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Good morning or good evening. Good afternoon Everyone. Thank you for joining the class today Sorry, but last week I just had to attend to certain things and so I Was away All right, so we are going to do a lot of catching up Today we have two hours on apologetics and Our goal is to discuss You know, how do we respond to So right now right now we are on the topic of the origin of life. How did everything begin? so we went through our chapter on Reasons why we believe there's the existence of God and creation then two weeks back we Went through the biblical answer to the origin of life, which is Genesis chapter one we went through that and we had A lot of questions and we looked at those things those questions So Genesis chapter one is the Bible Biblical or the Bible or God's Information about the origin of the universe Now what we want to do is we want to look at okay, so what does evolutionary biology say from from their perspective on the origin of life on earth what is Physicists what do physicists say if I'm on the origin of this universe from their perspective now there is a lot there is a lot of Information out there that you know, you could delve into But today we are just going to in a very concise way communicate that Key things so that I mean my objective is is just so that you know that there are answers And I you can you can use the same lecture notes if you're you know providing answer sharing answers to somebody who asks you those questions But I've only you know try to just try to condense these things, but there is a lot out there And thank God for Scientists who are in the faith, you know, so these are well established scientists Both from the life science stream biologists Molecular biology and so on and and they're also scientists from say the physics the engineering side Who are the astronomy and so on and who would answer and who would respond to the whole big bang theory and so on So thank God for scientists who are off the faith and there are a lot of good books out there that that could be referred to and used in trying to developing a response for people but Michael is just you know point you to okay here are some of the answers that we give but if you want to delve further and I would encourage you to do that and you know Develop understanding so that you know if you have to speak to people at that level You know that there are there is material there is information that you can tap into and respond. Okay, so We're going to start off by looking at now all of these These lecture notes I've put up in the in the glasswork section So we're going to look at this is in chapter 6 now About Darwin and modern evolutionary biology now This is actually taken from you know the source resources are given at the end of this article But if you're interested you could read the full article, but I'm just going to be very consensely Communicate share with us, you know, how do we respond to this? It's just a little understanding But I'd encourage you to read the full article if you are interested So Darwin In in the 1800s now Darwin was not the first person to come up with this idea as you can see later on in this article They were predestined prejudices to Darwin who They are who influenced and say even his grandfather Rasmus and even much prior to that there were people who You know speculated on Thoughts that are similar to what Darwin proposed, but Darwin became the the main proponent of this theory that we refer to as the The theory of descent that means the how the species evolved over time Through a process called natural selection. So the species basically underwent modification to to Two primary ways through variation and selection. So there were variations Maybe at a genetic genetic level or or at a you know at a physical level in terms of the structure of parts of their Anatomy so there were variations and then there was selection. They went through different Great situations that okay the fittest survived and so on So this was his whole idea that life Originated and right life evolved and all the species evolved over time Through this whole process of natural selection and Things evolved now interestingly Darwin's idea and Of course, he put out, you know these four aspects, which we will just talk we'll mention briefly how to respond to these But he put out for main hypothesis a main Reasons or basis for his theory as to why he was putting this out now very interestingly Darwin's theory of This whole process of evolution and natural selection Has spilled over into other areas of learning whether we So we have a social Darwinism or cultural Darwinism so they began to look at other areas of Human evolution which is In other spaces from that same lens or from that same perspective and of course if you want you can you know you can Apply that and try to create a sequence of Events or sequence of Developments that seem to indicate that Yeah, there's there's evolution even here social evolution or cultural evolution things have evolved The fact is Socially and culturally we are developing we are evolving and there's nothing wrong with that but just because We are evolving socially and culturally over time because so many things are around us and changing The world today is very different from the world 2000 years ago or 4,000 years ago And therefore we have to socially and culturally evolve To adapt to you know all the advancements that are made in the changes that are made. So this is very obvious But then to use this as a basis to go all the way back and say therefore man evolved from you know Reduceses such as apes and then you can go back and back and back and back and you know to wherever they're like a single cell Is like really stretching? Information beyond its Limits of application But anyway, so Da Vinis put out this theory Many people have added to it and so we have what is called as the Modern evolutionary modern theory of evolution or evolutionary synthesis