though it's hard enough to fucking feed themselves and the family they still might find an alternative buy an album they're still finding 30 quid to buy a gig to find the 20 quid to buy a fucking book or a do you know what I mean and I know how hard it is do you know what I mean and it's it's overwhelming for me to see that level of support from people you know who are from the background at the are so of course one day yeah that's that's my dream my dream is to be able to to have a charity to have a foundation to have a hub where not just children you know what I mean people you know of all ages and fucking background can come for a bit of safety and a bit of shelter I think a big thing for me meant life do you know what I mean because I think you know you can you can improve your financial situation you know I mean with a bit of guidance and stuff like that you know if you fell on hard times but the mental damage that you've done to yourself in them hard times is always going to be harder to to to recuperate from do you know what I mean and to to get better from and I absolutely meant life myself since you know being in the limelight and not through like you know any traumatic childhood experiences and like that because as I said I had a great childhood but like you know since being in the public high and you know social media and x y and z my mental life's fucking suffers and still does at times do you know what I mean but to people you know man that's like man's I got a most like a fucking first world problem do you know what I mean my mental life do you know what I mean but it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter because if you're struggling you're struggling and that's the important thing that's the important message like like you say if people might think he's fucking flying high he's doing this and singing in front of 60,000 Liverpool fans he's top 10 album in the charts like it doesn't mean fuck all if you're whatever you're overthinking would you think that as it's creating that you know you say social media like we kind of are a close beforehand but you're singing in front of crowds in that like yeah it's not but that's the thing that's that's that's like the your getaways like a freedom that's like yeah thingy yeah like you know I used to be a lot better with it you know what I mean like obviously like when you first start off and you plant the trees at 400 people and all your mates you don't take nothing for you just like one of the lads you don't take yourself very seriously I still don't take myself too seriously do you know what I mean but like now do you know like I don't know even like you go to Tesco do you know what I mean for like a pint of milk it's fucking hectic do you know what I mean it's hectic do you know what I mean and it's like you know and you can't obviously you smile and you're like yeah yeah you know you're alright but if you're having a bad day you still gotta put that fucking act on do you know what I mean because it's not the person's fault that you've had a bad day and they're just happy to see you and they want to fault someone they want to chat and stuff like that and that's not like the main suffering me mental health and it's come from bad experiences do you know what I mean it's come from people fucking giving me a bit of shit and people like making an assumption about me before knowing me and stuff like that and like you know I had a couple of fucking evatorians like locked the road once do you know when I was trying to drive home from a match and you were like don't move for those cop icons and that and I'm like look lads I'm fucking me best mate to fucking blue warrior on about you know what I mean it's a game of football fucking move do you know what I mean I'm going home I'm not causing no trouble I'm not trying to antagonize no I'm in me fucking car I've left the game early to get away from anything like this and I'm fucking faced with it now and they're just walking stopping in front of the car and so I was walking winding them up you know what I mean like sort of reversing and then driving and stopping and going oh you know like trying to have a laugh a couple of them saw the funny side one definitely didn't seem as like almost putting the fucking car saying you know watch what happens if you hit me blah blah blah and you know like inside what I wanted to do was jump out the fucking car do you know what I mean run the car over yeah run the car over go and get me fucking crowbar crowbar yeah dingy bar and I just wanted to go and grab that out the boot and see you come on then soft latch do you know what I mean but you know obviously in Mayard I'm thinking well there's four of them there there's another fucking 500 evatorians coming up the road here what are they going to do they seem fucking me running out fucking trying to scrap with one of this I'm getting it aren't I my car's getting it not only that people are going to film me and be like hey we're just kicking off blah blah blah so I had to sit there and smile and pretend like I wasn't fazed by fucking only when he eventually fucked off and I got away I was rattling do you know what I mean I couldn't even drive all night I had to pull over and was like do you know what I mean I was shook do you know what I mean and I've had do you know and I'm saying words and sniggers that you're having when you're adding Tesco and someone gives you the luck you think where's this gonna go yeah do you know what I mean and you doubt yourself and all of a sudden you're not the same person walking out your house and it happens without knowing and it got to a point where like do you know and then also you know you do things on social media like you know you fucking come out and you know I think one of them was Paddy was fighting and I was in Texas I'd been playing a festival in Texas the week and you know like now because of social media unfortunately it does it's for someone like me as far as it's not real life and I'll say it's far cry from my fucking real life and how I am in real life but you know you'd have to use social media to enhance your profile and to get further praises and you know you need good video content you need good video quality you know if you were doing this off your fucking iPhone mate you know over a fact it wouldn't be as great as it is because people want clarity they want quality they want audio they want visual so I've got you know and because these lads are doing a documentary I've got camera lads knocking around with me in Texas for the full week I'm fucking having a bite of a butty what does that butty taste like to you know what I mean you're like oh yeah it's nice lads they're lovely lads they're doing a job they're doing what they've been told to do you know what I mean no problems with them but then you know they're filming me as I'm watching me two fucking good mate scrap in the UFC so I'm fucking tearing up screaming oh I'm only fucking kill that same with Paddy you know choke the cunts out lad fucking bye bye bye I don't mean I don't actually want them to kill the person I just want them to win the fight you know what I mean he's been made wouldn't even watch the UFC if it went for them do you know what I mean it's local pride sort of thing and I'm fucking screaming you know what I mean and then you know I have lads running me Twitter and me fucking Instagram and these videos just get sent from the camera lads to the people who do the post the day edited and it goes up and I'm fucking asleep in bed do you know what I mean because they've posted they're at UK time and I wake up in the fucking hell mate every man on his dog calling coming out calling me a scruffy tramp fucking you know I've got a big gap in between me teeth people are calling me that people are fucking like going to like absolutely terrorizing me like I mean some horrible things said you know what I mean and then you like it be cut it starts to become like a thing you're getting like fucking 14 year old lads and girls saying stay to this cunt and you know what I mean and you're getting like lads from fucking Manchester lads from fucking Bolton do you know what I mean writing shit about you and you're writing songs for like them do you know what I mean you're like you look at the Twitter profile and you think you're fucking bricklayer from fucking Bolton I'm writing songs about you do you know what I mean I'm tired of making better for the likes of you do you know what I mean I'm tired of like fucking give people like you a voice that don't have a voice in this fucking mad world anymore but the sad reality is when you start doing well you're going to get that because people are scared about their own life they're scared to see other people's success well I'll post clips in my podcast and people say oh you're promoting this and this you're shit you're listening to that but they can't follow me they follow me yeah fuck off then it's mad so like if you don't want to see it don't do it but that's just people in their own misery so I feel sorry for those sort of people like you're watching something and and having a dig at something completely like no matter who yeah no matter how big you get like nobody wants to be hated upon nobody wants people to stand in front of your car because you're thinking well I'm not doing anything bad yeah I made a homeless documentary and I get shit for that yeah so I try to do exactly you try and propose what's fucking happening in the streets and oh you're doing it for this and this and that again it's disgusting it's like even you know people saying things about Paddy you know from the weekend and that he's like fuck off mate you try and do an interview riled on adrenaline after fucking scrapping with some absolute monster for three rounds do you know what I mean you just want to fucking battle you know what I mean yeah adrenaline's high look at Anthony Josh you know what Anthony Josh you've come out and done that it's like normal people like not normal people people who have never been in that situation they don't know like can you imagine like the feeling that's going through Paddy's body there and then you know he's warning people like he's just you know what I mean he's talking and I think he spoke quite well to be honest I think he you know he tried to turn it you know because people are like trying to be controversial about you know did he not win the fight which he did win by the way people are being controversial and then people start saying you know he's talking about his charity he's trying to spin it on a positive you know what I mean people are saying I was doing that but he's fucking not he's got he doesn't need any fucking publicity he's paddy the fucking baddie do you know what I mean people build you up and when you get to a certain level they want to see you feel they want to see you jumping out the car locking a cunt down an Everton fan they want to see Paddy flot him they want to see him getting battered they want to see Molly getting beat they want to see something bad happens because it makes them feel okay that I was always like yeah or he was always shit like this is a society in life where in social media is destroying people's health seem you're having a bad day what do you what steps you do to try and push through and keep going I didn't like for a long time I fucking wasn't