 And hello, good evening everybody. I'm gonna call this meeting the order We have a quorum only missing one person and at this point I'll entertain any additions or modifications to the agenda I'm not hearing or any not hearing or seeing any. So with that I Motion that we adopt the agenda as is I'll have a second seconded by Shireen all in favor of adopting the agenda as is raise your hand to say aye I That passes unanimously Next agenda item is Approval of the minutes from our last meeting 525 2021 any Any modifications to the minutes or amendments? Not seeing or hearing any all in favor of adopting the minutes as is raise your hand to say aye. Oh I Oh, my apologies. Is there a second second if I second advice Stephanie all in favor raise your hand to say aye All right those not Any abstentions One abstention technically two extent abstention, so I believe that was Stephanie myself Shireen and Milo in favor and two abstentions Kevin and Susan Which brings us to welcoming our two newest members of the police commission? Just want to say your name or to the microphone for the public. My name is Kevin Garrison My name is Susie Cumberford And thank you guys for stepping up and joining us in this and Hope it's a good three years Also me I go by Susie Suzy awesome, and that moves us to our next agenda item, which is public forum which With that I'll give it to you Shannon not seeing or hearing any Which moves us to agenda item 4.01 with his the chief's report and with that I'll give the floor to chief mirad Thank you, mr. Chair and and welcome to the new commissioners I'm really glad that you came forward to be part of this board and this commission and and and get to do this work with us I Have some materials on a power point that I can share I Will start by saying that we were very gratified this month To have the end of the COVID emergency happen huge huge thing for the state huge thing for Chittenden I sent a memorandum to the the body That stated quite frankly that Vermont weathered this pandemic better than the rest of the country Chittenden County did better than Vermont and thanks significantly to mayor Weinberger's leadership Burlington did better still and all of you that is the women and men of the Burlington Police Department Own a piece of that From our early adoption of hygienic procedures and our decision to close one North Avenue Which was difficult to the public to the establishment of the emergency operations center that ran right out of this room for the first several weeks of the Pandemic with all of the department heads in the mayor To facilitating food drives and vehicle parades Officers in this department and the men and women of it our civilian employees our dispatchers all played a really important role in How the Queen City came through this crucible? I think that they handled early fear and uncertainty With a plomb I think that they handled the need to engage and educate rather than in force They handled six feet sick people in the community They handled exposure scares here in the building and through it all I think they were a source of stability and steady performance For the city and for our neighbors, and it was it was a momentous occasion for us to finish that pandemic That said there were hundreds of thousands lost across the country and well over 250 people lost here in in our state and many of those were here in in Burlington and that Loss and the the tragedy of that can't be denied either But it was a moment that was that marked more than a year almost a year and a half of of an unprecedented kind of event and I think that the folks inside this agency did a very very good job of Navigating it on behalf of their neighbors We've had some major events over the past month. We had a Just to give some things from my most recent shift reports We've had overdoses and mental health calls and simple assaults We had an entire shift taken up with a person who? His family called saying that he was in a mental health crisis He ran out of his home in the New North End We had to bring officers out to track him using a canine to try to find him There was fear that he was going to harm himself He ended up in the water Officers engaged him in the water along with the Coast Guard along with other agencies responding and ultimately were able to locate him And bring him back safely he threatened them at various times with different kinds of implements and officers were able to use a minimum amount of Force in order to bring him into safe custody There was but that occupied an entire shift for a long period of time on on a Friday night We've had a number of other large incidents. I think that this body Gets our press releases. You know that we had a total of three gunfire incidents over the past period of time Two of those were associated with large parties at the University of Vermont And one of those was an actual shooting where a person was struck by gunfire at the corner of The intersection of Main Street and Church Street That followed an altercation Detectives did an amazing job of identifying those individuals of using the cameras that were there at both those parties and also at the At the fight on Church Street. We have not yet identified our suspects in the two Discharges at parties where no one was struck. We were able to identify a suspect in the discharge where a person was struck And working with partners were able to put enough pressure on that individual through Acquaintances through family members that that individual appeared in court and is now has been held without bail So that is a Good result for some good detective work on the part of the folks inside here I'll move to the data and to the first slide there, please There we go. So as you know last month, we introduced Priority priority plan or priority response plan and these are the incidents that are our priority incidents the 130 categories that are tracked by our Valcor and we've divided them into priority ones priority twos and priority threes I do want to point out one thing here There's a version that's floating around online that because I made a mistake has drugs as a priority one, which it is not That was simply a mistake. It's corrected here drugs is a priority three as our drugs possession and drug sale And I did I corrected that on a version that was promulgated for the public and somebody brought it up on social media So I wanted to address it again here. I show this merely to sort of situate us for what comes next with calls So here's our incident volume year to date and you can see year to date there are a Significant change and when I say year to date, I mean through June 21st yesterday significant significant decrease there in the Incidents that we see from 2017 through 2021 from June 1st to June 21 I looked at just of June and there's a reason for that. You'll see there, too There's been a decrease we went up a little bit this year in June interesting with which indicates we are getting back to normal From June 21st, excuse me June 1st through June 21st There were a total of 1462 incidents of those 108 or 7.4% were stacked according to that priority response plan that I showed you and that was the rationale for showing that that Priority response plan first so 7.4% not a huge number. I'm glad for that number It indicates that the folks in dispatch and the supervisors on the road and officers are using the priority response plan appropriately that plan says that only When we have two or fewer officers available for response Do we implement the plan and then stop responding to priority threes? So the fact that that's only happened 7.4% of the time of all the incidents suggests that they're they're using that appropriately and Currently the volume is Is still something that is we have not seen it tick up the way we have been concerned at will and that brings us to this Slide gives us a picture of that incident volume And you can see there that 2021 at the bottom is is still very off It's off compared to 2020 which obviously was we believe significantly affected by COVID But we've had this decrease in overall incident. I have said before That and can prove mathematically that a good percentage of these decreases from 2015 through 2020 Really through 2019 from 2015 through 2019 more than half of that decrease stems from a diminishment in active In proactive enforcement decisions or officer decisions officer decision to initiate incidents primarily traffic So about half of the total decreases is traffic alone. What does stacked mean? Stacked is from the previous call. It means that when a call comes in it won't be answered The default for dispatch is that every time a call comes in They send a police officer to that call so for a call to be stacked. It means that they will say yes We have this call. We have initiated an incident number we're acknowledging to the person that we will send somebody but not immediately and Sometimes it may by the time a person is available that call may not be happening any longer And there are three kinds of stacked calls. They're stacked calls that are In progress meaning that's happening now, but we're still not going to send anyone because it's a low priority call That doesn't have a safety component There are stacked calls that are in the recent past within an hour or so And then there are stacked calls that are in the past and that would include if we only have two officers available Or fewer if only one officer and a person calls and says I just got home from vacation My house the front door is crashed and I am limiting items. I've been burglarized We are not going to respond to take that burglary call until we have more than two officers available That's a past burglary if a person calls and says I have a prowler in my house downstairs right now That is an in-progress burglary that is a priority one and even if we only have one officer We're going to send somebody to that call to the to address it as best as we can. Thank you The next please This however is our priority one incidence and our priority one incidence We do not see a change and right now as you can see 2021 is buried in there at the june 1st mark And it is actually a little bit higher than 2019 and 2020 And we don't see a lot of change in these and that's that's important to note these are again We've I've talked about this a little bit before priority one incidents are about 7 to 8 percent of the total incident volume Therefore, they're not numerical They're not the highest number of incidents that we have But we have not seen a change in them and the rat the part of the reason is this Officers don't make priority one calls priority one calls Incidents that become priority one calls come from the public and the public is calling us at largely the same rates that it ever has Not not this year. It is drastically diminished and and that is still interesting to me that 2021 Is is still so far down I've said before that the people in this building feel very strongly that that's not going to last But as much as I say that I have not seen it change yet in 2021 That's not true of priority one incidents. However next please This is something I wanted to demonstrate just because of where we are what we're seeing with regard to gunfire incidents here In burlington and what we're seeing with regard to violent crime around the country. This is for new york city So this is not for burlington vermont. This is a a Chart that I made when I was an assistant commissioner in the new york city police department It ends part way through 2016 because that is when I retired from the nypd But what we see here is is a real pattern for shootings from 2003 to 2012 And a very very different pattern that began in 2013 and and precipitated excuse me and persisted In 2016 the final date. I believe for that year Was 998 shootings. So although this this graph doesn't go through that it gets to 998 Which was lower than any previous year something significant had changed in the city It had a lot to do with uh precision policing with resourcing the nypd brought aboard Well over 2000 new officers and started digging into Very specific criminal actors who were committing gun crime and doing a lot of investigations into those and digging into them At the same time as it decreased enforcement across almost every other category drastically diminished the number of stops, uh, which were street stops Which we do not really do at the bpd, but they did in new york, uh drastically reduced those drastically reduced Summons is or tickets as we call them here in burlington and also drastically reduced arrests and while they drastically reduced those kinds of enforcement encounters with Neighbors they doubled down on a neighborhood policing community policing initiative and also doubled down on a targeted or focused Enforcement initiative that really got to the heart of shootings if you can hit the next one shannon So this the data here I had I don't belong to the nypd anymore So my data had to come from other sources. Uh, this is only through mid july of those following years It doesn't show those years that were up above the 2003 to 2012 It shows 2014 and 26 through 2016 2016 being the first year that it broke below the thousand mark It shows that in 2017 through 2019 They kept that going and actually built on it with that precision policing And it shows that in 2020 as covet closures began and then particularly after george floyd was murdered It went off the rails it went off the rails with regard to shootings and it has persisted into 2021 And this only goes through may 15 of 2021, but those numbers have not Moved any differently 2021 is still much worse than 2020 which was far far worse than 2019 and really got back into the territory of of an era that we the department that department had thought was closed um if you move to the next And I bring that up because here in burlington, we are very fortunate that we have not seen an uptick like that in shootings We have certainly not seen an uptick like that in homicides But we have seen an uptick like that in gunfire incidents Now gunfire incidents are incidents in which we