 pulls you out. There you go, see? The anointing pulls it out. Goodbye! Goodbye, see? See? Go! Go! Anointing pulls it out. See? See? See? See? See? See? See? See? See? See? See? She's just Christ of Nazareth, a generational curse. Let me rephrase that, because they're folks are going to be like, you're being prideful. I hate talking to Christians sometime, because the moment we should have a demon, because I am I am thoroughly, docturally prepared to have that. Welcome everyone to the BCV channel. I am your host, Pastor Seco Woods. Please do the following. Please like, subscribe, share, hit the notification bell at the bottom of this video. That way whenever I go live and post any content, you'll be one of the first to view it. Also, if you have been blessed by this ministry and have been encouraged by this ministry, first and foremost, thank you so much. We do appreciate that. 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That's right. Do you have a demon? Do you find yourself being demon-possessed? Do you find yourself waking up at night with green stuff coming out of your mouth? Do you find yourself crawling on all fours, barking like a dog? Do you find yourself doing the Harlem Shake for no apparent reason whatsoever at all? Then you may have a demon, but you've come to the right place, because I will show you in the next two hours how to be free from demons with your own new Pagani 101 Deliverance Ministry Pack. That's right, your Pagani Deliverance Ministry Pack. Yes. I have it in my possession, and so I want you to have it in your possession, no pun intended. If you are like me and you believe that demons exist, then maybe just maybe this class that we are going to learn today is just for you, being delivered from demons. Didn't know that it would cost anything. It didn't cost me anything to ascertain this copy of Pagani's Amazing Church 101 Deliverance Ministry Pack. It was given to me as a gift, and so I want to bless you all with the gift as well too. Yes, absolutely. So what I want to do right now, I'm going to share the screen. I hope you all have your pen and your paper handy and ready, because we're going to be in for a treat. I did tag Mr. Pagani to make sure that he would be able to, if there was any questions, because I don't want to misrepresent Mr. Pagani in any shape, form, or fashion at all. Absolutely not. But here it is, ladies and gentlemen, the Amazing Church 101 Deliverance Ministry Pack. That's right. All right, so let's get into this. Let's learn how we can conduct these Deliverance Ministry classes. Yes. Yes, Redeem. This has to be a master class. That's what I was thinking. As you can see, this is an official document. The letterhead Amazing Church 101 Deliverance Ministry. No, Tyra, this is not a premiere. This is live. This is not Memorex. This is live. Yes. So 101 Deliverance Ministry, let's get started. Introduction. Got to have introduction. Deliverance is a means of resolving personal and spiritual conflict, which have kept you from experiencing the freedom and victory Jesus Christ purchased for you on the cross. Your freedom will be the result of what you choose to believe, confess, then for a sake. This process of reestablishing your freedom in Christ is nothing more than allowing the Holy Spirit to help you make a commitment to truth. As you go through this process, Satan and his demons are under no obligation to obey your thoughts. So ladies and gentlemen, you got to go through the process now. In order for Satan and his demons to not have any obligation to obey your thoughts, you got to complete this class. You got to go through the process, the Pagani pack. Now, what I'm going to do as I'm reading this, and I hope you will as well too, I'm going to read scriptures. I'm going to make sure that what Mr. Pagani is saying aligns with the word of God, because that's what we're supposed to do. That's what we're called to do, right? We're to be Bereans, so let's be Bereans and see exactly what Mr. Pagani is saying if it is true or not. Now, he contingents says, only God has complete knowledge of your thoughts in mind. We can submit to God inwardly, but we need to resist the devil by verbally renouncing, forgiving, and confessing, et cetera. You have nothing to lose by going through this deliverance process. If you are sincere, the only thing that can happen is that you get very right with God. Now, I thought we were already right with God at salvation. I thought. I thought when Christ saved us, then that meant that we have been placed in right relationship with God. At least that's what the Bible tells us. Therefore, being justified by faith, we have what? What do we have? What do we have, class? We have peace with God. Peace with God. God is no longer angry at us. We're no longer his enemy. So we have his peace. We're in right relationship. We're in right standing with God. He says, he gives an introductory verse. When an impure spirit leaves out of a person, it goes through errant places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, I will return to the house or person I left, Luke 11, 24, verses 25 and 26. He says, focus on spirit's returning. Now, before we go to this text, because I want us to be observers of the scripture. But I want to read two passages of the scripture in his introduction that he must not have remembered or cited. And that is Colossians chapter 1, verses 13 through 14. Paul writes, for he rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son. In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Do we all see that? This is what the father did. For he, that is God the father, rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son. So that carries on quite a few implications. Number one, if God the father has transferred us from something and placed us somewhere, then that presuppose what we once were, we were under the dominion and domain of that one thing. And what was that? The domain of darkness. We were under Satan's rule. We were under Satan's realm. We were under Satan's authority. We were children of darkness. But God is the one who rescued us. He took us from the, I like to use the term slave market of sin, from the slave market of sin and of Satan's dominion in the realm. And he transferred us. And notice, God is doing all of these things. Man is doing none of it. He has nothing to do with being placed from one kingdom to another. God the father rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son in whom we, who's the we? Believers, his redeemed, his elect in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sin. So that means, ladies and gentlemen, that means that you and I, as children of God, we are not under the dominion power rule auspices of the evil one. We are now in the kingdom of his beloved son, Jesus Christ. Isn't that not good news? Isn't that good news? I mean, we shout and get excited about a lot of things, but rarely do we get excited about what God did. I mean, about being elected, by being adopted, by being transferred, moved from one place a place of demonic domination to a place of divine blessing. It's good news. It is good news. It is great news. But also, we see in Colossians one, 13 and 14, right? What God did, he transferred us from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of his beloved son. And that means now that Satan has no authority over us, right? That's what it means. That's the second thing it means. Satan has no authority over us. Why? Because we are under a new kingdom. We have a new master, right? So we now choose to give the enemy a foothold. We now choose to obey either God, the flesh, or the devil. We have that ability now. Prior to that, that's all we did. We were slaves of sin. Satan was our daddy. And until God came and ransomed us, rescued us, and redeemed us, we were Satan's property. But now, not trying to be like Kurt Frank, but now we're God's property. Yeah, we belong to him in a redemptive sense, in a salvific sense. So with that being the case, that means that Christians cannot be demon possessed. How do we know this? Because the text says he transferred us. Verse 13, he transferred us. He rescued us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son. Question, can you show me in scripture anyone who has been transferred from darkness to light and now has been possessed by darkness, yet they are still in the kingdom of his beloved son? Cause anybody show me a scripture that proves that? Apparently, Mr. Pagani and Isaiah Salavar and others will tell you that it is possible for a Christian to be demon possessed. But my Bible tells me it is impossible for a Christian to be demon possessed based on this text right here alone. Just on this one. I haven't even gotten to anything else yet. I just want to look at Colossians 113 to 14 right now. I just want us to muse. This muse on his text. Let this verse right here, these two verses, marinate in your spirit for a second. He rescued us from the domain of darkness, from the control, the rule, the kingdom of darkness. And then notice what he did. Notice what he did, he transferred us. Look at these action verbs. Rescued, transferred. Amazing y'all. And he says, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. And who? In Christ. But not only that, not only that, in James chapter five, we also see James gives a prescription for the believer. James shot the five verses 13 through 16. He says, is anyone among you suffering? Then he must pray. Is anyone cheerful? He used to sing praises. Is anyone among you sick? He must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. Therefore, confess your sins or confess your faults to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. Listen, James, he gives us some prescriptions. James had brother Jesus, right? He gives us, he gives us prescription. The apostle here, pretty sure he's seen his share of some demons. Would y'all agree? And notice what the text says. Is anyone among you suffering? He must pray. Anyone cheerful? He used to sing praises. Anyone among you sick? He must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over them. Notice what the text didn't say. It didn't say, is anyone among you with a demon? Is that what the text says? He says, right here, is anyone among you sick? Astonette, oh, without strength, weak, feeble. It didn't say demonically possessed. It says, is there anyone among you sick? And notice what we're to do. He says, he or she must call for the elders of the church. Notice, plural, not just the pastor. This is why I believe in elder rule. He says, they must call for the elders of the church and they, again, plural, and they are to pray. It didn't say cast out. I'm just, listen, I'm just looking at the text. Right along with y'all, right? I mean, we're just in an introduction so far. I'm gonna try my best to try to speed this thing up, but I wanna make sure that we get all that we can from this Pagani pack, okay? Because according to the introduction, deliverance, we wanna be delivered, but I just read to y'all in Colossians 1, 13 through 14, we've already been delivered. So then, who is this deliverance for, Mr. Pagani, Mr. Sal Levar, and whoever else? Who is this deliverance for? It can't be for the believer. It looks like we've already established that fact that this verse and the one proceeding, the one I just gave you all, cannot be for the believer. Why? Because God already delivered us. I almost feel like shouting. I'm almost ready to shout. I'm ready to run out of this studio and run out into the street because I'm getting it. I don't know if y'all are getting it, but I'm getting it. I know what God has done. I know what God did, and I know what God is continuing to do. God is a deliverer. Therefore, if God is a deliverer, then that means