 Call to order. This is a notice of the 20th regular meeting of the 2009 2010 Common Council As is customary. I will have our city clerk Sue Richards read the quote of the evening. Thank you mayor Life is a gift and it offers us the privilege opportunity and responsibility to give something back by becoming more Thank You Sue roll call, please Born bow bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Montemayor Renfleshe Siric Vanderwheel Voo and Wongamon 16 present full house. We have a quorum Now if alderman Decker can please come up and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic For which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Jeremy We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes of the prior council meeting under discussion No discussion All in favor say aye Opposed the minutes are approved public forum Yes, this evening. We have two people on public forum first would be Delcey Johnson if you could come up to the front, please Delcey, can I get your home address? 1306 North Third Street Sheboygan and you will have five minutes. Thank you Me or Ryan members of the council and citizens There is still a real possibility that Orange Cross will fold and we will take over the entire area We would then look to add an additional 12 firefighters These words were written by Jeff Herman when the Sheboygan Fierty Barb and took over ambulance services from Orange Cross Jeff Herman is now chief Herman Appointed by the police and fire commission in a five-minute meeting which Commission President John Webster refuses to discuss I've been told that there were 40 applicants for the position None of them including Jeff Herman were interviewed and the job description for the position was changed to eliminate the requirement of a college degree Which mr. Herman does not have and now chief Herman is making his move to put Orange Cross out of business by Requiring requesting the hiring of three additional firefighter paramedics and a pumper truck so the department can do transports Which will be the end of Orange Cross Not too long ago. There was discussion of the need for three men on a fire truck in the interest of safety Now suddenly with three more firefighter paramedics the department wants to do transports Which would take two firefighter paramedics away from the city for several hours to Milwaukee Fond du Lac or Green Bay What would this do vis-a-vis the safety issue for the citizens of the city While the fire union complains that they do not have adequate staff to provide fire services The chief is asking for additional firefighter Paramedics to provide a new service. There is no need for the fire department to do transports If Orange Cross cannot make a profit paying their employees half of what the fire fire department employees make I wonder what the city's profit would be even using the marginal cost analysis The three new firefighter paramedics would have to be considered an expense of operating the ambulance service And when Orange Cross goes out of business as it surely will if the city does transports even on a limited basis The city will have no choice, but to hire more ambulance personnel using 2009 salaries and benefits the cost of 16 paramedic firefighters would be 1,000,000 285,972 dollars that figure will increase with every year's salary and benefit increases And there will be additional equipment and supply costs fuel and maintenance costs and administrative costs Additionally, it should be noted that runs and collections for the first half of 2009 were down which makes even the marginal profit shrink Perhaps that is why the department has increased all ambulance fees by 10 20 and even 40 percent There are presently three medical leave situations in the fire department One will curtail the person's activities for a year and two others require shorter leaves These are short-term needs so the question becomes is it more cost-effective to hire three new firefighter paramedics or pay overtime for The required time these firefighters are not available if three new firefighter paramedics are hired You will have added three permanent full-time employees There are seven retirees in the fire department the position of one of the retirees has been eliminated leaving six positions open There are no firefighters among the retirees which include a deputy chief four captains and a lieutenant Reorganization of the department at the top as was suggested by Alderman Giesch at the salary and grievances meeting on January 11 Should be considered as an alternative to the promotion and pay increases that chief Herman is requesting for six retirees and others The council has voted to apply for stimulus funds in the amount of $409,734 to pay the salaries and benefits of three firefighters for two years After which time the firefighters after which time the taxpayers of the city of Sheboygan would have to assume that cost While it is good to think that we may receive some federal tax dollars back The council needs to consider the big picture and determine if these firefighters are necessary And what the administrative needs are for the department and the council also needs to consider the impact of the newly required MOE for police and fire departments The council took some good steps with the star resolution and the 2010 budget resolution to address Efficiencies and employee issues not just for this year But for the years beyond and I hope you will not lose sight of what you want to accomplish with those resolutions Which though painful are in the best interests of your long-term goal Bringing salaries and benefits to 80% Again, I urge you to consider the long-term Consequences of expanding ambulance services even on a limited basis. I strongly believe that that limited bases will expand to a not So limited bases and there will be no going back Do you want to put the city in a position of hiring 12 additional firefighter paramedics to provide this new service? Excuse me, Delcey. Would you like to additional minute? Please go ahead if you allow the department to do transports even on a selective basis Orange Cross will not survive and the city will have no choice Again, I ask you is this really the direction you want to go There is no need for the fire department to do transports or ambulance services It is merely a job security issue for the firefighters Government should not be in the business Government should not be doing what the private sector can do and government should not be in the business of putting private businesses out of business Thank you. Thank you. I'll see you. Thank you. Once again, Delcey And the next person is Jane Kettler. Is it is Jane here Jane Kettler is it KETT LER? Okay, and Jane. What is your address? I live at 1503 Terry court in the town of Wilson Terry court and you might want to pull that mic a little bit closer to you so they can all hear you Can you get it that should be good and? Is it work, okay, Joey you want to help that you do Maybe move. We'll try that. Is it okay? All right Go ahead. I'm here tonight on behalf of the Sheboygan River basin partnership and in regards to two resolutions Which will be brought forth later this evening The Sheboygan River basin partnership is an alliance of conservation and environmental groups local businesses local state and federal agency staff and concerned individuals The partnerships goals are to improve water quality and preserve natural resources within the Sheboygan River basin This is being accomplished through public education and habitat restoration One of our restoration projects is the Fisherman's Creek corridor This is a two and a half mile stream in the southern part of the city and the town of Wilson Originating near the Greenwing storm water ponds the stream discharges to the Black River within the jerving conservancy in the town of Wilson This project focus focuses on the lower one and a half miles of the stream corridor Primary landowners along the lower one and a half miles of the stream corridor our alliant energy the town of Wilson and the city of Sheboygan Over the years Fisherman's Creek has been channelized Channelization combined with increased development all along the corridor has increased the risk of flooding In fact several homes along the North Creek Bank at the east end of Camelot Boulevard Boulevard were severely affected in the storm of August 1998 and the city subsequently purchased those lots along the river The basin partnership has developed a concept plan which was presented to the public last summer The basin partnerships hopes to re-meander the stream and reconnect it to the floodplain to improve surface water management And reduce the risk of flooding in the future The Sheboygan River basin partnership also has plans to remove fish barriers and non-native species and rehabilitate the in-stream and shoreline Habitat public access will be provided via a non-motorized multi-use path through the corridor The first phase of the project including stream assessments and monitoring and creation of the concept plan The first phase was funded through grants from the Wisconsin Coastal Management Program and the Sheboygan County Stewardship Fund The next step is to produce an engineered design and construction documents The Sheboygan River basin partnership is now applying for grants from the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative and Great Lakes Basin Fish Habitat Partnership to fund this engineering phase The Sheboygan River basin partnership is not looking to the city of Sheboygan for funds But because a large portion of the shoreline in your Camelot Boulevard and South Twall Street is owned by the city of Sheboygan The Sheboygan