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Testing, testing, testing. but noticed it wasn't on H.E.R. cool awesome yeah unfortunately just to let the audience know Tom is unfortunately unable to host today's show so it will be a Scott and I it will be an awesome show because it is Scott and I actually sounds like a documentary oh wait that's Roger and me saying concept different name watch you know that's my name where did my cursor go my cursor go I wasn't shared in on there uh-oh hey let me see let me see let me stop this do you hear me talking do you hear me talking do you hear me talking and the audio there is audio my gosh my wife put a piece of furniture in the way of this room that I didn't have a light on my knee oh that's the worst I wish you would warn me woke me up though I'm gonna start recording our audio you're good with just recording the audio from the show yeah just start recording our pre-show audio for the treasure chest it's coughs been killing me hopefully won't be too bad do you have a cold or is it allergy it's just I don't know I'd like had one day about a week and a half ago where I felt kind of crappy and then everything went away then the next day I just started getting this weird persistent cough and it's been there since and I haven't I don't feel bad in any other way just it's mostly at night but just this little weird thing in the back of my throat oh that's gonna be a bruise so quick wrap here so at the top the red part under your name you can just read those and I'll I can throw in my two cents worth but nothing too much and then we'll go straight to the top stories and then we'll jaw-jaw about Facebook ends its effort to personalize trending topics you know and kind of and that's kind of the the big piece of the puzzle is curation because curations always kind of had a very hit-and-miss approach whether it's music video I mean YouTube does it and sometimes it gets it right sometimes it doesn't Pandora that's the kicker I think there's some examples where we really like it and others where we don't need to have a forced on us I wrote a lot of that down so hopefully we can I think we can go the good cool I'm just aiming to yeah I got heard out at 215 but it should be good show be fun yeah so you do you have any questions mr. gunner wearing post those of the gunner glasses gunner oh yeah well they're knockoffs but they do the same thing for about a tenth of the price that's good I can't wear them because I got glasses yeah I used to not be able to for that same reason until my surgeries and then well that's right you got lesic or well no I had cataract surgeries for some weird genetic early cataract thing this is the 1800s I'd be a blind guy in a port somewhere you know that's like even if even in the 80s I would be I would be mr. Magoo it would be horrible that'd be really bad but because of those when you get that surgery I thought to our glasses for distance but he said all right now the change here is that you can when we do the surgery you can lock it in where you wanted your normal vision to be because it's mono focal and I said oh all right well I'd like it right like computer range you said okay no problem so that's what they did the only problems I had to do one eye at a time over about a year's period so for like a year one I was totally different than the other eye and then the next year that I had to catch up and it was crazy 2013 2014 weird years for me I just want to buy on the guys people come in with prosthetic limbs I want to buy the guy I'm all I'm all up in that so if you want let me share let's see if these share screen works before I do anything else and then where is it here is this it just because I'm talking that's what it's sees whatever it's life right so you can start whenever you're comfortable with going okay yeah and then just remember to hit record yep okay I think we're ready to go and we're all streaming everything's good right yes oh how much do I want to I mean I want to mention my Tom's not here obviously do I want to get any more detail than that um yeah I mean I kind of left it out I just say like for I mean for personal reasons I mean I'm not sure how I actually didn't ask him how far to go into it I'll just I'll make it vague I'll say you had some important stuff to take care of and ask that we sit informed today and then he can fill in tomorrow yeah sounds good all right and then we'll just probably aim to keep this around 33 minutes yeah I will try not to make it long okay here we go then let's start it it all starts right now the Daily Tech Show sorry let me go back the Daily Tech News Show is powered by its audience to find out more head to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support this is the Daily Tech News Show for Wednesday January 25th 2017 I'm Scott Johnson filling in for Tom Merritt I'm actually here every Wednesday but I'm filling in today Tom had some stuff come up that he needed to be attending and we are happy to sit in for I'm joining me producer of the show extraordinaire Mr. Roger Chang hello Roger hello Scott thank you very much my face will show up shortly I believe I believe in your ability to have your face show up we're excited to be here although we will miss Tom there's a lot of stuff going on today and we'll get right into it but let's start by telling people a few a few little things no there's been a lot of talk right now about Raspberry Pi and what's happening with those things I'm actually building a video game cabinet based on one well ZD and that reports of Google AI is coming to the Raspberry Pi this year according to the Raspberry Pi Foundation Google plans on releasing a range of small tools or smart tools rather for the platform and has set up an online survey for Raspberry Pi users to fill out also Google reports it took down 1.7 billion bad ads they're calling them in 2016 versus 780 million it removed into 2015 that is quite a jump year over year and it's annual bad ads report a new policy regarding payday loan ads system updates that spot bad ads like payday loans ads designed to look like system errors and fake news plus better detection of self-clicking ads on mobile contributed to the increase I wondered about