 Hello everybody. We are live here on Facebook for a special edition of Dr. Jill Live with the two really important and precious people in my life here today. You might have heard or seen that I was interviewing Greg Tenney you can see to the box on my side, but I've also got business owner and dear friend Ashley O'Connell here with me as well. I'll introduce them both in a minute, but just to give you a little background. If you haven't heard, but gosh, I don't know who hasn't but in our community. It's hard to miss. Maybe you're somewhere though that you haven't heard. We had devastating literally epic proportions in Colorado the worst fire for residential damage in the history of our state happened on Thursday, January, I'm sorry Thursday December 30. I was actually out of town and watching from afar and many of you who maybe aren't in our community saw it on the news and saw playbacks and literally nearly 1000 residential homes were burned to the ground, just completely gone. There's several communities I drive from my home to work each day that are just, there's nothing but rubble and burnt homes and lots of our close friends and people that we know dearly as patients have completely lost everything. In fact, President Joe Biden is going to be here this afternoon on the ground literally moments away from where we're recording to actually visit and see and we're so grateful for the outpouring of emotional support and financial support from all of you. And just even the federal government, how they're acting quickly and helping because this is really affected so many people. And we're going to talk today about what to do after the fire how to navigate with insurances how to deal with your air quality. One of our main focuses and why I have business owner and friend Ashley on today is, we are both business owners in the epicenter, literally, our offices shouldn't be standing neither one of us. We were watching I was watching from 1000 miles away and looking at the map and my office if you drew a circle around the center my office smack dab in the middle. It should not be standing. And I consider that a miracle and an honor that I still have a place of business and I'm sure Ashley can agree that we can serve and love the people in our community. And I know her and I both have a heart for how can we really love and serve those people not only the people who've lost everything, but also our friends and family and community members that are still have businesses that have been affected by the smoke and the damage and the air quality. And again, we're going to go into that today and I'm going to let Ashley tell a little bit of her story. Just a couple fun facts. Ashley and I met. We, she's been a dear friend but we actually went to Switzerland together a couple years ago for a Swiss mountain retreat and really got to know each other very well as we lost our luggage and had all kinds of funny experiences in Switzerland. So that was how we really met and got to know each other and we found as female business owners in the small community we have a lot in common and share a lot of the same She owns were new movement in Louisville and it's the I probably won't say this right actually but it's amazing place to get movement physical therapy. She has some unique methods of doing that, but not only that she has been a real mover and shaker and community service she's one of the leading advocates of helping her community. She also now offers Ivy therapies in her clinic. And so again we have a lot in common and welcome Ashley. Greg I want to introduce you. We met over dinner about a year ago and found out we had a lot in common and he reached out to me. You know it's funny because I got back in town the fires were Thursday, Friday morning was crazy because the snow came in. And so all of a sudden we have the snowstorm on top of the fires. Thankfully it put most of that out and then I flew in that Friday. And on Sunday, I literally got my staff and some bleachers together. And so as we need to mobilize we need to think about what can we do for this community and shock right now. We sat in my office and choked through the smoke for an hour and literally started just with prayer and praying for a community. And then we sat down said what can we do. And what we realized was we need to go where the needs are we don't need to think about what do we want to do but we need to say what are the needs and we knew we just pray that as the week progressed and as the months progressed that the needs would become evident and that we could just be there in our capacity to respond. And we had already a lot of vitamin companies and things mobilize and help us and we're going to be putting together relief packs with some basic nutrients, basic support for really anyone in the community who's been affected because this is a stressor, and the stressor affects our health so that's my little area can help, but what's come across in the last just 24 hours is actually and I realizing our communities, the buildings that are left, the outdoor air quality is horrendous. Like we're literally and again as she's going to tell you in just a moment about her employees and herself, and but I can speak for myself and my employees, we're having trouble breathing. Even a simple breath, even outside is difficult right now with the air quality, we're having burning lungs we're having headaches we're having symptoms. So what's come about literally in the last few hours is we need to get clean air to our community. And you know me, you've heard me say a million times, clean air, clean water, clean food. And so I am dedicating my services and my abilities to get contacts and air filters to our community. So we're going to ask for donations because what we're going to do is we've already secured a massive discount from one of our main air filter suppliers Austin air, and I'm going to ask for donations from some of the other ones as well. And we're going to try to mobilize some funds to buy air filters for anyone in our community who needs it because some of the buildings that are still standing are actually the worst. In fact, one of my employees has a child and daycare in the