have probable cause that a firearm was discharged That means that we are able to recover Some kind of evidence whether it's multiple witness statements whether it is shell casings whether it is video evidence We know if firearm was discharged And I can send all this to you mr. Chair the Next in the the next part of a gunfire incident is that we have reasonable suspicion That it was done either at a person or in a reckless way So reckless would be in a crowd At a person would be either photographic evidence video evidence or witness statements saying he shot at this person The incident on main street, uh, excuse me at church in main a few nights ago Was at first it appeared to be a gunfire incident He clearly fires at another person, but he doesn't strike that person However, the round misses that person and does strike someone else down the street So that becomes a shooting where a person is struck by a bullet Um, and it is an aggravated assault or an attempted murder And then of course if it if it hits the person It's it's an actual aggravated assault not an attempted and if it If the person dies then we have a murder What we see here is a Significant uptick those color bands on the far left are the years So we saw a dozen of these kinds of incidents in 2020 which was really unprecedented And we've already seen half a dozen This year alone So we're on track at the at the halfway mark of the year just a little shorter the halfway mark and let us I'll knock on wood and and hope that we don't see any more incidents between now and july 1st Or we'll be ahead of that trend, but it's a disturbing trend and it's one that we're seeing across the country with regard to with violent crime Crime overall is down across the country in almost every municipality It's I believe overall it's down here as a result of that incredibly depressed incident volume But in other parts of the country, we are seeing significant increases in violent crime with regard to shootings and stranger assaults domestic assaults rose during the pandemic And here in burlington while we are fortunate that these have not Had that many of these haven't had direct consequences that they've been gunfire that hasn't struck people We've seen a very significant increase that is of concern next um, this is apropos of what deputy chief lebrecht will be presenting later on tonight Our use of force incident volume and and we see there a significantly decreasing trend And uh, 2021 is is significantly lower as well So the reduced volume of incident comes with a reduced volume of encounters where people Cause who where people's behavior requires the use of force on the part of the officers Um next although I think that is the end Okay, um, thank you And I will uh, I'll present this and I'll send this to all of you and As soon as this this meeting is over um I wanted to mention just a few other things and then I will be quiet We are we are in the midst of something that that one of our our city council is called an experiment An experiment with regard to public safety and we are working hard at fulfilling our end of that The public safety continuity plan that was designed here in this building Pretty much as soon as last year's racial justice resolution was passed We began looking at how we could try to meet what we knew would be Um a an eventual increase in in incident volume once the pandemic ended With fewer and fewer resources with regard to officers sworn officers And we came upon the idea of of bringing aboard community service officers unarmed unsworn officers who are Able to do certain kinds of tasks even write certain kinds of tickets But don't really have law enforcement powers beyond municipal tickets We are in the process of hiring them. We held a test for our first batch a few days ago Um, I think that you know, we had a lord. We had a significant number of people who events interest and applied Fewer than that actually showed up for the test. I'm not certain how we are on the results of that test But we will be looking through it And we are really focused on getting the six that are allotted for the first half of the fiscal year Hired in the first half of the fiscal year I'm very hopeful that we'll have at least a few of those Trained and deployed in the first half of the fiscal year too But if if the hiring takes time if if again if we go from, you know, 15 applicants to five test takers to one person passing Then the role is going to be a little bit long in so far as getting them trained It's going to be a more robust training program than we've done for the past with our cso's We do have two cso's currently on the job. They're invaluable employees. They do a lot of really great work But we are going to be training these in a slightly different way because we're expanding the the universe of calls for service to which they can respond So that's important to us We are still experiencing recruitment Well, not recruitment, but retention issues. We are losing headcount and officers Um as of april 1st when we froze our snapshot for the sake of the budget We were at 82 on the books and 79 effective Um, we're a little lower than that already. I mean as you may know lieutenant kutcher with whom some of you operated and worked has retired Wish him well great great loss to the department Um I wanted to indicate that we are opening up We're opening ride-alongs again now that the pandemic is over in the same way that we were able to hold things in this building again We are are opening those And I very much want this body to take advantage of that To take advantage of ride-alongs to take advantage of of some training that we would like to offer Nothing Some of you have gone through the citizens academy. That is a long time. It's a big time commitment But we are looking to try to create some things that aren't part of that citizens academy That are much more about operational activities That police officers do in order for all of you to be able to experience what officers Know how they're trained and and to a certain extent To the to the best of our ability. We make our training scenario based and realistic training is is best when it really does Drive the same kinds of of juices and emotions and impulses as the real world can And I'm hopeful that we can find some training like that and that you all will be willing to join us and participate in that I'd be honored if you were We sent two of our our executive supervisors a lieutenant and one of our deputy chiefs to some good internal investigation training and Then with regard to upcoming things We are working on on Significantly increasing the number of directives that we have online. We are working on Finding ways to to Do More with less one of those is going to be the upcoming july 3rd celebrations Typically on july 3rd. This agency has 68 sworn personnel in different kinds of positions Four of those are usually from our partner agencies at the university of vermont and in south burlington But they handle things that are actually outside the city the jug handle on main street and the interstate and also gutterson on spear both of which are not in burlington The burlington positions are usually about 64 sworn officers will have 30 Or probably fewer on staff that night So we will be focusing on on a variety of different locations And then trying to figure out how we also handle the the traffic impulses and the traffic flow needs of that event But That is I think I think i've probably gone enough and and that's what i've gotten in front of me If there are any questions that anyone has i'd be happy Two questions first is what is the the training of the background you're looking for for people who are not police But they're going to be those positions you're hiring for So the background check is very is really not very different from a police officer background check Simply because they're still inside this building We are governed by federal rules about who can and can't be inside this building unescorted who can and can't have access to The val core system, which is the computer aided dispatch system that is used by burlington and soon by the entire state It's a system that includes all the criminal history of Of anybody who's had criminal contact in the state that hasn't had that expunged has a record in this val core system And in order to be able to access that there's a long list of what are called sieges requirements With regard to the the background check as well. The one thing that's really different from the Officers is we don't do a physical test for the for the cso's in the same way. They do have physical requirements But there's no pt test or physical test We don't do a an mmpi or a psychological test and we don't issue a polygraph to them What are you looking for in terms of their qualifications? Sure. So their qualifications We want people who are going to be engaged with this community when we want people who understand that the mission of this department is to keep people safe Um, we we prevent and respond to crime and disorder and we do it with and for our neighbors and if people can really Show that they embrace that ethos and are uh interested in doing that kind of work Working with the public when the public calls about animal complaints working with the public when we have Non-injury crashes that don't need to be investigated But a report does need to be taken potentially working with the public when we have noise complaints and certain kinds of low-level neighbor disputes Those individuals are who we're looking for and in the past the role has been one that has led to people Joining the police department a number of people who started out as cso's have joined the police department subsequently So we're hopeful too that we can be able to find some folks there And frankly there are also instances in which people come aboard as a cso With perhaps some questions flagged in a background check that might not have allowed them to be a police officer But we're we're still enough for us to be able to allow that person to have that criminal justice information access But then two three years of exemplary performance as a cso those kinds of concerns that were previously raised can be Significantly allayed to the point where that person can become a police officer second question is what is a directive? A directive is the policies of this organization. So the bpd has a number of directives I think the total number is 50 something 55. I believe they only go up to number 43 But they're a number that have sort of second and third parts and they contain the The the directives and procedures for how we operate the very first directive is the most important because it controls It contains department rules and department rules are By that very directive More inviolable than others other parts are really guidelines They're guidelines for how officers are supposed to behave and they have different degrees of flexibility But they are the the sort of The rails in which we operate Sure So these uh community service officers Are they going to have any they're not going to have any weapons at all not even a bottle of mace or So they do carry it's not mace. We don't actually use chemical mace. We have uh organic oc spray or oleosin capiscum Oleo resin capiscum spray, which is pepper spray and they do carry pepper spray They they carry pepper spray primarily for animals, but they do sometimes have it for self-defense in the event of somebody who is is Has changed the posture. They don't however have the ability to use force to compel someone to do something That is they can only use it in defense police officers have the ability to use force to to For lawful law enforcement needs, which are spelled out in the vermont statutes and community service officers don't have that The test that they take the cso What is that the same test for other positions or is there one that's targeted? It is it's targeted. We redesigned it for this Section for this this group. We I believe we ran through it with hr We did we we sent that test to hr. Did we yeah? It contains a lot of questions about the kinds of law that cso's deal with so there are a couple of questions about animal code In the municipal code and what do you do if you encounter this kind of situation? So some of it is a matter of of eliciting from them a sense of of whether or not they are going to be people who Feel like they have to like everything has to be exactly this way Or is there some critical thinking involved in how you address a certain kind of situation? And then there's some other questions that have to do with the ability to Intake information and then give it back out because they do write reports and they have to be able to keep up with Certain amounts of paperwork. So those are part of the test. I can get the test for you and let you take a look at that Is it a is there a Passing grade for lack of a better term. I believe so but I'd have to I'd have to clarify that for you So I'll ask okay, so what I'm wondering is if folks don't get that. Is there any way? To work with them I spoke with someone recently and probably commissioner Ceguino has as well who had said I'm you know that He's willing to work with folks on these tests whether they're here for To be an officer or a cso but to help them if if that's a challenge for them For whatever reason. So I'm just wondering if the test is a challenge Is their support for folks so that we can recruit? You know, so that's not the bar for folks That they have another bite at the apple Absolutely. So great great question. That is something that we've done in the past for our police officer test And it's definitely something that we need to take into account for the cso test as well now So, yeah, okay, because I think that we as commissioners could probably recruit folks to help Uh, we'd be you know, whether it's tutoring isn't exactly the term But to work on one with folks in that regard and then my last question is how are we how Well, it's two, but it's what is the diversity of the folks who applied and took the test and then how are we Recruiting so that we get diverse