that you and I experience the delivering power of Christ through His blood by the power of the Holy Spirit every single day. And there is no believer. Thank you, Jeanette. Thank you for running for me. We got a runner. We got a runner. We got a runner. Thank you. Cause I feel like running right now too. I ain't lying. I really do. But if God is a deliverer and we know He has delivered us, then what is Mr. Pagani talking about in the introduction alone? Listen, just in the introduction, he's telling us that let's go back to the screen. Let's go back to the screen. He says, deliverance is a means of resolving personal and spiritual conflict, which you have kept you from experiencing the freedom and victory in Christ, Jesus Christ purchased for you on the cross. Well, wait a minute. I'm already delivered. I've already been set free. Your freedom will be the result of what you choose to believe, confess, forgive, renounce and forsake. This process, he says, of reestablishing your freedom in Christ is nothing more than allowing the Holy Spirit to help you make a commitment to truth. As you go through this process, he says, Satan and his demons are under no obligation to obey your thoughts. And this one is to see the verbiage here. But let's get back to the scriptures, which is the real authority, right? James says, if anyone among you sick, call for the elder to the church. They ought to pray, notice, they ought to pray, not casting out anything. They ought to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith, the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, not demon possessed, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. Therefore, in light of what James has said, confess your faults, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another. He's talking about accountability, mutual accountability amongst the saints. Confess your faults to one another and pray, he says, for one another. We definitely need that. And pray for one another. You may be here. Listen, the effectual or the effective fervent prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. Can I just ask one question? Let me go back to my screen for a second. Can I ask you all one question? Do y'all consider Alex Pagani and Isaiah Salivar righteous men? Because the qualifier here, the text says the effective or effectual fervent prayer of the righteous, available as much. Maybe that's why they keep getting demons coming back and forth for, you know, recast. I don't know, just saying. Because my Bible tells me the qualifier for my prayers being answered is number one, have to be his child. And John 931 says, and we know that God doesn't hear sinners, but if anyone is God fearing and does his will, him he hears. Is it possible? Is it possible? I know Pagani says he's a Christian, but I know Isaiah Salivar says he's a Christian. I know these people say they're Christian. I know they got their quote unquote world premiere movie. Come out. In Jesus' name, I think it's what it's called. What it's called, come out in Jesus' name, whatever it's called. I don't think ET is gonna be picking them up and doing any reports on them. If they do it, maybe for tabloid purposes. I don't think TMZ is gonna be following Pagani anywhere around unless they're just mocking Christianity and using them as props. But anyway, that's their position, right? So Pagani looks like, to me, based on the literature that he is holding to a position that Christians can be demon possessed. Now we know that unbelievers can because unbelievers, they have nothing to contain them, to control them, to hold them. They already belong to Satan's kingdom. So that means if he believes that Christians can be demon possessed, and although he'll tell you and I that he doesn't, but his own literature betrays and denies the very thing that he tried to tell me on Instagram a week or so ago. But let's look at the text that he was talking about. Let's go over to, let's go over to Luke again. I'm just gonna give you, let's go over to Luke. And we'll look at the verses that he mentioned, Luke 11, 24. And we're gonna look at the context. Luke 11, 24 to 26. It says, when an unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest. And not finding any, it says, I will return to my house from which it came. And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order. Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits, more powerful or more evil rather than itself. And they go in and live there. And the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. Now, what is the context of that? Here's the context of it, right here. Again, the Pharisees, the Jews, they are falsely accusing our Lord of having a demon. He's casting out demons verse 15 by Beelzebub, the ruler of demons. Verse 16 says, others to test him were demanding of him a sign from heaven. But he knew their thoughts and said to them, any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste and a house divided against itself falls. If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebub, and if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Verse 21, when a strong man fully armed guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. But when someone stronger than he attacks him and overpowers him, he takes away from him all his armor on which he had relied and distributes his plunder. He who is not with me is against me and he does not gather with me, scatters. Now you see the context. Now do you see the context? Jesus is not casting out a demon from someone who belongs to him. It's from someone who does not. When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, that presupposes, then he didn't have the Holy Spirit within him. When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places, seeking rest and not finding any. It says, I will return to my house from which I came. And when it comes, it finds a swept and put in order. Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits, more evil than itself, and they go and live there. And the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. So then that means simply this, Mr. Bagani. Your premise for what you're using, this passage in your document, exegetically it fails miserably because this is no way of showing that a Christian can be demon possessed. Now, yeah, unbeliever, of course. But it doesn't show also in scripture where pastors, I just gave you James chapter five verse 13 to 16, a person is sick, have illnesses and things like that. No one is scripture to talk about the early church doing exorcisms and let alone, and let alone scheduling exorcisms, scheduling delivering services. Can you show me a passage where any of those things happen, Mr. Bagani? Can you show me in scripture where the church scheduled a deliverance service? Can anyone show me anywhere in holy scripture where churches scheduled deliverance services? This was unheard of. This is foreign to the text of scripture, absolutely foreign. But let's continue on with the document. Let's see what else Mr. Bagani has to teach us today. Deliverance teaching, generational curses, word curses, family curses. Let's look at it. Below are some biblical truths that will help you gain an understanding of deliverance. The lesson below highlights different kinds of generational curses, the importance of forgiveness, I guess meant to say forgiveness, and deliverance, honestly, during the process of deliverance and repentance. Generational curses, generational curses. Generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins of their ancestors in a family bloodline. There are three types of curses that affect both believers and non-believers. Do you see that? I told y'all, this dude is a liar. Bagani, you're lying, bro. Remember you said in the Instagram that you don't believe that, know that you teach that Christians can be demon-possessed. If I'm cursed upon these things, what does that imply? But we're gonna unpack your statement, okay? Because the last thing I wanna do is charge you with something that you didn't say. I'm gonna let your own words condemn you. Generational curses. He says, generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins of their ancestors in a family bloodline. There are three, he says, types of curses that affect both believers and non-believers. So I believe Ezekiel 18 knocks that out the park. I believe it does. Let's see if Ezek knows more about what God's word says than Bagani does. I'm not gonna read it all, but I'm gonna read a portion of it. Ezekiel 18, then the word of the Lord came to me saying, what do you mean by using this proverb concerning the land of Israel? Notice, notice, I'm not trying to upset anybody. I'm not trying to piss anybody off. I'm not trying intentionally, and I'm not trying to intentionally offend anyone, but I have to say this. I have to say this. Here's the reason why I have issue lovingly speaking with my charismatic and my amillennial brethren. Here's why, because both groups want to be Israel when it's convenient. I know, I know. Some of y'all about to log off right now, but that's fine, that's fine. Just hear me out for a second. I'm letting the text say what it says, okay? It says here, then the word of the Lord, verse one came to me saying, what do you mean by using this proverb concerning the land of Israel? He didn't say concerning the church, concerning the bride of Christ. He says concerning Israel. He's talking to a nation. He's talking to a particular people group. He's not talking about the church. Saying, saying what, Lord? The fathers eat the sour grapes, but the children's teeth are set on edge. What does that mean? He's about to tell us. He's about to explain it in verse three on down. As I live, declares the Lord God, you are surely not going to use this proverb in Israel anymore. Behold, all souls are mine. The soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine. The soul who sins will die. That's the explanation of verse two. The fathers eat the sour grapes, but the children's teeth are set on edge. Meaning that the child catches the flag for what the father did, even though the son had nothing to do with what the father did. It's the father who did the wrong. So the father is the one who's going to be responsible for the wrong he did. Now, there's a difference between curses and consequences. We understand that, right? There is a difference between curses and consequences. Let me give you an example. I can do something that'd affect my family and my family had nothing to do with my particular sin or crime. Now, if I go to jail or if I do something wrong, then my family's going to experience the consequences of that, but it does not mean that they are cursed. It simply means that what we do affects other people, but can I go back for just a second? Can I go back to the garden for a minute? Let's go back to Eden. Let's go back to Eden for a second. I ain't trying to be Donald Lawrence, but let's go back to Eden for a second. We need to dispel one other rumor. Adam and Eve weren't cursed. The ground was cursed. Satan was cursed, but praise be to God that God didn't curse man because if he cursed man, then yes, there would be no way for us to be redeemed. God knew what he was doing. Yes, Adam and Eve were judged. Adam and Eve were disciplined. Adam and Eve received the consequences and due punishment for their sin. Their willful sin and infraction. Notice, out of verse six, we know the story. We know the story. When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes and the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from his fruit and ate. And she gave also to her husband with her and he ate and he ate, but notice the sin didn't come into who sin? To Adam's sin, because Adam was our federal head. He