midst of the devastation and her child can't go back to daycare because air quality is not safe. We're going to call this clean air. It's a big deal and I'll just tell you now and I'll tell you later right now if you want more information we're getting together with nonprofits and we will have more information on donations. But right now if you want to be signed up to get information on how you can help with the clean air, just email clean air at my clinic flat iron functional medicine.com. So just clean air at flat iron functional medicine.com and in the next couple days you'll get information. If you do want to send a donation you can put clean air in the memo, and you can send it care of my clinic. But like I said we'll have more information coming out as we go. Okay, so Greg I want to introduce you and then I want to go back to Ashley and have her tell us about community and thank you all for letting me talk for so long. Greg's dedicated life to service for others like I said we met, and the miracle back to that Sunday meeting was I pray that the resources and the people that I would need to help my clinic and my community would come. And just that very weekend I got a text from Greg and said hey Jill you know I deal with fire disaster and restoration if there's anything I can do, can I help. I could just cry Greg because you are like an angel, because you came in you looked at my office on Sunday before the business even opened, you gave me some tips on how to start to remediate, and you have been there this whole entire week, any questions I have and then now of course giving your knowledge to the public. I am so blessed by you and I'm so grateful for you reaching out and again I have no doubt that was an answered prayer because you were there in my time I need. I'm a licensed engineer contractor Colorado State certified firefighter and TSP certified first responder in all 50 states has met operation certified and holds many other awards and certifications. You receive training through the Department of Homeland Security National Transportation Safety Board State of Colorado, and the American Red Cross. He's a Colorado resident friend colleague and expert in emergency response. We are so blessed to have him here today. And after we get here from both Ashley and Greg I will try to respond to some of your questions as well. So thank you for that, Ashley, I want to hear from you, you've been in the midst of this just like me. Share with us a little bit about your experience as a community member and then also as a business owner. Well, I grew up in Boulder, Colorado. I've lived in Louisville for 15 years and the fire was about 1000 feet from my house. Miraculously, we were spared we thought we'd lost it we evacuated from our home to my business, which is an old town Louisville we then had to evacuate my business to Lafayette which we were then evacuated to another location. So I think you know immediate needs we've taken care of a lot of things but we got back and we've just recognized that we can't breathe. And I don't mean figuratively I mean I as well figuratively but but literally I own a business this wellness center in downtown Louisville, and my coaches are having headaches. They're having spontaneous nosebleeds, our chests are burning. And I mean, it's, we're suffering the long term damage of this there's so many particulates in the air, homes of and it's not just the victims of the burning themselves but the people who have homes that are still standing here of the amount of soot and what's happening inside of these homes is catastrophic and then we, we pile stress on top of that. And people in Louisville and Superior, they're suffering. I mean they really really really are everybody as a community is heartbroken and we really need to focus on health and that's what I love about you Jill is that you just you go after it as so strong and so determined and I do think raising some money and getting some, some healthy air with people we need we need air, literally figuratively right now. Yeah. Thank you Ashley, and thanks for sharing and literally we just decided this 20 minutes ago hey can you come on this interview with Greg, because I think your perspective is so important as a business owner and you and I what I realized is that I think oh my gosh I'm struggling how do I get employees back in and everything and it's all of us it's not just me and that really just for us to know that we're all in it together, and the air quality is so important. Thank you so much for joining us any other things that you want to share or how people can respond just for. I mean we, we went and we launched some donation things and clothing and so many of these needs for the community are being met and there's so many wonderful organizations involved and I my heart is I'm so grateful. But this is, I don't say a blind spot but it's not something that's being covered. Yeah, absolute need for everybody living in this community is clean air. So I think that this is critical we have so many people wanting to donate and wanting to help who are local who aren't local and this is, this is a wonderful way to put funds towards helping people for their long term health. Let me just talk about those who are impacted, like myself granted my home is still standing and I'm so grateful many of my friends homes are not. But the collateral damage and the trauma and the long term health ramifications of this entire catastrophic event. So really getting people to bond together and this is a wonderful endeavor for a community and I can't thank you enough. And thank you Ashley because you are a leader like I said you are always there and responding to the needs and so you are a role model for this. Thank you, thank you. Thanks for a short notice joining us. We will be in touch because we'll be doing this effort for cleaner and I'm here to do anything and everything and I adore you Jill for bottom of my heart. Mutual. Thank you so much Ashley. Okay. Nice to meet you Greg. Thanks Ashley. Thank you. Bye bye. So Greg, let's turn to focus on you and your expertise and you've put together several resources, some sheets of tips and things. And obviously