applicants who represent the community I don't have the information about the actual number of about the current applicant pool for you Um, I will get that for you. Uh, and with regard to recruitment For the time being uh, that would be Uh, an hr question. I know that we've posted it. I know that we are looking to talk about it Certainly with I'm having a meeting tomorrow or I think it's tomorrow at a alv. I'll be bringing it up with them Um, I Hope to start attending npa's again now that they're live and we'll be bringing up at those It was my habit before the the pandemic to go to every npa meeting. Um, and uh, Those are places where we can sort of get this idea out as well I just gave my mind, but I asked enough. Thank you for that Any further questions? Um, awesome. Thank you very much chief for that report And uh, yeah If you wouldn't mind sending that out the slides out to the commission afterwards, that'd be much appreciated. Thank you All right then, uh, moving on to Agenda item 5.01, which is uh the data report summary. Um For our new commissioners, um Last month or two me two meetings last meeting two minutes ago last meeting Sorry, they all learn together now last meeting. Um, we had our annual report from the innovations office. Um, had a whole host of things in there and and Stephanie volunteered to summarize that report. Um On behalf of the commission Um It's What technically Innovation and technology. It's a city office. Okay, not that familiar with it I think it was it before then it changed the name to this. Uh, yeah, sorry um, so yes, so uh, Stephanie, um summarized, um the article on our behalf sent it out to uh commissioners, uh, we provided individually we provided feedback to her and she summarized it which is posted on board docs and um, I would like to Essentially make this an official report. Um, so I guess, um Is there any discussion any discussion people want to have on this part? Is that a motion? I don't think I was taking the motion yet, but I was going to kind of open up the floor I will welcome a motion at some point for sure, but I guess I was going to open the floor people Had some had any additional feedback to give about the data report summary Or if you wanted to say anything on behalf of this of the summary, um, I think that I've heard back from a few commissioners with some edits to it And just in general that this in some ways comes out of our training with nicole Who indicated that it would be important for the commission itself to comment on these reports and to issue reports periodically So this was an effort to summarize these reports which are on traffic stops um arrests and use of force And summarize the commission response to that And has the chief had an opportunity to read this? Um, no, this is for us our our our report But I but he hasn't even just to see with our draft report. He hasn't seen the draft report yet. Oh This memo or the annual report itself what you've put together as a as a risk a comment. No awesome, um I Have you had a chance to look at the the summary? Okay, awesome. Um, I guess on that note. Um, I would entertain a motion to Make this, um an official report by the police commission seconded I guess I'm again. Yeah, sorry. I'm making the motion that we accept this as an official document. Um seconded by susie um Floor is open for discussion It would be my inclination in the future to to share it with the chief ahead of time not to say that that's going to That we would change it, but I think Um, that would just be my inclination All right, um I think I think it makes sense to do that before it goes out But I do think that you know the commission itself needs to deliberate and that was the purpose of this was to For us to weigh in first right and then obviously share it with the chief before this goes public Okay. Yeah, does that make sense? It does make sense Thank you. All right then Uh, so I made a motion to accept this as a police commissioner report seconded by susie. Um, we've had discussions on it and All in favor of making this official police commissioner report, uh raise your hand or say I I I okay I'm sorry, but I'm confused. So how is how is that going to be getting the How are we taking this action but giving the chief the opportunity To provide comment before it becomes a public document? Uh, I uh think That we can send it to chief the chief can issue his own comment in response It wouldn't be part of this report, correct? So it would be a timing issue Um Before it's posted for example, the chief can write a response to it So would would we be saying then that we're approving this to be made? To be shared in two weeks with the chief having two weeks to provide comment Or what I I just want to know logistically before I vote on it So the way I'm kind of seeing this is that I it's it's our report I mean we'll we'll we'll share but hey, this is what we come up with but you know, but at the end of the day It's our report, you know, so no question, right? So I guess I guess I'm losing the question. Nothing changes If I could just I'm thinking of examples to give us some guidance and you might have seen today um, the state auditor's report on vermont carers The parties commented about it But it was the auditor's report and I see this in that way that this is our report Right, I do it is our report and I'm not saying that the that we would make any changes, but I'm trying to understand this what we just voted on with what was just said that we would be Having the chief see it before it gets made public because it doesn't sound like that's what's happening Maybe you'd like to make a proposal because Uh, yeah, sorry Right, it is right. It's part of these documents, right, right right Hi, this is uh commissioner grant. I so The way that I view it is that this is our report um in response to what was released And then the chief certainly can read it and if he has a response to this particular report, he can issue that response Right, that's fine. I just wanted to make sure that it was clear how this was how we were proceeding So I'm comfortable with that. Thank you. I'm sorry to interrupt the vote quite correct all right then, uh We'll yeah, we'll vote on that one more time then. Um Emotion Susie seconded we deliberated and so all in favor of making the that report summary unofficial police report police commissioner Report raise your hand or say I I That passes unanimously Thank you for that Moving on to agenda item 5.02, which is um our annual report timeline and generally um The commission produces a report to be delivered to City uh city council. Um, I don't think it's codified exactly when it's supposed to be but traditionally it's been around June or July um And Stephanie has volunteered her time to create a report. Uh, that'll that'll kind of summarize Things that we've done the last year. Um Complaints we've received um Uh pretty much our motions that we've kind of passed in regards to um department directives and things like that. So Once Stephanie has compiled that um, I'll I will send that out to the commissioners I ask that you Take a look at it and please give your feedback directly to Stephanie. Um, just so we comport with open meeting laws and then um next meeting hopefully, um, We'll we'll have a compiled document for it. I will be able to deliberate it here in public and then But on that to then give to city council um I guess if anyone else has anything they want to add to that Great and and the goal is that you have a model and a template going forward So it's consistent from year to year. That's great And and just to say that I at the NACL training We looked at some annual reports from other agencies And so I took some of the various categories of things that they Used in their reports and that really helped shape the categories here But if something's missing There can be mistakes, please feel don't hesitate to edit no hard feelings at all right and part of the complication this year is Taking that those ideas and having to Gather the data as opposed to now we're trying to put in place Data gathering as we go along so that we have commendations. We have that information all year long. So it's easier Okay, actually the last piece is commendations. I'm almost done with it. Um and um shannon I've been tasking her with a lot of things. I really am sorry to bother you And no rush shannon because we we have you know a few weeks to do so no rush whatsoever But that piece will be blank probably when you get it As shannon and I kind of work through the section on commendations So shereen basically what you're saying is we're in a transition We are we've learned a lot and so we have learned that There's data we should if we kept it all year it would certainly make things easier To put together an annual report Because all of you are staying up for the next six years, right? Awesome, um I guess if there's any further questions or comments that you any any of y'all have with regards to this I am not seeing or hearing any That will move us on to agenda item 5.03 which is um post-nacol training ideas and It was very very very beneficial um 10 hours spent with them training and I mean I mean I think they kind of We've always had ideas, but they kind of I guess helped out showing I guess what's actually possible with us and I mean like I think there's a whole plethora of things we can absolutely do But I always kind of start this one off. I think one of the easiest things we we can do on implement is Rotate our monthly meetings moving forward. Um, traditionally, we've always we've always held them here um, but I think it would probably be in our best interest to rotate our our our monthly meetings per ward, um Obviously it might not work out as easy as I hope but um, I but I'm starting to reach out to To the city and to see how to make this possible. Um, in addition, um, this is something that milos brought up many times before but um We can be better at outreach and I and A lot I gotta say a lot of the ideas that nicole throughout were ideas that milo has brought up before and I would like milo. I'd like to reach out to you and maybe kind of See if we can see what kind of outreach things we can do moving forward if you'd be open to that and I guess I'll be happy to hear any any ideas Moving forward, uh, that would prevent my nicole that you think we should do And uh, Stephanie for us yours So with regard to rotating monthly meetings when I was on the school board We tried to do this as well and it can be a hassle But maybe what we could do is a meeting in the north end And the south end or in two parts of the city Um, kevin had mentioned the miller center. So some kind of public building uh So maybe we could do something like that then rather than trying to get to each of the wards because if you need space for executive session That can be hard. All right, and we have spoken with contoy with amy bovey about that could be our home base, uh If we can get it scheduled we are in we are working with her on that so Because one of the things from nicole is that it would be better if we're not meeting here within the department You also had like the king's view center I mean the what's that the king's view center? Oh, yeah, right It's a great idea and maybe the boys and girls club Jabu, do you want Us to look into the miller center for july? What would you like? Um, I I think that's a good idea I'm writing down miller center king's view center. Um Because yeah, because the miller center has to new north end, correct? Yes. Yeah That's like I can look into that if you want downtown king's view center would be I guess downtown. Yeah, that would be south That downtown consider pretty much that's kind of borderline south end The only place in the outer south end, which is where I live is the champlain elementary. That's the only place really Accessible Yes, they have a ramp. Okay. I'm used to going to basketball games where it's the challenge. It's the front door Yeah, all right, okay I uh, I had some other thoughts around I mean, there were a number of ideas raised around communication. This report is an example of that But there, you know, I think it's possible for us to go to npa meetings to ask if you know mpa leaders would like us to meet there Um, but maybe it would be hula us to For the chair to designate a person on the commission to be sort of the person who is Gathering those ideas and helping implement them with we're on with regard to communication. Okay Uh, yeah, I'm I'm happy to take that on Chief one of the things that they talked about Was when going to these meetings that it's My takeaway maybe and correct me if you all didn't hit get this message But that it would be the commission in tandem with someone from the department And that's a good way to Have and you know the commission Understanding coming together with the department with officers. So I don't know if it's generally you or sometimes you're assigning officers Well, I was as I said going to most npa meetings, but I had also implemented a system whereby That was when I was the deputy chief when I became chief I set up a system where we were going to be going to where we're going to be sending area lieutenants to those npa meetings instead But that lasted for basically from the time I was first acting chief in in late december and early january of 2019 and 2020 Until march 10th when everything closed So it didn't go very long But the idea was to have the area lieutenants attend the npa meetings in their respective areas In fact, I think I attended one in ward six. I thought it was great to have the area lieutenants there. So that would be great There was a discussion at the nacle training That in denver for example, they meet in different districts and they will give an update on what's going on in that district Yes, so maybe something to kind of personalize it to what's going on in the neighborhoods Yeah, they were there to be as as I was when I went I was generally not a speaker unless I had been previous unless I'd been Prearranged to have an invite by the npa itself. Otherwise I was merely there to Eat whatever food they were having