getting out of bed do you know what I mean I was yeah like you speak to me bad you speak to me mum and dad you know I was fucking because do you seem like lads like you say you representing cares that you're representing saying things and then it's got two thousand likes and all people commenting on it and you know what I mean you think this is sparing out of control here you know what I mean what I don't even know these people are fucking calling me this calling me I'm getting called a nuns do you know what I mean because I've got a long guy do you know what I mean and you're like what the fuck do you know what I mean like and you can never prepare yourself for it obviously until you say it and I'm quite a sensitive person do you know what I mean and like things do cut when I see them do you know what I mean and you know I'm fucking hell mate I go to a food bank in the city I start crying do you know what I mean because I'm appalled the people are fucking living the way that they are do you know what I mean I am a sensitive person so people are saying things about me I'm gonna get upset as well do you know what I mean and to be honest it took me to therapy to fucking to find out how to deal with it you know what I mean and now it's just a case of well I don't have Twitter on my phone for example I've deleted Twitter do you know what I mean it's toxic horrible couldn't help couldn't help but you know I have a Twitter account in that and I tell me social media lads what to do and you know put this out and yet this is the word you need to say for it you know what I mean so I am still posting but just through someone else's fucking phone but I'm not saying what's being said back to me do you know what I mean I'm not saying so I say I mean than it yeah that's it and it's more like you know like even in you know like you know in public places now where like people you know it's a bit it's a bit like you can just it's all like to be like yeah time mate I can get a photo but then I've got to go do you know what I mean or like yeah time mate that's fine if you think like that but I really don't want to talk about this today do you know if someone's coming and trying to be calm it's a bit I've got a bone to pick with you do you know what I mean that's what you get sometimes you get that after gigs as well do you want to mean excuse me just want to wear the do you know what I mean and you're like what the fuck do you want to wear it for me you've come you've seen the gig I've gave you 110% on stage I'm fucking naked now I've got a photo would you got a photo with your sister I've got a photo with your fucking brother I've sent a message to your fucking dog do you know what I mean like now watch watch you possibly have to say now do you know what I mean and it's like you know I don't agree and you're like look mate like you know in the past I get riled up and it fucking and then I'd react and then what I get me down was the fact that like an hour later I come he's a fan him I shouldn't have spoke to him like that and it'd be inside do you know what I mean so now it's like look mate I've done the gig I've give you 110% on stage I've got photos with everyone I've been very you know obligatory to whatever you've asked I'm tired now mate don't really want to have this conversation I just want to get on the bus and wind down I've got this all to do again tomorrow and that's like me sort of like I have to explain myself but without explaining myself do you know what I mean you just tell them and just go and even like to the point of having like you know saying gigs in certain times that I go to having someone with me not like a man that like someone who's changing clothes protection and it's not even like to just yes for your own safety you've got to that level now but you don't know who is out there because there's a lot of mad bastards out there and it's just like when because very obviously when people are pissed and I don't drink do you know what I mean so that's the worst to see after that events we do like hands on it's only like seven eight hundred people in it but after it at the night they're all sheepish yeah they don't want to really say well after a few pints it comes 10 o'clock 11 o'clock people are grabbing you and asking stupid questions and it's not your account and it's like because it's draining after speaking speaking even doing a podcast too I was draining because they're giving it 100% concentration and it's it's it's it's almost the thing that gets me it's the right to people think because they've been there well I own a bit of you now I owe I'm I have a human yeah I have a right to like grab you and pull you here and you know you you know one time it was like I was in Tesco and it was like I like that we had a photo and it's like yeah it's like we say message to me lad yeah yeah hello lads thanks for the support so be good blah blah blah and it's like right well you call me mate in no bed and you're like no do you know what I mean lad I'm not who is he I don't know he could be some fucking mad cunt I'm not calling him a no bed I know lad he hates you he doesn't like you I'm like well even more reason for me not to call him a no bed then do you know what I mean like no do you know what I mean I I fucking hell lad what are you being like that for and you're like what am I being like that for lad you stop me you know what I mean I'm with me fucking fiance in the shop you know I'm fucking I've got x y and z to do today you stop me now for fucking a minute and a half I've done everything I've been dead nice you've got the one time I don't feel comfortable doing something now I'm being like that I'm being a no bed am I do you know what I mean and then all of a sudden he's like well I'm speaking to me like that lad and you're like well what of the choice have I got lad you didn't think no for an answer do you know and all of a sudden Jamie Webster's in Tesco kicking off at some fella do you know what I mean and it's like fucking it's it's it's not always easy so for like when I am in social situations like round gigs and that and when you're tired and you're fucking you could be maybe it's more for me if I can be a bit like temperamental it's like well I'm going a minute mate you know what I mean or just snappy or whatever it's just someone there to just go you'll be with you in a minute lad there's a couple of people here just let them see it you know what I mean and then when a couple of photos are done if someone's making me feel uncomfortable just give me a look and he'll just go right lad that's enough now and this lad looks after the fucking Liverpool team and that you know what I mean he's not soft and people take one look at him and go all right mate you know what I mean and like it's sound and even the band feel better about it now because like the band we're getting harassed it's like oh tell Jamie this and fucking like the band that put something you know give set lists into the crowd and they get pulled in and he's just there he's just like look fucking hell mate you know what I mean it's sort of but it's not all the time but that has helped but definitely therapy just helped me do you know what I mean the lady who spoke to she gave me some tools to like when you're going into social situations to prepare yourself prepare yourself for you know if I'm really bad then I feel like I've had a bit of an episode or whatever it's a panic attacks yeah not like a full-on panic attack I couldn't say I've ever had a full one I've had very close to one I think you know what I mean like and a pranayama you know like a breathing exercise in the morning and it really like calms me down that's a good one but like that's why I was going back to like the charity side I'd love to be able to help people with food support and you know housing support but I think a big thing what I'd love to help people with is mental you know mental health counseling some sort of therapy because you know I paid for my therapy and you know thankfully it wasn't not an extortionate but you know it was still an expense do you know what I mean and we've just been spent an hour and a half here or whatever and how I'm talking about how people don't have a pot of pissing with the increasing rates of energy and everything else do you know what I mean inflation in general so like I'd love to be able to give people free counseling do you know what I mean like it's not important man and I'd love to to be able to amplify the importance of speaking to someone do you know what I mean and yeah that's something I really like I feel really strongly about and because now you don't understand it until it happens to you because I didn't understand I'll be I didn't understand it you know I had made two took their own lives and stuff like that a few years back and like your first first thought at one of them was your selfish bastard do you know what I mean if you don't know and you know I used to think oh mental health is like itself as you're not looking at the big picture but then it's only when it happens to yourself you realize you can't see the big picture because it's just so fucking don't an overwhelming you don't know who you are anymore do you want to mean almost and you feel so lost and like did you feel yourself going down the south side or no no no suicide's not because because of because I've had friends who've never got the ferry put is potentially another yeah we could smile could spiral yeah it takes a great thing to get you're a stronger person getting ferry putting anything because that shows that you are strong instead of being weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker it then pushes you over the edge and it's sad to think that nobody wants to be in a self because it can be a great place as well as much as all this shit that comes with it like but it's all about how you can control it up here like for you to go and get ferry put especially at a young age it's not even fair to them because of your life then that gives you more content to speak about that gives you more opportunity to then try and help others why because you're loving it yeah well I just remember like being in a hotel room in Reykjavik in Iceland on my own do you know what I mean and it was where it was fucking miserable I was like me whitting and I hadn't had had the number do you know what I mean and I hadn't messaged it to shake can I have a call and I remember being sat there and I was sat in this hotel room like literally on me oh no one who else was working was flying out to the next day of fuck all it's all the sadder the industry people don't see there's a lot of loneliness don't mean there's a lot of being away from your friends and family and all that shit you know what I mean like hotel rooms are nice do you know what I mean but fucking the much nicer would you fucking beard in it do you know what I mean or your little dog or whatever or your parents in the next fucking room or whatever or friends out and about would you do you know what I mean but I remember being in this hotel room and I was literally lowered probably the lowest I've ever been and I think my parents worried about me me me fiancee was definitely worried about me do you know what I mean and I just like me management worried about me everyone was a bit like you knew you know there's only a certain people who could