 This is Joan. It sounds like Helen's attorney is suggesting a boundary line agreement just to straighten it out and that's a very standard simple procedure. You record it in the town records and then take it back to listeners and say, hey, look, this is a correction to the boundary line. Both property owners on either side have agreed to it. I don't think they can argue with it at that point. That's often what's done in these cases when it's a very simple thing and there's no contention between parties. If you're clear about where the boundary line is so you don't have to do a survey, the boundary line agreement should do it. That's like what he or she is suggesting to you. How much property are we talking about? Well, it's a 70 by 200 foot building lot. There are three of them in a row. And one of the mistakes in the past is that the property just vanished. So in the previous tax map, Helen's property and my property are the same size and they're right up together. And if I hadn't looked at a Google map of the thing where the buildings are, sort of this out myself. It's complicated. You can see why the guy made a mistake. It's a human mistake. But I think that's the simplest way it sounds like as Joan suggests to take care of it, as long as it's whatever whoever the power is to be agree that that's I would probably defer to the folks in the on the planning board in terms of just to get full clarification about how that's treated because they're the ones that usually are dealing with property transfers and subdivisions and this line. And I know when there's just a small correction that that's that's easily done. I think that would be, that's who I would go to ask. And I'd be willing to make those inquiries along with you. I believe that's called a lot line adjustment. Yeah, I think so. We've done it in the past before. I remember sitting on there and adjusting some lines, people, the two abutting landowners make a request that they want to move to boundary and they both agree to it. And it's it's a pretty easy thing. Yeah, you just both agree to move the line wherever the line is. And it doesn't necessarily require a survey. I don't believe in the past. And it just just wherever you guys agree where the line is. And then you just get a get it copied and put in the register in the town office. That's the same thing as a boundary line adjustment, lot line adjustment, same thing. Joan, I think I went through something similar when I gave the place, the land or skate space, is to the town for the skating rink. Because we had to have a new line for the edge, a new boundary for my property. And I think I went through something similar. I think it's through zoning that you got to do it. Yeah. So who's the zoning person I talk to? Where do you do that? No, I'm the administrator. But then the zoning board, as Dan McKinley is the chair of the zoning board and Joan Pontius is on that and Sandy Haas has got quite a lot of experience on that procedure. Should I call Dan then? Is that? Call Dan or if you want to join in on the next meeting is the first Tuesday of every month. It's when we have that meeting and that's a good time. But you could call Dan and ask them those questions ahead of time also. Okay. So and it's called the property line adjustment. I think so. Yeah. All right. All right. That's the end of my agony for tonight. All right. May that be the least of your worries. We've got the minutes. We've got Rob. So Joan, would you like to let us know what you've been up to? Well, I'll keep it short and just talk about a current item that needs your thoughts and possibly approval. Two items having to do with the Henry property. I don't know if you remember, but this is one of the lower end downhill side of Bethel Mountain Road. And they had a great deal of slope and drainage work done during the project. The Henry said it's two brothers from Connecticut and their father. So the camp, it's a camp property been in the family for at least a couple generations, maybe longer. And the camp itself sits right on the brook. And in fact, I think they had to do some kind of reconstruction, at least of the back part in the wake of Irene. But in any case, the issue here, the first thing is that there are some trees and tall brush that needed to be cleared away on the road side of the brook, which is immediately across from the camp in order to do all the drainage and slope repair work that was done. And they were kind of upset about it because it sort of opens up the camp to more noise from the traffic. And instead of looking at a nice green hillside or slope, they're looking at a big pile of rocks. And they've made their peace with that. They understood that it's just something that had to be done. But they did ask a concession from the town that we agree to replant some softwood trees. We're thinking hemlocks, partway to the slope where there's still soil, open soil that hasn't been covered by rock. And we provide them a little bit of screening and noise buffering from the road. So that was something we did agree to last year. I remember brought it to you and you know, you were fine with it. But now they're they're asking about when we're going to do it. And there's still time this year, you know, falls and okay time to plant trees. So I need your purchase of, you know, we're in six trees. That would be somewhere around, say, 10 feet tall. And I'm going to have to, if you call me first, I'm ready for meeting right now. Um, we may want to get a little bit together and foot trees, the taller the tree when you buy them, the more expensive they get. We may want to think about six foot trees, seven foot trees, eight foot trees. Yeah, well, he was asking about 10. And you know, we can we can work on that. You know, partnership can let's