that mobile thing and finally Google has announced via a tweeted link to a series of puzzles that Google IO 2017 will be held at the shoreline amphitheater May 17th through the 19th this is the third time the event will be at the shoreline so bring your shades and your SPF 100 because last time those guys looked really hot it's the rest of the stories alright let's start here and we're gonna talk about this at length in our topic today but in a blog post that said it will this discontinue the personalized trending topics box Facebook has replaced it with a list of regional subjects people within the same geographic reason region rather will have the ability to see the same subject list as everyone in their region of course Facebook will also display the headline and publisher below the topic more importantly the way the story is considered trending is being changed to take into account how many publishers are writing about the same topic so the little experiment didn't really work out we're gonna talk more about what we think that means in the world of curated content a little bit later on the show and not just with news and not just with web content but what does it mean for movies and and television and streaming content in general and all the other kinds of things that we consume via an internet connection so I'm looking forward to that Roger I just you're over under your big take on the big my big take is what a strange was it six eight months it's been for this like roller coaster ride and it really I think really the bigger underlying picture is how difficult this really is to get right this isn't something it befuddles humans right and to get a machine learning on it needs to take in all these variables that there's so second nature to people that they don't think about it and I think there lies of the crux of the issue is that trying to teach things to people and not to people's difficult enough trying to teach things to a machine so it's better than people it's gonna be a lot harder yeah not only that you know it's like a kid I know that my kids when they were two or three like corn dogs but if I'm to curate their meals I probably shouldn't say well since you liked corn dogs last time maybe you would like corn dogs again and do nothing but corn dogs the rest of their lives I think it's a lot more complicated and we'll get into it there's stuff to this definitely you read this next one oh yeah sorry now Amazon is Amazon has started shipping items from its Chinese partners to American warehouses via ocean freighters according to the Wall Street Journal now Amazon will not own the ships but instead be the logistics provider and organizer for the vessels in a similar manner to the way like FedEx and UPS operate now since October Amazon has freight forwarded over 115 containers of goods from their partners in China so this is this is very interesting because in many respects they're trying to muscle in on the entire chain of their operation so instead of just being we're gonna sell to you we're gonna third we're gonna middleman are shipping to you be it the the United States Postal Service or whatever post service that you have or we're gonna go with DHL we're gonna go with UPS we're gonna go with FedEx and this is like no it this might be a little more efficient it both it's both simultaneously incredible but also very scary because what they're trying to do is consolidate in a supply line chain from there from their warehouses to their providers that's all Amazon controlled yeah and moreover it's a half step toward what I think they ultimately may end up being which is a complete logistics chain right now this is them saying we're gonna basically we're gonna co-op some services and we're gonna we're gonna have money involved in the ships and we're gonna be a part of it but we're not entirely it but if you're asking me and I don't think this is all that conspiratorial I think that Amazon would let one day like you control everything from point A all the way to point Z and whatever that may be in between whether it's shipping lanes whether it's air travel whether it's drones over your house dropping off a package I think they want to own every every inch of that so we'll see how that all plans out or plays out rather team mobile will now be offering a free year of Hulu's $7.99 cent plan the one with the ads mind you this is the one that I don't want but anyway they're gonna do it to AT&T AT&T customers who jump ship to the company's one plan in addition to the original offer of one year free direct TV now direct TV now is the live streaming service owned by AT&T that was launched not too long ago that's interesting I guess that's just a now a sort of cross services way for them to say hey why don't you leave this other provider and come over here and hang out with us this is just an interesting new wrinkle in the same way that carriers have been trying to get people for a long time I guess it's it's almost a very backhanded way of poking fun at AT&T for because you know direct TV now as awesome as it sounds has some issue with with their streaming delivery and if Lagarde did kind of bring that up he said quote it turns out direct TV now is barely watchable but we've got customers bet we got our customers back and this is kind of ostensibly why they're rolling out Hulu but really it's just like you know we're a company and we're we're we we were taking we're eating your lunch and then we're just gonna backhand your inability to even fight back with it with any kind of modicum of competency and so we're gonna throw something else in just to kind of rub it in a little bit I don't know the whole thing is so crazy to me I still I still think we're about 10 years away from seeing a complete shift on how wireless internet works and I think it's gonna follow the pattern that landline based dial-up to then broadband services changed I mean we could do a whole topic on this one day but I just don't think that the way the wireless world works today is the way it will work in even 2020 yet there will be there will be significant changes I think within the five next five six years speaking of changes in the latest version of Netflix Android app users can now