on that given night and be available to answer questions if they came Sort of organically from the audience or not And that was the same for the area lieutenants. The area lieutenants had the same sort of instruction Seems like a great opportunity for relationship building. Yeah Uh, yeah, I would force to open for any commissioners with any further for their kind of ideas and I guess this is Obviously when this when this um agenda didn't end Any ideas you kind of have moving forward? Obviously, please let us know and keep it going on I just kind of wanted to reserve this space to kind of see if anything Jumped out while the trains were still fresh in our minds Hi, this is commissioner grant. I Really I've wanted for some time and I really would like to see us going forward Being represented at each and every npa meeting We should really have a segment even if it's just a short segment to remind people What the commission is talking about how to access information um I just think that that is A first and really simple step that we can do um to start to to I don't want to say uh Reestablish but but help to clear up a lot of misconceptions about the police commission, right? We keep talking about all these misconceptions But we are not doing as much as we could be doing outside of these outside of these particular meetings And I really think approaching the npas and saying, you know, we'd like to have like 10 minutes per meeting For you know, police commission updates. I think that would be really important, especially as we Start to move the meetings And to really make sure that people know That they'll be In different locations within the communities Um I've always been concerned about the meeting space and I I think when they mentioned that during the trainee that that really resonated with me So I just wanted to throw that um out there. Thank you Uh, thank you. Milo. Um, I would be happy to work on like a little blurb Um With you so that we could like disseminate to the next to like the upcoming npa meetings if you'd like that Yes, and I I have no problem attending them I can um Attend them. I just have to you know, if we're okay, but I I don't want to just unilaterally make a decision Okay, I'm going to go out there and represent the police commission. I just want to know that we're All on board with with the idea and then um Could do a summary and say this is what will be presented with to the npas. Does everybody agree? um And then kind of move forward and just start engaging more Um with those those meetings. Thank you All right, so how about then I think we we should still get together then um Probably work out like a little template for like the blurb that uh would give out at these npa meetings come up with a draft with that and then um We can present that to the commission next meeting and vote on that and then kind of go forward from there Does that make sense? Sure, but um, I think we could start talking to npas now Oh, no, I mean absolutely, but I think just more like more like kind of like the codify Uh, like you were saying, you know, like what's going on here how to access this kind of xyz. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, and then an update on the um consultants Where to find um the information because you know these websites have been created Where people can go and look at the progress and the information that has um Uh been completed because a lot of people don't realize that they have access to some of that information And just you know disseminating that information out reminding people. Hey, we're trying to make this as transparent A process is possible and here's when you can get the information um And maybe just also reminding people important Meetings that they can they can listen to and and and what information is covered on the meetings, you know And where they can access the meetings as well Okay, I like that. Uh, thank you So I want to ask a naive question. We have a lot of new american Communities here and I'm wondering if they go to mpa meetings because I don't know And my second question is are we going to get materials translated for them if we're going to do this So the whole community can take part in that? um I think between most of us I think we have a fair amount of resources to get those stuffs translated and yeah, that's a great idea And I don't think it'd be that difficult to do that I do think that I think it would um There is definitely not as much attendance By new americans at the mpa's that is true um I think in general the mpa's is is a kind of good place to start though In terms of just Doing community engagement community engagement um Is uh as the chairman said it's been like one of my number one concerns because quite frankly It has not happened to the degree That it should and we just have to be starting to do something um I think it would be great to work with um The r i re i v department Um, and I think that's a good point about translating materials I know that uh when they were working with to leave the consultants they were really mindful To assist with getting translators to be on the uh community engagement town halls and things like that So, uh, I think it'd be worth it to approach them for that assistance I think I think v r r p and also a alv would be good ways to to start Because all of their um their case workers, uh, I think we should talk to them to begin with and they can disseminate some of that information Throughout the community, but if we're looking at the whole community I think we should start with all the way across the board. Everybody has an opportunity to get information going forward I love the idea. I agree. I would like to um You know in my mind npa is is one of the easiest to start, you know, like I kind of feel like we should have been more involved with that all along But I would say, you know, certainly not exclusively, you know, what is the list like let's Using this information that we got from these trainings Knowing that this is something that's important and should definitely be done Let's just, you know start and certainly Get a list together and look for also more community input in terms of where To put information. Um, I know when I went to one of the town halls I know one of our big concerns is a commission as just as an example uh in terms of getting information about complaints and um starting to um Understand like like how they're investigated about you know, we were concentrated on that whole thing Whereas the town hall brought up all of these issues about How different people can actually submit a complaint and there were all these issues brought up with the online process it is not as easy as we Think when we think about all the members of of our community. So um, You know those ideas once we get that that final report, I'm sure we'll be running with more engagement ideas That the community has bought forth through The consultant when they're with finished with that But yeah, there's just there's a lot of ideas out there and it's just like let's start to pick the low hanging fruit and maybe we Maybe we start to keep a list and maybe we say, okay. Here's our list And here's the progress we're making. Um Just an idea so that we're we're keeping track of our ideas and keeping track of when we're making Uh particular impacts. Thank you Thank you. I had one more thing the other group. I think we should pay a lot of attention to as a disability community And sorry, no, I just was going to um, I can provide a resource the city did recently send out an email about language services and and that kind of thing so I can give you I don't know exactly who the point person is but I can find that person and give that information to you Then maybe they can certainly translate any documents or anything that You put together that you wanted. Well, thank you for that. Thank you. Good to know So on the nacoal issue a couple of follow-up things Stephanie and I talked about onboarding materials Um, I am happy to work with Stephanie on that and hopefully we could have it by next month So that you too would have the benefit of it Before too long. Um, Stephanie, are you okay with me volunteering you to work with me? Yeah, okay We'll do that. And then um, I was just looking at my notes from the training roll call attendance was something that came up chief I don't know if that's something along with ride-alongs that we could talk absolutely. Okay Uh, and then just for the public one of the things that came out of nacoal was trying to get resources for a staff member to Because shannon's got a whole nother job. She has to do other than just all of our Working with us and so it would be getting a staff member whose job it is to work with the police commission So that's in the works that's something we're talking about Awesome, of course to open. Yep. So I did take a lot of notes during this meeting And I have a whole list of ideas and let me preface it by saying that I think it would be useful for us to Think of some of these ideas and map out Kind of sequentially When we would like to do them So that they actually get done So we might think about what are the priorities that we would like to pursue in the next few months And what things could wait and so forth. So here's a few things one is There was a discussion about trauma informed policing and brian brian core who was Past president of nacoal who was on the Training call is somebody who said he would be willing to do that with us So that's one kind of training. They also mentioned samsa On mental health and that might be an interesting training for us And I think that you know, but it's beneficial to have it if we can if it's a half hour thing during our public meetings because Really benefits the public to be Educated about these things as well We've talked about refining the complaint process And getting some input from nacoal on how to do that There I think we should continue talking to nacoal They had talked about other types of training that would be beneficial And I think it would be great to find out what those are United Way does crisis intervention training So that might be something They also recommended that we learn more about how the burlington police are trained in a variety of areas Like de-escalation Not uh, let's see For example, but maybe some other areas So we as a commission could learn some what some of the training is that the burlington pd gets for example And we could maybe talk about what would be useful for us to have a deeper understanding of They suggested that i'm just going on and on but just to give it to you They suggested that we develop a list of resources to share with complainants So we have now reaching out to complainants to acknowledge their complaint And can refer them to resources um For counseling for first call adult crisis and other Possibilities for example, so I think that's something that we would want to have Prepared of those things Let's see there was a I guess a review of the accessibility of the complaint process And perhaps these discussions with the community would help Those are most of the things on my list and I did want to refer to a comment that a A member of the public made at our last meeting and i'm going to try to find it here And and put this out there is something for us to think about it was by mary cox You may remember at the beginning of the meeting She spoke regarding her her own son and family's experiences with response regard to the bpd and their response to mental health prices And she asked the for a subcommittee to be formed to Look at what further training would be useful to be pd officers with mental health Within a mental health context to examine what infrastructure including mental health workers would be useful And so that is an idea. I think Given that the community member made that proposal. It's at least something we should consider. Maybe it's not appropriate for us Maybe, you know, it's a different configuration But it would be I think there has been a lot of interest in mental health and alternatives to mental health. So that's my list Larsers, I would say it's very very important Not just in this community, but nationally This has been a big challenge No one can know everything Especially in high intensity situations So I think I think it would behoove us to go in that direction and Mental health challenges have arisen much more In intensity during the pandemic and people are coming out of that. So I think that's really important There's something else I wanted to say I forgot If I might just maybe ask the chief a question about this because I mean her recommendation is that this be You know a discussion with the bpd and in terms of training around mental health and just want to flag that cna's staffing Report is also going to include alternatives to traditional policing. So just want to get your thoughts on Mary cox's proposal whether you think it's a useful idea Is that something that you think we might jointly do just want to hear your thoughts I think that mary is a tremendous ally for this department She participated in a program that we put together last year called actually i'm sorry in 2019 in 2019 called vision 2020 Which was designed to solicit internal and external ideas about how to revitalize the police department in a way that made Those revitalizations organic because they were the suggestions of people who were Real stakeholders and that included community members with whom we worked often Or who had had engagements or interactions with the police as well as officers inside and most of the recommendations from that were We're not able to be implemented simply because of the pandemic and the budget issues that came with the pandemic long before The budget issues associated with the the the idea to diminish the department through attrition so those Many of those things are still there mary was part of a team and and was uh, it was a very Good advocate for that a lot of of work with the the community. I'm for some of those things I think that there are limits to what it's actually going to accomplish. I think there are