tell but like I made the call and it was I just remember like fucking out I think most of the phone call was just me bawling do you know what I mean and even after it bawling but then I woke up the next morning man and I just felt so much lighter do you know what I mean my shoulders were left every with less heavy my head was less heavy and it was because she'd made sense and she just after time you just need someone to tell you that you knock on fucking crazy and that you justified in to be feeling the way you're feeling because that was my thing it was like why am I feeling like this I've got more than all of these do you know what I mean or I'm doing this do you know what I mean like so many people have fucking killed to be in my position why do I feel like this there's something fucking wrong with me I shouldn't be feeling like this and it was only when the therapist said well actually they don't understand how you're feeling they will never get the chance to experience that and you know as much as it can be a you know a blessing doing what you're doing it can also be a case and this is why and you know she she's someone who's worked with people with much higher profiles than me and it was just it was a bit of fresh air and I I think I had seven or eight sessions where there was an extensive thing where like I was in therapy for years do you know what I mean it was quite recent do you know what I mean it was within the year this last year and just the tools that she gave me just really really helped me and like I know who I am now do you know what I was new or was but I know who I am working into situations that make me uncomfortable do you know what I mean if I know that something's potentially gonna be like a lot of people pissed that's the thing pissed people that's what really really gives me the anxiety because you can't control it in any way there's so many elements that you can't control if you know if if if you're going into it I don't know if you're going to I don't know if they're fucking bitches or something do you know tends to be young people on the pitches they might have one or two or they're not fucking heavy they might say hello lads kind of a quick fault that's sad but it's when it's really when people are pissed and they start telling you to sing give us a song lads and you're like well nah man I'm fucking in the pictures doing it and like oh and Greg's I fuck off give us a fucking song I thought you were fucking singing man are the people all this give us a fucking song you're like well now you're just being disrespectful what do you know what I mean like what do you do for a living I always say to people oh I'm a bricklayer go on then you'll fucking build me a fucking chimney lads do you know what I mean or like fucking do you know what what do you know what I mean what do you do what what do you have lads oh yeah I'm a I'm a farmer sister tell you what then lads write me a prescription for fucking 40 days as a prom and I'll sing you the fucking song all right you know what I mean no you can't do that well neither can I you know what I mean it's just like little things like that when people think that you're like a fucking you know performing monkey when they're pissed it's always on the pissed and they're like you know what I mean fucking dude they're just this that baby this that baby that blah blah blah and you're like yeah it's sad I get it you know what I mean I get it and I try and be accommodating but then once I do be accommodating and then you know step the life further then do you know what I mean that's where it worries me because I try my best to be nice to everyone and if I do have a bit of compensation or a bit of awkwardness with someone it plays on my mind a lot in the days later do you know what I mean and I always say which I could see that person again so I could just set myself straight and he was the therapist he was like well no hang on you don't need to because you didn't do fuck all along do you know what I mean naïve don't you know I've overstepped to matter so sit down down and understand that you're not in the wrong if you're saying that people know it's just learning how to say no yeah that's it no I've done too much off to a full but see you released your first song that weekend in paradise like how are you feeling after that yeah boss because obviously it was a song that was fucking resonate with so many people do you know what I mean that's the first thing I heard of you yeah it was no matter what walk in life with you've got a fucking load of dough you've got nothing with you're a posh console with you're a real fast you know what I mean chances are you've been through that you know what I mean at some point in your life do you know what I mean and I think that is the universal song that sort of grabs everyone's attention politics aside do you know what I mean it's not a very political tune do you know what I mean it's all about you and what you do to yourself and what you know I mean how you deal with that and if it works for you and you're having making memories that'll last a lifetime then crack on son do you know what I mean no problem at all with me fucking happy for you but if it is making you're fucking anxious if it is making if it is starting to get to you if it's fucking having an effect on your day to day because you've got no fucking money or because fucking you're not in the right frame of mind or because the drugs are making you depressed or whatever do you know what I mean if it's starting to fucking have an effect on yourself as a person and in a negative way then maybe it's time to call her into question come back a bit you know maybe go out for two days instead of three or fucking just once a weekend or not at all do you know what I mean whatever works for you but that song's you know it can be translated to suppose any individual do you know what I mean you should sort of listen to that unless you're fucking square and you've never been out and had a good time in your life do you know what I mean but it doesn't even have to be fucking drugs it could just be the idol do you know what I mean it could be whatever could be gambling or whatever do you know what I mean you can interpret it to whatever but I've felt so proud do you know what I mean like I think I remember like you know on an indie label remember do you know what I mean and it was like basically my own market and it was my own social media profiles and basically Liverpool fans do you know what I mean at the time because I hadn't done no Liverpool since up to that point and I think we were like yeah if we can get to like a thousand between one and five thousand streams on the first day do you know you've really really made the statement there and like you know you'll get promoters sort of looking at that and like you know you might get a you know this couple of people interested in whatever and I woke them up waking up so it had come out at midnight and woke up at like eight o'clock I looked at my phone and this thing called Spotify for artists so you can tell you how many people are listening at that moment in time and exactly how many streams you've done to the second and I fucking turned it on it was like seven thousand streams at nine o'clock do you know what I mean I was like what the like 400 people listening now and like the label were like fucking because obviously I'd never worked with the label before or not and it's all been or not do you know like this is fucking surreal this doesn't happen do you know what I mean like fucking hell and we got to 35000 streams by the end of the day got to like a hundred thousand in three four days do you know what I mean it was like what and then that's when the fucking you know like promoters started being like like do this gig gig sells out do you know what I mean and it was like well fucking hell starting to happen a little bit now do you know what I mean then obviously we had a cup with Jerry do you know what I mean which I don't maybe know and then done my first gig in the Zanzibar like my single lunch my first single lunch and fucking you know everyone there had a good time for like that the death on stage I thought it's me me me manager at the time like because we had the paradise was great and I had my stompbox doing it but I had to write all these other songs and like I had the writers saying at the start they have visions for these songs and I have visions of people singing these songs back to me and like more feel me you know it was my first gig none of the people in the room had any idea either of the songs other than this place I think because a few people who played it in boss nights and stuff but all the other eight or nine songs that I played there's none of that right and I'm like why are people's you know we might have like all I've been used to for three four years was fucking Liverpool fans screaming everywhere singing for me almost you know what I mean I'd sing the first word and they'd just go so like I'd come into a bar where people were having a baby people were having a chat while I was singing people were still coming in it was fucking weird for me I've been through this since I was like 15 in a band do you know what I mean and it was like whoa I've gone backwards here because it was because it gone to such a profile and such a place with the Liverpool songs where we would play to thousands of people and I'm coming back to 300 people in a fucking small room and it was like whoa and like I just didn't I couldn't you know I was trying to make this stompbox do loads of the work for like songs that didn't need it and songs that needed the drummer and the guitarist and a fucking bass player do you know what I mean and like come off 167s and like that was the day like we were like right you need a band now do you know what I mean like we need to we need a band to make these songs fucking as exciting as like the lyrics are basically do you know what I mean your first album went top 10 yeah but how are you feeling with that again the target was top 50 you know on an indie label and you know the other bands knocking around were getting in and about the top four to you six six yeah fucking it was mad do you know what I mean like I think what happened you know what honestly helped and like I'd be honest and you know where people say a lockdown killed me lockdown killed me from a live point of view where I wasn't earning any money but like from a promo point of view football had stopped and everyone my biggest challenge was the crossover right the crossover from Jamie Webster LA LA LA to Jamie Webster singer-songwriter do you know what I mean in his own right that sings live a pool songs as well that's what we needed to get to do you know what I mean oh he's a live pool fan he does that thing but this is where this thing is with the band them and his own songs and you know whatever and like I think because the football stopped and no one's seen videos of me singing fucking video van diech you know remain on twitter every fucking day I think like the fact that I was just talking about this album it was people were listening because eight people needed something to fucking listen to at that time everyone was bored shitless they give them a bit of focus and I'm like talking about my album and I'm talking you know it was a completely different side of