 And you've also got like fantastic aesthetics going on like there's there's stuff to be praised in every episode Charlie Walker's music is is really good as well. So Or is it? Maybe that'll be a separate hot take is creating sound station is horrible No, stop it Laura. Just play Jay's video and we all leave. Well, I Wish you know, but Jay's gonna come after us. You've already done too much We should just like take pictures of our chairs and set them as our profile pictures for any fat I Think people it would be a good meme for a minute and then people get very upset. I think We're not here for the chairs Wow You can't say that in my in mice on my stream one of the chair PFPs could be the chair of that Falcon summons and no, sorry batch rock summons into existence to kick against Falcon the shield. I Wonder if they'll bring him back. No, he's definitely dead Nah, he's he's gone. He he doesn't get a second chance. Oh Wow, I guess he got a second chance. He didn't get a third chance Well, no, because remember he almost died in the opening of episode one. So maybe that counts as his second Batch rock had his chances He had like four chances. Yeah, he wouldn't die Remember when cap was like, all right batch rock. Let's have a fair fight when I'm trying to Prevent you from Taking all of this technology and having these people hostage. I will indeed drop my helmet and my shield for you Very bizarre but me The film the confirmed bad film the winter soldier. Oh That was one of many which is it like genuinely that doesn't seem right for cap does it? No, it doesn't seem like he he's not the kind of person to put his sort of Reputation like before actually just saving lives. It's more interesting when the villain does it than the hero Yeah It's kind of juvenile It's like what you'd imagine like someone with an advantage would do like on a playground It's just like it doesn't seem right for that type of the situation It would be I guess it would be one thing if like they had already rescued all the hostages basically like that rocks basically lost I was gonna say it still feels weird for Steve Rogers to do that I just don't know that he does anything like that ever I think it's kind of like twisting the knife. I think that there's there's a context where it works for Steve Rogers It's just not in the winter soldier that we got because the winter soldier is very bad Well, it's a guilty pleasure of mine, but it's very bad I was gonna say that scene certainly not cuz like he needs to save people's lives He needs to prevent these people from having this back in this ship. So it's like got stuff to do buddy Um But maybe a particular circumstances, I don't know. Hello everyone chattel there. How you doing? Look, look at our PFB's role role kitted out to take on a starfish. We'll possibly a empress lady with a laser beam Dancing right oh Yeah, yeah, she does a bit of that and her brother as well. Don't forget him we got um We got a Blade Runner man with us, too You could you could easily have that avatar could easily just be something out of a Zack Snyder movie nobody would be able to tell Dark and rainy and super serious. Yes, we're we're back with our this is the DC crew essentially with Cap is unable to make it have low opinions thus replaced with Evan and meme Evan being Very into the DC universe big fan We brought him on to sort of try and counter our negativity and then meme is the guy who edits a lot of it So he's very aware of the um, let's just say incredible filmmaking techniques throughout the series See That was that was the pain is a yeah pain is a technique. It's an emotion, right? It's a feeling yeah, it's an idea a beautiful idea We're all here today because DC came out with another one. They did it again Another movie. Yeah, we took a break from Marvel, which was nice as for our mental health Well, some might say, you know, wow, you're gonna jump from all DC You I'm trying to make everything worse. And so I figure much in the same way we do it with the E-Fat movies. Why don't we just jump right in and we'll do a like one to two sentences each of Overall feelings on this this movie the suicide squad then We will break it down chronologically with a bit of jumping ahead and jumping back So hopefully people who haven't seen it can follow along and those who have gonna enjoy a bit of a banter about what was working And what wasn't or if all of it was working or if all of it wasn't and Then then we'll probably do super chats. So If if that if that works for all you guys, we could go left to right Or should we should we go Right to left or should go middle to the left to the right to the right to the left to the right I don't know. We always go left to right. I just don't know. I don't know if you guys is that a right You know what I just don't feel that strongly about what order we go. I so I will need you to y'all Let's go from left to right. Yeah. All right, Evan off you go I Think this is in a very good direction for the DC you I don't like it's It's a it's a it's they clearly let James Gunn do what he wanted to do And he has a lot of freedom in terms of like how he wrote the script how he directed the movies the characters are Pretty solid for the most part But the plot is basically non-functional as far as I'm concerned and it It's not good, but it is better than what the DC you usually pumps out and certainly anything at the MCU pumps out So I would call it a step in the right direction basically You're by by saying anything at the MCU pumps out You're referring to anything with the MCU pumps out nowadays, right? Yeah recently like post-end game as far as I'm concerned Like the stuff that's Yeah, yeah Including let's include Black Panther Captain Marvel, you know. Oh, yeah include Captain Marvel there What about including the incredible Hulk? I'm pretty sure the incredible Hulk probably stands up. Okay, well, that's what's coming out. Nobody here remembers that movie. Come on The fight at the end Abomination is he gonna be in that a legend of the ten rings movie It'll be so weird I they didn't explain even what happened to him at the end of the movie He went to the rough other night Yeah, I think the trifactor in the MCU of movies Nobody can remember the plot my novice the incredible Hulk Thor 2 and Ant-Man the Wasp Those are the three movies where everyone's like fuck it was about Yeah, see some people don't believe they're real that's where we're at sludge It's like I think Ant-Man and Thor 1 are genuinely like I remember them way better than they sequels I Definitely remember Ant-Man one more than the Ant-Man wasp Lady Lady and wasp Right carnival Fringy now you I Really like this movie all of its plot issues aside, I think it's got great characters and I will be totally happy if we if this is like if we get more of this going forward Because like Yeah, all issues with the plot which there are plenty. It has great characters and that's worth a lot So yeah, I really like it. It's like a would recommend definitely All right I'm in the same boat as if this were the worst it gets I would be a very happy movie watcher I think we're in a really good position with this movie for getting characters right The plot is it seems like we're all gonna be repeating this a little bit, but you know the proof will come Boy that plot like getty everywhere. It's all over place. We'll go over it But my goodness did I have lots to say on how well? I think these characters are written as well as how strong the dialogue is in lots of places a lot of that a lot of the humor World is like But we got a bit of theme going to so this is this is a bit of a jumbled mess And we might finally have an entry on e-fap, but we're not saying it's in the realm of terrible or Incredible it's in a different realm a middle realm I'm off to figure out where it sits on there dark realm It's not like a dark or light realm. It's just it's like a grayish. It's like sort of The sun's going down, but you can still see everything on this world. Yeah, um my light metal go You can only mirror what you already said basically Don't let me stop you metal keep going don't let me get in the way of you letting loose all of your opinions Out on to the podcast just keep on going say what you need to say Leave no stone unturned leave no opinion unspoken you go ahead so off you go say it do it You got this Not only will I hit you with a bat I will do so inexplicably and it will take me 15 minutes. Oh, no Everyone closes the distance towards you Yeah, yeah, yeah good characters terrible plot plot Action scenes are questionable, but sometimes funny Sometimes it's deliberately terrible almost. I'm not sure. It's up there. It's just really bad Yeah, really enjoyed this very funny movie I laughed a lot No, right rags go all right so the suicide squad is Not only the best DCEU movie that has yet been made it is the best DCEU movie by a Considerable margin with none of the others. I would say even coming close To the quality that we have here the plot is pretty bad. It's quite bad. In fact I wouldn't I Would not unfixably bad We don't have the kind of just fundamental broken world-building issues that we have and a lot of other stuff The plot is really bad though needs a lot of work However Although the plot is pretty terrible the characters are great There's a lot of really good character writing here a lot of good Interactions a lot of work and a lot of care was putting was put into making us care about this cast of characters it was funny I had a lot of concern and sympathy for the people inside you know in the movie in this universe and With a few exceptions. I think the whole cast was done really really well If this is the if this is kind of the direction the DCEU is headed then I am on board I think this is a great step in the right direction All right, South Pole Um mixed bag a lot of terrible stuff, but a lot of great stuff as well It's one of those movies that I'm like giving basically like a four or five out of ten But it doesn't mean it's like just fine. It's just it's a mixed bag if there's stuff in it that makes me cringe and There's a lot of stuff in it that I also really really like and I rewatched it last night and Had an overall good time watching it didn't honestly give it as much of a critical eye as I gave it the first time And I just enjoyed enjoyed a lot. I can see myself rewatching this one a good number of times in the foreseeable future And as everyone else has said plot is just garbage, but the characters really carry this one so Best DCEU movie by a long shot Most enjoyable one that we've watched thus far by a very wide margin and That's all I really have to say No, all right, and finally meme repository. What did you think? And here I am the sour puss the hater the person who doesn't like anything. I Really really really liked this film Obviously plot issues out the wazoo, but man the fucking characters in this Not only are they well realized and on a writing level not only do they all have arcs for the most part Not only is there is a is there a lot going on thematically? They're also just so much more heroic and noble these brutal psychotic super villains actual super It was this was a better Justice League film than Zack Snyder's ever made. This is a better DC film than just Zack Snyder's ever made This is just a better superhero film than Zack Snyder's that ever made and I was getting legitimately emotional in the theater watching this and it was One of those things where I knew that I would need to at least give it one more watch through because I knew that my Objectivity was being compromised by the sheer amount of joy that it was giving me though I did spot a fair few issues on that first watch through and the second watch through and highlighted a couple of things Here and there But yeah, this has been a blast to watch It's also just a really Slick and stylistic movie Let the it like the style for me the way I would describe it is it could have been really obnoxious but for me it kind of hits that sweet spot where It kind of hits kind of a verisimilitude ish kind of place where it's kind of incorporated naturally enough that It was never it never brought me out of the film Maybe a couple of cinematography choices here and there but overall the style was very appealing to me And yeah, I just had a I just had a blast watching this film I think this stuff worth criticizing but my goodness it felt good watching something DC that I really enjoyed again Can I just add that these characters who are supposed to be supervillains that are basically being forced into this mission Are actually better heroes than most of the MCU's heroes at this point true Class DC and Marvel yeah for their heroes Yeah, sort of not just their actions, but they're also part of their cause like a lot of them very corrupted and you'll find that because Portions of the Suicide Squad are where they are for reasons that aren't Explicitly like oh, they're just evil people doing evil things and this is usually a little bit more complicated And so they went through in positions where they can save a civilian's life. They will likely make a choice and Bloodshot did nothing wrong by shooting DC EU Superman with a kryptonite bullet They wrote them differently, but there's there's parts where you can tell that like they I feel like he was originally meant to wasn't he meant to be deadshot originally and He was originally going to be bad, but he's I don't think so. I think he's a better character From early on I think Will Smith said that he wasn't gonna be doing this one No, I think the what I understand originally the plan was that they were just gonna have a recast But then they changed they changed their mind and decided to create a brand new character. I Think they wanted to have Will Smith still around in case they want him to come back as deadshot Instead of other movies. I think that's one of the reasons why they changed it as well So well, so honey cuz during the the 2016 suicide squad coverage We noted like, you know death's sorry deadshot would probably be able to take on Superman by himself if you just give him some kryptonite bullets and then blood sport He just he did that off-screen. He's the fucking Chad and he almost Rid this world of the most horrible tyrant that it's ever seen Great We'll probably have a couple of Controversial topics to go through instead of just trying to rush through them all immediately We'll try and do our best to have them come out naturally. For example Was Harley handle better in this film than any other? That's a that's one of the topics a lot of people discuss It was blood sport a copycat And how do we define that we'll go over that What does it mean for a story to have a completely broken plot but incredibly consistent characters and does this movie? Qualifier as that let's know someone else. We're gonna have to go through and then of course just like essentially character profiles Like I'm going through a lot of the main ones in this But like when do we choose to do that? Is it after we've got enough references from going through chronologically? Is it when they meet the end of their story? Whatever that might mean It'll be a little bit complex. You know how it goes. We'll do our best I figure if everyone's all right with it We'll just we'll just start as though we've got one person in this call Who's never seen the movie before and we'll their name is chat. I'm gonna have to Just talk maybe chat an acronym. It's already long name. Oh And Howard Cornelius Howard Anthony Ty Iberius furious Pretty cool name Yeah, don't let me say it again You forgot They're a chat. They're thinking what's what's going on? You know what's what's happening in this movie? So you remember the original in 2016 I call it the original is probably what we're gonna do from now on. How could we forget Muller? Yeah, we forget it wasn't even that long. I gave our coverage of it actually a horrible I was Well, I was referring to just how memorable it was in general. Yeah, I could have seen it 10 years ago And I wouldn't have been able to burn it from my memory They're forever. I have you to thank and so yeah And so you guys know that we weren't fond of it In fact, what did we pull as positive? It was very a few small tiny bits of pieces. I'm not a I can't remember I think that was that like like Diablo having some kind of through line. That was a positive, right? Oh, yeah Yeah, look kind of had a little bit of a character. Yeah, that was our praise for it Is that one of the characters actually was sort of a character kind of? Yeah, and I've already seen someone saying like really just because a character has an arc That just automatically makes it good. No, it's like it's funny. The praise I'll be giving to the characters and the suicide squad It's not specifically about whether or not they have arcs. It's that they're consistent That is gonna be my main way of praising them the way that they behave and what choices they make The more information we have raising a show Diablo's arc was kind of rushed especially the way he refers to suicide squad as his family Which was not earned at all by the text of the film But it was still more than anything that we got from the other characters. Oh, sorry slipknot was really good as well Yeah, a lot of people point that out Absolutely that guy can climb anything. He's fucking great Would have been nice if you had a son to tend up in this movie or something he's exact same actor This is not sleep and then he dies and he had a son in the third one Just keep going. That's the way to explain it. No one's gonna question Is there a fat movies on suicide squad is it out? Am I in some strange fever dream not the suicide squad suicide squad the first one it is out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right I was gonna say this is gonna work because I could see it but like I can't confirm that we were in the same call when you were watching I know that rags was unsure and I wanted to gaslight them like we were doing during that that you fat movies because that was very fun Died here. I don't really have much of a Yeah, I mean, I hope it is that would be cool. I remember that was great But right now I just Surrendering despair Man much that thought disappeared very quickly I'm just So I think it was some so we're talking about like suicide squad What is there that's like actually meaningful to be pulled from that film? Like if we were all writing the sequel, what would you take from it? I? Would be discarded. I don't yeah that there's anything in particularly valuable I I really don't like that film like I don't enjoy that film at all What I would be if you were to look at like it. Yeah, what I was gonna say quickly is what I would be keeping is Not from the film itself rather. It's just the what they're adapting So like I like the idea maybe of villains who are given a chance to reduce their sentences by doing black ops jobs for the government It's like yeah, it's it's a cool. It's a it's a cool concept. Oh Yeah, that sounds cool Yeah, well, this is the thing about the suicide squad like is it a sequel to the it is right It's a sequel to the first one basically right I would I would say it's kind of like a soft reboot in the same way That a lot of things that where it's it's part of this universe like you really don't need to know about the first one And they're kind of ignoring it. I Feel like there's some things that they want like the whole flag and Harley stuff like the idea that I think or something like I feel like what they want Well, I would say that what they want this film to be is that you don't need to see this The first one and it was just true You don't need to see the first you don't need to see that one And I would recommend that you don't because you're not gonna get anything out of it No, I I feel like we're starting freck when you think about these characters because it's like Do you need to know much about Rick flag beforehand? It's like nah, you just know this Rick flag this much better Rick flag It's kind of like the cruise movies like you don't have to see the first one The first one's kind of meh, but the second one's really funny. Wait, which movie? Movies, no okay caveman comedies I Haven't seen jungle cruise because I'm not giving Disney money I'm not even giving them my time by pirating it Nobody's giving them the time for that one from what I hear like very not a huge amount people see in that though That's a tough one to market even if we weren't in low-marking times, you know, it's like the jungle cruise like okay Jungle cruise meant to be like parts the Caribbean. It's a it's a ride at like Disneyland At least with Pirates of the Caribbean. There's pirates. So there's gonna be some Concepts for sure like jungle cruise. It's like wait, what is this? Oh, it's like an action adventure. I cruise That's you know, when I think about adventures and crazy things. I think I'm cruising on a fucking boat Yeah, go on cruise is to have action adventures They they normally go on cruises to to relax and I think I think living like comparing it to the mummy meets the African Queen is Yeah, it's going for that it's definitely going for that whole Pete like 1930s, you know adventure thing But I don't know like I don't I don't see why I would want to watch that movie. I have no reason to ever see it So yeah, anyway drawing out of 2016 vision James Gunn took Captain boomerang he took Amanda Waller the concept of the Suicide Squad existing and Halea Oh, yeah and Ric flag Yeah, why the Suicide Squad worked with garbage squad failed. I'm sure Phil mental will nail it I'm sure you'll know exactly I'm sure you'll nail it So I mean to be fair, I think it's pretty obvious It's gonna be a character focus whoever's gonna compare these two we'll talk about the characters But I wonder if people will even notice that the plot is Not better in this one Even I don't know how to people criticize the plot of the first one They were mainly going for the characters I think because I think a lot of people just they'll remember characters far more than they will plot lines It seems like many not of much value when we're talking about superhero stuff It seems like we don't Cuz I mean, you know like if people talk about endgame There's never gonna be somebody saying I like how well constructed the time heist was that was like really smart and cool Like it was probably one guy. It's like It would be that one guy, but like all the people would be talking about it was cool that we got the scene where Tony Made us that or it was really tell I've been thinking about endgame. It was really cool that you know thought we've got to meet his mom It's like you're thinking about the character moments It seems like it's the main focus and superhero content, which it gets makes sense, right? It's the namesake of a lot of these movies So yeah, he he grabbed those pieces and this film doesn't waste any time it basically introduces us with Savant they knew super villain or villain in general, I guess the Michael Rooker So good ol yondu but with normal human skin instead of blue skin crazy There's some scars got really long like I guess you call it white or like platinum hair. I don't know And he's got a little outfit. I'm guessing some people know of him from the comics Savant I don't know. I don't know what he does like I'm guessing. He's just a good shot That seems to be the idea He seems like kind of bullseye the way he's able to ricochet Objects, yeah, well and shit balls. I Hey, nice. I've heard he's also like an expert planner or something like that I think he was like supposed to be one of the leaders of the team on the beach, right like along with flag Say genius level intellect exhibits forgetfulness due to chemical imbalance master martial artists computer operation and multilingualism Okay Wait multi-lingualism considered a superpower Yes I guess if you like speaks every language on the planet, that's pretty impressive Oh, why wouldn't they call it a different thing rather than multi at that point? It's like that's understating just how much And that's still kind of like a just a skill. It's not really a superpower you could learn all that Well, so it's being a master martial artist It's like what does it mean to qualify as a superhero is just being like John Cena, for example, is he a superhero? I don't know. I'm referring to peacemaker. I just mean him like is he is like well, he's just strong, right? I mean, this is Wikipedia saying ability is not superpowers true So yeah, he's given a really quick intro and I feel like this is the self-aware sort of meta thing where it's like Hey, if you didn't see the first movie, this is how it works It's like in bullet point form essentially But actually really cool instead of literal bullet points on the screen. Yeah All or even literally says that she's like, you know the drill X Y Z this and they just they just run through it really quickly Yeah, and there's this bit and it was only on the third time watching this that I had a thought They have the first time you see Rick flag. He's in slow-mo reaching his hand out I was like, could it be said that this is like James got be like give him a chance. Okay, give the previous films references I know you didn't like it. Just give him a chance. We're gonna we're gonna try this again. All right You're like, okay, because I'll be honest with you guys Knowing Rick flag is in this. I was just like, yeah, cool. Boring. I'll be man is back. That's fine. I guess Okay, I don't know what I'm gonna do with that. That's fine. Um, just I liked I like Joel Kinnerman as an actor I've I've seen him in some Separate like the movies aren't great, but his performance is good. So Well, it's gonna say the irony there is that I'm not a fan of Jai Courtney But I like him in this and I am a fan of Joel Kinnerman. I didn't like him into a side school You know how it goes just like. Oh, yeah, but like with James Gunn It's like well, we have you know a more capable writer. That's gonna hopefully give Kinnerman more more You know good material to work with so yeah So Savannah being our POV character is introduced to the current suicide squad So obviously time has passed and they've refined the whole idea and we've still got some leftover that we remember like mr It's good old boomerang boom captain captain boomerang as mr. Boom and As well as and well, I was gonna say as well as Harley Quinn And she actually refers to him as boomer and they have like a back and forth And that's like the clearest evidence that the first home's not been wrecked on it exists. It's fine. I'm gonna. Yeah, don't worry Those who loved it Throw a line to account for how Harley is Incarcerated again when she wasn't at the end of birds of prey. Yeah, she said she yeah Didn't she say something like I totaled a car in a bank or something like a It's not a bad line She's like and she's in and she even I think there's like a sort of hello to Rick as well to imply that those two are Relatively good terms. They're not like I need to they're annoying or anything Which is testament to his patience. Yeah And then we have new characters Now all of these classic we're gonna we're gonna do this as assuming the person in this call is not seeing this movie Okay, so we're just gonna leave this is this is pretty Like there's lots of information to take in at once So don't blame you if you're difficult to follow us, but I think the film does a really good job Again, you're right in real quick. Um, apparently the second SNL comedic actor. Is it Peter Davidson or something? It's been yeah, he plays black guard. He's got a bunch of pistols and looks like he'd be Considered just similar to savant and others where they're just weapons experts. It's like a tier of superhero has his guns like What's his face? Oh In the Mandalorian. Yeah, fuck. I forgot his name. Damn. Oh, um, Bill Burr's character. Yeah, what's his name? Bill Burr Baggins someone in chat will know Someone will remember because they like that show may feel Mayfield Then you got like orange woman with Weapons mongol mongol you got Javelin yeah javelin man with a javelin you got Nathan Fillion playing TDK Our night, I suppose Batman's in this. Well, yeah, maybe maybe I guess we'll explain what I am at the Dunk Knight Those are just I mean I was gonna say if anyone's in chat without knowing stuff The rest of the chat will probably tell them anyway, but we'll get to it in case he's just listening He's called TDK and then we've got That's that's everyone except There's one more character one more member of the Suicide Squad he's called weasel Introduced to him by him screaming at the top of his life Yeah, this should be appreciated actually I'll see if I can play it on the stream Yeah, weasel is my spirit animal I have affectionately nicknamed him Murder scrat I am So for those who haven't seen this the savant looks at all the people the camera pans around and Go to sack actually Copyright makes it so difficult Music that's that's how you first meet him Shot on gun play some right. He has you. Yeah. Yeah, James Gunn also plays another character Who I got a little bit giddy when I saw them for like three seconds So, yeah, these guys are gearing up and we get you good old-fashioned when you have a Group of people they were just in an enclosed space and they're back and forth thing so we get to understand What's going on with this lot? And then you know some fun this is a fun bit to dialogue like asking TDK what it stands for instead of stands for me It's my name That he's like your name is letters. It's like all names are letters Idiot also like that. It's just a good old-fashioned letters. Okay And and then fucking black up being like is that a dog about we And you have the obvious responsive like how the fuck do you think that's a dog and then TDK in the background? It's like I think it's a Afghan get hound Afghan hound And then you know that's it to cut as well with the suicide squad handlers all the people in like the tech group Is stuff they're baton on who's gonna live and who's gonna die which feels like very much be a thing And can I quickly say? With just a few quick like dialogue exchanges We were already liking all these characters way more than detailed lengthy backstories on most of the characters besides Slipknot and Katana Yeah, and the original suicides well, I mean I feel like I don't know how much Backstory you need for the man who's I feel like that's that's the important thing writers like back story doesn't really tell me anything like I need to see what they're doing Right now. Yeah, who are they right now see Slipknot? He had an uncle who died and told him that you know with with great climbing comes great responsibility Rope responsibility Yes died in a rock climbing accident, and he's like I will climb anything I will be better than my dad Um Now relating to the whole the dog conversation Harley suggesting of your werewolf, and we have what is my favorite back and forth in this whole Sequence where he's panicking about being a werewolf and Rick flag is like it's not a werewolf. He's a weasel He's harmless. Well, he's killed 27 children Look, I'm not the best part is like well, but I think he's he's agreed to do this I think he did The ends up with I think it's fucking great. It's The joke be we have no idea what weasel cares about what he's doing. He's just here It's just terrifying And just making these weird sounds. Yeah, don't pull up in its feet Chittering noises And so yeah, this is the thing when we were watching it I was just like man. I'm already into this quite a bit This is like you keep me really agitated with this fucking weasel creature like what the hell is this is so unusual he's um And you know again like once once the scene comes down We're back to savant leading sort of our perspective on this whole scene and he's we're getting dropped into the Well the ocean just outside of a beach That relates to whatever mission they're on Which we still don't know the details for because that's gonna be like revealed Yeah, yeah, and yeah, and they're all doing your standards sort of like epic jumps into the water We're seeing them go one by one by one And this is this again feels like a moment. I should probably play for the stream. Yeah Give it a sack to get there. I guess it is the thing with VLC if I skip around it fucking dies Let's click into my file. Just saw weasel Oh Apparently Sean Gunn was asked if he knew that weasel was going to look that ugly. He said no that was a surprise on James's part Yeah, I was gonna say all right, let me just play this for the stream Oh So for those who are confused he just drops in slaps into the water screaming and then resurfaces just flailing Everyone does he's like really graceful like entrances like foot first into the water and weasel just And then it cuts to Rick flag and he's like did anybody check if weasel could swim Like face palm expression on her face without actually Talk about comedic timing having them all stare at the screen while he's flailing around Though I made the people in the tech room and Waller seem like idiots. It's just like they didn't even look into that It's like oh great job waller. There goes one of your teammates. Okay, so I'm gonna push back on that Why please do if you why would you like it is so unexpected that the weasel is just gonna hit Mission you drop in on the water and it's like no one bothered to check What's what's the purpose of this particular team I'm not gonna spoil it we can because we can get there when well That's it's it's not what I think you're thinking of because that's I think there's another plot point that adds to that, right? That's something we've got to actually talk about we should I don't know if we should skip ahead Oh, so we can we could put a pin in the weasel thing for sack to explain Yeah, how about everything else turns out if you want to hang on to it and just bring it back, but um Yeah, they just pop up again later Perhaps in well in fact the next part of this is just eight just hard cuts to weasel's body slowly falling through the ocean So far grabs him and it's it's so because you just hear the constant splashing and crying and stuff, and then it's just dead Drags him all the way to the beach and just announces that weasel's dead. It's like All right, then let's just keep going. I guess weasel's dead Ironically all of us were just really sad. Yeah I didn't even try to give a mouth-to-mouth those fucking hot Wow Shad savante as well going in and like getting him out pulling. Yeah, that was pretty cool trying to do something about it Yeah, and if it feels good because he's up he'll be guys. It's just like yeah I feel like I would try and help him out. It's good that he is too Should have blown the weasel And so yeah, we're at the beach everyone's setting up And then black guards jumps over the Sort of edge and starts announcing. Hey, we're here. It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're here. I was the one who called you So it seems like black guys made some kind of deal with the I guess the military on Korto Maltese Sell them out and and he's hoping this will work out, but he just gets killed instantly Yeah, how the hell did he pull that off? Did he call from prisoners something? Did he have like the phone number of the person who is there and oh what was go? I don't know how did that work? Don't you know, um, that shit happens all the time from prisons. Have you seen prison break by any chance? No, so they get depending on your position in society You can get all kinds of Communications out to all kinds of people especially you could have someone who works for you set it up all for you on the outside And then come in and speak to you in code or whatever. There's plenty of ways to do this These are all criminals long to him. I don't have any problem with that Do you don't you don't what about how would he get the information about the exact team? Doesn't he say that like he knows like he brought everyone and he knew the people that were there like Um, I don't know all he says is I brought everyone's here. I think what he means is as far as he's aware The full team that's arriving is on the beach right now Yeah, which is true. I guess I don't know. I'm not like not I guess it is like that's just the case the whole the whole team as he knows It is there and he sold them out. Also, is it is it true that um Weasels tend to love water like IRL weasels. Well, I mean, I feel like He's cold On the thing of weasel swimming it's like man It does feel like the kind of thing that you would just like not think about Yeah, of course the weasel could swim like it's fucking weasel that like is a human annoyed thing I could see somebody totally just like it's it's hilarious because it's like oh, right That's like, yeah, that might be what checking you just have to believe understand below the side Yeah, that's what came across to me that everybody made the same assumption, which is we can yeah, why wouldn't you have a swim? Yeah, it can swim and then it's like I don't I don't think it's a dumb assumption. I think it's something that I could I can easily see people assuming. Yeah, everybody can swim, right? I would have like I assume everyone here would I assume the weasel could swim. I assumed it could that's why it was hilarious when it couldn't It's like, oh, yeah, all mammals have like an animal thing to swim and it seems The aspect here as well is that a lot of people just sort of Move along with weasel like nobody has actually spoken to him They just speak at yeah, and he's sort of he moves along with it So it's you know in a lot of ways there's some what is it? What is it to check that the weasel can swim do you put it in water to like Just I'm not saying there's no ways you could check. I just don't think that they thought that he couldn't swim I just figured um It reminds me of because uh, Fringy's seen it And so some people in chat may have but like there's this character in in clocks as far, which yes I'm referencing again. Don't worry once it goes out of my memory. I will stop But there's this farmer dude who fixes walls And the and clocks is like, you know, hey, he's he always fixes the walls here He has done for like 50 years, so of course, I'm keeping him on to fix the walls And he's like, yeah, you're right. He's like, I don't have this He's like, yep. Yeah. Yeah, and he's like, oh, we've always had those Every year Yeah, everything's like, yeah, yeah Yep, like it's just something humans do with a lot of interactions a lot of people You just sort of you don't know what the fuck's going on And it's like enough people do not give a fuck about weasel that this this is an eventuality And I just I think it's uh, honestly wonderfully done in some ways Just because it feels like a real thing that could happen to me It's a really good joke. It's a really good joke I think it's at the cost of waller's team. There's a lot of scenes that are like that later on where they They're just insanely dumb. I would I would I would agree with them later on But I I just don't think that this is like an obviously stupid thing That you didn't stand out to any of us because we were watching it. Yeah um Well, okay, um, so what happens now Is something we need to get clear first because it'll make more sense to do this ahead of time Before going forward with describing the events as they happen. So there is Basically first guy dies and then everyone's open in fire and Harley fires an RPG and there's just shit happening everywhere um I'm not gonna I'm sorry for those who are looking for cliffs But like it's so fucking annoying to show these without getting hit by copyright black widow stream. For example, that was a Lots of bad. We're still up, which is good. So I'm gonna summarize these ones instead. So The short version is Harley fires the RPG. Then she runs forward Avoiding about a billion bullets. What armor at least Then rick flag follows her to sit behind a rock with her. He avoids about a billion bullets At least he's firing back while he's doing it. That's that's small sliver of um Then you have I suppose the start of this is they say deploy the detachable kid And it's like okay, and this is strictly he removes his arms and then they float and he can have them attack people um Another thing with human like this Is that the shock of it? Even it hits the characters. They're all having the same reaction We are we're just like the fuck like what and then um, they're like why why