download movies onto micro SD cards fancy that previously the download feature was limited to internal storage content stored on the meeting would still expire over time and Netflix notes that the support for micro SD downloads varies by device interesting so they didn't get real specific about what devices as I was trying to look at this but pretty bold move saying this is now a something that can be removed via external or rather you know storage that isn't internal to the device and then done with what anyone wants to so clearly they've got good DRM in place here they must or they wouldn't be willing to do this but I still think that's super risky for them if that's a concern maybe it isn't anymore maybe maybe in their minds if that this is where they came to get the content this is where they'll always come to get the content and they're not that worried about somebody hacking slash reverse engineering these files and figuring out a way to share them online I mean it's definitely a risk but I think it's I think it's balanced against that well now we have competitors that are also kind of sharpening their knives to to compete with us Amazon being the prime prime one of funding their own TV shows movies whatever original content we need to start differentiating ourselves so that you know when our users customers use our product we're going to offer that one little feature creep that makes us a little more attractive to the competitor not to say that people would dump something else but not dump Netflix right because you know not all of Netflix library catalog overlaps amazon or vice versa but it's definitely you know one of those things where people say like well do I really need two or three like right now I have humu hulu hulu amazon prime and netflix you know I've I've always toyed with the ideas like should I kick one out which one I do I watch the least which one's the least convenient and netflix being able to watch it maybe you may perhaps offline on the sd storage would be great especially on long car rides where you don't have a cell connection in between you know like vegas and la or you just need to quite the kids down in the back with like some soothing I don't know what's a kid's video Phineas and Ferb or what does my kid watch she watches a lot of oh super wings on the amazon prime with the talking airplanes yeah I'm kind of a peppa pig fan myself if I'm going to admit to liking a kid's cartoon but but yeah moreover it's it's an interesting method to say well all right what if what if the adult or whoever involved or whoever owns the content or subscribes the content they want to bring it to their phone first which saves it to an sd micro sd and depending on that device it will work and be there then you could take that micro sd out of there stick it in your notebook stick it in your pc stick it in some other device that takes micro sd and now you can watch it on that device uh it's just interesting why wouldn't you get it on the device you're going to watch it on in the first place maybe I assume that that you can't watch this even on the removable storage on a device that doesn't have the amazon app on it or excuse me the netflix app on it because it's not going to know how to recognize it it's not like just some mp4 in there um so it seems a little weird to me that you'd initiate something on a phone and go there and maybe they don't plan to do that maybe their whole point is whatever additional micro sd storage you have will support it and that just means you're not using internal storage your 8 gig or whatever low amount is fine and now you've got this extra 200 gig to put movies on either way I like the idea of them opening up a little bit and we'll see how it goes you know and you know they had the one final point airplanes right you're on a five hour flight between coasts um you don't want to pay for their you know in-flight internet which isn't that great to begin with and you don't like what they offer for movie content on the little screen on the back of the head rest you pull out your tablet or whatever that you have like six or eight movies loaded that you want to watch like you want to binge watch on a bunch of stuff that you haven't been able to get to yeah since netflix last time we checked netflix isn't available in flight is it not that i know of unless they have some kind of deal so this is a great way i mean with amazon's app i do this now i um i watched the entire second season of man on the high castle by downloading it first it's not an ipad in this case and no micro sd but just internal storage but i got all 10 of those episodes downloaded from amazon so i could watch them wherever i was with or without a connection and that was great i really really liked that and netflix does that as well not with all their programming but with chunks of it um certainly their own original programming so this is just another way for them to get that out there i'm happy that prime is in this mix that there is real competition throwing company you know people like hulu playstation view and everybody else they start to make these companies be a little bit more quick on their feet come up with features we want compete on real you know on real uh features and issues and payment and all that other stuff it's good for us as consumers definitely yeah start downloading your netflix movies now everybody and get that sd card ready uh in a blog post instagram announced that live video on instagram stories would begin rolling out globally over the next week starting january 24th the feature will be available to all users as part of their 10.0 update version of the of the app live videos can be started directly from the camera and the instagram stories part of the app and disappear once recording is complete now this is already been available to a lot of people this is a worldwide global rollout so get ready for weird ephemeral videos uh or more importantly live ones where i don't know roger can change diaper you can witness the whole thing you know a lot of people are using it as a way to to kind of narrow cast their brought the their particular stories to an audience already well conditioned to enjoy it like say you're into a particular type of