River basin partnership is looking for support and site access from the city of Sheboygan In turn the project will benefit the city in terms of stormwater management and improved environmental health Thank you. Thank you, Jane That's it. That's all for public forum now comes my favorite part of the evening the mayor's announcements time First of all we do have a committee of the whole meeting tomorrow evening. It was scheduled for five o'clock However, now it's been rescheduled for six thirty and it will be televised. So everybody please tune in also We do have and this is courtesy of Chad Peleshek from our department of development. We were Awarded some NARSA grants for facade renovation and landscaping programs. This is basically in the area Which is bordered by 9th Street to North 13th Street and Ontario Avenue to Superior Avenue This particular program Landlords and single family property owners may be eligible to receive a grant up to five thousand dollars maximum to assist in the facade renovation of some of these Older and older properties that are definitely in need of some TLC Grants are will be awarded on a competitive basis Obviously, if you are interested Please do call the planning department at four five nine three three eight three Chad Peleshek is the person to speak to Applications are due by four o'clock p.m. On March 5th. This is a great program also at the same time We do have a group coming together That is has been meeting on a regular basis and will continue to meet that we are looking I know Todd Previa is here from the police department. We have the Sheboygan neighborhood pride groups involved We have the Love Your City groups several faith-based organizations that are all coming together as one group and The Gateway neighborhood is going to be the point of interest to get some volunteer Volunteer labor out there to help revitalize this neighborhood We are looking at according to the Love Your City folks so far Somewhere around 50,000 hours. They think that they can provide and volunteer labor hours over the course of the summer I encourage more groups to become involved. They are reaching out to other community organizations and faith-based organizations To become part of this this is in its infancy, but it's all coming together And it'll be a great thing for our The heart of our city our older neighborhoods Also coming up and this is one of my favorite announcements right here We have the mayor's International committee sister city tour of Esslingen Esslingen, Germany, which is our sister city. This will be from May 17th through the 29th It will be Led by Dieter Helm some of you are familiar with him and the mayor's International committee and me being the mayor I get to go also so it's going to be a good time We are going to go to Esslingen Also in Esslingen is going to be the 40th anniversary of the people-to-people exchange program between the city of Sheboygan and Esslingen I myself was on that program 30 years ago. So 30 years ago I was on the program. It's the 40th anniversary and we are going to be having a reunion of all exchange students over the last 40 years from both Sheboygan and Esslingen in Esslingen. So that should be a good time We are also going to go to the cities of Salzburg Munich, Innsbruck, Mittenwald, Heidenberg, Rotenberg We're also going to do the Dolomites and Lake Garda in Italy and For those of you that are crystal collectors, we are going to tour the Shvarafsky Crystal Museum and Factory which they'll probably have discounts there As I said May 17th through the 29th a little over three thousand dollars per person 12 days and nights everything included including flight hotels most meals and And a good time Anybody who is interested in this can call the mayor's office or if you'd like more information You can call Dieter Helm at 467-3230. I would advise the mayor's office There's usually somebody there namely Mary Rager a bit more often Thank you on that One other thing I wanted to discuss here before we get into the swearing in of our police on our new police chief chief Domigalsky, I wanted to speak about the strategic strategic fiscal planning committee Which has been meeting the last several weeks over the new table of organization the organization I have proposed for the city Nine months ago I was elected to this office the office of mayor of Sheboygan And I was elected by the majority of the citizens in the city 60% I was elected by the majority of the citizens in all eight districts and In all 16 words I was elected by the majority of the citizens in every ward in every district in this city Now I am proposing a table of organization while that will allow me to do my job as mayor in this city To the best of my ability In the meantime, I have a lot of people out there some of them concerned citizens Some of them obviously just not pleased with me as the mayor that are pushing forward a city administrator To lead our city rather than having the mayor leading our city. I did not run for this position As a city administrator, I ran for this position To be the mayor of Sheboygan and to lead this city This table of organization will allow me to do so and this is why I brought it forward We've been working on this Many months, this is not this is nothing I all of a sudden woke up one morning and said this will be a great idea I was elected to run the city. I was elected to lead this city and I intend to do so When I was elected I appointed alderman last April based upon their ability their knowledge and their experience I appointed them to committees in the city based upon that I did not appoint alderman to committees in the city based upon politics as a matter of fact of the five standing committees in this city two of the five alder persons Supported my opponent in the election. However, I won that election. I didn't play politics Instead, I tried to build tried to foster a sense of cooperation amongst this council to move this city forward Now I'm at times second guessing my wisdom in that because it seems that we're allowing Individual agendas and politics to get in the way of moving our city forward I did not appoint people to positions based on politics. I did it based upon ability And now is no time to play politics If the public wants a city administrator in the city I think the public should have The right to vote on that Put it to a public referendum In the meantime, I was elected to lead this city And I intend to do so So I'm asking That you as alderman and especially the strategic fiscal planning committee who are the five members of the standing committees in this city Move this forward And bring it to the council for a vote This is what I need to do my job properly I will be the mayor of this city for the next three and a quarter years And I intend to lead this city I hope that we can start anew Put politics aside And start moving forward for the citizens of our city and for the future of our city This will allow me to concentrate on development Development is the key to bringing our city out of the financial Ruin that we're in right now This will allow me to do so. This is what I campaigned on So please allow me to do my job Please move this forward I thank you for that Alderman board Thank you, mayor Ryan If I could just expand on one of your earlier announcements On the committee of the whole meeting tomorrow night I just want to let the citizens know what two of the three two of the three topics are going to be Two of the three topics are going to be on the ambulance service And one of them is going to be a presentation by Chief Herman and commander butler On the manpower allocations for the ambulance service And the second report is going to be from our finance director terry handson on the financial A financial report on the ambulance service through the third quarter of this year comparing it to 2008 I think this will be probably one of the most complete reports That the council and the citizens has received yet to this date And I encourage everybody to tune in to around that on television at 6 30 And let's uh, also if you can attend come to the meeting and I encourage I encourage you to think of any questions that you want to ask During the course of that meeting. So again, I think it's very important It provides the transparency that our citizens have been asking for and it's a good opportunity for the alderman to ask questions And also the the citizens. Thank you very much, mayor. Thank you alderman born Now for happier times. We have a new police chief that is going to be sworn in this evening His name is chris. Donald galski. We welcome him his wife karen And his children which I lost in my stack of Things here. Also, we have his parents is uh, we have his father donald And his mother kathleen here karen is is chris's wife We also have his children Andrea austin ellie adam and ava. I guess they never got to the bees in the Second second page of the name book Good job chris Um chris domigalski comes from milwaukee He comes in uh highly regarded As a person and as a police officer and as our chief I'd like to welcome everybody here from chris's family and from uh from uh, the milwaukee police department I take it some of you folks are from there either that or he's got a lot of friends Which probably wouldn't be a bad thing either So if chris can come up along with uh his family We can get the ball rolling also Let me see right now that afterward immediately after the swearing in So you don't have to listen to everything else that actually happens in this city there will be uh cake and coffee and beverages on Lower level I believe in the lower level training room, which is also uh one ground below