Now when Darwin put it out He used you know these four main findings or reasonings To support what he was saying And and all of this is given in this article. I'm just you know summarizing it and you can read it in depth If you're interested First his first argument was and and and as you would find in his his books that he wrote He seemed to be intentionally arguing against the idea of God and creation So in some way his books were Theological in nature because he was trying to fight against or he was presenting his ideas and in often As you can see some of the quotes there in the article a lot of his statements was like Trying to disprove the idea of a God and of creation So in this idea of geographic distribution of species So what was I've been saying it all started in one place and Then you know evolved and then species evolved and the species were distributed across different geography But they all had a common ancestry So he was trying to say okay, look they all they all started off the same way and they are spread across in different Parts of the world and eventually they have adapted to wherever they are and that's why you have certain kinds of Species of animals in certain parts and you don't find them elsewhere Whereas if it was all created And it's that they all started at the same instant. How could you explain, you know? Species that are in different parts of different places geographically Bywood, you know God do something like that create them different It was his argument his he was using the Geographical distribution of species as a way to say that they all start in the same way But then they adapted as they just as they were distributed geographically they adapted But then what we do find is that there are Example flightless birds in different continents There are flightless birds in different continents and they are all Not very old in age. That means they didn't evolve, you know Very long time in the past But they are flightless birds in different continents that means It's not about them adapting to the environment But the fact is they were all created instantly at the same time in You know in different parts of the world so The findings Don't necessarily corroborate Darwin's theory. So that's one thing Similarly with fossils. He tried to use fossils and I'm just you know, really summarizing these things you can read them in detail Similarly with fossils So Darwin said hey look there are fossils and you know, you can try to you know, the fossil of the man I mean the the human Looks very much like a fossil that we found of an ape and so on and so on and so on But then as far as fossils are concerned and again You can there's a lot of information out there in fossils and one of the other notes. I've given you a link The problem with fossils is there are huge gaps Right, it's not like it's almost like you're stretching things to try to connect. There are huge gaps that you cannot connect to and try to you know, create a storyline from You know as far back as possible and draw it all the way across to the human so there are huge gaps now Darwin was aware of it, but he just said in his time and we're talking about almost 200 years ago at that time he said, okay, you know, we don't have enough The fossils before the Cambrian age were the pre Cambrian period were destroyed and so we don't have enough fossils but then over time fossils have been found and you don't find the needed connection between fossils to establish scientifically and clearly the either the age of the earth or the evolution of man from that of you know prehistoric or that of Ancestors that go back into the ape and then on backwards. So Additionally the age of these fossils are a big question so Yeah, so so the second Hypothesis the second finding that Darwin was pointing to was that of fossils and he was 20 years, you know the existence of fossil findings as as In support of the sole evolutionary process now, of course, that was 200 years ago. A lot more fossils have been found since that time and There are two major problems with fossils one as I was saying There are huge gaps In this whole chain that are the sequence that I've been trying to be reconstructed And secondly, for us are not as old as they Was supposed to be and you have clear examples of Even in our time in the last 30 40 years where you know when they first found a fossil They would say, okay, we determined this to be you know 64 million years old and It belonged to you know, and they would give some strange name then maybe you know shortly thereafter They would correct themselves and say, okay, this is not what we actually thought This is not actually it's just the bones of a ape that You know in the area in this region that died so some Not too long ago, okay So Christopher, I just see a question which material is being referred to are you referring to the PDF chapter 6 or are you Are you asking about that or are you asking about the fossils? We're in chapter 6 evolutionary biology on in the PDF. Okay So there's a PDF that's lesson 5 and 6 so so there's one PDF that has both the lessons and They didn't in lesson 6 on evolutionary biology. Okay. Yeah, so that's what we are So that was again another area there are responses to that whole area of fossils then the third area that Darwin was looking at was okay He said hey there are vestigial organs. It means these are organs that in the human body Are not very useful and of course he pointed to the appendix as an example You know and this was remember all of this was 200 years ago and saying, okay Hey, there's a bit of parts in the body that are not very useful so therefore this was this is supporting the idea that There is adaptation happening and things that are not needed or you know just become vestigial they become They put they go into disuse and eventually the the species is adapting and changing So that was one example. So he used the presence of what we refer to as vestigial organs in support of the theory of evolution and