was our representative. Notice the text says right there in verse six, she took from his fruit and ate. Nothing happened yet. And she gave also to her husband with her and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. We see God coming up on the scene. He pulls up on them. He says, verse nine, where are you at? Adam, where are you? He's not speaking geographically, ladies and gentlemen. God is omnipresent. He knows what everybody is. He's speaking spiritually. Where are you now with me, Adam? You just created a chasm, bro. He said, I heard the sound of you in the garden and I was naked because I was afraid, so I hid myself. He said to you, he said, who told you you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree which I commanded you not to eat? The man said, the woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree and I ate. Blame shifting, we know. Verse 13, then the Lord God said to the woman, what is this that you have done? And the woman said, the serpent deceived me and I ate. The Lord said to the serpent, because you have done this, notice, cursed are you. Do you see the personal pronoun? Cursed are you. He pronounces curses. He pronounces the curse on the serpent, not on our progenitor, Adam. Cursed are you more than all cattle and more than every beast of the field. On your belly you will go and thus you will eat all the days of your life and I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He should bruise you on the head, you should bruise him on the heel to the woman. I would greatly multiply your pain and childbirth and pain you should bring for children, right? Verse 17, verse 17, you know what he says, he tells Eve, yeah, you gonna wanna be in charge and all of that, right? Yet your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you. Verse 17, then to Adam he said, because you have listened to the voice of your wife. Yeah, Adam was the first weak male and don't act as though you wouldn't have done it either because it was only two of them in the world too, so stop it. Don't be so arrogant and thinking, man, shoot. If that were me, I wouldn't have done that. Okay, we always wanna armchair quarterback when we ain't in the situation. But God tells Adam, because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree which about which I commanded you saying you shall not eat from it. Notice, notice, cursed is the ground because of you. Can I just highlight that for a second? What did God curse? Did He curse the man or did He curse the ground? Did He curse the man or did He curse the ground? Cursed is the ground because of you, Adam. But wait a minute, we can just skip to chapter four because we know Satan was cursed but guess who else was cursed? Cain, he murders his brother. Verse 11, now you are cursed from the ground. But see, here's the difference. Adam was our representative, Cain was not. God cursed the ground because of what Adam did but God cursed Cain because of what he did to the ground. Do y'all see that? Oh God is smart. God is more than smart, God is all wise. God knows, praise God, He didn't curse Adam because we will always be in trouble to this very day. So I'm trying to understand what Pagani is talking about with this cursed thing because again, if we go back to Ezekiel, hope y'all are all right. If we go back to Ezekiel 18, he says the soul who sins shall die. Verse four, behold, all souls are mine. The soul of the father as well as the soul of the son as mine, the soul who sins will die. We all know the examples that the Lord gives through the mouth of Ezekiel, right? But I wanna look at another text. Let's look at Galatians chapter three because I want you to see some inconsistencies with what Pagani is doing here. Notice what Christ did again. Do y'all see this? I'm highlighting it for so make sure y'all see it on purpose. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law having become a curse for us. Why? For it is written, cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree. Is it possible? Is it possible? That Mr. Pagani does not have a clue what he's talking about. It sounds deep. It sounds like he's bringing it. Yeah, to those who don't know the word. To those whose theology is not solid. Praise God, Monica. Let me get a little man. Can I get a little man? Can I show a little man some love? She said, even my eight-year-old said, Satan received the curse and Adam and Eve received the consequence. Tell you a little man, I got something for him right here. Hold on, here we go. Here we go, y'all. Here we go. For the Miles of Babes. The Bible says Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. So that, I'm just knocking out each category, okay? Generational curses is already knocked out because there's Ezekiel 18 in Galatians 313, right? Let's look at some word curses. Oh my goodness. Let's go back to the document, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go back to the document. Thank you, Case Woe. Appreciate it. Praise God. Thank you so much. Let's look at some word curses. This is based on the one-on-one Deliverance Ministry by Alexander Pagani. Courtesy from one of his own members. I'm laughing because, again, I don't have to look for the stuff. People give me this. I mean, anyway. Gee craze, people gave me his stuff and now Pagani's people give me stuff. But anyway, word curses. Word curses. The Bible says, death and life are in the power of the tongue. Word curses occur when a person of authority pronounces a curse or negative words over your life. Example, you're good for nothing, et cetera. Then he cites, then he cites Joshua 626. At that time, Joshua invoked this curse. May the curse of the Lord fall on anyone, excuse me, who tries to rebuild the town of Jericho at the cost of his firstborn son. He will lay his foundation at the cost of his youngest son. He will set up its gates. Now, I want my Bible readers to tell me, because I don't want to give you all the cheat codes, if you will, because I trust your discernment. I trust your Bible, observation, knowledge. I trust your Berean spirit. Can you tell me what's wrong with Joshua 626 and why Pagani is using why I'm saying it's wrong? I'm not saying what Joshua's saying is wrong, but can you tell me why I disagree with why Joshua 626 is in this document to support the word curse that Pagani believes that it happens when someone over authority, of authority pronounces a curse or negative words over your life? Can anyone tell me why I disagree with this before I even tell you all why I disagree with this? Because it's right there in the text. It's right there in the text. If someone can just tell me why I disagree with Pagani regarding this statement, I would appreciate it before I even, before I go into it. I don't want to take too long now. I want you all to take too long because I want to go ahead and move on with this. But it's right here. It's right here. And you all are going to see a consistent pattern as we go through this document. You're going to see a consistent pattern as we go through this document on why this is, this is isegesis. This is unbiblical. This has nothing to do with us at all. I just kind of like gave you all the answer right there. But I'm looking for something a little bit more specific. So let me just tell you, it's right there in verse 26 of Joshua 6. He says, at that time, Joshua invoked this curse. May the curse of the Lord fall on anyone who tries to rebuild the town of Jericho. He's not talking to us. This was a particular curse for a particular person who violated a particular order or rule. Joshua said, may the curse of the Lord fall on anyone who tries to rebuild the town of Jericho. Why? Because they had already sacked it. They already invaded it. They already came in and overthrew it. We're not, we're not Israel. We're not Israel. By any stretch of the imagination, there's no Jericho for us to overthrow. So again, this whole misapplication of the scriptures, it just really, it really, it should bother all of us. And I know for most of us it does. And oh, by the way, the death and life are on the power of the tongue. When Solomon is talking about, he's not talking about you and I having creative words. It just simply means this. Ladies and gentlemen, it simply means this, that we have the power to bless and to curse people by what we say. And when I say curse, I'm not talking about invoking damnation upon them. I'm saying as the Bible teaches and about the Bible says that we as believers, remember James, remember James, he says, with the we bless our Lord, the tongue, we bless our Lord and at the same time we curse the ones made in the Imago day. So our words have the ability to build up and to break down. That's all it means. The more you and I talk, the more you and I run the risk of either helping or hurting people. That's all it means. It does not mean that you and I have creative power to create our own reality. That is foolishness. That is mind sciences. That's word faith, garbage. That has nothing to do with scripture, nowhere at all, none, period. But we do have the power or the ability to encourage or discourage others. Am I making sense? Are y'all getting what I'm saying here? We do it all the time. We do it all the time. Case in point, when you all give me compliments, like the brother had mentioned how he liked the layout of the channel here, that was an encouraging word. That really did something to me. I don't even know the person, but that was an encouraging word. But conversely, it's true too. When somebody comes in here trolling and trying to throw jabs and all that sort of kind of stuff, that can affect people too. That's why we have moderators. Am I making sense? Am I bringing the cookies down? Thank you, Janae. Edifying words versus discouraging words. That's all that means. So, let's look at some other texts, okay? Under this word, curse category. Because according to Bagani, he's saying that you and I have the power to curse people. Because whoever has the authority has the ability and the power to curse someone. Listen, if that's true, we got some siblings that are younger brothers and sisters and they've said some things to us, boy. And that has nothing to do with anything. Right? So, let's look at numbers. Let's go to the word. Numbers 22. Numbers chapter 22, verses six through 12. Man, I need to speed up. I need to speed up. Now, therefore please come, this is a bail act trying to tell Balaam to curse Israel. Notice, notice, he says, let me just give you some context. Let me give you a little bit more context. Then the sons of Israel journeyed and camped in the plains of Moab beyond the Jordan opposite Jericho. Now, Balaam, the son of Zippor, saw all that Israel had done to the Amorites. So Moab was in great fear because of the people, for there were numerous and Moab was in dread of the sons of Israel. Moab said to the elders of Midian, now this horde will lick up all that is around us as the ox looks up the grass of the field. And Balaam, the son of Zippor was king of Moab at that time. So he sent messengers to Balaam, the son of Bior at Pethor, which is near the river and the land of the sons of his people to call him saying, behold, a people came out of Egypt, behold, they covered the surface of the land and they are living opposite me. Now, therefore, please come curse this people for me since they are too mighty for me. Perhaps I may be able to defeat them and drive them out of the land for I know that he whom you bless is blessed and he whom you curse is cursed. So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand and they came to Balaam and repeated Balaam's words to him. He said to them, spend the night here and I will bring word back to you as the Lord may speak to me and the leaders of Moab stayed with Balaam. Then God came to Balaam and said, who are these men who are with you? Balaam said to God, Balaam, the son of Zippor, king of Moab has sent word to me. Behold, there is a people who came out of Egypt and they covered the surface of the land. Now come curse them for me, perhaps I may be able to fight against them and drive them out. God said to Balaam, do not go with them. You shall not curse the people for they are blessed. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, you can't curse anybody who God has already blessed. Christians, you and I as believers are blessed by God. We are, matter of fact, we have been blessed with every spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. That's what the Bible says. That's what the Bible says. But let's see what else the Bible also says about these types of word curses that Mr. Pagani talks about, right? Cause context is key, context is key. Let's look at Proverbs, chapter 12, verse 18. There is one who speaks rashly like the thrusts of a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing. You see that? I mentioned that kind of earlier. Proverbs 15, verse four. A soothing tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness or perversion in it crushes the spirit. Chapter 18, verse 21. I mentioned that earlier as well. Death and life run the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat its fruits. In other words, the consequences. What we say carries consequences. Does that mean you and I carry any creative power or force? Can I give you another one? Many people don't even remember this verse, but it's in a word. It really is. Lamentations, chapter three, verse 37 to 38 says this. Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the most high that both good and ill go forth? Do y'all see that? Some of y'all need to mark that down in your Bible. God says, who is it that speaks? You and I don't have any creative power? We don't have any creative authority to do anything. God says, who is it that does this and it comes to pass unless I command it to be done? God is boss. He's a shock caller. You and I are nothing. We can't create anything without words. Not one thing. James chapter three, I mentioned it earlier but I wanna cite it. James chapter three, we started verse five and we ended at verse 12. James gives an example on the power and the perversity of the tongue if left to itself unchecked by God, right? He gives examples of ships and animals. Yes, that was Lamentations chapter three. Lamentations chapter three verse 37 and 38. Lamentations three, 37, 38. So, he says verse five. So then, so also the tongue is a small part of the body and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire. And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity. The tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the whole body, the entire body and sets on fire the course of our life and is set on fire by hell. That's the motivation. For every species of birds and bees and birds and reptiles and creatures of the sea is tamed and has been tamed by the human race but no one can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. With it, that is the tongue. With it, we bless our Lord and Father and with it, we curse men who have been made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, notice he's talking to Christians. So it's a possibility that you and I as Christians can use our mouth and we have to bless and bash others. He says from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things are not to be this way. Does a fountain sent out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water? Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives or vine or a vine produce figs? And we all know that James is asking rhetorical questions knowing that the obvious answer is right there. No, it can't. No, a fresh and bitter water can't come from the same reservoir. It can't. Vines and figs don't produce olives. And so he says, nor can salt water produce fresh water. Let's look at these family curses. Let's go back to the family curses now. So far, the guy near striking out. Family curses, a family curses the judgment of God passed down from one generation to another because an individual family chooses to walk an open rebellion against God and ignores commandments. We already read Ezekiel 18. We know the story of Ezekiel 18. He gives examples. If a matter of fact, let's just for the sake of those who may not, if y'all all right with that, let's go back to Ezekiel 18 for a second. Let's just do that. Because there may be some people who don't know. There may be some Pagani people in here who don't know what Ezekiel teaches and what it actually says. So bear with me for the sake of those who may watch this. Who need to know the truth about these so-called generational curses, word curses, family curses among believers who have already been saved by the power and spirit of God. Where the red versus one through four. Let's think of verse five. You see who gives examples. But if a man is righteous and practices justice and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel or defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period, this is all ceremonial stuff now, right? If a man does not oppress anyone but restores the neighbor, I mean, the restores to the debtor rather his pledge does not commit robbery but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing. If he does not lend money on interest or take increase if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man if he walks in my statutes and my ordinances so as to deal faithfully, he is righteous and he and will surely live declares the Lord God. So notice this person is living right. He's doing what God's word commands. This is under the old covenant that has nothing to do with work salvation. Ain't gonna have to do with that. Nobody that I know believes in work salvation. Our works give a testament that we are saved though. But anyway, that's another lie for another time. Hopefully young God reborn aka seven month old heard that challenge to him. Howl at me. Verse 10, then he may have a violent son who shares blood and who does any of these things to a brother though he himself did not do any of these things. That is, he even eats at the mountain shrines and defiles his neighbor's wife oppresses the poor and needy and commits robbery does not restore a pledge but lifts up his eyes to the idols and commits abomination. He lends money on interest and takes increase. Will he live? He will not live. He has committed all these abominations. He will surely be put to death. His blood will be on his own head. Now behold, he has a son who has observed all his father's sins which he committed and observing does not do likewise. He does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel or defile his neighbor's wife or oppress anyone or retain a pledge or commit robbery. But he gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing. He keeps his hand from the poor. Does not take interest or increase but it executes my ordinances and walks in my statutes. He will not die for his father's iniquity. He will surely live as for his father because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was not good among his people. Behold, he will die for his iniquity. Yet you say, why should the son not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity? In other words, Pagani, that's what Pagani's saying. Yet Pagani would say, I'm just paraphrasing verse 19, y'all, yet Pagani would say, why should the son not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity? When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has deserved all my statues and done them, he shall surely live. The person whose sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity. Nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity. The righteous of the righteous, the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself. And the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. Do we see this? Do all of us see this? Well, brother, that's in the Old Testament. No problem. Let's go to the Newden. Second Corinthians chapter five, verse 10. Second Corinthians chapter five, verse 10. Paul says, for we all must appear before the judgment seat of Christ. He's talking to believers. The bane of seat. Why? Why we gotta be there? What's happened at the seat, Paul? So that here's the purpose why we gotta appear at this judgment seat, where we all will. Ain't none of us gonna miss that appointment. That's saved. So that each one, each one, do you see that? Each one, do y'all see this each one right there? It's in the singular. In other words, I'm not going for my son. My son ain't going for me. And my son ain't going for his son. And I ain't going for my son's son. All of us, each one of us, if we are saved and have been washed in the blood of Christ, we will give an account recompensed for his deeds. Each one's deeds in the body according to what he has done. You see that right there? Singular in the Greek. It's singular. It ain't plural. It's singular. Ain't that good news? So that counts as out CRT right there. That counts as out white guilt. There may be some white brothers and sisters who have been guilt-tripped in thinking that you are responsible for the sins of your ancestors when, oh, by the way, Anthony Johnson had enslaved black folk and he was a black man in this country. But I know that ain't the time or the place. I know, let me shut up. Let me shut up there. Let me get back to the text then. I just thought I would just add it in there for my white folk and my colors. But anyway, he said so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body according to what he has done, whether good or bad, whether good or bad, each one, each one, each one, every one of us. But wait a minute, let me give you one more New Testament text. There's more, but for the second time I just gotta move on. Romans chapter two. Verse one through 11. Therefore, you have no excuse. Every one of you who passes judgment in which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you who judge, practice the same things. And we know that the judgment of God rightly, rightly falls upon those, rather, excuse me, who practice such things. But do you suppose, oh man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and you do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you think lightly of the riches of his kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? Verse five, but because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart, you are storing a wrath for yourself in the dead wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. Who will, verse six, who will render to each person according to his deeds. Verse seven, to those who by perseverance and doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life. But to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek. But glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good. That's the qualifier. To the Jew first and also to the Greek. Verse 11, for there is no partiality with God. Do you see that? But let me go back to verse six for a second. He says, who will render to each one each person according to their deeds, right? Psalm 62, 12, and loving kindness is yours, O Lord, for you recompense a man according to his work. Proverbs 24, 12, if you say, see, we did not know this. Does he not consider it who weighs the hearts and does he not know it who keeps your soul? And will he not render to man according to his work? God knows, he judges rightly. For the son of man, Matthew 16, 27, for the son of man is going to come in the glory of his father with his angels and will repay every man according to his deeds. Somebody need to be