 Test, test, test, test, test, test. Brendan, in full view. That's been the changes with Brendan. Let me know. There's some changes, but let me know. All right, everyone. Whoa. Are we ready to go? Good morning, everyone. Afternoon. Good night for whoever's not here in San Francisco. I'm Jorge Vargas, part of the Global Reach team, and I'll be your host today for a timer. And I'm very happy to be here. So a quick run through the agenda. We're going to start with an update with Catherine, giving us an update, followed with the usual welcomes. We're going to have updates today from community metrics, global reach product, at the end of our usual Q&A, and we'd love it, we'd love to wrap up. So with this, let's go to Catherine, who I believe is joining us remotely today. Hi, Catherine. Can you see me? No. No. Can you see me now? I can hear you, though. Okay, well, we'll just go ahead and get started. Hi, everyone. I am coming to you from London today, where I am at Moz Fest, which is Mozilla's version of, I guess, Wikimania. I'm here to meet with some of the folks who are in their open community, get to know the community a little bit better, talk about what similarities we have, learn from their experiences, and to give a talk on diversity and inclusion in the Wikimedia projects, and how that relates to community culture. It's good to be here, but I'm certainly missing being back at the foundation this weekend. I wanted to give a quick update on where things are, because it's been just a little while since presenting at a metrics meeting. It has been a quarter. We wrapped up a great first quarter for the year. We're now a full month into quarter two. As we know, we've just gone through a couple weeks of quarterly reviews, where all the different departments came together and presented on what they'd accomplished against their goals, and started talking a little bit about what that means for their coming quarters goals. I think that the process went really well this quarter. We learned a lot from what different departments had to share. We're experimenting with new ways of presenting information that focuses more on learning, from the work that we're doing, from the successes that we've had from some of the challenges or failures that we've seen, and how that impacts the work that we do going forward. So congratulations to everyone on a great first quarter. I wanted to call out some highlights over the course of the last couple weeks and months that I thought were worthy of note. This by no means is an exhaustive list. They're just things that were top of mind for me. This steady jump beat of improvement and accomplishment within the foundation, the fundraising campaigns, we're now into fundraising season at the moment with campaigns running in Europe, and I'm excited to say that from that team's perspective, we are not only is everything running really smoothly, but we are on time and ahead of schedule and everything is looking good in terms of the outcomes. My inner improvements along the way is that team just continues to do a great job refining. The work and workflows have really made a difference for the folks who support us every year in our fundraising campaigns. The finance team, really exciting to note that they completed the audit for the last financial year and it is clean as a whistle. We went through a really extensive auditing process with our auditor KPMG and they came back having tested everything that they could possibly test and found that everything looks like it is in great shape and so real accomplishment for the finance team. The communications team, you're looking at it now with this deck today. It has rolled out a beautiful, new, updated and fresh brand instead of brand guidelines for the foundation. You'll be seeing that going forward. You may have already seen it, you've been doing a wonderful job socializing that and it's really, I think, given us all sort of a fresh sense of who we are when we are speaking about Wikimedia in public and communicating to folks outside of the movement and inside of the movement. The talent and culture team is about to engage everyone in our every six months engagement survey. So I'd ask for foundation staff, please do participate. It's an important way of us understanding the progress that we're making, the challenges or the pain points that we have and what we can do to continue to support you better. And for community members who are interested in when those results will be presented, we should have a sense of that, the engagement surveys coming out at the end of this month. So we'll be looking at getting those results back in December and presenting them to the community as soon as we have that in the way that we have in years past. I wanted to talk a little bit as well about some of the great work that the product and technology teams have done. We have updates to the Android app and it's fast and smooth and engaging a lot more people. Wikipedia.org you may have noticed has been refreshed. It's more usable. It's easier to find content in the languages that you're coming to Wikipedia in. The technology team has rolled out performance improvements that have, and sorry, and sorry, there have been performance improvements that have been rolled out around lazy loading for images and articles that have had a significant impact in the way people using mobile phones are able to access Wikipedia articles but also save money when in terms of major data costs and there's a great blog post about that on the Wikimedia blog. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about a couple of consultations that are ongoing and if we could just go to the next slide there. Encourage participation for folks who may not be aware that this is coming up. Oh, back one. So the first, well, it's not totally in order but that's okay. The first one is one that's opening from the community wish list. So the community wish list team has gone through the 10 different requests that we received in the last community wish list survey. They've accomplished five. Others are in process and making good process there, some over the longer term horizon. They're ready for the next set of wishes and that community wish list survey is going to open on November 7th. Seeking inputs on your wish list until November 20th and then there'll be some sorting and prioritization. So please do be engaged there. Another one that I wanted to call out is the legal team. I hadn't mentioned them yet but they are deep in the process of a consultation on Creative Commons 4.0 and what it would mean for us to switch over and update our licenses to that. I know that they've been getting some great participation but they are interested in more feedback from community members about the opportunities and the challenges there. There's some interesting conversations happening in that space and so I encourage you to check it out. That is ongoing today but it does close November 8th. So if you're interested please do go over there and take a look. And then the last one I wanted to mention is a proposal about structured data on Commons. Integrating support for WikiData structured data into Wikimedia Commons in order to improve all sorts of the way that Commons workflows work and the flexibility works within Commons as a great repository. There's a proposal for accelerating some of the work we're doing there with a potential grant from a major funder. I'd encourage you to take a look. That's an open conversation right now that's ongoing and we're looking for your comments and feedback over the next couple weeks about the opportunities and challenges there. So there's a lot going on at the foundation and we're excited to be presenting it and I think about it for me for today and thanks so much for the time to give that update. Thank you Catherine. So continuing can you hear me? And by the way in IRC someone was saying that this is super echoey so if it continues to be echoey let me know. But let's welcome some new people that are joining us today. Nicole is joining us for community engagement. Lauren Finance and Administration. Carolyn for product. Shristi for community engagement. Pio for product and Erika for product as well. Let's do a round of applause there. And for our amazing contractors, interns and volunteers we have Anna joining us in advancement. Kavitha in product. Ravi joining us in the advancement Claire, FNA and Zareen for product. And we also have some anniversaries. This is a long long list today but we definitely must highlight the eight years of Ariel and Trevor. So eight years for them and seven years for Guillaume which is also impressive. Five years for Amir, Rachel, Heather, Aaron Antoine, Gabriel that's a long time. Four years for Andre, Zeca, Brad, Adelie and Robert. Three years for Gargo for Caitlyn Virtue and Caitlyn Cocktail Romana and Edward. Three years Elena, John Joaquin. Two years and a first year anniversary for Julian David, Zach and Yan. So that was a long list. Up next, Maria Cruz for the community update. Hi so my name is Maria Cruz I am a communications and outreach coordinator in the community engagement department and I'm here to share a few stories from communities. We conference North America took place this is working right? Ok We could conference North America took place in San Diego, California in October 7 to 10 about 300 people from Mexico United States and Canada took part in the conference. There was a heavy focus on GLAM libraries and there was also a facilitated conversation around movement-wide strategy. You can find out more, I forgot to put the link but there's a report coming up and this conference was possible thanks to a grant from the community resources team. Wikilev's monuments took place during September I couldn't include it in last slides but I wanted to have a summary for this metrics. There were 43 participating countries with 100 people taking part more or less they uploaded 270,000 images a little over that and international winners will be announced in November and there are more pictures that are really cute in this link. European has been doing some work around sound heritage and I think it was interesting to share here. They organized two simultaneous editor towns in London and in Norway, sorry, in Netherlands. They uploaded 202 files. These are sound files and they worked across three different projects. Wikispecies, Wikidata and 67 language version Wikipedia. It's really interesting work and there are a lot of really nice works. Follow that link to learn more about this. Wikimedia affiliates, in the past month there were five new Wikimedia affiliates recognized by the affiliates committee whose knowledge, and tremendous dictionary user group. Affiliates are independent organizations that support the international Wikimedia movement in different ways and we are now past 100 members. So applause. And upcoming collaborations with communities. CE Insights is running the test survey until October 31st. The values discussion is ongoing until November 14. So this is both for WMF staff and community members who want to join. So if you haven't joined already, a proposal phase is going on from November 7th to 20th. Annual tool lab surveys is going on until November 4th. And New Readers Target Countries conversation is ongoing until December 5th. If you have any collaborations with communities that are 50 people plus please add it to the calendar on meta. That's all. Thank you, Maria. Our community is amazing. Up next, we have Mikhail for Metrics. He will be joining us remotely. We can hear you, not see you yet. Okay, that's totally fine. I'll also