 Chair Weigel We're good to get started whenever you're ready. All right, okay. It is 430 on The button so I would like to call the regularly scheduled meeting of the city of Santa Rosa design review board to order I Know I haven't been able to use this at home and zoom for like what two years So we get to use the gavel three years almost. Yeah So with that we have a little bit of housekeeping at the beginning of the meeting Members of the public can participate in this hybrid meeting by either attending in person from the council chambers Or which is located at 100 santa rosa avenue It is recommended that social distancing be observed or via the zoom platform webinar by visiting HTTPS Slash s our city dot s our city dash org dot zoom dot us And There's a number there Which I will read again in a minute or by dialing 1-877-853-5257 and entering the webinar id 867-5845 4073 Public comment may be may be made live during the meeting Via zoom phone or in person from the council chambers Additional information related to meeting participation is available at the city's website at sr city dot org slash design review board The meeting will be live streamed On the city's website at santa dash rosa dot legis star dot com slash calendar Click on the in-progress link to view the meeting can also be viewed on comcast channel 28 and on the city's youtube channel At youtube.com slash city of santa rosa and it can also be viewed through the zoom platform So with that I would like to turn it over to our recording secretary for a roll call Board member jones carter present board member liptak present Board member cook is absent board member sharon um board member with rich Present Vice chair birch is absent chair weigel present Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of a board member cook and vice chair birch who are absent Thank you. So with that we will move on to item two, which is the approval of minutes We have no minutes to approve. So we'll just keep on rolling item three public comment This is a time when any person may address matters not listed on the agenda So if you have a public comment related to item 8.1, please save it for later But if you have a comment within the subject matter or jurisdiction of the designer view board, we'd love to hear it. So Each speaker is allowed three minutes So i'm going to turn it over here to the recording secretary to see if we have anybody a in the zoom platform And then we'll also look to see here in the council chambers if anybody makes their way to the podiums in the back We do have one person present in zoom Um, if you wish to make a comment via zoom, you can do so by pressing The raise your hand icon at the bottom of your screen. And if you're calling in, please press start nine Chair weigel. I don't see anybody making their way to the podium And nobody in zoom is raising their hand All right. So with that we will close public comment and we'll move on to item four, which is board business at which time we will read The board's statement of purpose item 4.1 Zoning code chapter 20 dash 52 dot 030 f project review The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project Upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan Any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements EG city policy statements and development plans So with with that we'll move on to item 4.2, which is board member reports And I don't think we have any any board member reports No, not seeing any we will move to item 4.3 Which would be other and we do have a new board member to introduce this evening And she is down at the end there Vic Liptak and Vic if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and Thank you. Uh, I'm Vic Liptak I have been I've been in architectural education. I was in architectural education for a very long time I taught at uh woodbury university in southern california And through that I got into academic administration So I've been doing academic affairs for quite a while at a number of different places and right now I am consulting for academic affairs in higher education And uh, I I Think it's important to be part of the citizenry and uh I think design is incredibly important for For how we live and for our quality of life. So I'm really really honored to be here Thanks, Vic appreciate you. We're glad you're here and uh, it's pretty cool. We now have a full board I'm very excited about that. We've kind of had a little up and down the last I don't know probably six nine months Not having a full board, but now we have a full board, which is great um, so one thing that we should mention, uh, is that we do have a Board liaison representative to the water waterways advisory committee Adam has done it in the past And so I'm not looking for anybody to step up today. I just wanted to put it in your mind If you're interested in doing that Let me or Amy know and we can get you Hooked up with that. I believe we um When the time comes we have to officially appoint you at a board meeting So we can just do that at our next board meeting If possible, so just wanted to put that in your heads and with that that concludes Oh, yeah, if you anybody and if you have questions about that, uh, committee adam Is more than happy to to answer that for you since you how long did you do that two years three two years two years Yeah, you did two. Yeah, two or three. Yeah, so Um, excellent. So with that, I'd like to move on to item five department reports And I will turn it over to supervising planner Amy Nicholson Thank you chair weigel and good evening members of the design review board Just a welcome to board member libtak. We're very excited to have you And um, thank you chair for bringing up the waterways advisory committee Just for Calendaring purposes that committee meets on the fourth Thursday of each month at 9 a.m Here at city hall Not in the council chamber, but actually it's across the street, but it's generally the city hall campus So again, that's the fourth thursday at 9 a.m And um, that concludes my report. Thank you Thanks, Amy So with that we'll move on to item six statements of abstention And this would obviously be any statements of abstention on item 8.1 this evening because that is a public hearing so Any statements of abstention this evening on the this item? Okay, great not seeing any we'll move on to item seven consent items and we do not have any So with that we will go to item eight For our scheduled items and we'll move to item 8.1 Which is a public hearing for 10 e street multifamily units Sequa exempt project and it's a full full blown major design review Located at 10 e street dr 22 dash 0 5 7 and we'll get um We'll do a uh staff presentation by the project planner chris van a two means and then a Applicant presentation and so chris van a do you want to get the applicants situated? I think at the table here and then we have to do x part a while while we do that. Does that sound good? Or no, yes, what do we want to do? Why don't we do um the staff presentation first and then the applicant can come on down at the table? That sounds like a plan. Great. Thanks. All right. So with that, let's move on to x part a communication disclosure Uh, so bringing it back to the board here I'm just going to look has does anybody have any x part a disclosure on this item Okay, I have x part a disclosure So I spoke with the project applicant and the project architect this morning I had a couple of questions on some code items and so we had a quick meeting about 30 minutes and we kind of We hashed that out. I just didn't want to waste any time today In the meeting on some get into the weeds on some architectural stuff So I think we've got that all worked out Which is great. So with that, uh, we'll go to a staff application or sorry staff Presentation while mixing stuff up today Thank you. Thank you chair weigel and members of the design review board My name is christinie tummions and I'm a senior planner. Um That was assigned to review the 10 east street apartments, which is before you this evening And it is a multifamily project in the downtown area The entitlements for this project Because of reducer view authority with the resilience city measures would be designer view It would qualify for minor designer view. However, the applicant elected to Go for a major designer view and not do the concept and z a process Which would also include a neighborhood meeting So this is a designer view for a multifamily building That is proposed to be four stories 53 units on a 15 000 square foot lot This is a street view of the um existing site. It's um a walled and gated vacant lot currently it was a former pg and e substation or Maybe a Some sort of lot for pg and e but it's currently vacant and as you can see here on the aerial To give you some context. This is a cross from the post office downtown. So the post office And city parking lot are to the west. There's a single family dwelling to the east There's a city parking lot to the south and then a two-story office building to the north directly to the north of the project site And the applicant has provided this neighborhood context map. It shows the project site and the various uses Within close proximity You can see east street as it intersects with cinnamon avenue towards the bottom of the screen And then the post office across the street I get just to give you a little bit of project history. This application was submitted on october 11 2022 for a pre application meeting this gives the applicant some advice from the city on Any major potential issues with the proposed design while they finalized their Designer view application and then december 19th 2022 the application was submitted And then city staff sent a notice of application to all neighbors within 600 feet of the project site Letting them know that staff had received this application I received one question Clarifying question but no comments no concerns about the project The general plan Designation is core mixed use and the zoning district is core mixed use. This is a unique designation That's in The core area of the downtown station area specific plan and as you can see It's flanked on three sides by properties with the same designation the single family Residents to the rear has a neighborhood mixed use designation And here's the proposed site plan Showing how the first floor would be situated And how it would relate to each property line The project implements many of the general plan goals and policies In that it proposes multi-family within less than a mile of the downtown smart station There's no on-site parking and unbound unbundled parking will encourage the use of alternative transportation The applicant informed Planning staff that seed parking division is processing a long-term parking agreement that will provide No fewer than 25 parking permits to residents should they wish to include that with their unit The core mixed use designation controls density with a floor area ratio or far which is unique Compared to other residential Designations in the general plan. So new development is required to achieve the midpoint or higher Of the maximum far and the midpoint far for the project site is three With a maximum of six, but there are exceptions allowed where parcel configuration Or utility constraints make the midpoint impossible to achieve and the applicant has stated that easements and setback limitations prevent the project from reaching that midpoint without Adding additional stories and that would make the project unaffordable the the easements Are related to some PG&E infrastructure that cannot be moved easily so the proposed project as As currently proposed the project will result in an far of 2.25 The project implements many of the downtown station area specific plan goals and policies In that it proposes a multi-family within less than a mile of downtown smart station The building features glazing are along the ground floor along east street and will provide visual interests and ground Floor activation along east street and While the project would not include income restricted housing the building design features such as unit size elimination of a parking podium Avoiding the requirement of an elevator and other cost savings would result in units that are affordable by design As far as parking goes the per city code on-site parking is not required for multi-family Residential uses in the downtown It does require one bicycle space per four units if units do not have a private garage or private storage space for bicycle parking for long-term storage Applicant is proposing bike parking within the shared gated courtyard The the zoning designation for the property also has some unique setback considerations The project site is adjacent to low density as I mentioned earlier along the rear property line And the cut requires a five foot rear setback when adjacent to that to a low density density residential unit And there are no interior setbacks when it's not when there is no low density residential So that five foot setback would apply to the rear and then The code does not permit any structure to extend within over under or upon any public service easement access easement or utility easement Due to the presence of PG&E easements and utilities along the front property line The applicant is proposing a 12 foot front setback and I believe the code requires a 12 foot max setback with some exceptions The downtown station area specific plan designates this area as neighborhood transition and is subject to the rear Stepbacks outlined in table