introduce you got quite a background in disaster relief and in all kinds of situations like this. You first get involved in in fire disaster remediation I mean your contractor so you know how to fix things that's the core, but how did this kind of come about was it accidental or. Yes, I would say that it was accidental like most people that ended up in insurance restoration about 30 years ago. I actually went to Florida after Hurricane Andrew, and one of the. That was the first exposure that I had to dealing with a disaster on a major scale. And I have continued working actually branching out obviously into fire and floods and vehicle accidents all kinds of property damage that you can think of and. I know that we have spoken several times this week and I just want to reiterate again Jill, first and foremost that people need to be aware. Take care of themselves right now. Personal care is so important this is PTSD. This is the same as if you're returning from a military campaign. You've seen friends and acquaintances and people that you've lived and work with. They're not there anymore. This is a huge. The largest as you said the largest disaster in our state's history and people need to talk and to cry and to reach out to friends and family. First and foremost take care of yourself and your children and your pets and all of these things. Thank you for saying that because it is kind of even like for me, I immediately go to my clinic standing and my home is standing and granted I am so much better off I don't want to compare myself to those that lost everything. But for all of us there's a trauma around seeing our friends and neighbors lose everything and seeing the devastation like when I first drove in physically you can see it on the news but when you drive by in person. I was just in my car and I just wept because I saw there's nothing left in the area that I drove by every school day and it's all around the crazy thing is literally the devastation. I'm in this epicenter my clinic is fine and yet every side. There's communities that are gone on every side. So I take that as a, I mean first of all huge blessing but also a gift that I can. I need to, I want to serve because here I am left in the middle of this. I want to begin you with your experience you've seen all of that. But thank you for giving us permission to grieve, and to actually have those emotions, and even those of you who maybe didn't lose everything that are in the midst of this it's still shocking, and it's trauma. And Greg what I saw too as I'm talking to several patients and close friends who really did lose everything. I just even a couple days ago as I talked to them and I know the signs of shock. And I was like, wow, they're still in complete shock, and that's normal. And it's going to be what we thought when we sat Sunday and had a meeting in my office. We really realized we need sustainable support, which means this is going to be for months and months this is not. There's a lot of people right now with their eye on our community presidents visiting, and that's going to go away in a few weeks, but the people who are here needs, it's going to be a long term need. And I thought that as far as like when you've seen disasters and things. Obviously homes don't get built overnight we have to clear the debris, what kind of timeline would we be looking at and what, what, what are some of the longer term needs maybe that people have that they aren't thinking about right now. Well, in reality Jill, it's probably going to be two to three years before most of the homes and businesses are able to be reconstructed I mean, I've seen resources being mobilized from, you know, all across the metro area and the state and I have friends that own other corporation companies, and all of us are mobilizing there's going to be new home construction for the ones that have lost everything and the people as Ashley was talking about who and you've mentioned, when you, you didn't lose your home. And those people have to also understand that they have suffered a disaster, just as the person who lost everything next door. It may not be to the same degree but those people also need to allow themselves the opportunity to grieve and the loss is real and so often people in general just they don't take, we've got to hurry up and we've got to deal with the insurance and we've got to figure out how to get a place to stay and we have to do this and this and this and the to do less stretches on into the city but you have to stop and take time, seek spiritual solace with your church, your mosque, your temple, whatever it is, you know, talk with others, pray, meditate, exercise, drink tons of water, you know, do all of these things to take care of because this is a long term process, this isn't going to be better, like you said in two weeks from now when the news media moves on to the next thing and President Biden is gone, working on the next disaster this is going to be very real and impacting these people's lives for the next three years at a very at the very least. Yeah. Thank you for saying that and so just from that perspective. Clean air is huge but taking proper nutrition making sure and I'm sure those who are displaced it's harder to get good food and make things that you normally would make at home. So just, I would also encourage really truly. That was the thought on Sunday again when we met was wait a second it's so easy like oh my gosh let's do this and do this and we have to do it quick. So just pause and breathe, we can get a good breath of clean air and and like you said really connect with people. Take the time to grieve what I know about trauma to his trauma gets stuck in our bodies if we don't release the emotion. So this is a perfect time where you do want to connect with friends and family talk about it. I know they're having meet with people I know they're having community meetings, virtually over this next few days in each neighborhood that's been affected by loose felt so you can get that community. And I'm sure there's also groups and things community and some of the next door things online and just staying in touch with your neighbors I think is really really