set free from this demonic lie that you pay for the sins of your ancestors. Consequences are one thing, but curses are a totally different issue. We all are the result of consequences, but if you are a believer, you cannot be cursed because we're in Christ. Let's go back to the document, cursed objects. He cites Numbers 14, 18, just above cursed objects. The Lord is slow to anger and filled with unfailing love giving every kind of sin and rebellion, but he does not excuse the guilty. He lays on the sins of the parents upon their children. The entire family is cursed. Even children in the third or fourth generation, we already see that that was debunked. Ezekiel speaks to that, cursed objects. Cursed objects. Cursed objects are items that belong to demons that give them legal right. Notice what Pagani is saying, legal right to attack your home, family, and residence. Example, horseshoe over the door, blessed beads, elephant statues, et cetera. And then he cites Deuteronomy 726, do not bring any detestable object into your home for then you will be cursed just like them. You must utterly detest such things for they are set apart for destruction. I don't think horseshoes were in mind when Moses was warning the nation of Israel. But nonetheless, nonetheless, then that says a lot about our country brothers and sisters who went to the taxidermy and got those animals chopped their heads off and they got them in their house for decoration. Just saying, context is key, ladies and gentlemen. The question is we need to ask ourselves, who is Moses talking to and what is he talking about? And if you're saying that this applies to the church, then I need BCV for that, Mr. Pagani, because it doesn't, it does not. It really doesn't. But let's continue on to the next page, forgiveness versus bitterness, page two. We need to forgive others in order to be set free from our past and to prevent Satan from taking advantage of us. Second Corinthians 210, he says. We are commanded to forgive others just as your heavenly father has forgiven you, Colossians 313. Forgiveness is the essence of Christianity. Forgiveness, he has him big, bold, black letters. Forgiveness is not optional, but mandatory. You must forgive, he says. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me take a sip of our H2O. Mr. Pagani, is that what the Bible says? Now, let me just switch screens for a second. Let me switch screens and let y'all see my eyeballs for just a moment. We'll get back to the document in just a minute. This is gonna be one of these lessons, and I believe I've already discussed this in addresses before, and if I have, then I won't unpack it as much, but I wanna make sure that we understand what the Bible says about forgiveness, okay? Because there are some of you I've talked to, there are some of you I have talked to, and you have been taught and have been told, and I have even been told in churches that you and I must forgive, and without any qualifier, there's no qualifier we've been told that we just automatically must forgive, period. Full stop, point blank. Question, is that what the Bible actually says? Does the Bible actually teach that we must forgive regardless whether or not the person that has sinned against us asks to be forgiven? There is a difference between being unable to forgive and refusing to forgive, two different things, and I'm gonna show you biblically the difference between both situations. Number one, if we're to forgive the way God through Christ Jesus forgave us, how did God through Christ Jesus forgive us? Tell me, class, I don't wanna give away the notes. If you know it, let's just have a little review because somebody needs to hear this. Somebody needs to be set free from this. How does God forgive us? Because that's the standard, that's the model. How does God forgive? Be great, you nailed it. Confession of sin, confession of sin. God forgives us when we confess in repair. That's when he does it. So Paul and the apostles are not making this up when they say, when James says confess your faults to each other and things like that so you may be healed and when Jesus himself, and I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you both, I'm gonna show you both texts and this will pretty much will knock out this whole section on forgiveness that Mr. Bagani is talking about, all right? Matthew chapter 18, Matthew chapter 18 gives us an example. Matter of fact, Jesus does. Jesus gives us an example on what forgiveness is and what it is not. Matter of fact, he gives the example of an unforgiving person. Not a person who is unable to forgive but who is unwilling to forgive. And we all know this text, but some may be here, some may be from Bagani's church that are being told and being taught that you just must forgive. And you know in your heart that that ain't right. There's something, it can't be, and this is why a lot of people struggle and they're fighting in their soul because they know, wait a minute, I want to, but this person, you gotta forgive and you've heard this lie, that forgiveness is not for the person, forgiveness is for you. No it ain't, I didn't sin against me. I didn't do nothing wrong to me. I wasn't the one that sinned against me. I didn't cuss myself out. I didn't cheat on me. I didn't steal from me. I didn't sin against me. They did. Or he did or she did or they did. So forgiveness is not for me. Forgiveness is for the other person. And we know that's true because that's what the Bible said. That's what God says. Forgiveness ain't for God. Forgiveness is for us so that we can be restored to God. So if that's true and the vertical is true and the horizontal. Man, I hope I'm making sense today. Because far too many people are being told and to be honest with you, I don't believe it's intentional. Then I believe it's an issue of ignorance or being uninformed. How can you be restored if a person does not ask to be forgiven? How can this be even, how can resolution or a sense of resolve be made when a person refuses or have been told, you gotta forgive me. You gotta forgive me. You gotta forgive me. But God doesn't do that. God doesn't do that with us. He says we're to forgive in the same way God the Father forgave through Christ Jesus. Repentance simply means to turn. That's all it means. Metanoia, it means to turn, to change one's course, to change one's mind. That's all it means. And God has to grant us that because apart from it we would never repent. We would never turn for my sin. Yeah, that's not biblical. You said you was told I was angry and bitter because I didn't see the logic or the scripture for this. And there was nobody I needed to forgive. I mean, again, forgiveness is not for you. It's not for me. It's for the individual or individuals who have sinned against us. We should have an attitude and disposition to be ready to forgive. That's different. But once forgiveness has been sought, once forgiveness has been requested and asked, then you and I are under biblical obligation to forgive. But forgiveness does not, also it does not mean the restoration of responsibilities or relationships that you and I may have squandered either. Man, I may have to do another live on this one. I may have to. I may have to. Because I really believe somebody got to be set free. Somebody got to be set free from this. There are many of you who are being taught in churches today that you must just forgive. And then they mangle Matthew 18. They mangle the scriptures. They mangle Matthew 18. They mangle Luke 17. They mangle these texts. They misapply these texts and make it say something that the scripture does not say. So let's go there. Let's go ahead and look at this. I'm trying to finish this, y'all. My intention was just to blow through this packet. It really was. And I still want to forgive yourself. That is so psychological. That's psychobabble. That's psychobabble. The Bible doesn't teach that at all. There's no way in scripture that the Bible said about forgiving yourself. It says forgive one another. Never ever says about forgiving ourselves. I can touch on that real quick. And matter of fact, I read it in Matthew 18. Because that would be dealing with unforgiveness. That would be dealing with unforgiveness. And I'll cite another text as well. But let's go to Matthew 18 first, verses 21 to 35, I believe. Matthew 18, 21 to 35. The passage is regarding forgiveness, right? Based on the document, Bagani says forgiveness is not optional, but mandatory. That's what he said. It's not optional. There's no other options. In other words, forgiveness is unconditional. And I know a lot of Christians who believe that. The problem is that it ain't biblical. Verse 21, then Peter came and said to him, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him up to seven times? Jesus said to him, I don't say to you up to seven times, but up to 70 times that he's speaking about an innumerable amount, not 490 times. He's talking about innumerable times. As many as many times they ask to be forgiven, sincerely forgiven. Verse 23, he says, for this reason, he's the reason why? For this reason, the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wish to sell accounts with his slaves. When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him 10,000 talents was brought to him, but since he did not have the means to repay, his Lord commanded him to be sold along with his wife and children and all that he had at repayment to be made. So the slave fell to the ground, prostrated himself before him, saying, look at this key word y'all, saying, let me highlight it. Saying, have patience with me and I'll repay you everything. And the Lord of that slave fell compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him 100 deneride. You see the disparity? He owed 100, this guy owed 10,000. That's how I like this one. 10,000 talents, the other man owed 100 deneride. Once a day's wage, see that right there? A deneride is a day's wage, 10,000 talents, 15 years. Y'all see that? A talent was worth more than 15 years wages and he was forgiving much. This guy only owed a day. The other one owed 15 years, a lifetime pretty much. But that slave went out, found one of his fellow slaves, verse 28, who owed him 100 deneride and he seized him and began to choke him saying, pay back what you owe. So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him. Notice, notice right there. Saying, have patience with me and I will repay you. Wait a minute. Ain't that the same thing you said, bruh, up here? He said, have patience with me and I'll repay you everything. Bunny down here said, have patience with me and I will repay you. But he was, here it is. Unwilling, that's the key word. That's the key term. Unwilling, it was not that he couldn't forgive, he refused to forgive. It was not that he was unable to, he refused to. Do you see that? But he was unwilling, went through him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. So then his fellow slaves, when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved, came reported to their Lord, all that had happened. Then summoning him, his Lord said to him, you wicked slave, see, unforgiveness, unforgiveness, not the inability, but the unwillingness. Are y'all hearing me? Not the inability to forgive is wickedness. No, the unwillingness to forgive is wickedness. He says, you wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave in the same way that I had mercy on you? And his Lord moved with anger, handing him over to the torturers and so he should repay all that was owed him. My heavenly father will also do the same to you if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart. Did we see that? The context determines the interpretation. It is unwillingness to forgive that is sin, not the inability