me that people were used to and people were interested by it and because like I said there was no football and there was no LA LA LA at the same time as me doing all this people weren't getting confused and people who weren't necessarily football fans or necessarily live a pool fans were being given the time and space to sort of see this enough without it being interfered by a live a pool song and go oh hang on well you know something's gotta give stuff like that come out in the campaign and you know what I mean a couple of songs that were really talking about what was going on at the time and maybe summarizing the period do you know what I mean almost and it just really helped do you know what I mean it just I was able to amaze myself completely into music and the album come out and fucking do you know it was just surreal we were like setting targets like right we're at 500 sales we need to get to like another 500 by two weeks time do you know what I mean and then we get three days later and we're like right we're on 1200 sales here do you know what I mean so we'd set a new target like be a 2000 by the end of the week and we get to fucking two and a half thousand by the end you know what I mean it was just going like that it was just it was just a fucking amazing thing where like from the get go we were just it kept beating our expectations and like you know what we'd set for it you know what I mean it just kept going past the borders and we were just like fuck this is great but then after we get by we were still on a lockdown and from it going like that it literally went do you know what I mean because I couldn't gig so all the listeners that you can see they all start dropping off or your engagements on your social posts start dropping off do you know what I mean you can't do anything about it because you can't gig it was like what do we do so it's like again it was like that was a tough time do you know what I mean because you're wondering like by the time we're all allowed back we'll have one of forgotten about it whether they're just beating that five minutes in the sun and these are things that no one knew the answer to at the time do you know what I mean people got the stud there and going oh no you'll be all right but that was only them being reassured and that wasn't them knowing in concrete because yeah some people it wasn't do you know what I mean and thankfully thankfully I was fucking you know able to go and write a new album because I had nothing else to do do you know what I mean it was like well lad you can't gig actually it's your album what a year two years after that second one yeah it was like February 21 one it you know what I mean or the end of January 2022 did you feel more pressure on that because of how well the first one done yeah I see no like there was everyone was going when I said is it you feel the pressure like I had about the pressure of the second album everyone was talking about it everyone thought the second album you know but like it wasn't it I was lucky because like I wasn't gigging it's like normally what happens is a band goes out to the first album and goes and stores that album does loads of fizzies and they're on the roads 24-7 and then all of a sudden everyone's like come on lads what else have you got where's your next thing because they don't always want the next thing don't they and like you know bands who have been on the rope for eight months a year out they're going to write and record and you know what I mean and it was like having to force yourself to write but for me I had nothing to do but to but write do you know what I mean I was sat in sat there with the guitar with no no way to be nothing to do for months and months on end and you know so thankfully the fire was being fuelled by all the shit that was going on like you know what I mean all the lads we were being told oh you can do this or you can't do that now but you can do this and you know you can't see in Anang Landa but I can go and have a party do you know what I mean but all that shit it was just fuelling me fire there was so much to talk about and so much to write about and you know I was trying to capture like the feelings of so many different walks of people throughout the pandemic with that album and it was moments just to I thought like you know life is all about moments and you've got to live for them and the moments have been took away from us for now and that's where the concept come from for moments the album do you know what I mean and again I think the pressure with that one was not actually writing it and recording it it was more mark in it and it was like it needs to beat we get by do you know what I mean because otherwise you haven't even gone out and done a tour and you're already doing you know taking smallest you know taking backward steps so and it was mad because like the first weekend that we announced moments we fucked it up we announced it the same day as the Liverpool game and it got lost in translation and basically like you know we had a target for the top 10 then because we done it when we get by so there was a bit more pressure in that sense that like we get by it was like top 50 or do us and then we realised we were on for the top 20 halfway through the campaign and then the week off we were like we might get the 10 here do you know what I mean it was like it was a wonderful surprise but then because we got the 10 it was like we need to make sure we get the 10 again and that was a pressure like of the first weekend that we announced the sales we come back on the Monday and we were like oh yeah we should expect between 3000 and 4000 sales now because of the first one and yeah and because you've gone and you've done a tour I've done me tour and all that and people you've separated yourself and you've got more fans and we've done like 300 do you know what I mean and it was like fuck and for the first like a few might month of the campaign it wasn't moving and we were like shit you know I was like shit I was like fuck like I'm gonna be embarrassed here if this doesn't make the top 20 especially after like I've been fucking because I was so happy with how it sounded and I'd put I'd had so much time and effort and the sound was a lot more complete and I was so much more proud of it as a body awake and as a piece of music I've been like you know feel it not foolishly but like confidently saying it's fucking great this album it's kind of you know it's well better than the first one and it's this that the other and I don't know if you want to know about it do you know what I mean because it's like it's not thankfully like you know we realized that like we looked at numbers from the last campaign and we looked up like rules had changed within the charts and stuff like that so we managed to find the way that suit of those and we announced a load of gigs where you bought like an album with the gig ticket because we found that that was my strong point playing live in front of people so people always wanted to come and see me buy the gigs like you'd announced a 300 cap gig and it sell out in a second but you'd announced a limited run of 300 vinyl and it wouldn't you know what I mean you get like three both and you're like well that's my fans aren't either giggoers they're not fucking collectibles you know what I mean you have some people some bands who are like the fans of yourself fucking 15 000 vinyl because all the fans are like mad music collectors but they're doing 400 cap venues do you know what I mean but like I'm the opposite I'm doing big venues but me the actual sales were less so what we done was like make the tickets cheaper but they have to buy an album with the gigs so they're still paying the 20 quid or whatever but wait subsidize an half of that towards the album do you know what I mean and it meant that I ain't less money doing the gigs and stuff like meant I ain't no money doing the gigs on that run but it meant that we sold another fucking 3000 albums do you know what I mean so then come to with your release year on 5000 and that week thankfully we smashed it and once the album was out and people listened to it because people still have the mindset that I'm gonna try before I buy do you know what I mean and it's fair enough and it's like people want to listen to what they're buying first and I get it you know what I mean and I'm probably the same I'm only pre-order a band's album if I'm fucking absolutely like into them not like I was with Jerry do you know what I mean and you're like I want to order and even if this album shit I still want them to do that well so I'm gonna order the album do you know what I mean but like normally you probably go yeah like well like you know the Atom Monkeys album for example I didn't pre-order it because I thought well to the Atom Monkeys for a start do you know what I mean like everyone's gonna buy and listen to it before I buy it I want to check I like it so I just listen to it that they come out and then obviously ordered the vinyl later do you know what I mean but like that was the thing you just have to work out what demographic you have got you know with your fans and stuff like that and that's it for the label to do and obviously I'm very hands-on with that side of it you know I don't understand it all properly but I'm very hands-on and who was it singing in front of 60,000 love up who fans in mid-red yeah it's fucking you just you can never pay yourself for that shit you know what I mean it's like you I still see the video popping up it's still incredible you know like I can't remember it really it was just adrenaline like you know like no other like I'd never experienced you know it was just fucking I just remember running out on the stage I just remember saying to myself be like you know be angry be energetic be you do you know what I mean I think that was your moment to then yeah I just lay the mark down yeah well it was that was the day of Sammy Dracot deal as well because the funny story the fella Dave pitch he runs our label and he runs the city in the city he's quite well known he he was he sorted the stage out for the club that day because he books festivals and stuff he runs his own festivals and stuff so he'd save them a bit of money with the production and stuff like that and he'd been put on the flight just to oversee you know any negotiations that might have had to happen onsite and I got to that next to me I didn't know where he was and I started chatting to just you know just like you know he was just like that evening he was just like how are you son you know what I mean you're looking forward to your gig didn't let on he was proper fucking dead eyed me he was just like you know who do you listen to lad just talked to that the talk was about me mate you took their own lives you know I'm fucking crying on the plane talking to me talking about like I like Elton John but I like fucking NWA as well do you know what I mean it's the old tell a story at the end of the day I was saying the tunes the tune and he was proper proper hit it off and then it was the end of the end of the fucking end of the flight he went give you number lads I might have something of interest for you when you get home I'm the fuck are you and he went well I've got I've got a record label on out you know Sound City the festival in Liverpool I went oh yeah he went