determine that's not something that's not something they so we would have to purchase them and then have someone plant them. And I didn't know whether you're okay with hiring somebody to do that. It's a little bit of a gnarly spot. So a little bit of shovel work to get those planted properly. And there is a shelf there where there's going to be enough soil that we're not just planting them on rocks. Well, it's not exactly a shelf, but the slope, there's a point on the slope where it's not so steep that it would be really hard. And hemlock trees there. I mean, there's a lot of hemlocks growing there already. And so I think they would take probably is better than a lot of other species would. Yeah. How many trees are you talking about? I don't know. I didn't actually talk to him directly this time. He called Cricket for some reason and asked her to go out there with him and they thought for somewhere between four and six. But you know, you can decide how many you want to do. Yeah, well, I think this was part of the deal when we did the work last year. I think we need to follow through and take care of it. Okay. Yeah. So when I get, try and find an idea of who might do the planting and what the overall cost would be. And I'll get back to you with that information. Right. And then the second part of it is towards the end of the whole Beffle Mountain Road project, Poison King identified a stream bank erosion site. It's also on the Henry property. It's further up the slope, pretty close boundary with the next property. And I asked him to send me a memo which kind of described what the problem was, saw and what the town should be prepared to do, either now or at some point in the future. And then they ended up sending me a rather elaborate plan. It seems like it's going to be pretty expensive. But in any case, I talked to Cricket about it and also checked with VTrans find out if there was indeed a problem that needed to be addressed sooner rather than later, whether VTrans would fund it through one of their programs, you know, either a structures grant or something else. And the answer back was probably not, at least based on their understanding of the situation right now, because it doesn't have any direct impact on the stability of the road above. It's more of a stream bank issue. The issue is that the stream bank at that section is, it's, you know, the current is pushing against the toe of the slope. And it could be that it's I don't think right away, that eventually it could sort of wear away at the slope and destabilize the toe and bring that steep slope down in some way. So the suggestion that Cricket and I came up with is to have, if you remember, Sean from Sandborn Head, who was the geotech guru for the project, really smart, capable guy. And he happens to be also working for VHB on the West Hill Bridge. So I thought maybe we could snag him. If he hasn't already done his work for VHB, we could try and snag him for, you know, a short period of time just to take a look at that slope and make a recommendation on what he thinks the town should do. And Cricket's feeling is, and it makes sense to me, is that probably it's just going to be monitoring. Monitoring would simply consist of putting up some stakes at the locations and some string so that Cricket can get back on an occasional basis and just check and see whether the slope is actually moving or not. So I wanted to propose that to you would probably be a couple hours of Sean's time if that included travel to make a recommendation to us. Perhaps we can incorporate, if they suggest that we plant something there to stabilize it so it doesn't go further with the tree planting, maybe we can lump that together because they do have to come in from the lower stream area. Right, yeah, certainly can, yeah, ask him if that would be a good solution for that, yeah. Right, and Sean is also, he's part of agency and natural resources, right, when we're talking about unwear. No, he's with an engineering firm called Stand Born Head. Right, so we may possibly need Jerron Borg to be involved or... To be honest, I don't think so. I don't think at this point, if we had to actually do something to stabilize the... But I don't think we need him at this point. Jerron, what is Sean's last name? Sorry, I can't remember it and I didn't have it in my queue. That's all right, we won't, we don't need his name, I'll just call him a consultant. Yeah, thank you. Sean with a U, not a W, I know that much. Thank you. And so, and this was brought to our attention by the Henry's because this is on the northern or the eastern upper edge, uphill edge of their property. Well, it was originally brought to our attention by Du Bois and King, and I'm not sure if the Henry's went up there and said, oh, this looks like a problem. I mean, to look at it now, unless you're an engineer, you probably, you know, really wouldn't see a problem. So I'm not sure if the Henry's went up, but I know Cricket met with Dave Henry a couple of weeks ago. I was going to join them, but I wasn't able to. But anyway, they went up to look at it also, but it is on the Henry's property. And did you say the eastern edge? I couldn't quite hear before. No, I didn't. Okay, I'm sorry. Upper edge, that's probably what you heard. Thank you. Upper end. Upper end, yeah. Okay, thank you. All right, well, I guess we'll take a closer look at that and see what's what, I guess monitoring it makes sense. And since we're going to be going in there to plant some trees, maybe we could, you know, I mean, I'd like to go walk in there and look and see exactly what we're talking about. Okay. All right, thank you. Is that it for you, Joan? Yeah, yeah. Good. Yeah, that's enough. Henry's property. We've got nobody here from the library in terms of the