adaptation So what we do know is that even what the what we think as vestigial organs, they have some Value or some part to play in the function of the human body So even the appendix has some part to play. Okay powers back And and so what was initially considered as vestigial We then later Discover that there is some function. There is some value associated with it for the human body and the details have mentioned there later on in in this article The last argument that Darwin used was that of homology, which is basically he's saying you see parts of Animals or you know so which are similar in structure They are placed similarly But they serve different function. So similar structure and location by different function. So example the wings of a bat and The flippers of Yeah, a sea creature. So the wings and the flippers are similar structure similar location, but Different function one is used to fly and one is used to swim in water Or or maybe even move So he was saying see this is an example of where there is adaptation because These these parts are similar, but they're serving a different function Now this was again, this was 200 years ago Then thereafter We said, okay, we can look down into Look at the genetic genetics level to see if that actually has been adaptation that actually has been changed or We could look at Parts of the body that have similar genetic structure, but they're actually, you know Serving different functions. And so, you know So from a genetics point of view this argument doesn't hold because you find that There, you know, there there are and I mentioned this way, let me just be very clear on this Fossils vestigial organs and homology, right? So we're talking about structuring position and function and So if homologous structures Are produced by similar genes And non homologous structures, that means they don't look the same, but they serve similar function are produced by different genes that Then we can say, you know, okay, there has been a common ancestry here But then from biology, we are able to show this that non homologous structures They look different very different the structure is very different, but they are serving similar function and So legs of mammals insects, you know, the structure is very different, but they're serving similar function So from a genetic level when you look at things meet then that whole that whole notion or that whole idea Using homology to support evolution no longer holds So what we are saying here is that, you know, when you go back to Darwin's theory or what he put out To support his theory of Natural selection today we can, you know, look at it and say well, you know These things don't hold We can actually question all of those theories and actually even show evidence that Can disprove those notions. I think The bigger question, of course now we are here 200 years later You know, Darwin did what he did 200 years ago, but he spawned this whole idea of evolution And therefore that has become a big big thing today But what we can do is okay given the information we have today from the scientific field of learning from a biology perspective We can ask two big questions By two big questions. So that's all okay If you're saying things evolved over time and we all have you know, it all started in a similar way Then let's ask some very basic questions. Let's go down to the very origin of things and ask some questions right, so The first question that we have to ask is well, we know that all of biological life or Yeah, biological life has its beginning or is dependent on genetic information and And The There are of course these four major acromolecules, lipis, proteins, carbohydrates, nucleic acids and All of this depends on Genetic information So the simple question is Where did this Intelligence or this information come from You know, how does the DNA Know what information to provide how does it know how to assemble itself and then direct or influence You know all the rest of the things that happen in Whatever species or whatever level that we're looking at So where did this information come from is the first basic question The second basic question is Okay, we are saying at some point There was a transition So you go back to the very beginning there was a transition from What we say from known life to life from the inanimate to an animate or what we refer to as a prebiotic to a biotic that means There was a transition from non-living to living So we are assuming that that you know First there was this Non-living Material world that came into existence and we will look at the big bang to say how you know how what how that supposedly happened So we have this all non-living material worlds and somehow from Non-living material or pre a prebiotic state To some unknown absolutely random Phenomena Biological life came into existence or living things came into existence Which even for a single cell is very complicated because you had to assemble chemical compounds Into this self-organized self replicating intelligent way So that is for the first biotic life for the first cell to come into existence So how did that happen Can that be in some way? reproduced or reconstructed It's impossible, you know just to say that you know we think it's impossible to even Show that or reproduce that transition from non-living to living So these are two big questions even you know not even coming to this whole idea of okay There is an evolutionary process of adaptation and selection. Let's go back to the very beginning There are two fundamental questions that we have to ask and we have we do not have answers for that that means Biology Does not have answers for that We know what is what is there we can tell you know, what's in the DNA and we know how it works And we know that okay or are not it be still learning, but for the most part we know that you know the other genetic codes work and How much of information is compressed into a single DNA strand and so we can we can say all of that but How was it