baking like you know you like baking in the in like a dutch oven that's all you do so you just have a dutch oven stream or um all you like all you like playing like video games is you only like playing dance rhythm games so that's an entire channel it's it's very interesting because um we went from broadcasting which was from one source to many people to kind of people being able to select and then uh do point to point conversations with a group select of people and if and youtube is kind of broaden that out to let back to one person to to not as many but but still a good chunk of people and now it's it's i think that there's a there's a competition to get all these uh for one of these platforms to come out the winner because everyone thinks like i want to be the next youtube right because that's where the that's where the the monies eventually somehow will be made and everyone will be super rich um i think it's cool i'm not it's it's i'm i'm still it's not for you is maybe what you're saying and i'm not for me i'm kind of with you like as excited as i am about all of these things happening and as much as i stream on twitch and enjoy that from a video games and creative standpoint um everybody and their dog having apps that want that want me to stop what i'm doing and periscope or facebook live or instagram or whatever snapchat they want me to make this stuff for my for the niche audiences that want to see it uh i think it's great i i just starting to wonder if we're all going to run out of stuff to say that's interesting and if that's the case also which platform wins i don't know like i feel like facebook gets a lot more traction on their live videos than other platforms simply because they're facebook and so maybe by sheer numbers they'll end up winning maybe there is no winning and it'll just be a default requirement if you're ever going to make a service that has anything to do with video that you're going to have to have strong streaming tools and all of that being said the least strength or the place with the least amount of strength in this area i think is youtube funny enough so they're so they're all making this unique sort of idea of hey wanting too many streaming let's do it and it's all live and they're doing it from their phones or whatever but youtube doesn't really have a great way to do that yet not in the same way that it is easy to do a facebook live video or easy to do an instagram live video or whatever um periscope even easier on twitter or wherever you're using periscope so so to me that's the more interesting story here is where does that all end up does it end up with a glut of apps and nobody they're all kind of the same and nobody knows which one to use and it's all about which one has the biggest audience in the end or does youtube suddenly swing around and say guess what our mobile app now has on-demand quick cast type personal streaming and we figured out a way to make it work and it's not kluge and hard to use i don't know or they someone could clue in on let me make one particular platform that happens to stream across all of them at the same time and thereby writing piggyback on top of instagram periscope whatever uh facebook live down with that i think the platform holders i could be wrong about this i mean you've noticed in the last few years twitter has really tightened down who and what they'll allow on their api um it used to be a much more open thing and everybody and their dog was going to make a twitter client and twitter would just be the service and these clients would be the clients and now they're really just are a handful that are still you know in that space they've they've decided instead to cut back on what the api api allows these people to do which has been very frustrating to them and then on the other hand beefing up their own app putting in their own services putting in polls and gift search and all this other stuff directly into that app only that seemed like they're trying to wall garden that thing again and i don't necessarily blame them but my point is i think that's true across the board there's a reason when you paste a youtube link on facebook that it doesn't have a very good embed feature it's sort of small and like postage stampy and it takes you out of the site to look at it but if you post a instagram video in there it is fully integrated into facebook you don't have to leave to watch the entire thing and it's as if you've posted a facebook app or a video well why well because they own facebook and they've decided they want that to be part of the ecosystem they don't own youtube and if anything have an adversarial position in the market with them so i i they're not motivated to make that an easy an easy thing to have happen so so i'm with you 100 i want a service that goes one to all of them let's just do it to every one of them it makes perfect sense to me a tweet deck for example but for yes and i'm not sure any of them are going to allow that kind of integration with their apis i hope that's true because it makes things a lot less crazy and you can just kind of pick and choose what you want to use but i think they all want to have flag ship sort of prominence in the minds of users definitely speaking of prominence in the minds of users zuckerberg has shot down rumors of a presidential bid surprise surprise he told buzzfeed news quote no i'm focused on building our community at facebook and working on the chan zuckerberg initiative rumors of a no rumors of a possible zuckerberg presidential run has surrounded him since uh since late last year when he announced that he plans to visit around 30 us states asking folks about their lives as well as making public his belief in spirit in a spiritual belief before uh he think he announced himself as an atheist and kind of switched that the last month that he did that it basically it so the thing is people don't say they're not doing something if they're not going to do it right so it by by discounting a presidential bid he's kind of tacitly implying that he actually will be running right no one said like for example i'm not going to go go to you uh scott say i'm not going to be a garbage man and like maybe i have weird dreams about being a