ud cs-4 neighborhood transition standards Um, this requires building Buildings to step back from the rear a minimum of 10 feet above the third floor And the proposed structure complies with the 20 foot rear setback above the third floor As far as design guidelines, um, this project provides an appropriate transition from the existing low density residential neighborhood to the rear And the and it's sort of the perimeter of the core mixed use Boundary and the taller office building to the north The project incorporates durable varied materials Juliet type projections and consistent finishes on all elevations Um, the building has appropriate setbacks and setbacks from the low density residents to the rear Uh, and that will help reduce Any preserved mass increase privacy and protect any existing mature trees The project includes a private fence and landscape courtyard entry for residents and visiting public which will include bicycle parking And the first four units are oriented with direct entry to the exterior courtyard And uh, these entries are emphasized with plantings and lighting As far as environmental review, um, this project was reviewed with four compliance with sequa the california environmental quality act and was found to be in compliance specifically with section 15332 infill development and section 15182 Since it's consistent with the downtown station area specific plan There are some issues just highlighted in my staff report. I just wanted to bring them up the one, um One issue would be the far. They're not meeting their midpoint, but there are reasons for that There are some challenges on the side including PG&E infrastructure setbacks that make it challenging to achieve that midpoint And also, um The roof design, um The architect and staff support the neo-rightean cantilever roof projection that involves no height differences um, the architect states In their narrative that the strength of composition relies on a strong projection of the mass On the east west axis and an artificial introduction of varying reforms would be a cliched and ineffective development of the site As I stated earlier, uh staff received no public comments about this project And staff is recommending that the designer view board by resolution grant designer view for the 10 e street apartments project The applicant has a presentation prepared going through the plans and so um Staff is available for any questions or comments on my on my presentation. Thank you Thanks christine. Um, so just a summary again So we typically like to hear the Applicant presentation and then we'll go to public comment And then we'll bring it back to the board for our kind of questions and hopefully we can Wrap in public comment to our questions if that makes sense Um, and then we'll go to see if we can get a resolution and some conditions and all that good stuff and get the project Out the door if we can It's usually the goal, right? so with that, um If you guys would like to App the applicant would like to come forward, uh, and chris and I if you could get Their application there a thing On the screen We'll move forward And make sure you please introduce yourself For those viewing at home and the folks here in council chambers Is your button on over there? Yeah, I think yeah, I know technology technology Hugh futrell my firm is the Owner and developer of the site and will be after its construction also the owner and an operating manager I'm here with paul gilger of Anderson hedge path the project architect also here with brianna morris and the landscape architect from carl all macy That obviously will come down when we get to that part of the presentation and also jessica bagley the project civil engineer with carl all macy I'm going to give a general overview if I may of of how this particular project fits into Our own strategy is I think the board is aware. We've done a Quite a large number of buildings in the city's downtown core and that's this fits into that puzzle in a particular way Then I'd like to explain our program objectives General design objectives and then turn it over to paul to talk In more detail on the on the architecture So of the of the 10 or 12 buildings that we've built in the in the downtown core Which as you know vary from historic rehabilitation like the clock tower building hotel e Buildings the burbank savings building Residential and railroad square terrace We've done lower income market rate projects the condominium projects burbank condominiums on seven street and there is Others as well and then there is the Seven-story building now under construction next to bigotire on tires on four street, which is 108 units And what I would characterize as sort of a class a or a plus Apartment project which is heavily laden with amenities So what we have done on the residential side is done Market rate rental we've done lower income housing, but as you know what is often talked about is the So-called missing middle that's a little bit of a deceptive phrase, but Let's talk about units apartments homes that are Not regulated lower income, but they are Able to be rented at something that service workers Administrative workers can can afford Along with professionals who might might might choose to have smaller units And part of that is is a construction cost that makes it work in an environment Which I think you know is increasingly hostile to being able to deliver these projects for a lot of reasons And so in this particular project the overall objective was we wanted it to be a wood framed building We didn't want it to involve a concrete podium, which is very expensive We didn't want it to involve an elevator System we wanted to take advantage of something we'd done a number of years ago Which is create a walk-up project in which the fourth floor involves bedroom. So it's still a three-floor walk-up wood frame Essentially type 5 building Taking advantage of the code setback so that we can avoid fire rated walls around the perimeter At the same time we wanted A mix of some much smaller units where the rents can be 25 to 30 lower than what we would otherwise charge And also some larger units in the in the top two floors The need for that kind of housing is as you know intense And this project is designed to accomplish that On the on the Design side though We're not interested in building rectangular boxes that just happen to be inexpensive to build Because uh as you pointed out miss libtak What we build Lives for our lifetime and the and our children's lifetime and the impact of the community is huge and so Quality of design was also fundamental So that was as you might say the overall objectives that I I gave Paul and and his team going forward What I'd like to do if I may know is is go to the uh context map um Christina uh Noted that but I'd like to reiterate The site is essentially across the street from the two of the three largest remaining downtown Large potential future development sites. That's the post office site. Everyone talks about it No one knows when it'll happen But one day it will and of course the so-called white house parking lot immediately on the other side of third street So it's a highly urban uh environment with with one exception Which is what lies to the east which is the rear yard of a single family home And that's one of the reasons we have pulled back from that property line even more than the code code requires We're conscious that there is a transition there that that that matters We've also got the parking lot immediately to the south the parking lot is very helpful because although we're not required to do parking And although we'll provide parking on a bundle basis um Having parking available for residents is just something that many many residents still need So the ability to provide that in the parking lot through spaces available to them is is very important And of course we would be paying for those permits And I think that agreement has been fully executed and concluded with with the city at at this stage um So that is the obvious walkability of the site and We think it fits in well if we turn to the site plan now Along the front on east street partly because this was at one time a sort of a PG I don't know if there were to substation, but it was a facility with infrastructure in there There is a lot of PG&E stuff that's going down within the 15 feet behind the curb All the way to the existing building and that's one reason we can't move it up Uh closer to the uh to the sidewalk line On the north uh in technically unless I I'm forgetting something I believe that that setback could even be be zero But we're providing for a 10 foot setback there so that we avoid fire rated walls But also so that we accomplish something else we think is important Which is to give direct access to the residential units From the ground level which also means that there will be people circulating through that space To the doors it's defensible space It's not dead space as sideyards so often are in In these in these urban buildings To the south we have a south oriented Courtyard which includes of course both planting as shown and also gathering areas so that there is outdoor places Benches Tables barbecues so that people can gather and and enjoy real open space in in the building As you come around to the rear again, it's a pedestrian passageway landscaped pulled away from the property line to provide Uh protected access for the residential units We won't go over the detail of the individual floor plans except to to note that on the first floor here There are smaller units, but also common area In closed common area for again meeting gathering Mailbox package deliveries rental office electric rooms And the rest so our emphasis here is is to create Genuine livability for the for the project within this this four-story Structure I Before I turn it over to paul just one one point about the far In order to hit in this site in far of three it would require this building to become a six-story building Which would mean it would have to become a podium constructed building or or a class one Steel and concrete building And that would make our affordability objectives not possible But I do need to point out that even at four stories. This is an intense use of the site the Total project density Is uh about 160 units an acre So it's not as if this is a under development of the site. It's it's it's not I'll stop there and turn this over to you napal My name is paul gilger with anderson hedgepeth architects uh pleasure to work on this project we um Design it from the top down we started with the roof The roof element is um if we can go to um The 3d images would be good a few more pages then Hannah's right there Actually, I actually go to the 3d element the uh modeled There we go The horizontal roof um, it's one of the most basic aspects of franklade rights architecture is the sense of shelter And the horizontal roof as you can see provides a wonderful shadowing opportunity on the building And really does help make the building Look more residential than an office building To start with so both he and I are fans of the principles that write Um expounded and the horse the the horizontal is extremely important for a building like this Helps to keep the scale down So by having the strong horizontal cap on the building and then and like the way right would articulate the upper floor And banded around the roof Which worked particularly well for us because we do as you can see set back On the front corners of the building we have a couple of terraces And then if you continue on to let's go to the next page like eight three point That's a good one right there The bottom image you can see the step back on the backside of the building To respect the single family residences behind us But that really helps to cap the building off strongly and helps Stop the building as it hits the sky But what's what is important though is if the building is all horizontal it becomes very bland So you do have to accent it with the vertical elements And you can see here the side entrance to the courtyard has a vertical element. And if we back up to the front Back to sheet a three point one You'll see there's vertical elements there and where that comes from is We didn't want to become slavic to frankly right But also looking around downtown santa rosa And watching the movie shout of a doubt recently, but we have a lot of art deco and arts and um Um art modern architecture in town Not the least of which of course is the rosenberg department store building And looking at some of the other we have a wonderful art modern apartment building over on 10th street original And so being inspired by those buildings which also involve a lot of horizontal banding It it worked well with frank Lloyd Wright. So the building does become a composition of both horizontal very strong horizontal With vertical elements mixed in particularly at points of entrance Not unlike the marine community civic center That rite did um where you have the very long building with the the pylon that announces the entrance to the building What's nice about both frank Lloyd Wright and art modern art deco streamlined Is that this can be accomplished with standard building materials? So this building in interest as a Futural corporation. We want to maintain the cost on this building This building can be and will be built with our basic building materials stucco, hardy siding, mill guard windows a modest use of storefront And it's it's tremendous cost savings because you can really upset