I think there is an underestimation of the degree to which the calls for service to which we respond Are calls that other people will not respond to They are calls that involve safety and danger and you're not going to have you're not going to have social workers Traipsing through the letty park woods in the middle of the night after an armed person trying to find that individual In order to bring him into safe custody and then following that person into the water and you're not going to have and then when when mental health behavior Rises to criminality when it is when there's a component of it that is mental health base But it nevertheless has a criminal component as well whether that is A significant property destruction that has an element of danger for others Or whether it is physical danger for others such as assaults etc Those two are not situations that are going to be all that Amenable to a non law enforcement intervention To the extent that we have situations that do not require law enforcement intervention We are 100 behind that and one of our great frustrations inside is that in many instances when we request for assistance Because we recognize that the law enforcement intervention is not what's necessary once we're on scene We do not get any assistance Whether it's because of timing and the fact that those services are not 24 7 whether it is because those services are otherwise engaged We are often placed in situations where we are essentially Either going to leave that situation unaddressed which is not often acceptable or we are going to be forced to be there in a completely Sort of status maintenance Situation where we are not taking any action, but we're there for hours waiting for these other agencies Or the other agencies say get that individual to the hospital and our method of of trying to get somebody to the hospital Is mostly effective with regard to talking etc But if there is a legal obligation to bring that person to a facility and a legal power to do so Then eventually talking may not be sufficient And those instances also were ones in which if there were healthcare abilities mental health care abilities to actually respond to those scenes and address them In the field we would be very very amenable to that to what extent is that going to Further diminish the volume of our incidents unknown, but I really it is five to eight percent of our Incidents that are either mental health issue incidents like the incident itself which catarises mental health Or that have the mental health check box and five to eight percent of them is the total And how many of those are things that irrespective of availability of other services would still require a police service response? My guess is much more than half So we're ultimately talking about But maybe 2.5 to 4 percent of incidents that could potentially be Removed from police and we would love to have those services available The question is whether or not other places are going to be able to bring those services up to capacity and be 24 hour services As the police are for now So just um in response to my question Do you think it would be useful to form this committee or are you saying that? It wouldn't be useful. No, I'm saying I think that it is useful. I'm saying that I think there are There are limits to what that is going to ultimately identify as as possibility I think I just want to say in general just I've been on the commission I think since september october and the issue of mental health and policing is so deeply discussed in the community that Even with the hiring constraints and many of the things it does seem it would be an A good time an important time to bring Members of the community with lived experience together to brainstorm ideas Even if we have constraints right now to begin to think about how we might thoughtfully address this so I I would welcome You know An initiative that did this and i'm not sure how to structure it If that would be something that you would propose to do with us jointly or how we might approach that but I would I would I think it would be great for us to Do something like this In my mind, you know, it's a partnership. I'm a social worker so I'm also a social professor. So I have a pretty deep understanding of these issues and I think the most important thing is to try to partner together on this and and be a learning community around this Right, you know, nobody owns the market on the knowledge of mental health And no one also owns the market on all the different Forces right now in our world between the political situation the economic situation the pandemic So I think it'd be really good to partner and work this to be a learning community in that seven. I remember what I was forgot before In all these the things that we're lining up I spend a lot of time looking at the website and looking at how soon Many of your terms are over and I'm sure you're signing up for a second term But in the unlikely event of a water landing and you don't It'd be really good to start looking for other people now So they could partake in some of the training and the opportunities that we're all talking about It's it'd be so much better, you know, than just a short amount of time And we all know people that might be great at this And we have time to do it but to get people involved from the very beginning like it's a run up to You know a two year or three year term and get to know the people go on some ride alongs, etc Etc so that everybody starts gets on the ground running I'd like to make a proposal that the chair identify somebody or a couple of people on the commission To take a look at the list of these things and to draft a proposal about how we might sequence Doing some of the items on this list kind of map out what the next six months would look like for example And bring it back to the commission to vote on at the next meeting Yeah, I would happy I'd be happy to to help along with that if anyone else if anyone would like to volunteer their time with that Sounds good. Would you email the list that we just discussed and open to us and we'll get together with that. Absolutely Can I ask how we're going to proceed with the Committee to work with the chief No, that's that's an excellent idea. I mean, maybe it's something we could just You perhaps could discuss with the chief and come up with some ideas. I mean probably as hard on the spot to Figure it out. Yeah, I'll be happy to that. I'll be I'll be in touch Very careful with this. I'm gonna get a lean on you right um Any further discussion on this agenda item post-nacle training ideas And like I said before like just because that's because we end this agenda I'm here doesn't mean that's the end of these post-nacle Training ideas. I kind of feel like it may not be on the agenda But something we should always be talking thinking about talking about and Stay on top. You can always refer back to them. Oh, all right. Absolutely. Absolutely awesome um, the only thing that I want to throw in is the concept of the police commission having Standalone website like I understand it would link from the city website And then, you know, one of the tabs could be the trainings so the nacle trainings and any other trainings, you know making a point to Make sure things are uh recorded Whether they're zoom or in person or a combination of both and then Just having Easier access to the information. Thank you. That's an excellent idea. Milo. Thank you. Um, okay, um any for the discussion On this agenda item Not seeing or hearing any. Um, I will close this item and Next is our use of force incident report. Um And with that, I'll give it to chief lebrek. I I all I ask is do you mind just going to the podium so you're so uh Time meeting tv cannot get it all in. Thank you Would it be better if he sat? Um, I think they're I think they're all mic'd. I believe it his is mic'd up there So thank you All right, uh, everybody had it got to see the copies. I think they were posted and sent to you as well So, uh, just yep. It was it was on board docks. Yeah, it was on board docks Uh, so the use of force report for may From may 1st to may 31st of 2021 The total number of incidents or calls for service that officers responded to from May 1st to may 31st was 2001 incidents Out of those incidents 21 of them were use of force incidents Out of those 21 incidents, there were 57 uses of force Percent of use of force incidents versus total incidents was 1 percent The race gender of arrestee or subjects in the use of force incidents was as follows Black male nine white male 11 and white female five First incident on these I've said this in the past but these go from like may 1st Through so we're starting at the beginning of the month. We're going to way through The first incident was a agency assist to colchester police department for a shooting that occurred in their town The complainant was Colchester pd and officers were dispatched to assist during their The colchester pd had put a bol which is a be on the lookout for a motor vehicle involved in a shooting in colchester Brunkton police located the vehicle And colchester pd advised our dispatch who advised the officers that they wanted that vehicle stopped for investigative purposes Brunkton police officers stopped the vehicle and conducted what we call a high-risk motor vehicle stop per training Due to the possibility of a firearm being present in the vehicle The subject was called out of the vehicle and two officers pointed their firearms at the subject until they were taken into custody in handcuffed Cole colchester pd was then notified that we had the suspect in custody They responded with what they wanted to do It was a white female age 34. She was five six hundred sixty pounds. There were two officers involved in the use of force one officer Uh firearm active pointing in verbal direction and the other officer firearm There was no injury to the subject or the officer The next incident was a disturbance with a complainant Um and officers were dispatched the caller stated that a green mountain transit bus driver was having an issue with a group of Three intoxicated subjects and then stated the three males were fighting each other officers arrived on officers Arriving officers observed two of the subject speaking to green mountain transit staff one of the male males yelled a quote Everybody can read that uh a swear word Uh stepped forward aggressively towards the bus driver The officer feared that the male was going to assault the bus driver and stepped in between them and push the subject back with Two hands and stated get back the subject complied It was a black male age 30 five foot eight hundred and sixty pounds one officer was involved He used empty hand controls which was the push and verbal direction The subject was not injured and the officer was not injured The next was a arrest for a dui Uh was a call there was a complaint and that called in and officers were dispatched to the area Officers responded to multiple 911 calls for a motor vehicle Involved in a crash an operator of one of the vehicles was arrested For suspicion of operating a motor vehicle under the influence The subject was taken into custody without incident during transport to the burlington police department The arrestee became verbally abusive towards the officer and was And was manipulating his handcuffed hands behind his back Upon arrival at the station the officer concerned about the aggressive behavior of the arrestee and the manipulation of the handcuffs had two other officers stand by while Uh two officers stand by while he removed the arrestee's handcuffs One handcuff was removed But the arrestee refused to follow the officer's verbal direction to place his uncuffed hand on his head The arrestee attempted to turn and face the officer at that juncture The officer decided to place the arrestee back into handcuffs to prevent an assault The arrestee violently resisted these efforts all three officers were needed to place the male back into handcuffs Using a wrist lock and non-compliant handcuffing was a white male age 35 Five foot seven 172 pounds. There were three officers and they all basically used a rear wrist lock trying to get the subject back into handcuffs The officer can you describe what a wrist lock is? It would be your arm back behind like this Because when the handcuffs go on it's hard because i'm not Turned around but like this the handcuffs go on there and there so that's kind of the position Very low level of force The arrestee was uninjured by the use of force but injuries He he did have injuries that were from the motor vehicle crash and iv drug use Threats and the next one was a threats and harassment call Officer generated complaint So the officer himself observed it while assisting another officer in a separate investigation The officer was approached by a male subject known to officers The subject made a gesture with his hand as a as a gun and pulling a trigger The officer knew the subject to do this whenever he observed this officer The officer attempted to pull out onto the road but traffic held him up and were pulling out of a parking lot The male ran up and struck the driver's side door and window with his hands The subject then yelled for the officer to step out of the cruiser and fight him The officer drew his cew which is also known as a taser In the event he did not have in the event. He did have to exit his vehicle, but did not point Did not point it at the subject the officer was able to pull out onto the roadway and leave the scene without further interaction with the male So black male age 26 510 180 pounds There was one officer involved in the use of force. He did display his controlled electronic weapon The officer was uninjured and the subject was uninjured The next one is an arrest operating without owner's consent which in vermont is the equivalent of sealing a car Violations of conditions to release. There was a complainant that called the pd and officers were dispatched The complainant called after their car was stolen when they ran into a store leaving the keys in the car an officer Located the motor