important. Let's move on to practical because you have a list I have here in front of me that you made up or you created it's super practical I was thrilled. So what's your, you're facing this devastation whether your home has been damaged or you've lost everything or you're in the community and you're dealing with suit and that. How do you start with insurance how do you start with organizing your thoughts give us a little bit of practical tips on that dealing with what to do after the fire. One of the, one of the things that I want to let people know is over these next couple of weeks and months, you're going to be hit with an incredible amount of information. You're going to be able to remember everything that is going to be thrown at us that we're going to be confronted with our very first recommendation in any situation like this is by yourself. It's a nice thick spiral bound notebook with pockets, because what you need to start doing is writing down all of these questions that you have right down for people who have suffered actual damage to their property whether they lost it or it's just smoke. Write down your claim number the adjuster your insurance company. One of the things that I also want to remind people is almost all of us have property insurance for our homes and businesses, and really understand that you, you, your best option at this time is to partner with your insurance company and especially your adjuster because they are going to be one of your best resources to assist you to return to a sense of normalcy. And I recommend a spiral bound notebook with pockets so you can tuck in receipts. You can write down, you know, as I said your claim number your adjusters name, all his contact information. You can write down any questions that you have and they're going to appear over and over what do I do about this, you know, we're going to be confronted with temporary housing issues and food. And people who have who lost their homes, you're going to have to go out and buy clothes. You know, you don't really think about things like that but it becomes these things add up rather quickly when you have to go out and buy seven new pairs of underwear and T shirts and all of the things that we take for granted personal items like a toothbrush, a hairbrush, a comb, all of these things that we, you know, they're just part of our daily lives and they were gone. Now they are gone now so that would be the very first thing that I would tell people to do is get yourself a notebook and start writing these things down and you can also use that as a release for your own emotions to you can track how you're dealing with it. Yeah, thank you for that bit because those are the kind of things that what I found with the patients and people friends that I've talked to, they have lost it's almost like that state of shock. They, it's easy to repeat yourself it's hard to. I had one friend who lost their home and son is nine and he went in the next day at school had to take a test, your mom I couldn't think and like, oh, you want to cry because of course you can't think like there's no there's the executive function and our brain is meant to organize details, make a plan, follow it through, when you're in shock that executive function is gone. So, have some compassion on yourself, whether you've lost this or you're in the community dealing with us because it may take a little time for you to have a lot of short term memory, and even the ability to put together a plan it's literally like your shock and fighter flight system takes over and prevents the ability for you to think logically so that's all normal, like I want to normalize that. And again if you ask questions twice or three times or you have to write things down, just have compassion with yourself right now because that is so normal until you the shock wears off. What about some, you had some things in here that I thought were really helpful about practical language of insurance that obviously I didn't know. Do you want to talk a little bit about the basic terms if you're dealing with an insurance company what those kinds of things that you might want to know just maybe the top three or four terms that are critical. Yeah, the you're dealing with a new situation there's going to be a language that is particular to that situation, especially in an industry that's as widespread as property insurance. And if you can educate yourself and get a little bit of knowledge it can help you a great deal as you're moving forward through this process. Simple things like you'll hear adjusters talk to you about your a le. Well, what does a le mean. Honestly what that really means is your additional living expenses. Those things that I mentioned a moment ago like your toothbrush or clothes that you need to purchase all of those things now are going to generally be part of your covered loss. You'll hear additional living expense that you are going to take on as a result of not being able to live in your home and having lost everything. There are different kinds of coverages like replacement cost value you'll hear people talk about the RCV or ACV, the actual cash value. You know if you buy a new car, and you drive it off the lot it decreases in value say 10% when you drive it off the lot that's called the depreciation and that's the difference between replacement cost value and actual cash value. Most policies in Colorado are written so that you have replacement cost value so your home will be restored to what it was, you know right before this devastating loss happened. So things like personal property. We have resources that I've built over the years. We have lists that come, some of them are prefilled out to list items, saying your living room or your dining room, things that you don't necessarily think about the end tables or the coffee table or the couch. We have some of these things already listed so that it will spark individuals memories. Oh yeah and we had the bookcase over there. You're going to need to make a list of your personal property that's all of the things that you own that are not part of the house they're attached to the house, because those have to be replaced as well. And trying to make