it's my festival I went oh that's Andy and Elton I mean give me number and soon as I finish that thing I can't really remember the gig I remember playing weekends in paradise I remember seeing people with banners of weekends in paradise before it was released do you know what I mean in the thing and it was fucking incredible and family behind me on the stage I just burst into tears after the gig like overwhelmed I don't know why just overwhelmed with emotion I think it was just the one bit I took in at the end was a la la la and it was seeing seeing like three generations seeing like a young lad about 12 then a fella probably about 34 35 like that with him a pair of them tears and then his dad probably about 65 all three of them three generations of family crying their eyes out just fucking lost him in me you know the day the occasion and it's just like the biggest thing in my life up to that point and he was just looking around and she said funny enough I spotted Paddy in that fucking crowd of people see his hair see this big blonde big jump on top of a rock and I was just I like Paddy and I just seen him do that back to me maddest thing but I just remember seeing all these people and I was just like what a fucking beautiful sight do you know what I mean just like it's just so pure it was just like you know suddenly you've you've grew up with from birth the football team you support you don't choose it you know what I mean and like it's just such a tribal inherited fucking coming together of right you know it was just euphoric it was just joy it was just love do you know what I mean and it don't mean to sound like the fucking fella who started what stuck here by saying this do you know what I mean trying to try to be a cliche if he bastard or not unlike that but it was do you know what I mean you could feel it and like I just see it and I was just like it's probably I just remember saying to yourself take this in now because you might not say a better sight than this in your life do you know what I mean and like I just looked over me shoulders see me family and just look back at that and I was struggling to sing the rest of the song because it was like the tears I could feel it coming it's fucking hell mate and I just put the guitar down and rap grabbed this big drape just wrapped myself in it my beard found a way into it and I was just bawling do you know what I mean just like crying my eyes out just like happy obviously you know I was just like what the fuck was that the family must be proud of you ah they're insanely proud look me mum and dad like I said from the very start they've supported me throughout everything do you know what I mean and like even though like you know I'm a lot more when I say my politics down the line but they do but I'm a lot more radical so to speak you know what I mean I'm much further to the left and I'm much more outspoken about it you know what I mean but like me mum and dad if you give me everything you give me the best advice I could have ever asked for and whether I was playing in a fucking shitty pub with 20 people you know and then I'm playing for the 60,000 people they've been there me first thought he come to every fucking gig opened down the country and like the only time that he didn't was kind of because my dad was in hospital do you know what I mean and he still wanted to get out of the house he didn't come he's fine like you know what I mean it was just whatever at the time but yeah like the supports I've had for me mum and dad and I think they still come to all the gigs they were at the arena do you know what I mean they were side staging fucking Glastonbury you know wherever they can get obviously they've got two other kids that they have to support and look after them be there for as well but any chance that they get they're at one of my gigs and you know I genuinely wouldn't be sat here without them do you know what I mean I wouldn't be and they are so proud fucking me dad he's a you know he's a proper scoush dad so do you know what I mean you build a nice fucking as they come big fella loves a pint loves a pint do you know what I mean for a fucking like you know I never you know when I when he comes backstage after the gigs you can always see he's being blubbering like a baby do you know what I mean you can see he's being crying you can see that sensitive side from your dad and my mum my mum's very sensitive as well my dad's not sensitive in the sense that like he's just proud do you know what I mean my dad's like he is sensitive probably behind the scenes but he's a man do you know what I mean I've never seen that so the only time I've ever seen I've never seen him cry but I've seen that he's being crying do you know what I mean and because you wouldn't want to let me see it you know what I mean but like that's the only time the first time I ever seen that from me dad I think was in cave when we when I played in front of what 10,000 people do you know what I mean in a square that's not being fucking bombs or smithereens like which is math do you know what I mean but now being parents we're always being fucking so proud of me and like you know like I say the opportunity to give me is led me to be doing what I'm doing with the dice so I could never ever sit here and go you know I had the shit upbringing and like you know and trying to paint a picture of this yeah fucking watch the way the slumdog millionaire type of story do you know what I mean well for one I'd need to be a fucking millionaire but you know what I'm saying yeah it's you know you don't get anywhere without support you know what I mean and like thankfully you know I've got a great family you know great mum and dad's brother and sister who like you know did it for me all the time and me fiance as well do you know what I mean I met her before all this went so you know she's loyal yeah yeah of course jumping on the yeah see when because I know you're getting close a big fan of yours like how's that relationship come about it's mad you know it's crazy because like obviously I don't do as much as deliver pulls stuff even though I've just been to America just landed back from America doing it which was insane but like the fucking the things I've done with that club the rooms I've been in the flights I've been on don't I mean like the stuff I've seen and the information I've been thrusted with by that club it's but it's mad you know what I mean often they're often the moments where you pinch yourself and you go am I really fucking sweaty yeah you know what I mean when when I'm like doing my own songs and I'm playing festivals and glass and people can you believe it I'm like yeah I can because I've worked like a fucking dog in these last four or five years to get here because I knew that as soon as I knew that this was a possibility I worked like a cunt to get here but there's Liverpool things just happened over the night and it was fucking never an intention of mine to be doing that I just used the play covers for the lads after the gig for 80 quid you know me backbent do you know what I mean and I go out that night and I'd spend that 80 quid that beat that was what I'd done it for it was for the now do you know what I mean it was for a great laugh with the lads and a good boss after the game do you know what I mean I never took myself seriously fucking hell I was I'm singing nursery rhymes it's a best adult basically that's what I'm doing with the Liverpool stuff do you know what I mean and like I never took myself too seriously with the because because why would you do you know what I mean it was a laugh it was so but like I still can't believe to this day where the fuck it's got me and what it's done for me do you know what I mean like the rooms it's put me and the people have me do you know it's fucking crazy like the coming sea in America yeah that's what I mean but Jagan again he genuinely like it's weird he likes me as a person to only mean like genuinely if he coming here now every time I see him and I stop and speak to him I'm like Jagan look I'm sorry lads I don't want to bother you any longer I'm gonna leave you to it and he's like why lads I want to talk to you you know come and sit here it's not fucking where are you going do you know what I mean you're like he's either fucking real him you're looking around and he's got your stuff in the life he's just that so he come to see me in in Michigan before he knew what it was basically I've been flying around with the team in between like this so we started in Charlotte then we went to New York and then we went to Annab Annab in Michigan it was just after the cave so it was before Madrid and all that and and like obviously everyone stayed the plays are all everyone's in fucking club gear and I'm sat there in my track with my guitar you know in like the in the lobbies and that and getting in the airport and fucking every time I'd work past clubs letting on to him he just kept fucking looking at this guitar and looking back up at me so to say like what the fuck what a football club what's this kid doing with the guitar so eventually he asked someone and he was like he asked Peter McDowell and he does like the announcing on the he leads the teams up before the game he does the news on Italian and I think he asked Peter and he said like who's this fucking kid with the guitar and why is he here so Peter's like oh he does this and you know he done a lay lay lay and you know blah blah blah this is you know you might have seen these videos yeah well I want to come and watch him well he's here just to get a feel for it so like that video where he comes in to the bar and I'm like you know what I mean like I suppose I can ruin the surprise now that was actually acting that was a that went I knew he was coming because the security team had to do a wrecky of the fucking room because it was just like a little it was well smaller than this it was a hotel bar that was just for the Michigan supporters club and they clop was not supposed to be coming it was just supposed to be me Robbie Fowler and John Anorisa they were doing a bit of a talk I'd play some songs and that was the end of it 60 of them intimate fucking gig now thankfully clop was doing an event upstairs in the hotel for sponsors like a cocktail thing and it finished just as like man was finishing so the security had done a wrecky to check that he could get him in and out and Peter said to me look he's going to have to try to do something for the cameras here he went just say oh my god there's something I thought fuck that I'll look like you know one of some of that bad acting on Holly Oaks or something like that you know what I mean so for and I'll just put my hands on my head you know what I mean and you come down and just do that well it was still just the same in front of me do you know what I mean and feel his presence it was amazing but we didn't have no much more contact than that until the next year obviously I'd done Madrid and then I was sat at the gate waiting to board the plane out to self-bending Diana it was the first place we were going not to damn University was the first stop on this next tour and he's like stood there and stand where the camera is here and he's like looking looking at me and he's like does his little smile and you're like all right cafe sort of thing and he just gets up and starts walking around