turn off my camera. Okay, hi. I'm Mikhail from Discovery and this is actually my first one of these. So please bear with me as I go through this. Okay. Next slide, please. The results rate is one of the search teams KPIs and it's the proportion of searches that yield zero results. It has been steady since the initial drop when we launched the completion suggestion and right now we're experimenting with a new ranking function that could help decrease it even more. That's the URL for the report of the AB test that we did on the VM25 ranking. Next slide, please. API usage has been slowly increasing for no specific reason other people just use our API more. And then next slide. Sorry, I have a bunch of slides so I'll be going through these pretty fast. And much like the zero results rate our metric for user engagement with search has been steady for the last few months. We hope to augment this user engagement metric even more with this new metric that we're calling the PALL score. So that'll be, that's in progress right now. Next slide. On the Wikidata query query service side traffic and sparkle endpoint usage have been increasing over time which we're very pleased with, especially since the September was the first year anniversary for the public launch of the service. My awesome co-analyst Chelsea has put together a report where she looked at user agents and geographic breakdown of Wikidata query service users and that report can be found on commons. So that's the link that you see there. Next slide, please. On the interactive side for the last 30 days average map tiles served per user has slightly decreased but number of total users has stayed more or less the same. This was a snapshot before we updated the maps dashboard to show more data so if you go to discovery.wmflabs.org you'll see a much bigger picture which is that map service or maps usage has increased over time. Next slide, please. Okay, so on the wikipedia.org portal side we're seeing an increase in page views and a really interesting pattern there that we investigated but didn't end up figuring out. There's a plaza in Georgia the state that's near a building housing many government departments but it doesn't explain why everyone there would be using an Android phone and visiting the portal hundreds of times a day and so that's kind of ongoing and we're not really sure how to proceed with that. We've been in talks with ops about what to do there but it's a really interesting pattern. On the user wait, next slide, please. Okay, so on the user engagement side with the portal it's been slowly increasing which is great to see not much else to say there. Next slide, please. Okay, so we track how many clicks the different wikipedia's get from the portal. In September we started tracking the language the user selected when they went to a search results page before that we would only know the language of the visited wikipedia when they went to a specific article and then we started tracking just which language it was selected so even when they got to the search results page we would know which language they were visiting the wikipedia at hence the huge increase in clicks from search. Next. Okay, a few weeks ago we performed a statistical analysis of Ukrainian wikipedia visitors coming from the portal the report of which can be found on commons in summary putting the links to the menu languages the wikipedia is in into a hidden modal that requires a click to reveal did not have a statistically significant effect on the visits to Ukrainian wikipedia from the portal and the report is on commons and can be found on the URLs there. Next. Okay, regarding referred traffic on the desktop side we're actually getting less search engine referred traffic and more direct traffic while if you look at the next slide the opposite seems to be holding for mobile web traffic next slide please there we go yeah so the opposite seems to be holding where we're seeing more search engine traffic as opposed to direct traffic and that is it for me. Thank you all. Thank you Mikhail. Up next we're having the global reach update my team's update Adele and Dan. Okay I'm not up here because Jorge put us in the agenda okay it's not a team thing it's a legitimate update so for those who don't know me I'm Adele Verana and I lead the global reach team and for starters I want to know who remembers this who was here during the 2015 all hands please raise your hand okay I see some familiar faces and and I know like it's gonna make sense um yeah wait so for those who are not here during that all hands we had to leave our venue and go out to the street and approach random people and ask them do you know what Wikipedia is and if they knew we would have to go and ask them do you know they can you can edit it so we went there and who during that exercise talked to someone and at least one person that you interviewed said they didn't know Wikipedia raise your hand okay we have yeah we have a sizable group here so for you you probably have felt the pain of oh my gosh they don't know us they don't know Wikipedia and and that that information really weird us out right and our team has been living in that word and and listening that every time we are doing our work and we're traveling and living in emerging markets or global south whatever we're gonna call it here but we have been hearing that a lot for the longest time and and we had this strong assumption that awareness was a huge issue for us and until now it was an assumption now I'm here to tell you this is not an assumption it's a claim and I'm here to tell you that lack of Wikipedia awareness is the factor that is keeping us away from realizing our mission and vision and I know where you're going and you're telling me yeah it's a big claim to make so show me the data and yeah I'm here to show