 So hello again everybody. My name is Angelos Diamantopoulos and I am a lecturer in the Department of Economics. I do mostly my researches in microeconomics but I teach microeconomics and quantitative subjects for the department. And I'm also the admissions tutor and then program convener for the undergraduates for the undergraduate programs which basically means that I am someone who looks over the undergraduate programs to make sure that they are run well and I deal with any issues that have to do with the running of the undergraduate programs. So this will be a very short video so I, the presentation I hope will be around 20-25 minutes. In which I will discuss a few things about the department and our programs and a little bit about also the career prospects of having a degree in economics so as. In this presentation we have with us June, June 10th who is a student of BA Economics and Politics who will also share a few of her thoughts about her experience of studying at SOAS as an undergraduate student. We have Sakina who is another student of economics who will also be available for questions if you have any questions for her both of these are students, current students in the department and they are here to tell you about their experience in studying with us. So the outline of the talk is the following. I'm going to just briefly discuss our department, what is it that makes SOAS economics different from other economic department departments maybe or what are the special characteristics of the department of economics, discuss a little bit in our program so the different types of programs that we have, their structure, the qualifications and the requirements and things like this. And then again as I said a little bit about our career prospects and employability. I will have a long time at the end, I will leave a long time in the end for Q&A so feel free to ask questions while I'm doing the presentation by talking or by writing in the chat, but also keep in mind that there will be some time left over in the end for Q&A. So, in describing SOAS economics we tend to use these four adjectives which are real world, rigorous, regional and research led, which we feel is a good way to describe what are the particular features of our department. So just to explain a little bit what each of those terms mean. So by real world, we mean that differently maybe from a lot of other economic degrees at different universities, we tend to focus on the real world as well as abstract theories and economic theories which sometimes tend to be from a distance from what's actually happening in the real world. So we do this with many ways, we use examples in our teaching that are current examples. We have experts who teach, who share parts of their research which is active ongoing research about things that are happening today, and we also try to give examples that span the whole world in our lectures and not just the UK or Europe or the global West. Just an example of this real world attitude or this real world approach, just now as we're speaking there is this COP26 and the climate crisis which is an event that takes place today and tomorrow about COP26 which is happening in the UK now and is discussing the issues of the climate crisis and the issues in the world the world is facing due to the climate crisis, and we have a few members of the department currently giving speeches at this event, discussing what are the potential problems what are the issues with climate that the world is facing, and what are the possible economic solutions that can be and should be taken by governments, international organizations, people's and so on. This is one example of what I mean by real world taking place right now by rigorous. What we mean is that as you probably know economics is a fairly quantitative subject so you will do a lot of qualitative research you will do a lot of topics that do not have any math requirements but a lot of economics is mathematical and is quantitative. And in an undergraduate degree of source you will have that side of that side of the experience as well, there will be. Firstly, in your core modules in your theory module there will be a quantitative parts, but also there is a lot of support given in mathematical modules which are specifically designed to support students learning economics, a lot of those modules for undergraduate I teach. So this is what I mean by what we mean by rigorous regional of course being at sauce we have a lot of experts that have a regional expertise. So their expertise might be in many different parts of the world but also focused in Africa, Middle East, Southeast Asia, Latin America. What that does is that both in the general courses in the general lectures in everyday teaching, there are as I said regional examples that are brought into the picture but also you have optional courses that you can take, especially at the last stages of your studies, so this is around year three, where you can have options we have a specific regional focus so if you're interested about Japan or the Chinese economy, or Middle Eastern economy, you can take regional options which have that as basis. But also of course we have a very strong language department and that language department has language that you can take as part of your degree and that can also give you another way to specialize even deeper culturally within regions that you're interested in. And the final thing is research led so what we mean by this is differently from, again, some universities, we do not have many colleagues who are just teaching focused and what they do is teaching so you might know that a lot of universities have either teaching universities or their focus on teaching, or they have a lot of teaching staff which which their expertise is on teaching. We at SOAS in general but in the economics department specifically are a research led institution which means most of the academics of the department to research, as well as teaching. And of course this is good for you in the sense that a lot of these research which is at the forefront of their field is brought into the teaching is brought into the modules modules are changed based on what is going on and the research side of things, but it's also a way to. For example, there's also weekly research seminars that you're you can attend that are by highly high profile speakers and academics, and this gives a network, an academic network that is different from being at the university which is just