garbage man and it's just my you know my my my my uh subversive way of telling you that i am going to be a garbage man i don't know but uh especially with something that high profile he's something's up yeah i mean okay here's my take real quick we we live in a time where uh we now know it's possible to be a businessman with a lot of money and a lot of high profile prominence um to run for president and and get there so we know that that part of it's possible then he announces i'm going to go to 30 us states and ask folks about their lives that is the most campaigny sounding thing i've ever heard in my life right um i'm not saying it's a guarantee or that it makes any of this for sure but it's definitely you can't read that and not jump to some of those conclusions so i understand people's desire to hear that and go oh yeah well of course he is one day i don't know maybe he will maybe he won't um he's he certainly got a long time to think about it he could have multiple campaigns and lose them and still still become president one day given how young he is um so so who knows my thinking is nobody ever says never to anything uh and if they do that usually doesn't mean anything i remember when steve job said somebody asked him is apple ever going to make a phone and he held up his trio and said i wouldn't throw away our trios just yet which everyone was supposed to on the face of it take as oh well he's saying apple's not interested there's already good players in the market and a year and a half later there was the iphone so so that's what this feels like to me and who knows president zuckerberg could be in our future i mean it's essentially a stocking horse right you just put it out there to see how it floats with the wider audience that you put that you potentially need to gain support from for any kind of political bid right whether it's presidential uh congressional senatorial or or gubernatorial right i mean there's so many offices you can aim for but it's he's putting feelers out but i'm not going to commit to it right so if people are like totally pan it's not like well i didn't really mean it and you know it's it's it's a very interesting ploy uh not not not as uncommon as you would think yeah and also i think it'd be a really interesting run so we'll see what the future holds finally venture beat reports on sources saying yaway is preparing to launch the yaway watch two in february the android wear android android wear device will feature a sportier design in the original and have optional support for cellular data i think that's a big thing with the ability to make and receive phone calls directly on the watch the source reported that yaway watch two may debut at mobile world congress in barcelona but cautioned this was not finalized this all in the wake of some new android wear updates and releases and a very interesting um focus on uh well some of the latest stuff i've read about android wear is starting to see what google always does making it making really good ios compatibility they're beefing that up i'm not sure that has anything to do with yaway's plans for this watch but i'm telling you when watch wars really take off right now we are in the infantile stage is when you start making calls on that thing like dick tracy and this seems like a step in that direction dick tracy how many people understand that reference very in this day and age uh it's it's a watch it's android-y it's cool it's i i'm still i'm still a little lukewarm on the whole wearables outside of uh fitness tractors like fit and stuff like that um i personally still believe that a lot of these products are still uh solutions looking for a problem and so and it may find one it might find one might eventually find one in 2017 when something something triggers it like oh i was stuck on a top of the himalaya and i didn't i wouldn't have been able to get out of it if not for my yaway watch too and its connectivity you know something like that yeah look forward to this year being it and that is a look at your headlines all right uh i want to discuss this a little bit and by the way thanks everybody who uh submits and helps vote for stories we really appreciate it we'll talk more about you at the end of the show our discussion story today facebook ending its effort to personalize trending topics and um that box was never very good at nailing what you wanted to see personally that was the big complaint about it a lot of people are like i doesn't really feel like this was for me or it's sometimes very wrong for me um i have opinions as to why this was a harder mountain for them to climb than it is for amazon to recommend products based on other things you've already purchased mainly we're talking about a lot of thought content on facebook and a lot of links and a lot of data and news and stuff that gets so granular that it's impossible for any algorithm any computer or even another person to perfectly apply those to another person and say this these are the things you are for sure going to be the most interested in and so the way it's going to work now is everybody will see the same list in the same regions and they said this in a statement this is designed to help make sure people don't miss important topics being focused on by facebook that might not show up in their news feeds and the thinking is that this will be a more manageable solution they're also changing the way they calculate whether a story is trending so before now a story could appear in the trending box if a single story were about to go viral now facebook will take into account how many publishers appear to be writing about that exact same thing in part as an effort to combat the viral spread of hoaxes so again an effort to maybe curb some of the quote-unquote fake news we've been hearing about lately this should surface trending topics quicker they said be more effective at capturing and brought a range of news and events from around the world and also help ensure the trending topics reflect real world events again that's all from their statement so got us to thinking about the bigger issue which is curation and how much of it do we have how much of it do we need how good is what we've got and where could it maybe be