highway, they've completed the reconstruction of the sand pit, the sand sifter, not the sand pit, but the sand sifter. So on a hot day, it's like one step closer to winter coming, right? But Terry is not here. I haven't heard anything. I know he did work on a leak down by the ski house on the base of Kennedy Drive. In terms of new business, we've got a liquor license approval for a second class license for Sandy's books and bakery. Hey, Dune, can we back up for a second? With that utilities thing, we had an issue with Dana as far as fixing his pay because he had to work some overtime there and because it was run between two different groups, the road crew and then the sewer department or the water department. Yeah. He worked some overtime and so Becky can't authorize paying overtime on something out of the water department because the hours don't match up to the overtime that he had. You see, because he split his 40 hour week was done in a split shift with some going to the water department and some to the work department. So she needs authorization from us to match his pay up so that he can be paid the number of hours that he worked and get his time in the half of an hour. So is some of this overtime coming from the road pay and some from the utilities pay? It's all coming from the utility part. Right, she couldn't do it because he had like a 50 hour week or whatever it was. I don't know the exact numbers but she couldn't write the check because it was split between the two departments. So she couldn't pay the overtime for it and she needed authorization from us to do it. So what she needs to do is balance this time because it's time and a half. So if he worked let's say 10 extra hours, you know, he needs to get paid for that extra hours that he worked. So we need to authorize Becky to just settle up his time sheet through whatever means she can to make it work. Is that something she needs in writing or can we just authorize that right now? I think we can just authorize it right now. Is that correct Julie? Well we will need something in writing because it's actually a rate that needs to be added to the system so that we have a rate for the time and a half for utilities. All right, well I think there's no problem in doing that. Is Becky going to create that document that we need to sign or would you do that Julie? Yes, we'll hold that for you. Okay, all right. Good, good. Anything else on that Frank? No, that's all Becky had. So I noticed on the the we got the liquor license for Sandy's books in bakery and what was looked slightly unusual to me is that usually they would mark down whether it is a restaurant or a hotel or what have you and they wrote in there a new box saying retail and I guess that's because of the class 2 liquor license which a lot of restaurants are doing so they can sell for people to take off the premises and just a way of them to which has been authorized by the state for to help offset some of the stresses of the COVID on small businesses. I'm just not clear if that's a legitimate way to submit the liquor license application to the state if they would accept that or not. I believe it is because of the new COVID the way that they're setting it up now so that they can sell retail because they don't have the space inside. Right, right. That's what I thought but I just thought I'd bring it up because I noticed it was written in there and just like we're allowed to have this meeting on Zoom and not physically joining each other so right so in light of that I'd move to approve that application then. Second that. Yep all in favor. All right. Okay and and really this meeting could be living up to its name of Zoom if no one else has anything else they want to talk about because that's all we all we have on the agenda. There is some issues we need to address with the taxes. Oh right because we haven't put out anything on the taxes and we got that August you know date that they're due but we need to come up with something that we've decided that we could wait till September 15th but I think with the school budget being an issue and I believe Julie found out that we can issue three payments through we can we can make that as a select board so that we would have three payments instead of four for the year and so that way we could stagger the payment we could put it off a little farther waiting for the state to final finalize the numbers for the the school budget and then if we wouldn't be having two payments stacked right against each other right. Right so we can authorize that if we need to is that I'm correct on that right Julie. Oh yes you can yep during the state of emergency you can make that decision. Okay and so that's something that we might want to consider she's going to have to mail out postcards here because we were looking at as our last meeting and we approved the minutes we had it set for September 15th. So is this something you guys are going to discuss and decide on it the next meeting or something or do it beforehand or what. Well it's really up to the board but start getting pretty close. The next thing is the night before the vote so we're not going to know anything more that night than that we know now. So if I just said that you'll make a decision at a future meeting or maybe the second meeting in August. Well the the thing even if the school budget passes in August we have a 60-day period that we can't collect any money on it so it's going to back us up to October 15th on the collection part. So then we're going to have back-to-back payments. Right that's if the school budget passes but if it doesn't then the state's going to authorize what our rates going to be anyway as I understand it they sent us something that is is a boilerplate thing for us to mail out tax bills on. So I