teaching focused. So I'm having a bit of trouble changing the slide. So, this is a very literal description of what our department currently looks like so this is our, these are all our colleagues in the department currently. We have many different colleagues from across the world, and we also have a department of 50% gender balance which is quite rare in economics so there's almost as many women as men I think it's almost exactly 50%, which as I said is quite rare. And the, the colleagues in the department, as I said most are the vast majority is very research active and they work on very different things such as economic growth and environment and climate which are some of them are discussing as I said now in COP26. There, there's a colleague leading on a very big project across different universities and institutions on corruption, and have a professor who is famous for his work on financialization. We have colleagues that work on development economics gender economics on the Japanese economy the Chinese economy and many other areas of interest. And this is the list of the programs that we offer. So there are effectively five distinct programs that we offer these are the BSE economics BA economics BSE development economics BA economics as a joint degree so that is economics and some something else from a different discipline from a different department for example economics and politics, or economics and law or economics and the language, and so on. And also there is a new degree which is starting this year which is called the politics philosophy economics pp, which is the most multidisciplinary degree you can have which is partly run by economics by the philosophy department and by the politics department. Let me briefly tell you about the BSE economics degree so for the BSE economics degree, it is the more quantitative degree that we have and for that you, you need a level mathematics with great of PR above to enter and this is, as I say the most rigorous mathematical degree that we have however, you can also do BA economics which BA economics doesn't have this requirement for mathematics. And BA economics is a program that can be structured in many different ways. So one reason you might want to do BA economics is because you don't want to have the quantitative side. You want to be able to choose more options, you have the ability to choose more options from different departments as well. And you might want to have this degree because of the flexibility it offers but also because of the lack of the quantitative subjects. But if you wish to graduate with a BSE economics, then you can start on the BA economics and automatically graduate with a BSE economics, if you take a specific pathway, what they call the BSE pathway. And this is effectively, it's just a set of modules which are created so that students can catch up with the knowledge of a level mathematics that they don't have or equivalent, and then slowly come up to the level of mathematics that the BSE economics students can then be able to follow all the quantitative subjects from BSE economics and just automatically graduate with a BSE economics degree. So, if you're interested in doing a BSE economics you can do it without a level mathematics starting from this BA economics, BSE pathway. We also have the BSE development economics which has a special focus on development, which is something that we have a lot of expertise on as you may imagine. And we have a lot of experts, expert colleagues who work on development, and this also can be structured in a more or less technical way, and also there is support for students that do not have a level mathematics to be able to take more quantitative subjects. And the joint degrees is something quite rare for economics departments and for universities in the Q&A in general, you have the opportunity to split this degree between economics and a language or another. Discipline, and you can also have economics as a first or second subject, which means whichever is your second subject you will have less module zone or less focus on in general. What I'm going to highlight in this slide is that for all students, there is the opportunity to take a summer school in the university in Singapore between your second and third year, for which you're the fees and the travel is covered. Students have to pay for accommodation. This is credit-bearing summer school. So what that means is that basically the modules that you take in that summer school, you don't have to take during your last year back at SOA. So you can have a little bit of a less difficult or less full program in your final year, but also of course the opportunity to study at a different university at a different place far away from the UK. So this is something that is also an opportunity that students might be very interested in. So just to talk to you briefly about our teaching, we try our teaching to be interactive and participatory, by which I mean that basically we try to engage our students in our teaching as much as possible. We don't have only the very standard lectures of a person like me now sitting and talking to people that are just listening, but we also have structured the lectures in a way that students are engaged, students are asked to participate and talk and things like this. But more specifically, the teaching takes place broadly as a mix of lectures, tutorials and pre-recording material. The pre-recording material is something that a pre-recorded lecturers, it's something that we have introduced from the, since the pandemic, but it's something that seems like a lot where some parts of the lecture, some parts of the key lessons of each week are pre-recorded. So you can see before the lecture. The lecture is a standard lecture in which you have a lecture teaching to university students, but again in a way that's as participatory as possible. And then tutorials, which are much more hands-on, students are asked to engage in conversations, prepare some readings, discuss those readings, or for quantitative subjects, you know, solve exercises and show the solutions or discuss the solutions. And then we try our teaching of quantitative subject to be very hands-on. So, instead of just teaching and having exams at the end of the year that students are meant to take, we follow the students through the year. There is support outside the lectures that students can have to discuss specific issues with the lecture directly and have kind of learning that is very much catered