the cost of a building if the details get out of hand the um Another reason for the the big roof too is that When the day comes the the roof will be solar ready and the nice thing about a flat roof like this Is that now we can apply the solar panels at any angle to make them most efficient? And that's that's a big plus with the flat roof The other thing that i'm noticing too is that and we do have other buildings around town with parapets But with our climate change and with the amount of wind that we're getting The amount of debris that's being blown around We're finding that insurance companies particularly like a flat roof building like this because we don't get the debris build up That you normally get with buildings with parapets. That was another reason for the the big roof the um The proportions also all of the wind the the the windows and the doors of course are the eyes of the building and Keeping the building residential and scale The windows are residential and scale They are standard residential size sliding glass doors The windows and the bathrooms the windows into the bedrooms are standard residential proportions It's actually one of the tricks of the empire state building The reason we like it is when you look at the empire state building It has human scaled windows in it and it gives you the scale of the building the um At the base of the building the building does have a top a shaft And a base and what I do like about the building working With our landscape and civil is that we were able to blend it all together Because the courtyard is a unique part of this building And it's very integral to the architecture So if you look at the building the composition as it comes down to the ground Not unlike frank Lloyd Wright who used planters and boxes box planners around the base of a building It gives the building a foot And sets it down onto the ground brings it down and ties us into the into the courtyard And I think That is what I have In a nutshell Okay This is Brianna with um Carl on macy Hello everyone. Nice to meet you three. I I haven't been before the board since you've been members So it's pleasure to see you um, let's see Let's go to the land the preliminary landscape plan There we go Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, so From the top down the landscaping looks quite sparse. I realize The the value in the landscaping is really in the view the three dimensional views that uh, paul has created Which I'll go back to I just want to very briefly touch on um, what we're what we're doing here Um It's already been mentioned the sort of restrictions we have with easements and with the Existing side conditions. Um, so you see we only have one street tree there We would I think love to have more to continue the street tree pattern, but there are utilities All in that space and that's kind of the the limit of of where we can put a tree We are Preserving the majority of the trees that surround the site. They're very close to the property line, but we've we've set the the paving back from that in order to try and protect those trees and um Because the site is so tight and it's got a very uh, they're going for a very urban Experience, um, you can see a lot of it is is paving. It's going to be decorative paving Really to try and relate to the architecture and you've got circulation paths on the north and east side Allowing people some space outside of their front doors And then also our our accessible path Between Those spaces and the fence with limited landscaping pockets And so that's what you've got on the on the two More constricted sides and then the building opens up and it creates this this great courtyard space Which is sort of the main entry From the outside into the building and it's Got a A covered space There it's it's lightly programmed. I think Hughes Perspective is usually to see how the residents are using it and what they want in that space But we are creating opportunities for covered seating areas or that's picnic areas or an outdoor kitchen of some sort And then there's additional uncovered space again Connecting to the architecture And then you can see that we've provided a lot of bike parking Hughes really wants that to be vertical bike parking. So we're doing some really beautiful perimeter fencing horizontal board fencing And those those bikes will be hanging on the fence So when people are stepping out into their into this courtyard in the morning They're grabbing their bike off the wall. They're seeing their neighbors This whole little courtyard is really like a meet a meeting area. It's a great place I think for People to gather with their friends, you know that are that are coming over to visit to gather with each other to meet each other in passing And if maybe we could go to back to the three-dimensional view Yeah, that top view I think Really shows what that plaza space is looking like there's It's a really nice space With planters raised planters. Some of those are being used for bio filtration Different heights of planters to help separate and articulate the entrances not only to the units, but to the common areas And then we are providing some trees in the corners to help Fill in those spaces and provide smaller seating areas for the for the residents Again, you can see here the the trellis that we were talking about across from the main entrance and then you can see that consistent horizontal board fencing around the Around the entire property and then also surrounding the the trash enclosure. So it's very very seamless If we could go to the conceptual materials board, which is probably the last sheet Oh, no, uh, there we go right there. Yeah So our plant palette this this site's going to be pretty shaded. Uh, so we are trying to balance the need for stormwater treatment plantings Water use and being respect respectful of trying to plant drought tolerant low water use natives With the need for shade tolerant plants, which by nature usually require a little bit more water. So we we Had mislabeled some plants on our our plan as low water use But we submitted an erotic sheet that explained that there are some that were on the list that are actually moderate But our intention is to use as many low water use plants as we can And providing a lot of texture and color. So the the plant palette we have there You know, it's a lot of greens and blues, but they they have different You know, some of it's glossy or some of it's a little bit fuzzy some of it's taller or shorter And then we've got some a butalon, which is A moderate water use plant according to wuckles, but I have one planted in my house I've never watered since I planted it and it blooms year round and it Attracts hummingbirds and it's got this really beautiful color And then a lot of succulents and sedums because those are low water use Low maintenance and they're they just look really great There's some examples here of the horizontal board fencing with the Postmaster so low profile metal posts That will help us with the constricted site to allow more space Interior of the courtyard because it's not being taken up by those fence posts Some decorative paving again really pulling from the strong the strong architecture that paul's created And then you can see some examples of the entry The facade fencing with the controlled entry would be a see-through metal Controlled gate and then just some examples of different types of raised planters that we could use I think that's it. I think just one thing to add on on the planting. It just occurred to me The the planners that are in the front of the building within that easement area are actually Moveable so if pgne wants them moved because there is infrastructure down there we can move it That is our presentation Jessica bagley is also here if there's any civil engineering related items other than that we'll be happy to answer Any questions that come our way. Thank you Well, thank you applicant team for a complete presentation. So with that I'd like to open up the public hearing portion and See if there is any public comment on this project either in the council chamber Or on zoom. So if you're in the council chamber, please proceed to the podiums at the rear upper area Um, and then I'm going to turn it over the recording secretary to see if we have anybody on zoom If you're a member of the public participating via zoom You can raise your hand by selecting the raise your hand icon at the bottom of your zoom screen If you're calling in, please press star nine Chair weigel, I don't see anybody making their way to the podium And I don't see a member of the public raising their hand Okay, so with that I would like to close the public hearing um, and so we'll bring it back to the board here and uh, so Uh, I think we'll do Questions of both staff and late applicant from the board. I know I have a number of questions But I don't know about anybody else So with that, um Adam, I think you get the hot seat again because you're the other than me. They're longest tenured board member. So Kick it off questions of the applicant and or staff. That's great. Sounds great You hear me is that working? Okay. It is great Yes, uh, thank you chair weigel and thank you christening. Good to see you in person again Thanks for the presentation and thank you mr. Futrell for the presentation paul also mariana One I only have one question And it's in regards to the bike parking It's uncovered at this point. That's we you have it's all uncovered but vertical Okay, great That'll do it. Thank you Thanks board member Sharon and so we'll turn it to my left now Uh And we'll go to board member jones carter for any questions. So melanie Hi, um, thank you very much for the presentation. It was very thorough and uh, I appreciate that I did have a question about the lighting plan um, I Are there any external? Is there any external lighting around the building other than on the building itself? I can speak for the lighting on the building. We have the lighting on the building is The primary lighting of the courtyard, but I believe jessica. We're also doing Lighting on the fence Let me consult the plan just one moment. Okay Do you have any other questions beyond that while they're hunting that down? Yes, I do. Um the um The juliet balconies um, so Is there any possibility that they could also be A balcony as well I'm just curious about um outside space And you know the the site is is pretty tight and um, wondering About those books that live in those apartments that just have a juliet balcony And access to outside space I'm sorry. I didn't hear the beginning of your of your question My question is the spaces that are designed as just juliet balconies Is there any opportunity for them to have outside space as well? Like all the other units? That that's a subject actually that we delved into and I'm glad you asked Um In order to project out the front of the building where the juliet balconies are We are we would technically be Into the pgne easement which goes up vertically in front of the building Um, so it was unclear to us if pgne would object to that or not. They would have a right to Uh, or given the bureaucracy if they for example had to bring in A crane in order to remove some major infrastructure there Would it be in conflict with a projecting balcony or not? So that was that was part of our concern I also think and and you can touch on this paul that it seemed to us better that projecting out The front that way Would affect the strength of the horizontal access and the indentations on the corner that emphasize the strength of that projecting roof Um, so that that was that on the back Which is the other area where there's just juliet balconies. We were We would have chosen actually to put juliet balconies. I mean full balconies back there except concern about about increasing any privacy impact on the backyard of the neighbor by bringing people Forward and closer to being able to look down on them And jessica did tell me that yes, there's also additional lighting on the planters around the building in the courtyard And there would be as well around the the uh, uh trash Ben area gate as well I would let me if I can tack onto that question real quick. Um, so On paul on your Uh On your a4 one you've got decorative light sconces at entry doors, which is kind of one design Which is uh, I guess it's the the stainless steel kind of l with a And a column, you know column of light and then you've got right light sconces around building in peseo Which looks like a depth maybe an up-down Um sconce and brushed nickel. Is there a I guess i'm i'm not seeing it either in Carl. I'll macy's plans or on the finish what the lights look like in the In the courtyard Maybe i'm just missing it grana. Can you point to that? We don't have a An image for the lights on the planters, but we call them out on the landscape plan they would be embedded much like a Like a wall light or a steplight they would actually be embedded in the face of the planter And there's a symbol which Is probably hard to see on this plan There's a tiny symbol we've got them distributed evenly on the face of all of the the ground level planters So you can see it on the site legend. It's the the last item planter mounted light But we don't actually have an have an image of that. Okay, so you all right, so it's not in the Okay planter mounted light. It's in the site legend. It's very very tiny. It is very tiny. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah I'm just trying to think of it from You know like conditions a condition component Right to make it easy on staff So we may we may add a little condition about those lights, but that's probably not a big deal provide cut sheet Yeah, you know, I just want to make sure So the locations are identified All around the three sides of the building by the little itty bitty symbol It's very tiny symbol Yeah, but they're all on those little planters that are kind of regularly spaced in between the unit entries on the three sides Exactly and and the um the longer biofiltration ones as well Yeah, so any of those raised planters around the building would have it would just be a downlight You know creating a wash of of light along the Um the ground there Yes, I have one more Um what consideration is there for children? The there is the outdoor there is the outdoor courtyard area And the and the inner common room area which would include Opportunities, you know for games and and the like Those would be the two chief opportunities We do do a lot of family housing this project We'll probably have some families But the greatest majority of these units are are likely not to have children in the in them due to the size of of of these units Is the largest unit over 3,000 square feet? Is that right? No, no, the largest unit is around 900 square feet. Oh, okay. All right. Great. Thank you um To tack on to that How how far are we? from either a city park or courthouse square just out of curiosity like lengthwise It is uh two long blocks to freemont park And it is uh about I think Two long blocks to courthouse square And if I'm I'm not mistaken it would be Four blocks to juliard park. I may be my math may be slightly off there But but I think that's the case. They're they're also the pocket parks along sander or sonoma av On the A half walk away. So that too as well Does that help a little bit milling in terms of like? City amenities that are located nearby to help you with your question Yes Okay, any other questions? I I just have a point of clarification in the um I think this is the overview it says unitites include studio one and two bedroom units ranging from 900 square feet To 3,900 square feet. Is that a typo? I'm sorry. That's where I got the 3,900. Let's see. Let's see what that is What what sheet is that on? Oh So you can see my confusion. It's a typo in the staff report. Yeah, christine. It looks like it's part of your staff report Um, so that would be attachment So we're gonna find it No, it's just your staff report. I think which is of course not loading on my iPad right now. So Is that a staff report melanie? Yes page two a Project description I personally don't think that's a big deal because I think in The project narrative and the design narrative and the plans they support different Square footages obviously and we're potentially approving The documents as submitted not necessarily the staff report and christen. They can always go back and Update the staff report. That's not a big deal Am I right? Yeah, I believe the range is 900 to 390 square feet Am I correct am I correct on that the staff report can always be amended we should be able to Publish a correction all confer with the recording secretary and come back to you on that But we can correct on the record right now That there is a typo on page two of the staff report related to the The unit sizes Yeah, it looks like just so just so any anybody who may come back and watch this later Page two of 14 on the staff report under background item one project description The sentence says As melanie stated unit types include studio one and two bedroom units ranging from And then there's 900 square feet to 300 3905 square feet That probably should be flip-flopped and should say whatever the smallest square footage is and then whatever the largest square footages Would I be correct in that? Okay, perfect if I may in the Project description in item 15 page 2 it does And that is of course part of the record now. It does say Square footages from 390 square feet to more than 900 square feet But there is actually also a a One unit type is even smaller than than that, but that's the the basic range So amy, do you want me to move on with questions before we can wrap that up or sure? Okay, cool I just want to make it easy on you guys But good catch melanie any other questions No, cool. Awesome. Thank you. So we'll go down the row here and we'll go to board member with rich for questions Thank you. Thanks for the presentation and a lot of clarifications. So I actually have no questions at this time. Thanks All right, and then we'll go down to board member lip tack for questions green light Thank you very very much for the presentation And I had a number of questions some of which were addressed really well first and foremost the far Question and I I really appreciate your description Mr. Futrell of why This is an exception that does that is That I was stuck on the word impossible Because in the exceptions when it's impossible to build and I was thinking well, it's not impossible But you'd have to you couldn't use type 5, you know And right there changing from type 5 construction to something else. So anyways your description Why you're trying to do what you're trying to do that was really wonderful. Thank you I don't have a question about the far. I have some minor stuff There's no mention of santa rosa creek And its proximity to the site at all it does show up in the map and I just wonder And you don't have to mention it and clearly storm drainage is taken care of But it just seems like a Actually if I can interject So I actually have the same question of staff. So I wanted to ask ahead of time Amy, can you provide that same answer to me or to to board to the public to everybody please I can as it relates to The project not going before the city's waterways advisory committee Yes, that'd be great. Yeah, that answer. Please. Thank you Sure. So we do This speaks to the conversation we were having earlier in the meeting. We have a waterways advisory committee, which reviews current development proposals if they are adjacent to a creek or if they Would include any sort of improvements that are outlined in the city wide creek master plan This project did not meet that criteria. So it was not reviewed by the waterways advisory committee I'm not sure if that answers your question entirely At least partially it does and So I I will I will ask no more about that The I appreciate the courtyard entry as the way as a very private way for residents to Access their apartments if I were a first floor resident On the north side of the building Would I use the courtyard entry or would I just go through the gate on the left side of the front? There's actually three ways to get into the building one is to the courtyard One is through the main entrance in the middle of the building that comes into the common area where you Would pick up mail and the third is to go through the gate to the north that you were just alluding to I I think that depending on circumstances a particular Resident might use one on one particular day and another on a on a different day right and I That remains to be seen how the building is occupied and what the occupants do right? I mean we aren't in control of them There is a courtyard that's for everyone's use and if you happen to live on the north side So you don't usually go through the courtyard You have to decide you're going to be part of that community if you're going to be using it So we we don't have control over that and that's probably a very good thing windows Seem For those units That only have the julie either either on the first floor the unit entry or the juliet balcony and only that it It might be dark are those but on the other hand, it's juliet. So those are are they all Like sliding or French sliding they're sliding not french um What size what size are those? those sliding The sliding glass doors are six feet wide, but they are eight feet tall Using the same principles you see in san francisco get the taller windows and then on the ground floor That actually has an even taller ceiling. So we have transoms for the ground floor Thank you that helps a lot the ceilings are nine feet in the upper floors 10 feet in the lowest floor that's that is generous and thank you Um Let's see so The plan the plan says lobby and you keep referring it to common referring to it as common room And I love the idea of a common room which sounds like it's for the residents Whereas lobby sounds like it's for whoever kind of wanders in and is hanging out like what do I do? I'm glad to hear that the lobby is the common room. Thank you. If the plans don't say that Um, and I don't that's not an issue Um You probably do want to be aware that a 1.0 the drawing the site plan Says it's a 54 unit apartment building And I think it's 53. Am I right 53 53 I did account and yes, I think it's 53 as well 53. Yeah, so I mean that's not a big deal. It's not a big deal But it's your first plan so you might you might just want to fix that. Um, and Uh, the I the sheet 23 The last sheet which is that's not its number. What is its number? Does it have a number it doesn't have a number it's the conceptual materials board and it's it's it talks about the and I'm actually really excited about the the horizontal boards for the wood privacy fence Super clear in the the top three Drawings and then the the little section in details. It it actually looks like that's I could be wrong. I could just be reading it wrong, but it looks like those aren't horizontal. It looks like they're vertical I I I would love to be corrected on that you want to just take a quick look and yes, jesse can address that We actually have a mix Yes, I'm sorry. I misspoke earlier We have a mix of horizontal and vertical So there is horizontal on the frontage and then Horizontal boards in key places around so in the Where the bike parking and the trellis structure is in the courtyard that would be horizontal board fence And then I believe we also have it called out At the corners So as you as you turn the corner where we have the tree You would have a switch between a vertical board and a horizontal to kind of emphasize that corner And I believe We have that called out so j is Vertical boards and i is horizontal so you can see where we switch. Thank you for pointing that out So that's why we have both details So they would be the same type of wood the same type of post But for emphasis in key areas we would switch between the two Thank you. That's very clear and I think That's it. I Very much appreciate the discussion of How you got to the design you got to thank you and I think It's a great residential project. Thanks board member libtek. Um, so I have a Several questions that have yet to be asked or answered So I guess I'll just start with some of them So, um I think Paul I appreciate the horizontality of the roof. I think From a Organizational standpoint of the the massing. I think it's an interesting Design consideration But what got me scratching my head is where are all the hvac units for all of these various units? They will they will be a fun The condenser units will be up on the roof behind screening but set set in from the edge Yeah, are we gonna do are you doing like Mitsubishi kind of mini split kind of things that is correct. Okay, cool. Um All right, so that answers my question which will tie to a comment later. So I appreciate that Um Yeah, go ahead. Yeah So so there will be an additional vertical or multiple vertical elements to the roof Will they will those enclosures extend above the the apex of the roof that you have? There would be There would be mechanical units on the roof modest with modest screening But set back to the center of the roof so from the street level or even from Quite a distance you wouldn't see them because the eve of the roof projects out so far We're also the fire department does not allow us to put equipment that close to the end of the eaves anyway Even like with solar panels, they want three to five feet of walking space around any kind of mechanical equipment That forces it back to the center of the building in the middle Okay, um, but From say street street level Not visible. That's right. Not but which is why we did the 3d models so you could see that vantage point Sure. No, I appreciate the the models definitely one thing that I was going to comment about the models Is that we don't see the the roof line and the apex of the roof unless it's as flat As it's as you've shown on here But in the sections we do see the peak and so I wish we would have seen the The actual roof line And also now they're knowing the addition of the mechanical screening Just seeing that just wondering how high up and if there any visibility from below There wouldn't be be visibility rather rather similar to our art house project, which has a similar Uh, a similar roof actually because the the HVAC units have such a low profile The amount of screening is also has a low profile and from almost almost any imaginable ground level Uh, visibility would be no Okay, thanks for clarifying. Yeah, typically the the mini splits we're talking about, um Depending on the the tonnage Can be anywhere from like 20 inches to 48 inches tall And then you have to factor in a curb potentially You know, so they I mean compared to like a big giant You know forced air system or something that's you know, six feet tall or eight feet tall. These things are Really tiny. I just I didn't see it and there's a design guideline for HVAC screening So, uh, I just wanted clarity on that. Um, okay All right, uh I'm