think we're going to have to make a decision on whether or not we want to go three payments or do before. And this is just to clarify for people that haven't been involved in this conversation yet. Clarify that to save the expense of having to reissue tax bills if we go ahead and issue an initial tax bill and then we get the adjusted rate and then we have to turn around and reissue the tax bills and there's a not only the expense of mailing them but there's the expense of having the people come in to reset this not to something we do in house that the Nimrick does that. So it's um I mean what do we gain by putting this decision off anything there's not really doesn't sound like there's really we're going to be forced into it one way or another with the the waiting period that has to happen after the the vote is that correct? Right the lawyer the lawyer that I spoke with said that the other option is that people can they can pay their August payment based on last year and then have a credit or you know they'll have to add more to their bill once the bills go out they'll see the difference because it'll be credited to their account. So she said they could they could send it in early or if you wait then it just takes out all that confusion and I with three bills I worry that is it a lot but then there's not a lot of time because you're talking October to June if you did four that's every two months you're getting a bill so either way it's kind of messy. Either way we got to pay the taxes. We do right? Yeah. It might it sounds like if you made a decision now at least people would know what to expect I don't know. It's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't see an issue with the three payments if it's well documented and well advertised and put out to the public personally I don't know that it's going to be that much of a hardship yes it's more money on three payments than four but there's plenty of time in between to for people to know that. Right well it's more money but it's putting the payment off a little bit farther so it's not like asking them to come up with a larger amount right now. Right exactly and the other thing is I think we should be okay financially as far as a town goes for you know having enough money in our coffers to cover anything until we do have a tax date. Correct. Is that correct Julie? Yes yeah because we have the line of credit to fall back on or correct because it would be like anticipating taxes right we could get a loan if we had to. Right so there'd be interest on that so it would cost the money to borrow the money to cover. When does the first school payment come due? The education part of it isn't the education part of the first week I believe the first week of December but the education like the center of the school is due quarterly absolutely quarterly. Well we either make a decision now or we have the same conversation in our next meeting right? Correct. Right yep I'm inclined to go with the three payments and just so people know what's going on. Say what? What would be the dates of the payments? I think we'd go right to when we do November would be the first payment and then we just follow the what we have. November, February and May. February and May right? Right. I think we just do that because it's it's kind it might be it's hopefully just a one-term deal where we have to do deal with it this way. Yeah no I would hope that we wouldn't we could then fall back to the regular schedule. Yeah right so the question is for Julie do you have to have number at the dial in and change everything around and pay them to do that so that we have three payments instead of four? I don't believe so I think we can do that internally I think we can we can do we can put the dates in ourselves. Okay that's good but I wonder too if instead of that November I wonder if we should do October 15 then February then May just so that we're not we're not waiting all the way out to November for money coming in. We probably could do that and skip the November payment and make it October that might not be a bad idea that's that's kind of what I was thinking originally. So October February and May would be the due dates if you approve this. Yeah yeah and that gives us enough time to hopefully have the final numbers for what the school education bill is going to be. It sounds like a good way to go. Julie that doesn't have any bearing on escrow accounts that just gets divvied up no matter when the payments are due correct? Correct. Well I'm going to entertain a motion to to make that adjustment. I'll second it. Yeah all in favor? All right all right October February and May 15th. It's just a big mess any way we deal it out. Yeah right we have to come up with something. Are you going to be okay with putting out some sort of notice Julie on that? Yeah now that I have clarity I can send that out. Sure. Okay. So we're sticking with an October payment due no matter what happens with the school budget. If it gets defeated again then your October 15th date could be null and void again. So no I don't know no the state the state's given us guidelines on that already if it gets defeated again I think we have to put in what they have requested that we do and through that email we got there in a week there. Right. I'm not really sure all about it but I think that that's the way we have to go with that. Is that you talked to the lawyer Julie is that kind of the justice you had out of that? That's what I that's what I that's what she had said yeah. And then if there is an adjustment it would probably be adjusted on the last payment in May. I believe so. I can and I once if you know well once we get there we'll we'll have more you know I can I can get a better idea of what that all is. All right and the COVID