a list can seem overwhelming at first. And that's why we've separated it out we go room by room with the sheets to help people. For instance, in your kitchen, you know you have all these small appliances a coffee maker these various things. You don't have to do it all at once but it is something that you need to get once again put in your notebook so that you keep track of them. And as days go by, you will think of additional things. So many of us now have, you know, smartphones that automatically save our pictures someplace in the cloud that we don't I don't even know about how to, how to access them or do anything with them but I know they're there because they're telling me I'm out of memory. You can access those. Most of us would have to ask our kids but get those photographs, especially if you've had, you know weddings or anniversaries birthday parties, any kind of function at your home where you may have had photographs taken, ask friends and relatives for assistance with those kinds of things because those will also serve as ways to jar your memory because that's going to be one of your big jobs as a homeowner right now when you've lost everything, trying to recreate everything that you own. It's going to seem as though it's an overwhelming task. But if you take it, as I said, room by room, approach it slowly and methodically and realize it doesn't have to be done in a week or two weeks. So you have a year under most policies in Colorado to make these lists and present them to your insurance company so once again partner with your adjuster because he or she is going to be in one and probably in the best position to help you move forward on some of these things. It's going to be very helpful great because yeah when you just talk about that it's kind of overwhelming to think about it's like, Wow. What about one thing that we when I talked about in my business was being underinsured and it sounds like you've had a lot of experience with that. What's your experience with percentage of people who are underinsured, and what they might be able to do about that. There are several aspects to being underinsured. Again, first and foremost, the best resource that you're going to have is to talk with your insurance company and discuss what your coverages are because very, very often your adjuster will be able to look into your policy. I can tell you, from one year ago, a major house fire out in Pine, Colorado, the adjuster looked deeply into their policy and he was able to find actually a 10% additional coverage for debris removal. The loss was a half a million dollars and they were very close to their policy limits. All of a sudden, the insurance adjuster had found an additional $50,000 in coverage to help them rebuild their home. And so, once again, I know that we've all heard, I don't want to say horror stories because that's not really true but we've all heard anecdotes from people about how they were roped by their insurance company and I want to comfort people and just let them know that. The majority of the cases that is not the case. These people are out there they honestly they're like you and I Jill they want to help people that are in the middle of this horrific loss right now that that's their job and they are the best equipped to do that. Yeah, so I love the partner with your adjuster because it really does sound like an in getting my experience so far it's been, I've been shocked at she's, you know, very much like okay here's an idea that we can do like wow you're wanting to really help me this is great. So, I love that. What about going back to the property driving. I mean, again, to me there's lots of dangers. If you're walking around and there's embers or there's electrical now, clearly our community has taken care of all the gas and I think gas has been restored and he has been restored to most homes but they methodically over the week house by house by house checked house. But what are some of the kind of hidden dangers around a site that's been burned or flooded or damage that you'd want to really warn people about from a contractor perspective kind of. Well, when you're when you've had a home that's completely damaged I would say one of the biggest dangers that you're going to face is you've already touched on it. I know, living me through these last two years that we are all so sick and tired about hearing of masks, but before you walk on to the building site. You're breathing in air constantly, all most of us are eight to 12 breaths every minute. You have to wear a mask before you start sifting through these ashes. Today, the building materials that we use the houses, they're filled with so many man made products that a lot of them use oil as the basis most plastics are derived from oil. And when these things burn, they release incredibly toxic gases and I understand that they're not in the air at the moment, but the minute that you begin sifting through the ash and looking for those momentos from your life and trying to find the things that you know meant so much to you, you've got to be wearing respiratory protection because it these things can be deadly. And we who work in this industry on a regular basis. We have to do it I have I am responsible legally to teach my employees how to wear masks properly and which mask to use N95 particulate mask is probably the best thing that most people can do for themselves right now. Another thing that I would caution people is when you're going into your property, especially if it's been completely burned if you have a basement or crawl space be very, very aware about the potential for collapse, because you're it's going to look like everything is fine, but you can't see underneath one or two feet of ash badly destroyed the structural members of the floor or the crawl space system are. And the other thing is for a lot of people whose homes were not destroyed as you mentioned, I mean Excel energy went out and purchased 20,000 electric heaters and they were just giving them to people because they knew the gas had been shut off and they were trying to help quote unquote mitigate the damage. As a property owner, all of us are responsible to mitigate any additional