is he even on the team? And then he says I didn't pick the team I'm so so slow as well when they fly Yeah, and then just awkwardly sort of like just just hitting people like yeah, they just slapped it really really weakly When I heard that this guy was gonna be in the movie I thought maybe he was gonna like pop one of his arms off and then use it as a weapon Like by flailing it around using his other arm that was still like attached to his body It's not what happened Oh, man, they should have gone with his comic name, which is arm fall off boy Yeah, I mean it was always a decision to not have it be that a fob Yeah, well, I spoke to me about that. I feel like a fob would have been the stronger acronym too. It almost sounds I'm fall off boy. Yeah Um Many people may have seen this his arms just float forward and then start hitting people it does barely anything And so There's a vibe right now of like our team is about to come through Maybe because they're activating this sort of power they're doing stuff, but then um Things don't Work out that way because mong mongal. Did you say her name was I can't remember Yeah, mongal, uh, brother of mongol and son of mongol the first she um mongoloid She she starts the chain reaction of That's an event happening. She jumps onto a helicopter. It I guess she weighs a ton Because it completely that was all I could assume because like she weighs it down to the point that it just spins out of control It was like that that wouldn't happen. It was just a regular person. Yeah Um, so it's crashes and it shreds a whole bunch of like pine trees and all the wood splatters into um Good ol captain boomerang and uh And then the helicopter Just flies into him as well. So he just torn to like individual pieces of blood He's completely gone And he got he got to throw a boomerang and it was pretty cool. But yeah, he killed twos of people And um guys at top ahead a little a little sad for me because I really liked him And I thought that the whole thing about him in the first one was that he needs someone To help him out script wise and we'll be fine And it's like james gun. There you go. He could do it. Oh, he's dead Well A bit of a bummer not gonna lie Maybe more of a bit of a bummer. It's just a flat out bummer. Yeah So this is kind of what disappointed me about this scene is that I feel like a lot of this is for shock value It's like you introduce the cast like yeah Just gone. It's like you kill off captain mover. It's like, oh, oh so much for that Most um good old-fashioned subversion to be fair. I would argue partially the reverse It's telling us. Yeah, these people aren't safe. No matter who you love. It ain't safe We're in we're not in a standard marvel movie where it's very clear It's gonna last till the end unless they've got harley's plot armor of parley's the only one Excuse from that rule. Um, I was concerned for Uh, a lot of the characters throughout the movie is we'll get to that in certain scenes. Yes, I am Um, it's quite an interesting phenomenon considering the plot armor in this movie So, yeah, mongol's dead tdk gets shot to pieces as well his arms, which is a bit of a comedic pay-off I feel like you should have expected that, you know Yeah, yeah, he's a he's a bizarre addition to the team for this particular mission Um, yeah in a different movie. He there could have been a really cool use for him in terms of espionage and stuff But uh, he's done some weird clever stuff with it, but uh Not here not not here. Uh, and then savante just loses it. He sees everybody get killed and he screams and runs away Um, this is a guy that like the film has been focusing on quite a bit in the opening like 5 10 minutes Yeah, um, this would be the the end of the sub vision being that they blow off the protagonist's head Or at least what we thought was the protagonist Uh, because he goes off mission and walla boops him And his brain splatters onto the water with the words Warner Brothers presents, I believe Um, which is the a nice touch they have throughout the movie for a little title cards for like chapters and stuff Yeah, I got some of these. They work pretty well Diogenics are way better than the others And then summer. Yeah, we can get to what we were looking to talk about so There's a reveal of well team one is dead It's like, huh? And it's like tins out. There was a team two on the other. Well the different side of the island Um Like the west side or whatever. I couldn't see it. Uh, and they're coming in and these You get the impression immediately like oh these are our characters that are the lot are all not our characters at all um And so yeah, uh That raises a bit of a question which is Was this intentional from walla? I do not think so. No, I don't think so. No. Um, so no The thing is she's pissed off when she finds out weasel dies She's like, uh fuck sake. So That's true Then it'd be weird for her to feel that way when she's like, well, all these are gonna die anyway So it doesn't really matter Um, isn't that why she says to push forward the flag as well She says like the mission is too important. Like you it's a tough crew. You can make it or something like that Like there's there's a couple of ways to explain this because this is the thing You have your two options one. She wanted this to happen two. She did not want this to happen Um, but she will make the best of it as she can which I think makes a lot more sense because I'll say this about walla Like no matter what is happening She will do her best to make what is probably going to be the best choice from her pov without wasting time with like Emotional reactions. I would argue Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so if she finds out we've been betrayed everyone's shooting at us She's like fight your way out you can do it Like because that's all you can tell them Basically because they're they're all just gonna get killed anyway And then I would say telling team a or team two rather Which is how they referred to right? They're not the primary They consider non-primary if you look at it from a numbers point of view And so if they say like what the fuck were all those explosions Is it worthwhile telling them that I sent a team in We're doing the same job as you but they all got killed because someone betrayed them Or is it better to tell them? That's a distraction. We've launched to help you guys out. Don't worry about it I think she yeah I think she totally lied to the second team and told them it was a distraction because it just makes tactical Sense to do that to get the second team to keep doing and we do get a more overt admission of that when they're like Why didn't you tell us about rick flag and she's like you didn't need to know it at the time now you do? Yeah, yeah, is there a particular reason why they split the teams up? I was like it that's kind of why it's a little bit confusing is you're like wait a minute Why would you? Right like it was probably You could argue that for seeing an event such as this would be a reason to do it And wall has done this potentially many times at this point Is the thing about it's just the first team is bigger the one that gets killed off Like there's like it's like twice as much as team b, right Uh, yeah about twice as much. I think eight. I think in that one versus like five Yeah So, um, because I've seen a lot of people being very critical of it makes no sense For wall to have done all of this and put rick flag on the division team when she wants him alive And it's like I don't think that's another reason intentionally the division team I guess that the issue was just that black guard betrayed them and that's that was an issue variable No, I'm not saying that that's an issue. I'm saying that. Oh, right. Yeah But that was the hitch in the plan. Um, and then something fucking insane happens Um, rick flag is just in the jungle running away and he gets captured by rebels This is such a jarring cut that I it's almost like did we miss a scene? Like he was on the beach getting covered in in bullets and explosions and now he's in the jungle Which if you remember the just like what they show of us what they show to us, sorry of, um The the approaching enemies. I'll try and get a screenshot in a sec Uh, they're they've filled the jungle They're all over it. Like where the hell did he do that? It was completely surrounded hour of editing This is like, yeah This is the problem is that you want harley and rick flag to like be separated so that they can like have their own Adventures, but at the same time they throw them into the meat grinder So they need plot armor to get out. So it's like well, it's fine. They only do it the one time, right? Oh Yeah, just the one time. Yeah, so it's just a simple mistake This this screen right here. I'll get you guys in case you're not Oh, you already got it. That was the screen up, but um, how the fuck is rick flag getting into the jungle And this is the thing if there was only the answer if there was only um, like 10 of these soldiers But we saw the same kind of like, you know Debris and shrapnel everywhere like I still don't exactly know how he did it But with this many that's not happening You're done Um So yeah, he's captured by the rebels That Oh, sorry. Sorry to burn up honest Do you guys think it's a little weird for waller to ask them to push forward when you're looking at that? I know that flag was like contesting it and she said like the mission's too important, but seriously like Oh, so I don't know what she expected My theory with that would be that she wants them to make as much noise and damage as possible. She knows they're dead But but flags on the team and yeah, there's no way they're getting out of that as far as she's aware So kill them all kill every yeah And there's some people in chav mentioned like in terms of morale telling them you guys the greatest team I've got fuck them up. It might actually be like, all right. Let's do it. Everybody like it's sort of But she yeah, I would assume she knows they're all fucked As opposed to outright telling them that yeah, you're fucked. You're gonna die anyways Yeah, this is like why not and of course the the more they kill the more distraction they cause the better for team two I would assume I guess flag is the only trouble there because like that Yeah, it would the whole idea is to kill and if he's killed and that like my questions about that when they're trying to cover something Up, it's it's a little questionable I assume that they can they can cover up his death When this is a black ops mission, they can just fake it or whatever. I could say he was on a secret mission He's dead There's there's plenty they could probably do without to escape it I mean they'd have to get away with this somehow with the villains They're killing you can't just grab people out of prison and kill them Like you you gotta have something that you can cover this up with and I assume they've got all that sort of So yeah, that takes us to team two I was gonna say it unless there's anything else about that beach scene because I might miss someone Um, I want to highlight just something very small but something I thought was neat I noticed on my second watch through which is um Very first suicide squad movie you have this retarded touchscreen phone with one press of a button Someone's head explodes, right? Oh, yeah In this one you have a giant bulky suitcase So you have to open the suitcase and then there's the names of everyone there And then you have to flip a switch if you want to have access to the button that will detonate On their head. So I thought that was a much better Design for that mechanism rather than oh my finger slipped. Oops. I I've just killed Also, no one Also, no one on premise has tested the ability to I'm very curious what You don't you don't think that that's you don't think that that's a button that you'd want to be able to quick Press quickly. No in the event of No accidentally blow someone's head off. Yeah, this is clearly better. It's obviously better In the suicide squad if you guys remember I'd get a visual but I can't get it Right at the end when they're all like we can go home Amanda Waller shows up She's like nah, and she's got a thumb on like two people's heads Yeah, that's all it takes to blow them up and it's like fuck woman. What are you doing? Yeah, um this she has complete control. She's got um like the view and the and uh Like live camera feeds and then it's all in the room where she knows That nobody would try and stop her So she'll be fine Unless she underestimates them for any reason But um, yeah to me that makes a hell of a lot more sense than having an app on your phone Where you can accidentally fucking press buttons on it and kill everybody I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't have a safety I think I just think killer app like being faster might be more efficient Like because the whole idea is you want to kill them in the case that they desert or they try to like take over or Maybe take a hostage like I think having that in quick access in an emergency would be nicer than Going through the whole process. I mean neither none of those scenarios would yeah The the amount of potential advantage that you get from a touchscreen is so tiny and minuscule and arguably Negligible Well, just run the run the scenario of an actual little activation is just it because in in the first one She like has her hand on the thing and like you wonder why it's not even going off Like it seems like it would happen all the time by accident Especially if it's a touchpad that you were holding in your hand like like a phone and it has to be on So if anyone were to touch that then boom head goes away I mean this is clearly a deliberate move as someone's being monitored constantly if if as you can see from my avatar I'm aiming to shoot fringy right and I've got the thing in my head and rags is like with the touchpad I guess he could blow me up instantly or he could be like i'm going to blow you up if you don't lower your weapon Like or he could just you know do do the same thing Really with the other case he won't be able to necessarily stop me from killing fringy But I don't know that that's something he could stop me from doing with the touchpad either Because i'm going to do it so quick, you know Yeah, I mean it's it's not too much time. It's just something that I think is like I mean you have to open the briefcase like flip the switch like there's a lot of safeties and it's like I Considering all these people are supposed to be disposable. I think it's almost unnecessary safety Although the missions are important. So I don't know how like they're just they they can be disposable But in the sense of you want to keep them alive if you can They get lots and lots of warnings For things Like these are assets to you that you can use You definitely don't want to risk accidentally getting rid of one of I feel like the easy thing is like how many times have you had your phone in your pocket and then like you pick it up And it turns out there's been pressing buttons Imagine if you had that in your pocket and then like dead shots heads blew up because like your phone turned on in your pocket Like Yeah, exactly. Yeah Accidentally touching the screen Yeah There's also like one other thing I want to highlight and that is they were taking bets on who was going to survive the mission I thought that was like a neat little detail indicating that yes This suicide squad's been going on for a while and this is kind of just the tradition in the office that wall is kind of just like Oh, whatever I think isn't isn't one of the lines when she catches them. It's like this is a normal thing to do Something like that. Like so it's just got an offline like that Yeah Also gary's in chat. How you doing? And I hope you're enjoying vegas They're all they're all doing the the hangout over there We're still all in our respective parts of the universe and we've managed to get through um good, you know 12 minutes of this movie You've been doing great. Yeah, that's actually you know, it's pretty good Well, considering that we had to get everyone's perspectives on the movie first I say we're making great time. That's actually so yeah, it does feel like we're being expedient Just not compared to a lot of how people would do it Well, it's worth noting. We haven't run into too many issues thus far as we progress Well, so something I actually forgot to say and um If you look at the the the image I just gave you guys If you know ahead of time that they're coming to get you they're coming to this beach or whatever Shouldn't you have units prepared in the water? Um, I would say if you know, they're coming here I would wait for them on land especially assuming that they have to get here with boats or a helicopter or something So you don't want to have one of your boats out there They have they have helicopters. They have attack helicopters. So I guess when I said I guess it was further in land When I say units, I mean like literally anything you can think of in terms of like so we could have scuba units Or we could have just standard helicopters approaching with spotlights so you can make sure no one's escaping and stuff Um, just seems to me the if savant hadn't had his head exploded He might have been able to swim down and then around the island and he would have escaped Yeah, maybe um, I guess I'm wondering how competent this military really is if there's some well a bunch of dudes on an island Um Yeah, that's that's about it for the scene for me. Um, again, it's If no one else got anything we can move on to the real beginning of the film Yeah, uh, do we need to talk about the javelin? That's a little bit later. No, that's okay So Yeah, we we do a little like intro credit scene and it basically just scans through all of the people being dead and um I think it's the the song is Everybody's gonna die or something like that. It's it's some kind of uh match those the people who died right or something Yeah And uh, even we saw him kill a bird in the opening and a bird is feasting on his brains I forget what kind of bird it is. Sorry Hey, I meant so on Yes And so then we enter into seeing straight on to to bloodsport get all Idris Elba Um, who is I guess you guys would call he's our protagonist, right? You probably say I would yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah, and he's just cleaning everything in the in the prison Bellevue. It's is the prison, right? Bellevue. Bellevue. Yeah, he even pulls out savance here from Wonderful. Oh, I didn't make that connection I assume it's savance. It could be someone else's here. I assume so. Yeah Um, and yeah, and they're all forced to wear crocs too some with socks monsters So Uh, it's it's becomes clear quickly. So this is actually something weird that I already noticed this on my third time in terms of thinking about it The way that they introduce bloodsport to us in terms of a character profile Is Amanda's sort of what seems to be here like main analyst guy. We see a lot from him He's like so who's bloodsport and I was thinking like how the fuck would you not know who the guy who shot Superman is? Like he's probably one of the most famous villains of all time at this point You and the thing that the movies do these days where people that should know what was going on us are asking really dumb questions I feel like those this guy What is what I feel like those guys in the control room are kind of meant to be audience surrogates in a lot of ways Because a lot of people were like guessing which characters were going to be the ones to die inside of this movie as well I feel like that's kind of what the bedding is for like I feel like they they want those guys to ask the audience this question I feel there's a bad way to do that you have a new guy in the room And the rest of them are like excited to tell him about blood sports like oh, you don't okay So blood sports whole thing. He's like oh, I heard is he killed Superman or something? He's like no, he didn't kill him. He's in the ICU He's like how do you do that? It's like kryptonite bullet man surprise batman and think of it It's kind of funny um because in the original Slipknot arrives and they're like, yeah, that's slipknot the man that can climb anything and then here is we're like Blood sport, who's that? Wait, why he he shot Superman like as if they don't already know this But they already knew about slipknot the man who can you fit us If there's two people in the world to know the most about It's not going to be it's not going to be the guy who shot super bad. Sorry the one piece It would be it would be the guy who could climb anything. That's the one you want to know Everyone would talk about slipknot. I'm sure Um, yeah, they don't waste any time. They they have her explain He's weapons expert who was trained to kill from a super young age by his dad who is a mercenary and He's very he's bad news bad ombre. He doesn't want to talk to anybody about anything. He's like fuck off. Fuck you Fuck everything. I'm not going to join the suicide squad Um, I don't think we ever get a specific reason for that. I'm assuming he just doesn't want to Go on a literal suicide missions. I uh, I don't know if anyone else could draw anything from what they saw Maybe he wants to serve his time potentially to get back with his daughter or something like that Like maybe he wants to go straight kind of maybe possibly It's like pretty antagonistic, so I'm not sure if it's oh, yeah, yeah motivated by that Yeah, the impression I got was just he just doesn't Doesn't want to join her suicide. He thinks it's a fucking crazy endeavor probably which like I said I think you couldn't fear the amount of people who've never come back from those missions It's probably fair to say that there's reason to not want to join Um, but it could just be the fact that he just doesn't want to be used Um, he'll just serve his time sort of thing. There's just not a huge amount on that but He definitely against it And then it's like now leave me alone. Just like ah, but you've got a visitor And um, this would be the first way that people are going to compare the two characters, of course, we've got Issues with a daughter a daughter is involved in some way shape or form now weird dead shots was Like he did he wants to what would he even say in 2016 about the daughter in totals anyone? He just wants to be in there. He's ordered to be proud of him. Basically. It's like a pretty straightforward relationship She's like mom told me that you kill people for money. He's like that's not true. That's a lie. She's lying Dude that delivery was fantastic And I mean the child actress is also doing just a the most amazing job delivering her lines About how she doesn't doesn't care about what her dad does for a living um See the scene basically plays out as She's stolen something and now she's in trouble and he doesn't really give a shit But um, he quickly finds out that his sentencing is going to depend on whether or not he's cooperative in relation to the suicide squad Um, and as much as he makes it clear He's aggressively gunning for her to have nothing to do with him the second that she's Threatened in such a way that he can stop it. He's gonna do it Um, I'm a big fan of bloodsport in this movie. It's probably gonna be gushing a little bit of how well he's done dialogue wise But it's really fun to watch him rip into the daughter because he's desperate. Oh, they're back and forth is great Not just because he's a bit of an asshole But also because he wants her to get the fuck away from him And he makes it very clear because he's ended up the way he is because of his dad And so he reckons that she'll end up a similar way if she's anywhere Yeah him or anyone like him is what he says Trying to get her to fuck off basically But the second that she's threatened. He's willing to take someone's head off of the pen So you got the it's a very approachable sort of archetype. You understand it very well Yeah, I get it Yeah, but what I'll Oh, sorry Well interesting exchange between him and his daughter like uh, I find it funny how he basically roasts her for getting caught for stealing Like a smart watch And she says that she's just embarrassed that he's her father I'm thinking like Bitch, he's the man that put Superman in the ICU. You should be like super proud that he is your father Yeah, especially that superman Exactly the superman who did it dad typically this The world What what I do really like about his opening scenes is that it it pretty quickly establishes a pretty Complex character like not only does it subvert what you would expect from a quote on quote Dead shot clone like a pretty quickly establishes. This is this is quite a different kind of father-daughter relationship But it also what it establishes is that this is a man Who under the surface is pretty he's got a pretty strong paternal instinct. He's very much driven by Um fatherhood Under the surface, but he really fucking hates that he's driven by fatherhood He really fucking hates that he has this noose around his neck. Thanks to this daughter that he didn't want And it manifests in interesting ways later in the film. I'll just say that absolutely It's a they really quickly set a foundation for exactly who he is and what he cares about and We hard cut to him rushing toward Amanda Waller. There is there's a lot of exchanges I like at this and uh again, I don't know how what I'm gonna end up saying about waller in totality But he's like you're gonna send my 14 year old daughter to prison and she just goes no She's 60 she's 60 Oh He's a bitch. He's a hardcore bitch. Um And she basically said like he thinks that's bad enough that she's going to prison Amanda Waller makes it clear. It's not that it's I'm gonna put her in belrive and uh people die here Dot dot dot That's about it And then like the other analysts are like did she just did she just threatened to kill his daughter and then it's like, yeah basically, yeah That was probably my favorite scene with her like that was like the way she delivers that in the way that that's written It's like damn dude. That's that is a good threat And I mean basically how waller always is she's a stone cold bitch I was gonna say it's in line with what we saw of her in the 2016 version She's a little bit more insane in that one at least with this one. I I better understand what she's doing. For example, if someone said you really think she would kill that kid I'd be like, I'm not sure. Um, but I believe she would absolutely use it as leverage for as long as she could Because that's what she'd do. Um, yeah, she can murder federal agents very casually. Absolutely Yeah, uh He gets what she wants And he's like you threaten him a daughter and she's like i'm protecting this country Like there you go. It's pretty clear of what she's characterized as every goal. She has is apparently from her view Going to better the country Every time and so she's willing to go to any lengths basically And a lot of people do compliment. Um, I'm not sure the actress's name, but her as waller. I just like I think i'm just viola davis. Yeah I think I think I like her. I just um, I keep thinking about how much I hated her in the first movie because it wasn't just She's a you know a cold bitch or whatever. It's also just like being baffled by her decisions um, yeah, that Well, yeah, it's just it you gotta It's like two different universes the first movie in the second It's weird to see the like to see flagging in to see waller again and to see them being so different In terms of their writing and what they're You know how they're going about what they're doing um So, yeah, um, she's basically like i'm making you team leader and Let's get going. So they meet their first member of the team It's uh, john sena as peacemaker Who uh, she just she describes him exactly the same way she described bloodspots as people earlier Except swapping out the word mercenary for soldier um And like at the end of the description bloodspots like you fucking you having a laugh like what the fuck is this? He's like the same because she immediately because she said oh, yeah Everyone on this team has chosen for the unique set of abilities and then immediately describes him exactly the same And and then blood sport says he does the same thing that I do and then Peacemaker's very first line dialogue is I do it better Better and I'm gonna say we'll do we are gonna do our best again to keep everything Chronologically, right? I know some people gonna want to jump ahead with certain references Just keep them in keeping your pocket. Put them in your notepad, right? But yeah, he says that um He will I love the line. He says um, I hit my target's dead center I hit the boar in the center. He's like how do you hit the boar in the center? It's like smaller bullets Good shit, um Yeah, and then they meet up with I think they they both moved to ratcatcher 2 Who all we know up to this point is that her dad was ratcatcher one He died and she has the power to control rats So that you know could come in handy in any way shape or form you never know Uh, by the way, we've we've alluded to some of these things But while you're watching it, especially in retrospect after you finish There's a lot of little setups here. Yes or things that will pay off later on Sign us some fun scripts when you can look for a second time and be like, oh, okay Yeah, that thing wasn't just the thing it was a thing for oh My bad as chow reminding me I was just gonna do him second But he should have been first king shock was actually the next person they meet Played wonderfully by Stallone, which is pretty fucking cool. Yep. Yeah Frank Stallone. Yes Frank Stallone. Yeah um So, uh, like how do you what do you even have to say about this? He's he's a giant shock man I guess he's not really he's a big man. He's not necessarily a big shock This is like, you know, you put him together He's a shock person and uh, he speaks in very limited sort of English Um, and the first thing I think he's doing he's reading a book upside down and they point at that and laugh And he's like, oh, he's smart smart I like books. This is like, yeah, so yeah hearts in the right place He comes across like a real childlike demeanor Yeah, and and so we've already if if the joke with peacemaker and blood sport is that they're almost the same fucking person This is a like polar opposite to them. This guy is incredibly dumb super strong. That seems to be like what they're gunning for Also, he's a shark You could say that's a bit unusual And then the last person to meet on the team is polka dot man Um, yeah, yeah, as John Cena points out What is what does he do throw polka dots and then it just pans to Amanda wall's dead pan face Almost like she's a weird like I am in such a fucking stupid movie Yes, he throws polka dots at people but they're not just any polka dots Um, I don't consider this like spoiler or anything. They are um multi-dimensional polka dots so they can tear through basically everything Get a very powerful Melt stuff. Yeah Yeah Um, and there's also a cameo from the calendar man in that same scene played by shawngun again There was um, I remember There was like a woman with like patchwork tattoos or whatever apparently she's something as well Yeah, I believe so I just I just don't think of her name off my head. I actually is that supposed to be crazy quilt Potentially Uh So that's the team. Um, I'm trying to remember if there's there's bits to point out. I guess, um, that The bloodsport immediately, uh, is a like fucking with she's rat catcher and he's just like Jesus Christ She has a rat get away from me He's just like, huh But the rat and this this is just this is just how animals work. I think at this point the rat immediately waves Hello to him and wants to to shake his hand. He's like, I ain't shaking that thing's had and it gets really sad Yeah What a piece of shit. Yeah, the rat one rat's great Well, the little rat's name is Sebastian You will be uh, you'll be relevant going forward He's a good little rat. Yeah. Yeah as is rat catcher too. She's she's she's good rat. She's uh Uh, we'll have to just just keep pins in things as we're going to make sure everyone's following But yeah, that's pretty much our team And I think uh, like her thing we we get straight away is that she's just really tired And um, turns out that's just a constant element of her character. She can very easily go to sleep and she's very hard to disturb Um, which by the way relatable I think I mentioned this on eFab before but um, it was a jackhammer just outside my my house doing road work It was it felt like it was meters away And I managed to go to sleep because I been up for a while and I was like fuck it and I I don't know that I've ever done anything as impressive as go to sleep next to a jackhammer Yeah Um, and yeah, and then we hard cut back to the beach because this is the oh wait. No, sorry That's in a moment. We get the the briefing Which yeah, uh, it's it's kind of a cool idea. Um compared to a lot of I don't know super villain in the superhero plots. It's that um there is An island off the coast of Like I guess it's out Maltese But it is cool to Maltese, but I can't remember where it where it is in the world. Is it like I think it's america island Um, yeah, it seems to be like a south america kind of set up. Yeah one of those like a cuba It's been ruled by a family for x amount of time There was a military coup and that family have been killed and it's taken over by a new set of people And so naturally a peacemaker assumes like all you want us to kill those those guys and she's like No, we want you to get to a place called Jotunheim. It's like a big building and destroy all of the data in there like Range kind of mission, but hey and it's black ops. You have to wonder what this could all mean where it's all going but Very straightforward and they're gonna get in there by getting the thinker A guy as grieves. I think is his name he's um He's peter capaldi with a bunch of things sticking out of his head And uh So that'll be their way and they have to capture him and he will get them into the building And then they destroy the building and that's mission complete then they can leave And immediately you're like wait, that's a reasonable mission for those people It seems like yeah destroy data. It's like yeah, that's all right. Yeah better than stopping a witch lady Lasers just stopping random lasers appearing big blue lasers this guy um, I think the body language is pretty interesting in the in the briefing scene you've got uh Bloodsport couldn't give less of a fuck. He's just like waiting for the briefing to be over A peacemaker is paying complete attention and writing down all notes in relation to everything that's being said A king shark is completely vacant. He has no idea what's going on And uh rat catcher too is more interested in the overhead projector and why it's even in the room because it's some old tech right there And then uh polka dot man just looks nervous. He's just like uh, uh, uh, uddies And um as if anyone's seen the trailer, it's just like we're all gonna die probably that he's like, I hope so I hope so And then hard cut to them being the only survivors. Yeah And we've got uh, everyone's in their outfits and peacemakers is quite just Yeah, like Yeah I love it. It's so totally just makes you immediately think like you've got that directly from the comics, didn't you? You can tell it's from the comics because it looks dumb, but charming That's very charming um So yeah, uh, they're not 100 clear on exactly what they should do and where they should go and like immediately We're getting a back and forth between peacemaker and bloodsport about that like, um I think is so Uh, he says like go eat a bag of dicks, which by the way, this is a joke, but at least something that I think is really interesting Is a go eat a bag of dicks And he's like if there was dicks all over this island and I had to eat everybody every one of them for liberty I would do it in a hot field or something like that. Uh, Of course, that was really funny. But great. The raccatch too is like, why would someone put dicks all over the islands? That uh The classic line who knows why mad men do what they do What a great line boys. And so, uh, made it very clear He will you'll go to any extreme In that case liberty and then bloodsport turns on him and says, um, I think you just use liberty as an excuse to do Whatever the fuck you want to do And then uh, the response is essentially I can't remember the specific line, but he's like, yeah, but I don't kill men for money Um, and so you despite the fact that these two have been introduced as essentially the same archetype We're already deviating significantly in terms of who they are Very different values. They never say what east keeper did to get in prison Peace maker and I'm not sure. I don't think they ever did actually Probably killed someone. I mean he says That line's great It's just pretty like almost psychotic like this thing kind of establishes that he uses liberty almost as an excuse to perhaps Indulge some deeper urges within him Yeah, that's that's the criticism from bloodsport and once we get further along we could probably talk more about it Oh, yeah, and we of course the explosion from team one makes The bloodsport immediately grab two pieces of tech from his suit and turn them into a gun And so basically his if you want to call it gimmick Is his suit has loads of pieces of metal all around it and he can pull them off And they're like nanotech pieces or chunks that can morph into something else be it pistol rifle Grapple hook, you know, like he has a lot of little devices on its helmet Um, it's pretty cool. This is uh an awesome awesome really cool Like power set to have because it's like all of these modular elements There's like compromises every time that you need to use something but also like benefits You can get from them and if you lose a little bit then you have less options to work with and you need to improvise It's awesome. It's really cool. Yeah, and they do work with a stake to that later on Yes, incredibly Incredibly compact and easy to conceal Yeah, and it's just it's such an opportunity for creativity too I'm hoping if we ever see bloodsport again for whether or not he may have died in this movie So we could do a prequel or sequel or whatever Uh, I'd like to see more with that tech A little maybe some crazier ideas. I still like what they did in this movie a lot. So a little good Then yeah, I Oh, sorry. I'll go ahead for some that Oh, yeah, so something like on that like subject. Um, so you have you have like, um blood sport who has You know, as you said, he's got this more modular tech. There's more sophisticated modern uh tech meanwhile, you've got, um Peacemaker who has a much more classic kind of Aesthetic to a very like firm. This is a costume. This is a superhero super villain costume And it's reflected in their gadgets and abilities as well to kind of help further contrast them So so blood sports the more like I suppose utilitarian Um, you know assassin while um peacemaker. He's got a lot his gadgets are a lot more I guess you could call them Yeah, so he's not he's not, um So he's not using a lot of Yeah, that's that's a kind of him His full arsenal includes the pistol silenced pistol. It's like it's really fucking long when you put It's on it. Yeah, it's like a yeah It's super really really impactful as an item Then he also has a dart a blow dart and um and an axe I think that's in total what we see him use Yeah Obviously blood sport is just he could pull out anything and it wouldn't necessarily be a surprise and it's all really uh Got some nice sound effects to it and um It makes him come across as very very cool. He's got a huge cool factor, especially with how his suit is all like black and orange or Black and like a dull gold. I guess and then you've got um his mask I can't help but see alien in it with the um Yeah, it has that smooth top to it and then the more organic looking mouth teeth Yeah, it's like the jaw of a skull is it's the bottom of it and and he gets the modulated voice whenever he has it on as well so to me he comes across as like Like a person's attempt to make a really cool modern uh bad ass sort of villain and then peacemaker is just not even close to attempting to be cool and yet Pretty cool In a very uncool way it is cool. Yes. Yeah Um, and then we get the first of what I