that This information came into being like this Whether this intelligence comes from could non-material chemical compounds Suddenly come together in such an intelligent way and that make it a replicate reproduce itself and how could those Non-material chemical compounds Transition from non-living to living right so to sum up our Response to this whole Darwin's theory of evolution would be well, Darwin put out his theory and he had poor main Findings so to speak to try and support his theory But today as we examine those findings all four of those findings are questionable and can be disproved Okay but a more fundamental question to ask in the whole Against or towards the whole evolution theory is these two questions Where did this intelligence come from and how did this transition happen from non-living to living? If that can be explained and Not in a way of an hypothesis, but in a way that can be proved Then okay, there's some you know, we can consider this theory of evolution further on but This cannot be done has not been done. And so there's a big question mark Against this old theory of evolution now Because the theory of evolution has been extended to many other fields like we said earlier to social and cultural evolution A lot of other streams are also being looked at from a similar perspective right that From an evolutionary process. So we're talking about cultural Darwinism or social Darwinism Unresponsive that is hey, of course, there has to be adaptation and of course there has to be improvements in in both in Social and cultural aspects But these by themselves cannot prove or cannot be used To substantiate the origin of life the way evolutionary biology claims Okay So I'm going to pause here and just Open this up for a question some time of interaction before we move into the next one Which is the big bang which gives us which is an attempt to explain the origin of the universe Okay So any questions so far on the evolutionary biology side thoughts on it questions on it dinosaurs yes We will get to it in our We do evolutionary biology and then we get to the that is Lesson number eight. We will answer those questions, but we'll do it Anita what your question what seeds? What was that? See if it is so no faster it will break down and it will Grow up to be a plant and again that circle goes on So That'd be a part of like a evolution if in the right circumstance Like atmosphere it grows to be a tree Um, would it be considered as a living matter living substance see Yeah, but remember the seeds have You know, we could say intelligence encoded inside them, right? So Even if you break down To take the seed you go down to its single cell There is information encoded inside it right which then basically drives this whole process of germination and so on so The underlying question be asking is where did all that information come from Genesis 1 says You know God created these things He created, you know the plants And so we are saying God is the one who gave that intelligence Who you know he created plants trees seeds and he provided all of the intelligence the design for all of that What evolutionary biology is telling us is all of this happened at random and by chance that these Compounds that were there just came together and decided on I mean somehow Got intelligence that then drives the systems and the processes of living things which includes seeds and other things So that's the big question, you know Better this intelligence. How does intelligence come from or the DNA to be able to encode all of this and How did it transition from? non material compounds into Substances that had life, you know Which cannot be explained So a seed already has the information in it and our responses. Well, God did it there in Genesis chapter 1 The right pastor because when they say about evolution there has to be some Matters like some substance, but they do not explain like from what is the origin of that substance? Yes Okay All right, I'm gonna step into just step in we have another 10 minutes and we will do this I'm gonna step into the next I want to finish this today So next week we'll get into the origin of the Bible and how the scriptures came to us So let's try to finish this So the other part and I'm sharing chapter 7 PDF notes Okay, so we looked at evolutionary biology in a very concise way just address it. You can dig deeper into it the other scientific Hypothesis That tries to attempt their attempts to explain to us How the universe came into existence, you know, how do this whole universe come into this? So we are going we're going a step Behind which is now we talk to the origin of life, which evolution biology attempts to explain Now we're going even beyond beyond before that to try to say how this science tried to explain The origin of the universe so we call it cosmology. Now, how did this whole universe come into being? right and How could be how could it have happened So basically the Big Bang Theory Now, you know over time over the over the decades or You know the the age of the universe has changed considerably and today What for the scientific community Exempts is that the age of the universe is about 14 billion years old and Again the understanding used to change from the universe You know, so I do one point the the understanding was Well, the universe is in a steady state. Nothing is changing but then after Einstein came and Einstein put out his theories of relativity and his understanding then slowly the Many scientists began to agree that no the universe is not in a steady state the universe Is expanding Increasing and therefore if it is increasing therefore back in time It had to have a starting point So That shocked everybody, but Scientifically, they said, okay, so that means the universe had a starting point Then they said the universe was in a steady state then okay No, worry that don't what don't try to worry about how things began. It was always it always existed like that but when You know when the understanding changed