gonna jump around a little bit here So for the trash enclosure it looks like on the site plan There's a a line That appears to be a wall, but I'm not really sure What that is, um, I'm assuming it's not a line like a wall. It's maybe a curb or something Um, and that the trash enclosure is in fact just An open space with the bins inside. Is that is that correct? The trash enclosure is made out of the fencing material, right? Yeah, I just yeah, it's on the landscape plan There's like a there's a line on there. Yeah, there's just I'm assuming maybe it's just like a Drainage grade break or something that showed up. Okay, cool. Yeah, just making sure Um, okay Okay, um, I've got I'm I'm kind of I'm a little This is kind of in along the same lines of what board member Liptec said with regard to the The north side units I I guess I'm just concerned About the potential potential security issues of ground floor units particularly in the downtown core and while you have seven foot fencing around the entire Parcel which I think is good Um, you know, you only have You have all these doors and the north side in particular is How shall we say Not very eyes on the street Compared to the other elevations really I mean the north end I guess the west side So I mean are you concerned about security at all with those ground floor units that spill out onto those kind of I guess less pedestrian activated sides of the property Um No, no, we're not for this for this reason Um, if you have ground floor units They're either going to be backing up into a side yard setback in which case there's there's windows Which will typically be in an unobserved and an unsecured side yard, which people can actually always get into Um, whereas if if you have the front door facing it, you've got neighbors on either side You've got yourself, uh, right there. You've got your living areas, which are oriented There it wakes up where there, you know, studio units And the and the the gate system itself is a fob activated Gate, uh, and it's metal, you know, it's it's not wood So anytime you got ground level units, there's always always some kind of security question But the space is far more defensible than a standard Uh backing up kind of kind of space Okay, cool. Thanks I'm gonna save that one for I wrote a lot of notes. I'm sorry. I got a filter through them. I apologize Um This is probably a question for the civil engineer So I was looking at the site plan the utility plan and it looks like there's these two ginormous Because there's no other better word for it ginormous electrical volts on on I guess the southwest corner and where there would be potentially, I guess maybe a curb cut Depending on the other type of development. So that's what's prohibiting any sort of street tree Inclusion or any planting really at the end of the day. So tied to that question What about like the very bottom southwest corner? It doesn't look like there's anything there Hard to see on these ones. Um There's We have I think Four very large, um electrical volts on our property. They're also I want to say three two to three smaller volts within the public sidewalk and then in that south That southern southwestern corner. Um, there's also a giant telephone manhole Um, I'm assuming that's the circle with the e I'm seeing. Okay, perfect. Yeah, all right Yeah, I was I was kind of spinning with an idea that might help that corner But it's chockerbocked with utilities. So okay those are always larger than they seem so Cool. Thank you for that. Yeah, I can see why That led to putting nothing there. Yeah, unfortunately um, okay You asked about that For the for the bike storage adam asked a question about them being uncovered In terms of security and locking. Is that something that is provided by The building or would that be an owner provided thing just as per normal like the occupant if they're hanging their bike They're locking it up themselves kind of thing Um, these systems have a lockability feature that each person has control over access But you know the metal systems are designed so that the infrastructure is there. Okay, perfect. Awesome Yeah, I had a co-worker. I think her bike got stolen three times Downtown or something like that. Yeah, I mean kind of crazy. So I mean, I think people People in santa rosa and snowman county. I think by and large we have a fairly large bike community and so bike security is a Of paramount concern. I think people who potentially will live here will be like, oh great I can park my bike and I can ride my bike to work and I don't need a car and I think that's Those are all really positive things, but the security always I think I scratched my head about that one. That one's tough So in the design summary you guys talked a little bit about The concrete cap on the property And you kind of touched on a little bit in your presentation What sort of limitations does that cap for the entire site? How does how does that limit? Sort of site plantings and and site development in a way. Does that make sense? Because this is a lot of impervious surface and I think that's that's always a struggle is how do we divert water? You know from impervious surface is particularly If there's really not a lot of space to make it happen and with the proximity to the creek Does that is my question make sense? Okay, so I can start off. Yeah, I mean Jessica Brianna can comment on that Most of the site needs to be encapsulated It's a requirement of the of the water board There is some opportunity for you know for infiltration on the site which has been worked out with the water board And and with the city, but largely this is an urban project with a courtyard and the planting is in the form of planters On that on that space. That's kind of the The basic scheme But if there's anything else to add, please do Um, I'll add that Because of the limited amount of infiltration that we're Allowed to have We're prioritizing that for Biofiltration stormwater treatment So uh, Jessica's design is treating most of the roof water in the flow through planters that are against the building And then the surface water is being treated in those small planter pockets that are along the fence line So we're trying to It's there's a lot of constraints and we're trying to use those as best we can so the the The biofiltration planters on the ground floor or for all of the surface treatment. So Um, and Jessica, do you still have a curb along the property line? So also to keep all of the properties water on the site, there's a curb That's what the uh, when I was alluding to the Postmaster metal fence post those will actually be embedded in that curb And so that prevents water from draining because we have to drain away from the building But we can't drain across the property line So there will be a curb and the water will then go into those biofiltration in ground planters Well, thanks Verano Yeah, I think this is this is a really unique Property in the sense that it can't be handled in kind of the way that we would normally think about Biofiltration and and you know edges of the property plantings Trees, you know Fingered parking, you know ways that we would typically handle, you know treatment of our storm water and I mean, I think not only for For the board but also for you know anybody who watches this later members of the public like understanding The pgne constraints with capping The parcel with concrete is not something that you really can control on the development of the parcel, right? It's like it either happens or you don't develop property I think it's important to to to understand and that you have to figure out a way to Meet the intent of the code and the requirements To to not have a you know a swimming pool effectively Happen in a rain event. So thank you for that. There's another consideration here, too Which is I think germane from a design standpoint most big urban projects actually have Little or in most cases no ground level open space So we're making a virtue of necessity by creating that ground level space and trying to introduce as much planting This is apart from the hydraulics issue to introduce as much planning that is also consistent With the ingress egress and use functions of the space So we haven't tried to downgrade the amount of planning on the contrary. There's As you as you've noticed a very large number of planners In this project It and one more comment on that. Um, there are planters above the entries on the frontage and also in the courtyard. So those would be um balcony or they would be at the bottom of those first floor Or second floor really balconies and then we would have plantings that could Cascade down and also there's an opportunity to provide something that grows on the trellis structure. So there will be greenery introduced in that way Yeah, exactly. I mean then that I think that speaks to paul's kind of neo righty and component, right a lot of rights work Had biofilia integrated into it. Um, you know as part of that. So I think excellent cool All right. Let me go down my list here. Make sure I'm not doing comments. I'm doing questions Okay, so This is a little bit of a more challenging. I think question So I did an analysis of unit type by by floor um And I think a lot of it is I think by necessity of design in many ways, but I think um What has me scratch my head just a little bit is um, so When I talked with paul and hue earlier, um You know, they they assured me that the the ground floor units are all accessible Which is great, which seemed fantastic but I think There's a disproportionate distribution of unit typology On the ground floor versus the other floor and here's where I'm getting at this. So on the ground floor, there's 11 studios There's three one bedrooms and there's one two bedroom. So those are all the accessible units on the property On the second floor, there's 15 studios and four one bedrooms and zero two bedrooms And then on the third floor slash fourth floor, there's no studios. There's 13 one bedrooms and there's six two bedrooms So overall in the entire entire project, there's 26 studios There's 16 one bedrooms and there's seven two bedrooms so I guess My question is Is there a possibility to introduce one additional two bedroom On the ground floor and figure out how to flip flop with the upper floors in terms of Unit typology. Does that make sense? So an additional two bedroom accessible unit at the expense of Flipping something else it doesn't make sense So the third and fourth floors are all townhouses So there the comparison would really have to be between the first and second floors and the answer is Honestly, no and fundamentally. It's not a design issue. You know, that's a that's a programmatic function issue of our unit types Okay, all right I mean it is a design issue with how The units then reflect on the outside of the building, but I mean it that's a that's a fine question here or answer All right. I think that's it for questions So any other questions from anybody else that have been sparked? Okay all right, so at this time we will move to potentially a Resolution and so I'll be looking to the board for One of as a reminder we can do one of a couple of things one we can have a resolution to approve the project Uh, two would be a resolution to approve the project with some conditions And that can be started right away or we can do that through our Rosenberg rules process through comments on the project Another option would be to deny the project And then another option would be to continue the project to a date certain if the board feels that Uh, you know the package is lacking in any way. So just a reminder of the options that we have So looking to the board for any type of resolution at this time A question about that drew um Resolution with conditions. Do we I mean that's what we yeah, that's what we yeah So sometimes when we we say, you know like I move to approve the you know, blah, blah, blah, blah And then somebody has something very specific already. They'll say it right and say with the condition that They submit. Yeah xyz. Okay, right, you know, so we've done it that way that happens. It's very rare But we do it because I was going to make a resolution and then I assume there are going to be conditions but Okay, so I'll make a resolution of the design review board of the city of center Rosa granting design review approval for the 10 e street multifamily units located at 10 e street apn 009-063-029 file number dr 22 dash 057 and I will wave the reading of the text Thanks adam and that we'll be looking for a second from the board I second excellent. All right So we have a motion on the table for approval Uh, so we'll move towards comments on the design of the project and I am going to go over here to board member Jones carter for her comments on the project first I don't think I have any specific comments Other than what we have discussed Previously, so sure. So again, so if you're in so as an example if you're interested in that juliet balcony component I would bring that up and I'll take some notes and and then we'll circle back with the applicant and and see, you know If they can accommodate the request or if not, thank you very much for the reminder Um, yes, because that was very important to me that um, this project is Designed very tight and I would like to see The juliet balconies if possible Expanded so that they have an outdoor space as well In addition to the courtyard space Hey, excellent. Anything else comments on Introducing family space Okay The Courtyard space I'm just concerned and that