consider to be Pacing issues. Um, but you know, we can talk about it. Um, I at this point Oh, yeah, the only one thing I forgot is polka dot bad distracts everybody because he's got fucking colors growing out of his skin And they're all like what the fuck and he just quickly goes it's a rash Um, and yeah more on that later um But yeah, we we just we cut to What I felt was like just too long of a seed of javelin man passing his javelin to harley quinn and um, what's a harley quinn humor And I don't know I I don't want to say it's just her I would rather say it's always it's always going to be the writers and the not even james gun james gun could write her dialogue That was entertaining reason pattern moller, but well, no it's not because it's three different writers at that point Well in terms of her And she's the mainstay well, so I'm saying that if a writer If we've got three people different people writing it with three different goals, which I think you could say she's I don't know what's going on for her in each of these movies in terms of like exactly what the writers are trying to do with her um But like her dialogue is cringe throughout Does that mean we conclude that she can't work or does that mean we conclude that all of them failed? Oh, um I mean I get I mean all of them failed I mean well makes me wonder Well, we'll we'll go through it because I know there's There's a growing sentiment among lots of people that she's pretty good in this movie. Um, I Those people are wrong. I don't and they should be ashamed of themselves She's insufferable in this. Um, there's a couple There's a couple of lines that she says that are like somewhat amusing Um, I think like her reaction to tdk is just her going the fuck Which is like kind of an easy one to nail and then there's an exchange later on which I don't want to spoil at all We'll try and um, you guys are the one as we as we go on We'll try and point out what we think works and doesn't work about it But like this scene So like javelin man, it's like you must take this javelin It is meant for you and then the payoff that everyone can see coming Is there's gonna be some kind of joke like what's the joke gonna be And the joke is you didn't tell me what I'm supposed to do with the javelin or who I'm meant to take it to And then everyone shows up with guns and she's like, this is so fucked I don't know where I'm supposed to go with this javelin. He didn't tell me where I'm supposed to go And I was just like, yeah, okay Yeah, I thought this was the beginning of some kind of meaningful character thing with her Nope, it sets up how important the javelin is because the javelin is very important inside of this movie Is it or could it have been anything? I think we'd have to conclude it would have to have been the javelin The only way that we can help make it make sense, which we will get to is that that javelin has to be more than just a javelin It's got to be some kind of Some sort of type it has to there's no other way. Otherwise this movie has more damage. Let's just sort of that way Um So yeah javelin man dies She's got the javelin and I was just like this is where it begins in terms of the All right, as long as we're gonna spend too much time with her, I want to go back to my characters, please Like and then we do I was like, okay, we're safe. Um Bloodsport wakes up to the sounds of polka dot man Well, not the sounds I guess the sounds of him like uh being very concerned. He's got a body horror thing going on So sorry, could I just interrupt up? Like I also want to point out that they don't gun down harley They were shooting at her that entire time and they take her hostage for reasons that become clear later on It's like, oh, they say like give up a world shoot you because that's how they did it with the rest of them Right well then again and wallow doesn't immediately I guess at that point the battle was sort of like over and they do have A reason we're gonna get to it for sparing her more than the others but um So there's a level of allowance, but it's still I'm not gonna give away. She was lucky as fuck to be alive throughout that whole thing Yeah And how come when she got taken prisoner why didn't waller just detonate her right then is there's nothing I missed there Um I suppose well she says them to no wait. She sends them to to save uh flag right not I think Waller or was that flags in um own initiative there? Well, so this is we're gonna have trouble now because she says that she's lost flag and they only discover flag later So does that mean they don't know where harley is but it does that I don't know why they wouldn't They would have to have trackers on all what about the no, they do that's the thing They don't track them all they lose The closer you get to the island and they apparently lose flag when he meets up with the rebels Only to this is the problem with this film and if you remember the analyst goes I am so fucking good at my job I found rick flag. It's like how What do you mean? Was that hard either his signal transmits or it doesn't what do you mean you found him? How does that work? Um, so yeah They it all works the way that it has to work for them to have the things they want unfortunately It would be weird if if they all have trackers, but like doesn't no he does he definitely does Is that it turns off because they get jammed a bomb or anything just yeah They get jammed that's that's what the film's telling us and and for some reason they detect him briefly And then they can send the suicide squad to go get him Um, it's weird and it's convenient for specific things that they want, but you're right, uh, if harley hasn't registered as dead Then I guess they're not going to kill her until they find out what she decided to do If they knew she was captured though, which uh walla never finds that out. I don't think um, I I guess that's the excuse She didn't blow her up because she didn't know that she was captured. She just assumed she might have been dead Yeah, so it's more an issue without inconsistent the tracking is yeah on the Mech bomb will do those trackers have confirmation on if they are if they're dead or not So this is interesting. Yeah, they have pictures of the characters and they go black when they're dead I don't know that you have in our discord. You have two with skulls on them the live tracker On our discord call here the one with all the little The jungle like the overhead the heat map thing. Oh, yeah Yeah, you have the two skulls for the dead ones Oh interesting. I didn't even well In that I don't know so all I was going to say is I don't know if that's automatic Like they've got a sensor of the brain activity or blood flow or something Yeah, maybe that But he's alive and well Why would you say that? He's absolutely dead. What do you mean? What are you talking about? This was a tragic moment Savant announced it. He's dead Yeah, that's true. I made a mistake. I'm sorry saying that savants lying like fucking out We all want him to be alive too for you. Yeah, I get it in your heart. He's alive in my heart. Yeah, that's true He's just alive in my heart. That's all so Yeah, the track is weird and um, it's funny because there's a line later on where she's like Yes, we can't get through to you to communicate, but we definitely can blow you up still so don't try anything It's like, okay. I'm not convinced but okay It's mom and my neck. I'll go along with it. I'm not going to take that chance. Oh, absolutely Yeah, um And then you get some a little neat Once polka dot man rises and he's covered in the dots He he vomits it all out and he's back to normal We'll get more context on that in a minute as you can see we're just man rises Yes, uh, we're just putting the pins in this then blood falls like we're what and Sebastian is squeaking at him It's like what's going on here and the rat points over Unfortunately king shark is about to eat rat catcher two Um, I know You see the shark man is huge and I imagine he gets hungry quite a bit Got got a lot to power up that uh A body of his and it's funny because he does the Good old just normal comedic thing of like he's spotted and his eye looks at bloodsport and then back at her And um, yeah, she's she's very much a deep sleeper as you can tell from this image Um, yep, and then we get some pretty just just good old fashioned They sort of set up in the first time we meet her. She's very sleepy. Well. Yeah, she doesn't even wake up really after being dropped And uh, yeah, just nanotech guns gets it all together and blows king shark away until he hits the back of a tree And this I would say is establishing either that he's using stun rounds on king shark or these are lethal rounds But king shark is that strong It's hard to tell that Yeah, I I think it's reasonable to assume that he would have just used lethal rounds on it And why not he's about to kill a team member Yeah That's the whole thing we're avoiding metal god Fucking idiot. Gosh first person to spoil anything by the way. So that's why I'm so mad at you and not anyone else um Yeah, so I think it's safe to assume from that that he may very well be bulletproof as well as the fact that a Waller says soon after this that uh, he is the strongest member of your team You don't really want to kill him because of course When you try and eat a team member the rest of the team might feel like you shouldn't be on the team Feel like that's a safe sort of assumption um, but then despite what bad guys killing their own, uh Men trope might lead you to believe if you don't want to be around people who might kill you at any moment um Yeah, so so now the question of what the fuck do we do with this? It's funny because rat catcher two turns up and she's like I was having a really nice dream Look, she has no fucking clue that she was about to die Uh And she doesn't believe that king shock would have tried to eat her because she likes him already. She's like he has kind eyes Like oh, that's that's nice. And then the rat tells her that no, he tried to kill you And she goes you bastard that gets her obby of rats to turn up which by the way I guess there is an obby of rats where they'd meet us everywhere they go Rats are everywhere That it's just it's a little long enough to know that rats are everywhere Yes, right. I well, is there isn't there like two billion rats on earth or something? Is that correct or is it? Yeah, right, there's a lot of rats lot of rats um And so yeah, this is um, obviously just a scene to establish exactly what kind of stuff we're dealing with with her She has a little device She turns it on and then all the rats will in the area which apparently Can be as many as like a thousand will immediately do whatever she says Or thinks I guess But well puts into the device. She probably has specific buttons for something. I don't fucking know. It's a it's a sci-fi device and um then Like they all they all sort of turned up ready and John Cena just turns up in tidy whities Because he was sleeping. Yeah, I was getting comfy with a sleep. Yep And uh at this scene, I think this is where I started to basically be like I'm really liking this movie now The dialogue throughout this scene is fantastic um Pretty much every line they deliver is a banger Um over and over again because the first thing you have is her activating the rats and we already know That blood sports got a thing with rats from earlier And so he immediately gets really uncomfortable And he just goes I've I've got a thing with rats She's like you gotta think well, why do you want a team with me? It's not something I asked for Like And John Cena's just laughing at them while having this discussion And the so he obviously gets a little pissed off because they've got a bit of a rivalry going on He's like, what are you? Why are you wearing tidy? Why do you go? Hey, man? That's racist And um we cut to the The sort of analyst desk place and they're discussing shit If you listen you can hear them arguing on the radio and he goes I think Bloodsport says something like stop racist. They're tight and they're white Oh really? You have to listen carefully to try and catch it Um Yeah, and I don't know is I have a couple lines I really like from Bloodsport in this But what she says you didn't tell me you have a fear for rats du bois, which I think what is his name? It's something du bois, right? I forget Robert yeah, I just told him blood sport. Yeah, I typical blood sport And um, yeah, and it cuts back to him just goes I'm an assassin. Why would I share my liabilities that screams he sees a rat? This is a good point This whole scene is like such a great example of the fine line of balancing like comedy and drama Because we kind of have the dramatic element of like Rat catcher is talking there, you know King shark about friends and like what it means to be friends and not eating your friends And this is all meaningful Like character building stuff in terms of relationships while at the same time We've got all of this stuff going on with like blood sport and peacemaker, but They're jokes that also tell us a lot about who these people are in meaningful ways. It's really good Like that's just really good Expeditious writing Completely what he's really um Achieving so many things at once. Yeah, and I just I don't know the the humor keeps hitting as well They got a Sebastian walks up to The blood sport with a little leaf. She goes, oh, he's giving you a pretty leaf to show you. He means no harm He just goes, well, fuck what I want a leaf It is a nice leaf and it breaks my heart to hear blood blood sport talking this sweet little rat And yeah, um This is me the blood sport is coming across as so fucking human because he's uh We the the initial blast of him is just ruthless cold asshole But now we're getting like he has a he has a fear of rats and he's getting uncomfortable people criticizing him for it Because he's supposed to be the strongest It's very much an indiana jones like snake thing. Yeah, and it's like, yeah Like it's not it's not unreasonable, but even this hardened assassin would be freaked out by certain things like rats Yeah, and I've got some notes about how um his fear of rats actually kind of um has an interesting through line with Yeah, the thematic elements with him later on. Yep So um, yeah, and then and then we sort of cut out of the um, the more just comedic back and forth dialogue with uh Hey, we're gonna kill megalodouche now or what? From uh jones, because he's barely like he doesn't give a fuck. He'll just kill the shark if it's getting in the way um And so yeah, ratcatcher 2 is like, all right Would you eat your friends? Because that seems like a a mean thing to do and king shark's like, well, I don't have any He's like, oh man All right, well Let's be friends and she even says if you eat me Like that will mean I gambled on love and that's a good way to go like that's like her line It comes across like really sweet and they shake hands and the bludge pool is just like you're an idiot That's it You are a little idiot And um, yeah, her face goes from like really happy to concerned because you know, what does she get it into? You don't really know because a shark person Who knows what they're gonna who knows why shark people do what they do? um Yeah, and and it closes out and it's just really strong scene Makes me like everybody involved Um, and you just need more of this stuff and it and it progresses Plenty as well in terms of understanding people's powers and their um obviously I say this as if it's not just underserved. It's like yes king shark is a hungry boy That's gonna be an element to him that will be potentially satisfied as we go along. Who knows um Which means yeah, so rick flag is discovered by the incredible analyst man And she just redirects them to go and rescue him before continuing the mission um And we get a scene that is such a combo. Well, you know what before we get to that There's a little bit of dialogue that is so important and also so funny It was in it was in the trailer Yep, the way it goes is like they set up to have to destroy this camp that has rick Uh captured in it and so that's going to require a lot of killing. She says, um What's the what's the phrase for it like? complete When you're allowed to kill everybody Oh extreme prejudice, that's the one. Yeah extreme Man Was peacemaker says nothing like a little bloodbath to start the day Yeah, it cut it. Well the pads over to rat catch it too. She goes they call you peacemaker I just love that line To which he says I cherish peace with all my heart I don't care how many men women and children. I have to kill to get it That is like one of my favorite lines of the entire movie. It like just It expresses his character like through and through. It's exactly who he is so So this is I think it's a fantastic line and the reason why I think that is not only is it a really funny joke And when you watch it at first it's like, ha it's funny. You're an idiot. But like That he actually believes that. Yeah, that's what he believes Yeah, just lost me put it put it in your back pocket sort of thing whenever you're considering peacemaker Um, because it may have been a funny line But it might be a little bit more than that. Uh, so yeah, that yeah, that's basically like the intro to the scene now There are two modes in which I would like to oh, I guess I shouldn't cut off Rat catcher two that says I thought you were the crazy one to poke it up bad. He just goes I am Oh It's so funny So we begin a scene and there yeah, there are two ways I'd like to talk about it one being how strong the comedy is and then the other being How strong the continuity is? Uh Now I don't know which which one would you guys like to go with first or would you just want to bounce between them? Oh, let's start with the enemy AI and how none of them hear each other Continuity first Yes, right So the way this this works is we have a camp filled with enemies It's very you could say video gamey with we got our two Main killers on the team are going to kill everybody in the camp to free rick flag um During it there's a bit of a pissing contest on which one is the better assassin and unfortunately that means That we were more focused on how cool the kills were and the writer director was not focused on the logistics Of all of this because it doesn't make a lick of fucking sense um Nope, not even from the first kill if you actually look at how everything is set and where everyone's sitting This is one of the quintessential examples of a scene that relies on you thinking that anyone who's not on the screen doesn't exist Yeah, the object permanence basically Yeah, there's there's literally a shot where you know it was after he tomahawks that guy to death while he's sleeping Where it whipped pans to the side For bloodsport to kill those guys with the the hook weapon and it's almost like they spawned just before the camera Yeah, it's it's honestly that one was one of the most distracting we were watching it Because I was like whoa these guys were meters away from you just having killed screaming enemies What the hell I feel like that's the question right on set. Did you not think like oh, they're like right here? Like Or like the actors already right like literally outside of the screen waiting to do stuff. Yep Yeah, I think they just said fuck it because it's a comedy segment So they didn't give a shit which is which sucks because like one of them Yeah, absolutely bloodsport is like meters away from a person who is looking at him, but the camera doesn't show them um, it's just after the first kill he gets with the uh The strangulation thing He gets a ball and he spins it up ready to attack and the camera like pans over and it's someone Who's looking right at him and it's like what were they doing the whole time? Like what they were just looking at you being like well, this guy looks like he's But a lot of them have guns And so we're just supposed to believe that they are literally on pause until the camera shows them. It's so bizarre There's so much screaming And there's burning and there's gunfire like and yet nobody's alerted to anything Logistically, it's like one of the loads Logistically, it's one of the worst quote-unquote action sequences. I've seen in a comic book movie It's pretty And couldn't help well enter it to a video game because it just feels like a video game. Yeah. No, you're right I it's well an AI with what are they what are they called in doxels? It's like a Fuck it meld. You know i'm talking about where it's like the aggression range the agro. Yeah agro range Yeah, this it also reminds me of like leashing ranges as well. We're um, hey mauler Yeah, must must have been the wind. Oh, yeah, that's just an entire scene um but if If are we through on that mode because then we can reset the scene and talk about it from a different perspective Because interaction in this because yeah because it ends with them entering rick flags area and he and the people They have no idea any of this had happened despite all of the crazy noise. It's just like, okay Don't really believe it. However, we rewind and go all the way back Um, it opens with with king shark eating someone which by the way that alone should leave everybody But i'm gonna stop i'm gonna stop saying that now. Well, um, the kills are all like they start They almost like amp up in terms of the complexity. Um, because the opening ones are just like, uh Like axe throw to the head and then sword to the to the neck from oh, yeah, peacemaker has a sword too. Um I guess i forgot that one. Oh, okay, uh, as does blood sport you do see him with a sword at one point Uh, i assume Yeah, yeah, it's all oh, yeah, I don't know if because i'm not sure what peacemaker keeps his sword if it might be retractable Um, are you doing the tomahawk or am i missing something? No, he has a sword. Yeah, he has a sword He uses it a couple times actually. I just remembered it. Um, is this kill that I think everybody fucking found hilarious where peacemaker is, um He kills someone by slicing slicing their throat with his axe and then he comes across another guy And he just who's sleeping and he just hits it like seven times with the axe Oh the reaction to that guy's like That is comedic timing there Yes, indeed and then Um, you blow dots three people and as he jumps down you see the uh blood sport's been setting people on fire So like that's a again just you can tell when they were making this thing They were like, what's cooler and cooler in different ways we can have people die because it's not as simple as they just shoot Shoot shoot shoot shoot done so um just different interesting things and because the um The last kill in that moment is he shoots his gun right next to dead, uh, like even I want to say dead sport on accident Yeah, uh blood sports face He shoots the gun right past him and he has like taken the mask off and frown I gotta because it's like this the closest they get to like getting in each other's way stuff like that um And yeah, so then he immediately pulls out his pistol and shoots a leg of a table that knocks a fan into a bath at electrocute someone which Yeah, as kills go you could tell he's like impressive that john cedar shoots And it also gets the guy in the dangus, um as well At the yeah, you see a big old floopy dangus in in the movie. He's the dangus. It was yeah, it was what it was um And so to try and one up that he shoots someone without looking and it like seems to hit them like in shoulder torso And so blood sports is like non-leafy I win And then he's like exploding compression bullets And I can show the result of that just blows up And uh, yeah, he's like no one likes to show up unless what they're showing off is dopers He's right true Which by the way does feel like that if you think about what they're showing off is dopers Fuck is something that would apply to blood sport a little later at one point. Well, I think it's oh, yeah Oh, I was about to yeah that's spoilers though um And there's polka dot man's power right. Yeah. So yeah, they get Somehow they didn't I guess because there's like fucking covers on this outposty thing and they get revealed And then there's several people in there and so they're all taken off guard a little bit But polka dot man reacts the quickest and he just vaporizes the The whole thing and they fall down and yeah, you finally get to see his powers in action and uh, I'll show it on screen in a sec, but um Yeah, it's it's almost like a In a way, I feel like this is a passive sort of admittance that these two are the powerful members of the team Along with king shark while rat catcher and polka dot are kind of like less so it'll be less important But maybe that's a misconception. Who knows we'll have to see how everything turns out Um, but yeah, everyone's kind of shocked and just like yeah, that's polka dot man's powers He fires polka dots and people They melt it's it's a really interesting scene because it's very entertaining and I like to watch it But logistically it's horrible it's uh Yeah, very very interesting experience. There's two layers because there's there's good material going on with the character through Action and like what's occurring on screen there? But in terms of like the enemy placement and how the scenes put together it's it's problematic So it's it's almost like beyond probably fighting each other. Oh, yeah broken for certain um and Yeah, the the only the only thing before Sort of reaching the next part of this scene would be just um He says sorry. It's so flamboyant about his powers, which is such a bizarre thing to hear about your superpowers Sorry, it's flamboyant Yeah ratcatchers like I I think it's cool It's neat that he's like I just don't like killing people if I imagine that my mother it's easy Um, but again, it's a funny line, but it's also relevant. We will find out more so going forward Oh, yeah, and they arrive and rick flag is very fucking confused because he's actually these are the rebels of the The current coup so technically speaking they line up with us in a way Um, and you've just wiped out the entire thing because you assumed they were all hostile, which I think is a great Joke, I think it works really well and and we play off a little bit because all the characters are awkwardly like I didn't see anybody I pretended to be my mother and I killed them all. Yeah The thing for me though was that flag didn't try to contact waller It's like it just seems like I get maybe he was just trying to talk to them to like figure out what was going on But you'd imagine the first thing he'd be doing was try to reestablish communication, but So that's part of the problem is apparently they're able to know where he is, but they weren't able to talk to him And then they're able to talk to the suicide squad a little bit later If you remember waller talks to them when they're in the bus And so it's literally just convenience they it works and doesn't work at the whim of the writer It's not based on anything and it's for the sake of this scene And so that like basically all the team can get killed off so that like the leader and like three people are left Well, that's something I'm itching to fucking talk about When you're the leader of a rebel army and you're specifically Created to oppose a horrible government that's killing people She explicitly said they killed my family and that's why she wants to Buck them up And then you have this team of people rush through your base and kill what looks to be about everybody We all we see are the rebels going forward as a selection of about four or five people including her So for all we know that's just the rebel team has been wiped out And they're like, yeah, man. These guys are assholes, but uh, you know, we need your help And to me like when we were watching it we were just like I think she said I'd make a deal with the devil or something. I know make that work But like what what I just don't I don't I don't think I could swallow it I just like the idea that that'll just happen. You're like, well I guess I have to work with you guys still I think she deserved a lot more time Oh, I would argue she deserves Like the chance to pull a gun on them and rick stops her and then we have like a Quite a dramatic scene where we have to calm everything back down and you know, you need the conclusion to be This is our only shot So you're with these people or you're dead Also be like an ongoing conflict throughout the film. Yeah, we're clearly on on edge and maybe she warms up to them eventually Maybe sacrifices herself for them. Who knows? um You could do a lot more stuff with her character if you gave her that like Yeah, it was it was so absolutely quick. It was just like oh well Yeah, actually give her a character. Maybe that'd be nice. Yeah Uh, what I would do is I want to overthrow the government and I I hope to do so That's about it. Yeah Yeah In in regards to the communication thing what I would do to fix that like if like I would just slap a band-aid on that Like obviously you'd have to fix a lot more in this scene to get it to work as a whole But as far as wall and not being able to communicate I would establish that During the during the conflict on the beach his communication systems got damaged So Waller can track her but that's a separate system from the communications and he's been trying to re-establish Communications up until that point. So that's why he wasn't able to contact her and then when the team arrives There's like a spare comm unit that they can pass over and that's how they re-establish communication with waller But they never try even try to do that. It's just kind of a hole in the film Yeah, um And I think it's worth mentioning a lot of people are like in fairness What what else is she gonna do? And I'm like, I think she deserves that scene. She didn't really get it She just sort of says like, uh, yeah, I'd make a deal with the devil to take over the government. So Yeah, just react like a person Yeah, she should I I think she deserved to be furious She deserved to pull a gun on them or something and then she needed to be calmed down and explained that this is the only chance We have and we're so fucking sorry. Oh, you wouldn't get that from you should get that from rick If you're like This this is it's a character that kind of acts like spock a little bit and then she's yeah, she's pretty logical to a fault But she at the expense of coming across as like, you know a person yeah We were like a little less logic and a little bit more emotion And irrationality. Yeah It's really tough to buy what she does after you After the film tells you what it tells you they do seem to have I kind of want to have it both ways. Um, they wrote themselves to a really Really strange position Uh Yeah, and I I think it was just for I don't know. Well, it's really It's really funny. It's a really engaging scene. It's really like ignoring the logistic issues It's a crazy subversion like the camp takedown scene turns out those are those were good guys like, oh, shit You know, it's all it's all wicked, but it's like now. Can we move on quick? And it's like no, you can't you can't move on from that quick You can't you you yeah, you made your bed And you know some might say what are they to cut from the movie if they to include more time for it's like, oh gee Can't think of a few things Maybe I can think one or two things, but we'll get there. We'll get there. Um, we'll get I do I do like the exchange where she looks at them and she's like is that rat waving at me and then rick flag is like He appears to be friendly Okay Uh Once again, great rat. What uh, what what a good rat Um, yeah, and so rat then we catch up with the Established sort of villains in the debriefing Uh, we see that they've killed a whole bunch of scientists and peter capaldi is kind of pissed at them He's like you killed my team and they're like well that team was loyal to the past regime Is like who you loyal to think uh and this this Is it amused me the line but so easy as a lie He's like basically goes. What's all that shit in your face? Does it make your brain good? He goes. Yes, it makes my brain good And it's like it might be he'll call his delivery that I like so much. It's such an easy joke and it's just like Yes, it makes my brain good And so, um, I like yeah, no, I like it too and I was trying to figure out why I like and I think it's It's just how well it's delivered from him By the way, fantastic actor. It's cool to see him. Yeah in anything And it's such an absurd fucking look But he can carry it easily because he's just uh, he's quite commanding as a sort of actor anyway And so we find out there's this creature that's like a starfish And um, it apparently grows inside whenever it takes someone like To be a part of its collective where it just like it spawns little starfish and they sit on your face And um, it grows as a result of that it feeds on consciousness is what he says um So that's what's been worked on in yotenheim And uh, the thinker is willing to work for them And uh, the villain says that with this giant starfish, um, the will governments will take us seriously Which you know, um if The only thing about that that I find strange I guess is just like Imagine you're america and they're like we have a giant monster starfish So we demand to be on the world stage. Wouldn't you just be like What in the world? And like can it survive a nuke because I don't know how threatening it is compared to having nukes, you know And I can't confirm that I do not know if staro could resist a nuke You know, it's an interesting question. You know, could he resist a superman with another? Yeah, uh, I I from what I've seen in the film. I don't really Believe that it superman would have that much trouble taking out staro Especially with the laser eyes. Yeah feels like the laser eyes are good enough. Yeah Um, so yeah, that's that's that and thinker says, you know, I'm the one who knows how to work it So you can't kill me. You need me for the project and they shake hands and that's that um And the thing like this to me I'm like, okay, that was that was a lot of exposition And it was a little slow just to establish what our bad guys are up to I like that we've got the introduction just like back to might characters, please And then it cuts to meanwhile holly. It's like, okay Oh, no, okay. I guess we'll we'll hang out with holly. It's gone for a little bit. Yeah knows what we'll do You know, we could have who knows what this guy could do with this character I mean sure she's been in Basically two movies one sort of devoted to her and and those were both shit, but Third time's a charm, right? And Like I timed it just so you guys know this scene in total the holly scenes of 17 years is how long it is Um, oh my goodness. You know what? I thought it was longer. Yeah, I know I I was completely misled on that one took a while to time it. That's why this episode of efab took so long I just want to make sure I got it right um So she's trapped and she's like, what are you guys doing? Oh, this is really cringy. This is the thing I feel like the jokes are sometimes top-notch right oftentimes even Some of them i'm like scratching my head like did james gun right this joke Some she says i'm gonna kill all you cold toes Maltese whatever you mario kart racing d bags are called And i was just like oh, what is that line? That was that was uh Uh Do you think they wrote her dialogue like that to try to make it more consistent with the previous movies? Because they know that a lot of people like harley from the previous movies or I I don't know how to explain it man because i'll tell you we were You could argue in good faith mode with this like like What's what's the like like overly good faith mode with this film up to that point? And like she slayed it. We were just like, oh, yeah, whoa. They were just like what what do we what? Oh, oh Yes cringe cringe and then they when is cringe? Yeah, so then while she's tied up in this pit They throw a dress down in a bag a tube to her in the pit and they say Get dressed like by the way, so first off she's tied up. She can't do that Secondly, she's in a dirty pit. She's gonna get the dress dirty, right? She also she's all like covered in mud as well But just hard cut to the car and it's like what happened in between You see they applied the makeup to the mud Yeah, exactly you want to show her on first and then get the dress Uh thunder just said I I've seen people say that she's better in birds of prey So I'm happy to say I think she's the best in this out of the three. Um I just don't like her in any of them Like she feels stapled on to all three like they don't take the time to organically Integrate her into the film which I think is the problem with all three And so she a lot of her stuff comes off as very forced as a result There are a whopping two or three lines in this that she says that are amusing Which is way more than what we get in the other two I would argue there is about 15 maybe 20 seconds of Harley Quinn content in this movie that I like And that is 15 or 20 seconds more than the other two I don't know why they didn't just integrate her into the the second team and just have her be with them The entire movie rather than like have her basically be a subplot. She's just separated from the rest of the group Maybe that maybe that tells us a lot about what was actually happening in terms of the process of this story It's pretty clear that like Because she's got top billing but like blood sport. He's the main character. At least I think he's the main character he's like the prominent leader pov character in the story And there's a lot more going on for him than there is for her like she's really got much going on for it all I'm not even sure what like her journey was in this film Like there's a few bits and pieces that I think had potential but it's still so divorced from everything else We can try and draw it together when we've gone through a bit more But um, so for those following along with us they throw her a dress they put her in a car they start sorting out her makeup and Like as an audience member, she's like what the hell is happening? Whoa What? And I guess to sort of rush it along a little bit of just for this scene We find out that The current president the one that's taken over from the previous The people aren't a huge fan of him or at least a lot of people love him But more would if he had a wife because they they just like seeing that he would have a wife And who better than harley quinn Somebody who has taken quite the she stands up to american oppression and that is quite the symbol to have as a wife You just apparently she's really famous for that in court her maltese like the adventures of harley quinn have propagated to this foreign nation It is bizarre I I had no clue what to think when I was hearing that it's like what How does she for one how is that even true that she like fights american oppression and then it's like why Why would they know about that and like talk about lucky as well that like they didn't kill her in the Beach invasion and brought her home for it's like wow and this guy happens to be a fan of her the president He's like I know you you're the one that again. I'm pretty sure he says like you represent Uh standing at you like the fire against american oppression. It's just what the fuck are you talking about? She's just a criminal She's a crazy criminal too. Yeah, she doesn't Distinguish between like good or bad actions or for in and against or as a part of a system She's just I don't know that harley. I don't know that harley quinn has any political opinions. No Um, so yeah, just absolutely confusing and he says like part of this is because his men want him to have some form of a wife too And so it we thought we were being tricked at this point a lot of people didn't experience this seen the way we did I've seen a lot of people talk about it. It was like this was really funny and like cutesy and interesting for her So we didn't believe it was happening. You get a montage of them doing like honeymoony dating things Like having food together going on the veranda together watching the sunset playing with birds. We were confused as fuck That was where I thought it must have been fake because it's like they're playing I forget that the song and it's like It's all happy and curious. Like what is this? This is not much the tone. It's like I thought it was like a hallucination of harley's because she's like schizophrenic and