ground floor here So if uh anybody who would like to attend that immediately following the swearing in please do so Chris would you raise your right hand and repeat after me? I christopher domigalski. Hi christopher domigalski Who has been appointed who has been appointed to the office of chief of police to the office of chief of police Swear that I will support swear that I will support the constitution of the united states Constitution of the united states and the constitution of the state of wisconsin and the constitution of the state of wisconsin And will faithfully discharge and will faithfully discharge the duties of set office the duties of set office to the best of my ability To the best of my ability. So help me god. So help me god. Congratulations Okay, we're gonna have um chris's dad donnell do the pinning of the badge on Don't stab Mayor ryan council members police and fire commissioners department members citizens of sheboygan I am honored to have been appointed as the chief of police in the city of sheboygan And thankful for the opportunity to serve I understand that is a privilege to lead the men and women of the sheboygan police department It is a privilege I take very seriously I wish to thank the members of the department and city government who have so warmly welcomed me And I was also like to thank My family and friends who have so strongly supported me in this endeavor The police exist to prevent crime fear and disorder in our neighborhoods To accomplish this mission The sheboygan police department will employ a community-based neighborhood focused preventative policing strategy Then engages in problem solving and collaborative relationship building Develop long-term solutions rather than apply band-aids to our problem neighborhoods Our measure of success Will not be our number of arrests Or our response time to non-emergency calls Our measure of success will be vibrant neighborhoods where there is an absence of crime To the men and women of the police department I'm committed to developing your potential as leaders I understand and firmly believe That cops can make a difference And that your work has meaning I will encourage and support responsible risk-taking On behalf of the public good And I understand that the police department does not exist to avoid mistakes But rather to achieve something important I will recognize good work assume goodwill And treat honest mistakes differently than misconduct I will do all that I can to see that you are properly trained equipped supervised and supported What I expect from you is that your first and only loyalty Be to the city of sheboygan I expect you to be leaders and guardians of the honor of policing I expect you to demonstrate the values of integrity courage commitment compassion restraint and respect For your department yourself Each other and your community To the community I pledge the police department will be open accountable and responsive to your concerns What I expect in return Is for every neighborhood to understand That safe neighborhoods are the result Of the people and their police working together Safe neighborhoods are not created by standing on the sidelines Creating safe neighborhoods is everyone's responsibility I look forward to a close relationship with the mayor common council And police and fire commission I will be an advocate for the needs of the police department But I also realize I will sometimes be competing for scarce resources I pledge to be a good steward And manage the resources you provide to the department in a prudent manner I will take your needs Issues and concerns seriously And strive to respond to them appropriately I believe together We can make sheboygan the safest city of its size in this country Thank you Hey everybody we do have uh cake and refreshments uh in the uh Basement the lower level the lower level training room. That's right It's not a basement And the council is not recessed either We will give this a couple minutes so that people can clear out so That doesn't mean it has to be done Wow, we're empty Okay moving on Yeah Okay Moving on uh, we do have a public hearing This is a hearing to amend the city zoning map to change the use district cast classification of the property located at 2021 north avenue from class Ui urban industrial to class uc urban commercial classification Do we have anyone anybody that would like to speak on this issue? Do we have anybody that would like to speak on this issue? And for the last time do we have anybody that would like to speak on this issue? President gisha, I move that the hearings be closed We have a motion any second to close the hearings all in favor say aye Opposed That is a fast hearing The consent agenda President gisha Thank you, mayor. Uh, I moved to accept and file are all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees And pass all resolutions and ordinances We have a motion and a second on 20 dash 1 through 20 dash 11 Under discussion Roll call, please born Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha I Hannah Heidemann Koff Kittleson Clowness Montemayor Rindflash Cirque Vander wheel Voo And wongamon 16 eyes Motion carries Communications and petitions 20 dash 12 through 20 dash 13 to be referred Reports of officers to 20 dash 14 by the city attorney Submitting a communication from the law firm of Olsen-Cloet Gunderson and Conway advising that its hourly rate for services performed for the city Will be increasing to a hundred and forty dollars per hour effective January 1 2010 Motion to accept and file Second We have a motion to accept and file and a second under discussion All in favor say aye Aye Opposed Motion carries 20 dash 15 by the city plan commission Recommending approving the Sheboygan 2010 to 2014 Consolidated plan for housing and community development utilizing community development block grant funds through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Alderman Hanna Thank you, mr. Mayor. I knew that the RO be accepted and placed on file And the resolution and the resolution and be the resolution we put upon passage. Sorry And a second we have a motion to accept and file and put the resolution upon its passage under discussion No discussion roll call, please Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Aye Heidemann Koth Kittleson Clayunas Montemayor Rindflash Suric Vanderwheel Vu Wongamun and Boren 16 ayes Motion carries 20 dash 16 by the director of human resources and labor relations giving his executive summary of the 2009 contract negotiations President Gisha Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of officer be accepted and filed We have a motion and a second under discussion Alderman Hanna I just wanted to take a minute to publicly thank Our human resources director and also the members of the committee for I don't think the public understands the hours That are put in by the volunteers In doing this work and I think they did a fantastic job I do agree with you. Thank you, Alderman Hanna There was literally hundreds of man hours put into these negotiations I believe that the end result was positive both for the city and for our labor groups And I again thank everybody in the on the committee Especially Tom Rice and Alderman Gisha who spent more time there than anybody on the council Yeah, we're going to appoint him to that position. We're going to change the rules for next year and make them do it Alderman Gisha Thank you, your honor. I'd also like to thank all the person kittleson for her leadership in in the role on the committee as well she was sitting in for the for the seller and grievance committee chairperson and in In echoing a specific thanks that alderman hanna placed on The acting director rice or contracted director rice wherever you want to call It was a pleasure and It was interesting because we We all belted heads on a number of the issues that we're going through in our caucus. There was a very vibrant caucus And And it was most welcomed by tom and it was a it was a great and and mayor you Popped your head in a few times as well as the things were going on and It was very vibrant and aggressive within our caucus on certain things Um, I think maybe a testament to the work that was done and I'll put this on tom and not necessarily the committee is as a whole small sea is that It was quite contentious at times as those things are But I think all labor leaders would agree that it and have said that this was the uh, one of the Finest Well-run consensus building Events from a contract negotiation standpoint that they ever have and many of them have been through many many many many Of those contract negotiations with the city. So I called tom sometimes we talked on sunday or we talked on saturday or talked in the evening On many of the issues and as well as i'm sure other members of the committee did as well And uh, I just want to thank him and what a great honor it is it was to work with him on the project thank you President gisha and may may I also say that also involved were all of our department heads We're also involved in this and uh In speaking of the caucuses. It's a good thing that there aren't recording devices in caucuses That's a that's a positive thing so All the person kittleson. Thanks mayor and and I just thank you alderman gisha It was a great learning experience for me as well to sit there on the committee. I think that we were All very thankful to have tom race come to us at a time when We really needed his leadership and And his skill and he did come to us at the right time and and I think it as I said it was a great learning experience I wish every alderman would have an opportunity to sit in on union negotiations and really