it has it's it's quite tight and it has a lot of uses going on there um I don't know if there's any other options, but Seeing what we can do to Increase the outdoor usage space Would be a concern for me That is it excellent. Thank you for your comments So with that we'll move down to board member with rich for his comments on the project Thank you very much. Um No, I I'm good with the project. Generally, um I think the only thing that kind of pops out at me that I kind of Question or would want to see some some thought about so is um The location between the trash enclosure and the pergola the pergola is a it sounds like it's going to be a built-in structure Um, I don't know what its purpose is necessarily You know in this courtyard. It feels like it's just kind of there. Maybe it fills in as people find a use for it Um, just thinking that if someone wants to use this as a picnic area That I think that was described or a barbecue area Some sort of separation between that and the trash enclosure in some way if it was separation through planting or um Shifting the pergola away from that so that there's a bit of a different use from that area um Outside of that. I really don't have much uh on this one. I I appreciate you guys going through everything already and Providing a lot of clarity. Thanks. Thank you board member with rich um board member lip-tech comments on the project Well, I see that I made uh the mistake of making comments during the question That's okay. You can just make them again and I'll write them down. I don't think uh, and I have no no additional comments So no additional comments. All right Cool, and I think I wrote them down Yes, I did all right adam Your comments on the project sure, um Thank you, and thanks to my fellow board members for their comments And yeah, I um also wanted to commend the applicants for um Both giving the the context on the general developments around downtown because we do have plenty from your corporation And it's great to see how they're they're all fitting together. Um, and so um And uh, that there's there's the vision for that and Um, and I appreciated that context. I really appreciated the um The discussion of the design intent. Um, thank you for that as well It's great to get that that this um, you know, these developments are not just um Just a standalone projects. They do fit into the historical context in the cultural context too. And so um You know when we do get to see the the plan sets and the the public gets to see these These structures be built knowing that there is a strong foundation of design behind that too. And so really appreciate that. Um, you know For communications, um, also, um, thanks for a Lovely plan set. I really appreciate it. You know quibbles with um, you know typos and things aside. It's um, it's very thorough and What I I appreciate about what you brought us today is that you've communicated The intent very very well. Um, so thank you for that makes our our job. Um easier As you can hear from, you know, the the comments that um, it's it's a it's a well-designed project um, and I will also, um Compliment you on a well-designed project. Um and um Uh, I would uh, uh also like to um, um Uh, emphasize the uh, if there's the possibility of extending the julia balconies, um I would I would definitely support that um The setbacks and the easements aside knowing that there are lots of externalities um, and that's another compliment also is that you um, you've uh Designed out the site very well. Um with all of these just the layers of of um Complications and constraints that you guys have so Thank you for that. Um I appreciate the um, the design of the the building as well. Um with that the you know, the frank Lloyd Wright Nods, um, I do feel that this is um, I I really appreciate the the the roof line the horizontal roof line so so much of the articulation that we Um, we comment upon and that are brought to us are the kind of blocky modern Contemporary structures and this is is a refreshing to see um a different take on that, you know It's got you know core construction very similar But the form that you're you're you're bringing is um is innovative. I mean, I really appreciate that. Thank you um Uh, I think in general the the appearance um is is uh is is going to nestle Very well into the the leafy block that you guys are on there um So no um no feedback there uh My question about the bike parking um, and whether or not it was covered um Especially with with the amount of unity that you have and the size of the units if if you know the the bike parking that you You guys have proposed Is uh is we very useful for visitors But for residents who have you know, potentially they're storing their bike You know, they live in a studio and they want to store their bike um on the in the bike racks year round winter it's going to be um, you know We'll get lots of weather as we're getting right now. So if there is um a I don't necessarily think that all of the bike parking needs to be covered But if there's some just protection Um for the bikes themselves and it's not we're not I'm not talking bike lockers or An enclosure, but just something with an overhang something like that to keep the elements off of bikes that are stored all year round Yeah board member with rick also brought up Something I was going to mention with the bike parking and with the trash enclosure. Um And my plans just went away but uh, I wonder if there's a way to um To get gain some of that separation between the pergola the gathering area and the trash enclosure If we take the bike parking and move it towards the trash enclosure Um, you could even think of it as putting it in an l On the back of the trash enclosure. I know there's the door there. Um that you have proposed there But so some some bike parking on the fence some bike parking on the trash enclosure But if we move there it also brings kind of the entrance To see you come in through the doors. You've got your bike. You got your bag. You're coming home from work And do you want to walk, you know an extra 30 feet to the the bike parking or do you do that right next to the entrance? um, something to think about there, um, so potentially move in the bike parking and I would like to see some covered overhang as well um Oh, yes, just one other kudos, um Brianna when you mentioned the um, the plantings on the building themselves. Um, Uh, definitely like to see that detail that's in there And I think that that's a really great addition and with your description about Again frank blood right and having the leafiness and the biofilia. Um, I think this is um a great way to To to bring in some of the the the vegetation that we're not able to plant in ground And so I think it it it helps to soften that verticality and some of the the walls so um, again, again, I think it just speaks to the level of design intent and I commend you on that and That should do for my comments. Thank you very much Thanks, Adam Okay, so first off. Thanks for a pretty complete package I think there's a lot of Nuggets in here For us to chew on so thank you for bringing a quality project always appreciate that I think that's some of that you you you're you're very good at bringing a Full quality package to the board and so I appreciate that Very much, uh, so thank you Really, I mean most of my comments are We'll we'll see I really like the fact that you actually have Two entries, uh, two larger entries On the west facade. I think that really I mean you have a building entry and a courtyard entry And I think what's nice about that is it meets a design guideline in a kind of a unique way It's a 2.4 item 32 So when you have a 100 100 foot frontage, uh, the design guideline says every 50 feet provide a building entry So I think you've addressed that in a unique way by providing not only a building entry But also a courtyard entry because you've got an an actual building and then you have an Outside building if you will by creating a courtyard. Um, so I think that's a really Uh, interesting way to to meet a design guideline, but also kind of work within the constraints of the site um I think The only thing that I'm I'm scratching my head about is I'm wondering if metal Metal gates Make sense, um Not because I don't think that they will provide adequate security, but more so that I think I like the wood Um fencing so much that I feel like it's like, oh, well, why isn't it on the gates too? Um, so you could provide a you know metal security fence and then clad it in the wood I think that'd be really nice to just complete the Um, you know the courtyard although there is a drawback to that you don't you no longer have kind of visual Look from the street in so I think it could be something to consider as an option um I'm going to agree with board member with rich and in terms of the location of the pergola I think it might make sense to shift it To the east is I think what I heard from both him and adam um and then I'm lost in all my notes here. I apologize Uh This is I think more of an architect to architect comment paul, but um In all the galley kitchens the location of the range directly adjacent to the entry door feels awkward to me Um, and I think that ties maybe to adam's comment about bike parking I think because the units are so very small Um storage is going to be at a premium and I wonder if it makes sense to have a drop zone right there in the units And and that's something you can figure out later. I don't think we're going to add it to the conditions Uh or anything but um, it just was something that was spinning in my head And it may make, you know The ability to rent the units even easier like hey, there's there's a drop zone right here Or internal bike storage or something like that, you know, you're pretty tight on on the the units As it is So that may be a challenge, but it may be something to consider um uh So related to board member liptax comment about the The what amount to french doors effectively on most of the studio units on the both the ground floor And moving up I'm I'm I am concerned about the amount of natural light that's going to get into a unit that's 30 feet deep And only 13 feet wide and it's got basically six by eight Light light in it and and you've got some clear story windows in some locations um But I wonder if it makes sense to try to introduce An additional piece of glazing somehow Um, but that will I think mess with your rhythm Of the facade, right? I mean, there's a really nice organized rhythm to the facade. And so I think that's where I'm struggling from providing a lot of natural light to a very very deep space, but also How do you work that into the very organized arrangement Um Of the building, right? I mean, that's a that's a tough one to answer. I think um And then tied to that, uh, I I'm I'm curious about the You know kind of the fins that you've created on the front. I think that's an interesting design feature to try to create some verticality on the front facade and then obviously banned Um, you know the top with a different material. I think is really nice that that we're creating kind of the And I think also the top floor is set back a little bit in some locations Which is really nice from a massing perspective But um, you know, I think when I look at the 3d renderings, um, you know, the front facade feels very dynamic to me even though it is Still pretty flat Right, uh, because you've got kind of the brackets coming around the corners on the second and third floors You've got the recess on the fourth floor. You've got those kind of vertical fins that are in a different color I think there's something really unique and kind of special about that But then when we turn the corner onto the south side, I feel like It becomes really really really flat just specifically as we turn that corner Um, where you I think it's where there's bathrooms And you have the small square windows Um, I'm not really sure how to how to make that feel less flat other than An introduction of a fin or material Uh, does that make sense? But it just it feels like it because then it picks back up the the really nice rhythm when you get to the entry point of the Uh, what is it? I think it's the or rather the I get yes the two bedroom, right that entry point of the two bedroom and then you come around to the entry to the to the You know, you've really defined the entry to the communal space as well I think it's what's really cool about the courtyard elevation is that it's got that exceptionally defined entry With both planting and the fins and a materiality change even though it's you know, there's no push and pull Of your framing, right? and so but it it on that southwest corner it just like something's just Not working on Both corners southwest and southeast That makes sense And then it's interesting because the east elevation which is the rear elevation It doesn't have those square windows And so as it turns the corner it then creates the same rhythm that's happening on the front But in a different way that but still reads very well. So I think that's what's From an elevation point that I'm I'm struggling with that just a little bit I'm not really sure what the answer is Um, I really like all the planting all the varied planting heights, right? The planer box is how they're different heights different materials different plantings I think that's a really creative way to address such a constrained site I mean, I'm not sure I could have come up with a better answer here. I mean, this is a really really creative solution to a Very highly