that no the universe is expanding the universe is Continuously growing therefore it has to have a starting point. So then the whole issue What was the starting point? It started so that whole issue Had to be slain. So how is the big one? These attempts to explain that starting point, right, but the huge question around and I'll just mention some of the question so What what what the big idea puts out or proposing is that the universe began about 14 billion years ago with what's referred to now as a Singularity that means there was a point before time began when there was mass energy and space all contain a very Hot state But in a small world much smaller than the universe today the problem is We cannot or it does not tell us. There was all this Mars energy from where did it come from? But it's making the assumption that 14 billion years ago. There was this condition of singularity where there was Tremendous amount of mass and energy in an extremely hot state right and then in in a In time which would be described as 10 to the power of minus 34. That means one over 10 to the power of 34 zeros That means in that minute Moment of time all of this energy and Mars was Released into space. So that's what came to be called as the big bad from that state of singularity was in that My mute fraction of a second or you know Point in time All of this energy was released That that caused this universe to come into place and First the stars came into existence You know the stars came and then from there from the stars They're because of the heat and various compounds came into existence and from these the compounds came Matter that created that caused the formation of Planetary bodies like what we have today like the earth and other bodies So that's the whole story Well, that's the story now There are a lot of issues questions on it the very basic question is which we still have an answer to use the starting point So we are saying that there was starting point Declates about 14 billion years ago And we are saying that there was matter and it was Energy But where did this matter and its energy this intense heat? Where did you know where did all this come from? Where did this sing this singularity even appear from how did it come? You know and what was this matter all about what was this energy all about Right so till now This cannot be explained. This has not been explained, right? So these earliest moments Cannot be explained. We are starting out with a Hypothesis or a assumption or a theory of the singularity and then trying to explain how the rest of things Would have come into existence. So that's a very basic Question a starting point problem, you know, this is how bad it all this come from but this matter come from and we're talking No, we're not talking about Three or four pieces of carbon atoms. We're talking about huge amounts of matter That would cause Huge sounds and you know all of these things to come into existence we're talking about huge amounts of energy we talk about huge amounts of heat dense hostage that could then give birth to Stars that we find today Right, so we are talking about small tiny bit in the amount of energy We're talking huge amounts of matter energy to cause this universe to come in existence that cannot be explained So what we're saying is or what theory say it's of course is that okay, so there was this initial explosion Refer to us a big bang and then things are cooling down and then there were these Subatomic and atoms coming into existence out of the heat and cooling down process and These initial elements came into being hydrogen came in helium came and lithium came in You know, we're not really sure how these things came but it came in because there was we're presupposing the existence of matter we're presupposing that these particles began to form and came into existence and Then came Gravity Again, how did it come? We don't know but gravity came into existence We can explain gravity in terms of magnetic forces But what caused these magnetic forces have come into existence? We don't know and Then from there come the you know So the sequence continues the stars and the galaxies and then the planetary bodies right, so Along with these there are This guy's being made calling the dark matter unknown things that are slowly beginning to People you don't understand. Okay. They're all of these things exist, but now There are basic questions and and there are obviously more if you know if you're gonna read more On these things you will find information, but they can be done from from scientific questions, right? there What we're saying is okay, we are presupposing so many things are there But if you're presupposing where are they now? Right so and I'm just mentioning for and this is taken from a very simple Yeah, we're trying to explain it as simple as possible So there are for example missing monopoles so the idea is that From these high temperatures then when The big bang took place Magnetic monopoles should have been created. That means these are magnetic particles that have a single Pole either a north or a south pole So this is part of the hypothesis. We're saying, okay These should have been created, but we hardly find any of them today right, so we are saying They were created as part of this whole process and They're supposed to be very stable, but then if they were there where are they today? So that's a question And similarly like that Again, there's this holding off when matter hydrogen helium is created Experimental physics says When you're creating matter from energy, there's also something called anti matter that's produced so what we are saying is at some point energy transitioned to matter and and Experimentally We found that when you're creating matter from energy, you're also going to produce anti matter So now you extrapolate what you found in the lab to what we're saying to the hypothesis saying well If we are saying that in the big bang There was huge amounts of energy which then gave rise