for the specific issues that they still may have with the quantitative subjects. In general, we assess students in many different ways. So the most standard way of assessing students is with exams and almost all modules have exams which take place in the major period. But those exams are, the weight of those exams, the significance of those exams is generally, as years goes on, decreasing. So, modules will have between 50% and 80% grades depending on the exam. And the rest depends on assessment, which happens throughout the year, and we use different types of assessment to help students build skills that are of different types of skills, I'm sorry. So, for example, we do group work. An example of group work for first year students would be what we call Festival of Learning, which is that we split all students into groups, and these groups make a presentation on an economic issue and economic topic or an economic question in a way that is participatory and creative, and then they present those videos in the period of the pandemic or actual physical presentations at the end of the year to the rest of their class. And so, and they are assessed based on that presentation as a group, but we also have in different modules, policy briefs, blogs, posts, country reports, of course, essays, and multiple school quizzes. So there is many different ways that students get assessed. Most different types of assessments are there to build different kinds of skills, skills that our alumni generally tell us are very, very useful in the workplace. So, working in a team, meeting deadlines, working with data and software, being able to analyze data, create policy reports or other types of reports are all things that students tend to do our students tend to do in the workplace after studying and so on. And these are things that they have honed in due because of the assessment structure of their modules in general during the studies. And fundamental, of course, to all of this is to teach students and for students to learn and to be proficient in economic theory, that's most important task, as well as its application from a global perspective. So, I discussed a little bit I gave you a kind of an overview of what teaching is like and how we do teaching on a kind of per module basis. But of course there is a lot of support that comes out of that is beyond and outside the module so that support can be very much focused on studying and we do have from the library, learning, teaching and innovation center there's a lot of study skill workshops that take place throughout the year, some are online, some are on campus on different things so how to write essays, how to site, make citations properly, how to study. There is also we're going to be running this year, a workshop on how to make how to do public speaking which can also be very useful for students. There are many more. So, the support exists and students can have access to it throughout the year, but as well we have what we call an academic advisor assigned to each student so an academic advisor is basically a student, an academic member of staff, like me for example that is assigned that a student is assigned to all students are assigned to an academic advisor in the beginning of their studies and this is someone who stays there throughout their studies. And it's someone that they can talk to about academic issues, questions that they may be having difficulties that may be having studying or their experience of studying in general, discuss module choices discuss, maybe job placement internships career concerns and stuff like that so this is a person who is there to be a point of contact and have a kind of an overview oversight of the students journey throughout the three years. In addition, we have what we call peer mentoring for first year students so this is a student led initiative. One of the students running this is actually June was going to speak to us in a few minutes. And this peer mentoring is basically that all first year students are assigned to an older student a mentor who is willing to take that role take that initiative. And the mentor again is there to help students with different types of questions from academic related questions how to do things in the library how to print papers, which courses to choose or how to study for a course to more broad life issues like where to live in London or where to go out for lunch, and so on. We have a dedicated career service which has career first career events, a very large jobs database that is shared with students frequently, but also there's a workshop that students have to go. That is run by the careers services that tells them key information that they need to know about applying for jobs internships and so on. We have a very active global alumni network. And in particular we're running this thing called the in mentoring via source connect, which is a platform through which students can get in contact with alumni so people who had started have started at source before, both graduate and undergraduate. And this is, because we have a very global network of students, especially our post graduate students are from all over the world, and often they tend to go back to the world. They tend to go back to where they came from or some of them do or in any case go in place outside the UK, this network is quite global, and that can connect students, especially that are interested to go to other places, you can find the alumni that is in these countries and this is something that many students have found very very nice and useful. Of course, there are many society student societies, some of them are economics related so I have here this open economic forum economics and finance society the Islamic finance and ethics society. But there are many other societies that students can take can be a part of both economic related societies or something else. And these are of course societies that are run by students. And I don't know if June wants to come in and share her experience at sauce for just a bit and then I'll take over. Of course, can everyone hear me or. Yes, okay great. So my name is June and I'm the final year student pursuing a dual degree in economics and politics, something which is definitely added to my source experience as being a mentor for the freshers of the economics department. It's a good way to give back and in my own first year, I also had a mentor, and he helped me loads with academic questions and fun things to do in London or