see what that that process is all about so thank you thank you all the person kittleson and President gisha once again. Sorry. I apologize. I thought it would be a long meeting. Well These things you're right. Maybe this is dragging on and I agree it probably does but this has a substantially I'm just kidding. You know, I don't know if you'd like that's fine As some might think a surprise coming from me. I want to thank our labor partners In this I went in with a with a not so favorable mindset As hearing past experiences and reading arbitration reports and trying to do some homework ahead of time I found them to be aggressive But in the end I think they made some excellent decisions For the taxpayers and for the citizens of shabuigan In some of the agreements that we reached There are certain things we couldn't do wouldn't do From a budgetary standpoint or structural standpoint Things that you would think would derail a process but each union head and their team I think very gave it fair thought and came to good resolutions on a great many of those points And I wanted to publicly thank them as well And I agree. I mean for us for us to have seven contracts up all at the same time And for all of them To settle in agreements and none of them going to To mediation and arbitration is something to be said for for both sides of the table both the city negotiating side And the the the labor groups on the other side of the table All have been bowed. Mr. Mayor just so we don't become a self-licking ice cream cone here I'm going to offer Some comments as well. I too want to give kudos to tom rice and jim gisha and gene Again the city you just have no idea the complex amount of hours that that these people put in and our labor partners as well nobody and Nobody was more surprised and frustrated by this process than what rookie alderman balk learned at the negotiating table last summer and early this fall it's a very frustrating process, but it was treated with respect and And our labor partners again, they're just doing what they're paid to do the system is what the system is The system it was set up outside of the city of shabuigan It was set up in madison and both sides the city side and the labor union side We're just negotiating within the bounds of the system the way it's set up to to negotiate so It's a good agreement both sides gave as much as they could And Kept a very good relationship, which is probably the most important thing to come out of it And if you're frustrated at all if you're an interested citizen that have read the documents If you're frustrated at all by what the documents contain Tonight is not the night to have that discussion tonight is the night to thank The alder persons that were very involved in tom rice and the labor partners It's time to thank them and approve these Approved these labor union contracts and if you don't like what they say november is the time to get involved for You know to take your passion harness it and get involved in the november election Because it's the people that we send to madison that affect the mediation arbitration laws that govern the process So and thank you mr. Mayor for your leadership. You were you were also very involved in setting the direction way back as early as last May june, so thank you for your leadership as well Thank you, uh alderman bauk, and i'll have to remember that self-licking ice cream cone line. That's a good one I'm gonna i'm gonna use that one in the future. Thank you Okay, we have uh no more discussion on this issue. Uh all in favor of accepting and filing say aye opposed Motion carries To be referred uh 2017 Through 20-30 We have an exception alderman bauk And at the risk of becoming a self-licking ice cream cone I want to take a moment here to thank to thank alderman gisha Outside of the bounds of this council chamber. He and I happen to be friends But but just as alder persons uh items 23 through 27 and item 2066 There are six sex offenders that want to live in our city And over the past year since alderman gisha put two years worth of work into rewriting that sex offender Uh registry that we have now or the process we have so that it goes to public protection and safety Just huge kudos. This is making a difference every citizen in shabuigan knows there are six sex offenders that want to come Live in our city again This meeting alone We probably see two or four of these every two weeks and the only reason the citizens know about this in the very Public way that they do and that those sex offenders have to get permission to come back into our city limits Is because of the hard work of uh of alderman gisha and beyond all the financially important things He's done for us over the past year a year and a half This is probably a legacy that uh, you know will be important to the city for a long time to come Thank you alderman gisha thank you, uh alderman bauk and uh and and Because of alderman gisha alderman hannah has the Has the luck of uh having uh these individuals at his public protection and safety committee two things Mr. Mayor, I want to thank alderman gish for But i'm particularly pleased that he had it set up so it all comes to public protection and safety And would i be outside of the bounds of reason to suggest that perhaps next year he chair public safety We'll see how that strategic planning meeting goes later in the meeting. We'll make that decision from there Okay, and we have probably somebody with a little bit more true insight all their person clayunas I uh, I wasn't supposed to lift more than 10 pounds after surgery and uh, I was wondering about this report 10 20 28 Why we all had to receive this survey? um Is there some precedent or something why we couldn't this have just been given to the committee and not run through here And this uh, it's a almost a ring half a ring here uh, this was uh, this went through the marina and harbour committee as as a um the boater satisfaction survey Went to the marina and harbour committee and somebody on the committee made the recommendation that it does come to council um No, I didn't realize it would be the entire package like this But if you you know overall if we look at the ratings of our marina, which is the marina is always a contentious point in the In-city politics so to speak The overall ratings of our marina are favorable people that that come there people that stay there They have a They have a good good image of our marina and I think that's why the committee wanted to Wanted it forwarded, but it it would be appropriate for something to have on a laptop But then we don't have laptops, so that's a different story there Thank you all the person clueless Our city clerk I will just make a comment. Thank you gene for saying that paulette and I talked about this I will tell you that this document was six to seven reams of paper alone Just so that the public knows this is just one document out of 80 I understand that the marina and harbour committee wanted this But this may be something to look at in the future that we may not want to be doing this Or we may want to look at laptops Right, okay. That's all I had to say But that's another discussion. That's another night. Okay Moving on we were uh, that was 22 through 2030. We have resolutions introduced three 20-31 by all the person clueless Supporting the shabuigan river basin partnership application for funds from the great lakes basin fish habitat partnership all the person clueless Thank you, mayor. I would like to ask for a suspension of rules on 2031 and 2032 The reason is that they need to get our support In order to get to make the deadlines for some applications again as was presented No money involved. It's just showing that the city of shabuigan is supporting this group We have a motion in a second on suspension of the rules. Is anybody opposed to suspending the rules? Any discussion on suspension of the rules the rules are suspended. Thank you. Okay. I move that resolution number The two resolutions be uh approved 2031 and 2032 and 2032 We have a suspension and a motion to approve 20-31 and 20-32 under discussion Alderman rinflash I was just going to ask that we could take 2032 at the same time as 2031 and she was way ahead of me. So, thank you So we are uh We have a motion in a second to pass 2031 and 2032 any further discussion Alderman bow. It's not Yeah, please Thanks, miss mayor. I just ask all the person clueless What the difference between the two is what I was looking for subtle wording differences and just couldn't find in They have to do with two different applications I looked this over two weeks ago It's the first paragraph Okay, and those are two different potential sort two different potential sources of funds. Yes. Okay. Thank you two different applications Any further discussion? No further discussion all in favor of passing say aye opposed Motion carries 2033 2034 35 Um 37 38 and 39 are all dealing with um passing the the Labor contracts 20-36 we need a motion to file because 20-36 is dealing with the amalgamated transit union Um, which is actually approved by the transit commission and not by the council So if we can have a motion first to file 20-36 I moved on that 20 36 be filed We have a motion in the second to file 20-36 No, all in favor of filing 20 36 say aye opposed 20-36 is filed Now we have vice president Heidemann. Thank you. I move the resolution 20 30 to 2033 through 2035 and 2037 through 2039 be passed We have a motion and a second on passing the resolutions under discussion. We have Alderman Thank you, mayor Ryan. I don't have any problem on voting on these as a group because I support them But if there are any other alder persons that have any