no way he's coming up to me and he was just like I've been looking at videos of you all fucking summer lad it's just you know me and I was like what from lad you've been looking at me fucking Calvin Klein modeling and that you know I mean he just started laughing you know I just said something I don't think it was that it was shown like that you know what I mean if you've been looking at me modeling or something you know what I mean or me not my bodybuilding videos I said something like Danny just started laughing you know it's all fucking you know incredible lad in Madrid blah blah blah you know what I mean I fucking can't get enough of it and I was just like ah boss I was like oh yeah it was grace so I just said to him I was just something like and I think he was a bit like what you know what I mean like what because people obviously people flap when they say man oh yeah and what did you say to the lads at Barcelona do you know what I mean what did you do this what did you do that and he's fucking not interested in that you know what I mean and he was just a bit like it's right lads you went I went to Vegas you know and I went to Vegas I've just been on a stack I was like Vegas is a belter lads where'd you stay lads and just talking to him about Vegas here he was like staying the win great this that dude then he was and I remember him saying to me this is what I thought I'm gonna get on with you there he was like Vegas he was like the weather incredible food incredible shows incredible he went and nobody in Vegas knows or gives a fuck who the fuck I am don't I mean and I was just like it's right lads he was like I had a boss time family holiday no one bothered me it was great done this show you'd have loved the Beatles show he's talking to me about the Beatles now and I'm like fucking hell do you know what I mean like and he's just like I'm like I'm made up you don't have to go to some lads do you know what I mean he was like I was yours you know and I was like I've been to Spain with me missus blah blah blah he's talking to me about a dog and every time I'd see him I'm sorry just be like do you know what I mean I'll be like a bit weird this year lads do you know what I mean why is he like just fucking you know Robbie Farliss thought they were like still you know what and then like the end of the tour this lad Ricky who's like the head camera lads boss lads proper scouser living the dream like obviously like you know he works with the prayers every fucking days all all that footage of them in a dressing room have my fucking parties after the cup wins Ricky's filming and he's just a scouser for a bootle who's a Liverpool fan do you know what I mean yeah he loves him do you know what I mean boss mates and shit like that and so Ricky's been trying to get me out on the air a lot so you know come on lads have a baby have a baby have a baby so last gig was in New York at this tour and I played in Carragher's bar and I was like lads I am shattered mate I said I'm going to bed I can't even stand up I'm not good it's like come to East Village lads lads I was like nah lads I'm not going for some fancy fucking club in New York like it's not me I don't fuck I don't want anything like that I've got the game tomorrow and I don't know how I'm here for the club I don't really want to be rough all night so anything you know what I mean fucking I want to come back and do this again sort of thing go on go on I'm sad I'll leave you so then by 10 minutes later he phones things and he goes lads you need to you need to come to this bar you need to come to this bar I'm not going to East Village lads I'm trying to come from the hotel I can't tell you why but you need to come I was like fuck off Ricky you're just trying to get me on the air lads I've told you do you know what I mean I'm not born yesterday lads I'm not coming do you know what I mean he's like lads you need to come and I'm like why do I need to come lads tell me why he's like lads I can't tell you I can't ruin it for you and I'm like ruin what lads what you know what I mean what have you got waiting for me there lads Bob Dylan there and he was like better lads and I was like lads come on mate I was like you're gonna have to tell me he's like oh I'm not coming he's like all right lads the gaffer's had a night the gaffer's on a night out and we just got the nod off he had the travel to come and as soon as I've worked then he's called me over and he just said where the fuck's Jamie get Jamie here now I went lads he gets one night off on the old fucking tour what does he want with me lads stop lying to me he said I'm quite annoyed that you're playing on me hats things like this because you know how much I fucking love him he's like lads I'm not lying to you he's coming I was like bollocks you know what I mean I was having none of it he just goes for fucks yeah and he doesn't believe me and I just said what tell him to get the fuck down here now and I was like go ahead lad I'm on my way you know what I mean walks in the bar and he's like here he is here he is here he is fucking gets all his fucking coaching stuff get me this round I was like stop this now right now you know what I mean if anything it's the other way around fucking you know what I mean nice to meet you and he was just like sit down I'd have a baby went outside the bifter with him and all that it was fucking great he was just and you know what he was just like he was talking to me like like I was a son of something you know what I mean and he was just like I fucking love what you're doing and like he's just had so much time for me and what did he say to me he went tell me you fucking cried after that gig in Madrid tell me you cried and I was like oh I don't want to play cool or I just can't lie to him you know what I mean it's like lying to fucking god or something even though I'm not religious you know what I mean you know what I mean and I go to a bad place if I lie to him so I was like look lad yeah I wrapped myself in the drape on the waist I was crying I was fucking so happy he said that he said because two days after the fucking final once all the parade was done my wife made a big bowl of pasta and we sat on the house on the couch as a family we put youtube on we made a twitter account we made a facebook account and all that and we watched everything from the fans we watched all the fans footage and I watched your set and he said and when you were singing a la la la at the end you're getting emotional and when it finished I based out crying on my couch it was like I was in tears and my family hugged me we were all crying and I was crying watching you so I made up he's like I made up you taught you you know what I mean you cried as well because I would have felt soft I went fucking hell but I thought it was gonna be soft telling you that I cried so we laughed and all that and he was just like look Jamie in my peplenders we're just like lads what you're doing is fucking brilliant you know what I mean like the way you brought the fans and the players and the team closer together it's fucking incredible you've really helped bridge this gap and we really felt very distant from the fans and I can honestly tell you I don't feel so distant no more and look we need to keep on the way we're going because if we do it's not a guaranteed recipe for success but there's a hell of a lot more of a chance that we'll get a bit successful if we carry on moving together in the same way you know keep doing all this you know getting youngsters involved in singing the songs the atmosphere is translating on the pitch the players it's like honestly you really are and I was like fucking hell mate it was like you can't mate you know he was like thank you and I was like lads you've just won me the other pink cup you know what I mean the other way now and lad look I'm a Liverpool fan this all happened by accident sort of thing you know what I mean and yet of course I still fucking do it you know what I mean and his boss just had a boss night with him you know it felt really you know he knows how to you know he can tell he's a man manager you know he knows the players want to fucking run through walls for him because he makes them feel appreciated makes them feel I've seen him with the players I've you know first hand behind closed doors no cameras I've seen what a man he is I've seen like how he goes even the younger players who you know have got no chance of ever kicking the ball for Liverpool he doesn't make them feel like that when when they're on pre-season all with them you know what I mean got his arm around them you're having a laugh with them he's fucking taking the passports out to the back pocket and slapping them on the edge with it and you know what I mean he's just like a fad of figure you know what I mean and like the funniest thing after all this was we don't have fucking I don't like a corporate event for for the main sponsors Liverpool's all its CEOs are like all the big standard charters and all that all the big companies come to Amfield to do it every year and like the club put on this big dinner for them in one of the suites at Amfield and like very very not my world you know what I mean and like it was they're always the hardest gigs to do them you know what I mean because the people aren't really asked about what they're just money man you know what I mean on the day but you know what they basically what I was there to do was I had to sing a couple of songs of course and then each table had like a player's name so it was an oxley table and table there was a meal on the table there was a salad table and all the people on the table had to make up a song about the player do you know what I mean I had to help them with it it was fucking dead cringy dead you know what I mean corny corporate shit but you know what they had a laugh with it and some of the songs were fucking you know what I mean whatever they were but it was just a part of like getting everyone talking to each other and that networking thing but the other special guest speaker and they all thought it was like fucking I knew it was clop and they were all saying I've had it's van dyke I've had it's Milner I've had it's Lovren I've had or whoever it was at the time I knew it was clop and obviously fucking Colin Murray you know Colin Murray yeah he's doing the he's the one hosting it so he's like I'd like to introduce now me and I know Colin from mid-ridden that he was on the stage he means I'd like to introduce now the special guest yeah you can clop everyone fucking gobsmacked you know what I mean clopwalking through the back doors and obviously he met all these people before these are the people who are putting money into the bank of Liverpool you know what I mean and he's walking around like you could tell he's like yeah you know what I mean and he's waving doing like the little queen wave and that and he's like yeah yeah and he just looks points at me goes what the fuck are you doing in here you know what I mean and he just comes over makes a b-line off his roots just goes like this you know what I mean he's like take everything you can get Jay and just walks away like as if to say I'm made up you're getting a fucking belly for this you know what I mean and then all his speech he keeps bringing me into all his jays you know what I mean why you know what I mean but like I genuinely