so, especially as someone who's not from England. And it's also good to keep being involved in the student community. Another great thing about my degree is that I'm doing a joint degree of economics and politics. It works really well together. I learned a lot about decolonization and climate change and policy. And what's great about it as well as that I can specialize in both politics and economic modules to different regions. So later this year I will be doing economic development in China and East Asia. Aside from this, my academic advisor is also great she's, she's helped me so much when I've had questions about exams or essays. And more recently as I'm going towards my final year in graduating, we've been discussing my options for the future. She's heavily invested in my personal growth and wants to help me succeed. The career services is also really great for any questions and in my second year I regularly look for internship opportunities. I'm also involved in several societies such as women's football crypto society. And last year during the pandemic when everything was closed but we're allowed to go outside and do exercise. I was, I created a cycling group. This was a great way to meet people from so as and further discovered London. This is my final year of so as I'm really looking forward to the module economics of the environment. It's an important module in today's age and time, it covers macro and micro perspective of the issue and tackles climate change. And it also discusses intergenerational equity and how we can assure the well being of those alive today and future generations. Thank you very much, June. That was great. Thanks a lot. Okay, so let me just continue briefly I want to start kind of wrapping up this talk because already I think it's gone longer than what I was hoping for, but just to give you a brief description of what employability looks like if you have a degree at source the source economics graduate destinations it's an average of the last three years I think it doesn't include the last year so it's the previous three years probably and you can also see that I mean already this looks like a very good process are pretty good and most of our students the vast vast majority of students gets a job after their studies. The difficulty also here is that this misses out on the students who leave the UK and especially for postgraduate because this is coming from the UK I see if I'm not mistaken but in any case it's government UK data so it's data for those who stay into the UK those who don't stay into the UK, their status is lost so this is also where this 6% of other comes from. Because especially for our so our undergraduate student bodies mostly from the UK but our postgraduate student bodies very international and a lot of those students then go to go abroad to work and those are kind of lost within the system so that's part of the 6% there. And you can see here I have the list of skills that students are expected or students will gain from studying at source, I don't really want to really read through that list, but I think from my discussion what I was talking about teaching before you get a sense of the skills that one can hope to build from studying an economics degree in general and an economics degree specifically here at SOAS. But to give you a little bit of a face to this career story I'll just tell you these three placements that are all very recent so Bijan he did an economics and politics degree like June, and he's currently a senior advisor for the Department of International Trade in the UK. And that team is a PhD economic student recent economic student as well and her story is quite interesting because she's an economic consultant at PJW International Development Consultancy which is a consultancy on development based in the UK in the EU but what is interesting about her story one thing that is interested is that she found a job she was contacted by a SOAS alumni and she met with that SOAS alumni and that SOAS alumni was running this consultancy and she found a job there. And finally Tatiana who finished her degree last year in 2021 and she is currently a global data environmental social and governments fixed income and leach analyst at Bloomberg. These are three examples three phases of students that have studied recently at SOAS on undergraduate degree. And finally I'm going to leave you with this screen, which is this slide which is basically the most common graduate destinations of destinations of students at SOAS these are places where both our students are very keen to go to, typically, and where many students do end up going to so this is just to give you a sense of the kind of graduate destinations that you can expect or students that study at SOAS end up with and up to. So I'm going to stop here. Thank you very much for listening and there I'm going to leave the rest of the time for questions. So, feel free to ask me any questions again. This is, you can ask me questions on anything that you might want via the chat or be using the microphone turning on your video if you want to. I don't know if anyone has any questions. I don't see the raise your hand function so if you do raise your hands don't worry about it just speak. Well, we just take a second to let any of your questions come through. Would you maybe like to speak a little bit about sort of dissertation and sort of final year project kind of elements that could be interesting. Yes, thank you Dan so yeah let me say a couple more things of that I haven't that they haven't maybe said. So one thing that I wanted to. So if you want that I can go into a little bit more detail about our program structure. So the way that programs in general are organized is that you have some core subject and compulsory subjects and some optional subjects so the current compulsory subjects are those that you have to take. Depending on your degree and then the optional subjects are things you can choose different courses you can choose. Some subjects can be sometimes from the economics department what we call guided options and sometimes from other departments whichever department across the school, a language or a non language option. And the way most degrees are structured is that your first year is usually more core subjects that you don't you have less choice so you, you are told this course that you need to take. So as you progress in your second and then as you progress to your third year, you have more choices so then you have a lot more