improved and I've always been of the mind when it comes to the kinds of content available on facebook whether it's opinions or news or reshares of a thousand different memes or whatever it is it's better to let the user discover this stuff without trying to be let around somewhere and I think by doing it by region or doing it in a way that that is more quote-unquote local to you it's not quite local obviously a region is a much bigger place but you know things that may apply to what's going on in the united states or what might be happening in Canada if you live in the Netherlands what's going on there they're going to have a better shot at that target it's a little bit wider of a shot it's a little bit more um I don't know it's like a shotgun instead of a sniper rifle but I think you're going to hit the right targets more often with this and got me to thinking like how would this apply to say the way we get our music or the way that other kinds of content are curated for us so right now as it works Roger if you turn on Netflix I don't know how many accounts you have set up do you have one for your kid and then one for you or how do you do it I have one for me and then because she's at the age where she can't really operate anything I will put it in children's mode and okay pick stuff now what that will mean because it's on your account your curated recommended for you type lists are going to be based upon your watching habits and your watching habits could be anything from you catching up on the last season of Breaking Bad to the latest delightful episode of the teletubbies or whatever okay we've got this big weird range of things and it's going to try to algorithmically decide based on those habits what it's going to recommend you watch or tell you that if you liked this you might also like that and even one step further uh uh Netflix does a thing that annoys the crap out of me which is they will give star reviews five for things that you haven't seen yet that aren't based on everyone else's reviews or what everyone else thought in traditional ways of thinking about reviews it's based on what you've seen what you've liked before so therefore you must like this and that's frustrating because I do a show about crappy movies called film sack and I use the same account for it probably shouldn't but because I watch you know clowns from outer space or some other you know crawl or some dumb movie like that it thinks I want to see something dumb like that again and we'll give it this five star rating and I'll look at it and go I don't I don't know but then things I do actually like it you could have it two and a half stars and I think why is that so low and I forget oh that's what it thinks I'm gonna think about it so that's when I start to feel like it goes a little too far I'd love to know your take so like really you know the more I think about it and I step back from the from the question at hand like is you know what's the state what is the future of curation it seems like there there needs to be a curated form of curation right you need to curate the way you curate because it really depends on the context in which someone searches for example what you say about Netflix movies Netflix movies the way they write them is so annoying because there's movies I really enjoy even though they had one or two stars because I don't watch enough Spanish language movies so it might pop one up because I watch one every few months and I'll give it one star because I don't watch too many but but it's a really funny good movie my wife and I are sitting there laughing our asses off and it's like why did he get one star it's like oh it's because this isn't a movie that its algorithm would have considered I would enjoy while it gives me endless sports documentaries because I liked one where that followed the the travels of a an American basketball college basketball player who played basketball in Iran and it was a documentary and suddenly started sending me all these documentaries about sports which I'm not super into I just liked that particular one that all of them have four or five stars it's really entertaining it happened to me on the board the same thing goes for music and stuff I mean I I feel like I mean the reason curation exists though Roger is because we have said in our computing age we don't want just lists anymore because we could just say show me everything alphabetical or you know in the past that's what you did or re-sort it to be most recent or re-sort it to be the most downloaded and so we make decisions based on that um what I like about curation and I wish this was just more true across the board is I don't mind it when you say when I go to my streaming music service hey here are four new albums you might like based on what you listen to but I can very quickly ignore that list and go straight to the sort it by what I want I want 70s rock today I want 1940s big band I want you know current day EDM I want dead mouse whatever it is I can just go to it and not be forced down weird paths to get to where I need to go because it thinks it knows what path I want to take give me some up fronts totally cool with that kind of like you know you bought toilet paper here at amazon might we also recommend this sure but I may also just go searching around your site for stuff I really want to get I don't mind that that isn't a problem bad examples of where this happens and I can't speak to the details but on youtube changing their algorithms quite a bit so the creators being founded in ways that they're not used to and there's a big uproar about that some people claiming they're going to leave start their own networks blah blah blah so I'm not so not so sure create curation is working well for their creators streaming services telling you you know the five star thing I mentioned that Yelp is a good example telling me that a restaurant is two stars because somebody did a flash mob of 50 people who left reviews and did it on purpose just to make them look bad and the food's probably fine and the service is probably fine but all I know is this Yelp review is bad so there's another sort of sort of curation thing gone foul and you know apps get it right in some cases Apple