she has a similar sort of Like hallucination sequence and birds of prey that comes out of nowhere as well And apparently wasn't the case here. So we were really confused by the time we got to the the end of the scene Yeah, but so and just to clarify for anybody who's listening and confused It's to tell us they've had some time together now and she's actually invested in him and he and her And he asked it to marry me. Wouldn't it I say sometimes I have no fucking clue Yeah, I think I think it is about hours says that they spent or at least the dictator guy says I think he does specify It's just a day. Well, there you go. Um, and he asked her to marry him And um, she agrees and then they have the big sex they knock over a couple of things Including a A display of several Old timey guns lots lots of guns and she they destroy the display case and they all fall to the ground After they've had the big sex he starts it's like and this is another thing that people have noticed and I completely agree Damn james, you could have tried a little harder with getting expositional dialogue out because He stands up. He looks out the window. She goes. Oh, is that yodenheim? And he goes yodenheim was used by the nazis when they were fleeing america and the war and stuff It's like what the fuck is happening? Quite the normal answer to gif It's pain. This this whole scene is pain. It's just it's a waste of time. It goes nowhere It This whole time i'm like go back to the rat. Oh, absolutely We would die in at this point. We were like, please give us bloodsport back. Like this is so unfair Why do we have to watch harley doing this weird shit? Yeah All the stuff that we've been saying about how much we love about this and how great the characters are Harley quinn is the exception. She sucks. I don't like her, but I don't think she's inconsistent or anything Yeah, I guess she's not. Yeah, I guess that's the thing. She's not inconsistent. She's always just kind of shit and empty Yeah, um, but we're about to get to what is Something, you know, you could say. Yeah, it's something Um, and you think with this amount of time they must be doing something, right? So He says He says well, uh, the the previous regime did was use yotenheim to capture and kill Political rivals as well as their family members Then she says, oh That's like awful and i'm sure that now that you've taken over you can put a stop to that And then he's like nah, i'm gonna use it to kill my political enemies and their families Including their wives and children like he's very specific And then he continues Only to turn around And get shot uh Harley has one of the guns from the floor and she says That when it comes to dating she looks out for red flags and killing children is one of them And i'm okay with that line. It's it's yeah, that line is okay God forbid this actually follows from birds of prey Yeah, she's she likes kids to a degree and this is what i mean We almost have a question mark about that because i just know fuck all about harley quinn Like Much about her at all after two movies Meanwhile, if he said i kill children in front of someone like peacemaker It would be the context in which he's talking about and then that would regard how he'd respond But if it's bloodsport bloodsport's probably gonna take an issue with it no matter what Like we know these people already Meanwhile, like harley quinn's had two movies and i have no idea like i'm just like oh she yeah She's she's very much not okay with that. Yeah, that that seems to fit. Okay You know either way to go because craziness is just her trade basically Yeah, that's a big part of the problem. Um And so I mean i want to jump ahead to this part and we'll go back again But just like she points out that it's a fucking crazy thing that the gun was loaded It's like yeah Yeah, that is kind of wild that is weird Really crazy that he has loaded guns on a display, but all right Um, yeah, then she gets uh recaptured, but Uh, she spends the scene trying to explain why she's killed him and she at one point gets to saying that um There are men in her life that she'll date that when you just leave them That won't be it and they'll they'll come back and they'll like burn your possessions kill your pets and uh Leave you in pieces after enough time and she starts to tear up and you're like oh Okay, this is something this this is something and I kind of this is the part that I like it's a shame. It took us seven hours to get here And we wasted the whole scene and we had to have this big exposition dump It was it was slow and clunk the whole way, but at least we got to something um The issue was that you might as well just get rid of the whole scene because they don't really ever do anything with this Um, it's like it's an isolation You know, I was I said to the rest of the crew after we watched this that it felt like Halfway through production James Gunn was told that Harley Quinn needed to be in the movie And she needed to be in for like 25 minutes or whatever That's how it feels. That's not the case, but that's how it feels Because Harley Quinn has and we'll get to the other one later In particular two Long sections that are really just devoted to her and her alone In ways that don't really help the plot out at all. Yeah, we don't gain a lot of character from it. We gain some Yeah, we get tiny tiny little shadows of an idea, but It that's the feeling that you get and I'm already seen in chat that apparently James Gunn said he was most excited to write about Harley And I'm just gonna be honest. He gun he fucking failed with Harley. I think so he more failed than succeeded earlier. Yeah, she uh Yeah If I could redo this movie that would be the Number one thing I would change character wise is just like get rid of her. Don't even have her be here Another problem is there's no one for her to bounce back off of like there's There's no other supporting character that she's like captured with or something like that that you could use to like have some Yeah, she often says queen. She'll say something weird and then other characters will sort of just be like Pretty much the only Thing that the scene has going for it is that she's working off of this guy and not Jared Leto Yeah, yeah, this guy's like a normal guy Not like that fucking crazy person, I guess Congratulations James Gunn you you hit the bare minimum. Well, yeah, because he said he He said there was like reasons for why he didn't have Jared Leto in this film, right? But like we all know the actual reason which is just he's a fucking Disaster and you don't even want to try and fix him. She's like, I'll just I'll just use other characters It's fine. Here's the thing everyone recognizes that Jared Leto is shit as Joker Even in the Zack Snyder Justice League where those people are weird But so is Harley But she gets just this pass. I don't think she's as bad as he is, but I agree. Yes, but I guess she feels like So maybe she's a mega cringe and I hate Harley Quinn and I never want to see her ever again I hope she dies and apparently he had the option to kill her off He mistakenly kept her alive could have spit Can I save this James? Honestly, I wish that she had been killed off on ceremoniously I remember when the movie ended and I was just like, oh man, it could have been nice if She bit the bullet Margot Robbie's a billion times better than Leto no Not it not in these roles um I mean, can you really what what is a zero times a billion? like No, I get it, but So anyway, we then cut to another awkward scene where The general is now the president and it's implied. I don't think it's explicit in any way that It could have been that they wanted Harley to be with him so she would kill him So that he could take over But I think there's equal amounts to sort of interpret that this is just something that's happened and they're gonna move on from it but he fucking Boons down the bird sanctuary Yeah, just to show he's You could have just opened it and let them go, but Makes you evil I am It's something like I think I think that I made a comment on it as we were watching it was like This feels like the kind of thing that Zach Snyder would write a villain to do It's just it feels edgy for the sake of being edgy. It's just gratuitous It feels like it's for the the lizard brains out there who are like, is he he's bad guy? Hey bad guy bad guy everybody. He'd be like, yeah He burns birds definitely bad It's like yeah, we've established. He's bad And yeah, and so he's aware that there are other americans potentially and he's gonna torture that information out of Harley Hopefully and then a miracle happens. We cut back to the suicide squad Oh And it's literally polka dot man falling to the ground and smudging the chapter name As he's getting covered in his polka dots again, and we have Of course, it's it's only gonna go for so long It just to me it just seems like the kind of way you do it where it's it's like we get to the point Was it's getting getting a bit much? It's like we're gonna have to address this you keep erupting It's like what's what's going on And oh, yeah, and I think that it's it's a neat In a way just tells you a little bit more about bloodsport that she she says like we can't keep slowing down because polka dots falling over and rat catches sleepy The the rebel leader is like if we're gonna be able to you know Save my people or help my people we gotta do it and blood sports like we're not doing this for your people Just cuts her off. Just like Harsh but like making it clear. You're not team leader. I am like oh But I just I like it um So a lot of them are like getting a little bit confused and um, I think it's a peacemaker who doesn't Like let him continue because he's like is that shit contagious? And um He has what I think is a fucking great line Uh where he's like explain what it is. He's like it's an inter-dimensional inter-dimensional virus And then there's just a gap and then johnson just goes the fuck is that? Yeah Um And yeah, so he explains that he is one of many kids in his family They were all experimented on by their mum in the hopes of creating a superhero and of course it went very wrong and uh Some lived some died and he ended up the way that he is and if he doesn't vomit out his um his polka dots twice a day He will uh, I think he says they'll consume him Something like that. Yeah from the inside out. Yeah, sounds that sounds like a really horrible fate for a guy that's uh, you know Then they set some really serious childhood trauma. Uh, I really hope that they explore this in a In a serious manner You can so we can talk about that if they played it off this joke Thinking about it. It's gonna be over in a second. So the uh He explains all that and then um I think ratcatcher says, uh, so where's your mum now? And then he looks up and he's like, I see her everywhere Or like see her right now something like that and this will be the I'll put the image on screen um So I Yeah, like I think it's fucking hilarious and I love How much all of them are the people that you know, you can tell whoever it is basically is where I'm going with that Like king shark Especially where he starts going for the little fly Yeah, king shark and peacemaker by far the funniest looking of a bunch Um, but I'm assuming with what southpaw just said I'm assuming you're not a fan of the undercutting of his story with this Yeah So this is why playing the same joke. They keep like using this Hold your horses the second. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I use it keep reusing the same joke. What are you referring to? I'm referring to the whole mom's thing. I feel like they How many times did I do it? No, not not that it's the the repetitions the problem It's that like it is a serious thing like this is funny But at the same time like it it punctuates what he's talking about with like the story with his mom But they don't really do much else past that Or at least in terms of dialogue. Maybe More material. I don't I don't know Well, so this thing I'm I'm ready to Uh battle this one. So I want to I want to hear some points So like what are we what are we dealing with with polka dot man in terms of is this a problem? Or is this a preference that you don't hold? Uh for me for me, man, either you also have for really Um, I don't what what's your takes up? I would say you you mentioned it a little bit before What's what's your issue? Well, they're currently going for a more comedic Uh Bent with this and it it works as far as like being funny. Um, it just It kind of reminded me of Thor an end game where it seems like his trauma is being played off You know as a joke as opposed to That's that's where I would disagree on that because it's in end game. It's like We are constantly just like ha ha You're fat and depressed. Ha, isn't that funny? You're eating cheetos. Oh, you want to save the world you fat prick and that's like What are we doing here? You know, it's like what's going on? Like why are we Why are we just making fun of him? Whereas here it's like this is really funny But are we laughing at him because of this? Are we laughing at this image because it's hilarious? Like does that mean that we're laughing at his trauma or laughing at his suffering? I guess we're laughing at his seriously like we're laughing at his perception of things kind of which Yeah, which I think is it's it's a really funny perspective, but I don't think that that necessarily undercuts The fact that like like it's not we're not we're not laughing We are laughing at an image that is really funny, but we're not laughing at his expense or at least I don't feel like that's what's happening Yeah, I would agree with that. I was never laughing at the fact that he was traumatized I thought that part was always quite tragic, but I think I think that that makes sense It's worth mentioning Go ahead that seeing Someone who means everything to you trauma wise in your life in different places That can be portrayed in quite in fact that comes up in tasm too, right? He sees the chief Where he's dead and stuff that way is much more serious and it's going to be led into in terms of Stuff, but I want to clarify something because well chat keeps on saying that I said it's the same thing as Thor I said it reminds me of Thor from endgame So I actually wanted to talk about that as well. Um, don't don't worry. We'll we'll we'll all make it all clear This is an important discussion. I think it's quite interesting. So Having it be that it's like I see her in everyone and it's set up to be like Oh god, it's gonna be like a haunting thing where she's like you could see her face through like some some trees or you could But it's like no literal He sees her as every character and then we get to it like appreciate that he literally like transforms them in his view From what we know to be these characters and that's absurd and of course it's hilarious to us because we're not Um, we've not got the history that he has and so it's gonna be um compared to Thor for example, which We have like how many movies to support it and I would say that it's one of the most important moments in endgame Where he's standing up to say the main character I will essentially kill myself so that we can get these people back because I failed to save them and then you have fucking piece of shit war machine saying yeah, but you're fat And like it's meant to be funny. Yeah It's supposed to be funny that he's fat and a loser and he can't save his friends Which is a weird decision to make when this is the one of the main characters of this story Like yeah hogan old man. Isn't the main character. He's a supporting character, but Thor is one of the main characters and also like there's just a ton more, uh, I guess Weight to Thor's trauma. That's I guess a little bit more fresh No Build up to it and and so for them to undercut all of All of that all that like that huge payoff from infinity war and you think that they're going to Explore that in an interesting way and endgame and they just refuse to do it So people like he didn't say that it's like, okay So that's the point of the what he says is I've got like strength coursing through my veins or something And then war machine says more like cheese whiz Like the the point being you're fat. You eat lots of food. You're fat Which is just yeah, and they're talking about who's gonna die to save the world and War machine feels the need to tell people that Thor is fat. It's like thanks Yeah, and I think it's important to remember that Like this is a visual gag versus the character actively and almost maliciously making fun of this really serious not only like trauma, but also physical condition that that Thor has So it's um, there is a difference in execution Definitely different in execution for sure. It's it's because I mentioned someone I saw someone in the chat mentioned gallows humor It's like well, do we want to commit to the position that like you can't make fun of something that you're still You know, well if they want more I would say is out of it's out of character for machine to have said that there Absolutely. Yes. Well machine road is a really good person. Uh, he's not looking to make a fucking joke to score points in the middle of discussing Who's gonna die He barely does that at all in those early mcu movies. It's only endgame that really makes him a joke person He becomes the jester in that movie. He's making and a lot of the jokes are funny that one isn't Um, and and this is the thing that the part that feels awkward to discuss it If if someone was to make the point like yeah, but you can't take polka dot man seriously You can't feel for his trauma or something. It's like so I did Which means That's word and impasse I did and you didn't uh, so I guess that's it Yeah, um, he is quite the tragic character. He's going through all kinds of shit And I just don't think it conflicts with anything to note that this Without his context and history being your own You can find this amusing that she turns up and she will morph into the person that she is And like she has these huge thighs. She looks very much like a classic sort of mother in some ways like More so usually a villainous mother um Yeah, so Yeah, it's it's funny, but it's still like when you think about us like man, this is like what a what a tortured existence you have Yeah, in a way, I'm almost laughing because it's almost like a relatable kind of Thing where you know if you do have like a traumatic figure in your life You're almost subconsciously looking out for them everywhere and you kind of just you know You take the smallest like physical connections between uh different people out in public You just go oh fuck is it that person? Oh fuck is it that person? And then there's a quick realization of no no no You're just being a paranoid lunatic and that's kind of reflected in in the way This joke is who in a way that makes me feel for his tragedy even more through the humor while with Thor I felt it undercut uh the tragedy Yeah, people are offended that I said she's like a classic mom I bet like just there's loads of archetypes for mums like this come on Like you know the people like maybe a british mom It's like no like there's all kinds of mums this one totally you could see playing the mother in lots of things um Because some people are saying like maybe classic evil mums like You're not evil because you're fat like like I Said I think it's amusing. I think it's it it definitely listed a lot of like, you know, chuckles out of me I also just kind of felt conflicting feelings about it Yeah, no, I understand. Oh, I It's kind of the same here. I just I never had an issue want to laugh at him I had more it and this is right after a scene where we see a bunch of essentially Going to quote good freedom fighters just get killed horribly and it's kind of played as a joke Yeah, which is arguably way worse. It is It is way worse. Um So That would have been um, I yeah, I Next to that. I don't think it Even comes close to We're keeping in mind that in universe none of these characters are making fun of him, of course They're all just like a little bit stunned by the story and just gonna move on Oh my goodness Oh my grief Oh my god Good job on you radon King frog God rags you have you what happened, man, I've been working out but mostly it's mostly it's the myth I was bulging out too A little box to block out the Freaky looks like it could be a blood board in a way rags does too actually I keep thinking about you for me a boss christmas Christmas what about christmas? I like how The grinch. Oh, right. Yeah, sorry. I didn't hear that. Yeah, that's the kind of thing Also just kind of on the subject of the mum I just want to compliment the actress because she's very she's on the in it very briefly But just in this one shot you can tell she's kind of taking on the physical mannerism to the person in that scene And I'm just like, you know, you're what what little you were giving you You were really able to kind of get like rick flags stiff up a lip and I kind of John Cena's glare and rat catch is kind of like Good Yeah Just do you see outwards into space the king shot dots from the the butterfly to polka dot butterfly polka dot Then commits to the butterfly Yep Buddy And yeah, so Their mission as it stands right now is to have some help from the rebels To get access to the thinker And so the nature of that is they need a driver to help them with knowing how the city works And so introducing Milton One of the stronger characters of the film as well, I would say The definitely. Yeah, Milton's been through a lot. Milton's a legend. I fucking love this scene just as a joke You have Milton is in his car and he knows he's supposed to be meeting with the squad anytime now and so He's at like a vehicle check And he's trying to delay them as much as possible. And so he's just like, oh man, you know, oh, let me get my papers Ah, shit. Where's my oh no, I don't I don't know. I don't know And then they get more and more restless until they start shaking the car and then boom boom boom boom They're all getting shot down Until there's one guy who gets fucking eaten by a kick shock just blood splatters everywhere And then the cabra pads over to bloods for being like, are you billing and then he just goes See He's uh, it's a very traumatic scene. He's gone through a lot already, but um, yeah Yeah, the idea will be that they use the truck to get into the town They'll go into more civilian clothing. Thanks to the rebel supplying that and then Get into the bar that the thinker frequency kidnap him And hopefully all of that goes well And we're getting closer and closer. We're not quite there yet to a particular scene I know a lot of us can have so much to say on uh They're all they're all setting up and they're still just banter. There's general banter and carriage stuff as they're putting the clothes into the uh, the van One of the things to like is just king shark saying he can use a disguise by having a fake mustache and A mustache and like they tell him it's not Not gonna work and as much as they like it to Yeah, um It's like he won't be able to and his reaction is probably the most aggressive ever see it He just goes fuck Like just walk it off because it means he can't he can't do anything with him. Yeah, he's angry. Yeah, he can't he can't do the Understandably sorry, you know Yeah, no This for me, which I just want to make sure we we point these little bits out so that when we get to talking about these characters individually this We want to make sure you've picked up all the stuff there is to work with um They both laugh, uh blood sport and rat catcher At him being so frustrated He can't hang out like and looking at each other and then The rat is there and he's like I think looking for another sort of wave or hand shaking stuff And she's like He senses the good in you And blood sport say there's no good in me and just shuts the door. I'm just like, all right They had a little moment of connecting so he's he's he's shut her out again. It's like, okay Um, and while this is happening, uh rick flag says You know when we get to yotenheim, we're gonna be drawing a lot of the military forces He's like, well, yeah, hopefully you don't and what she doesn't realize is he's like no no If we draw them The main sort of place where all the leaders are is probably not going to be guarded as well And she just says you're a good man rick or something like that like you don't have to uh Be given it spelled out. He's basically just like trying to help the rebel armies cause while also doing his suicide squad job Yeah, we didn't get james gun crazy exposition about Plans and things. Yeah the character Stuff there you have to dig a little bit. It's not explicitly obvious exactly what's happening here It's just like rick is doing a little bit extra to help people that he doesn't have to help Um, especially after everything has happened And uh, unfortunately, this will be a plus negative in a sense I was like, huh How come it's 55 minutes until I've been given something about rick that I really like Like yeah, like you know because he's still a little little just he's just rick But but that was the first thing where I was like Harley Quinn. Yeah, that's the thing man I was just like I like that and it's like Okay, you know I'm still fine with rick flag being here, but I was just like that was that was nice Then We cut to the bus scene Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I have to pee. I'm so excited. Oh my god. Oh, no Uh going everywhere. I guess we'll just delay a little bit until rick comes back but um The idea being is they're on their way to their destination. That's all That's right. They're going into the city to this really cool location for a superhero story. I really like the setting It's neat. Why do you like it for me explain it in an essay? Oh, wow, but I got nothing beyond I just think it's in need of 3000 words or less. Yes, and it's tropical Central american like beautiful architecture Yeah, the architecture is is really great It's uh Reminds you of like this sort of the look of like cuba and stuff like that. It's cool. I just like it. That's all Those might know it's please write more Mm-hmm exposition scene more oh Oh, you know We might we might need to make clear with everybody technically A shit ton of things are exposition and it can be done. Well or done poorly As far as I'm concerned being like look out the window. It's yotunheim nazis used to be like that was awful Let's talk about this scene extensively. Shall we? It opens with talking to waller. I think well, I'm gonna mix things around just a little bit I want to get that out of the way first. Uh waller just reminds everybody that just because the comms are down Uh, which they're about to be further down. I guess it doesn't mean the kill switches aren't working And you still got to do everything that I say and then when she ends the call her analyst person is like um Are you serious about like killing his kid and stuff? Would you really do that and then she says you don't know half of what I would do And I was like, you know what in a way that feels like a reference to the first movie It especially if you don't know her from the comics. It's like, yeah, she's fucking insane She'll kill everybody in this room. You like she's she's nuts um So everyone sort of settles down and we get a question that is perfectly reasonable for a person who's essentially the queen of rats Blood sport. Why don't you like rats? It was a weird thing that you just don't like rat and then he's like Defensive about it. Absolutely because we've already know that So he has this little moment where he's like, you know what? You seem like someone who has daddy issues And she gets noticeably offended instantly and the camera's still on his face And you can tell he regrets saying it almost instantly He's like, oh shit because the thing is he deals with assholes all the time. I imagine And so that's like a tiny bob Nice Exactly He's asking an honest question and he shout on her and then he was like probably shouldn't have done that and the thing is With how quickly he responded to king shark almost eating here There's reason to believe that he he absolutely does like think this person is a okay if if not, you know Like like someone he likes more than the rest But at the same time he's not looking to make any relationships And so that's why he says that and he's like, uh, probably shouldn't have said that but it prompts her to start talking about it, father Well, also, um, I just wanted to point out like he, uh, he's introduced to her Uh, like very briefly after he has that Confrontation with his daughter that sets up his concern for her, you know going to prison And here he sees this woman who you know, uh, had a father that made this Um device that controls rats basically and now she You know has kind of fallen into a life of crime And I think that he Sees a little bit of his daughter in her Uh, which explains his attachment to her from the beginning of the film Yeah, I would I would push that even further. She says her story is that of her father's gone He uses what she's known as a result of her father and it puts her in jail when she's not She goes away for armed robbery when she had rats Um, yeah, the idea of she's getting a way harsher punishment For something that she really shouldn't be is like one to one with his daughter um, and so Yeah, the um the story is essentially that her dad Uh was clearly into drugs While simultaneously he was a drug addict. Yes. Yes. Um She describes that as his burdens which can obviously mean he used them to offset something or it's just something of a general addiction but um He also created technology that can manipulate rats. Um And so those two lived Like on the streets, but the rats would help them out with different trinkets and do dads here and there and as she says keep them warm at nights, but unfortunately he overdoses and uh, He's left alone with with what she has and she ends up in prison. That's Uh, the the point of the story being that her dad always loved her. It's just You know unfortunate events sort of thing Um And even uh peacemaker what he's listening to the story is like he looks sad Just um Everyone's appreciating sort of like the circumstances suck and it prompts the question again of the rats The bloodsport and this time he's not going to be defensive because she's genuine. She's not trying to poke at him or anything And so he explains that uh There would be times where if he failed tasks when he was younger His dad would punish him and I I appreciate the cut to peacemaker smiling when he says that true task master Oh, yeah, because uh, you could imagine with a soldier's upbringing how principled peacemaker is he probably thinks that it's Totally on board to Do certain things to kids who misbehave. I doubt he's cool with locking them in boxes with hungry rats is what a Bloodsport's dad did to it only for liberty Only for liberty Yeah, and what I kind of appreciate about that is that um, His immediate response when he when he's asked why do you hate rats is to deflect with you have daddy issues And the cool thing about that is that that's not him actually making an assumption about her That's him projecting his existent daddy issues Under her because there is that association with rats and that also reflects on his issues with being a father because his daddy issues Kind of spiral back into his daughter And I think You know, there's an implication that he does not want to be a father because of what his father did to him And he does not want to then put that another child through that experience even if unintentionally Yeah, he misfires on her with that and um It after like he gets that part of his story out and she says In relation to her father How strong their relationship was and how unfortunate it was and she finishes with saying Um, I wish I could give that love to you like the father's love for a kid to you and it's cool because You could argue there's a break in the dialogue in terms of his response doesn't make complete sense But it totally does subjection subtextually. He just immediately says back. I'm gonna get you out of here Like it's it's his that's what he has to say about what she's just said Even though like I said standard like on written that doesn't really make sense as a response But that's how he feels Then she says i'm gonna get you out of here And uh, oh bloodsport wipes away a tear like damn That was like two minutes And you you've made it so that these two are like better characters than everybody in the fcu Uh dcu at least post phase four and phase four And you know what it didn't undercut with a silly joke right at the end. Nope. Nope. That was yeah I was that was a concern I had for this whole scene is like We were waiting with baited breath like please don't do the mcu thing Please don't do the mcu thing and they didn't and it was really impressive to to all of us And we were just we were all just really invested and hooked into the scene. Um, that's a uh, like What silence investment? Um moment for the efab movies. Yeah Yeah, it happens here and there. Um, and I was I was exceptionally happy with this because um, it just bonds them now He's he's basically after that story and how genuine she is And how he sees his daughter in it and pretty much would like to protect her at this point So there's not much he's not gonna do for it now more than likely um And that's uh, that's only them two in this bus scene There is a really good shot of we see a lot of just people doing perfectly normal things And then it cuts to king shock is just staring at the mole because the the truck goes down Yeah, obviously being the King shock can't be like normal people Um, yeah And oh, um I just wanted to say like I think that the bus scene that was basically the the point where we're like So this uh, this shit's all over everything else that we've seen in the dcu as far Yeah, I think we said no matter what the second half of this film is it's better than everything in the dcu Yeah, that one has something of merit has a scene of quality to it as carrot I I encountered someone i'm i'm in a server that said that they prefer the first suicide squad Because at least that was funny bad and I will never understand that comment. That is bizarre That is bizarre and that person is strange But this one is funny and less bad It's almost a given so I do want to mention it Excellent acting from both rat catcher 2 and blood sport. I should really use their actual actor names for that compliment, but She's very likable and approachable and understandable and he has got this uh, this this vibe about him that just seems really I don't know. It's hard to it's hard to pin it down He is everything that I think they wanted to do with In the dead shot in the first one Which just failed miserably. Yeah. Yeah, um He really is just the Obvious superior version of that kind of idea that's been given time to Breathe and be explained and been given a really good actor to make it happen I don't know how to pronounce Uh rat catcher 2's actress's Last name it seems to be daniella melchior Melchior We'll go with either Yeah Yeah, I this is the first thing I've seen her in and she's uh, she's great. I want to see more of her in uh, yeah The first english language film it is. Yeah. Oh, I'm very impressed in that case. Wow Yeah, that is very impressive because she was great. She sneaks up on you because As far as you can tell at first, she's just gonna be the the nice one. She's the friendly one Then like his story in the bus scene. You just like This is just a fully fledged character She's a really important part of the film. Yeah um and so They arrive at the bar and um, they've got a little bit of uh time to kill obviously waiting for thinker to arrive And so they sit down to have some drinks and we get something. Well, we get a couple of things that I quite love First being that like blood sports like zero drinks. No, no, no But then peacemakers like oh come on like have some fun And it's almost like a you might be like you might not expect peacemaker to be the one to suggest that But in some ways you're like, I guess it kind of makes sense too Like of course this guy's gonna be able to have fun Like it's it's not like uh in the search for peace that you would be Against alcohol or anything. It's like no, that's probably something he's more than five to be on board with And he says like oh come on a little alcohol never hit anybody I'm fucking polka dot man. It's just like it causes 22,000 deaths And yeah, and a part that's really fucking endearing for peacekeeper peacemaker is that uh, they all get drinks and Oh, yeah And the the the maid is walking away or the hostess whatever. Um, and he's like, hey, I didn't get one for the rat Yeah Yeah, and she gives a little fist bump to um peacemaker Ratcatcher does just like yeah, and he smiles at it which Important going forward I would say Discussions to be had but they're all having loads of fun There's a visual But I think I only caught on the second and third times watching this. Um, they cut to Rick flag and blood sport Laughing with each other for a good amount of time and sort of putting their hands on each other's shoulders sort of thing And you're like, yeah, because they work together in in the army or whatever They went on missions together And uh rick flag recommended him for his skill. So of course those two are buds Like there's no reason that they would hate each other or anything um And I think that's that's just a good little thing to sort of pin as well um So yeah, it's it's just again a scene to just see them sort of mingling and um Even get john senor and polka dot man everyone everyone's dancing everyone's just having some fun Pokemon man's dancing is you go ahead what? Well, sorry, I just want to say they're they're all really selling this because This cast has just amazing chemistry with each other. Yeah, they do Um, and you just you're sort of in it for them. You start to forget like, what are we doing as starfish or something? I don't it's fine. I'll just watch these guys do stuff Um, and yeah, the people that polka dot man is dancing with slowly morph into all of them are his mom and um The poor guy. Yeah, there it is. I was going to say I can tell you There you go, uh Horrifying I just love king sharp so much whatever. Oh, well, yeah So I was going to say this is all happening and it's quite the juxtaposition because um, we're sort of just mingling everything's chill And then it cuts to the the truck where of course king sharp will have to wait because he can't do any of this with any of them And the guy is so sad Yeah Just has to sit here And if I remember correctly, he used to wait there for like three hours or something Iraq got to go but he didn't get to go You know, he's upset I'm glad that they remember that you have king shark in the back all alone out here while everyone else is having fun And they just remember to acknowledge that Yeah, um, you sympathize with them a lot Yeah, um, again with just popping a little thumbtack into and we'll Think about all this in sort of retrospect when we get along but um Think arrives which sets everybody to get moving Um, unfortunately because the plot line is phenomenal in this it coincides Exactly at the same time as a police search Damn it So now we're gonna have to get him out the back way I mean, I might be skipping over some things here. I'm feel with free to stop me. Um Well, the whole ids thing that's what I love is that they're like everyone shows your ids And it's like you can't just see it like it's not that big of a bar and they're they have men everywhere Um Well, it's there's a lot of things that don't really make sense about any of this But funnily enough, I have the same argument here that I do for almost all of the film I think the plot is garbage, but almost everybody's doing what I think they should be As characters and what I mean specifically about that is um You have the characters acknowledge that people are getting beaten to get their ids And so um blood sport From my point of view, he decides we're not probably gonna get out of here. So let's Give up now so they can take us and so you don't have to watch people getting beaten to find us Cut to the chase and rick rick flag spots that he's like, yeah me too And peacemaker is the one that's like the fuck no Why am I gonna why am I gonna be oh fuck's sake? I'm going