choices to do with. As I said, choice from within the economics department, specific regional focus specific area of economics that you might be interested in finance banking international trade environmental economics that you mentioned the gender economics, many other options that you can choose and also the regional subjects. And also, so you have more options like that so I get a question here from Teresa Thank you very much which is where would students study in Singapore. So these partnerships that I mentioned the summer school is with the Singapore University of Management, if I'm not mistaken but I might be mistaken. There is information of these on our website, but I think it's a Singapore University of Management. It's taken with their name. Yeah, so there is. So, yeah, there are more options as you go along. And there's also at the final year like that mentioned there is a study project is the individual study project that students can take, which is a dissertation that you can focus on something that is in the supervisor that is supervising the dissertation throughout the year. And that can be a qualitative essay or quantitative essay and econometric essay where you do some data analysis and things like this, which are also if you want a lot of our courses are data driven and econometrics driven, especially in the second and third year. Do I do we consider applications with the retakes and what is a retake. So is that maybe a level exam retakes or equivalent. Yes, yes, we do. So, so you can see if you look at the website, what are the different qualifications and different requirements to get into the studies. But if you if you feel that you like the degree if you feel that you like studying at sauce if there's something that you know in today's discussion or in general click for you for whatever reason. So if you're interested to apply it is very possible that on certain occasions if you have, you know, very good personal statement or some very good aspects of your application, and some qualifications are not exactly met, you could still be made an offer. So, yes. Yes, I think that's all the problem at all. I don't think that we would even look negatively at that at all to be honest. So what we look at is the final degrees the final what you got in your IP total after the retakes. Yeah, no problem. So, do we accept application with a deferred entry. So if you you mean applications that you want instead of wanting to start in the next academic year if you want to start in the year after that. To be honest as an as an admission student I don't remember seeing applications like this but yes, we can do that and what is what I know for sure does happen is as soon as who are accepted for this year, then the if the fair, they're entered to the next year and this is something that we do I allow so I'm not exactly sure in the technical side of how you would do this, but I do know of cases of students who were supposed to start this year and have deferred their studies for next year. These are also questions that you can take up with admissions if you're interested at that missions. I think it's undergraduate admissions at sauce. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, you can also use the study at so ask.ac.uk mail address that I put in the chat earlier on. But as well just to quickly add to deferred admissions when you make your UCAS application when you're quite through UCAS from memory there's a box that you can tick which says defer application. And then that just lets us know that you'd be intending to start in the following year. But as has been mentioned there if you if you make a normal application and then decide you might want to defer your entry. You can also use the email to admissions or to any of our email addresses and we will speak to about getting that processed. Thank you very much. Yes. Sakina also put the email there. Thank you Sakina which is the email for admissions also Sakina is a student as we said from the third year student from the department. I'll ask her a question for you to do so as well. Sorry, so this is the same question I think that was just answered by Dan and this is the question that Eduardo Eduardo I think also made which is about deferred entry so deferred the application is exactly the same as applying for 2023 I think. Is that correct. Yeah. Any other questions anything else about the program about the economics maybe. No, so thank you john for your question so john asked whether the candidates will be invited for interview no we don't have an interview process so I think you apply through you guys. And then your application is either accepted or not accepted. Usually, your, your offer will be a conditional offer so if you're still doing a levels or whatever other qualifications you're doing, your offer will based on you achieving certain grades, but without an interview. Eduardo. Yes, so that. So, I can. For example, if you guys are interested this is, this is the structure of the degree so this is the BC and be a economics, but also if you want I can show you the base development economics and the joint programs. So for the BC, for example, if you can you can see here for the BC economics. The first year where you would have an economic principles this is micro and macro. And then elementary statistics and statistics applied economics in the global economy, which is a development based one term module, and then you will have mathematics for economics which is our first quantitative module. And you additionally do these are the course that you have to take in your first year as I said the first year has more substance that you have to take and then there's more options. You have 30 credits of optional modules, which is a 15 credit is a one term module so 30 credits is to one term modules, and this can be a language or this can be something from another department from politics from law for whatever. So that would be what the BC looks like if you see the BA economics, it has 45 open modules, which is again as I said the BA has a little bit more options. Unless you do the BC pathway where you have these extra quantitative subjects which bring you up to speed to a level. So that's what the first year of the BC looks like. And then the development economics and the joint programs the first year looks like this. So the BC development will have. It's very similar the first year actually to the BC economics. And the BA developments will have only micro macro economics and