vehicle and conducted a high-risk motor vehicle stop for training while calling out the operator And who was also the arrestee officers pointed their firearms at the arrestee as the arrestee was called from the stolen vehicle back to the officers The arrestee was taken into custody without incident The arrestee was a white female age 41 5 560 pounds. There were three officers involved All three officer two officers firearms were pointed one officer's firearm was displayed Neither the officer or the arrestee were injured in the incident The next is for an arrest felony burglary simple assault and possession of I'm sorry. Um, I have a quick question about the incident Uh, did did I hear you correctly and you said that uh, the owner of the car left their keys in it? Yes, ma'am Okay, thank you. Sorry. I shouldn't have just wanted to verify that. Yeah, they left their keys I think it was running too um The next one is an arrest for a felony burglary simple assault and possession of cocaine There was a Complaintant that called and officers were dispatched Excuse me the complaint called dispatch stating two unknown males had broken into his apartment and assaulted him punching him in the face The caller described them as two black males early 20s both wearing shorts one in a gray hoodie and the other in a black hoodie Officers responded to the area and a canine track was started and tracked to a motor vehicle park nearby with two males matching the description of the suspects As officers approached the vehicle they observed a third male running towards the vehicle Upon seeing the police approaching the car The male that was running towards the vehicle veered off into the tree line and out of sight of the officers The male passenger of the car was observed reaching into the area of the center console of the vehicle Officers feared he was reaching for a weapon during their firearms That male also did not follow commands from officers at first But officers were able to talk to him and get him to comply When he exited the officers noted that he was highly intoxicated The officers were able to safely call the two males from the vehicle place them in handcuffs without further incident The third male who ran from the officers was located underneath a parked vehicle near the first vehicle Officer could see an object in his hand, but could not make out exactly what it was Officers drew and pointed their firearms at the male and gave him verbal commands to exit from underneath the vehicle An officer was able to grasp his left arm and help the male exit from under the vehicle Where he was placed in handcuffs the object in hand was found to be a cell phone The male was identified by the complainant as the one who assaulted him There are three black males involved the first was age 20 5 8 180 pounds The second was a black male age 19 5 10 130 pounds and the third was a black male age 19 5 5 128 pounds There were four officers involved in use as a force officer one used empty hand controls and verbal commands officer two Firearm pointed and empty hand controls officer three firearm pointed and officer four firearm displayed And their taser or controlled electronic weapon was also displayed The officers were uninjured the subjects were uninjured, but the intoxicated male was transported to the medical center due to his high level intoxication The next is a robbery simple assault on a police officer There was a complainant and officer they called dispatch and officers were dispatched to the call The complainant slash employee of a convenience store called stating a teenage male was loitering the store Acting suspiciously he displayed a mallet and callers stated something bad quote something bad is going to happen A knife was observed as well the male Asked them for vape pens and staff in fear handed him a large quantity of value of 808 dollars worth The male placed them into a bag he brought into the store and left the store without paying for them While officers canvassed the area for the male a woman called dispatch reported that her son had come home with a bag full of vapes He had stolen from a convenience store the two officers responded And met two officers wanted met with a mother before making contact with the juvenile She reported that her son had left the house with a mallet Into detachable scissors and they had come home with a bag full of vapes The officers accompanied the mother up a narrow steep flight of stairs to the juvenile's bedroom For more than 10 minutes the officer and mother negotiated with the juvenile to turn over the property While officers stood back the mother recovered an amount of stolen property from a drawer And then attempted to recover one last item from the juvenile's person The juvenile resisted his mother's attempts the two officers then approached one held the juvenile while the other Opened the juvenile's hand removed the property The two officers disengaged at which point the juvenile assaulted the two officers with his fists The officers placed the juvenile in handcuffs the juvenile was non-compliant and experienced a behavioral emergency Including screaming biting spitting violently struggling The outburst prevented the officers from being able to escort him from the home and ultimately continued for approximately 20 minutes A supervisor was called and arrived and attempted to de-escalate the juvenile But was unsuccessful a neighbor who mentors the juvenile arrived and attempted to calm the juvenile but was unsuccessful The burlington fire department was called and in consultation with the mother and under a physician's order Employed a medical intervention intervention to calm the juvenile and then transported him to the university of mont emergency room Their criminal case has right now been referred to the uh alternative justice for cjc So blackmail age 14 five foot tall 230 pounds There were two officers involved officer one used empty hand controls verbal commands officer two empty hand control and verbal commands Officers were uninjured subjects was was uninjured paramedic intervention and transport to the university of mont emergency emergency room The next is a felony unlawful trespass In a mental health call the complaint and there was a call and Officers to dispatch and officers were dispatched to it the complaint after waking up at 5 49 a.m. To a completely naked male standing over her as she was in bed The male had left the residence at the time of her call approximately two minutes after her call Officers located the subject nearby and took him into custody Compliantly handcuffing him without incident While investigating the incident a second officer remained with a suspect Due to his lack of clothes and the air temperature the officer attempted to get the male to sit in the back of the cruiser to stay warm The male was uncommunicative and sat down on the ground While on the ground the suspect swayed back and forth Knowing that it is harder to keep your balance even seated while handcuffed the officer placed his hands on the suspect's shoulder To prevent him from falling over and injuring himself The suspect eventually relaxed and leaned back again leaned back against the officer shins The officer was able to determine through their investigation Sorry officers were able to determine through their investigation The suspect's name and that he that he was autistic the officer spoke with a complaint explained the situation The subject was not charged and released. He was released to family members It was a white male age 16 six foot tall 150 pounds there was one officer involved in the use of force with empty hand controls That was the hands on the shoulder. The officers were injured and the subject was uninjured The next one is a felony unlawful mischief, which is a vandalism Uh, this was an officer initiated so the officer observed the crime A bpd officer in the uniformed bureau parking lot observed a male walking through the lot drop a backpack in front of her cruiser Bend down towards where the backpack dropped The officer was sitting in her vehicle the officer exited their vehicle and asked the male Is there something I can help you with the male turned towards her with an object in his hand The ops the officer immediately created distance Fearing a weapon in his hand and called for more units The officer then observed the rsd throw a large rock roughly a cantaloupe size Into multiple police cruiser windshields the officer drew her controlled electronic weapon And gave the rsd taser and gave the rsd orders to drop the rock and get on the ground The rock ended up on the ground so the officer did not deploy her controlled electronic weapon Two other officers arrived one officer drew his firearm provided lethal cover per training the other officer drew his Taser after a third command the rsd got onto his knees and was taken into custody without further incident So blackmail age 32 Five foot eight 200 pounds. There were three officers involved officer one displayed their taser and uh and warned The second officer displayed their pointed their firearm and the third officer displayed their um taser and also was warned The officers weren't injured and the rsd was uninjured The next is uh an arrest for impeding a public officer. It was a Came in as a medical call and officers were dispatched Burlington police officers were performing cpr on a mail at an address waiting for the burlington fire department to arrive The rsd was also unseen in the apartment and initially gave a false name Claimed that he lived there and falsely claimed to be the son of the medical subject The mail was disrupted while bpd officers performed cpr on the mail and continued to interfere with the fire department While they attempted to perform lifesaving measures the medical subject did not survive and was declared deceased by the burlington fire department Burlington police officers then took over the scene and began to conduct the death investigation The rsd continued to interfere with the officer's investigation and refused to answer any questions The rsd grew more combative at one point attempting to take evidence from an officer's hand And refused to eat to leave when asked multiple times to do so Officers attempted to compliantly walk the arrestee out of the residence The arrestee actively resisted dropping his weight to the ground and refused to comply with orders tucking his arms in Not placing his hands behind his back and it took five officers to place him in handcuffs and take him into custody It was a white male age 35 six feet tall 185 pounds. There were five officers involved in the use of force Um other force held the legs down on the subject officer two empty hand controls Uh officer two and three empty hand controls an honor bar takedown Officer fourth other force used Officer five empty hand controls and verbal commands neither the officer the arrestees were injured The next is a robbery There was a complaint and the call dispatch and officers were dispatched to the call Complaint and working at a convenience store called stating he was robbed at knife point by a male subject The first arriving officer observed the motor vehicle parked in the lot facing the exit The officer activated their blue lights pulled up behind the vehicle Because a weapon was reported to be involved the officer drew his firearm and waited for more for more officers Before making contact with the operator Two more officers arrived on scene they exited their cruisers and set up a high-risk motor vehicle stop The suspect vehicle drove towards the exit officers yelled for the vehicle to stop where their firearms pointed at the vehicle The vehicle stopped and a female officer was safely removed from the vehicle and detained another officer Observed a male on the street near the store and went out with him Because of the presence of a weapon in the robbery the officer gave orders To walk backwards towards him the officer good to hear the male mumbling to himself and speaking nonsensically The officer drew his firearm and pointed it at the male as he had the male move backwards towards him The second officer arrived on scene and placed the male in handcuffs The officer holds his firearm once the male was in custody. The first was a white female She was age 25 five foot tall 180 pounds The second use of course was a white male age 35 six foot two 160 pounds Three officers were involved officer one firearm pointed officer two firearm displayed officer three firearm pointed Neither the officers or the subjects were injured The next one is a felony aggravated assault Leaving the scene of an accident gross negligent operation and gross negligent operation of a motor vehicle. This was called in From to dispatch from complaints and officers were dispatched to the call Complaint and called stating his vehicle was struck by another vehicle and the operator drove off A separate officer was in a parking garage investigating a separate incident When he observed the resty who he knows through prior law enforcement encounters Driving the vehicle that was wanted for the leaving the scene of the accident What the call was for the arrestee is well known to law enforcement due to his enormous size mixed martial art training Violent incidents and mental health issues The officer stopped the arrestee in attempt to speak with him the arrestee exited his vehicle and started to approach the officer The officer ordered the arrestee to stop and asked if he had any weapons on him as he was known to carry a knife The arrestee stated he had a tool when asked what the tool was the arrestee stated It was a sharp tool the officer told him not to touch it and he complied The officer informed the male that he was under arrest for aggravated assault and leaving the scene of an accident The aggravated assault was from a separate complaint The officer ordered him to his knees and the arrestee did not comply A second officer arrived on scene and drew his taser and pointed at the arrestee After several more commands the arrestee complied and was taken into custody without further incident The male is a white male age 33. He's 