with you too. Um Well think it goes out the back way now the gods very intelligently when you know controlling this place They sent like 15 people to the front and one guy to the back just to make sure no one comes out Unfortunately This man is very bad with a gun And so when he sees people he fumbles for a while until Like I know it sounds bizarre, but like what if like a rat jumped onto him. I'll just be gg Wouldn't be able to stop anybody climb me into his mouth. Yeah And so can't do anything about that To stop with the confusion basically, um They send thinker through the back with rat catcher and polka dot man who get to the van And there's only one guy in the way of them and he just gets knocked out straight away by a rat It's it's really fucking dumb And the three of our heroes get put into a van Yeah Yeah, all the parts are there for them to make their escape the way they chose to do it was really bad All you had to do was have polka dot man sort of you know, take a lookout spot There's like three soldiers just waiting He activates a device and you hear noises on the other end of the door Then you open it up and they're all down or something like that. You're like, right, let's go It's just anything that's not you walk up to the guy with the gun You're a meter away from him and you pull out your fucking machine and then he just goes down straight It's just oh so it's done so quickly and so sort of without any care Um Yeah, and yeah this whole scene there's so many conveniences. There's also boobies Oh They're pretty not they're pretty good. It's um it'll get old right there Definitely keepers and uh as they're moving through I think uh because they're worried and they're not sure what to do I think thinker is like Clearly you are not the alphas of this group and then she cuts them off. It says, uh Do I cover with what the light is exactly something like do you want a rat to be shoved up your ass or crawling up your ass or something? And then his response is like, I don't think you'll Uh expect my oh fuck. I cover what he says, but uh a lot of people. It's like a lot of people's favorite line from him He says like my response might not be what you expect My my ass might not be what you expect or something Answer it's yeah It's fun. Um an unexpected Then we get some more plot unfortunately, so They're in the back of this like armored vehicle and they're all tied up. Oh, yeah It's like what what else is there to say they all head, but the people with them and they're all dead Yeah, it's so bad You didn't try at all like they're just they're in the it gets worse as it goes on because like yeah They talk about like a The one hit death one one dead hit right chioshi jitsu it is a uh I think that I believe a character in an episode of batman the animated series Studies for an episode to try to use on batman to like kill him with a single strike It's the dim mark um And so they're like he's like you you can't do it consistently is what the guard says And then I think blood sport is like yeah amateurs think that and then uh rick flag says on one I think and peacemaker says one and then they all do like a move and all the guards are dead Um the guards and they were they were knocked out from the hit Either way, it's oh, it's more reasonable to go with them being knocked out. Yeah But I thought the fact that they were talking about the death hit was that they're saying that they're gonna be dead I don't know that's the thing. I I don't know what they're really going for with that I Like I could be fine with the idea that Like peacemaker I keep wanting to say peacekeeper But peacemaker I can I can believe that he can knock a guy out in one because he's a big strong ass dude Yeah, I can believe he can knock a guy out and I could probably believe bloodshot could um but Blood sport I fuck it. I'm doing the thing I've been doing it too. It's hard with somebody somebody hero names somebody villain days I didn't even felt the need to correct you. It's like, yeah, that's right We know what you're talking about. Yeah, but like with flag it was starting to get uh, we could have done something more clever I especially with how much they focused on the cigarette in that scene I was expecting something like he was gonna spit it with his Well, I don't know like what was I was I guess I was expecting something clever And that didn't happen. No, they just That the tie-up they do a move and it's it's even more frustrating because The people in the front have a camera on this room and they only notice something's happening when john scene is about to kill them And so it's too late Which is insane. They should see it immediately. They should have heard it Oh, also that shotgun blast. It like makes like a clean hole that john scene could just like fit it in higher Yeah, I know we were watching that. I was like no Isn't it like almost a perfect circle too? It's like someone took a laser weapon and melted a hole through it Yeah shotguns don't work that way. Sorry, hollywood Someone said he's driving really Like he's not gonna notice anything because he's driving. This is his whole fucking job. He's got a he's got a passenger I don't know people in the front. I don't know what you're talking about mauler I'm always oblivious to people in the back seat of my car getting kicked as I'm driving. Was there a was there I I will I'll defend it a little bit I think that the since it's like a prisoner transport There's going to be a sturdy wall between the drivers and the the back area Isn't there like a like a thick glass window or like there's a wall there that he has to blast through silly as that is Well, I'm not yeah, I'm not basing the whole argument and he would have heard it I'm I'm still on the point of the visuals. He would have recognized. Anyway, this screen is pretty high def considering Like you're not missing that. Yeah, that's pretty enough. Yeah, the sound is Especially if there's sound on that fucking thing. Holy shit then and then they're done I would see the the the movement just on your peripherals like why so so much movement Yeah, you see the black and white colors are moving more than they should be. Yeah, you're right. Yeah Um, so he shoots one of them and that guy Fall slips down into his seat and falls onto the gas So this car's going full speed now and then John Cena puts his arm through the hole and Rams the guy up into the like the ceiling of the of the car Uh roof rather and and until his head is basically just like mush And then the car keeps going until it smacks into like a big truck thing and then they barrel roll all the way down I'm a hill And uh, then they get out on yeah, like all of them are human. None of them have seat belts This whole scene is ass. It's just it's just terrible It is ass. This is one of those things where you it didn't have to be ass, but It was ass Now is there an action sequence that has happened yet that we've that we've talked about That is like logistically speaking good because there's character stuff for the clearing of the camp scene But i'm pretty sure that there hasn't been any like actually like amazing Choreography of an action sequence so far, right? I mean i'm Did we say at the beginning when we were like, I don't think there is one beach A little bit in the beach now the beach doesn't like they're all entertaining, but none of them work Yeah, they're entertaining. Yeah, yeah logistically. I'm pretty sure every single one of them We'll have comments for every one of them. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, unfortunately some especially this next one, right? Well, oh, yeah, we may yeah, we may as well just keep it going So they're like right off to yotenheim and then rick flag is like well No, because we just found out from those police officers in that truck just now Which almost feels like the whole reason this happened that harley's still alive and we got to go get it Um And we I think it's gonna be an eave. Have we have to go in harley? We were like no Because well, you can clearly I think a bloodsport even says that it's uh rick flag wants this And there's no point in trying to argue with him when he wants something this much He says something like there's no point in pulling the rag out of his mouth or something. I don't know if that's a phrase Because apparently like they they consider he considers like harley a friend. It's like so that happened This is the thing we have the thinnest of fucking references for rick flag and harley being friends And I think that was a missed opportunity in this film to not give them more Before things happen Um one of them being we're gonna decide to subvert the whole mission to go get harley quinn It's like this this is because rick flag is invested in her as a friend. You're like, okay It has nothing to do with information that she has or that like there were like her tracker slash like detonator doesn't work Like they couldn't kill her so they need to get her out to make sure that she doesn't spill anything That's it's nothing like that. It's completely. We need to get her because we care about her and it's like And that's the thing like I can believe it if these two were incredibly good friends that he would be like Guys, I'm gonna go get her. You don't have to come with me But I'd really appreciate it and you can have you can have the sort of back and forth But um, I don't believe they have that connection at all Yeah, I don't yeah, um, but the film I wish they let her died Sorry I wish they let her die. Oh, I mean, yeah I guess that's a spoiler for anybody who didn't know I think it would be funnier It would be funnier, right? If uh, they just didn't go to rescue her and then Maybe she gets out on her own and then she meets up with them later And they're just kind of confused because they they just kind of like left her for dead because the mission is more important than Going on this uh diversion to to rescue harley And so there's there might be like an awkward moment there What if what if the line was that she was like you chose the mission over me? I guess and then you could be like we weren't going to save you anyway That could it could have been really funny. Um, there's there's a lot of stuff that they could have done there Yeah, yeah, and to them. Yeah Yeah, it's a good thing that they ended up rescuing her anyways, right? It was a it was very important for them to Do this little detour that you could consider out of character for them Oh, and someone's just suggested in channel I think you could have this as a solution so the guards in the in the van could have said Um, I don't know what you guys are doing here, but believe me You'll give it up eventually just like your friend or something that would be like, oh wait, we're who we're like harley She may have she's she's holding tight for now It's surprised how much that woman can take but She's gonna give up the plan eventually and they could both like they could look around be like we have to get it because She's gonna give away everything better That's way better. Yeah, but at which point that's where you're like Why doesn't waller just push the button and kill her so that she doesn't well They don't have contact with waller at this point, which is stupid. Yeah. No, you're right. That's the thing We would want to redesign it so it makes sense instead of being built on bullshit um So anyway, we we don't get a 17 year long scene. It's more like a 12 year long scene But it's categorically worse than the other one we had the other one was a little boring and annoying this one Oh Which when he snaps that guy's neck and he's literally on his phone facing away from her I was like, what the hell am I watching? Oh, it's so Do you want to like rewind through the scene so that we can just Well, yeah, it's one quick thing. I want to say is When she opens her eyes, do you remember us at the fucking recording? We're all like, no, no, no She's gonna do something It's amazing because he decides to uh to stand right next to her Instead of maybe like a few feet away out of her legs reach and then while she's Doing her little jujitsu hold on on him She is able to lift him up off the ground Somehow, yep, which I don't buy I would break your wrist even if you imagine The strain on her wrists from the chain to be able to lift that much weight. Oh Gonna hurt Now believe it or not, this is actually the best part of this entire scene because it just gets worse Well, you're correct in the uh the way she if we accept all the stuff that just happened Here grabbing the key off him and using it. Is this something that she apparently did? Like yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah, I was but that is and if you remember I think in the recording It was brought up as a potential issue But I think I think me and rag said like oh, I can believe that like I'm pretty sure I've seen someone do that before Oh Yeah, yeah Well, yeah, that's the like that's the thing with Harley Quinn If you're we're still kind of baffled as to what her power is other than incredible plot convenience But that's the kind of thing that I can believe if she does that stuff and she's super nimble like a contortionist Um and that kind of plays into her character to a degree that I can believe it's the other weird mega strength stuff that That I just can't buy well Like her being able to actually do it. Um in real life is like It's it's always nice to see people being able to do their own stunts like that because it makes it makes it a lot more believable Um So of course knowing that margo robbie can do that is like all right. This is definitely not an issue then Of course, I don't believe that margo robbie let alone anyone Can walk out there with two pistols absolutely not in stand in the middle of basically an intersection of several hallways and people will just Charge in and not like bother taking any cover. Maybe peeking around the corner. See what's going on They'll just keep running towards her with their guns Which are are things that I think are good at at long range with Mentioning for context right like what happens next for people who don't know is He kills like 50 people or something It's ridiculous She just goes through the whole place and shoots them all down And I've seen loads people praise this scene and I'm genuinely curious Why is it literally just because you watch tally kill people is that it? Like what is there to it makes no sense to even compliment her as like a gun like a marksman or anything It's like where the fuck would that have come from and secondly she's not doing anything impressive It's spinning around shooting It got the whole flower thing going on for the blood, you know, that looks pretty doesn't that's like the only thing I kind of liked rest of it was yeah Yeah, like in a better film that could be like, you know, that is like you would have like holly vision Where you know her perception of reality is quite different and you would have something like Oh when she kills people, they just explode into flowers and that would be something interesting But again, like all the holly stuff in this film Um, there are there are points where I'm like, okay I can see Where that could be like a character where you could do stuff with that character Like she may maybe she has trust issues and the whole friendship with rick Is like her coming to like because there's a moment where she sees rick and she's like really touched that someone would Be selfless for her and I'm just like wow, there's maybe something you could have done with that But they don't really explore it and that's kind of just a lot of the holly stuff For me is that there's points where I can see where it could have gone. Well, but in execution It's just fucked like I think my note. Oh, sorry. Oh, no go ahead and finish Oh, well my notes here are basically enemy soldiers don't seem to know how to aim their guns until the plot requires character deaths Well, and this is really apparent here. So someone in chat said she's either invincible or the soldiers are worse shots than stormtroopers Here's the thing about that that would require them to shoot their guns Yeah, yeah At least the stormtroopers they shoot their guns has like a meta power her power is the power which would be interesting for the dceu almost if you had a a The her they're someone who superpower was like a meta level power They had incredible luck or like they acknowledged they Not only go too far into the Deadpool territory But that that could be an interesting kind of idea where it's even alluded to And it's never like maybe questions are asked about it, but never answered I mean incredibly lucky person like that's their power Well, isn't that a character in That is a domino. Yeah, I've never I've never seen No, no, that's that's the interesting connection. I guess Yeah, that that could be interesting. There's a lot of stuff It'll be dceu is so is really wacky and it's clearly not taking itself so seriously And You you could do something interesting with harley because we're still kind of wondering What is her power level what it and who is she? Who is she who is she and what does she do and she just seems to get away with things always inexplicably It could be like a funny idea of a like an in-universe power to make all enemies Too stupid to use their guns or they're suddenly terrible aims That's like textual plot armor. That could be funny. Yeah, like there's just this aura around them that reduces enemy combatants IQ levels It's just I I'm going to just close We were saying like the funny thing for us because a lot of people praise the scene I've seen a lot of reviews with like this fucking great scene the funny thing for us a lot And I know we're on a very very small and dark corner the internet We genuinely would have preferred it if she unlocks the padlock grabs some shoes grabs some guns And she opens the door and then it shows her opening the outside door covered in blood or something And we're just like so whatever happened. She killed a bunch of people Yeah, my imagination will make more sense than what they showed. I promise that Um, but yeah, we we should like I don't think it's worth us going through every single fucking kill She gets is nonsense. They're all fucking bullshit There's like thousands of guns on the walls and they grab knives and walk towards her drops her soul rifles That was a javelin thing for the javelin Isn't there a shot where a guy's literally shooting like his rifle in her direction and he somehow doesn't score a hit I I I just wonder if they just made her feet It's in the corridor And yes, at least one guy I remember that has his pistol out and shoots in her direction and somehow misses I don't know how Right in the middle of the corridor. There's nothing else to shoot at There's there's two like little things that hollywood keeps fucking up and we we've we've spoken a plenty about closing the distance But also when you drop a gun the gun doesn't cease to exist You can go back and pick it back up. You don't have to opt for a knife We'll think of all the hollywood fights where getting the gun is the focus of you know, what people are You know what we're trying to do. Yeah, isn't that in extraction? Isn't that what David harbour and christen with are fighting over? Yeah, I think that happens in that fight. Yeah Which and yeah, and that fight happens to be really intense and there's actual stakes involved Yeah, extraction is worth a watch for those who haven't heard of say it, but yeah extraction is it is worth a watch There's impressive stuff in there. Yeah treat guns with respect because they are very very powerful and they allow a lot of plot things to occur Talk about agency multipliers It's not as cool to see people shoot each other as it is to see them doing martial arts moves Well, then don't give them fucking guns. You got it. I was gonna say by the way She actually does pick up the assault rifles or what I think we were like. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, she did it Yeah, okay Then again assault rifles and then there were 50 people in the hallway who all had guns But then also didn't shoot so they all died because she killed them first And while we're on the subject because Because of the music choice for the scene. I highly recommend you guys check out nobody It's this bob odin quirk action movie and it's features the same song, but it's actually really good So I've seen it. I wanted to give that a watch. Yeah, we should do that at some point. Um, I I endorse it It's up there with extraction for me. It's especially cringe to me that she Blows them all away then drops the gun grabs the the sep fucking hell I can't focus on javelin for some reason. My brain never goes to javelin first. It has to be rebooted first um The the enemy spawning pauses while she sorts that out and then it restarts the second she's ready to fight It's so crap. Yeah, it's like you see the soldiers go around the corners Charging her with the pistol in their hands. Fuck's sake firing shots actually in her direction It's like, how are you missing? She's got a javelin Funny story when I first watched this I didn't notice that the javelin was already there I thought that she imagined the javelin into existence Like it just it was like it just comes out of thin air because it shines Like as like a video game weapon spawn basically That's on me it was there the whole time apparently but Mola's british mind goes to septifist. Is that a british thing or is that just me flumpin? I don't know Aceptors british It's not even to be fair. Wait, what did you call a scepter? Well, it's the thing the javelin is not even close to a scepter It's just something I'm saying because the you could say they're similar in in form I suppose Roughly well a scepter is closer to a javelin than a chicken, you know Yeah Even a chicken scepter is closer to a javelin than an actual chicken Someone in chat said even that would be better. Like if it suddenly revealed her power was javelin summoning, which is incredibly That's Harley Quinn the gal that can summon javelins anywhere. Yeah her um her focus on Not only just getting but keeping this javelin with her um, it's never Explained why she does that? Well, I guess she keeps saying like how they play off the javelin death at the beginning I don't know why we should care because it's not played off as a thing that she actually does care about She feels played off as a joke. She does say at one point. She's waiting But god or whoever to tell her why she has this javelin Yeah, I'm not saying it's good That's just verbally that that's just verbalizing what she's doing I guess It's something, you know So then of all the things right after she's about to leave well before she's about to leave Um, the suicide squad run past here. It's this awkward thing. We pointed out. We were watching it Blood sport peers around the corner to check if anyone's there Clearly sees a taxi and Harley quitter there and then just starts running like past them Just like what was the point in checking there's someone there like what? What are you doing? I guess you can say like well, he's checking for police or something. He's like, okay And it's super convenient timing as well because it's what gets Harley out of the car and meets up with them If oh, yeah knows what it was happened or if she's drove away Convenient as hell There's a there's a lot of that and so yeah, we get the They reunite but before that we see them prepping the plan and um somebody that hit me And I'm not even 100 of the third time viewing it. I'm not 100 sure if it's a joke But I fight it funny as fuck when they talk about where everyone's in positions This like the Sebastian has got the numbers on who's inside or where things are Polkadot man is keeping an eye on the traffic to let anyone know this coming King shark is looking at a bird They ask a peacemaker What's going on at least like I've got a view of the audio one in there. Say the word. I'll take her out He really he really is committed to peace He will kill any man woman or child to achieve it Yeah, it connects to that previous line and it's funny, but you're like, holy crap Like he is 100 serious and he would have gone well Yeah, you could say you could generate a more serious scenario with his point of view Uh, theoretically You guys are also overlooking. I think that's what I like because from his yeah Because from his point of view it is so serious and yeah, that's what makes it work You guys are also overlooking. Um when nanaway is like bird. I think rick flag is like get off the comms That's what I mean It's not even been that long and I fucking not only believe it but really enjoy this team But I want to see them succeed at the stuff. It's just like man. You did that pretty quickly and She keeps a jab right because it's a useful weapon not as useful as an m4 Yeah, it's it's amazing the the power of writing witty dialogue exchanges between these characters Yeah, well they say this about literally fucking just in uh in discussions with people if you are funny It'll make people want to be around you more Because they enjoy their time being around you and if these people are all funny Then when we see them we will think of the times we have laughed and be like Yay, I would like to spend more time with these people and that's aside from all of their um What's endearing about them in their histories That's just strictly just having witty Writing good dialogue. It's fucking key. I swear to god. It gets you to like people real quick Not just about oh, they came from this place and they had this happen. It's like, okay It's banter it's um having them come off as Not only real human beings but human beings you want to be around Oh, and uh, just a quick aside nimlex. Thank you very much for the very speedy new pfp. Um, you just dumped um Yeah, this call. Yeah. I love it. Gorgeous Um Yeah, someone else I do like about this though is when when they hug and he's trying to like pat her on the back He's got his guns. He's just patting her on the back with his gun Which Just uh works. Uh, yeah, uh, you know, they were about to be engaged the plan. She's actually here So they can just uh move on I guess which Um, is there is there anything else before I go to the next team because I am I'm going through a little fast. I guess I just I feel like I might have missed stuff. I don't know I know Don't think we yeah carry on Very well We have what might be my favorite chapter Sort of thing I like a lot of them But this one is like a combination of like lots of scrap metal on a rooftop at a particular angle. I think it was my favorite too. Yeah Yeah Which is really cool It seemed to be more incorporated into the actual environment more than any of the other ones. Yeah, this um Some of these haven't looked practical like some of it has to have been CGI But this was like it has to have been practical, right? No, I I mean I had to assume it's CGI, but it looks like it could be practical, which is the important Yeah, I would have assumed that it was practical, which I don't know I assumed all of them a CGI to be honest every single one Yeah, um some of them are my question, but yeah, it's possible. They all are Um at this point in the film, it's really good Yeah, um, we were definitely in the position of like Man, this is bizarre because we're having so much fun. We enjoy so many people But also we're getting shot on by the plot And uh Harley's annoying us there's this big mix and um, it is a big mix Yeah, this scene is another great example of that where you've got They're describing what they're going to do about the plan how they're going to use the thinker and Harley is just cracking shitty Harley jokes throughout the dialogue I hate this. Yes You know, I was tempted to bring it up someone earlier I'd said one of the issues with Harley is there's no one to play uh, no one for her to play off of But that's this and it's still bad Yeah, the best you've got is like rick flag going no don't listen to what she just said You know, like oh, that's that's great We're really uh, oof It is this is cringe. This is actual cringe Maybe margo robbie thought that these would just be harley lines and nobody like told her no It, uh, I just wanted to mention quick as well. They were having food in the scene milton brought them the food He is still uh, a fucking legend. He's still here. He's helping them out. No, that's the best I want to make sure milton is mentioned. Yeah, I would get I would give Mid hilton hilton I would give hitler a high five. Yeah, you can't fucking clip that song bite So This thing I was about to give credit elsewhere of her But unfortunately, like I said plot so they're like we are going to drive in and we'll destroy the cameras on the way In and hopefully we won't be checked. That is our plan It's like, oh That's great also Also, they don't seem particularly interested in like interrogating information out of this guy who's been working on the project for 30 years They got to save that before they get into yodenheim itself. So that it'll be more dramatic um I guess I they have no reason to think anything other than they're going there to destroy data But I think I agree with you and that you'd think at least one person would be curious enough to be like What is the data anyway? What is all of this about? He's a wealth of knowledge. Yeah, I think that's relatively sure Uh, obviously they're more focused on just getting the job done. So it's like a it's a toss-up But I think that someone probably would have asked that I probably would have been like, hey um Let's scan on here. But yeah, uh, they're just explaining how everything's gonna work and Harley just makes jokes I'm trying to think of like one of them is she's they literally speaking and she's walking in the background She says I am walking back and forth so like As as I was watching this, um, you know the term flanderization Yes Yes Go ahead. Yes. I don't know what it is. You have to explain it Well, Molly, can you explain it? You can probably explain it better than I can. No, no, no, no, it's on you No, I'll put you on the spot We'll buck you Just it's good to do it with the original fucking persons based after right so Ned Flanders when you watch classic simpsons is a fully fledged layered character He's not simply a hyper positive neighbor that embarrasses Homer by comparison all the time He's actually a person with positions on things a lots of values The the way he treats his family and friends have a lot of reasoning behind it and he's he's quite the He's quite a guy, uh, Ned Flanders. He's a really good person sort of thing as the seasons go on He starts to lose a lot of the elements that make him a full person and instead repeat what everybody enjoys as his peaks Which is like, oh when he says silly words when he does like hyper religious things When he, um, you know awkwardly Succeeds despite all odds like these are things I like about Ned Flanders And then that's all they do with them until it gets reduced and reduced and reduced until you're almost a caricature of what the character was This actually happened with Britta in the community as far as I'm concerned a couple of other because Britta Like Britta was word for uh, this sucks or this is bad And then that just became like her becoming this incredibly flat character And yeah, with like Ned Flanders you look back from where he is now. It's like could you imagine hurricane netty like could you Yeah, could you see that happening and and believe that when it totally makes sense? So then I'm looking at the scene with Harley and um, it's funny because it's not only such a painful contrast between Like the previous scene with her hugging Rick and also Her having that moment where she's talking to the guy She just shot because he announced that he wanted to kill children. But also, um, even like B-Tas like I think that B-Tas Harley Quinn is is a perfectly fine character. And um, I'm looking at this. It's like These people don't know how to write Harley Quinn. They don't they don't seem to understand her Personality what makes her a good character sound like adaptation almost I mean, I mean But I also mentioned it it's inconsistent with what we saw in previous scenes. It's just the character is just reduced to a a very Just I don't know two-dimensional stereotype basically and they're trying to do it for laughs and it's just it's not funny It's it's kind of like if your Batman is just someone who runs around going. I'm Batman. I'm Batman Then he just punched someone. You know, it's like it's a little bit like that Yeah, the basis for Harley's character and a lot of stories tends to be the Joker They tried doing that in the first Suicide Squad movie then they abandoned that for Birds of Prey and now It's like they don't really know what to do with her anymore. I would say that broadly I would say that broadly what's happened with Harley Quinn and like everything is that they're trying to divorce her from Joker and just have her be like her own thing Because of the baggage that is associated with The relationship that they have which is very abusive. And so that's really that's like Kind of awkward to try and make that a funny Like action-adventure kind of thing. So I think they've been trying to like completely divorce her from Joker But like she was conceived as dependent on that character So it's like you need to find a way to move her into becoming like independent Yeah, it's gonna make her her own thing. She has to be a thing There's not and she's practically Somebody said they can't they absolutely could you absolutely can I was literally right about to say that as we were watching this and kind of as we finished She comes across as this We've had her for three movies now and i'm getting blank slate vibes from her still The bag of character traits is enormous. We can pull literally fucking anything apply it to her give her a storyline relating to it This is not hard And this is like this is why birds of prey is so pathetic at attempting to flesh her out Evan and I when we finished our run through of batman the animated series, which is I meant by b-tas for those that aren't looking at chat Um, the last episode that we watched was mad love and mad love is a good episode that fleshes out Her character really really well. Um, it like ended our kind of roller coaster of a marathon on a high note um and that's a 20 minute episode of a Cartoon from the 90s that did that way better than what it like almost two hour movie released today did and And now you have this fucking broken character That I think james gun is just struggling. He is trying desperately to salvage But I don't think he's trying desperately to save it. I don't think yeah, because I think that I can see I can see like a story that you could do here even with the character that you've been presented I feel like The problem is that we need to be willing to actually be very critical of uh, Harley Quinn And I don't know that that's what people want And so that seems to be informing the writing because like I feel like your story has to wow I think muller will kind of know what I'm thinking about in terms of like this concept But you know, she she was a victim of joker and now and like maybe But now she's like almost she's damaged goods and it's like so where do you go from there? Like how do I How does this character go from piece of shit to like somebody who's actually worthwhile? And you feel like how much accountability does she have versus how much is beyond her control? Yeah, and you feel like maybe you've got an opportunity here to tell a story of Maybe in the first third to a half she is open and honest about how she's been Ruined and torn apart by joker And the rest of the storyline is going to be about how not only is she going to build herself back up But that she sees a lot of what she's done in her past as not just joker This is also stuff she enjoys. Yes, and she needs to address that in some way Well, I think it's I think it's the meaningful way of like making it so that it's she's not defined by Joker in twofold And that she's not defined by the damage that was done to her by him But also that some of the bad things that she did that's like that was her It was her decision when she is with him or without him. That's not what makes her who she is We can have this so much we can do but we spend the majority of her time in this Indulging in other stuff And now Talking about it more it's like man, you you couldn't you really can like make something out of this Absolutely That's true like we're eight years into this franchise and we've finally gotten something that is worthwhile like I mean It's never too late. I guess as you know It's Someone said make then make a new character don't use harley if this is the maximum you ever get from harley fucking quinn That's a fucking shame. That's an embarrassment if this is the limitation she has Why would somebody say not to yeah, well because the implication from that is that this is harley quinn She is comic accurate. Leave her the fuck alone. I'd be like, well, what a shit character that is No, we She's missing a lot of the substance from the comics though that I I don't know a I don't know shit about the comics I just know where she originally came from be tasked where she was a decent character for much of the time that we Yeah, well from from my from my memory. I didn't have much criticisms of harley quinn as I do for like That version of mr. Freeze That's she isn't given much material some of those earlier episodes is the thing She's mainly just there to be the sidekick. They kind of introduced the whole abusive relationship and sort of like later seasons But still she's pretty functional mad love was really good mad love's a really good episode Everyone should watch mad love and see what harley quinn can be like, you know when she meets her full potential When I saw the trailer for this movie the scene that we got of harley We need to skip over it, but we could go back just a little bit to Dote on it because it's a relevant I suppose Um the scene where she's she has escaped and then she comes across our our heroes if you will Trying to like save about to save her, but she saved herself And her reaction there like was genuinely good and interesting Yeah, and in isolation that gave me a lot of hope and interest with what we would See of harley quinn and what would be done with her as a character And what a damn shame that it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. Yeah, you pretty much had the full context You already needed and yeah, that was it It's a weird isolated thing that happens that leads nowhere and essentially comes from nowhere And I don't I don't think that the issue is margo robbie's casting. I think that she can be a good harley quinn Absolutely, it's definitely not a issue without cost She is entirely right thing every time and I thought james could be the one to fix her up But I I'm sorry. He just didn't It feels like james was almost fanboying over the fact that he could use harley quinn Which I think might be what contributed to this like he was like, oh my god I got the keys to harley quinn. Oh my god And then he wasn't as ultra critical about how she was introduced into this story As she was about these more unknown as he was about the more unknown characters, which Might be what happened here if I had to guess Well, it feels like he liked the version of harley quinn that we got in birds of prey But that version sucks that character sucks We got more of her here and it's like you got you have this like Otherwise really fun and entertaining movie with a shitty plot But you know, you've got otherwise great cast of characters and then they just like it's like they they surgically inserted This this implant from this horrible pile of garbage Um And It's just it's so out of place That's all I really have to say about it People's only like maybe he wasn't allowed to do much with the character as far as I know he had full freedom Yep, yeah, like I said, I honestly think maybe he might have been a little afraid to change her up too much Because there are definitely a lot of people who love harley quinn by margaret I don't know what they love. I don't know what it is that they like about her Right. I think it is the same thing that people like unironically about alice Like the people who actually like alice because there's a lot of the similar problems She's just so quirky and