you the data at least part of the data because there's a lot more but today we're gonna be really focusing on awareness and the data is coming from five countries the first three batch was Mexico and Nigeria and India we have talked to a lot of people there to the surveys right you see the numbers big numbers a lot of languages and we're gonna go into details for the surveys and you have seen maybe some of the data coming from the surveys as part of the new readers communications that we recently did what you haven't seen or known is that we have actually run surveys in Egypt and Brazil so in total we have talked we have heard from people in five key geographies of this regions and now why should we really care about awareness why we're like delis up there jumping and making a big case for this this really impacts all of us especially now that we are going to be having discussions about who we want to be and what the direction is and we cannot make that decision and really decide who we want to be in the future if we are not fully informed of what is keeping us away from realizing our mission so this is why it is important for all of us and because this is not the task of only one team no one team can tackle awareness by itself this needs to be a systemic approach and something that we do together so moving on on this we needed knowing where the challenge lies is really is really about to have the big picture and we got a lot of good information about the big picture and then foie is going to come up here and tell you an important part of that big picture great thank you deli okay so I think we would have seen a lot in our travels where people didn't know about Wikipedia but it was just anecdotal we really didn't understand how extensive this was so our effort here was to quantify the issue and so how we do this is we use phone surveys and the phone surveys are a way to reach a huge part of the general population and to be really inclusive to include everybody and that means that they don't even have to have a smartphone they don't even have to be Wikipedia users so we're reaching out to everybody now to do this we partnered with a company called Vodomobile and they're a phone survey company based in Ghana they have a lot of expertise and they've worked with a lot of organizations like the World Bank and the UN now we made a lot of effort to make sure that the questions and the methodology would be as unbiased as possible everything was randomly selected we used the languages that were used in the country we made sure that the distribution of the calls was across the entire geography and we made sure to use enough sampling where we have a representation of the country as a whole so Wikipedia awareness is what I want to focus on this is just a part of the survey but this is what we'll talk about in our speech here so the first thing we're doing is looking here at how what the reported internet use was and you see it's actually rather high I mean Mexico 80% even some of the lower countries are around two thirds so there is people say they're using the internet now when they say what they're using it for it's mainly around social media but secondly pretty close is looking up information and really that's where our area is and so here we have the people who we ask have you heard of Wikipedia and of internet users this is the results we got almost 80% of Egyptian internet users haven't heard of Wikipedia in Mexico the best one we got almost half of Mexican internet users haven't heard of Wikipedia so these are really surprising numbers to us and this we drilled down a little bit further in the data and we looked at just a subset of internet users who said they mostly use the internet for looking up information but this was their lack of awareness of Wikipedia here still quite high so some of these people may have inadvertently come across Wikipedia through a Google search but they didn't know what it was and they can't identify it and so it's still a problem whether they've hit our side or not they don't have no idea we exist so for Brazil just an example focus on one country so we see here internet usage is almost 80% of the media awareness and we have a really big gap this is about 45% of the population of Brazil that gap represents that's 90 million people in Brazil alone that could be using us or know about us don't and this is a big missed opportunity Stella? so as you saw right we saw where the drop is and that's what I was really comfortable to make the claim that awareness is the big issue and again why this matters because if awareness is getting in the way of us realizing our vision and mission we really we really need to be putting our minds together to think about how we're going to tackle this and one of the areas that it really really really speaks highly of for us is the growth we know we want to grow in this region and how we're going to be able to grow if people don't know us don't know our values, our mission everything we embody and if people don't know us it hurts our growth of readers how we're going to people come to our sides and read our content it hurts our building emerging communities and building our pool of new editors because if they don't know us we're going to edit our content and add their perspective to our sides and also hurts us because people are not going to be able to support us through their donations so in all the main levels readership, editorship and support to donations all is affected by this that is the first step and today we talked about awareness because to us it is the crucial the key point but there's a lot more that the surveys have done we talked to over 11,000 people and in five key countries and we have each survey has about 20 questions so there's a lot more to unpack and I would like to invite you to