to. Here's what that means in practical everyday language, okay? I am unable to forgive somebody who is unwilling to be forgiven. Does that make sense? I'm willing to forgive you when or if you are willing to ask for forgiveness. And it ain't just, well, I'm sorry, please forgive me. No, no, no, you had to look at the mannerism. You had to look at a person's attitude in their heart to see if they are truly broken over their sin. So being unable to forgive and being unwilling to forgive are two separate issues. Let's go back to the text. Let's look at Luke 17, three through four. I hope I'm helping somebody with this and hopefully you will leave that, your comments in the chat or below this video if you're watching this later, because I know somebody needs to hear this truth. Luke chapter 17, verse three. Be on your guard. If your brother sins, rebuke him. Look at here, and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sends against you seven times a day and returns to you seven times saying, I repent, forgive him. Now, I know some of y'all are thinking, well, wait a minute now, what you talking about? So this dude just come back every time he's sending is me, the context that Jesus is talking about is if this person sins against you, if and when we are sinned against, this person is truly repentant, we should always be in the posture to forgive. But the qualifier is they must seek forgiveness. Are we getting this? Are we grasping what the scripture says? What does the scripture say? It does not mean, listen to me y'all, it does not mean that there are not consequences to broken relationships or people that have squandered and have violated a trust. It does not mean that. It just simply means you and I look at the individual and the situation, and you and I can tell by the spirit of God, we can tell when a person, for the most part, it's genuinely broken and sorry and sorrowful over what they've done. And it takes time. Some things don't just happen by us most. Some things are gonna take some time to work out. I gave y'all the example from Pastor Albert and Martin who gave a series on forgiveness. I encourage you all to get it. It's on sermon audio. I would encourage you to listen to the series entitled forgiveness on sermon audio Pastor Albert and Martin. If you have not heard that series, I would tell you right now, you need to listen to that series. It would change your life. I promise you, I guarantee you it would change your life because he speaks and talks about how in relationships and in relationship with people, whether they're marriage or just in friendship, trust takes time to be built, right? Trust is built over time, but trust can be lost in one moment in time. And it may take a long time for that trust to be rebuilt. And that's true in any relationship, right? So again, if the person comes to you seven times in a day and says, I repent, he says, forgive him. Now, again, he's speaking regarding situations. He's actually speaking in a sense to where if this comes in our lives, our attitude should be what the Lord says in verse four. Thank you, sis. Good to see you, my sister. Good to see you, Diana. Y'all go subscribe to my sister's channel too. I ain't playing. Subscribe to my little sister's channel. But let's continue on. Let's continue on. Let's move on. Am I making sense so far? Let's look at Ephesians chapter four. In verse 32, Ephesians four, verse 32, he says, be kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving each other. How? How? How did God forgive us? Well, think we're out of know, right? Just as God in Christ also has forgiven us. Let's look at Luke, Luke chapter 23. In verse 34, we know the story, Jesus is on the cross. He says, and when they came to the place called the skull, there they crucified him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. I hear people always use this one verse to say, see, see, Jesus forgave. No, that's a prayer. Jesus was in the posture and attitude to forgive. He prays to the father for the father to forgive these people who are murdering him, who are killing him. He didn't look at the text. The text didn't say, Father, I forgive them. The text didn't say to the Jews or to the murderers, to the Romans, you are forgiven, y'all are forgiven. They didn't say that. It's a prayer. It's a prayer. It's showing Christ's disposition toward those who were killing him. Bro, you're not getting my notifications. Mother, email me, email me your contact information, your number, and I'll be sure to get it to you. Sacred Woods at yahoo.com moderates. We can put that in the chat. I'll populate it on the screen, but I'm not surprised. That even applies for my super chats. People are telling me they're not getting the super chats. I'm not getting the super chat that they've been sending. So, but yeah, I'll make sure that I emailed it to you as well. There's the email right there, brother, brother servant. Sacred Woods at yahoo.com. Thank you, sis. Sacred Woods at yahoo.com. So we see Jesus, his attitude and disposition, it's a prayer. He says, Father, forgive them for they know that. What they're doing. But look at this. Let me show you what forgiveness is, though. Oh, this is beautiful, y'all. Oh, thank you, Lord. Look at this, y'all. I'm trying not to shout. I am really trying not to shout. Man, look. Verse 39. Don, you gonna have to help me because I know you feel like shouting with me too. I know you do. Listen, listen. Verse 39, Luke 23. One of the criminals who were hanging was hurling abuse at him, at Jesus. Saying, you gotta be a cold-hearted cat to be hanging on a cross, nails in your hands and in your feet. You got that much, you have that much energy and stamina and gall to hurl insults while you are dying too. Man, listen. If that don't show y'all how wicked the heart can be, I don't know what else to tell you, but let's continue on. Let's continue on. He says, one of the criminals who were hanging was hurling insults, hurling abuse at him, saying, are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us. But the other, verse 40, but the other answered and rebuking him said, do you not even fear God? Since you are under the same sentence and condemnation, and we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve. Oh, here it is y'all, come on, come on. And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds, but this man has done nothing wrong. Ah, man. Verse 41, this man has done nothing wrong and he was saying, Jesus, look at this, look at the attitude of the other thief on the cross. And he was saying, Jesus, remember me. When, oh, listen, he was saying, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. This man had faith. Do you hear me? And he said to him, that is Jesus. Listen, he said to him, oh, Lord, thank you. He said, truly, show enough, today, truly, I say to you, today, you shall be with me in paradise. Do y'all see what takes place right there? You see faith and you see forgiveness. Verse 42 and 43. Who can forgive sins but God? The Bible says, Jesus, who is God? Who is God? He says, today, he says, truly, I say to you, wait a minute, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait y'all, go back up for a second. Go back up for a second. Wait, wait a minute. Verse 34, he's praying for the abusers. Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing. Wait a minute. Jesus, Jesus, how come you didn't forgive them yet? Come on, we know the answer to it, do we? How come Jesus does not say, he did not say in the text, father, I forgive them and he and the father are one. He has the same authority as the father. Why? Come on, somebody show me the answer. Oh, David, you got it, bro, you got it. Man, you about to get one here. Come on, here it is. Come on, here it is. Wait for it y'all. That's why, that's why. That is why, because they did not repent. They didn't repent yet. They didn't repent yet. They did not repent yet. And listen, it's not that Jesus could not have done it, but they did not do what they were required to do first. And that is to repent and ask to be forgiven. Acts two hadn't happened yet, but here we see this man. There's confession right here, verse 41. There's confession and, listen, there's confession right here. Repentance right here and forgiveness. Confession, forgiveness, repentance, verse 42 and 43 right there in the text. This man recognizes that he sinned. He recognized that he deserves what he is, what he's receiving. He knows the faith that he now has received. God gave it to him. Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus says, today truly you shall be with me in paradise. Oh, I wish somebody got there like I'm getting it y'all. Oh, I wish somebody's getting it like I'm getting it. Maybe it just feels good to me, but that's okay. Because we know days later, many days later, and Acts two, these same people, these same murderers, and Acts two, 37 to 38, after hearing their indictment, the text says, now when they heard this, when they heard the charges that Peter gave to them, they were pierced to the heart. And they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, what brethren, what shall we do? Peter said to them, repent and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Change your mind of how you think and what you thought about this Messiah that you murdered. And then give public attestation of your faith, publicly declaring that Jesus Christ is your Lord by being baptized. Yeah, you've publicly been denying him, now publicly devote yourself to him and before the world through baptism. Let's go to the rest of this document here. Y'all good? I said we can just blow through this, but I'm just gonna read through it for the second record. Forgiveness is a choice since God requires us to forgive is something we can do, it's something we can do. It is an act of your free will. Forgiveness is agreeing. You're going to live with the consequences regardless so choose to do so with the freedom of forgiveness, not the bondage of bitterness. You don't forgive someone for their sake, he said, this is Pagani saying, you don't forgive someone for their sake, you do it for your own sake so you can be free. We already read the scriptures that doesn't line up, that don't jive with the scriptures. Forgiveness is releasing. Revenge will help, excuse me, revenge will keep you in bondage. You choose to let them off the hook, off your hook, but they are never off God's hook. He's a God of justice, he will deal with them fairly. Yeah, forgiveness is releasing once they confess and repent, but not before. Forgiveness is acknowledging, if your forgiveness doesn't visit the emotional core of your life, it will be incomplete. You must acknowledge the hurt and hate. Forgiveness allows God, I guess, to bring the pain to the surface and deal with it. Forgiveness is in the feeling, he says. Forgiveness takes time to heal once the choice of forgiveness is made and Satan has lost his place. See, there's a lot of conjunction, I mean, conjoining of other things that should be there. Yes, feelings will take a time to heal once forgiveness has been axed because we are emotional, we are human beings. That's just true. And no, we shouldn't take revenge. That's true as well too. He says forgiveness is not forgetting. That's true. When God says he will remember our sins no more, it doesn't mean that he forgets. God is all-knowing and he cannot forget, but what remember our sins no more means is that God will never use the past against us. But forgiving, excuse me, is the result of forgiveness. And that's true. That's true. When a person is genuinely repenting and asks for forgiveness, we don't bring that up in their face anymore. That aspect is true. Then he says in his document, as names come to mind, write them down, write