to matter There should have been a lot of anti matter also produced Equal amounts of anti matter Unfortunately, we don't find that We don't find Equal amounts of anti matter which we have Experimentally proved we don't find it in the universe. So that's again a big question mark Third question mark and these are just four I'm mentioning. They're a lot more from a scientific perspective People can ask questions a fourth Question mark is what refer to as Population three stars. So again, we are saying that these elements came into existence the these the the lightest three lightest elements hydrogen helium lithium came into existence and Then from them came the heavier elements which The stars produced So we have second and third generation stars But then what about the initial stars so which were first formed and If we are saying stars are you know artists just about 14 billion years old and the lifespan of these stars are longer or At least equal to that sorry then these initial stars should have been around should be around But they're not there. We don't find those stars. We have just these other stars are have other elements well so That's another question. We don't find these population three stars hanging around today and The last one is that The the the universe suddenly appeared like we said, you know in this fraction of a Less than a second and we call this as a The cosmic inflation so the problem is Extreme ends of our universe are at the same temperature so How could it be that This hot six hot universe that are from this hot state the universe expanded and How could we have these extreme ends? At the same temperature They never had the chance to you know have some sort of a thermal Equilibrium so There was a physicist Alan good Who came up with this idea of a cosmic inflation that means? he said Like I had mentioned earlier that It took just about One in 10 to the power of 34 seconds For the universe to expand and inflate Which is infrelly faster than the speed of light And so at that moment it was possible for these extreme ends of this universe You know therefore the extreme ends of this universe it was possible for them to be in contact with each other before being pulled out to these Extremely distant points in space and therefore Because of this cosmic, you know this cosmic inflate inflation which took place in such a small amount of time Therefore the hypothesis is They are at the same Temperature levels now It's a theory but There's no way to prove it right, so To the theory he said so saying that because the universe Spanish so quickly We have extreme parts of the universe in the same temperatures But there is no way to actually prove it So the challenges how is it that different extreme parts of this universe are right same temperatures if You know, there was this whole Random explosion From this point of singularity in other words, you're assuming That I don't be a stating there's this huge random explosion and yet at the same time there is this Equilibrium we are finding in the universe So you're saying something that happened from random Resulted in this wonderful equilibrium How is that possible? So somebody has come up with the theory of this cosmic inflation Which can cannot prove that theory of cosmic inflation We just know that our universe is in this wonderful state of equilibrium Even though it supposedly started out with this huge explosion random uncontrolled Explosion right, so that's the challenge So the point and you can read a lot more information here on these websites and in the books If you're interested I could give you Names of books. Maybe I can put that out somewhere So the the the main thing I want to get across We will take a break. I know we are already 10 minutes over but we'll take a break The main thing I want to get across here as far as the big band theory cosmology is There's a big problem as far as the starting point itself We are making assumption that everything came was there for it to start off with And then when you look at the rest of the process the explanation of okay, how did things evolve? You know, okay, you have energy and matter and space But how did materials come into existence? How did These stars come into existence and how did these? planetary bodies All around us come from that explosion So of course the You have lots of theories that try to explain all this but then at each point You know we can raise questions and there are very simple questions that okay You're saying monopoles were created but where are they? today we have Experimentally proved that if you're moving going from energy to matter you always produce antimatter But we don't find that in our universe So what do we have to say when we have so much of energy being changed to matter? There's hardly any antimatter What about the stars? We're saying stars You know the generation of stars, but where are the early generation of stars? Where are they? and then How is it that there's equilibrium in our universe if there was An explosion A random explosion That caused everything to come into play Now they do have this theory of cosmic inflation, but then There's no way to prove that And so on so the point I wanted to get across is that there are scientific questions We can ask in response to every step in the soul The theory of cause of cosmology In big man theory of cosmology That we can ask Which cannot be answered and so you know While while it sounds scientific We will see in the next chapter that actually there are there are a lot of things that are being said that are not necessarily scientific Okay so What we're going to do is We will take a break now And we'll back in 10 minutes. We come back at 10 10. You're not taking 10 is extra Well, we'll come back at 10 10 And we'll just give it up time give it time for questions And then we'll get to our last chapter on this whole thing on the origin of life in creation. Okay Um, sorry to take 10 minutes extra Have a 10 minute break and we'll be back Okay, thanks