fun when she's on the green. Who knows what she's gonna do next It is like, uh Go away. So unusual and that is valuable on its own. He's unusual. Yeah, like a lot of the a lot of the performances. She's crazy Well I'm a rent man. Just they can do anything they need to do Yeah Damn shame. Well, there's there's more harley quinn in this film to come. We will probably try and do some kind of like Uh character discussion, I guess like for each one And uh, that was we pretty much already done harley now But like there's a few extra bits we could talk about because in fairness my favorite harley moment is yet to come And I can't remember. I don't know if you guys know what I'm referring to. I know what it is I don't remember I don't know if it was I think south ball points it out in the efat movies recording But we'll get there so We got uh, the we're gonna do the plan yotenheim is surrounded by gods We're gonna go in with our little truck with the thinker driving the thinker will look at them be like I'm the thinker. I'm allowed in here and that's it You won't you won't need to worry about anything else Uh, and then it's like well, what about the cameras? They might spot us. It's like the rats will destroy all the cameras And you'd think that if the rats destroy the cameras, which makes sense to me Um, because I can chew all the wires and stuff wouldn't they be a high alert thing like oh our cameras are down Make sure you check everything now because we we need to make sure all the cameras go down then Unless they just I now I think it was the front gate one that they did and the rest didn't seem to go off But I am going off memory. I'm not it might have just been because we only I think we only see the one Well, that's the one side. I think still works. Yeah It's more than you wouldn't panic the one at the front gate. Yeah, it would just be like, oh shit. This camera went out Well, yeah, it just I depending on the person, you know send Like sent some people there or I'll mark it down to tell the tech guys later or I'll go back to reading my I don't know good housekeeping magazine or whatever. Yes Um, and then we finish we come to There's a lot of things that happen It's maybe I think you could pick for most bizarre moment But like this one baffles me the most out of everything. Honestly. Yeah, this one confused us when we watched it I wasn't really sure it was happening if this was supposed to be and Because we we have that's the weird stylization stuff for the Text and things that are clearly not in universe. It's just to present information to us in style And originally I thought that's what it was. Well, it's with let's just get it clear what we're talking about and then we'll So this image I've got for you right now that is you see that doorway. That's where they're going to get to Now you might think damn so when they get out of this truck We're in trouble because how do you have how do you not tell that all these people are fucking crazy superhero people? Whatever What do we do mystery machine now? Let's let's talk about it from like let's just pretend for a second that everyone in the area goes blind And so you can walk through it's like well, that's incredibly convenient if something like that were to happen But the thing is What they chose to make happen isn't just convenient. It just doesn't match up with anything that I know Like about life. I don't yeah I don't know how what happens in or out of reality This is a bizarre one as you can see from here because I just want to make it clear this area that i'm putting my case around That's where we're about to go Right and you could just from your eye here. You're just like well this this whole place looks pretty clear of you It's like this is going to be tough to uh, you know deal with Um, and if you remember from the trailer if anyone's seen it They're stepping out of like a van and it's raining and holly says It's like angels are splooging all over us. I know the fucking classic line from holly. Just But so as you can see it's starting to rain so it's like oh it's lining up with the trailer but Oh, you know, it's getting it's getting a little bright Yeah Oh, oh the clouds are clearing and the sun's coming up now if you guys know Just like this soldier is doing here when the sun comes out You run to shelter because the sun is a horrifying scare ball that will project Blinding light onto the universe Yeah, this one's this is a weird one And like I can't under exaggerate this The place gets lit up as though they're in fucking heaven Look at the windows It's just white. That's it. It's it's like Storm from the x-men stopped by and gave them a hand I think but if she put it to this level then they're all blind if they try and open their eyes out there Yeah, I'm I'm wondering during the filming like was this a real thing a real effect that they were doing Or was this something they did in post can the actors see good? It's weird. So we as you guys will see in months to come potentially. Um, we had no fucking idea what was happening We were like what did someone what what's going on like this can't this can't be the weather This is not how weather works. So what's happening? Is this the introduction to a new superhero that we don't know about arriving? It's the Milton's ability Yeah Really illustrate that this is this is dead. Fuck blood sport. There you go Walking off into this and look Just disappears into the light What the fuck is happening theoretically there are guards everywhere Here it's just that this weird blinding white light has just Emerged well the the purpose of this is for that trailer shot of there Like they're all walking through the rain and in this badass lineup And like it looks really cool. Well, um, I thought it was I thought it was gonna be like, um Like the final shot after the climax like there was some crazy shit that just went down and And they're all coming out of it like, uh, you know how the mask of zora There's that big explosion and everyone's like walking out of it and it's like it's a super cool shot I thought we were gonna get something like that. No, this is before the climax has even begun Well, this this is what the sun does guys. It's just like, uh I don't know and you say it's for the trailer shot. It's like true But it's also for the plot it allows them to get past the initial set of guards and they can surprise attack the next set This is incredibly helpful for them. Um bloodsport even says it'll provide great cover when she comments on it And it's like yes, it will because this isn't real This isn't something that happened I and again, I don't know what their plan was if this didn't happen Um, I don't know how this is occurring. Well, this is I'm baffled the kind of stuff where I'm like Doesn't the average movie go and not go like what the hell what is happening here? Yeah, I don't How do you follow this like smoke grenades or something like that? That could have worked like they throw them out like of the truck and then it just goes everywhere Like that could create a smoke screen. Is is this the um the closest that we get to something like style over substance in this film Well, this is the the most egregious instance of that uh potentially. Yeah, um What do you think? Um, so yeah They push on over and all the gods can't see them coming. They're like, oh, what's what's going on here? It's so bright. Ah, and then they all get killed. Um The notable kill being king shark Uh, you would have seen in the trailer where he tears a man in two pieces and a lightning strike is in the background I think well, it's all right. Yeah, it's a neat shot Yeah Awesome kill an awesome shot. Yeah, and yeah, uh, we just got more guards being retarded Uh piece maker manages to cut through like six of them with a sword They all have guns and they just don't they just don't they just die Um, it's straight out of the Mandalorian. Yeah, it's just boring at this point It's like, can you work a little bit harder? Please come on Please remember what you have in your hands right now There you go. Yeah King shark is fucking that guy up. Oh, yeah But a horrible way to go. Oh, yeah It kind of looks like a starfish, you know, and they'll let it does cut to a piece Make a rabid thing his face into the ice cat. He's just like son of a bitch Oh, they do the movie thing he breaks the lock scatter thing and thus it doesn't work anymore Like and everything on this end. It's just a little broken. It's like, oh fuck never mind Um, at least they didn't do you break in it engages secure lockdowns or something. You know is that? Oh, they just get thinking to do that anyway So, yeah, um that that so we're in this big building Lucky there's no guards in it, which is what I assumed at first because I was confused It turns out there are lots of guards in it. They just they're all sleeping right now And someone is about to realize this is all happening in like two minutes um Again plot is just in tatters because like if they had people in the building ready with guns The security of any kind they probably all would have died um So it's just it's just lucky that it's all empty and that the people who are actually in there to be able to stop them uh Only activate a little later. Yeah, it all works out. It's great So we split up two groups or three groups. I think there's um People setting explosives upstairs. Some people setting them a bit downstairs until they join them upstairs and then another group with going with thinker Um down to where the data is mainly stored um Everybody's pretty much on board with just doing their stuff We get some get some looks from uh old peacemaker toward the thinker and rick flag And uh, we know that the police or the security are on their way So it's a bit to be concerned about but you know things are moving forward And we get an interaction between king shark and peacemaker that I think everybody loves where King shark makes a little peacemaker out of uh, I don't know what to call it explosive clay stuff, you know Yeah, and and um I think I forgot the dialogue, but it's it's like uh He's like anything like me Actually, that's actually it's kind of cute or something like that like The door. Oh, it's really nice. It's really nice. Yeah, that's really very nice Oh, it's uh, plastic Plastic is the the whole explosive clay. Yeah Yeah, king shark obviously considers them all friends and uh John Cena is trying to get on with his work and so Uh, yeah, everyone's setting their explosives and I think we I can't remember what we cut to next. I'm just sort of waiting for obviously yeah king shark notices that um peacemaker's disappeared But uh, you'll just we'll we'll carry on doing that explosive setting And oh, yeah, so uh after that happens, of course the president and all of his men are going to be made aware of the situation and um Something incredibly distracting happens. No need to point it out But uh, that'll be a Big booba lady That's gonna be a funny moment Yeah Someone was in the middle of the of a sentence and then she comes along and then they're like, uh Completely forgot what they were saying Uh, yeah, so we've got loads of the military are on the way Which is just yeah, and the the rebels notice them will leave and so they're gonna try and take over the uh the area Yeah, it seems to be about like 10 rebels left. It's just like damn Yeah, oof. That's what I was thinking during this. I was like, man Well, maybe a bit maybe 20. I don't I don't know So, um, we got rick flag rat catcher two and the thinker that go all the way to the base of yotenheim and we get another scene that um It again just it felt a little clunky. It's not a delivery from peter capaldi. He's doing great It's just the dialogue itself is a little like man You really wanted to get every piece of information about this sort of Design this area and everything out, didn't you? um It's revealed that thinker has been working with this thing for 30 years to the point of You know sacrificing people to it to get uh the starfish Bigger and to study it and he said earlier in the film that he was looking into how he can control human beings um And yeah, and when you get here this the staro has its Well extensions of itself like begging to be set free and uh It says like he's tortured us for ages and I just love this look That thinker does because it feels to me that he's just a full-on villain. He's aware of it He's just been it's just been said in front of him how horrible he is and the hero's like look at him And he's just like Well, yeah I'm a horrible piece of shit. Yeah I just heard back now come on um And so of course they're calling him out quite significantly Um until he's like, you know what fuck you guys you work for the same person I do and um Get a big reveal that America Were the ones that wanted to organize this experiment to help, you know Further advancements in science and whatever else and that they organized to have it on this island because it was discrete um, and so once the Rebellion takeover happened Uh, this sort of project was in jeopardy And I guess the government decided they wanted all Data related to it erased, um And their involvement in case it gets out of hand and so yeah It's a rick flag is, you know good old mr. America. So he's just like holy shit. That's not good That's what I would actually call bad. In fact, that's just really bad and they're like calling him a liar but he's uh You know think is not exactly in a position where he needs to lie about anything um And then he's I think he says like it's been Frustrating his hell for him because of all of his work getting partially destroyed thanks to this stupid coup that happened and um In the background you just see peacemaker and he's like, oh, yeah, you're the real victim in all of this and um As much as it's nice to see him because I do like peacemaker quite a bit. It's a little bit weird that he's there Uh, you're supposed to be setting explosives as rick says That his response is uh, he doesn't trust thinker And so that's a little bit distracting and not really an answer But we keep going because rick is like I want the data for what you've just said Like the proof the files whatever else And um, there's just a standard good old fashioned set of what look like servers and um, he opens one up and grabs out a hard drive And so we're at the point in the story We could say that rick is holding in his hand proof that um america were the ones behind staro Uh, which is going to be staggering as a public release I would say And he says on his way to the file that um, he's worked his ass off his whole life for for his country and um He's had to like put up with a lot of their dirty little secrets But uh, this shit is taking it way too fucking far And so this is a guy that was okay with waller gunning down those federal agents in the first movie by the way This is like a huge deal to him Well, I think that uh, there's a perfectly explicit reason for why this is uh, way too far for him Well, I mean we see all of the uh, the the gruesomeness of the experiments and just like the nature of this mission I'm not even talking about that. I fully agree. I fully agree. I'm not criticizing it I'm trying to emphasize how upsetting this is for him that you know, he was okay with What waller does in the first movie and this is too far so um And so as you can see on screen piece maker pulls a gun on him says give up the hard drive because if you release that information It'll essentially just be chaos Uh, we'll never be able to get like a reasonable piece back if the whole world's aware of what america's done here And he said sometimes keeping the peace involves Like making some really harsh decisions even taking the life of a hero like you sir So give it man and slow Our our initial context of his Things that we assume are jokes. It's like this is very meaningful beliefs that he has This is who he is It's like the it's it's you know, it's a great example of just this dichotomy We've got two people who believe that they're right Who believe that they're right for reasonable reasons Uh, and one of them has somebody has to give like there's it's a just a complete impasse here something One of these guys has to lose Um Yeah, and and ultimately to the peacekeeper this sorry maker. You're right. That is just you does feel right Doesn't it peacekeeper funny? I think I I play um I play a lot of apex legends and there's a gun on that called the peacekeeper and so that's often kind of I'm around that a lot for me. It's a fast scape. There's a whole faction called the peacekeepers Farscape too. That's a faction of farscape that I know about um, yeah, it's uh Um, so obviously in this conversation Rick is is very upset with the choices peacekeeper maker is making here And uh, I'm just trying to get the right thing to play Fucking peace. This is so awkward because of copyright. I'm just trying to find the right start and then end um Yeah, uh, all obviously worth mentioning by the way, the walls are falling apart And uh, thinker is like those fucking idiots set off the explosives too early And you might be thinking at this point by the way, I wasn't when I was watching this movie You might be thinking wait, where is the other half of the team? What are they doing? Like, why haven't we seen them? Um, I was so engaged with this drama that I completely forgot we haven't seen anything that they're up to Yeah, thank you Again, uh, I'm gonna just play this because I just want to make a clear hope What's happening? Experimented on children They experimented on children, right? Which it's it that's what he's stressing not that it's a giant monster set to potentially destroy the world Not that all these people have been torn to shreds and tortured um And the response to that from Peacemaker is nobody saying what they did was right Which is his principled position is that there is less peace if we release that hard drive I'm not saying that it's good that they're getting away with what they've done Um, I feel like that's a big thing that really helps Yeah absolutely him calling calling saggy hero Really really he really wants him to hand over the hard drive because he doesn't know how to do this Exactly, we've got the peacemaker. It's like it's it's it's a matter of pragmatism. It's like well It's it's the greater good. That's basically his or at least he believes that this is the greater good Yeah, and uh, and then we get a double down So that's probably the best thing I've seen from rick flag and all of every dc stuff just Yeah, this is great. Like this scene is great. I really really like this interaction He doesn't want them to get away with it. They could have easily gone peacemaker totally bad All the way villainous cranked it all the way in one direction But there's really a lot of you totally believe that this guy's a real person you um, yeah What's funny is his delivery of that line reminds me of jesse from breaking bad He he can't keep getting away with it. That's it's literally the same thing. Joe like yeah Joe kineman is is projecting that The like of all the things about it that are so heinous They experimented on children. They don't get to get away with this. It's done Yeah, um And that should worry anybody because that means we're dealing with two people who principally will not allow the other one to succeed Um, yeah, so you already know like what's about to happen And so the the rubble gets too extreme And it begins to cave in the whole area and something I noticed only on I think my third watch through I was talking to rags at the time. I think but um they show the the place has started to fall apart and um We get like a split second with the two of these guys and as the rubble is falling I'll show it here Just keep an eye on rick as soon as the rocks start coming down pulls both of his pistols Um, so he's absolutely willing to execute the fuck out of peacemaker Uh, the second he has a chance. Oh, yeah Peacemaker is not willing definitively to kill rick right now because he respects the fuck out of him Um, so it's a super interesting dynamic. Unfortunately, the rubble falls too fast and they both Get hit by it And uh, we yeah, we go to cut to black we come back and the glass Sort of shielding if you will that kept starro in its area um Is blown open And the thinker is pretty much immediately dragged off to a very grisly death Where he is torn in half and tossed at a wall so hard. He splatters into pieces Um Which by the way, he's one of the worst people in all of this so it's not a surprise Yeah, of course. No tear shits for him monster Yeah, he's he's quite possibly the worst person in all of the dc cannons. So good job Well, I mean in terms of villains. It's like yeah, he's just a um, he's a big old piece of shit. Yeah um, of course ratcatchers watching it happen and um starro starts to try and break out and for a moment does actually attempt to uh catch her But a sebastian clues her into a little hole She can probably crawl through and much like a rat she escapes through the tiniest of of areas to her to her own safety Um And then yeah, so you what that's the by the way, I almost understated it the way that he dies Thinker we splat him on the wall and the camera moves into the room that he splattered on it It's it's where rick and um Please keep maker are and they're slowly waking up So the thing is knowing everything from that prior scene and they both got knocked out by rubble But they get him back up or you know temporarily inconvenienced um You you you wonder like what because I remember when I was watching it I was just like are they both committed right now to killing each other Because um, I didn't even catch rick pulling the gun on my first watch through obviously Uh, but the thing is There's there's a lot of things at stake is is kind of where I'm going with this We've got the giant starfish about to be released. We've we've got like all the data probably needs Destructing and stuff. We need to get the fuck out of here But ultimately how much do these two men care about that hard drive? Um, and that's gonna decide a lot of what happens here So he wakes up first a peacemaker any spots that rick's got a bit of debris pulling out of his uh like his gut And then they both note that the hard drive Is where it is and so they both jump for it and we get what is a shot that everybody Everybody's complimenting this shot amazing. Yep No, we logistically it must have been so fucking difficult to pull off Yeah Action is clear the choreography doesn't seem to have any faults and it's just it's a really creative way to shoot the scene This would have to have been CGI because there's a reflection of the camera would have been there Yeah, so that I I've been saying Yeah, they did some kind of They probably shot the scene like normal and then they found some way to wrap that image around A helmet shape and distorted it with it. It looks really great. This looks great. It looks. Yeah Honestly, they might have used the fish eye lens everybody even down to like the five to ten minute reviews Nobody's failed to mention that shot. It's just like that shot that is fucking awesome shot. It's really incredible um And yeah, so the thing is they're both getting for the hard drive They're both pushing each other punching each other until it starts to get really hard hitting like throwing rick into like this It looks like some kind of like seed supplier thing. I'm not 100% sure Throwing him again And then you know rick gets like a punch elbow punch and they're both like it's getting more and more closer to extremes And again, I was sitting you're just like oh fuck Are we are we in a are we in a place with it willing to give killing blows? And it's like the problem is like you have to stop the other Because like there is nothing else like you can't you know say like okay, okay? I give up it's like no both of these men believe that this is the correct thing to do Like absolutely. There's nothing else to it. Um, and it looks like for a moment that uh peacemaker is winning but then rick gets a pole and so it hits him in the leg I think in the chest and then the face and blood splatter and everywhere And so uh peacemaker is struggling And uh rick goes for the kill he gets on top of him and pushes the pole down on his neck And he's looking very much like he wants to fucking kill peacemaker. Uh, oh, yeah This is not something he's having trouble with in terms of his conscience Um, yeah the thing is they smashed some porcelain And so there's shards of porcelain around and uh Good ol peacemaker manages to grab one And this is john senor. So his arms are strong And he just plows the shard into his heart and uh They make sure you don't miss that as a fact Uh, i'm gonna have to keep copyright cover on i'm sorry guys, but it would be nice if this was viewable when it Fucking ends the stream, you know Um, I think I think this is almost a call back to the first film as well because they very explicitly show the heart Being stabbed in the whole conflict with him was the enchantress the last film under surrounding her heart Um, so I wonder if that was intentional Um, yeah, maybe I I imagine they're going for the heart because it's in this scenario. It's the instakill might have no doubt like no doubt This is this is death. Yeah, it's yeah, he's gone. Um, and so crazy enough. Yeah, phenomenally enough felt really sad about this Yeah, yeah, yeah I really liked rick flag. They really They recovered him. Yeah in that last in the prior 10 minutes or so Like I said, it was it was like halfway through the film I was starting to feel for him and then when he made his speech like this is unacceptable They've experimented on children. We have to do everything we can to get this out like And then he's fighting someone to the death to do it. I was like man. I like rick flag Yeah, and and then yeah And even what's interesting is like rick flag was just trying to to choke peacemaker to death Um, and seemed he was like really Really committed to it peacemaker does this in self defense essentially And you look at his face. He feels terrible about it. Oh, yeah It was clear. He's not happy about this. He liked rick flag It's I just I really like this character He has a clear set of principles, but he also has the sort of Conflicting feeling about what he has to do to abide by those principles And I'm really looking forward to the peacemaker show. It's like give me an entire show following this character. He's gonna be Right. Yeah, John Cena surprising the fuck out of us with Yeah going up against type Well, it's always mentioning a lot of people hate John Cena right now because of the Taiwan stuff Um, again, we do this with mel Gibson. We've done it with You know directors writers actors. We're talking about the craft here Really impressed with his acting throughout this film. I thought he was great Yeah I'm purely about and yet this was an actor This reaction because we haven't even gotten to what I think is the best part of the scene just yet But this reaction to knowing he's one and the rick's dead Just like really sad and you you you feel the fact that he didn't want to kill him. I would say Which is like they've managed to have this character kill off The guy that's unambiguously like the good guy of this conflict But you still feel sympathy for him like you don't you don't hate peacemaker No It's Oh, this is like it's it's one of my favorite comic book movie fight scenes Yeah, same. I love it. Um It's a good one. And so, uh, we get the formula line which in finesse This is one of the best death lines in anything ever. This is yeah scores very fucking high after everything you guys know in chat every you've seen Rick flags last line Is peacemaker Just nice little gap and then what a joke Yep, um Yeah, I adore this line like probably more so than I should but still I don't really care because I love it You could talk him out of for a while Little killman's delivery is on point and you also have John Cena's reaction to that it's like Yeah, so if if we can say that uh peacemaker is like peace peace keeping uh pushed to its let's say limit because that's like the idea He'll take it to the absolute extreme Which um a lot of fictional Well and non fictional villains are motivated by uh like the fact that other sort of principles like let's say truth justice How sacred life can be they're all outclassed by peace and it's just like what does that actually mean and where does that take you? and um The idea being that like the peace being kept isn't fucking peace at all. It's absolute bullshit It's the like he's sitting here with a with a shard of porcelain sticking out of his fucking heart Thanks to the guy's desire to make sure an evil government decision is held as a secret And and like what can you say about that other than peacemaker? What a fucking joke like look what you exactly you've done it's like it's Yeah, we've got a guy who has killed a hero in a pretty brutal way to Yeah to preserve something that is awful in pursuit of a piece that maybe What is that worth? What is this piece worth if it means that abiding by Hiding all of this and doing these things It's great. And yeah kind of perfect peacemaker. I can't think of a better line for he could have said You not only has got the the face going with the eyes But even like opens his mouth a bit after that line like because that you just Fucking shake down his entire life with that line Yep Fucking excellent work. It's one of my favorite payoffs I'm gonna and you know what I'm gonna skip ahead with super chat. Let's just come through to contrast that hot take You all are insane. This movie is terrible. What are you saying? I think you've watched too much garbage The barometer is broken I don't want I really don't want It to be understated that this is like really good character writing excellent content This is when this is when you're this is when you're doing very well If you can have a line really good Surrounded by a bad plot You like yeah, we like the describe plenty of bad so far. We're just like putting out some good material Yeah, so like the plot will comparable like the issues of the plot compromise the payoff But the payoff is still there and the character work is still there And they can be appreciated for like Yeah, I wish that the plot was better and it could have Uh bolstered the payoff here more But um Payoff is still good. Well, uh Another comment a bad movie can go ahead just so with with the super chat Although all we need to do because no argument is being made is go hot take. You're insane. The movie is actually okay Like what are you saying? Yeah, the movie is is Terrible, but like that's his position probably but just be like I think you've watched Uh too much garbage to the point where you can't tell the difference anymore and that your barometer is broken Like proving super chat's point cow in what way? Please back up your statements. Well, I mean it's just we've been through this a lot of times the effects out You've got to make arguments guys not even like the super chat didn't have an argument either It just what we've been doing for the past 10 minutes describing What we've been given as their values in history and how that's proven in stressful situations pushing their principles to maximum Make an argument about how this is terrible or shut up Like I feel like we've done a pretty decent job at explaining why this is good and I've been going into a fair amount of detail about it. Yeah Well, I guess the problem is like because I saw a chat earlier that said like a bad movie can have good characters The the problem is if the characters are good, that's worth a lot Like that that really helped push you up Usually the problem is that like a bad plot will typically have adverse effects on the characters I'm not being talking about endgame a lot But a clear example of this is they wanted their road trip through time And in order to have that road trip through time They needed the characters to make a lot of really stupid decisions True And that's that's where like the plot compromises the characters because they'll be smart and they're stupid They're meant to be responsible and they're very irresponsible all in pursuit of these scenes that they wanted Whereas here, it's like the plot is really bad But the characters are always acting in ways that make sense given what we know about them And that's worth a lot even if the plot is forked In this case, it's talking about really good work here Really good work in terms of character Characters acting consistently with their established motivations traits strengths and weaknesses Doesn't come from a vacuum. It does take talent to write that in even if The writer isn't so talented when it comes to writing the plot and connecting a to b I'm I'm so confused. Nobody's making arguments. They're just complaining like efap They're just ignoring what they've said about other movies now. It's out of character Tell us what's out of character first Example again, it'll be really helpful You can make the point of like this is the issue, but please attach the argument Like well because because someone said um, you have no idea what you're saying Someone said no you is my second favorite efap argument after you're just wrong So the super chat said you're just wrong So I said no you back to it because what else am I supposed to do? Claim claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence It's basically swap swap evidence for argument If you just say something without an argument, then yeah get out of here like a mo bmb studios What a joke. Oh, I I mean, I'm sure he has an argument. He just didn't put it in the super chat Sorry, I don't have a hundred dollars to tell you why you're gushing over trash. You can just put them down in the chat Yeah Why would you spend two super chats not telling us anything? Yeah, I don't yeah, you yeah, you What so okay? Fringy did it just now fringy just did he said what's wrong with the forcing the time plot Is it made everyone stupid and you'd be like what's the arguments like so there's a million things They could have done that was superior to that option Done. Oh that could probably fit in a one dollar super chat like it's you're fine. You'll be fine um I mean during the mission impossible e-fap. I didn't have to super chat every single thing We're also meeting chat. So you got yeah I like you don't have to spend money in order to have Attention paid to you as long as your points are substantive. So this is a point This is really lopsided because we just spent All that time talking about both of these characters and why this happened Why it was important the how it has to end with one of them dying and it does and what it means to both of them No, no Moller movies trash in your gay lol. Okay Like guys either Like I understand that there are limitations to chat, but what is the fucking point of just Pointing by making a blatantly contrarian point without any substance all you're doing at that point is being annoying You're not accomplishing anything We've got an argument now. Amanda waller is a joke gets randomly knocked out Why not blown the heads not random? We haven't gotten to that. Yeah, make an argument what we're talking about Yeah Right you said this before you knew whether or not we agreed with you on this point. We haven't even fucking talked about it So that's a really bad argument gets randomly knocked out as if like a random lamp falls from the ceiling Multiple times they set that up that idea up So I it was one of the things I was thinking about in my head when I said, you know We haven't mentioned it before but some of the things that they've already done Yeah, I've been very deliberately Making sure there's things you guys are aware of in chat that are going to be very relevant in a We're about to get like a machine gun set of payoffs in this movie. We're building it up. We're building up the tapestry, right? We're getting there. Yeah, um Let's go with rat lady. She couldn't start off with the super move in what context for which Which circumstance are you talking about? Yeah, yeah We're not well. Yeah, we're nobody We told you this we're making these arguments assuming we don't agree with them Like I thought the whole pro why are we focusing on this scene where that's what the conversation was about I want to know why this scene doesn't work Yeah, actually, that'll be the thing talk about why this scene doesn't work or else I assume you agree and then i'm not sure why you would be upset about the commentary Yeah, like you super chatted in this specific scene meaning that By implication your problem is with our praise of this scene, right? So why aren't you focusing on this scene? This is the thing we've already listed many significant issues with this film. So if we want to just do that we can But we're specifically okay. All right. We'll move on then. No, you've just said no You don't want to do it. All right, or not an issue with this thing not the scene. Okay, awesome So I don't even know why why was that right then? Okay, okay. So if there's not an issue with the scene, why did you super chat us saying That we're crazy and this movie is terrible if you agree with our assessment of the scene Well, I'm fine to move on at this point. Yeah, so I might if Like yeah, I just wanted to make sure we roll on the same page to at least sub degree. It's like, I guess we are Because I just came into the chat you just came into the chat. So you didn't even know what we would wait. No Just How do you know what all I heard where your initial takes at the beginning? Wait, like hours ago or right in any case that doesn't you can't you can't say that you don't even know what our points were They're moving on All right This uh Could easily be considered a contrivance of I suppose so that this this this area has several hallways Ratcatcher has made her way around escaping staro and she ended up seeing Uh what peacemaker has done to a flag. Yep, and she's grabbing the hard drive Which means she's now gonna have she's getting in the way too and since he just killed what he considers to be a hero um This is one of them Ratcatcher you better get a fucking move on because he will kill you uh No hesitation and so This the you know, this is the thing. He's right behind her. He has a gun So theoretically there's just no way she should be able to escape this she pulls her rat Uh device out as well. Um after realizing the whole place is coming down But it's too late. He's already caught up with it, which is reasonable. He was meters behind her And um we get another what I think is great fucking line from john senor again where he says I think he says like the data can't leave this uh this building. Fuck Like he ends the sentence with that because now he knows I have to fucking kill this little girl now Like he's pissed off that people keep getting in his way when he believes that what he's doing is 100 percent the thing that's going to lead to the best outcomes and so these people Like they're so stupid to not realize that this isn't this isn't going to end well For anybody if they do it their way and so fuck I have to kill them um And she she raises a really good point That makes me feel so much for this woman. She's like, okay destroy the drive. You don't have to kill me And I'm not even saying it from like a funny I guess you could say it's funny from other movies perspectives because they don't That they oftentimes don't consider the options, but yeah, this is this is quite serious for peacemaker because it's a girl pleading for her life. He just looks down His lip quivers He does not want to fucking kill her But he says it's because i'm thorough And it's like man. I i'm so ready to see this character like in his show And in addition to that he like that show is being written by james gun Yeah, so it's like hopefully he's being hands off to a shitty writer that doesn't know how to handle him It's like nah, I I have trust in james gun to handle this character now Um, yeah, and he says i'm sorry kid and then we cut to eight minutes earlier Did not see the shot go off because again, there are some people in chat There's one or two of them who literally are running on what we're saying as the storyline They don't actually know what happens and I just i'm doing it for those guys out there. Okay Cut to eight minutes earlier The other half of the team. Where the fuck were they? What the fuck were they doing? Let's find out We got um, they go to the higher levels