difficulties with any of the individual contracts Then I think we should speak up and take a separate vote on those I support them But I just want to give other alder persons the opportunity that we're we're not just ramanis all through if somebody has an objection Let's vote on one of them separately and that is why we are under discussion at the moment Thank you. Alderman Barton Alder person clay onus Thank you, your honor Not a difficulty, but um Out of the ice cream idea. I'll use some cone. I think the city employees got a good deal I don't want it to sound like, you know, we Didn't give them some good things here. I was looking I looked through all of the agreements this weekend and there are some interesting concessions That we gave We we didn't come empty-handed. We did give some concessions and especially certain unions seem to have quite a detailed Contract that they asked the city to approve and to negotiate so I think we came out we we gave a lot There's a lot of things in here that a lot of city people citizens would love to see in their labor agreement or their their you might say Pay pay plan and they're in their job So I don't I'm not ashamed of these at all And I think that the city employees should be grateful for what we did in the circumstances that we faced Thank you all to person clioness Any further discussion? If there is none we are uh pass We are we have a motion to pass 20-33 through 20-35 and 20-37 through 20-39 Roll call, please decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann kath kittleson clioness montemayor rinflash sirk van der wheel vue wangeman boran bauke and bowers five 16 i's Motion carries 20-40 by alder persons heidemann kittleson bauke, gisha and kath Adopting the city of sheboygan policy for vacant positions and promotions vice president heidemann. I move to put the resolution upon this passage We have a motion any second under discussion Joe We have alderman bowers or Alderman vice president, would you like to speak first? Yeah, I had to move to amend the resolution Okay, we have a motion to amend um, please Speak, okay. I'd like to add subsection Yep, notwithstanding the above vacant positions subject to the council in both hiring fees shall not be filled without common Council approval I'm going to make that it's going to be added So we're talking on the second page um After e we are going to do subsection f is what you're looking to do. Yep On page two subsection f. Can you repeat that, please? Okay Notwithstanding the above vacant positions subject to the council imposed hiring fees shall not be filled without common council approval We have Alderman hannah Thank you, mr. But just a quick question Would that be a two-thirds vote on something like that because it would change the budget or no? Just just a majority. Thank you Thank you. Alderman hannah. We have alderman bowers Yes, I was on the impression that we uh, we weren't going to hire anybody. So this is for what vacant positions? Um, this is a vacant Attorney mcclean. Would you like to answer that? Sure Go ahead. This is a policy Regarding filling vacant positions What the amendment is is to add a provision Because the council has adopted a hiring freeze Uh In order to lift the freeze to fill any particular vacancy It's going to need council approval and that wasn't addressed in the In the policy, but the policy itself is consistent with city ordinances already as far as the process for filling vacancies Thank you Next we have uh President gisha Thank you. Just so everybody knows this isn't a new Policy or document the city of sheboygan has had this policy with the exception of some changes the tom Uh director rice and the committee upgraded it But we've had the policy for a long time. It hasn't necessarily been Completely adhered to for a long time and this kind of brings it back up and freshens it up to uh The reality of the day Thank you. Yes. This is the uh vacant position approval form that has basically just been updated to uh to our modern times here. Thank you Thank you. Oh, we have a motion and a second on the amendment And that's basically what we should be discussing now is the amendment Yes, is there any other discussion on the amendment president of alderperson kiddelson? Thank you mayor Okay, and so we're adding f not be filled without common council approval And and that's for internal promotions as well for every are you speaking for everything? I mean, I don't think that President heidemann will you answer that this feeling we would need to clean up that uh That ordinance to be able to put that language in there. So it'd be internal also internal Also, we've never done that before correct not that I know and so we're this is just This is just stayed just new added because It cleans it up or just the reason being can Well, this is on the hiring freeze So would be hiring somebody to fill a vacancy not not an internal not an internal promotion Okay, so if we're hiring somebody to fill Fill that vacant because of the hiring freeze. That's all we're speaking of not on internal promotions or anything like that, correct? I don't know got the Maybe Chief Herman I see a reaction out of you. Would you like to speak on this? Thank you Thank you your honor It was my understanding through the committee meeting that this is also for internal promotions, correct That was the change from From the form of the year before We may call up Acting director tom rice if we can have a motion open the floor tom is not a true department head Motion to second all in favor The purpose of the change that I proposed and the salaries and grievance committee moved to the council was twofold number one to take and improve communication And the chain of command down so that the mayor the hr director and the director of finance were in the loop in terms of potential new hires or Promotions to make sure that the money was in the budget that it was something that we had had planned for and so forth And secondly had not anticipated common council approval on Promotions, but certainly common council approval on anything that would be a new hire Because of the the freeze that we have currently so that's what I anticipated when I put it together And what how I presented it to the salaries and grievance committee Thank you director rice, we have president gisha and thank you chief herman Not so quick tom It might be helpful if we walk through maybe two scenarios one is Somebody gets promoted. So there's an opening below it That would then I'm waiting for you to correct me that would then be subject to a new hire To fill the vacancy below it, but the promotion would not be subject to council approval That would be follow our our ordinance and uh policy and be left up to the Sign off by the department head signed off by you signed off by mayor and then to salary and grievance And the director of finance and the director of finance and approved by the salaries and grievance from what our old policy used to be So that was that how things would work? That's correct. Okay, that is correct And is that your intention of vice president heideman with this uh With this this amendment Okay, are we all clear on that? Alderman right flesh done. Thank you president gisha Okay, so this is a vote on the amendment only Do we can we do all eyes on an amendment? We can All in favor of the amendment say aye. Aye opposed The amendment carries I Move that the resolution be as amended be passed We have a motion in second to pass the resolution as amended under discussion No discussion. We'll call please Hannah Heidemann kath kittleson claunas montemayor rindflash suric van der wheel vooh wongman borne bauke bowers decker and gisha 16 eyes motion carries 21 20-41 has been withdrawn 20-42 through 20-45 lies over 20-46 Through 20-50 to be referred however 20-49 will be discussed by all the person kittleson Thank you mayor. Thank you. I would like to make a motion here to suspend the rules Thank you and the reason being is that the work is ready to be done on this The the authorize the signing of the easement for this municipal storm sewer and work is ready ready to start We have a motion in a second on suspending the rules as anybody opposed to the rules being suspended Nobody is opposed the rules are suspended. Thank you Then I would make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Under discussion, um, I know this is the easement for the white fox drive drainage swale project which we did approve in december and the Contractor is already in place and ready to begin the work tomorrow. We are looking forward to that at least I know my office is absolutely Thank you very much elder person kittleson. Thank you, and I imagine that public works is uh, I'm looking forward to this being passed also Okay, uh any further discussion Roll call, please Kittleson Montemayor Cirque Vanderwheel Wongamon boron bulk Bowers Decker Gisha and hannah 16 eyes motion carries. We have 20 dash 51 report of committee Six by finance recommending approving the mead public library boards reserve fund and liability transfer agreement and to change the amount from 459,233 to 443,952 President gisha Thank you, your honor. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted We have a motion in a second under discussion Your honor, I just want to clarify the difference between the two numbers is as we were finalizing this transaction Somebody retired right so in this gray area mix We felt it was best to come back with some accurate numbers and along with them returning this money We accepted the the the retirement liability etc Alderman bulk or alderman boron. I'm sorry Thank you, mayor ryan Thank you all them and gisha for making that clarification because I have a constituent in the in the audience that Whenever there's a dollar change made on any resolution. She wants to know the reason so there it is marge. I hope you got there you go marge Thank you alderman boron Any further discussion Roll call, please kittleson clientess montemayor windflash suric van der wheel voo wangaman boron bulk bowers decker gisha hannah heidemann and kath 16 eyes motion carries reports of committees 7 by finance 20-52 by finance recommending filing ordinance establishing article 11 of chapter 26 in the municipal code Creating a residential rental inspection program President gisha, uh, thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in a second under discussion Thank you very much. Oh, we do have discussion alderman voo Thank you your honor. Um, I had a several constituents call and they had concerned about the residential rental inspection program because I will impact the tenants or renters if the If the landlords would have to pay more to repair it up to the codes There will increase the fees. So who will pay the fee is going to be the tenants so then That's I think that's a reason. So for this case, I'm not a support of this program Right. Thank you alderman voo. This is actually filing it that it will not pass Thank you Um, any other discussion If there is no other discussion roll call, please now an i vote will file it, which means it's not happening Okay clay unis montemay or RIN flash suric van der wheel voo wongerman aye boran aye bauk aye bowers aye decker aye gisha aye hannah aye heidemann aye kath no kittleson aye 15 ayes 1 no motion carries 20-53 to be referred reports of committees 8 20-54 by finance recommending authorized an extension of the agreement for interim human resources and labor relations consulting services with hr unlimited llc also known as our own tom rice President gisha Thank you your honor. I move that the Report of committee be accepted and adopted And the resolution and the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion. Thank you your honor As this is now the world headquarters apparently for hr unlimited llc This is to extend tom rices for a period of time. We're working on more of a finalized formalized document at the council. We'll see you at a later time Thank you alderman gisha and also if I may say that With that position Tom rice works very well right now if if my to is passed That position will be downgraded to a manager's position from a director's position And it may May help us in filling that position also in the future Under discussion. We have alderman bowers Yes, um Have we had this outfit before what is the cost to Under contract with them The outfit is actually tom rice who is acting as our hr director right now or simply extending his contract I believe the amount is 25 000 dollars. Is that what is in this? 25 000 dollars tom charges the city 75 an hour For his services on a limited basis and that has been fulfilling our hr needs So he is hr unlimited llc. That is the name of his company because being a smart businessman He's not doing it personally so he protects himself a little bit there Thank you alderman bowers President gisha. Sorry real quickly. So the council has some for uh for warning or Or so they know what's going on the intention is to uh is to contract with hr unlimited llc aka tom rice the guy back there For 75 000 dollars a year and that would exclude any sort of benefits which is roughly another 52 cents on every dollar So thus saving the city should work in about 30 to 35 000 dollars a year for uh, what I feel is a certainly a Well qualified service to the citizens and to the employees and I concur with you Thank you president kisha. Any further discussion? There is no further discussion. May we have a roll call, please? Montemay or Rinflaich sirk vander wheel Voo Longamon born bulk bowers Decker kisha Hannah Heidemann kath kittleson and clioness 15 eyes one no Motion carries 20 dash 55 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2009 budget Establishing revenue and appropriations for mead library teen center donation received from mead foundation President kisha Thank you your honor I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion There's no discussion. We'll call please rinflaich sirk vander wheel Voo longamon born bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann kath Kittleson Clioness and montemay or 16 eyes Motion carries reports of committee nine 20-56 by finance recommending amending portions of chapter 26 of the municipal code relating to the establishment of new fees for licenses and permits issued by the building inspection division of the city of shabuigan President gisha Thank you your honor I move that the report of committee be accepted adopted and the resolution and pardon me and the general ordinance Be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion I'd like to clarify if I may your honor, uh, this the previous document we dealt with was the So termed rental fees. This is a is a fee increase on a Contractor level that we probably should have reviewed two three years ago. We didn't we haven't changed anything in about six years The department headed by paul at enders and her team did a great job of surveying My goodness 20 25 municipalities of our size in our surrounding area This does not put us as the high price leader This puts us somewhere in the middle or lower middle on everything to keep us competitive Yet, we still have updated those fees for the appropriate amount of expenses that the department goes through Thank you, president gisha any further discussion If there is no roll call, please sirak Vanderwheel Voo Wongamon one Bauck Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kaath Kittleson Clowness Montemayor Renfleisch 16 eyes motion carries alderman bowers are you Yes, yes, we may we will have a five minute recess everybody stretch Thank you We have a motion to reconvene the council in a second We have a second Do we need a vote on that just all eyes what everybody likes to give reconvene? Opposed we are reconvene. Thank you Okay, we have I believe we were at 20-57 Yep By finance recommending amending portions of chapter 138 12 municipal code relating to the establishment of new fees for weighing or measuring device licenses issued by the building Inspection division of the city of sheboygan I believe we are going to have that referred back to public protection and safety It is premature at best at this time So if everybody can mark that referred to ppns 20-58 by public protection and safety recommending adding the north side of main avenue from north 15th street West from december 1st to april 1st in the no parking periods regulations alderman Hannah Well, thank you, mr. Mayor I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted and the general ordinance be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion If there is no no discussion roll call, please rinflash sir Vander wheel Voo wangaman boron bauk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann kath kittleson clayunas and montemire 16 eyes 20-59 lies over Excuse me Ordinance is introduced 10 2060 through 2063 lies over 2064 to be Backing up alderman hannah. Oh, you were fast I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules on 20-61 Okay 20-61 By alderman alder person's hannah rinflash boron sir and wangaman relating to handicap parking So as to create an on-street handicap parking zone on the west side of south 11th street south of union avenue We have a motion to suspend the rules in a second. Is anybody opposed to suspending the rules? Nobody is opposed the rules are suspended Thank you. I'd like to make a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage We have a motion in a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion. We have alderman boron Thank you, mayor ryan. I want to thank uh Alderman hannah and his committee For moving expeditiously on this handicap parking space This is for mr. And this is Shaw That live on south 11th street and they're formally conjoined twins Unfortunately, some of the staff over at the middle school They're during school hours were constantly parking in front of their home And made it very very inconvenient for mr. Amish's Shaw To take out their sons for doctor's appointments and social activities And this will go a long ways to helping them accommodate them And make life easier for them, especially during the winter and during the school year So again, I thank you alderman hannah and your committee for Moving expeditiously on this and by suspending this tonight. We can get this handicap parking space Done so that the Shaw's can take advantage of it. Thanks again Thank you alderman boron alderman hannah. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I you know how to ask for your support on this It's a It's a little change and the city ordinance is going to make a big difference in the quality of their lives So, thank you. Thank you alderman hannah. Any further discussion If there is none roll call, please sir Vander wheel Voo wangaman boron bauk Bowers decker gisha hannah Heidemann kath kittleson clayunas montemore and windflash 16 eyes Motion carries 20-64 to be referred to public works Matters laid over 11 18-3 our own number 357-09-10 by the city plan commission Amending the city of shabuigan zoning map of the shabuigan zoning ordinance to change the use district classification A property located at 2021 north avenue from class ui urban industrial to class uc urban commercial classification Alderman hannah Well, thank you again, mr. Mayor. I would first Move that the resolution be put upon its passage and that and that the general ordinance be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion If there is no discussion may we have a roll call vote, please Vander wheel Voo wangaman boron bauk Bowers decker gisha hannah Heidemann kath kittleson clayunas montemayor windflash and ciruk 16 eyes motion carries 19-10 resolution number 151-09-10 by alderman rindflash reestablishing a temporary government structure committee as per the action taken by the common council on december 31st 2009 To collect data study and make recommendations to the common council as to the economic and administrative feasibility of making changes to the current structure of city government Did we make have a council meeting on new year's eve? Alderman rindflash, thank you mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Okay, yeah, just a little typo here that uh this was uh december 21st 2009 not december 31st I didn't think I was here for new year's eve Alderman rindflash, please continue I don't think I was here for new year's eve. I know I didn't go out and have a good time, but I know I wasn't here Thank you mr. Mayor As for the action taken we discussed in this council if you recall taking a longer view Of some of the changes that might be have could occur and examining the feasibility of those changes within the city's structure of government Basically the makeup as created right now is the same people And if they are unable according to the resolution or unwilling to serve Then the mayor's office as general prerogative will be able to appoint but based on council's approval a replacement in that case The other change versus last time around is Unlike the last time we had the government structure committee where we basically had to wrap it up before the end of this Current council term which will give us a few months We basically ran out of time to really examine a lot of the other issues that we were Trying to look at so this structure would actually carry it over to the end of the council term Next year basically a year and a few months That's also why then if any of these the All the persons would no longer be in that position To be appointed that the mayor also would be able to appoint a replacement for that as well So it's a longer view that we're taking a look at City minister is the fourth issue on there But it's also city attorney city clerk as well as restructuring the common council body are the issues that we're looking at right now So I ask for your support in approving this right now Let me get back to the work that we have begun last year In looking at making the government more efficient and more responsive to the public. Thank you Thank you're all the manner inflation next we have President kischer I'd like to offer an amendment to the document if I may I'd like to add a fifth bullet point that asks the committee to examine the changes that may occur Due to uh redistricting after the census including common council size committee structure and makeup and uh And and any other changes that may affect the city After uh redistricting which I believe is around 2012 2012 correct We have a uh motion to amend do we have a second We have a motion and a second on the amendment Uh under discussion on the amendment only on the amendment alderman board I'm going to turn the lights off this is on the amendment only alderman rindflash Um, so I'm not opposed to that that was one issue that uh, we actually discussed um My impression was when I wrote the resolution that would be included in the third bullet point and Examining change to the common council including but not limited to the size of the common council Voting awards and other styles represents representation I can see why the confusion would be that the analysis just looks at representation of the 16 members as it stands right now um, but if you like i'm not opposed to adding the uh The amendment, uh, but that's something that we did actually discuss and what I thought was under bullet point three But if we need more clarification, then I'll go you know support the resolution the amendment Okay, um Further discussion on the amendment only all the person clearness Yeah, thank you, honor. Um When does the information come out from the census? Once this committee be finished before that comes up I'll have been uh rindflash if you can answer that please Well, the census is this year Obviously the actual results. I'm not sure when we're going to get the information back I think they're looking at the they start trickling in at 11 and I believe by 12 They're final and that's when the redistricting can take place You know, my impression is that we're not going to be complete before But this the way this committee Is set up right now under the current resolution would it would expire before we actually get the information back that does not preclude us though from Pre-examining opportunities or options and looking at that based on changes in the census So we won't have the exact numbers, but we could at least Plan ahead. Okay. I just you know, maybe there was a mood point because if we don't get the information your committee be closed Yes, yeah, does this committee have a sunset date or is it just As I just stay standing for a while As written the sunset date would be the end of the council year in 2011 very good. Thank you All the first client is your questions answer. Yes. Thank you on the amendment only alderman borne Okay, we're going to turn you off again still talking about the amendment only on the amendment only Okay, all in favor of the amendment Say aye opposed the document is amended Now we have alderman borne Thank you, mayor Ryan Maybe I should know this because I'm on the strategic fiscal planning committee But I'm going to ask the question anyway of alderman rindfleisch or possibly attorney mclean If the city would go to a city administrator That could be done. My understanding is it anyway that that could be done Under mayor Ryan's current term If we were going to go to a city manager form of government Would that take a would that be a charter ordinance to change the What would be what would I say the format of city government if I could just get a clarification on that from either one of you two Please thank you Alderman rindfleisch would you like to stand again? Information we gathered Information we gathered and reported last time any changes within the City administrator type position is very similar to the chief operation officer We can create and we can change the government management structure anytime that we wish to do so Call them what we want to call them have whatever requirements we want to have required on there It's this very similar process of what the mayor is proposing right now The city manager position is a charter ordinance and that's a different position If you recall though that our recommendation was not to go to city manager position because it really takes away the elected Office of the mayor position in that case So we could do something within the mayor's term. We cannot change anything within the mayor's position. However during the term Thank you Thank you. Alderman oren and redfleisch President gisha Thank you your honor. I'd like to make another amendment to the document if I may okay We'd like to have another amendment to the amendment amended document correct I amend to move remove bullet point number two And bullet point number two would in its entirety and that would be excuse me your honor Examining the currently elected city clerk position and possible alternatives including appointment On the amendment discussion on the amended amendment only we have first buzzed in is Alderman oren flesh. Thank you That was one of the issues that we did not have to any time to examine last time We included it this time or I included on brine the resolution this time Since we were not able to report back to what the council requested. We report back last time Just a quick rundown though the only really alternative would be because it is such a specific Job that's that there's a lot of training that's involved with that. There's a lot of classes in schooling and and licensing licensing but You have a lot of You call her the nuts and bolts of the city That because that there has not been A lot of contested city clerk elections recently and generally we end up in this case with a more than qualified and candidates who has been in this position for a while and Who is just an excellent asset of the city? Sometimes we feel that if we have someone qualified Do we need to have them run all the time or do we simply appoint somebody who meets certain qualifications? And that's something that we analyze under that bullet point at this point in time Because we we don't have the information. We don't have the To see what other cities do or don't do if they have point city chloro chloro, but simply an elected office Thank you, alderman rindflash Uh, did we did we have a second on the motion yet? We do have a second on the motion and we are back to uh, president gisha. Thank you I just want to explain myself regarding that and possible Uh, what's the difference then why wouldn't you give it a point one as well? Uh, first of all, I I believe there's a financial a potential financial component to point one, which I would like to Hear from the committee. I do believe we get good value from our current City attorney and the volume of work he puts out. I I think that's going to be Frankly my anticipation is that being a moot point but in regarding the city clerks position There is no financial component and anytime you You take the voters out of the city and remove them one step more I think uh, I think that's bad government. We're talking about