them on the deliverance form. Deliverance form. At the end of this list, there are, or there is, thoughts against myself. Forgiving yourself, he says. Notice, this is biblical. Forgiving yourself is God's cleansing and forgiveness. Sometimes we also have thoughts against God. Sometimes we hide angry feelings toward Him. Towards Him. Even though God cannot commit sin, but we need to renounce false expectations and thoughts about God and agree to release any anger we have toward Him. What? God doesn't need forgiveness. Let me just make sure that that's clear. Hopefully he's not saying that. Because when you say forgiveness is releasing, you know, your third point, under forgiveness is agreed. Yeah, Dinah. Dinah. Do you see this? You see this? You need to get your Pagani pack. Do you have your Pagani pack? I got mine. One of his members gave it to me. Oh, let me read that again. He says, even though God cannot commit sin, but we need to renounce false expectations and thoughts about God and agree to release any anger we have toward Him. Who wrote this was supposed to be Pagani. I mean, Pagani is the pastor, aka Apostle there, right? Self-appointed, by the way. Let's go to the next page. Our next section. Secrets versus honesty. Secrets versus honesty. Hiding secrets can destroy and hinder your deliverance process. The Bible is very clear that God desires that we walk in the truth in light of His word, Psalm 51.6. When David lived a lie and hid his secret sin, he suffered greatly. But when he finally acknowledged the truth and confessed it to God, he found true freedom. Proverbs 28, 13, people who hide their sins would not prosper. But if they confessed in turn from them, they will receive mercy. Satan and his demons are like insects that live in the dark where the light of God's presence hasn't penetrated. Secret sins are like rooms in your house that say, do not enter. Ezekiel 8, 7. Then he brought me to the door of the temple courtyard where I could see a hole in the wall. He said to me, now son of man, dig into the wall. So I dug into the wall and found a hidden doorway. Go in and see the wicked and detestable sins that they are committing and they're in secret. God wants to set you free from the guilt of your secrets. Has anything happened to you that you've never told anyone? Example, rape, incest, et cetera. Have you done something that you deeply regret and never told anyone? Example, in a fair abortion, et cetera. Are you carrying the guilt of someone else's secret that you have never told anyone? Example, family secret, et cetera. My question is, why do I gotta go to you? Why do I have to go to you for this? That's my question. Why do I have to go to you, Pagani? Why do I gotta go to a class? Why do I have to go to a class? Your class, your deliverance class. And he gives you some, he put some requirements in this class too. I'm gonna share it with y'all shortly. But again, because my scriptures don't tell me I gotta go to you or anyone when I see a matter of fact. Let's see what David says here. Psalm 32, and he uses some of the same passages but just out of context, of course. Psalm 32, verse three through five. David said, when I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long. For day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer. Salah, I acknowledge my sin to you. Not to Pagani, not to a deliverance ministry. I acknowledge my sin to you. And my iniquity, I did not hide. I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord, not to amazing church, not to a quote unquote wanna be apostle, not to a confession booth. He said, I, David says, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord. He didn't even go to a prophet. He says, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord. And you forgave the guilt of my sin. So that isn't, listen Pagani, what happens now when they give all your, when you give, when the people give them all your, the information to you? So you're the deliverer, huh? You're the deliverer, you're the one who is able to set them free. Because again, this is, this is, you're saying this is what there to do coming to your class in these, in these sessions. I mean, from what you're saying, that's right. Notice he's confessing to the Lord and not offering forgiveness to the Lord. Come on sis, let me give you one. Let me give you one. You deserve it. Here we go. Hold your ears. Amen. Yes ma'am. God don't need forgiveness y'all. He's the, he is the forgiving one. He's the forgiver, not the forgiving. Let's look at the rest of this document. It says, yes, repentance versus disobedience. Repentance is allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal to you those areas in your life where you're sinning and having completely surrender to God. To repent means to totally hate your sin and to turn away from them with all your heart. Without true repentance, your deliverance process will be incomplete because the door to those areas have not been closed, giving the enemy the legal right to remain. Repentance is to declare your total dependence upon God and your complete submission to following his commandments. My question is again, Pagani, why do they have to go to your class? That's all my, I mean, that's one of no that. Why do these people have to go to your class? It's the question. We're almost done y'all. Close the door to sin by truly repenting of all your sins. Pray the following prayer below right now. God wants you free. Now, you wanna know how to be a part of this y'all? Y'all wanna know how to be a part of this deliverance ministry? He's telling you right now, here's the one-on-one deliverance process. Here's the one-on-one deliverance process. Pretty sure Isaiah Salavar has it as well too. Here we go. Step one. Step one, you will be required to attend pre-deliverance orientation. Pre! Yo, pre? Dianna, come get me. Testimony, y'all come get me, man. Come pick me up. I'll wait for y'all to come get me. I can't. I can't. I cannot. Pre-deliverance orientation. Pre! That means before they get delivered, they gotta go to an orientation before they get... Boy, I'm sorry, Danny boy. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. This, this, we don't own this, okay? We do not claim this. Bro, yeah it is. Oh, geez. You will be required to attend pre-deliverance orientation. Deliverance will not be conducted without attending orientation. I'm trying to laugh, y'all. I'm trying not to laugh. So you're not gonna deliver somebody because they don't go to a pre-deliverance orientation class. So just to entertain his foolishness. So this project gotta stay demon-possessed until they bring their demons to the pre-orientation class. Oh, okay. All right. Okay, Bagani. All right. Orientations are done on video. On video. Zoom meetings and focus on deliverance lessons and process. Step two, you will be scheduled for a deliverance session. Lord, the hell these people gotta go through to get a demon cast out at amazing church. Yeah. You will be scheduled for a deliverance session. It is essential to try to make the appointment due to the difficulty of rescheduling the one-on-one sessions unless you have symptoms of illness. You're like, what, demon possession? Step three, you'll be asked to complete a deliverance form with questions that are designed to better help deliverance minister, pinpoint areas where the enemy has gained access or has a legal stronghold in your life. The form can be completed before the day of your session. Please bring the form to the meeting. Y'all got y'all form, Dinah? Proverbs, y'all got the form, Amanda. You got it? Y'all got y'all form? Y'all get y'all form? Proverbs, y'all get y'all form. You ain't gonna have to help y'all get delivered now. Please bring the form to the meeting. The information shared on the form will remain confidential, I bet it will. Form will be returned to you at the end of your deliverance session. Oh, geez. Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, listen. That's what I wanna know. So is it you or the demon who fills out the form? That's what I wanna know. Good question, session will not be conducted without a completed form. Please let us know if you need assistance in completing this form. The form serves as a guide, be honest, in completing the form, try not to be vague. The deliverance minister will often target some of the areas in the form as the Holy Spirit leads. So all y'all prophesying, y'all don't know what they got? I'm just asking, all these prophets, all these modern-day prophets and apostles, y'all, y'all should know the answers to some of these questions. Why they gotta fill out the form if you already got first-hand knowledge? I mean, don't gotta talk to y'all. Step four. Step four, read the lesson on deliverance and ask questions to have an understanding of the sessions. There will be two forms of follow-up after one-on-one deliverance. Number one, follow-up call after the day or week after deliverance to hear reports of the sessions. Two, group gathering 60 days after deliverance for some to maintain deliverance. This is important, since being scheduled for another one-on-one session will not be possible due to demand. Confidentiality is fully required to participate. It is absolutely essential that you work on maintaining your deliverance by seeking the Lord, spending time in the prayer, in the prayer, in the prayer, not just in prayer. Reading the word and not open doors to the enemy. Prevent opening doors, he says. Then it says, I will return to the house or person I left, verses 25 and 26, focus on spirit's returning. Again, for who, Pagani? Right, let's continue. Do not judge your deliverance based on a feeling. Sometimes demons come out. Here we go, y'all. Sometimes demons come out by breathing, gas, belching, et cetera. Deliverance comes in stages. Oh, wait a minute. Pagani, yo, wait a minute, bruh. Bruh, demons come out by breathing. This is by, what in the way that the exhale soup soup is going on here? It comes out by breathing, okay? Breathing, gas, belching, et cetera. Really, bruh? This is where it comes out up, that's how, and you know this, huh? You know that's how it comes out. You know that it comes out like that. I gotta read it again. I gotta read this again, y'all. Hold up, this one killing me. Hold up, dude. Sometimes, do not judge, he says, do not judge your deliverance, do not judge your deliverance based on a feeling. Sometimes, demons come out by breathing, gas, belching, et cetera. Demons comes, I mean, excuse me, deliverance comes in stages. Oh, bruh, I can't. I can't. I mean, come on, man. I mean, come on, man, come on. I mean, come on, man. I can't, bruh. I'm sorry, dude. I can't. I cannot. I cannot. So, folk don't have to get something. Yes, you had some Merillax, some Pepto, I mean, bruh, Gasex, all that, huh? All right, let's continue. Now remember, y'all. He said prevent opening doors, right? He cited Luke 11, 24 to 25. I guess he forgot about this one, though. I guess he forgot about Christians. Because again, Christians can't have demons. Why we know that Christians can't have a demon? Reason why? Because Ephesians chapter one, verse 13, the Bible says, in him, right here, you also, after listening to the messages of the truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise who is given as a pledge of our inheritance with a view to the redemption of God's own possession to the praise of his glory. Do y'all see that? Begati, Christians can't be demon-possessed. Not even by a little bit, sorry. And someone asked the question early about does Ephesians 113 debunk regeneration, preceding salvation? No, it does not, because it says right here, verse one, actually, verse four. Just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him in love he predestined