and they're planting explosives in each one Um, and as they go into the next room with milton, of course, he's there. He's carrying a bag of uh The explosives with him We have king shark is distracted. He finds an aquarium um So I I don't know much about aquariums. It just seems like a weird place to have an aquarium It's very high up Like it must be fucking nightmare to get everything up and down to it. You know what I mean What were these fish as well? Were these like from star or something like the? Oh, well They're experiments, right? Everything's experimental here. So you're supposed to believe these are just so they are they're apparently a uh Like a species called clay racks Because I looked up the soundtrack for the scene and it's titled king shark and the clay racks Oh, all right. So they're actually real. No, they're not real. No, they're wait those things They just No, they they have Dude, if those things were real, we would have heard about them like holy I would have a fish tank full of them. They're hilarious looking They're like colorful and shit. It's great. Don't put your hand in there. They're such awesome little creatures Yeah, I love they they form together to you know imitate what the form of uh of king shark arrow Or oh, is it supposed to be a king shark? I thought it was like just an arrow like they were they were pointing upwards from the job I think it was just Okay, I think they were forming a king shark shape because it's trying to get to him as new dumb friends It starts running around laughing Yeah, a wonderful scene for king shark. He's just enjoying having friends. I'm so happy for him I'm so happy for him He's so happy with life I felt more for king shark than any character the dce you except for like the best characters in this film By the way, can I just compliment how great the the CGI looks on king shark throughout this entire movie? There isn't yet There isn't one shot where I thought it looked fake or digital or like computerized or whatever. It's just it It looks really good We haven't talked about it as well, but like weasel really Yeah He looks scarily I think like they focused they focused on making weasel as ugly as he did Like just in case the CGI didn't come out. Well, like weasel looks weird. He looks ugly. Yeah, that's the point Yeah Um, I was gonna say look at that. Look at that smile. Look at him. Yeah Oh, he's so happy Okay, particularly when he looks out of the the truck, I would pull it up I don't lose my place in the movie and vlc is a bit touched with that When they zoom very close to him, he looks fantastic the detail on his skin like it's Something else they're getting real good at that. Um So yeah, when you compare it to like black widow, it's like man What's going on? This was fun Yeah, I fucking hell as as you guys know We know the police or the security are on their way So they got to get to somewhere at some point surely and uh polka dot man drops the bombs The by accident, of course and unfortunately he realizes just as he does that. Oh god security And um, they shoot milton No S and chat Down goes milton A funny thing, right? I only actually noticed milton when they were um Breaking into the into the place. So I was just like wait, is that just a fucking fat guy waddling along along behind I think in the recording for us when when he gets shot. I was just like fuck that. Oh, yeah Because he's the guy who he's been here for a while. I think Uh phenomenal fucking joke It's very much the gorilla walking across the basketball court except for like several minutes Polka dot man wipes out the two people who shot him And then they have a back and forth that yeah, this is this is one of the other times I actually like harley's dialogue for the most part um He just says they got milton or something like that and you can see blood sport is like doing a curious phase of like And then I think holly's just like who's milton. It's just like You I think polka dot man stands up like out of cover just goes you are joking right now This is this is the exchange I was talking about and when when I said that harley gets a few lines That are actually kind of funny Because it's part of an exchange that's really funny and I think you swap her out with 80 character here And it works. Yeah, it works. Yeah, but also like it actually kind of makes sense for harley for this character to be saying what she's saying in the scene um Yeah, it's like, you know, milton's a very specific name I feel like I'd remember if we met someone called milton, which again feels very relatable. It's like, yeah, milton is a fucking Unusual name. You don't catch it that often around these parts. I'd imagine also so not to mention She's not the type that would really pay attention to the The guy following them named milton And I don't think if she's even personally met milton like they just Picked her up right before arriving to yotenheim. So yeah, he's not really quick. So it's like it's just makes a lot of sense Yeah, um, and I think that this was the moment Where the actor playing polka dot man finally became an actor to me instead of the weird looking guy who turns up in movies sometimes Um, still don't know his name. Sorry about that. The second name is a little hard to pronounce David death malchian or something like that He's doing such a good job of being a normal man who is invested in someone who helped them And no one's appreciating the fact that he just died for them. He's so upset about that Yeah, I I totally sympathize and they don't understand because they're just like, well, I mean who's milton And then yeah, let's pull his leg. Wasn't he back on the truck? Why did he come here? This is the funny thing, right? Like this is what what we do all the time. Like, oh, no Not that poor random dude that we barely know. Yeah, like you actually have a character in a movie doing that It's awesome And yeah, uh, her face looks bright because she's a good actress Uh, who looking at the body and then realizing who it is Again, I like that Oh milton Like this she says milton then she goes mil milton like oh, we all know Yeah, uh, again, margot Robbie could be fucking amazing as harley quinn if they just give her good material This is good material for her. Yeah. Yeah, funny. Yeah It's one of this great love affair in milton star. I liked him from the beginning And yeah, uh, it's just a nice bit for polka dot man as well because He's like he's like one of this great big love affair happened for milton then and he's like I liked him from the beginning like like there's no You don't have to have a reason to like the guy. He's a fucking he's been helping like it's just Yeah, you know, it's like polka dot man. He's a good guy. He's looking out for milton. Yes, he really is It's just so funny to think about it. It's just he just saw these guys kill some some people and when we first see him It's like yeah, I'll hang around. They seem nice Just bring some food or whatever carries their bombs Yeah Nobody notices that polka dot man and then he gets kills like who's milton, huh? Well, what's funny is I didn't notice milton at all until Of course, he dies and then I rewatched the last night and yeah milton is there the whole time Um, there's a lot of layers to this joke that works just really really well um But yeah, uh, so more security arrive and um almost by uh, I guess you could say like like muscle memory In a way just reacting polka dot man fires polka dots at them. Unfortunately the bombs were dropped near there Um, and there's the thing First of all convenient that he just happened to drop them earlier for no reason at all because that causes everything else to happen Secondly hyper convenient to have what are what looks to be like fucking 15 packages of plastic Blow up with their meters away when it's designed to bring down the entire fucking building And they survive kill any of them. Yeah Absolutely phenomenal plot armor once again, uh Because they show them getting tackled out of the way and it's just like shut up Like that's not gonna do it Um, so yeah, of course now we know the context for why the bombs went off early um And the the aquarium above breaks and all the water comes down into the room they're in Uh with king shark and the what did you call them clean access dry racks Fly racks. Yeah And now king shark is with his climax friends and i was gonna say I'll play the clip so that Oh, man, uh, I will play with audio such a such a happy scene. Yeah, look, he's with all his friends everybody It's gonna be great. He's so happy. Yeah. Oh jeez. No Uh, I'll play that much because of copyright and then uh, yeah So We got to explain why so like hit them jumping on to him is like, oh man Like, you know, the thing is this guy. He's a tank. So like a fish, you know, we're not really worried about it But I can show you this If if chat if you're looking close. He's got one on his face. Look at that Oh Blood is going everywhere Yeah, we were like see him get hurt for this character We were so when when he found friends Like and not even like friends in 78 quotation marks just that he was happy that he thought he found friends We were we shared in his happiness. We are so on board with just None of a um making it out. Okay. This particular moment terrifying This was yeah, this is never been more tense in a film ever in my life than at this moment When you see like piranha like creatures swarm a character and you see just blood gushing everywhere That's never a good sign. So we were uh, you know, just uh, just to make it clear So we have a guy whose main arc has been about trying to find friends And so he finds these little things and it's like, oh look they're friends. They're like my buddies And then they freaking attack him at the first opportunity. It's like man. Think about what's going through his head Like this this this poor guy's head And again also factor in king shark has like the mind of a child. Yeah, so Imagine this experience happening to a child Yeah, what is he thinking and you know just to just to make it clear, you know, batman be superman when like You know, batman's about to like skewer superman And like it's meant to be oh I cared much much more much more about king shark's fate Just considerably more than the fate of superman in that scene or Basically in any of the other films up until this point. And so it's worth mentioning like The reason we were panicking when watching this is because I know for a fact that james gun is more than willing to kill This character this way to make it tragic as fuck that the creatures he's befriended eat him to death I was just like, please don't make that the ending. Please. Please. Please. Please. Jesus christ Yeah, this is so unfair. He's such a nice creature He just wants to have friends And please don't kill the thing that ripped another thing in half. I love him. He's funny. He's he's endearing You know that semester solos voices Doing a lot for this character as well. Yeah I was terrified that we were going to to lose him before the end of the film Um, no Yeah, so we were all panicking what we talked about when we were actually panicking We were very concerned about the fate of this giant dumb shark Very invested and for those who are baffled. I know they exist out there. They're like, what the fuck? It's just a shock. We will explain in full when we get to talking about these characters till the end Exactly what makes them so endearing. All right, just for anybody out there who's confused I think a lot of people feel for the shock in chat. So it's uh Won't need a lot of explaining but we'll definitely do it because I have lots to say on all of them but um portion of the building is blown up and so It tilts and we get a split second shot of this I yeah, they just swam through all that. It's like, wow I'm trying to save him. Well, I was just gonna say this is actually my favorite moment for harley quinn in all three movies. Yeah Well, yeah Yeah, I love oh, yeah, but it doesn't make any sense that they could go through the water with those fish everywhere, man I don't care. I'm just glad that she's trying to help king shark. It's like I think that it's cool Well, that's again, I still feel like that's categorized as plot It's like she's lucky as fuck that none of them bit her and she's trying to help king shark That's her character. Her character is if her character was given that chance with her the plot being as it is I mean, that's a yeah characters doing what it's doing. Um, yeah This is the thing that you said I pointed out, right? Like Yes, this is like the most likable I'm not sure You I'm not 100% sure I caught it when I was watching it But you I think you repeated that she was trying to help king shark and it's just like that's enough for me to be like All right Where she just goes out of her way to try saving someone that's like so rare or with her character in any of these The dawn's light shineth upon her. Yes And um, so yeah, you can clearly see that king shark isn't dead But he still got them all over him and he boops out of the tower with the water and slams into the ground I think we were still all on the edge of the fucking the edge of the edge of our seats Like he could die at any moment. He could be dead at any fucking moment Um, and here he is struggling covered in blood Those creatures fall off him. I think the implication is just they can't survive without a body of water Um, which is fucking lucky in some ways, but yeah, he has many men open fire on him. Um And he just he just sinks into himself It's just heartbreaking seeing him get hurt. He's just been this tank through the entire movie and seeing people just beat on him It's just it's heartbreaking Yeah, he's just kind of kind of cowering and it's like Fuck yeah, and we're just like hold on buddy. Just hold the fuck on okay We're getting there. There's like just a tiny bit of relief like okay. He's like he's covering his face. That means he's alive Um, yeah, and so, uh blood sport is hanging out on the end And so like fucking 15 soldiers unload all of their weapons on him and of course they all miss because yeah Yeah Now I will say they are like a good ways of like a good distance away from where blood sport is However, the sheer number of bullets that they're firing. There's no way. There's no way the volley doesn't Yeah, it's more than I thought it was actually on one of these shots if I could just get it again the exterior one It's like 30 to 50 like So close It's insane Not one person scores ahead. He's so dead. Yeah. Look at the sparks. There was this right next to his head Look at that shot. Oh You ain't you ain't so if it was one guy with one gun I would still be like, uh, he lucked out, you know, if they're unloaded and he looked up But look how many It's like, yeah, you should uh stop He should have put his lottery ticket in that day like holy shit Oh, yeah Were they even like actually aiming down their sights where they actually Focusing were they trying to hit them because I feel like if everyone's trying to hit him They're not going to miss all their shots like yeah, you have enough. Yeah, if you have it Yeah, all those guys are astronomical that they would all miss Yeah, that is also some people are just curious about his armor. So we don't know At any point in this movie if his arm is good enough to block bullets It's uh, yeah, all we know is his helmet can block a hit to concrete or at least absorb it So like but Harley on the other hand. Yeah, Harley's just dead Also, even if you were hitting you had armor you could potentially fall off He's like holding like by just the slightest of grips if he falls the nuts it as well So very lucky that was there from the grab on too Well, well, so unless unless your armor is made of something like vibranium, right? Which can absorb all kinds of kinetic energy um Bullets when they hit armor We'll still like have a sort of like uh like a it'll knock you around So this would have knocked him down and he would have fallen to his death. Well. Yeah, sure Um, I just don't I don't even if you would ask me is his suit entirely bulletproof. I've been like, I don't think so I just I didn't think it was um, they don't show any sparks when this is happening on his suit Yeah, he just doesn't get hit to my understanding. He's just he gets off scot-free. Yeah, I mean my answer is I don't know Yeah, I I can't Yeah, I would I would just say that it looks like he wasn't hit because there's just no Bark or clip or or scratch or anything. He's just and you can see them appearing around him, but not on him He's a lucky boy Um, and yeah, uh, apparently someone needed clarification. Yeah, so king shock. This is if official definitive information He's immune to bullets. He's strong enough to deflect bullets Um, and so earlier like I said, it doesn't really matter if he was using stun or lethal rounds king shock would have survived them and someone's Trying to tell me that bullets don't have much power to knock you around So what I mean by that is he's dangling off of this ledge here and if he gets hit by into those bullets, they're still Uh, you know, they're still kinetic energy. They're still concussive impact to them We should be seeing some shot and you're wearing a bulletproof vest. Those things can like break your ribs Like it's They showed it for king shock all of the deflections and his skin rippling and like, you know, they They did the work for that Why why have you why have you cursed to be with knowledge? A snider school Oh god, and it's specifically about army of the dead Yeah, there are four episodes Man thinking what he could learn from snider about how to make a movie like army of the dead One thing I just Thought of with king shark, so he's Not getting hit by bullets, but he has these bite marks everywhere from these fish thingies I just wonder what their their fucking teeth are made of That's the thing you have to conclude when you're showing stuff like that that they're a fantasy creature with teeth that shop It's like We'll shop at them, right? Because that's theoretically possible, I assume that if It's themselves aren't sure but Because I check for these things and this is the jet the first first time they ever appeared in any of the dcu stuff. So Yeah, guess they're just teeth It's very powerful teeth. Well, the thing that when you invent a fantasy creature All we can do is people think that's a stretch. It's just like what do you want me to do? It's made up. It's like saying nanotech's a stretch. It's just like it is a stretch It just is But like we're being told in a sci-fi environment. Is it something they invented? The important thing is that it's just internally consistent doesn't break something else and it doesn't really as far as I can tell You rank it in like a power level It's like so if those things ever buy anything in future and fail to cut through and it's something that's weaker than king shark Then we would be like so that's fucked Um, and yeah, there's got to be something to this like with physics and how bullets work versus Sharp like knives or whatever. There's got to be something um To in terms of how they apply their force and their penetration. There's got to be a difference typically yeah, like uh, what's funny is um bulletproof vests oftentimes they can't like They can't stop a like an arrow or a crossbow bolt Um, that can go right through a bulletproof vest that would otherwise With sand bullets fairly well Um So yeah, king sharks pretty pissed about everyone shooting at him and he tears the head off the guy who was leading them Uh, which gave us a big sigh of relief. He's okay. He's getting back into it guys. He's he's not dead Gonna be all right And in fact, he's pretty chill after he's gnawing on the guy's head I was half expecting him to like just rip through all these guys Yeah, uh Like by himself and I would have liked that but then he just kills one dude and is just gnawing on his head Like an apple and I was all right with that too. It's fine. It was a would have preferred full carnage Um, yes, yeah, then we get a cool moment But again logistically confusing They start to tilt more than ever and that is when they get their opportunity to start running up the other side We were like, yeah, this is like the worst. Okay. Is the least leverage you've ever had Yeah, it's not even a struggle to stand up. I was like, yeah, we go to run now Yeah Also this leap at the end here like it's like 30 feet or so Hey, Evan is foreshadowing that she has super leap powers because she does that like three times in this ending Fucking ridiculous. Her leaps are hilarious. She has like she's clearly on some crazy levels of strings I'm not exaggerating when I see it looks like 30 feet. She does like 30 foot jumps. It's like, how do you do this without superpowers? That is so strange. Yeah, that's uh, that is ridiculous And so I'm sure that someone else's already brought this up and I apologize if I just wasn't paying attention, but like they uh, it wasn't that steep when they were struggling and then it's getting steeper and steeper That incline and they're able to run up it easily. Like really? Okay, it's called a plot slope. It's as steep as the plot needs it to be So polka dot man lands on a secure bit of debris. Um, she climbs up after she's got a javelin in the wall and gets it out Unfortunately the debris that um good old blood sport is on is not reliable And he falls and he activates his grapple And uh slams into a wall and loses his helmet. Um And just just have some another relatable moment of the grapple starts to lucid and he just goes, oh fuck sake It's just it's just not going well for him um That reminds me like nathan drake commenting on his shit luck while like climbing crumbling, uh, rubble and shit and And uncharted. Yeah. Um, but this and this plot armor that takes me out of honestly everything in this sort of stuff, but um In terms of just being like so they should be dead They should be dead But this one was one of the most like jarring in terms of me being invested him his his grapple hook breaking I care about him quite a bit blood sport And I know that despite the plot armor this movie anyone can still die at any point as soon as james gun decides it So i'm still worried about him And so his grapple breaks and he falls significantly far enough that I now know As as as how gravity works. He has to be saved in some way shape or form that isn't just landing But he lands And he just lads and he's like, oh a few and i was like, what the That was very high It's like four stories and it's like that would definitely break your legs or you would not be standing up to not if you Oh, you're dead. You're you're like you're like you're dead He has an odd superhero landing and it's just like you're a human. What the fuck you're you're tall, but that's not all Well, no, I mean, I that's that's that's that topic. I just we'll move on to the next one. Don't worry So When when um when this started happening I was like is he going to flatten peacemaker? Is he about to like is this rubble that So all of yeah, all of us didn't say it, but we all had the same concern Which is he starts falling level by level by level with a platform underneath him growing, you know by one platform every every level And so probably like which is insane that that happens. Anyway, absolutely fucking insane crazy nonsense Um, I could not help but laugh in the theater. I was just I don't blame you. Yeah, it looks it looks like looty tunes and tom and jerry here like It's that exterior shot that does it for me where you just see the floor Falling down Yeah, and then I was worried like oh Is he actually gonna flatten peacemaker and save ratcatcher? Like are we gonna get something that stupid? That was the nightmare scenario that we none of us None of us said because we were all just paying attention because we knew that that that sort of confrontation is coming But so he's just falling and falling and we like you could picture the frame of peacemaker just getting flattened And that could be it but um no he lands peacemaker sees him And uh, this is one of the moments of all he has zero context for why any of this has taken place But he sees peacemaker is aiming a gun at ratcatcher too And I think you know which side bloodsport's gonna take by in-stage And uh peacemaker knows that too. So they both take aim and shoot at the exact same time And um, I guess I'll try and let it play here and uh, then we can have a chat about it Oh boy. Oh, well. Yeah, give us a sec. So they both shoot And God damn copyright That happens No, um I think Let's get the actual the first floor out of the way, which is that um incredibly convenient that any of that shit happened to get bloodsport Where he is it's insane. Oh, yeah Fucking crazy. So I feel like a better version of a scene And I can't give full specifics is like if uh, if there's like a door or a doorway or something and We know that bloodsport is established to be in this exact area Um, I could see him just simply rounding the corner and Happening upon them in this room like no matter How we change the scene bloodsport has to happen upon peacemaker and ratcatcher too There are solutions for all of this. We've talked about this so many times across e-faps whole things Like that's the fucking hard part. It's the part that takes a while It's the part you have to wrestle with for a while to get all this stuff working Or you could just have him fall through a bazillion fucking floors Right to the exact confrontation that we would all like to see and see what happens And you could just do that I guess. Um, could you do that? So, yeah, a scene should be over the top to work. It is a masterpiece of excess. I disagree That's just okay, so anyway, um Now both of these guys at the top of their game That's how they've been described and they said they aim for the center My take on this scene Talk ball about it if you want the way this makes sense to me and I said this is in the recording straight away It's just like this makes so much sense to me. I believe they both aim For the center of the eye like between the two eyes the bullets connect nanotech piercing beats The the bullet he's got there whatever rags. What kind of bullets that is the cold Thing the the nanotech bullet. No the other one Is that a holo point 45? a holo point 45 Um, and so it smacks through because they're both hyper accurate Which means they're both going to shoot pretty much the exact same direction if they're uh It's just gonna be dead on is my point And then the clash of the bullet is enough to put the nanotech bullet off By a slight margin putting it into a peacemaker's neck um Unless you would argue that they both aim for each other's guns to try and destroy them and disarm them and that it was just successful Um, but that seems to be the best explanation for me to make this payoff happen Is that they both tried to kill each other by shooting both of each other directly between the eyes the bullets clash One of them is victorious as Was said as in their opening lines to each other And then it just puts it off course enough that it goes into peacemaker's neck Um, but I think it's 357 actually Thoughts know it's 50 automatic right right that they established that because he's got a deagle Which means it shoots either 50 or a 357, but I think he says 50 right or was that no, I'm thinking of the movie you showed me uh, uh, yeah, uh So I probably 50 or a 357. I don't like big fairly big Oh, sorry, I read something. Yeah, and he says, uh Um, how and he says smaller bullets, which is what He's keeper told him in the beginning. It was a nice little, uh, setup payoff Especially with nano tech bullets. It makes sense that those would likely be smaller um Meme just posted it's all good. I'll take my apology at a month when y'all come to your senses So we are Uh, 20 minutes away from the end of this movie and there's nothing we've said so far that I think requires clarification in terms of pros and cons So, you know, let me know Not to mention that we've gone over a lot of problems like we're a lot of them I think we're being very fair here or not just gushing about this I'm I'm still like torn because there's there's more good in this movie that I remembered and I definitely I want it to be more distant from the rest of the dceu in terms of like ratings Well, it's hard because this plot we're at the point of so many payoffs that I think just give it a Sec, we'll we'll have all chats about that in a second, but I was just gonna say what it So what's everyone thinking about this particular payoff? What do you think so? I think um, I think we talked about earlier how like there's meant to be this sort of Not a direct mirror, but like that rat catcher, you know kind of reminds him of his daughter I think it's like a pretty clear parallel here in terms of like what he values um In terms of this situation because yeah, like you said he has no context for this But he immediately commits to this decision and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that he would do this I think it's a cool payoff. It's a shame how we got there But um Thoroughly in character for both of them. There's no problems there. It's just the plot that got them into the situation Is it it reminds me of um, yeah, it's you know, like just I I literally just pluck Jack Sparrow the Joker from the dark knight a tywin and blood sport and I drop them into a cube and then drop I don't know a fucking Like some juice an orange juice machine. I'm just like what would happen. Let's see And it'd be like, I mean, it's none of their fault that this is the plot It's not really like what can we say about them? It's just it's just uh Someone's asked about like about wouldn't wouldn't peacemaker be dead And I think all I'd say is like, I don't know people have survived Like being shot even shot in the neck maker did it's it's pretty clear that he died this scene Well, yeah, peacemaker's definitely dead. Oh, I I guess that's one we could skip forward on if you guys want to There's no real reason not to Earlier we mentioned a movie called extraction we did and extraction has a similar thing happen Um, well, um, it's it's ambiguous as to whether Tyler Tyler takes more damage than a peacemaker does, right? He's shot. Is it three times or two times? Um He's shot once but the sniper and then another time in the neck by the yeah, and then he falls into the into the water Um, it's by a much bigger bullet. It looks this looks that's thing. This looks like a tinier bullet It it probably gets slowed down a bit by the there's a the thing that works against this is that a lot of blood's coming out Yeah He's also not getting medical attention immediately and none of that southpaw. He has to get He has to get the fuck out of that building in the next 10 minutes or he is definitely dead. Oh, yeah It is very contrived that he is alive. Yeah So I like Tyler rake a lot and I will watch extraction too. I'm hoping it's a prequel if it's a sequel I'm gonna be a bit bummed out what I thought we're talking about piece. Well, but I'm I'm I'm trying to like just sort of drop parallel here. Um, Uh, I it's like with peacemaker I'll be are we just gonna let the cat out of the bag about Whether or not he survives this is that is that already basically I think so. Yeah There's no reason to hide that one. Um piece maker does is in a hospital by the end of this film. Um He's getting a show. That's a sequel to this. Yeah Uh The thing all we needed to determine was is it possible that he could have survived this and everyone in chat Feels the need to tell me that people have been shot and survived. It's like I am aware of this I five everybody. I am very aware of this. Do you know how likely that is? And that means no, John Cena is incredibly lucky And what what's that you all the very if you get shot and live It's likely because you get medical attention pretty quickly But something like this where you lose that much blood You're left for dead for that long and in the building that's crumbling is just I don't Have gotten out of there the big thing is that star where it came out of here like that Yeah, well to be honest with you that might actually be more of a problem than I previously realized because Let's just get these shots It looks like he pops out where John Cena's body was Yeah, so you've been you've been shot in the neck and then a kaiju fucking 9 11's the building that you're You're in so 11 11 it flies into the building More like it's more of a reverse sign 11 because it flies out of the building So it's just this is how I'm how I'm feeling about both this in extraction too Like I like the character and I'll be happy to see more of him But plot wise this is bullshit. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, if you compare those two shots I think John Cena is dead very dead This is obliterated There's nothing he's doing about that He's He's squibs There's no yeah, there's no way this is worse than I thought it was like he's dead. Yeah Or giblets. We went from in extreme unlikely hood to no, that's just a hole now Yeah, that's impossibility He is a puddle of blood like he is what we saw happen to Peter Capaldi. That just happened to John Cena Yeah Agents on the island that they didn't tell him about and they just happened to pull his body away before star got out and That's split second Well, I mean, you know, it's not a plot hole Maybe when he got flung a piece of debris got lodged in his neck to like seal the wound I fell onto a mattress Yes, it was no it was it was the air mattress crew from Sherlock remember that. Oh, yeah, that was That was a great little little meme Yeah, that's the plot hole. That's just a plot hole Yeah, and again I don't buy it like I like the character and I'm glad that we're gonna get more of him But this is bullshit Like well, I think that's the big thing though, right? This is highlighting precisely like the main issue with this film plot is absurd But like this doesn't hurt peacemaker as a character And he's he's as you said with any games there are times where it does There are times where they force characters to make stupid decisions in order to make certain plot things happen But this movie's been pretty lucky, dare I say in the all of these prop problems for the most part I don't I don't know. Uh, you haven't finished the film yet. Um, they don't Effect the intelligence or the values of the characters, which by the way like someone like black widow does it throughout Every fucking decision everyone's making is entirely out of character So like I guess I guess it's different from like peacemaker. I don't know. He has a gun on someone He chooses to close the distance and that's how he dies. Yeah, it's like you've destroyed his competence to kill off the character That would be an example. Yeah, um, especially if we got that like, you know, several times We'd be like so peacekeepers done maker is done Um, so, yeah, starro erupts from the building giant starfish and it's very much a moment, um He gets out of there the everyone sort of managed to make room for it, but it frees frames of it just says suicide squad versus starro Which is fun. It's cool. It's just a cool job. Yeah crazy starfish Streaming there's um, I was I was on smud cast once just one thing quick The human body can take much more than most people think of it has protective systems people can also suddenly die Because that's how shitty the human body can be twofold. It's it's really twofold. Some people survive Incredibly dangerous things and other people die over very spontaneous combustion Like with action movies, um It is just a kind of like a convention of the genre now that the action hero is going to have a A slightly bigger health bar at the very least But there's limits to this um What's funny is I was on I was on uh smud cast when I found out about the existence of starro like from the comics, um And I thought that was intensely amusing and so to actually see starro in a live action film uh like this is uh Oh, man. Yeah, um james goes he he went balls to the wall on this one Well a sentiment that I have heard and you guys are just gonna be Because we're just not the comic people guys in chat. We are not the comic people Okay, so this is this is gonna maybe offend even you but it's just so funny to me Some people are very upset with how poorly they've adapted starro Because starro is supposed to be much stronger than this and he's supposed to be a justice league enemy Not a suicide squad enemy. You fuck. Okay. Oh Okay, let's how about we talk about how uh Comics accurate these characters have been thus far. Let's see king shark king shark is doesn't have a childlike brain in the comics So he is quote unquote assassinated in this adaptation I'll do you want some better. I don't care Yeah None of these characters almost none of these characters are consistent with the comics We don't care. They're good characters in their own right adaptation I'm sorry that your giant starfish from space called starro wasn't treated more reverently. Well, the funny thing is right I'm just gonna be starro with this. I was about to say I was As much as you might bitch about it. He's kind of a top tier dceu villain He's a top tier dceu villain. He's better than steppin wolf. He's better than he's better than lex luther He's better than zon. He's better than all of these guys. Well, this is all the worst starro in this film. Yeah, zon is the worst He's so uh, he is he doesn't have like the emotional complexity of max lord. However, he doesn't have the World breaking shit that max lord has either but he also there is that final line that we get from We'll get there and I was gonna say I'm not gonna spoil it. I'm thinking about max lord is if you remember when we were watching it We got lost on max lord around like early third act. We didn't know what he was doing At first and then yeah, he fell off a cliff Well, and then there's been lines of dialogue that starro has spoken through the people that he's possessed with like the mini starfish um that You know shows a bit of this again This is a a monster that has been or an alien rather Um an alien that's been held prisoner in this yotenheim lab for 30 years and has been tortured by the thinker It's like this is a kind of tragic force of nature that we're dealing with here um And the way that he speaks through people is uh very haunting. I'll just say that Um, there's still some people in chat was they like infant as he is supposed to be more of a threat I'm like you're not listening to us at all anything I'll say it again I don't care What he is in the comic books By the way comic books get over it You know what you should like honestly Compared to fucking mcu taskmaster you guys got off very fucking easy. Yeah Yeah, what if it was a female starfish? Starly And here's the thing right you can still see Oh, sorry. Oh, uh, so in this no, no, no Oh, yeah, so um in this you can still see why starro is a good justice league villain even if um by necessity of this group He might be a bit weaker because you can see a he's got all the he's already a big kaiju So that's already like a worthy team threat But b he's got the whole mind controlling innocent people thing which would Introduce interesting conflicts. So the core components of starro to me are still there. It's more just I'm a power level thing and the thing is I don't blame james gun for some of these limitations because guess who fucked it up in the first place Zack snider. Zack snider chose not to use starro. So bringing in starro now Um, you kind of have to make these concessions if you still want to play in this shitty god forsaken necrotic universe Let's let's go through. Let's examine. Okay. So rags only cares what chocolate starfish is not true clean your butt Rags complains about amazon lord of the rings. Just say the source material doesn't matter All right, so this is what's called applying your rules equally to everything. That's why that's what that's why we call it God forbid a standard, right? If amazon lord of the rings Doesn't adhere to the source material, but it is in and of itself good Then we will say exactly the same Darn thing that we say for everything else. It is good and it is a bad adaptation Is that will be that and it will not change because we are consistent You could make that argument for any book or comic to movie and we often do. Thank you Shining is a horrible adaptation. That's still a good movie. Hey, hey evan batman