effect continues huh yeah yeah bring it on I guess yeah so and as a just a side note I guess everyone's aware of the governor is with the mandate of masks and public spaces and businesses and where people cannot keep a distance starting August 1st so that solves the the question of is that something that the select board needed to mandate so now it's um I was hoping that we would get that guidance from above so there um there you have it. And they have to post signs too is that correct? Did I did I understand that to be part of that? I'm not sure about that but it makes sense. The uh the state sent us we have 10 signs that just came yesterday about masks which uh we're gonna forget where to put around town for these businesses. Right but they're not specifically um referring to the the mandate from the governor are they no no but they they were generated before that decision yeah yeah I think isn't the mandate that all businesses have to post that that's what I thought it was but I could be wrong on that. Department of Health put out a thing this afternoon about it which was really long I read it but I can't remember what they said about it. Yeah it's hard to read through a mask yeah but um all right so I guess we'll see more signs going up around town then and more masks. All right um is there anything else anyone wants to speak about? I think we're um down at the bottom of the agenda. Let me this one I'll make something clear because I don't think my my attempt to keep things simple I don't know if I made clear how much work Julie did she did well she was really helpful and she did a lot of work uh and I just I'm you know was uh I just want to make sure everybody understands that I appreciate that and she did a lot of work in this by making it was not a simple issue it was the hardest and she was really helpful. Thanks for your appreciation. Thank you thank you Rob. Emma you had something you want to say? Yes thank you I I messaged in the chat but maybe that's not being monitored um I would like to ask a moment to follow up on the permit road improvement permit approved last meeting. Um I would prepare suggestions sent an email to the select board on the 17th and um I haven't heard anything back so I wondered if there could be maybe now a response and the main question is is how is the how will we be notified is has this been decided? The um well I how would you like to be notified with a phone call or an email I don't know if um do you know if um Marty and Kristen have your contact information? Um I I don't know per se but is the notification coming from the town office or from Martin Kristen? Well I think they were we're expecting to be notified a couple days ahead of time also so I would and I would um I would think you would come from them that step. Okay so uh is it because it's not clear is there an agreement on a couple is it a couple days is it three days? Are you trying to get in on a um select board meeting? The um we have someone here requesting to get in on the meeting and um who has the you want the um okay the meeting ID number is eight six seven four eight two zero five oh two five four eight two zero five eight two five and the pass code is five four eight eight four six and I I saw you driving through town a couple times so it's posted on the town clerk's office there yeah right so the pass code is five four you have the dial it's here let me give you a number sorry about this guys the call in number is one nine two nine two zero five six oh nine nine the pass code is five four eight eight four six five four eight eight four six there you go that's the the meeting ID number yeah I'm yeah we're okay no all right sorry about that somebody else um Emma so um yeah I guess I better watch for the waiting room if someone wants to come in here I'm kind of late for them to join in it is kind of late to join in so I I guess um Julie do you have Emma's contact information I just have an email and I believe phone number there were three emails in the message three emails okay yes uh yeah I was I I put that in the email that email is a great way to be notified and there's three emails there um okay so that that'd be the way you'd prefer to be to be notified on the email yeah that that's fine um is um but damn I I'm not clear on what is the notice agreement I heard you just said a few days that didn't seem very specific well I don't we say two days then I mean not not not weeks ahead of time um two days is very little notice it's been it's been three years of notice really even the whole process but um it's it's I mean what do you the same treatment that we give for all of our roads we just replaced a culvert on Townline Road last week um and and they had about three days notice um that the road was going to be closed that that's our normal procedure you know two to four days of getting notice of a road closure so it's probably just going to follow suit to what we already have as kind of a procedure okay uh thank you for clarifying um in this case I I'm wondering um we um my family reached out to another surveyor because before before the permit was approved we're wondering what is actually on the ground we don't know where our property line is so per the this the U.S. Forest Service Survey done by um Lutheran Gomer we were unclear and um so that surveyor Paul Hannon has sent a letter to the select board giving um an analysis from the situation and um we I would appreciate if that is um looked at by me to you um and the question that I have here is is okay if it's two or three days notice we don't know where they're actually going to go and I'm wondering if there's any way there could be a a walk uh or or to mark it out or and maybe this is something to do with Marty and Kristen but if there could be support