 Humans and the psychology involved in it now for a long time, a lot of these elite tournaments have the same players. So you've been playing amongst each other. Do you feel that at some point you know each other well, the kind of personalities you have and does that play any role in your preparation against these players? Well, you can't pinpoint anything. You get used to the players at some level. So at some point they feel familiar but I can't describe that feeling anymore. They feel slightly familiar and that's more obvious to you when you play someone completely different because then it hits you that you're not able to predict or something, you're not able to guess what they're going to do next. Players themselves keep adapting. Everyone goes back, tries to change a few things and comes. So they're also not showing the exact same face over and over. What separates the top grandmasters from the world's very elite players? The ability to take slightly better decisions at crunch moments. I think there's a hell of a lot of depth in chess and it's much harder to pinpoint this gap. As you'll see in a tournament like Gibraltar, that gap isn't that big. It's still there but you have to prove it every day. Yeah, but you said this quite interesting thing about that ability to take a decision or maybe push a little further. So do you think these things are innate in nature or because they're obviously working as hard? When somebody who's a 2700 or someone who's around a 2800, they're putting in those many hours of work. They've obviously put in that much of effort. So do you think it's an innate quality or how does this come across that the difference is actually quite... I think it's very much acquired. Once you play a few top nonomans, you'll get the hang of it. Actually it's one of the problems in chess that the depth is increased a lot. So there are a lot of good players looking for a few spots. I mean if you see the candidates, there are always names you think, I wish they'd also been there. You look at top tournaments, you think well it could have been more interesting if all these other guys had been there. And maybe that also has something to do with why Swiss tournaments are getting more popular again. Though Swiss tournaments are unpredictable, they're the only ones where you can accommodate the depth that's available in chess today. Which you're moving on to something else now with Akhil in your life and having a family. Is that something that has changed your outlook towards things or priorities in any way? No, he doesn't really conflict with my chess life. I mean it doesn't come down to him or my chess or something like that. I mean he asked me, is family or work more important? It's a meaningless question, they don't really conflict that much. But you have to find time for both. But I enjoy it a lot, it's a very special experience, I have so much fun with him and in a way he's also a kind of stress buster. And has he taken to chess at all? He likes the game which has certain pieces and he likes that he'll set up the pieces very well and so on. But so far he's not gotten very far, I mean he's learned a few of the rules but isn't lots of other things. What is your opinion and take on this whole chess in schools and chess with kids becoming do you believe that it's actually something that helps you even if you decide not to take it up as a profession? It trains certain very obvious skills, I mean just to repeat what they are. One of the first things every chess player learns is you can't take back something. So it forces you in your habit which is especially not natural to kids. As a kid no matter which game you're giving your first thing is to let me try it. Not let me learn the rules, let me think about it and let me. So it's natural impulse and I think this moderates a little bit. You learn that once I've given away a piece I don't get it back, once I do something you have to think before doing something. So to weigh your decision making. Then slowly it trains your memory because you're forced to recall, you're forced to organize games, see them, try to understand what's relevant, apply them all that. Your ability to sit and work on one problem without multitasking and so on. So at the chess board you have things like this are very useful and it turns out they're very useful for your studies as well because it's a very similar thing. Even in studies when you're learning your subject the learning process is very similar. So it also gives a lot of confidence, I mean sometimes when they played a good chess game they'll go back to their school and they'll feel more confident about dealing with that, that helps as well. So I'm a strong supporter, you know we have the NIT Mine Champions Academy in India, 17,000 schools, one and a half million students so we are implementing this project for 13 years already and it's really one of my legacies that I hope to keep building up. Do you also do anything to keep yourself? Do you see the connection between being absolutely physically fit, the stamina required now? Yes I do, I pay some attention to my fitness, I try to do something if not every day, every other day but I'm a bit hesitant to say I do it only for the chess, it seems a part of a healthy life no matter what you do. Alright, thanks a lot, we're sure.