come to the presentation that we're going to do giving more detail information and we're going to cover internet usage Wikipedia usage demographic and app and smartphone usage we're not going to be able to cover all of that here today but there's a lot of data and there's data that relevant to a lot of teams that are sitting here today and also stay tuned because communication is doing the awareness awareness workshop this quarter so I would like to also invite you to attend that so here I was saving this for the end and I don't want to this is not to be cheesy but this is really what our team always keep referring to I know you have seen this multiple times before it's all over our websites materials but this is right that keeps moving us forward and that's why we should care this is we are committed to including everyone to bringing people to our projects to make sure that they are freely sharing in the sum of knowledge that our amazing community produces and we should be trying to do that together so let's do that together thank you everyone thank you Deli now for the product update John Katz thanks hi everyone I'm John Katz I'm the product lead for the reading team here at the foundation and Deli and Dan just talked a lot about readers people who don't yet use Wikipedia but I actually want to share some information that we've been learning about people who do use Wikipedia specifically we looked at why people come to Wikipedia what are they trying to accomplish what are their goals that sort of thing and we also looked at what are the factors that influence how long somebody spends on the site how many tabs they open how many links they click and that sort of thing this is really really important because we should be building products that solve the problems our users are looking to solve and accomplishes what they're trying to accomplish so as a starting point we need to know what it is they're trying to accomplish this work was done as a collaboration between the reading web team and the research team so major thanks to the research team for all the work they did on this and at this point it's probably fair to say that this is actually a very small preview or snippet of a lot of work and a lot of results that we're going to be sharing with you I think Leila said that the next research showcase is going to go into a lot of this in much more depth so think of this as maybe a teaser or a conversation starter very briefly put I'm really skipping over all the method here we used quick surveys and google forms to ask readers questions about why they're using Wikipedia then we measured things about the user and their session and then we analyzed the data we started very simply we just said hey what are you doing here and the results are amazing this is just like a bunch that I pulled from the first page of results but there are tens of thousands of results and we did it in a couple of different languages my favorite it's really a good one but the answers did fit into two dimensions that we really care a lot about and the first of these is motivation what brought you here today what external event was it is it a work assignment a school assignment a conversation you had with a friend that sort of thing and how deep do you want to go with us are we looking for a quick fact or an overview of a topic or do you really want to dig in and learn about all about a particular thing or things so we had those questions we had those answers along those dimensions and then we also measured a bunch of things about both the user and their behavior on Wikipedia and we looked at all this information we looked for patterns and here are basically four highlighted results to my partner last night and she said that they all seem very obvious I promise you they are not if we did a multiple choice beforehand we would have a lot of arguments about what the answers would be so here it goes the first is that being interested in looking in depth on Wikipedia is actually about 25% more like 20% when you correct for bias of the folks who come to Wikipedia the rest is about evenly split between people who are looking for an overview of a topic or a fact about that topic and the different colored columns represent whether you're on desktop or mobile and you'll see there actually isn't that much difference between desktop and mobile which I in particular found surprising and the number one motivator the number one reason for coming to Wikipedia is you saw something in the media or you're interested in when the next when a movie is coming out or an act or something like that so it's something in the media followed by work and school and learning which is like I'm just curious or interested in this followed by board random yellow followed by conversation which is the Barbette hypothesis and these are the proportions so it's about 23% is the leading the leading motivator this is actually very different when you look by platform though if you're on mobile so mobile is the dark it's not really motivated by something in the media whereas if you're on desktop the number one reason to come to Wikipedia is for work or school so these do vary quite a bit by platform the last thing I'll share is just that desktop has much longer sessions this is the time spent per session in minutes and you'll see that desktop is about 8 more than 8 almost 9 and mobile is just over 2 so it's it's pretty significant et cetera so how do we use this information what do we do with it and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this kind of information or guesses we make about this kind of information inform literally every decision we make whether it's a design decision or a product strategy decision and I'll give you a few examples of how this happens so we just talked about how a lot of users just want