city administrator and stuff, which actually takes a lot of Stuff and puts it into one person or a team of three versus Regarding your to I see us getting away from the people and I think the more We can encourage people to vote and get involved the better off. We all are Yeah, I make a motion. We get rid of that city administrator thing in there too right away Next we have alderman person montamey heart Thank you, mr. Mayor. We certainly have a well qualified city clerk now, but If and when sue ever retires I think we should have Criteria whereby Someone who wants to be elected does have to meet that criteria because remember in the past We've had a coroner who had to hire a doctor to do his job for him even though he got paid the coroner salary over at the county Because he was elected Thank you all the person montamey heart next we have alderman born Thank you, mayor Ryan. It's a question for sue Sudo city clerks have to have any kind of a state state certification to be a city clerk No, it's a it's a voluntary thing that You choose to do which Most good city clerks do that So basically anybody who wanted to run for city clerk could throw their hat in the ring and there's no No Qualifications professional credentials, right. Thank you Thank you alderman boring Alderman Bowers Thank you, mayor There should be some requirements for city clerk because I could run for it if my my name was ted kennedy I might even win so uh, your name were ted kennedy you and me here But there should be some professional requirements written into the city clerk's job Whether it's elected or appointed. So I am sure the committee will look into that Thank you alderman bowers Oh, let's see alderman bulk. We haven't heard from you in a while. Thank you, mr. Mayor I'm just gonna say I don't think there's any harm in learning more And if the committee can learn something and give us both sides of it and let us decide at a later date I'm for that. Thank you. Alderman bow And I believe the board is cleared at the moment This will be a vote on the amendment only the amendment to read to remove bullet point number two To remove bullet point number two A roll call, please Vue Longerman boran bulk Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann kath Kittleson Clayunas Montemayor Rindflash and siruk Four eyes and 12 nose Motion fails fails. So we are back to the original amended document And uh Would somebody like to make a motion to put that upon its passage alderman rindflash We'd love to make a motion to put the amended resolution upon its passage We have a motion and a second to put the amended original resolution the original resolution amended upon its passage Under discussion alderman bowers Yes, could you please read that back? I wanted to want to vote in on please Um, the original amendment was by alderman president gisha Uh, would you like to read your amendment? Sure. Do you remember what it was? I usually write these out ahead of time. So I apologize. I didn't do it this time And that was to add bullet point five Examining the changes that may occur to the To the council and council size due to redistricting post-census Is that what you have sir? Sure. That is what it is. Did you understand that alderman bowers? No Okay, let me give it another shot and that is We have a census that's going to go on starts this year After that census redistricting is going to happen everybody expected which may mean Council size goes up or down districts get smaller larger change Whatever We have to kind of follow the county. It's kind of how it's set up And I think it would be good for the citizens and for this council and the makeup of Future committees that we get a jump on that and this is the perfect opportunity to do it because frankly You have a larger smaller size in the future that makes the future perhaps Years down the line of a city administrator perhaps More or less attractive Doesn't help us today or for the next few years, but come 2013 2014 so it's a chance to be a little proactive Does that answer your question? Very good. Thank you once again president kisha So we have the amended document and any further discussion on that If there is none roll call, please on the amended document Wongamon boran bauke Bowers Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann kath kittleson clayunas montemayor rinflash siruk van der wheel and vu 16 ayes Motion carries other matters authorized by law 20-65 a resolution by alderman gisha authorizing the issuance of a request for proposals For emergency medical billing and collection services president kisha. Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion Your honor, this is uh been in the works for some time This is just a formalized process that's been going on behind the scenes involving a great many people And that is to just formalize the authorization for us to Look at different alternatives in billing companies very good Further discussion. We have alderman boran Thank you, may ryan and the reason behind this Going out and looking for possibly a new billing service is because of the Performance of our current billing service for the for the ambulance service And i'm not going to go into it tonight, but it's all the more reason to tune in to brownite Committee of the whole meeting to find out what is actually behind this and what the collections have been Uh this year and last year. Thank you. They call that a teaser in the industry there alderman boran when you throw that out They're tuned in tomorrow. Thank you alderman boran Any further discussion If there is none, we'll call please boran fauke Bowers decker gisha hannah heidemann kath kittleson clayunas montemayor rinflash siruk van der wil voo and wanderman 16 i's motion carries 20-66 is referred to ppns 20-67 is referred to the special committee on risk management 20-68 in rc by the special committee on risk management recommending denying claim from susan seafelt For alleged injuries when she slipped and fell and fractured her wrists On the concrete at the water pad at end park and directing the city attorney to send a notice of disallowance risk management alderman bowers I move that the reporting committee be uh accepted adopted on risk management 20-68 Thank you alderman bowers. We have a motion and a second under discussion There is no discussion. We'll call please Bowers decker gisha hannah heidemann kath kittleson clayunas montemayor rinflash siruk van der wil voo wanderman and boron 16 i's motion carries 20-68 in rc by the special committee on risk management recommending filing documents and bending a claim from jeffrey bemas For alleged damages to his vehicle when a city bucket truck passed too close To his park car and scrapped Obviously a typo Let's change that to scraped indented the site of his vehicle and paying the amount of the lowest repair estimate $1,511 and 58 cents with the check made payable to jeffrey bemas alderman bowers I believe you referred to uh, I can be number 20 69 instead of 20 68 Uh, yes, it was 20 69. Okay 69 can we take 69 and 70 together? Um 69 and 70 Yes, we can take those together. Okay I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted in uh 20 69 27 put apart his passage We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt uh 20 69 and 70 under discussion There is no discussion roll call please Bowers Decker gisha hannah Heidemann kath kelson clayunas montemayor rinflash suric van der wheel voo wangaman boran and bauke 16 i's motion carries 20-71 The aroh by the redevelopment authority recommending approving the sheboygan 2010 through 2014 Insolidated plan for housing and community development utilizing community development block grant funds Through the u.s. Department of housing and urban development So we have a motion on the aroh we need to file we can we just need to file the resolution because it's already been passed It's already been passed we have a motion to file the resolution's already been passed Wanted to send it in anyway, okay, so we have a motion and a second to file On do we need a all in favor of filing say aye opposed Motion carries do we have any other matters authorized by law this evening? Yes, we do starting with 72 Okay, other matters authorized by law attorney mclean 2072 is a communication from lori kerwin executive assistant of the sheboygan county chamber of commerce Requesting use of one of the city's free days of blue harbor conference center For the first friday forum regarding sheboygan river dredging project that will be referred to finance 2073 is an ordinance repealing and recreating article six Division three of chapter 50 of the miscible code Entitled smoke detectors So as to update the smoke detector ordinance including definitions require specific types of smoke alarms Etc Etc that will go to public protection and safety 2074 is an ordinance repealing and recreating section 50-47 of the municipal code entitled inspections authorized so as to adopt the local option contained in comm 14.011 b6 Of the administrative code to reduce the number of required fire code inspections To one per calendar year so long as the interval between those inspections does not exceed 15 months That will be referred to alderman hannah and public protection and safety 2075 is an aro by the city clerk submitting a claim from gustav fitzer For alleged damages to the water service curb stop riser for the property at 845 north sixth street That will be referred to risk management 2076 Is an aro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2010 and june 30 2011 and that will be referred to alderman boran and law and licensing We have a motion and a second to adjourn all in favor say aye opposed. We are adjourned