constrained site. So I think that's Really unique and interesting Um See what else here and then I think I think that's pretty much it for For my comments I mean the one well the one thing that we are going to have to I think condition is the fence If we want any changes on the fence because I think the design guidelines limit the fence to six feet Or the zoning code does one of the two So if we go over that we have to approve it Uh, but that would be as part of the package. Am I right? Let me confirm that because I think it's seven feet. But let me double check. Oh, okay Well, if it's seven feet great, then we're done Because I like I like the seven foot fence. Um, I think it's a nice balance between like going too high and then being Really low Oh, I do have one more comment. I'm sorry uh on The whole entire ground floor there's a So there's a design guideline that talks about steps and Since they're all accessible The step requirement is removed, right? But there is a design requirement 3.2 2e5 Which says and if I can find it I had it up here and I have since Lost it so I apologize Provides semi-private spaces at the entries to units in the form of a small sitting area with a low fence a porch or balcony And so the only thing That has Me wondering about the ground floor is While architecturally it reads very clearly unit Entry unit unit unit I think from a functional standpoint in terms of how one might use the ground floor in front of those units That's not very clearly defined and I think the way to do it would be to introduce A couple more planters or something that maybe box out Some of those entries that separate both Kind of you know, maybe like five feet or something like that of the You know the the tenant right that like that's their space for instance. Otherwise it becomes a little I think there's going to be a lack of ownership I think on that ground level because they don't they're not engaged with their own kind of you know the front stoop mentality, right? You know, I think everybody has a front stoop at their house or Their front stoop in their apartment, right a lot of apartment complexes have the the infamous Hotel setback right that like six inches where you get to a hotel room right and sets back The drop zone to put your groceries down while you unlock your door. I mean So I think that there's that piece lacks just a little just on the ground floor I think to try to introduce like something like that upstairs on the interior Is stealing space from your already small units and I wouldn't do that That makes sense So with that, I think we have so I've heard some conditions From the board and I I maybe have a couple As well and so I wanted to go over that and see what the applicant thinks about the conditions I think thank you all very very much So We would welcome three conditions And And also a couple what you might call considerations as you sometimes do Which also have have weight One is to provide that at least a portion of the bicycles are protected with an overhang related to the fence It makes good sense. We should do that Number two, we really can't convert on the west elevation those Juliet balconies To full balconies because they would encroach into the legal PG knees But we can do it on the other side of the building And if that's the desire of the board to do so we would certainly not not object and we would understand the reasoning Um, the third area, uh, is The idea of flipping the pergola and the Bike parking locations. It seems to make uh, make good sense and we would Welcome that that condition is as well, of course when I say welcome I understand you're going to condition the project as you think best, but just giving giving our reaction Um, then in terms of the considerations We spent a lot of time trying to figure out about how to define those ground level entries focusing on exactly the issue that you raised And it it may indeed well be that adding some additional defining planters particularly on the ground level entries that Have a relationship to the direct relationship to the courtyard where there is more space to do that Is something that that we would certainly, uh Strongly consider and if there's language that provides us with a little bit of design flexibility on that I I don't say why we would object at all to that as well um, then in terms of the issue of the southwest and southeast corner, uh If if We would also welcome being asked to look at that in connection with the the construction drawings more closely Uh as well Because we understand that consideration. I don't think we can respond explicitly in this This meeting to that But the the concern is one that we would look at very very closely and see how to accommodate So that's our response to your jerry. Yeah helpful comments. Yeah. No. Thanks. You um I mean so typically what what I try to do is I summarize What I heard from the board and we I mean, you know those works We have shals and we have considers right so a shall I've got a shell straight out of the box. It's an easy one um, but shall provide lighting plan boom Right light lumen levels, right? It's required. It's part of the deal. It's not hard to do But shall provide easy Simple straightforward to the point I consider to your point that would be An example would be considered the design of the southwest and southeast corners You know, I know paul really well paul's a great architect and designer I think if we say hey consider the design of these corners He's going to take a look at it if it works great if it doesn't the design that's been presented is is I think adequate I think in many ways the current design is of superior design and that's why I think At least I tend to get a little nitpicky when we've got such a high quality project I'm like man. Oh, what would be great is if we could do x or we could do y Um, and that you know, I think that's how I see it and so it's it is a project of superior design It does have foresighted architecture, which are all things that I think you know me in particular I'm always looking for I know adam. I think he's looking for that too and and our new board members will Continue to look through it for those things as well. So anyway So I'm going to summarize What I thought I heard is considers and shells And then we'll talk about it a little bit more and see if that works for you guys And then we'll see if we can Condition your project and get you off to the races here. Okay, so Uh, I heard like I said shall provide A light light layout right forget what we call it though in the in the Chair weigel. Yes Lighting plan sheet exterior lighting plan sheet. Maybe we can modify condition 12 to Better fit what you're asking for isn't it for lighting? Sure and in the resolution Yes condition 12 Let me find it Oh, well, no, we don't need to do it If it's there all exterior lighting shall be shown and specified on the plan submitted for issuance of a building permit in accordance with No, I think we're good I think just as long as staff knows that they need to submit an exterior lighting plan Which they're required to do So i'm okay with that. I don't think we need to condition it with and we're good But tied to that. I would say Just shall provide Cut sheet for planter lighting I think we have all the rest of the information, right? We've got the building lighting. That's the only piece that's missing And from what I heard from briana. It sounds like it's going to be a little puck light kind of thing with a downlight I think it'll be nice And it'll be I think what's really cool about that is it's going to provide really nice soft lighting That doesn't spill over to other parcels, but it's going to really create a lot of I think comfort and security with with kind of that lighting interspersed So they can be really nice. So shall provide cut sheet for a planter light And I may get these mixed up Which shalls and considers so I apologize I would say consider the introduction of full balconies on the west elevation Because I like you understand the constraints of a PG&E easement And so I want you guys to take a look at it and if it doesn't work Then it's just to consider and you've met the requirements, right? Um, and I think the same could be said for the Just me personally Consider full balconies on the east elevation And the reason I say consider Versus shall is I think If it doesn't work if it doesn't pencil for you because you've already looked at this From an economic standpoint, right? You know how much a balcony costs and if that doesn't work within the confines of your project Then I think it's it's potentially okay to to just have the julietz On the east side as well because then it it brackets The design I think pretty evenly unless you guys disagree with me, which you're welcome to If you'd like to change it, let me know I understood that That was a concession that you or condition that you were willing to make Um for one side So that would be my request To make that a shell as a okay, right? I would also like to see that a shell. Okay. Cool. Okay May I just comment subject to any setback limitations Just on the east side on the east side just in case there's something operating there that we're not thinking about at this moment That's a good point. Okay. So let's change it to shall convert balconies on east elevation subject to any unknown setback requirements Because you're right. There may be something we're not thinking about that prohibits you from doing that Exactly Chair may I ask a clarifying question about that? Sure Just uh with with the PG&E easement and and looking at the the west elevation, um, the the uh The eve does extend out and so does the above the entrance where the planter is extends out Um, do those do those not extend into the PG&E easement? We believe that the that the roofline is so high That that it would never be an issue for PG&E Sure. I hope so. Yeah Yeah, and I and I think adam tied to that I believe that there's a requirement that all new electric service has to be under grounded anyway So that may contribute to it as well. I mean, would you would you agree with that that all new electrical has to be under grounded? So PG&E may not even fact put anything up in the air moving forward Yeah, it wasn't some so much the issue of what they put in the air It's their concern for access to the infrastructure that's there Yeah, like craning one of those huge vaults or something like that. Just something. Yeah My my the reason why I asked is just in looking at that I'm wondering if those juliet balconies could be extended to where that the overhang of the entrance are is and the Eve for the roofline We We I guess I was confident That PG&E would would not raise an objection to the roof that is X number of feet up there But as we drop down closer and closer to the ground level we were asking for potential trouble Yeah, the why stir the pot. Yeah, I fully understand that But the above the entrance it's already extending out where the planters are Um, yeah, the the planters are movable No, but above the the front doors Hmm Adam's talking about the roof The roof planters over the front entry And that their x distance from the face of the building right there five feet Yeah, and if you if you look at a a 2.1 Um for the south courtyard, you can actually see it where the eve for the roofline We're working top down the eve extends that's 10 You have the dimension for the the eve Um and for that setback Um, uh, the the the stepped back setback that you have to do Um, but the then there's that extension of the eve and then if you go keep going down You know, you've got your juliet balconies that are you don't see on this This face there, but then where the planters are it's spilling out over. Um We're we're you're talking about the the the west elevation. Yeah Yeah, well, it's such a It's such a it's just a tiny little stub there Okay. Well, and that's one thing on the the plans. I don't see that dimension of how Big that is so yeah, I I think it's probably it looks like it's it looks like it's three feet and I about that Yeah, I mean, I think I'm come I'm comfortable personally with providing a consider for the west elevation because I think PG&E is a Unknown force in minutes, right? So we don't know if PG&E is going to say No, you can't do anything at all. We don't care too bad But I but we have a building entrance, right? They have to They have to provide rain cover for building entrances. I think it's actually in the building code Funny enough, but it's it's a shallower dimension than the than the actual full balconies that are shown on other elevations So I think they're five right paul most of the balconies are five So I think providing them a consider that says hey the board is interested in balconies on the west elevation But we understand there's an unknown You know elephant in the room being PG&E Let's let them figure that out and if they can improve it great But I mean if you want to add a consideration for like a minimum dimension or something I think that might be oh no No, this is and this was not meant to to bring in any anything else to the condition itself But in but I it was more just looking at that That there is that room to play with but your rationale was that PG&E wouldn't allow it But there is over the entrance which is Below the second and third stories and so you got that but going above it's something to to look at But not to add any complexity to the condition at all. Yeah, I wonder you know I'm curious too like I mean if PG&E comes back and says no, you can't