an overview of a topic so mobile users don't open that many pages so we have a hypothesis that the reason they don't open as many pages is the cost of switching pages is higher on mobile there's a cost, there's more time spent and on a little screen it's hard to change context so we built something like link preview which is currently on Android where a user clicks on a link and instead of going to another page we open up a preview of that page with an overview of the topic so they can surf freely without switching context and we see a 20% increase in links clicked per page from this another example is now we know a lot of users actually come to Wikipedia because they're bored, they actually don't have something in mind so rather than putting the burden on them to ask a specific question we might suggest things for them to read so this is the feed as seen on Android but it's also on iOS and we suggest things for the reader based on current events their previous behavior and they remain page topics and already it's a significant portion of time spent on Android and page views and that's probably true of iOS too, I haven't looked at the numbers another example of the same phenomenon is related pages when we're actually rolling this out on mobile web we're currently in the midst of rolling it out onto all the different Wikis but when you reach the bottom of a page on Wikipedia and you're still looking for something to suggest things that are related to that topic and we're still doing work on trying to get these to be more and more relevant and in beta the click through rate was about 20% for the people who saw that so a lot of engagement there I think as we're rolling it out we're seeing that on smaller Wikis it's very high but on the larger Wikis it's less so so really where we take this is there's a much larger presentation here of papers pending and there's all sorts of background and caveats and all sorts of explanations of how we got to where we got but I'm curious to hear from you how you think we should be looking at this what we think we should look at next and how we should be using data like this moving forward so thanks thank you John I think we're all expecting in the next month a poster or something of Wikipedia because YOLO so it's time for the Q&A whoever wants to talk to whoever presented today can go to the mic over there this mic and James Forster is taking questions on IRC so should you I can give you this mic it's closer okay good I think it's not on Robert hello again okay we finally have a mic I was curious if you had a hypothesis that would square the figures for time spent with the self reports that you were interested in depth which is to say the mobile people said they were interested in depth that spent a lot less time on the wiki yeah we actually haven't broken it down in terms of time spent by motivation, by platform yet you can look at all these and kind of break it down in any number of ways and so as one next step I would like to break it down and see what's happening there it might be that the people who are just looking for overviews spend less time on mobile and spend as much time as on desktop again these are actually oh maybe Layla has an answer too Layla, Ellery and a number of outside folks that they work with did a lot of the work here I just want to add that we looked at time spent in the session and then that was one of the features that we included we tried to basically build some prediction models to see if we can predict the motivation or the depth of knowledge that the user is seeking in that session and length of session was one of the features that we considered and that did not end up being an important factor for predicting whether that session is what the motivation for that session is or for what the depth of knowledge that the user was seeking for that session was now there are different reasons for why this may have happened and we can talk about it in more details in the research showcase let's go first James question I'll actually ask John a question first just because he was standing before even though he just looked like he sat down just to hear a question from Trey which was I may not be around for the Q&A if it doesn't come up can someone ask whether the survey respondents were asked if they knew of other big internet properties like oh is that for the other one that would make sense more so never mind I will ask that for global reach sorry John were respondents asked whether they knew of other big internet properties like Google being Facebook and Twitter as a baseline to compare against yes we asked them not about Google specifically but we asked them if they knew so first we were trying to get an understanding if they were confused about what the internet was so we asked them do you use the internet and then sometimes they would say no and then we would ask them do you use Facebook or do you use WhatsApp and then they would say yes and that's how we know that they don't they confuse use the internet and this major properties and we are planning to do one or maybe more surveys in the supporters that are to come and the next survey we would like to ask specifically about Google because that's the biggest property that we haven't asked for I have a question for you also did you control in your survey for the level of education people have so one thing that I'm thinking is that one of our biggest projects is Wikipedia and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not necessarily everybody would want to interact with an encyclopedia in the societies that we live in today and I wonder how much of that is different when you look across different education so we haven't in the demographics we haven't done that we haven't asked them for like literacy or they were in school we have just like