damage and that means prevent the water pipes from freezing that's one of the biggest things that happens after a fire, especially in late fall, and during the winter. Yes, so all of a sudden pipes start to freeze and you may not know they're frozen until the heat comes back on a week or two down the road, but then. Now you have then Greg we have flooding and mold which is right right and and one of the things that we can be grateful for I know I've heard it on several. Several news broadcasts is if we would have gotten the snow 18 hours earlier, it wouldn't have happened. Well, even though it did happen and we didn't get the snow until we did one of the things that we can be incredibly grateful for is what this moisture that tamped down all the ash it wet the debris, and so the ash cloud and all of these particulates that can be so dangerous to people's health. They're trapped on the ground right now under the snow and by the water. It's one of the best things that could have happened because when we're doing demolition and clean up on disasters like this one of our major projects combat the dust obviously and particulates is to continually keep the site wet. Yeah, that we're not releasing the dust into the atmosphere. Well this is so practical I love it because like you said and even our building we had no heat and since we dripped across the faucets we had the water running everything was fine. But can you imagine the devastation you have all these burnt homes and the next story of this water and even the ones that were doused with water I saw that that thank goodness for the firefighters. But honestly that home has a lot to deal with to because that wetness moisture, you and I know I work with mold all the time on you do as well. There's going to be a lot of mold that's going to come in the next several months as people in these homes and that worries me. Like I said I'm going to do everything I can as a position to educate people on mold. I also wanted to just quickly read great I ironically I wrote an article before any of this happened on wildfire smoke and some of the stuff that's released. There's a list here acetyl aldehydes acid gasses sulfur dioxide nitrogen oxides polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons not like from charred and burns woods benzene tooling styrene heavy metals dachshunds and these are all super toxic things to your body. Like I've been testing for 20 years patients urine for toxic load and I already see these, I would not be surprised if our exposure and some of the stuff Ashley and I are describing in our community. And the air quality is because of benzene and tooling and heavy metals and because it literally environment if I'm near my office outside my lungs are burning. So I know there's stuff in the air. So many of those chemicals that you just mentioned are they're used in all aspects of building today I mean from the glue and mastic that we use to put down, you know, laminate floors or hardwood floors or carpet, all of these things. When they burn those gases and those chemicals are released into the atmosphere and now they're going to be sitting in the ashes that people are going to have to shift through to try to recover a portion of their lives. Yes, so again if you're out there and anywhere near this you want to be sure and where those masks can get the good filtration and 95s or even the ones I have the charcoal filters for painters those are as good or even better. You probably know about this in the industry I'm just learning so you can correct me if I say this wrong but I know that there's particulate matter, and we can actually measure that in your quality meters and the 10 and five particulate matter is a larger dust and pollen and debris, usually it's visible, but there's a 2.5 micron it's about the size of E coli viruses are a little smaller than that but this is pretty invisible and I can get suspended in the air. And now probably some of the stuff that we're breathing Greg would you say that's probably that 2.5 or less microns that suspended and can be again these chemical late it's almost like the particulate the dust gets the chemical on it. And again do you want to explain a little bit about that because you talked to me about the blinds and the static and sometimes how that particulate can be where the chemicals actually attach. Is there anything worth talking about in that realm. You're you're absolutely right. gases are different obviously than particulates particulates are relatively simple, depending on the size as you mentioned to block using a mask, if you have a situation where you're fairly certain that these toxic gases have been released like benzene and toluene xylene and all of these things that are used in so many of our building materials. You're absolutely right that's going to require a more. I guess a more advanced mask, if you will one of the full face respirators that does have a charcoal activated in other filters that will stop these gases from being able to from getting into our bodies. And you also have to remember, you know, so many of us don't think about this but it isn't just breathing, you know when you touch these things they are also absorbed through your skin and that's why we recommend wearing, you know, good, good solid pair of nitrile or rubber gloves because when you get these substances on you, they are absorbed through your skin as well. I think we're saying that because that's exactly it like so many of the new drugs and chemicals and even natural hormones that we use are topical because our skin is a great reservoir to get things in. So that's a really great and at least washing your hands and everything before and after it's kind of like the coven has this very well trained, but it's more than that even because even those and 95s aren't going to completely protect you from the gases. I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt but you're absolutely correct particulate masks will not protect you against gases at all. Okay gases do not, they're not stopped by particulate mask even an N95 or the high quality surgical masks that in that case you need a gas filtration respirator. Yeah, that's actually