has a very curated app store not necessarily with you might like or you might also like although they have some of that but they you know they're like we're not letting certain apps in we're not letting them in with certain security problems and you're not going to have a bunch of viruses or you know crap running on your phone in the one way that's kind of nice and the other hand that curation means that you're blocking some potential creative ideas some apps may never make it onto the platform but then again on the android platform you can have a lot of weird you know security it's weird because curation I think is based on a couple of notions that may not always be true one um that people know what they like right I mean people make fun of kids all the time but kids don't know what they don't know what they like they they go from here they go for they want to do five different jobs they want to be a doctor one day a fire fireman the next day and it's like I don't think people really understand what they want they they know what they like but knowing what you like and what you want aren't necessarily synonymous and I think the other thing is that a lot of curation is based on how can I get you to make me more money and so it might be a little self-defeating because you know Amazon they'll they'll sell as long as you're buying something they're happy right so whether it's toilet paper or the dispenser that the toilet paper sits on you know they're making money for videos it's harder to say I think Netflix is trying to make you happy at the same time without making you uncomfortable and I don't think that's necessarily what you want to do how many movies how many songs how many books have you discovered that you would have never discovered if you just hadn't accidentally picked it up listened to it watched it read it and like well I would totally would have never read read this book because it's not something I would like I would have never watched this movie because it's you know it's a slow rom-com and I'm not into rom-coms or this this is you know this is all like you know third wave ska I'm not into third wave sky I like the original sky like punk and that's it I think there I think part of it is that human human nature is so mercurial and so it's really hard to put a thumb on it and that's kind of that's all thing with viral videos and viral ads you know when people say we're going to create the next viral ads like that's I mean that that's kind of uh the extra cost purposes having to treat anything viral you can't just make that stuff up I totally agree so so I think what we're coming down to here and I think this is where my heads up there's some curation that is absolutely working and it gets complicated but the more diverse the information you're trying to parse so if it's movies and ones you might like because you liked this we're probably doing okay I mean there's no doubt that there have been times where I have finished a documentary on Netflix and it says here are three more that you might like during the credits and I've discovered something awesome that I didn't even know was in there because of it it was buried otherwise and I wouldn't have found it any other way except they recommended it based on what I had just seen or what I've liked in the past so mission accomplished not perfect but pretty close and again it's a narrow data set it's things you might want to watch in Facebook's case they're talking about an enormous amount of information across a global audience of people resources and you know publishers and everybody else and for them to be able to parse that down into something that seems like it's individually fitting all billion people that use Facebook is astronomically hard yes so I don't I think that that's the right thing for now until we get super machine learning beyond our wildest dreams to sort of pair that back and go with something a little simpler than it is to try to force that to be a thing because it just wasn't working and again it's just too nuanced there's too much complication it's too much it's too too much and I think sometimes especially with news topics I don't necessarily believe it's something you want personalized in such a way where you only get the news you want to you want to see right I mean it's it's kind of like going to school and taking subjects you had to take right oh I have to take physics I have to take chemistry I have to take calculus those aren't things like you know a lot of students would want to take other than the fact that it helps you with university admission but you know sometimes you need to to look at things that are outside your comfort zone outside of your wheel house because that's I think the only way you can really break out of a a self-contained bubble where we find ourselves where people you know you know accuse the internet of being the ultimate echo chamber we we actively seek out things that align with our views or make us feel you know relaxed and comfortable with with the way things are the way we think things are and you know if you're buying if you're buying slippers that's one thing if you're buying food or watching movies that's one thing but when you're when you're dealing with something as incredibly diverse and cribless you were saying is nuanced as news is these topics things like that I think it's it's it's very important that it isn't necessarily pablum it isn't just you know force fed to you because that's what you'll enjoy and you'll sit around on facebook a few minutes longer raking in all those ad dollars for the company yeah it's a good experiment but I just don't think they're there yet so time will tell I I think for the most part the curation that I that I work with the most when it works I don't say anything about it and when it doesn't I make noise that's the other factor here if something's working we tend to as a race not say much about it because it's just working and we might be happy with me say we're happy with it but we're not in every case complaining but when something's doing it wrong if amazon kept saying hey because you bought this laptop here you might also like this light bulb which makes no connective sense to me uh I would I would