random called people and then but we do have some demographics in terms of age so maybe we can aim for some of the things coming from age and we also asked about gender and location right geographic location but we cannot really certain trace that back to levels of education yeah we did also make a point to ask them about their interest level in Wikipedia because it's true not everybody is interested in using an encyclopedia and so when we found out whether they if they had heard of it or not we did ask them how often they used it and also how much what their interest level was and as a as a follow-up when they said that they were interested but they are not using us then we asked them why so there is just much more that we were not able to cover okay this is Dario from research I want to make a comment about the reading research and then ask Mikhail question so first off I'm very excited about the results of the collaboration on reader segmentation wondering for the fact that this is not an internal collaboration between the reading team and the research team we also have three teams at three different universities who have substantially contributed so it's a project with important collaborations behind it and yes come on the 15th of November to the showcase if you want to learn more about this question for Mikhail if you're still around the as you know I'm very interested in referred traffic from search engines and one question I have for you is whether the decrease that we see in inbound traffic from search engines but just in absolute terms and in relative terms is actually slower or faster than the overall decline in traffic from desktop Mikhail and if you're not around I'll follow up with you later okay so Mikhail is not on the handout anymore James you had a couple of questions yeah I have another question for global reach and I think this was in the context of there being that big gap between people on the internet who don't know about Wikipedia which is what primary sources of information folks in those areas are using on the internet if it's not Wikipedia what sources are they using we know that so we we have learned more details on that when actually we have then gone to Mexico Nigeria and India and talk to people because through the surveys we're not using Wikipedia to get information what are you using so we don't have that information coming from the surveys and right now do you remember anything to that extent that it's coming from the surveys I don't think we have anything to that detail we asked them about what they use the internet for but aside from that we didn't go into more depth than that question for general internet use James are there any other questions on IRC people that are joining us remotely are there any questions alright seems that it's time for some wiki love wiki love yay I don't see excitement so wiki love is the time of the metrics meeting where we just take the microphone and just give thank you for something we're grateful so is anybody grateful about something okay Kim I am especially thankful for Mel and Srishti who together being relatively newcomers put together a promotion of the wiki media developer summit that brought more travel sponsorship requests this year than in the three previous years combined thank you yay quick wiki love for Lamayli Hugit it is her last couple of days here she came to cover her Janet while she was gone and she's really made this place run well and so thank you thank you quick wiki love for me too to everybody who helped get the structured data on commons proposal together starting with Alec Stinson who miraculously almost inadvertently got a funder at wiki mania interested in this project and has been super helpful in pulling it together in a really kind of a fast timeline thanks to Joseph Seddon to Wes to Toby especially Toby because it really wasn't even Toby's team and he pitched in and was hugely helpful to finance and everybody else who pitched in who am I forgetting sure there's somebody that's not coming to mind right right away but lots of people work on this really fast and I'm really hopeful about our prospects of being able to kind of accelerate this project so thanks to everyone who helped us do this in a really quick time frame one via IRC shout out to the wiki media labs team for their mostly thankless work for keeping that critical infrastructure online and usable and this is from Aaron sorry I should have said I wouldn't be able to do my experiments without you thank you and I plus one that the editing team just had a really good offsite in Seattle last week it was fantastic so thank you to all the people and a lot of thankless time organizing it I think Lindsay and Frankenfield did a huge amount of work Joel Alfrecht and Max Binder from TPG excellent work facilitating all the discussions much more productive I know the travel team did a huge I'm sure there are other people I wanted to say thank you to everyone that's organizing and running the values conversations I participated in one I thought it was a very interesting and motivating conversation I want to give some wiki love to all of the IT team that's making this happening I think that I should have a counter of how many times I emailed tech support a month and I think that this email this month I just went nuts so I really appreciate all of the work that you do so thank you guys I don't know if there's any more wiki love remotely here IRC but if not and before we had the lunch just a quick reminder of an event happening tonight 6pm the first free open shared event hosted by the legal team Mike Masnek longtime technology blogger and supporter of free knowledge is going to be here talking about copyright reform so for all of you who are interested tonight 6pm same space and let's head to lunch thank you everyone