from the town to do so so that we know what to expect when it's our last meeting uh Marty and Kristen anticipated that the whole project would only be about three days um so you know I don't think we're talking about something that's going to go on for weeks months this is this place pretty quickly there's also a reading newspaper that um they have also uh addition to the town of Hancock to improve the section of the road that's in Hancock and that did not get approved at that meeting that got moved to the next meeting so maybe your start date of mid august is probably much more realistic um given sorry I just don't understand the start date of mid august is realistic because of the Hancock decision right their permit to improve the road the section of the road that's in Hancock was not approved at that select board meeting so they have to wait till the next select board meeting which is two weeks later uh to have the consideration and the decision done so it's it's going if they don't they don't have their their full permit in place for both towns okay read in the paper uh huh okay um well I hear that they say they are going to do it in a couple days and that's fine but the description in the um you know in the permit is that there that there'll be a culvert or something put in off of uh where our driveway starts and we're not sure where that is intended to be um and I don't for my understanding of the from the surveyors that the the point between the length between the two monuments right there's a monument found on the north and the southeast points that the point the section in between is actually not laid out so um there's a question of what where is it actually going to be um and ask if there's anything that can be done from the the select board's one of you to ease that I mean we could ask for a survey to be done of that section um I don't know how feasible that is but uh at the very least to to have a better understanding of what they're gonna where where they're going to do this um basically it's right it's right on the edge of the the property line and the the boundary between um your property and the forest service we don't know where that is I mean there's where are we have where we're like trees start but down below particularly to where do they cut off well I guess I've gone through this um bunch of times I I don't have the maps in front of me and and you know in a specific survey I think that basically going by the the depends like you say the monuments um you know decreeing the um it's pretty it's pretty clear where the road could go is far away from your house and before it starts to be you know undulating not flat terrain it's it's not I think that it's it's pretty um you know it's it's kind of kind of um obvious is right along the edge of the until it it starts to the land starts to rise Dune could I ask you have you read the letter from Paul Hannon surveyor I is this one that came a couple years ago or is this a new no it came today no I have not read I've not seen that letter today could I ask could it be read and that this be revisited or addressed this has been um this has gone through the court systems and we're sued saying that the town the road was not where the town map shows it to be and the judge determined that it was so it's um I will read I will read his letter and Dune yeah I read that letter today yeah and I I think it would behoove you to read that letter there was some points brought up concerning the judge and what he decided and uh this uh surveyors worked for you guys before yep no I know his name yeah so I think you really ought to read that letter and it would be good for all people uh concerned also we're talking about that culvert that's proposed to go in at the junction of this road and mason's driveway that culvert I'd like you to really take careful consideration to as far as where that's water is going to go because I'm all that all that water heads towards your place yeah yeah yeah that's important and I don't want it coming across my land yeah well there is a culvert they're already handed that water into your place so yeah it's um it's um so technically that that where mason's driveway heads off from the road that's that culvert should be across his driveway on the edge of the road but um but I I'll read that and then and I weren't happy to you know look at this and try and make it as clear as possible for so so I do you know what's what's going to be happening well I'd appreciate it when that culvert goes in that it's angled in such a direction to put the water away from my property and not straight down over the bank yeah yeah um thank you yeah thank you um just to I'm not sure what's happening now here but wondering if you know if you can look at it and and it's like board can consider how this could be clearer for all parties and of course we need to bring in martin and christin to the conversation I don't know what the best process is that if you think we should reach out to them directly or have a cc the town I don't know I would think it would make sense for the the town to work with them and to communicate to you so I will be involved with that some more okay um okay uh well thank you for the time and please do read the letter um yep no I just arrived today I didn't get a chance to see it like I don't think we can make it to my box yet all right um thank you Emma thank you yeah I understand your concerns and then there's um no desire to make it any more impactful than it than it needs to be thank you yeah um all right um the anybody else there's anything I'd like to speak are you ready to go swimming all right then um thank you all for coming oh no all right going once going twice um so thank you all have a good night have a good evening I know bye night