the rest you can take from a from your other subject. That's for the first year, and then you see the year two, and then year three as you can see, there's a lot more options. And one thing also that is interesting to students, the kind of options that exist so this is not a full list. These are mainly options for from the economics department, again their options outside the department and there are such as econometrics global financial markets international economics development economics banking and finance gender economics, environmental economics applied econometrics and different regional modules within a focus on Africa, China, Middle East, Japan. That's it. So the qualified the A level grades, typical BC economics offer would be the qualification so ABB, typically. No, a AB, I'm sorry, a AB. There is also distinction between if you're if you belong to a widening participation group. So that means people from either that do not have family that has gone to higher education, or from impoverished neighborhoods or different, you can see the qualifications for people that belong to the widening participation category, they offer for economics is ABB for everybody else it's AB. You're welcome. That's a very good point. Sorry, so thank you very much for asking this which I forgot to mention, which is that for exactly what Teresa asks which is exactly for those that do a joint degree with a language. For example, economics and Japanese, the language program has a year abroad. So that year abroad you go to Japan you go to whichever country is the language you're doing, and you have a placement that you work there, and, or so that you learn the language. Or I'm sorry if you work there but you go to the country and you, of course, use the language as the whole point. Yes, this will be exactly if you have a joint degree economics and the language then that can include if you want to a year abroad, which is between the third, between the second and third year so you do for four years the first two years and then a year abroad then back and forth for your final year and this is something also that students do do and enjoy very much. You're welcome. Any other questions. Maybe just before we. Oh, sorry, there's a question a few hundreds. Is there an option for students to have placement opportunity before this is a good question. It is something that a lot of students are keen on the way that it happens so far is usually with the summer internship. We are working towards having something like that so there is. So we are working towards having the opportunity for a placement period in your third year studies but it's not something that is yet existing our program so you I shouldn't say it with a very high degree of certainty, but it's something that we're working on to have degrees that to include some placement opportunity as it currently stands placement opportunities happen in as internships during the summer. Although, again, not so much of a very official way but there are students who take a year off at some point in their studies if there is a good reason for it and sometimes that could be an official placement so that they work for you and then they come back. Exactly. That is what's akin as I saw you could interrupt your degree to do a placement. Again, this is not an entirely official thing so it's not something that necessarily the university fully supports but if you want to do it and if you're very, if you keenly want to do it that would be possible. So I think that you were about to say something I think we should more we could we could wrap up I don't know if you think there's something that I should add. I think I think it's been a great session and hopefully everyone's questions have been answered. Just in the last minute or two there was something Sakina shared with me earlier about something called k economics I was just wondering if she might like to share with share with the guests. It sounded quite interesting and nice opportunity. Yeah so in our first year, obviously, second year was a little bit affected by COVID, but they're hoping to get it back this year. We had at the end of term this event called k economics, which is essentially, and it's a free event where students and staff from the economics department all gathered together in just one of the buildings and your fed cakes, little sweet treats tea coffee and some. I think there was presepo, but I'm not sure. And it's just a really nice way to get to know people outside of the classroom because you're not just meeting your friends, all of your academic advisors the tutors are all there. We're running this again here. Thank you very much Sakina for this yes we are running. So we do a lot of events that are outside the curriculum let's say which are some social events of this year will be running k economics will be running. And some quizzes for second and third year students so you Sakina also can be a part of those. Yeah, but also for first years which are quizzes about how well did you know the economics department, which would be again social events with questions and game quiz as games. So that students can. I mean, like Sakina said meet each other and new people but also their tutors and their lectures, and also tutors and lectures of other classes that they don't do. So we do try to. And this year, like Sakina said very rightly last year was a difficult year copy wise that happened less socializing was more virtual, which works to a level but this year will be much more on campus next year for you guys hopefully a lot more on campus also. And that's yeah we do try to have events for students to meet staff and to socialize with stuff and stuff are generally on the whole fairly friendly. So, Sakina and June and Dan thank you very much for your help. Everybody who came thanks very much for your questions I hope it was informative. And I think this is a good time to wrap it up. Yeah, I'm just going to put two things in the chat that people might be interested in. The first is a link to chat with the students. And so we have Sakina on that as an economic student. So if you do want to get that any more questions about student experience you can jump on there. And it's a sort of text based chat that you can use. Otherwise, if you have any questions that are more sort of say official for the university as such admissions, the third entry, etc, etc. You can contact us there at studyatsoas.ac.uk. Thanks everyone for joining. Thank you very much. Have a good day.