true. Okay I'm glad you clarified and that's also one of the reasons back to our air filters and trying to give us to the community. The two companies that I'm partnering with, and I'm open if any of you out there want to donate other ones, but I want a filter that has a great HEPA filter that will go down to 0.3 microns which is usually that smallest particle size. It actually like our Austin airs in our office filter viral particles that small, but also as Greg saying we want to carbon or charcoal filter in there to do as much as possible with the VOC is the volatile organic chemicals and compounds which are actually fumes and nothing but charcoal and some sort of activated porous substance. That's how you get those filters that's why those big mask with the two charcoal filters on either side that painters use or that auto body shops use those are the kinds of masks that Greg's talking about if you really have an exposure. That's going to filter out the fumes and I wonder Greg you may not know the answer to this I don't know that I do but as Ashley and I talk about the burning and the symptoms that we're having. We've done a lot of cleaning already we have filters going I wonder if some of this is more the fumes than the particulate any thoughts on what that might be left over in the air still, or maybe both. Yeah, it's right now it's it's so it's so recent I mean you know how much cleaning your building owners have already done, and you walk in from the outside and it's there immediately you still smell it it has not gone away. Now some of it is being masked somewhat by some of the cleaning chemicals that they use, but when you walk in you're still noticing it this is not going to be something that is going to dissipate in a week. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so and again we are the great news is with Greg's help and with our I am doing abundance of measures so that we can restore that for the health of our employees and patients. In just a few minutes Greg, we've covered a lot and any other thoughts or things that we haven't covered related to either people dealing with this or even just the community in general. Yeah, I, here's something. I want to first of all preface it by saying I am not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm a mental health professional, or even particularly mentally healthy myself, but I do wanted. As I sat here this morning. I made a list of a few things and I want people really and I'm happy to provide, you know, as you said we put together a brochure about replacing documents, resources that people can turn to at this point in time. So the after the fire handout that we've put together. I'm happy to give this as well but these are some things that I really would like again to reiterate and get out there to people, especially for dealing with their children. The first thing is limit media exposure. Don't let your kids watch 24 seven, how horrible the disaster is because that's what sells news, but that's not good for your children or your mental health. Focus on the positive things focus on each other to think that the fact that you have each other, recognize and share your feelings I know a lot of us are. I don't mean to be touchy feely or we all know what that means, recognize and share your feelings, especially with the people that are close to reach out to and accept help from other people. I'm willing to do things that you guys enjoy together as a family, so that you can begin building new positive memories after the fact I know this is going to sound crazy but be thankful, be thankful that you have your family, because in the end, that's what matters to all of us. You're connected with your family with your friends with your church with community groups that you're part of a realize that recovery physically for your home or offices, mentally and spiritually for all of us realize that this is going to take time it's going to be a quick process, and you need to do this on a day by day basis, and I know you will love this Jill because you told me before that this is one of your favorite words. Just remember the resilience of the human body and spirit we can get through this together, and we can come out on the other side stronger and better than we were, especially as our community pulls together. Oh, Greg, that is what a beautiful way to end. I so appreciate you I so appreciate all the time and effort already. You've given to my myself and my clinic and the community. In just a moment I want to be sure people can find you so we'll give them your website and email, but thank you thank you from the bottom of my heart I really mean that when I said you're like an angel you were an answered prayer for me, and I know you're going to be that for a lot of other people who are suffering. Thank you all for listening and I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier, you will have more details so probably by the time this is recorded for the podcast and YouTube will have a lot more detail specific but right now we're setting up a fund to donate air filters from two of the main companies that I work with to anyone in our community, some that would include home standing or homes gone, because the ones that are still homes and businesses standing needed just as much right now. So, if you want to be part of that donation effort we would love your support, you can email clean air at flat iron functional medicine dot com and we'll get you in touch with exactly how to set that up and do that if you're interested. Thank you for listening today, Greg, thank you how can people find you reach you let's get your email and website. The easiest way is, you can reach out to me via email it's just my name Greg at the restoration guild.com. And then perfect so email Greg at the restoration guild calm I'll be sure and put that in the comments here and wherever you're watching or listening to this. Thank you all again thank you for your prayers from afar. Our community needs it and we appreciate it so much and yet like you said Greg. We're here we're alive and the things that really matter, we are, I am so grateful. Thanks again for joining us today. Thank you Dr. Joe.