don't get it do you know what I mean he just like I can honestly say confidently that he likes me do you know what I mean and it's an amazing feeling breathing this time the last pre-season so we just done in July went to Singapore and all that ends up on the plane having a drink with a couple of the players and that you know surreal like fucking fucking like party in the sky so to think no one's pissed you know what I mean I'm just having a couple of bevvies but Van Dyke's got weekends in paradise on the speaker do you know what I mean come through here I don't know what I mean it was fucking amazing all the play Anderson fucking unbelievable fella top captain didn't went drinking because he doesn't drink but like proper took me in made me feel dead welcome on the plane and that and like just like proper captain do you know what I mean and like it was amazing who's your favorite lover people probably Anderson since has it yeah since like as a player man as a player was Robbo do you know what I mean Robbo is me number one because it's just like that story do you know what I mean of like being what he was working he was like Pat's hand football and yeah Queens Park and you know like and the way he plays you know what I mean it's just passion it's like the way I play music do you know what I mean it's just full throttle passion energy grit determination do you know what I mean spirit do you know what I mean and every scout resonates with the way that Robbo plays for you do you know what I mean it's just a fucking tough country you just see yourself in him do you know what I mean I think your character man is well that you're so well late even though sometimes you maybe see comments of this but your love's all around the country all around the world man like you know you don't sit with a high these high caliber guys and they're walking across from wanting to high five you that tells you about your character obviously the self-doubt can keep in sometimes and you think am I doing good enough am I good enough but clearly what you're doing is fucking working what you're doing you're only thriving you're only want to get better you only want to leave a blueprint for other young kids in Liverpool this is how you do it like just sit share a room with these people and shouting you in a lot of these people don't go anywhere at any time of day because they can't be fucking asked no and you know you don't have a lot of coming with them you know obviously it's such a different life in it but now Robbo is you know is the one who I'd always be like yeah he's me man you know what I mean but obviously Harry Elliot's quite quite a chatty lad to me you know what I mean I know his dad's on that you know what I mean he's got a younger brother who likes to come to the boss night gigs and stuff like that and the boss kids so we always you know sort them out in that and yeah just but Jordan just like I could never the way he took me in Alison as well like you know I've had a few interviews with me and play guitar with him but Jordan on the plane just like I could never I'll never ever forget it do you know what I mean like and like he got his phone up and he was like he was like who'd you listen to do you know what I mean so that's kind of like ask me about me and that it's like it's older when I'm who'd you listen to so he had just fallen up you know what I mean and he's showing me like his his downloaded library we get buys in there the album downloaded I'm like you've just fucking done that he's like I've got no airplane mode I've got no wi-fi I've got no signal that's that's on me and just like he was great you know what I mean I was a proper captain do I mean like and obviously he's he's lifted everything that he can lift with Liverpool do you know what I mean which is more than any other captain has ever done do what I mean so there's there's that to say for him as well as well as being a top football and a top professional but you know as a human being and like as a captain like he's just a he's just a blow model do you know what I mean for any young player in the game really and you know he's such a lovely family man do you know what I mean and just not about time for him do you know what I mean and like even now you know like played a couple of games this season and like you know come under a bit of criticism from you know even friends of mine do you know what I mean and like I didn't say it you know what I mean I think people just expect different things from different people do you know what I mean but for me he played the other thing he played Ajax at home and he was fucking outstanding and I just sent him a little message on instagram and I was just like I will play today skip you're fucking great day do you know what I mean best is just back thanks very much mate means a lot you know what I mean just little things like that and you just think didn't need to there he's just fucking ran his ass off he's gone home to his family he's got fucking hundreds of thousands of messages coming in from fucking Liverpool fans but you know he took the time to message me back within five minutes and it's just like don't have to be asked to do you know what I mean because I know he's a busy man but just from that on the plane and even you know what I don't know if it was me or one of the media lads or Rob or someone spilled to someone to smash the glass on the plane and the flight attendant come and was like oh I sort it and Jordan was like nah and I I sort this which got on his hands and knees you know what I mean cleaning the glass up do you know what I mean that's still a bill captain there do you know what I mean like lead by example man and even like I just remember looking at him thinking you know what lads fucking respect on you lads do you know what I mean by all means do you know what I mean you get kinds of fingers on that I think I think most people if you fucking smash a glass in the restaurants or on a plane I think nature is to let somebody work there clean it up because in your head you think oh that's the job do you know what I mean and like you know you're not being disrespectful by doing it a lot of the times they insist do you know what I mean but to see him do that on a plane you know you know obviously he's a business class fucking client do you know what I mean and like that obviously the the air else this is like oh seriously what are we doing just like it's all right that's all right you know what I mean cleans it all up yeah don't want anyone don't want you walking on that you know what I mean it's just like you just probably just cheated like I always had a good opinion of him anyway but that just amplified it you know what I mean because he didn't need to yeah he didn't need to he could have stayed in his first class suite upstairs but he'd come down to have a look at what all the you know mixing not just me but the other staff who work for the club as well and yeah it was great and these are the things I've had the joy of seeing but you know what even everyone plays remember going to Qatar when Liverpool played there and I was a guest of like the supreme committee or something like that where even a guest of Liverpool and I got put to this like we got talk to this dinner it's like John Barnes, Cafu, fucking Pochettino, Ruby Koster I think, all mad players Tim Kale, pop stars like honestly had me at this table this was like in 2019 still do you know what I mean weekend of paradise has only just come out and like I was thinking what the fuck am I doing at this table I had the shits as well there's only boss food you know proper top Qatari restaurant type of thing and I'm sat there at the end of the table eating bread do you know what I mean and like I'm looking just just like nodding to John Barnes for a bit of comfort because I've met him before and after it Tim Kale came over and was like all right mate Jamie what's happening that I was like the fuck do you know what I am he's like lads obviously I'm an everything fan I eat your videos but I think what you're doing what you're doing it's great do you know what I mean he was like you know I think it's boss what you're doing and I made up that you've got to come and do this and you don't see it do it it's an amazing thing you know just wish to do everything song sort of thing you know laughing and I was like fucking Ellie's right lads you know again you didn't have to come over and do that and again I fought myself obviously I've load me mates have met actually the poor players through me but me too ever mates you know like obviously they don't want to do with any of that so I was like Tim I'm sorry to do this because I really do hate to do this but lads you are the best player any of my ever Tony mates has ever seen because the rest of them are fucking being proper shits do you know what I mean I was like you are you know of my generation ever Tony and team you are the man and I don't think any other ever ever fan of disagree with me do you know what I mean if you're an ever fan out there and you're talking to him Kale do you know what I mean he was your man he was Tim Kale beans and peanut they were the boys from the area the periods of that time do you know what I mean Coleman or whatever but so I said look can you do a video to the lads he was like yeah of course lads do you know what I mean he'd done a video and I was like I can't believe I've got the seven bastard talking on my phone for you there he was like you know having a laugh at me taking all fucking noses off of him lads he fucking loves the toffees and all that you know what I mean he was great and like you know you realize it's only then you realize that you do see them as like human beings as well and you think I fucking Ellie are dead sound and probably fucked him off loads of times as he was in his car as never played in the city he was a little kid than that you know what I mean but it's a nice feeling it's mad and that's that's the Liverpool side of things where I say you know when I'm saying at the start I've been in some fucking mad places with it and that's the shoulders you're rubbing with like it's unbelievable to see just a kid who's playing covers to then traveling the world mixing it with the biggest and the best what's the plan for the future Jamie boy like where do you see her so you just gotta keep going haven't you do I don't I need to put a you know put expectations out there for me and say I'm gonna be here by this time because the music industry is a tough industry to crack and you know life's just you know it's not always doesn't always go to plan does it you know what I mean but for me I would just fucking love to to keep doing what I'm doing for as long as possible do you know what I mean and if I can move up the stages move to the bigger venues if I can get a bit of fucking radio play it's not gonna it's not gonna make me dick any bigger you know what I mean but you know if I could make the connection I'm making with people now on a larger scale if I can bring about some positive change if I can fucking not brainwash but if I can open people's minds to a different way of thinking you know what I mean like some people may not realize do you know what I mean the politics that I speak in applies to them a lot of people don't you know what I mean and you know even like like they could make even just