 I just wanted to keep you could talk a bit about clairvoyancy that is the seeming ability of individual minds in bodies to talk to individuals not in bodies. Yeah it's it's it's just another mechanism in the awakening but there the mind is never in a body it never does go in there was even when people have out-of-body experiences and they'll sit down and come to me and tell me their whole out-of-body experience and went up to the room and then they went in the back room and all the different things and I said well you have to first have to believe you're in a body before you can even seem to have an out-of-body experience clairvoyance remote viewing astral projection a lot of the things that parapsychology is filled with these are all just symbols of mind it's like symbols the Holy Spirit is using to show that you're more than a body actually it's even it's further than that it's it's not that you're more than a body it's that you are a mind always have been a mind and we're forever will be a mind not a mind in a body that the mind never comes into form the soul never incarnates I mean if you go deep enough you will start to see that reincarnation is actually impossible as well that the soul never comes into flesh something that's so vast never shrinks itself down this is just kind of little stepping stones that are part of religious beliefs and those if they strengthen your awareness of eternity if they even send you in the direction of eternity then they they're serving very well recently a friend of mine Kirsten she finally saw this movie that I saw many years ago called Eden where it's a housewife I believe in Australia who who has a husband and two children and the whole movie is about astral projection she is off in all kinds of realms and her husband thinks she's kind of gone loony tunes and the children know what's happening with mom she's doing a lot of first remote viewing and then she's doing a lot of astral projection and and all kinds of different realms and everything and kind of the key is at the very end where she's kind of seemingly in a coma lying in a hospital bed in the coma and actually she's awful in many many realms in her mind and the big question is whether she's gonna come back to her children and her husband or just go forever off into more and more realms so in terms of mediumship for example in clairvoyance I was I was just on a radio show in Ireland not too long ago and and that was the first thing are you kind of like a medium the guy interviewing me said no it's not this as far as talking to the dead or talking to those that have passed beyond everything I've passed way beyond those concepts those are just concepts that the spirit can use to show that communication is is beyond the body it's like this like this you mean like yeah this is no different from us apparent apparently sitting here now apparently talking to one another yeah yeah because I always thought it was as real as this world but of course it's all illusion but sometimes you know I won't lie you know I've had various experiences appear to happen to me and I think I understand the purpose of it is for teaching but then the idea I find quite disturbing that it's all a figment of my imagination you know someone comes to visit me you know there's this sort of wanting to join with that individual but if it's just kind of a figment of my I don't have a problem with this figment of my imagination you know it's there I can touch it yeah it's just that shows you how the ego makes categories like these seem like the real people but and then we could talk about ghosts that seems like a whole other round or the angels that visited Jenny you know all these kind of people are marginal at most and then there's ghosts you know some people see ghosts and aliens and you know UFOs and da da da da da da da and alien abductions and so on and so forth you know it's you have to get down underneath it to the belief system that made the whole thing up when people talk to me they'll talk about alien abductions you know I was taken up into you know UFO into a spaceship and they tortured me and da da da da da let's just another story no different than listening to Edna talking about how they you know they tried to take her kidneys out and then they messed up there and they left a knife in the you know it's like okay a horror story is a horror story you know it doesn't mean I don't care about aliens okay tell me it's just as interesting as the other ones you know a nightmare is a nightmare it's Jesus says beware of the temptation that you can be unfairly treated by aliens by anybody it doesn't matter you know it's you start to see all the talk of the realms and oh this this ego mind has a big imagination it's close far beyond earth you know it goes on and on and on and then I hear about you know David Ike and experience conspiracies and so and so forth I remember Jason one time he came from Canada and he was with me and we were driving he said I don't even know if I want to bring this up with you David because I'm afraid of what you're gonna say but he said I think this 9-11 thing that happened was a conspiracy I I think that we don't you know it was an inside job and so and so and so forth and this and this and I said well so on the one hand you're telling me it was an inside job it was a conspiracy other people say it was terrorist I said but those are the same the two different causation things two different form things but those are identical and he was like you know he was afraid that I would try to defend that it was a terrorist attack or something like some people do or so forth but but the whole point is to start to see like the movie last night like I was sharing the commentary there it's it's a dream and we should get all hung up and caught up about which aspects of the dream are real or more real than other things or to keep making degrees and gradations of the dream you know the miracle shows that the false is false the miracle shows that there's no hierarchy of illusions it's just all one illusion I guess I'd like to ask about denial in that case because if you came up and talk to me I wouldn't deny that you're in front of me as far as my experience goes and if someone pops into your mind and appears to be trying to communicate with you and a lot of conflict in just saying it's not real it's just a figment of my imagination I don't want to put my trust into something like this I mean if it's as real as this world I guess it's just the purpose you put to it right I'm sort of answering my own thing here it's yeah it's like I'm not asking you to just affirm that it's all an illusion because what you perceive through the body's eyes and what you perceive in the world it Jesus calls it to deny the body is is the inappropriate use of denial and so what he does say he does also offer you the helpful use of denial he says deny the belief that error can hurt you so he's saying don't don't deny the body because why because the body is still part of your experience and you don't want to try to just completely wipe over and deny something that's part of your experience but he is saying watch your mind watch your emotions and if you have fear coming up with whatever you're proceeding deny the belief that error can hurt you in other words you're going to end up in so exposing the ego and seeing it's nothingness that you will end up denying the ego and accepting the spirit and so that's helpful so so if you say are sitting in your bed and some some soul or image apparition vision of something comes and talking to you then sorry yeah you continue on with the interaction as you feel guided if it's you use it as a teaching learning opportunity because you are always teaching yourself and you would you would offer gentleness and kindness you might offer some love in the sense of go to the light or you're innocent you know you didn't do anything wrong whatever the Spirit Holy Spirit would teach through you and strengthen and awareness would continue on