even do that That entry then they're gonna have to push the entry in to the building and that's yeah, yeah No, and I get and I also know that you have Yeah, it's sort of what PG&E says goes so, you know some of this honestly is just from 40 years experience of knowing You know what the gray areas are with PG&E for example, what's really going to get under their skin and what's not Of course, yeah, so you're right. They could who knows what they would say for sure But I think it's I think it'd be fine. Sure. Yeah, yeah, definitely But yeah, you're hearing five board members wanting to see that explored. So sure. Yeah from a designs Okay, perfect. So are you comfortable with leaving it as a consider? Yes, okay cool All right All right Shall relocate The pergola on the south property line To the west Dimension of your discretion Which we don't need to put in there, but shall move pergola to the west or east. Sorry Did you get that Sorry, not to the not to the east property line. Yeah, sorry just shall move reactionally pergola on the south property line To the east eastward East eastward, I think that Meets the intent of what board member with rich and Sharon we're saying is that right Shall provide Covered bike parking is that nebulous enough or I mean does that's too specific like all bike parking must be covered Um, let's see what the applicants think um, yeah, I just didn't want to say enclosed but Covered, you know some some kind of overhang is is is is fine. We can we can sort sort that out. It is after all on the fence. So yeah So just shall provide covered bike parking you're okay with that Okay, cool Shall provide covered bike parking and then uh, second consider related to that is Consider alternate bike parking location That's not about right It's nice and big Okay, um shall provide On building planter detail Right I hear that right adam. Um, I don't think that was a condition I had yeah I thought you were yeah, you wanted to see how that all worked on building planter detail Yeah, the front the west elevation the the planter that's On the west elevation there's not really a detail in the set for that Um, sure unless I misheard you. Yes, please detail would be great. Okay That's easy enough right breanna, okay Sorry, was that for the planter did you said planter detail? Yeah shall provide On building planter detail at west Elevation or west entry. Yeah, I think what carlo. Let me see is calling it the hanging planters It's your hit hit your speaker there We always have to be on mic roof roof blade with planter above storefront is what it says In who are my first floor a 1.1 First floor plan Is that what you're referring to? Yeah, I think what adam's talking about is it's actually on carlo I may see is sheet four of five and it's their number Sorry letter c And it's actually pointing to concrete And there's not really a Photo or a diagram of how that operates on sheet five of five. Is that about right adam? Yeah, does that make sense for a member lip-tec? Yes, it does. Okay, perfect. Can you now repeat that? Sure All right shall provide On building planter detail As shown on west elevation above main entry I think that's a clear way to put that Probably should term it hanging planter hanging planter on building just to be consistent. Oh, it's on Oh, it's on the it's on the south side too, isn't it? It's above west and south courtyard west and south entries Thanks, pranah. Did you get that christening? Okay, cool Consider redesign of southwest and southeast building corners I think that's Vague enough that you can play with it and if it works great and if it doesn't you've got you've got a good design um shall provide definition Of ground level unit entries And that's it. I don't want to make it. I don't want to tell you what to do Whatever you guys want to figure out to make it work is is okay So it's just shall provide definition of ground level unit entries And I could we could quote the design guideline if we want to but I think does that give you a flexibility to Whether it's a fence a planter Furniture your choice. Sure Okay Oh consider alternate design Of security gates to incorporate wood fencing So maybe it's a little bit of wood at the bottom metal at the top You know, whatever works And then this may be a little self-serving but consider Consider addition of Consider additional two-bedroom unit on ground floor, but it's consider so if it doesn't work doesn't work so Now can we read those back make sure we've got them good Make sure all board members agree with them And then we'll circle back with the applicant to make sure they that they're okay with them So the first suggested change would be to modify condition number 12 for lighting to include a cut sheet for planter lighting Consider balconies on west elevation Consider on east elevation Oh, let's go back to that one. So consider balconies on west elevation That's one and then I think the other one would be consider balconies on Sorry shall provide balconies on east elevation And then I we said something about subject to requirements subject to Setback requirements subject to unknown easements. That's what I wrote subject to unknown easements. That's good. Okay unknown easements or setback requirements setbacks. Okay The next one was shall move pergola eastward away from trash enclosure The next one is shall provide covered bicycle parking Consider alternate bike parking location This one was difficult for me to follow but shall provide On building planter detail As shown on west elevation I think west and south. Yeah, I got a better way to do this. I think I was thinking about it Shall provide Hanging planter detail Okay At west and east building entries Sorry west and south Okay west and south On west and south elevations And those are above the entries, right? Yeah west and south building entries. That's what oh, okay Yeah, build west and south building entries. I think that covers the whole thing Because that's those are the only two like building entries Consider redesign of southwest and southeast building corners Shall provide definition of ground floor unit entries Consider alternate design of security gates to provide wood fencing Consider additional two bedroom unit on ground floor I would say the only concern I would have as as staff reviewing this later And perhaps not remembering this moment Is what you mean by consider redesign of southwest and southeast entries and what I should be looking for Oh, sure. Okay, final design of you. Yeah. No, no, no, that's a good point So I was thinking And maybe another board members welcome to chime in here As I was kind of babbling to paul As the building turns From the west and east elevations It becomes flat for about I don't know 20 feet and then we get to the actual glazing entries Where the rhythm kind of picks up and so there's it just becomes very flat With how the building is articulated at that transition that the transition is very different Actually, it's the same on the north side too my bad So it should be all building corners, I guess, but it just becomes a little bit flat and I just I don't know the answer With how to address that And I but I think paul does I'm already sitting you're sketching some ideas. See exactly So there you go. Could um christine could could we incorporate? At the end of what you've written to say to maximize four-sided architecture Or something like that because that's like yeah, I think that's a good way to do it more interesting But we don't say that's a good way to do it. What's something on it? Yeah I mean because I don't know what the answer is. I don't know if it's materiality. I don't know if it's introducing thickness I don't know if it's window layout. I don't know what the answer is it just Everything else is working just so nicely and so rhythmically it just it feels like a strange interruption At the corners, so I would change it to all four corners. That would be the only thing Can you reread that one? Thanks Consider redesign of all four building corners to maximize four-sided architecture I like that. Do you guys like that? Okay, cool. Can I ask one question about consideration number five, which is alternate design of security gates Do you want to simply say to incorporate wood or do I mean right now you have incorporate wood fencing? That's what I think that's what she wrote. Yeah, what do we have there? I had to consider alternate design of security gates to provide wood fencing I think the point of the comment was the Carlisle Macy's done such a great job of The wood fence design and how it transitions from horizontal to vertical and so on and so forth And it's really thoughtful about how they're turning the corners Which is actually probably one of the best fence designs we've ever seen As long as I've been on this board and so I just wanted to find a way to Give direction to the applicant team that says hey your fence is awesome Sprinkle it into the security gates consider alternate design of security gates to incorporate wood though Wood fencing rhythm Well, that's good. Yeah, I like that. That'd be great. Yeah That makes sense christine and it's a consideration in any event. Thank you. Correct. Yeah. Thank you. Great. Yeah That's a better way to write that Hey, what's next? That was all I had Did I mention the two bedroom unit on ground floor consider additional? Okay, I wasn't sure that was the last condition You know what we forgot to consider the window thing The daylight into the units do you want to take a stab at that board member lip-tech to write that? You know, I'm looking at what's here. I'm thinking they've been thinking about this Which is true still we can say consider Um ways to incorporate additional natural lighting period, I mean In units Maybe in units Actually, I think it's a good blanket statement. I mean because there's Ultimately, there's only the lobby I mean in the lobby is actually small square footage compared to All the housing that's being provided and I think So I think leaving it kind of blanket is probably okay. I don't know the only thing I could think of was to to to To the the kind of the intention of the the condition that we want to bring the light deeper into the units somehow, but I don't know if that's necessary consider Uh the incorporation of additional natural lighting deeper within the units Deeper within housing units. Just I think to bring light deeper. Yeah, it's the deep. You're right. It is the deeper thing so Good luck with that Yeah, I mean really the only ones that don't have that Concern are the corner units. It's really these studios, but to be fair The living spaces are towards the outside and the spaces that really don't need stuff are deeper such as the bathroom And the laundry area so I mean there's a nice sort of interplay between What you would want to have with lots of natural light versus what really doesn't need it But I think you know summarizing it and and asking for it within the confines of you know Take a look at it if it works out great. If not, what you have is okay Yeah, I think it's really important to bring up And to look at a little bit more, you know, because the same thing caught my eye too, but I thought it was It's just architecturally how to have these units and they go in deep so Okay So you got that one now Consider ways to incorporate additional natural lighting deeper within housing units. Perfect. All right, so Applicant team as read. Do you have any issues with any of those? Ones you don't think you can meet No, there's there's there's no issue. We appreciate the items that are prescriptive And we take seriously the items that are discretionary and permissive We'll look at all those and and And take it very seriously so that The construction drawings that are submitted and of course that's You know the planning department has to sign off on those We'll reflect That process of consideration Cool, excellent. So with that, we'll bring it back to the board Board, do you guys have any issues with any of the conditions as read by senior planner tummions? No, all right Okay, I guess we're ready for a vote. It sounds like So Oh wait, we need to amend. Thank you. Sorry Okay So we need to amend the motion And so typically what we would do Is someone who is not the motioner or the seconder or the chair So that leaves you two folks down at the end You need to make a friendly amendment to incorporate The conditions as read by planner tummions and that and that'll do us Okay, so I'd make a motion to amend the existing Uh Friendly amendment a friendly amendment. Yes I know Uh to the resolution as read That's it. Yeah, so all right. So motioner, do you Do you accept the friendly amendment? I do accept that All right, excellent. And then seconder. Do you accept the friendly amendment? Yes, I do. All right, perfect So now we have a motion we have an amendments now we can go to a vote. So recording secretary. Let's have a roll call vote on Dr 22-057 Board member jones carter I board member libtak I Board member sharon. Hi Board member with rich I chair weigel I That passes with five i's and two absences All right. So thank you very much applicant team. We appreciate it. You have an approved project Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Appreciate all your thought Thank you and thank you for bringing a really good project Can't wait to see it get built. So finish the forestry project then build this one, right? Thank you both very much And with that we are on to item nine, which is adjournment. I believe right So with that we stand adjourned