6 6 320 pounds There was one officer involved that used force so the officer that pulled his taser out and pointed at the subject Either the officer or the arrestee were injured The next is a incapacitated subject and protective custody This was called in there's a complaint that called into dispatch and officers were dispatched to the ball Complaintant called seeing there was a female passed out on the sidewalk The subject is well known to bpd officers with an extensive number of law enforcement encounters And is known to be assaulted towards law enforcement officers The female was standing upon arrival the officer observed that she was incapacitated Which is a danger to herself or others the officers explained to the female that she was not under arrest But being placed in protective custody The female actively resisted being taken into protective custody The officer brought her to the ground and waited for a second officer to arrive safely To safely complete Taking her into custody The second officer had to pull the female's arm out from under her to get her into handcuffs Due to her high level intoxication. She was transported to the university room to be medically screened It's a white female age 52 Five foot two 144 pounds. There are two officers involved in the use of force Officer one used verbal direction empty hand controls on our bar takedown Officer two used other techniques which is called a hidden arm technique of pulling someone's arm out from underneath them when they're actively resisting Not allowing you to pull the arm out. The officers were uninjured and the arrestee was she was also on sorry I shouldn't be arrestee the subject was uninjured I think we're halfway through Thank you The next is a suspicious call There was a complaint called dispatch officer dispatched the call The complaint stated that there was an open door at his neighbor's house upon arrival officers went to the open door knocked announced himself as police No one responded after several attempts Other officers arrived instead of per perimeter and prepared to enter the residence to do a protective sweep The officer had his weapon out and displayed The officer observed a male moving inside the residence and held his firearm at the high ready position, which would be like this We can see And advised the male to show his hands the male complied with the officer's request and identified himself as a resident of the property The officer holstered his firearm made contact with the male who confirmed to be the resident He had been out in his backyard and did not hear officers when they were at the front yelling police It's a white male age 39. He's five seven hundred and thirty pounds One officer is involved in the use of force verbal direction and firearm displayed Neither the officer of the subject were injured The next is a felony aggravated assault. This is officer initiated Officers observed two males one pursuing the other so the officer sort of one male chasing another The pursuing male appeared to have a weapon in his hand The officer aired what he observed and there was a weapon involved The officer exited his cruiser and pursued the two males after a brief foot pursuit The officer juice firearm identified himself as a police officer and ordered them both to stop The pursuing male stopped and complied the second the second male continued to run The officer ordered the male the stop male to drop the weapon and then observed it was a large silver spatula This male had this male the one who dropped the spatula had the tip jar stolen from his place of business By the still running male and had pursued him with a spatula in his hand Hearing the broadcast on the radio a second officer was able to get in front of the still running male Due to the mention of a weapon the officer drew his firearm and pointed at the male and ordered him to stop The male complied but held his hand behind his back The officer ordered the male to show his hand the male complied revealing an empty hand the officer holstered his firearm The male began to walk aggressively toward the officer displaying pre-assault of clues He's taking off his shirt throwing it down Removing a necklace and wrapping it around his knuckles and pacing back and forth The officer then drew and displayed his taser A second officer arrived and the two officers were able to take the arrestee in the custody without further incident While at the Berlin to police department the male started to fight with two officers while they were taking him out of handcuffs The arm the officers had to place his arms back behind his back to apply the handcuffs again As it was deemed too dangerous to have him out of handcuffs The rsd the one that was back at the station was a white male age 38 6 foot 160 pounds The male with the spatula was a white male age 35 9 150 pounds There are three officers involved officer one had his firearm point Firearm pointed and used verbal commands officer two had his firearm displayed His taser displayed and used empty hand controls and officer three used empty hand controls Neither officer the rsd or this subject were injured The next is for as an arrest for a dui There was a complaint that called and officers were dispatched Complaint called after observing a motor vehicle crash into several dumpsters The caller was able to give a license plate number of vehicle descriptions street and direction of travel The caller also stated there was a female passed out in the passenger seat The officer's caught up to the vehicle after a crash the second time disabling the vehicle The first officer unseen was pointed towards the rsd by a witness The rsd attempted to pick up his passed out passenger off the ground and leave and the officer attempted to stop him The officer then struggled with the male a second officer a second responding officer arrived on scene and assisted the first officer And bringing the male to the ground to control him once on the ground The male was placed in handcuffs and taken into custody without further incident So black male age 21 six six 190 pounds There were two officers involved in the use of force empty hand controls and arm down arm bar takedown for the first male empty hand controls arm bar takedown And ground cuffing for officer number two Neither officer nor the rsd were injured The next is a felony vandalism Simple assault with bodily fluids on a police officer and violation of court orders There were numerous complaints on this one called into the pd and officers were dispatched Multi-complaints called regarding vandalism to damaged vehicles Officers located over 20 vehicles that had been damaged and a person of interest who was identified This is the same male who had damaged the windshield of the six bpd cruisers earlier in the month The rsd was located taken into custody and transported to the burlington police department When the rsd was removed from the cruise in the sallyport He lunged at an assisting officer and spat a large amount of mucus directly in her eyes the rsd shouted You got what you quote you got what you deserved you c word And quote i'll spit on her again if she touches me If you decide to place a it was decided to place a spit on the rsd The officer who had been spit on had to brace the struggling rsd up against the cruiser so the spit could be placed on him The rsd was a black male age 32 five foot eight 200 pounds There was one officer officer one other force used she placed her hand on the on the back to brace him And is armed to brace him up against the vehicle while the spit was put on the rsd was uninjured The officer was on it was injured and transported to their university vermont medical center emergency room The next is a suicidal female and a disturbance There were multiple there's a complaint called dispatch officers were sent to the call multiple complaints called about Female fighting with a male and or possibly cutting herself Upon arrival first officer could hear a female screaming behind a fence Due to the nature of the call and the possibility of a weapon the officer drew his firearm Officers made contact with the subject and observed no weapon present Officer holster's firearm without pointing it at the subject officer observed only one hand one old cut healing on the subject She refused to speak to the officer telling them to leave and refused all services that were Offered by the officer as a white female age 30 five foot 130 pounds Uh, there was one officer involved firearm displayed not pointed The officer was uninjured and the subject was uninjured The next is a domestic disturbance. Uh, there was a complain that called and officers were sent to the call Complaints complained called stating they could hear a physical domestic with a female crying and yelling quote get off me The arriving officer could hear loud screaming crying from a male and female in the apartment Officers attempted to make contact contact, but no one would come to the door The officer The officer called out for the male to open the door a male partially opened the door But would not show his hands the officer fearing the male had a weapon And with a female still yelling drew his firearm and pointed at the male telling the male to step out into the hallway There were male refused and shut the door The male abruptly opened the door and started screaming at the officer The officer holster holstered his firearm and spoke with the male which appeared to calm him down The officer was able to establish a rapport with the male and finally was allowed into the apartment Entering the apartment the officer observed a large butcher knife next to the door on a desk The officers were able to discern that no crime had been committed and that was a mental health issue There was a white male age 29 5 foot 9 172 pounds There was one officer involved in the use of force firearm pointed either the officer or the arrestee were injured Uh Two more This is an arrest uh assault on a health care worker and a mental health call. This was officer initiated Excuse me officers had brought an arrestee to the university run emergency room on a warrant for emergency medical mental health evaluation The arrestee is well known to law enforcement due to his enormous size mixed martial art training violent incidents And mental health issues the arrestee was placed in a room with a nurse and security guard standing Standing outside the officers were short distance away from the secure From the security guard Sorry from the room and and heard then and heard the sounds of a disturbance Upon entering the room they found the nurse and the security guard both had been assaulted and were slightly incapacitated All four officers known the arrestee drew their tasers One officer gave verbal commands to the arrestee to turn around and place his hands behind his back The arrestee complied two officers holstered their tasers and hand handcuffed the arrestee White male age 33 6 foot 6 320 pounds There are four officers involved In the use of force officer one had their taser pointed and gave verbal commands all the other three officers all had their tasers pointed The officers were uninjured and the arrestee was uninjured. The last is an arrest for a simple assault There was a complaint that called and officers responded We had numerous 911 calls complaint and stated he was assaulted by the arrestee who kicked him choked him And held a gun to his head the victim knew the arrestee and shared this information with officers An officer circulating the area located the arrestee hiding behind a bush nearby Two other officers arrived on scene based on the information regarding a firearm that officers drew their firearms The first officer made contact with the arrestee and had him remove his hands from his pockets and lay prone on the ground The arrestee complied one officer moved behind the bush and found the arrestee prone with his hands above his head The officer observed the male did not have a weapon in his hands and holstered her weapon The last approaching officer holstered her weapons seen the arrestee on the ground One officer remained with his firearm out to provide cover until the male could be handcuffed and searched Once the officer handcuffed the arrestee without incident no firearms located on the male Nor in the area where the male had been hiding there's a white male h5 age After all that I missed the final one Uh I think if I believe who's in his mid 20s or early 30s 5 10 170 pounds three officers are involved all three of them displayed their firearm The officer and arrestee were injured. Thank you for sitting through that. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you for that much appreciated. All right, um That closes that agenda item. Um, the next agenda item is 7.01, which is um commendations that have been received. So with that I give the floor to Shannon you might need to just get on. Yeah, perfect. Um Might I Make a comment, uh, of course from commissioner, um Comerford was a question about why is this uh verbally given and not uh, just a written report Uh, I think it was, you know, partly we had requested monthly reports And we asked for, you know, kind of a table to be filled out but the the the chiefs believed that context was important And this would give us the opportunity to ask any questions about it. So Theoretically we could just read it. It does seem really tedious. I don't know how it feels for dc lebrac But uh, I think it it does feel a little bit tedious, but maybe that's something to talk about in the future Good idea I'll have lots of questions since I'm so new so Bear with me, please Quite all right We still have questions going on Uh, all right then. So Yes, 7.01, which is uh commendations Was an email received uh from street outreach who's a partner in the community Um That responded to a mental health call at a bus station And upon street outreach's arrival the officer was building rapport with the woman and de-escalating her And she felt the need to share um, how well the officer handled that call And that street outreach said that both who responded were impressed with how He handled the very challenging situation And then the second one um, was a voicemail received from um, a mother to our domestic violence officer And um, she expressed her gratitude To him in helping, uh, her daughter in an extremely unfortunate and um, sad situation And so she she called to give thanks and that voicemail was passed on to the officer and the chiefs as well Thank you for that Shannon, do you mind if I ask it? How do you track these? Do you keep track of commendations? I do now Excellent, thank you So they'll be tracked in terms of so we can include that information and yes, that was something that um Commissioner Ceguino and I were going to work together on i'm going to go back from the year because it was Just something that was received whether it was various emails or phone calls And we just kind of read them and put them in their files um And shared them with them and and then of course Their lieutenants and deputy chiefs as well are notified but going forward. I will be keeping a list for y'all How many come in through the website the portal where with there's an ability to make commendations that way? I would Zero I don't necessarily see all of them that come through Sometimes there's one or two maybe that have So we have a number of ways of tracking commendations. So commendations are issued by Supervisors for officer conduct and they are also offered by members of the public who have been affected by police interactions Some of them come through the portal and I would say two two to three a month And those are Distributed Some of them come to sarah trebe. Some of them come directly to me. I have spoken with uh, our tech about having them Directed to the two of you the same way that our citizen complaints are and we are going to do that We just have to make sure that not everything that comes in that portal also the same portal different Different entry point, but the same portal also sends us drug tips, etc I'm probably not going to have those sent to you guys But they those are things that uh, so I'm trying to figure out how we can make certain that those The right pieces go but that is something I spoke with our our new network administrator Two days a few days ago last week late last week um We bring them in we I make certain to reach out to officers that have either gotten combinations from supervisors or from the public I talk to the officers about it. I also Ask shannon to place them in the officer's employment folder their personnel folder And then their performance file, which is held on the other side of the building in usb often gets a copy as well And then those are there to factor into They factor into Evaluations they factor in to a certain extent to disciplinary discussions and they factor in For to a certain extent for promotions as well, although we are trying certainly they factor into promotions that are Lateral type promotions or movement within say to the detective unit, but for supervisory promotions we have tried to make that process as As specific to the process itself As opposed to having these other things so it's it's a balance between Making certain that we're trying to be as fair as possible with regard to how did you perform on this process? Did you study for the test? Did you answer the interview questions? Well? and various members of this commission have been members of the promotions processes But also having these kinds of of you know commendations and and notes from the public incorporated I think they they do Unfortunately right now they they do a good job as our personnel look at other employment And they're in their personnel folders and there's our nice things to take to prospective new employers But we do keep them all and we do track them We just don't have a single database in which we've kept track of them the same way as we do as complaints, but we will Great, thank you Do you feed them back to the community with a dnd identifying them in any way? Um, I I do get I Often respond to the person who gave the commendation if that's what you mean If you mean telling the public that so-and-so got a commendation or At some way to de-identify everybody involved, but just to sort of put out to the community that it's not just complaints You're getting you're also getting affirmations. Well, so that was that is the purpose of having it read here in the police commission meeting the the fact is that I've thought about it doing doing it on social media I am forced to anonymize it in such a way both for the officer And for the the person who issued it that it almost renders it somewhat toothless But I would be really happy to hear ideas about how I've what I've missed that could make that work better And I do believe it's new that you'll be including like kind of a synopsis or a snapshot or something in the police commission's annual report So that may be while it's not inclusive of every single accommodation At least it's a little bit more than than has been done in the past for sure Thank you for that. Appreciate it um Moving on to the next agenda item. It is 8.01 which is commissioner updates and comments This is kind of a time in the meeting where if you have kind of anything Want to bring up say um share to the public. Um You have the floor so yeah I got a question This is for the chief. So i'm interested in doing some of these drive-alongs So how do I go about that? Who do I reach out to do I reach out to shannon or yourself? Shannon or me but they're they're run Sarah trebe who is the assistant to the officer in charge She's the one who keeps track of them and will tell you what you need to do to get to have one done um and actually If if I may mr. Chair there was are you There's an officer here who actually had won I think he'd intended to come to public comment But I think they got diverted by by operational stuff But had an offer about the the ride-alongs. So I don't If I may. Um, yeah, um welcome. Use the podium and I'll let us know thank you And then I think I saw mila on mute. So uh the floor is yours after that Hello commission. My name is Joseph Coro. I'm the vice president of the burlington police officers association Just wanted to pass along to all of you that if yours isn't doing ride-alongs That the executive board would like you to ride along with us If it comes on a day that I'm not working if it's works for the chief And for the officers working that day, I'll come in put on a uniform. We can do a ride-along I'm happy to come in at night work with you guys. I'd like you to see A good amount of what we do. I would recommend five to ten ride-alongs at various times of The night and day probably thursday friday saturdays would be my recommended times for you to actually see Kind of when we're most busy and what we're dealing with on a daily basis so I'm here tonight And I'm going to be around and I also just want to extend from the bpoa We'd be happy to meet with you and actually talk a little more, you know In the future I hear appreciated Mila, I see you're unmuted. Um floor is yours if you like if you'd like Yes, thank you. Um, so can we be emailed? Uh contact information For scheduling ride-alongs Um, it's definitely something that um, I would like to know is able to do one when I was on the committee to review policing policies But not able to do any uh, because I joined the commission during covid. Um, so I would definitely like to Do that. Um, I guess I want to be clear about the scheduling because when I was on the, um Committee to review policing policies I wanted to do more than one, but I wasn't allowed to So I guess who would ever be handling the scheduling as long as they know that hey, yes will allow police commissioners to do More than I think at the time it was something like oh, you could only do one like every six months or something like that Um, and even though I was on the committee, I wasn't allowed to do more So I would definitely be interested in doing more. I'm also interested in um roll calls Like what if we could be sent information on, um How we could schedule to attend those as well I was just going to say I'll send um the commission's everyone's sarah's contact information and the chief and her have Been in discussion about providing times and slots and multiple times for the commission Awesome, since we don't have email addresses from the department at this point, should I give you my other email? So I have the one that um, you have the one for email that is that's good. I do have another point too afterwards about that but um I'll just use that one for now to perfect. It'll just come separate. Um, but there is a group commission group email so you can email like police commission at Or commission at or police commission at don't quote me on that And then it goes to you know goes to everyone but until you're I don't want to put your private email on that For distribution yet. Thank you We can sit in the front of the cruiser, right? Before we get too far into these ride-alongs. Yes, I'm gonna ask too many questions. They're gonna put me in the back Um, awesome. Well, thank you for the for doing that upcoming and I'm gonna say floor still open. So floor is yours. Milo Okay, thank you. I'm sorry. I interested with the Officers association. So please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you Awesome. Um, any further commissioner comments or updates? Should we wait should I wait until you see me and I put my hand up or should I just talk if you're not looking at me? um, I'm I'm very easy going so I generally do a good job of seeing you but I'll always Yeah, if I'm like floors here for opt-in or comment feel free to jump in. I don't want to be disrespected. I understand. I appreciate that. Thank you Um, awesome a couple of clerical clerical issues. Um I received your signed that used to return to lori Yeah, and then I get susie. I have yours here. I don't know if you returned it to lori or not Okay, you did. Okay. Excellent. I didn't see a copy and so I printed one off if you hadn't done it yet Then I was just going to ask for your signature, but I guess we're good Any further commissioner updates or comments? Not hearing any Moves us on to agenda 9.01, which is next meeting agenda items. Um I have two absolutes and Some things that I might add as I get more feedback information from on absolute will be the Discussion of the annual report. Um that um that will that will That will be circulated amongst us early. Um and an mpa outreach template, um And I'm happy to Include anything if anyone has anything on the top of their heads now, but as always, please email me throughout the month as Agenda items come up to you and you think needs to be discussed and put on The um the schedule sort of the work plan that you and susie are going to work on Thank you We may have that oversight policy But I don't know that we want to add it yet Right, they revive because we're talking about revising it. We should have a draft by then So I guess you could I have to send you the exact wording, but it's Revising the oversight policy, but I don't have in mind the actual name of the policy at the moment right And then I don't know that we have to put on the agenda that the I'm boarding, but it might make me actually work with you on it, but we don't have to put it on there Just hold me to it. Okay. I'll hold you to it. I'll write it down and we can always amend it, right? Um, can we add one other item? Uh, and again, this is one that shireen knows about Alan mattson had contacted us around recruitment issues And um, although we're not recruiting officers. We are recruiting cso cs O's And so I think it would be useful to put that on the agenda Shreen it might be actually helpful to put it on the agenda The the orientation so that it setting a precedent going forward that we're going to continue to do this with new people Maybe you've always done it. I don't know, but no No, we haven't that's not a bad idea. That might be good. Um one question Are you okay with continuing this chair? We shouldn't presume that Uh, I'm I'm happy as long as you are happy, but I just didn't want to presume it's a lot of work and you do a great job I understand. Thank you. Um, if you are happy with what I'm doing, I'm happy to continue, but Yeah, and if anyone wants to serve as chair as vice chair, I Don't feel strongly that I have to be sitting in this position. So um, you're doing great I'm very impressed actually Jeb, but one more item is perhaps a an update on the discussion with the chief around a mental health subcommittee So you will be here. Yeah, I'm meeting my replacement Longer than I can remember the two years, right? Oh for three years. There are three years almost exactly It's an amazing contribution Awesome. All right. Um, I have these written down. Um So we uh, we do require executive session to this uh, this time around. Um, I was gonna say what time is it? It's 8.07. I was gonna say recess for about 10 minutes. Um, so so I can use the bathrooms things like that. Yadda yadda Um, and just so the public knows that once we exit executive session, um, our meeting will be done. There'll be no Actual items to be made. So Yeah, um With that, um, yeah Our recess for 10 minutes and we'll see we have to do more motions Okay The uh, oh, that's right See I've been doing this for two years and I still forget um procedural things Um, so with that I motion that we Enter into executive session to discuss, um Citizen complaints and discipline Any discussion? Not hearing any all in favor raise your hand or say aye. Aye Aye That passes unanimously And it is 808. I say we motion uh recess for 10 minutes. I'll see everybody back in here Or I'll see the commission in here at 8 18 But we will do it in the, uh roll call room which allows you to disassemble your stuff Very true. Okay. All right, then I will reconvene in 10 minutes in the roll call room So that'll be at 8 18 Everybody in the public out there. Thank you very much for joining in and uh, we will see you tentatively my apologies Uh, tentatively we'll see you all on our next commission meeting, which is the 27th of july Thank you. Have a great night Oh You