making people realize that they can make a change to their own life as well as other people's do you know what I mean I think that's the biggest one that you can change your own life however way you want to change it if I can bring that sort of realization to people in any way do you know what I mean and I feel like I've done a good thing do you know what I mean but that's not why I'm doing it I do it because I love it and because I'm passionate about my messages and I want to get them out there and look fucking out I used to get up every morning and load me car six o'clock in the morning going away kind of freezing cold sites all day now I get up in the morning and come and speak to people like you and come and you know sit there with the guitar on me do you know what I mean like that's I'm living me fucking dream at the end of the day do you know what I mean it's I want to continue to do it as well I'm not saying it's easy every day because it's not as I've touched on do you know what I mean but you know we're asking me if you know do you like doing what you do I'd say yeah I fucking love it you know what I mean and like this this is a dude a dude is for the hunger of it and like and to get up in the morning and to enjoy what you're doing to enjoy the hustle and bustle I love the business I love the fucking crack I love the crowds I love my fans and yeah I just want to just want to keep doing it there's no no reason why I should stop anytime soon like yourself James I'd like to make a bigger impact in America do you know what I mean I'd like to get over there one day that's going to be the hardest cookie of all especially because the minute me music is so UK politically driven it might not make a connection with as many Americans at this moment in time but you know I'd like to get into Europe a bit more I'd like to get into I want to take over take over the world I want to see the world I want to go and do it all you know looking at Paddy now do you know what I mean there's the inspiration do you know what I mean he's doing it he's yeah I know I know I'm doing it on Paddy's doing it on the level at which you know there's it's a fucking global worldwide fucking top top level do you know what I mean and I think I can get there do you know what I mean I might like to have that chat with Jerry Cinnamon one day as well do you know what I mean just hopefully just you know let him know that I won't rip him up do you know what I mean because well fucking if I think of you to probably compare bank balances you'd say I haven't ripped anyone off do you know what I mean but um yeah like I just you know just be me self and you know to make the connection that I've made with people now more and with more people on a bigger scale you know I've done the baddest twice over I want to do the fucking hydro one day do you know what I mean in Glasgow I've done here and I've got the paid edge shows to do I want to do a fucking you know I want to do a park show I want to fucking do you know what I mean headline Glastonbury yeah you know I want to play the well headline Glastonbury again it's something you'd love to do but you know the pyramid that's something that might be hard do you know what I mean given where I am in the age I'm at now but there's only just beginning no no but the pyramid stage do you know what I mean I set on the pyramid stage that's the epitome for me do you know fucking headline a festival do you know what I mean might not be Glastonbury you know what I mean because you've got McCartney and Elton John and people like that you know what I mean maybe when I'm 80 but uh like you know just just get out there man and see the world and you know maybe even learn if you learn more about myself learn more about what the people learn more about the world learn more about music make more music fucking have a number one album do you know I want to do it all but you know if we all stop tomorrow the journey I've been on I'd be fucking so happy with what I've done so proud and like just like I just like to first and foremost thank all the people who've put me because you know I wouldn't be doing this without you know I've mentioned me mum and dad and my girlfriend and my fiancé rather than their support but like you know the support of people who don't know me from fucking did lead you know me and who's brought into to what I do who's support you know like all the people fans from the start spreading to all the people you know who've managed to look past the Liverpool thing and get behind me all music anyone who's bought the ticket to the gig anyone who's listened to a podcast anyone who's listened to a song bought an album bought a bit of me it's just like to thank you so because fucking use the ones who are making me live me dream because I sing it without a crowd without his fans without listeners it's pointless it doesn't work do you want to mean and thankfully you know usually for gone into me tunes and gone into me as a person and hopefully you know you just continue to do it for me just you're sitting here today and meeting you this is only the beginning for you to where you're going to take things and the way you want to be let everything you've achieved obviously the self-doubt always going to be there but just look what you're doing now that you've already chosen that path and it's already leading to everything that you've ever set out to do so that just shows you your character you don't everything's levels and 2023 just going to be another big fucking level for you that for anybody that's watching because I know you've been open about your mental health now for anybody that's watching that's maybe in the struggle what advice would you have for them Jamie talk talk that's it honestly like it's cliche and it's the main it's the first thing that everyone says but it really does problem share there's a problem half in my opinion you know what I mean like you've half the burden with someone else and like you don't have to talk to you know it always helps if you can talk to people that you know and you trust you know your friends your family obviously some people don't have that luxury but you know it could be a fucking neighbor it could be a fellow you see every day on the bus it could be someone in the fucking local coffee shop or your local fucking coffee you know what I mean you just need to talk to someone because you think people don't care and people don't listen but people care more than you'll ever fucking know and like the biggest strangers can become your best friends do you know what I mean in this world and that's that's the you know if you're worried about you know professional help is always the way to go not always people can afford it not always people know where to find it do you know what I mean but you go and speak to your doctor you'll be able to sort you know with the but you know we might not come as quickly as it would if it was private and it might not be as great as it would be private but it is there and you know if you feel like you're being abandoned by systems that are supposed to give you help and guidance do you know what I mean talk about it you know what I mean that's when you especially you've got to go to a friend you've got to go to a family you've got to go to you know someone you've got to tell them that you're not right and the other side of it is as well as talking is just knowing that it's okay to not feel okay it's okay to feel lost it's okay to not feel yourself because we we all fuck don't care who you are or what you do or where you come from you might not think that you've been through some sort of mental health struggle but you're fucking half do you know what I mean and like especially now in the world that we're living in today it's so much harder stop paying attention to social media stop paying attention to whatever other country got you know what I mean like we're all different you know what I mean we've all got different paths to walk and different streets to walk up and down and it's recognizing what your street is and you know finding what your street is do you know what I mean you might not know do you know what I mean but just talk man that's the most important thing because you'll find out answers in asking the questions anyway do you know what I mean and in talking about your feelings you'll sort of summarise as to why you're feeling about that but yeah I just say you're not alone do you know what I mean that's the you know the biggest thing that mental health is feeling alone but you're not do you know what I mean because fucking hopefully this podcast has made you feel a little bit less alone do you know what I mean but just honestly the world's a very compassionate place if you know what I mean if you trust the right people and you and you find you know the right you know the right people and again like I said you might think people don't care or you might think no one's asked or people wouldn't miss you do you know what I mean and that's the big thing as well but they would they really fucking would and you all being here makes so much have an impact on people's lives in a positive way that you wouldn't even realise until you were gone do you know what I mean and or until someone fucking told you or until you told someone that you were suicidal or you didn't want to be here anymore they tell you just how much they fucking need you're here and how much they want you're here and yeah and again it all comes through opening that mouth of yours do you know what I mean or sending the text and also it happens on the flip side as well if you fucking know someone and you think they're not quite themselves do you know what I mean or they all right they're a bit quieter they don't see themselves don't just say ah they'll be all right you know what I mean they're just fucking tired or whatever oh you've got a rascals you're all right lad you sure yeah you know you can tell me you know if if someone's not all right and sometimes that's all they need to break down and go fucking hell this has been happening that's been happening you know what I mean they need to know someone cares about them and that happens by caring about someone by just knocking on even if it's fucking glad this next door you know what I mean you haven't seen it for a couple of weeks she lives on her own just give her a knock on the door man just ask her if she's all right does she need any fucking shopping in do you know what I mean I can spark the conversation it needs to be at and it's so fucking important because look this is what I always say see them cunts up there and fucking down on streets and the fucking houses of commons they're not gonna help you do you know what I mean they don't give a fuck about you your kids your parents or what you do for a living but fucking see us see people in the community we fucking do do you know what I mean and that's what you need to realise so go on go on finding people go on finding people who are there for you and I guarantee you know if that's today and you go on finding people tomorrow you'll feel like there's much less of a problem Jamie boy thank you for coming on and telling your story thoroughly enjoyed that you're doing amazing mate I look forward to seeing what you do for the fucking future 2023 it's going to be even bigger and bigger than both of us God bless you bro thank you