us to adoption his sons through Jesus Christ to himself according to the kind intention of his will. So he chose us. And all of this is a simultaneous act anyway. But again, Begati, we can't be demon-possessed, bro. Sorry, we can't. Let's go back to this document. We're wrapping it up now. We're wrapping it up. Refrain from forcing other loved ones, spouse, partner, relative child to undergo deliverance if they are resistant to this, may end up causing more harm. Intentions can be often detected, be often detected by minister, may limit deliverance. Deliverance ministers may deny sessions if the person is seeking multiple sessions, resistant or being pressured to undergo deliverance. Or if the person is rejecting the signed minister, deliverance of deliverance, deliverance form, he has the prayer here, Lord Jesus Christ, I acknowledge your presence here right now in this deliverance session, Holy Spirit, I declare my trust in you to guide me as I answer these questions openly and honestly. Heavenly Father, please bring to my mind those areas where I need true freedom. Thank you for your loving guidance and protection during this process, Lord Jesus, I love you with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength in Jesus' naming, man. The following questions below are only designed to better help us pinpoint areas where the enemy has gained access or has a legal stronghold in your life. The information shared in this form will remain confidential. This form will be returned to you at the end of your deliverance session. Please add additional informal information, rather, I guess, if it's needed in additional sheets. And then they ask for personal information right there, you see that? What is your name, your full name? Do you know the meaning of your name? Note, demon spirits and generational curses can hide behind a name. Examples, Kennedy, Gambino. Do you see that? Demon spirits and generational curses can hide behind a name. Mind you, there's no scripture for this. Do y'all see even a verse to support such idiocy? Nationality, what is your religious background? Were your parents married when you were conceived? Yes, no, don't know. Was there any trauma during her pregnancy? Yes, no, don't know. You're adopted, yes, no. Married or status, single, married, widowed, divorced, living with someone on a wedlock. Have you been diagnosed with a sickness or disease? Yes, no. If yes, please explain. Have you ever received a blood transfusion? Yes, no. Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior? Wait a minute, stop. Because if they did, does this matter? Again, I told y'all, Pagani is a walking contradiction. He's just lying. You said that you don't believe that Christians can be demon-possessed or demonized. And then if they're Christians and why you have any services for them. Anyway, and oh, by the way, the church is not for unbelievers. The church is for Christians, right? At least that's what I thought. But what do I know? He says, does your family have a curse? On the generational curses, do your family have a curse? Yes, no, don't know. Word curses. Has there been word curses spoken of your life? Yes, no, don't know, yes, explain. Cursed objects. Do you own any cursed objects? Yes, no, don't know, yes, explain. Generational curses, witchcraft, spirit guides, Ouija boards, black, white magic, religious statues, palm reading, horoscopes, voodoo, spells, curses, psychics, mediums, abortion, black and white magic, Satanism, mental illness, sickness, disease, Gothic, sins of the body, fornication, premarital sex, pornography, alcohol, homosexuality, lesbianism, gambling, abortion, insomnia. How is insomnia a sin of the body? Anyway, drugs, weed, laziness, masturbation, stealing, mental illness, cigarettes, addiction, Facebook, et cetera. He says, sins of the soul, unforgiveness, anger, criticism, gossip, worry, stubbornness, rejection, fears, phobias, et cetera. Griefs, selfishness, suicide, depression, worship of idols, adultery, sins of the heart, greed, envy, lies, pride, rebellion, murder, unbelief, vanity, slander, sexual immorality, evil thoughts, lust, self-righteousness, hatred, spiritual experiences, Roman Catholic, Job Witnesses, Mormonism, Islam, extreme Pentecostalism. I guess they don't consider themselves extreme. Gangs, Latin Kings, et cetera, hypnosis, Judaism, Church of Christ, Iglesia Demita, Iglesia Universal, New Age, Black Hebrew Israelite, Freemasonry, Buddhism, yoga, others. Are there any sins you're struggling with that are not mentioned above? My goodness, I mean, you pretty much covered everything, Pagani. If so, please write them below. Forgiveness, individual I need them to give. Thoughts against myself, thoughts against God. Forgiving God, Dina, Dina, look. There's your category, ma'am. Thoughts against God, forgiving God. Man, bruh, Pagani, dude, my, my, my. Has anything happened to you that you never told anyone? Example, rape incestors. Have you done something that you regret never told anyone? Example, in the fair, abortion, et cetera. Are you carrying a guilt or someone else's secret that you have never told anyone? Family secret, et cetera. Notice what he says. Without true repentance, your deliverance process will be incomplete. Amanda, ain't that, that's so true? That is so true. What if you have the lying spirit filling out the form? Boy, y'all are, boy, y'all wild, yo. Yeah, we need to forgive God. That's a category. That's a category. That's a category. Unbelievable. Without true repentance, your deliverance process will be incomplete. The enemy legal right to remain. Repentance is to declare your total dependence upon God and your complete submission to following his commandments. Close, close the door. Love, amazing church is what you've been waiting for. Close the door to sin by truly repenting of all your sins. Well, what if you want to leave the door open? What if you want to leave the door open for God? Close the door, he says. Turn it off. Close the door to sin by truly repenting of all your sins. Pray the following prayer below. Right now, God wants you free. Heavenly Father, I thank you that your love for me never fails. I acknowledge that I have sinned. I deeply regret my sins and confess them. I surrender my life to you and with all my heart, I repent for my sins and the sins of my family. I ask you to wash my sins away and I receive your forgiveness right now in Jesus' name. Amen, for God, he says. But wait a minute, where's God's prayer? Where's God's prayer? People will be praying to be forgiven too, right? Doesn't he? At least that's what I thought. Don't he, right? I thought, am I wrong? Am I missing something? Just saying. Okay, well, maybe we're done. So, that's the Pagani pack, ladies and gentlemen. That is the Pagani pack. Now, all y'all have to do is ask Pagani for a copy of the Pagani pack. And tell him, say, go sent you. Now, I didn't, listen, I didn't go looking for it. I didn't go looking for it. It was given to me. It was given to me. It was handed to me. Say, hey, you may wanna watch, I mean, you may wanna look at this. You may wanna check this out. That's what I was told. So, I think you may want to ask him if you can get a copy of it and see what he says. And I will tell you this, he probably, he's probably gonna know, how did you get it? Again, one of his members gave it to us. That's all I'm gonna say. But now, Pagani, you need to remember now. Remember now, sir, you're the one who gave the challenge and saying that, we need to be able to have these conversations. I'm still asking and requesting for you and I to have a conversation. I mean, why you wanna be in these safe spaces in these echo chambers of conversing with people who already agree with you? I mean, and listen, if what you're saying is true, don't you want people like me on your side? Don't you want people like me helping you to help other people to see that this stuff is true? I mean, because you said this in your own words, that we need to have these act 17 conversations. We need more Mars Hill moments without worrying about people's subscribers. What's holding people back from having conversations like this, everyone is subscribers. Which means the one who has a lot of subscribers will probably never have a conversation to the one who has less subscribers. Because the one with the largest subscriber is always thinking about, I don't wanna promote this other guy with my followers. And I think we need to get delivered from that. I think I genuinely believe we need to get delivered from that. More dialogue should be had. And I think we need to break away from some of these social media principles of dialogue, which means that if the person that has a million viewers, I'm not gonna have a conversation with the one that has 50,000 viewers. I'm not gonna give him or her a platform on my platform. You know, we need to get delivered from that. You know, we need to get delivered from that because the Bible says that him, that he, that things that are mighty, have no problem to talk with the person of low degree. Scripture actually, actually, actually say this, you know what I'm saying? They actually say this, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, and I think we need to have this conversation, you know, a little bit more. So that way we can have more Mars Hill moment. Now, remember now, Pagani, I didn't say that. You said that. Now, I don't know if you are gonna hold to that, but that's what you said, bro. That's you on tape. So now either you're gonna hold up to what you're saying, or just publicly just basically say, like, bro, I'm too afraid. I'm more concerned about my subscribers, like my brother Dan said, it subs over souls. For many of you. It serves over souls for Allen Parr. It serves over souls for Pagani. It serves over souls for Saldivar. It serves over souls for Ruslan. It is. Just a little bit, y'all are afraid to camera with people like me. And we just go verse for verse, bar for bar, on what you believe. Book for book, chapter for chapter verse for verse. You're not gonna do that. Because you guys have more to lose than we ever would. I just speak for myself. You guys have more to lose than I ever would. I'm willing to go for broke for mine, but y'all not. And it shows in your fear. It shows in how y'all make these comments. And I know y'all watch our videos. I know you watch mine definitely. You attack people's views, but then don't wanna cam up to address the views which y'all are attacking. But I know why. Because God forbid if these people that have been following you all, regarding your teachings were to ever hear the pushback and to ever see you fold and crumble under biblical pressure, they would have to go elsewhere. They would unfollow you. They will unsubscribe from you. So this be honest, bro. Just tell the truth that this ain't what y'all want. Y'all don't want this word. Down the truth. Tell the truth. So, but the offer is there. The challenge is there for you to accept or to reject. And I think I'm done. But that was a Pagani pack. Yep, right here. Y'all need to hit a Pagani and tell them y'all wanna get one. I guarantee he's gonna probably try to call an audible. And change up their whole scheme. But anyway, like this video, ladies and gentlemen, please share the video. Again, thank you all so much. 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Great work, brother, great work. Yeah, Diana, get him. For being late, you get a pass to the Pagani deliverance class. Give him front row seat, man. Give him the first row, front row, right there in front of Pagani himself. All right, you guys, you guys have a great day and you guys know the drill. Whatever you do, do all to the ground of God. God bless. You're still here? It's over. Go home. Go.