probably make a stink about it well why well because when things don't work that's when we say things and when they do we just sort of go on about our day so that's part of this as well we'll see how it goes I think facebook has an opportunity down the road to maybe even lead in this space and uh one would hope that they they'll figure their crap out as you know as others will have to as well just in time for zuckerberg's uh nomination yeah right before he's president we got a quick message of the day these come to us at feedback at dailytechnewshow.com please send them in love reading them here especially when I'm on Wednesdays I love interacting with the listeners alexander eun wrote in and added to yesterday's hyperloop topic hey just a quick reminder excuse me comment on hyperloop I work for an overnight logistics company and it's one of the largest airlines in the world it is extraordinarily expensive to run all those planes and you're mostly restricted to night time when there's significantly less air passenger traffic if they can get the cost competitive on a per pound basis with overnight air freight they might have a real chance of offering freight services either overnight or even same day because they could run at all hours they might even give them a competitive advantage just a thought cheer up and keep up the great work or cheers and keep up the great worries no cheering up um yeah alexander has a good point I that's everything I love about these emails you guys are out there working in the places that are directly affected by the topics we talk about the things tom brings up on his show um so it's always good to get those perspectives I would have never if you'd ask me why do these things run at night I wouldn't know the answer to that like I don't know it's cheaper than you know it's got to be cheaper than human air travel and so you do it at those times it makes perfect sense now that I've heard about it would have had no idea it's it's interesting it's like the way you used to make long distance calls at night because the rates were cheaper right so here's the question if a hyperloop system is to succeed as a freight system then it will have the same rule like when you're not moving people it will be cheaper to move your product and when you're not moving product you're moving people like it's the same thing kind of and you know it's it'll be interesting because um at least rail in the united states the only profitable sector is freight right amtrak is uh doesn't really pay for itself except for selected areas like the northeast because of the density of riders um but if hyperloop I think is to get a good grounding and a good financial kind of even kill the start off from it's going to be in freight it's going to be basically being the national version of the pneumatic tubes you used to have in supermarkets and stores like kmart where they would have the little tube next to the register and they would put the put the tube in there pop up uh because it would be really awesome to get something shipped from one end of the country to another in about a day and a half that way oh just like you know I'm all from by the way pneumatic tubes everywhere all over I am I love that those things are so cool they're so cool there's something kind of steampunky about it and I don't know just it fits my idea of what the future should be so pneumatic tubes and hyperloop is really just one big fat pneumatic tube so let's do it uh thanks for the email thank you everybody for emails and uh Roger thank you for hanging out with me today it was a good thank you for uh hosting the show it's awesome it was good Tom we'll be back tomorrow of course and uh that'll be good because hey Tom is lord of all here surveys but we were happy to warm his seat while he was away and big thanks to the patrons out 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really interesting thing because it's um I mean it's not to get tall philosophical it's it's it's it's a lot more about the human condition than I think is apparent at first look yep I agree with that okay I'm gonna save this out I don't know President Zuckerberg I don't know do I have to like him on facebook maybe all right let's export that I mean it's really interesting I mean this last election really told you um all those years of service and experience don't don't don't amount for much apparently they we learn more and more how they matter for nothing or you know it's not they don't matter but there's an alternative happening and uh we'll see I guess yeah this is a much smaller file so cool it'll still sound good um let's see share okay in slack there is now a link going to you there it is gotta download this file gonna file download a little curing curation 14 votes that seems like the winner just the download link so if you're here post show um and Tom posted it on twitter but his uh his dog Django passed away today and they've had that dog for a long time um yes they've had that dog she they've had Django for it's almost as long as they've been married right yes because they they I want to say they got they got Django right after they got married yeah it's maybe right so so he's been there a long time plus he's outlived his breed's normal age range by a number of years and um yeah today today they had to they had to make that hard decision and um so that's that's why we didn't have Tom today I didn't want to get detailed on the show just you know Tom can do that um but you know it's they she did have a very good full life and and she was a rescue right I think so yeah she was a shelter dog yeah um but you know it's it's it's tough totally if my current dog died oh my gosh I'm not ready for that she's got a lot of years left but yeah it's to be honest I mean it's it's standard human nature not to dwell on stuff like that because it's it is difficult yeah um but I really appreciate you stepping in the way you did last minute yeah no worries I appreciate the audience you guys are awesome yeah I was always happy to help if uh yeah whenever that stuff comes in the future I'm always around for it all right so curing curation thank you everyone all right I'm gonna stop the broadcast because I got a jam in a few