the animated series Its version of the joker is terrible and i'll tell you why because in the comics He doesn't have a girlfriend named harley quinn Damn Yeah, exactly or that he's not adhering like he's not adhering to the fifties comics where he was all goofy This is the problem with using comics. Is there arbitrary since like there's so many different comics and iterations of characters So there's no consistency really yeah so The big one for me and i feel like i have to bring this up every time A lot of people like hill house holding a hill house people lots of big fans that hold in the hill house All's great. It's good. It's good. All's good. Yeah, meanwhile Man these fucking movies that don't get the comics source material right no respect to the fans a lot a lot Go check but we did this when I first ever saw hill house. I was like, what do people think about this awesome show I'm to be holy shit. There's a lot of 2s and 3s and 1s. What the hell and you read them Oh, man. This is a common sentiment Holding a hill house practically spat on these source material. It ignored it completely It just took a couple of character names and told their entirely their own story You could say it disrespects the source material Exclusively like there's nothing else to it because it practically said fuck off. I don't care about you I don't really see that argument popping up very much for hill house probably because people haven't fucking read the book Oh, well So much for that standard Cw shows don't follow the source material. So it must be awesome. Yeah, I feel like What the hell No climb as to whether it's a good or bad thing to be different. It is a neutral thing It could either be good or bad Yeah, you could be different and be good and different or be terrible Just go something is the same as something else or different than something else that in and of itself isn't enough to work with Yeah, see that's our point that it's actually irrelevant whether it's different Like that's the point I mean it inherently will be different to an effect because like if you're adapting a book or a comic Like you're changing the media form. So you're gonna there's going to be certain changes that you make Yeah Can I can I can I really like something that you you sent me a while back the the idea of Take lord of the rings, right? We have the same peter jackson movie trilogy But in the 1800s there was a comic book called lord of the rings and Everything is the same except that the fellowship are all women of varying histories and saurons also a woman And saruman's also a woman Okay, now peter jackson comes along and makes this film series But it's exactly the same as we see it the fellows like the characters are not women. They're men So that's not faithful to this suppose this hypothetical like version of lord of the rings. That's different, right? um, but The the films are good because they stand on their own They're not good because they're faithful to the source material Well, yeah, and nor would we all know for a fucking fact that if that was revealed that if tolkin had this horrible history That no one knew about where he accidentally he he killed him He killed the fucking guy who made the comic book in the streets because he read his stuff And he's like this is really good. I just hate the fact that so many fucking women in it can be only one Yeah, and I and I don't like and just just think of a bunch of changes that you see in all kinds of comic book He's like fuck all of this bullshit tins out. It's a really fucking good comic And he just took it and then he wrote his books and then those were adapted It's like is anyone really gonna give a fuck? They're not gonna say lord the rings is bad now They might say it's disrespectful and it's built on a really shitty history, but they're still phenomenal movies and phenomenal books I'm sorry the existence of a comic book that is entirely different wouldn't change a thing in terms of how much people love those stories Yeah, I don't I don't give it Hollywood what I don't I'd say it's the opposite of turning We don't give a shit about like what came first Yeah To clarify the point in case people were confused Imagine the lord of the rings the book and then lord of the rings the films that came out by peter jackson And we're like, oh man, it's amazing and a great adaptation Then imagine there's a secret history that the lord of the rings the books was actually based on a hidden comic from like a hundred years prior Does all of that content retroactively become bad because you discovered that it's a bad adaptation The answer is no Yeah, we we've said it before the secret history is real An analogy Yeah, so hypotheticals aren't real. That's part of what a hypothetical is Jesus Why god damn James things quality and it's adaptation accuracy. Those are two different things Just you're just gonna have to accept that I don't know how much more simple this could be because lord of the rings is like super beloved So what if I just said the book lord of the rings? It's the matrix you read it It's like so this is just the matrix. How did you peter jackson? Fuck this story completely. It's like yeah, okay, but lord of the rings is still good though Now james more in the discord also said dude Sorrow is more of a fucking threat in this movie than the comics and the comics people can recover and live After being infected by him in this movie the second star gets on a face. They're fucked. They're gone. It's fucking over Yeah, as far as we know He is a He's a terrifying threat Yeah, they they'd have to explain something or do something but yeah, it's it's got to be internally Internally consistent. It needs to it. It's its own thing. Well, yeah, we just eventually appreciate It's such a remind people of what we do here Yeah That's a hypothetical that changes the order of things. That's a cheat. No, no, no, no, no, no So the the point is that like If you How can something change in quality based on the existence of something else? Well, wait, I can help you it's like from before it It's almost like their argument is you've retroactively invented this thing So the the results would would have been different because that didn't happen You know what did happen the hillhouse one and look what happened. It's praised. I'm sorry. This happens People don't always read the source and so they can't criticize the adaptation They just watch it and assume if a whole generation of people watch the movies without realizing There's any books for lord of the rings. It doesn't matter how fucking disrespectful they are They'll just feel like these fucking movies kick ass Yeah, and of course the the simple thing of like I haven't read the book. I watched the movie It's like oh the the movie is amazing. I'm gonna read the book and then I read a book and it's different It's like, ah the movie's bad now. It's like that's just not how how is that possible? How was that in any way a system that can work? and then Like I don't you want an adaptation to be better than the source material and would that not therefore necessitate change In least no, I want it to be no We're already highlighting There's like 17 arguments that destroy the adaptation thing is a standard because of what you've just highlighted A bad comic should it be adapted faithfully and then does it become good content? Because it was adapted faithfully from a bad comic You are defending legalized theft and vandalization moller Well, it's the thing I'm I'm not against that as a possibility. I think that we should be consistent call hillhouse of vandalization then Exactly, but it's a great story. It's a great piece of content. Yeah vandalization or not. Yeah I mean if we but the problem is that I get the impression that the person who said that would not accept that statement of It's fantastic vandalization. Maybe but it's fantastic Like there is a want for it to be like, well, no, it's not good because it's a bad adaptation I just I don't think that that's if that's not what you want That's a totally different story and that's totally fine because people have preferences There's a bit of a difference between projecting that preference onto the quality of the story itself That's entirely all of this comes back to staro should have been stronger like should he have been Should he yes, that's a that's an interesting word should ought Um someone highlighted by the way, and I'm just showing it now uh the Smoke that comes from the two guns of these characters Uh I think on blood sports It's uh, I don't I dare I say this it's more normal. I don't really know what's normal for smoking part of a gun um, but peacemakers I showed it briefly that I want to get a better shot for people. Yeah. Oh, that's huge Well, it not only is it huge. Oh my good god kind of looks like an eagle Oh Yeah, that's kind of if I could just show it again. I guess that's pretty fucking cool It is a desert eagle. He's shooting Just a stack on a real desert eagle because it can't shoot through everything, but it's still pretty good He shoots through most things Well, you see blood sport shot through a bullet that came out of a gun that can shoot through anything That's pretty impressive. I missed it again. I'm bad at this Hopefully you guys saw some of it Yeah, I did Okay, I'm not gonna miss it this time because I can go frame by frame bitch. Look at that Yeah, that seems very deliberate I like it. Oh, yeah Yeah That's awesome. That's cool. Wow Freedom That's what that is. It's a neat little small detail man. Talk about a neat thing. Yeah, good good shout from chat Yeah, I never noticed that and I saw someone with a sad face and chest saying I really want to know what happens next because we were like They follow the storyline through this Like like the bar scene in this movie and then that person in chat is king shark sitting in the van Oh, come on. It's okay chat. All right. Yeah for those out there. Let us let us continue the staro gets out Yeah, and releases as was shown prior in the movie the uh, like little staros Let her know before that you gotta highlight they they unload on with guns all over him to shoot He's a yeah, he seems to be immune to bullets Yes, his entire body his his arms his eye his body just bulletproof completely bulletproof that one Yes, just want to point that out. No. Yeah, that's good. It's fair. Um, so He releases as many staro things that just latch onto people's faces and make them permanent sort of like extensions of itself Now this part is some hot bullshit gravy. It's uh, yeah, you get there are like thousands And at one point rat catch two puts her mask on and so This little thing these things tear your flesh apart and apparently just gives up. It's like, uh, you've got a mask on don't mind Like oh, man, literally It's a it's a metaphor for corona Just put a mask on put the mask on So she puts that on and it fails and then she tells our team. Hey, you just got to cover up your face I guess no one else heard this because everybody dies accept the main characters who put their hands In front of their face. That is it. I feel like that's just the obvious thing to do is to cover your mouth once you see Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'll just get lucky It's like no one's to a side squad member gets gets starfished It's and you you watch it and you're just like again How many plot issues are they gonna be? Jesus Christ? Like what the fuck is it? Oh, you're so lucky. That's the only time that staro does that right? That's the only time that he spams like the the mini stars when he could have done that throughout the entire third act. It's like Yes, um There's nothing to really give away why he didn't keep especially when he was attacked by the suicide squad at soon after I don't know if it's on some kind of timer. He generates offspring over. Well, not offspring. Whatever these things are considered um But there is At least in this moment, they all survive that mysteriously Um, but suarez is down the military leader, which means the remaining military people are now in charge And because again these guys are apparently hyper retarded. They're all at gunpoint from the rebels And the rebels are like drop your weapons or you know stand down We're taking over and they all go no fuck you and try and pull their guns And guess what happens which is gonna work about zero times They all get killed It's like yep, that's what would happen and Uh, we're shown that staro is now being broadcasts worldwide on the news So That may just create some problems for us. Uh, do we know the current situation with superman? Well last I as far as I know the only line referring to him is that dead shot dead man Blood blood sport blood man blood shot blood guys blood blood blort Uh knuckles is that knuckles put him in the icu and I think that's the only line referring to him How long ago that was and the seriousness of the condition. We do not know no clue Um, it's so that's a lot a lot of people say he is for the sake of this It will to help the movie sure you could say he's in the icu but that is incredibly convenient that he's apparently still in there and uh, I guess he's just indefinitely in there because how long ago was blood sport put in prison for that Well, think about it, right? Superman recovered from the kryptonite fart gas rather quickly And he was cut by a kryptonite spear and he recovered from that fairly quickly as well But I guess it depends where the bullet Hit him or where how do you know where it got in and how do you perform? Well, I actually how would you perform surgery on him and I actually said this in a call But like this could make for a really interesting movie But like what if he was shot? And I don't know if people are aware that he draws power from the sun in the dc universe yet But what if like the doctors the government and everyone they gather him and they take him inside to work on him So he he's not got the sun to help him recover quickly And so he's like in a an extended state of unconsciousness while the kryptonite bullet is still in there and And then the government are considering whether or not they want to remove it You know, there's there's a story that story. Yeah, he's he seems to be incapacitated Is that for better or worse? well, so Or because they because they can't Operate on him. I guess or they don't know how he just has to naturally heal. So that takes a while I don't know. This is all up in the air. Yeah, we got nothing for it. Well, we got nothing. We don't know This is an I don't know territory Rags question like how you could operate on him, but they still have the kryptonite spear, don't they? So if batman has the spear and he knows that superman isn't the icu then surely he would Like bring the spear over and maybe if that just even if you could even if you have that Seems like it would just hurt him even more I wouldn't be surprised if normal stuff operate on him works better on him when he's under the influence of kryptonite as well Right, like there's a chance of scalpel might work when he's got kryptonite Maybe he could be because he's an alien and maybe they just know he's stable So they don't want to fuck around with him. This thing. There's a story there that could very well explain Why he doesn't turn up here, but we get fuck all for it Uh, also wonder woman is still here. You still have shazam Shazam your wonder woman sword that can cut doomsday. So this is the thing. Um, I think it's fair Relatively to rule out batman. So I'm not sure you can get you're in time Um to have seen him but the others I would rule out batman Well, because you'll have like a bat, you know, plain whatever, but uh, I don't know that's enough And I don't know wonder woman doing a standard flight is enough to get here in time I I think shazam should be able to get here in time probably Flash definitely that's a similar even here's about it. Well, if you're taking a nap if you're just yeah, yeah if they're asleep, obviously Yeah, I mean This is in central america and it's daytime. It'd be a daytime in america. So you're probably awake Probably but even even if you were awake if you're not watching the news that much Because this is like 20 minutes. Yeah, it does. That's the one thing the movie has going for is this conflict starting starts and stops relatively quickly But there is a concern That uh, this would alert some people Um, they would they would know after the fact But I'm totally fine with the idea that no one is either close enough or aware enough soon enough that they would be able to Get here You know what I actually think would be kind of funny is if like after star was defeated Zachary Levi's shazam shows up. Yeah, and he's like, oh gosh, you know Oh, you guys have already gotten this taken care of and it would fit for shazam. I guess to act that way I'm feeling my superman superman had to fight side by side with a person who put him in the icu Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah um So, yeah, uh, it seems like starro kind of Let some go. It's like this is my world or this is my city or whatever He says it's a suicide squad and then walks away without crushing them And so I'm fine. Well, so this is the thing Um, you might as a as a as a viewer of this film be like star. Why aren't you killing them? But like you could infer that starro could easily Believe and kind of know to a degree that they're the reason he's released Yeah, and they are Um, maybe it's just like look you don't bother me. I don't bother you Maybe Yeah, just if you think about all of this from starro's perspective All these weirdos show up the building breaks. My captor is Delivered under me so I could kill him and get my revenge These army guys you don't seem to be friends with them Well, especially if it gets the knowledge of the people it takes over it would know that the suicide squad did actually release him Yes, um technically Yes, as far as the people yeah as far as the uh El Salvadorans, were they conquista marista? Um conquistadors ultimultesi A corto multis The the falconese people. Yeah, they just as far as their Yeah, the the suicide squad showed up to release starro or break him out or something. Who knows but yeah Which is fine. Yeah, I'm fine two clarifications that are worthwhile So first why does starro send a star to possess ratcatcher 2 and the rest of them if he's chill with them? You could write that off as they were all launched and they go for targets not necessarily sent to specific targets Um, they might individually, you know controlling until it latches onto a brain And second is the thinker outright said that they'd a barium didn't they like so He fucking despises the thinker and once you get the consciousness of the others you could infer that Um, they didn't even know starro was really a thing There's there's ways for starro to be like look i'm out leave me alone you guys I wouldn't be here if not for you. I think this deserves dialogue I think I Yeah, he could be like I appreciate what you've done, but that's where it like, you know, this is the last chance you have Especially with final line. I feel like as much as I really like it It sort of means that it deserves more dialogue with if you know Yeah, i'm really kind of I like it and i'm also asked in the questions. Yeah. Yeah Forgot to mention, um, if superman had been able to show up He could have sent starro into space Well, that's a shame, isn't it? Yeah That's the thing I restored him to equilibrium. Well, that was uh, that's to be discussed It's like someone might ask like wait. Well, so why is starro doing this? It's like I think starro's pissed and starro can't get back to space himself We're talking about uh, an alien life form that was basically plucked from its natural habitat And then held up prisoner and experimented on and tortured for 30 years Yeah, I can buy him being this pissed off. That's the thing If you remember all of he's been tortured for three decades or something. So it's like He's probably pretty pissed All I wanted to do was float around space Look at star stuff and even um him controlling those astronauts You might notice he was being held down by zip ties meaning that that might have been a self-defensive move to begin with And so, um, our team are told there's a fucking really bad line that I kind of hate around here. Um Where are you It's uh, it's basically the the suicide squad are like now what? And um, they ask waller like well, they tell waller first of all what's happening And she doesn't really seem to be that surprised. She's kind of just like well, you know Um, and then they're like suggesting that they try and do something about it And she says if anything the white house will consider fomenting a hostile environment in a developing nation a positive development Which is not true at all. I don't know like this this This specific context. There's no fucking way the governments of the world are like, so there is a giant starfish A giant alien starfish Stringing inside country giant starfish kaiju It's like, oh, they want this like they would want this like no That's stupid as fuck. I wouldn't stop at that city. Just fyi I mean, I would further believe the us would just be like launch a nuke. Fuck it up. That's uh, Whatever because there's no we don't want this thing to uh To go anywhere else to do it if they truly didn't give a fuck about this Uh, I don't know island. Um I still think that other governments governments would be like we should probably do something about that starfish I feel like the easy one is you know, us has never had particularly great relationships with cuba If cuba was being destroyed by a giant alien starfish I feel like they'd want to do something about it before it gets to miami. Yeah, I think of what it could do for Yeah, they'd be like, yeah, we could send it could improve foreign relations by saving them from the giant starfish Secondly, it's taking human prisoners as like it's like You know assimilating them. That is a terrifying prospect to any government. They're like, oh, shit The alien is assimilating humans. We better get it They they get they get superman on the phone. It's like superman. There's a giant starfish kaiju That's destroying uh, corto mounties is like, yeah Well, my dad told me to be with the children died like but there's a ton of collateral damage That's being caused by this thing and that's that's a big thing too. It's not up to waller. It's not up to her The justice league will stop it Well, eventually tell the man that lowest lane is in that area Tell tell superman that he can destroy as much as he wants to to kill this thing and he'll be like, all right I'm on it. Yeah Now let me get to eat it Yeah, and this is the wall is Seemingly high up in the government, but she's still beholden to like people in the pentagon from the first movie So that means yeah, there's going to be someone who outclasses her Someone's got to pay the bills or she is Yeah Is the is the eye because like you can't argue that she's not telling anybody it's the well It's on the news. So the government are going to be away not to say by the way I'm not sure the government would have scrambled anything to get here within the time that it takes to kill it And so that's fine for a plot view. I just find it fucking absurd that waller said Now the government would want this you're like really though. Yeah, I don't believe that Yeah, I think it'd be funny if uh staro just like Wandered into the ocean and it just sank and then it started fighting aquaman and all the kingdoms that are down the ocean Giant starfish destroys aquaman's lances. Yeah, that'd be great It takes takes down the rest of the crab kingdom that was not killed by aquaman um So the suicide squad decides to leave and then blood sport has a bit of a change of heart And he's like, oh fuck's sake. We should kill it And then um, yeah rat catcher two says uh, but they'll kill you and he says that's her business Uh, basically concluding. Yeah, okay. If she kills me for this fine. Like I I can't not do it Uh on a principled level. He's not going to let the starfish kill all of those people I like that. Um The rat catcher two is like, oh, I knew that it was good at you And he's like just keep that rat away from me. Just like stab the sort of Yay And then he's like we're go friends He's going to join them too And then Harley has a realization about the the javelin And uh, polka dot man goes with them as well. And so this Fucking infuriates waller. She's very upset And she goes to activate everyone's bombs And all of her analysts are looking extremely anxious and awkwardly around Until one of them fucking hits her with a golf club Knock you out. No moller. She gets randomly knocked out. Remember? So this is wit I I was gonna say I didn't want to go ahead of it ahead of time, but why would someone call that random? That's that's bizarre That's something that they call that at least twice set up Yeah, and and they're explicit like these they say like these lackeys of hers are like when this Is limits. Oh boy. She because she says all of those people and then I think someone says like, you know fucking hell You create and then she just goes little kids It's like, yeah, once again, there's children that are all over Quarter multis and they're all gonna get killed by a giant starfish unacceptable. We have to do everything. We kind of help them It's like yay, of course, they knocked waller out. She's a fucking bitch Yeah So I don't the inverse the FBI same from the last one It's such a simple concept have characters concerned for the livelihood of children Yes, it's a hard one for people to you know, like people don't like seeing kids suffer It's just the thing it shouldn't be too hard to clean you can infer that in a city like this There's probably some children a lot of them here in there There'll be a lot of them I'm being kind of sarcastic So, uh That means that the Suicide Squad are free to attack them They have the help of the analyst team to direct them down particular streets and stuff And it's like, oh boy, let's do it Because it's like, yeah, wall is out and um So the first approach or at least the first thing uh Bloodsport tries is shooting it in I guess close enough to the eye with like his full Gun his rifle Yeah, like the eye is the obvious weak point that you aim for This thing I had a change of heart on this I used to think It's kind of dumb that you'd even try knowing everything you've seen before but then it's like is it though It's probably worth trying Like yeah, I mean if you've got his his gun seems more special than the fucking standard one So it's worth giving it a shot if you're saying so there's a very clear weak point on that thing like a Giant video game boss. So might as well try shooting at it, right? Yeah, we've already seen that it's immune uh to regular blows with with trying and yeah And he has this this whole seed where he's Attaching pieces and pieces of the nanotech is slowly building up the gun and I just want to say Uh, when we were watching this movie Capital opinions was not a fan of the the nanotech stuff. What this seed happened. I was like, no, I love it You know, it's it's that it's the kind of uh transforming technology like an iron man or like the transformers movies Like the first transformers movie is is fun to watch because of all the little moving parts and iron man as well has has that little I don't know. It's aesthetically pleasing to look at in Um blood sports gun has the same sort of thing going for it. Yeah And uh, I actually saw uh, because this is obviously an isolated vision of this on youtube just the clip of it And um, so what are the colors to say in the spinning end is apparently like a thing for weaponry where it'll It'll help with the kickback and knockback and stuff as a form of a gyrosphere gyroscope or something I don't know if you know anything about this rags. I I don't know anything about it, but maybe That is apparently it's not it's not just style is apparently reasoning involved with that even even if it's that's not real I can at least buy that even in like at least in a internal comic book logic sort of sense Yeah, you could probably invent any kind of reason sci-fi wise for why that's doing that. Um Yeah, uh, he shoots it a bunch of times not really working and then they all back the fuck up and Blood sport does the thing he was supposed to do this whole time. He starts giving everybody he does a captain america moment from avengers Where's um, except he wasn't prompted by Iron Man. He just went he says Harley go high uh King shock start trying to eat it And polka dot man. Well I think I'll I'll I'll play that one because I really like it But while we get into that point I thought it was bizarre as fuck that he just says go high for for the holly They must have talked. I don't know what the plan was They must have talked prior that his plan is to toss that thing and he's like, yeah, get a better spot. Go high That must be it. That's all I can gather. Harley's Harley's wire jumps too is uh, oh, yeah, that's another epic wire jump Um, all right Yeah, here we go I'll just get it get it right So that's one of my favorite deliveries Interest album is fantastic throughout this movie, but uh, yeah, he's really good. And yeah, just The polka dot man's face. Look at that shit I love this That's your mom What a bizarre fucking climactic moment for a boss fight. Yeah, so we We see his mother is star. Oh destroying built Um, oh, it's it's honestly a really good payoff Yeah, so polka dot man Gets his courage up and attacks his mother Breaks off a leg which in reality is one of staros Uh, what are they called on a starfish one of its things 10 leg leg Schloss And it's screaming and we get a payoff for polka dot man. He shouts i'm a superhero which is You know, that's what his mom wanted. That's what all this happened for and he actually does care about people So he's not a guy who vomits polka dots and has to struggle in prison and stuff He's a guy who actually is oh my god starfish arms are called rays Oh, I didn't know that look at what? Rays so ray. I didn't know okay But yeah, yeah, he uh, he destroys evil monsters. He cares about random people He seems to be a he is a superhero to me. He likes milton. Yeah. Yeah And uh, so the dc used first superhero. Yes, and then this happens Um Oh, yeah rip and um, just get full. I feel exactly the same way as blood sport Just yeah, he's gone Um And there's a question the question is how do they not see staro coming into well, so it's more of um They have constant plot armor and then star decided i'm gonna kill you now Yeah, um Because last time I tried to hit blood sport. They did notice it. I'm gonna give it to to polka dot man He wasn't looking he was he was looking at his leader saying i'm a superhero. I'm a motherfucking super and then Be proud of me. Well, it's staro must have like moved very quickly and silently. I guess I'm not sure how far away he was Uh, because if you look at the next shot, it looks like he leaned over staro. So Um, yeah Sad face, uh, it's one of those death rows thinking about could we not have kept him alive? He was such a good guy That's the thing I'm upset when a character dies because I want more of them But i'm really glad he got to be a superhero, you know, I'm glad that he was happy Well, so, uh, I found out today that James gun was originally going to kill off a certain character that doesn't get killed off here. I don't know if It's fine to disclose. We can talk about that a little bit later. Well, something that doesn't happen I should be all right. Well, no, that's the point, isn't it? If you if you say what could have happened then that confirms that didn't happen in this version So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna just put a pin in that then so just So yeah staro's like doing a roar of I guess celebration for killing polka dot man and grabbing king shark and toss him into a building And then uh, we get what's pretty cool scene. I wish you were a little bit longer Sorry, I'm ignoring the Harley plot armor scene. Fuck that shit. You should be dead again. But whatever your harlequin She's fine or about it. Um Blood sport realizes that he's surrounded by the uh, the guys have finally caught up the the zombie people And yeah, um, he goes through basically all of his tech trying to kill them and uh, it's just really cool I've got to say about this one. Yeah, I like it Um, I wish you were a little longer because it was really cool to see that he has a I like it when characters have a sword on back up Rather than their primary when they do jobs like what blood sports are doing because there's gonna be a time where that might come in Super handy like it did there and uh, I can believe he would carry a retractable sword basically sure But yeah, and then rat catcher tries to do something she's drawing way too much attention And so staro goes to wipe her out and he tackles her out of the way to save her And then well, it's just throughout the scene really got some crazy levels of plot armor because There's a lot. This is much like that other scene earlier two modes to go on first consistency we spend a good five minutes of Probably around that of staro not crushing these two When he probably should and would Um, yes, he's got a he's got a minion saying this city is mine to them. I don't know if that's staro trying to say go away Yeah, like rather than just crushing areos being very unclear with exactly what he wants considering that it can talk to them So it's like you'd think you'd try to be a little bit more clear or even have a dialogue with them but it just doesn't yeah, and then rat catches Free long enough to essentially pull in every rat that's likely on this island Yeah, that's a lot of rats. Um, like good god It's a lot of rats Holy Yeah, um, they'll that's gotta be like hundreds of thousands, right? If not nearly like look a lot of rats I wouldn't be able to estimate it properly because there's just too many like Um, but of course they crawl it all over bloodspot. He's losing his mind But uh rat catches got her arm over him and they start crawling all the way up staro And um, I think we get this is where it sort of cuts in she's uh, she's tearing up And we get a we get a quick thing on what she's thinking about which is her dad And I love this. I love this so much. I think everybody loves the line. Uh, so we we cut to them just being together and uh Basically she asks him why rats assuming you have many options and uh He says that uh rats are like the most despised and lowliest of creatures in the world And so if they have purpose then so do we all It's a really great one. It's the one line that taika waititi gets in the whole movie. He nails it. There's only one. Yeah This is the thing. I like his work. He's a fucking great actor too He really is never disappointed Insanely Um, and so yeah, she says as the rats are crawling all over staro, uh, we have uh, Harley Quinn He does a man It's the whole like they have that little line for her to be able to jump out It's like inviting her to jump into the staro and it's like, oh man She's gonna do the thing. Um There's so much to say I guess but yeah, Harley lines up And smacks right through the eye pierces a hole with the javelin And then the rats crawl into that hole Also, again, so this is the thing. Um, I'm I am now to believe that this javelin is A form of a fantasy javelin like it's got a sharpness to it. That's not like a normal javelin Yeah, it is a special javelin from a guy called javelin. So I'm fine with it being special Remember like her tech to control rats is insane like that And so it's just like, yeah, can you believe that this is a special javelin? And I think maybe the second question comes in of well, but wouldn't it have been nice to have had that line in there somewhere? So I'm going to be like, why'd you use a javelin? He's like, this is a very special javelin can cut through anything That that literally It depends on how you execute that line But yeah every day javelin I mean, it looks just like this is the thing There's literally nothing implying that it isn't until this scene when it all of a sudden becomes magic So it's like that was my problem. I was like, wait a minute. If you rewatch the movie knowing it's the sharpest javelin ever Nothing changes True enough. I get well sharpest Not normal not well. Yeah, again fantasy javelin. It's the sharpest javelin's ever been because it's From nowhere She got it from a super villain super hero who is javelin I can buy that it implies his javelin is a special one because it's the only one he's got and he it's his namesake True enough I'm settled on it until they give me a reason not to think that that's the case It's a special javelin until they say no, it's just a regular javelin. I'd be like, oh, so that's bullshit then I Think special you have to stretch that because we're talking something that is either like insane technology or Why do you think that's a stretch? But you don't think any of this other stuff is a stretch because it's a bulletproof Alien is the thing and like the javelin was never set up as being that way. So it's like I it was Yeah, king shark is bulletproof, but the the cryrax is still Uh We don't know anything about this javelin other than it's implied to be special I mean the man's dying words were that he needed to pass this javelin on to somebody His javelin's so powerful that he got arrested and put on a team meant to die by wallers Like so having a good javelin does not stop you from being arrested I don't know why you would think otherwise You see I'm willing to accept it as a fantasy piece of gear or sci-fi piece of gear depending on which way they went with it Um alongside the rat controlling fucking we plus remote Or playstation plus remote. I don't know what that is. Uh, the nano tech We do plus. Yeah Yeah, like I If if someone was like it's bulletproof, so it should should be javelin proof I just be like I think it is javelin proof, but that's a special javelin for what I gather Regular javelin proof. Oh my goodness. I've got don't worry guys I got the best fucking rebuttal to all of your javelin arguments. Are you ready? Are you ready for this? It's a kind of no man javelin stuff is stupid Okay Thank you for your contribution Um axis just said Earlier harley pushed the javelin through two layers of but technically four layers of body armor, right if it's two guys Oh, yeah Yeah, the sharp javelin That is quite the javelin He's super strong. We don't fucking know So, yeah, um I know that that's a huge problem for a lot of people The the javelin shouldn't be able to pierce the eye, but I'm mostly okay with it I am too. Yeah I don't know for me I don't know questionable. It's no less absurd than all of the other stuff. We're presented with in fact It's one of the more believable. I never said those things weren't absurd is the thing I never said that you said it was even sir. If you want to get pedantic He didn't say you said that we can do it. We can do it. But don't try to out pedantic me Little something would have been nice. It's like early on I really don't think it would have taken that much to explain you have to agree They made a big deal out of this javelin like it was okay. Yeah, okay. I've got I've got guys. I've got I've got the fix here This is javelin. He's got my bag. No I would highly advise not getting killed by him. His javelin pierces anything We're not talking about something that's insignificant here. This literally defeats the villain. So it's like this is pretty What I was like, so hold on I want to I want to address the joke thing because we had the whole thing with a peacemaker a lot of the time his stuff was jokes But it was meaningful just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not relevant or meaningful Also, what killed starro was a combination of polka dot man the rats the javelin and Bloodsport's leadership, so Yeah, but the javelin's what allows the rats into the eye. They would have that's pretty much what I just said This is a special is clearly a special javelin. I think it's obviously a special javelin And looking at the larger universe, there is a precedent for magical objects being able to cut through Um, you know obscenely Um dense material like Wonder Woman's sword for example Katana's blade. I'm pretty sure was stronger than Actually, I want to push back even harder. I would say it's the rats that get the kill shot It's not really the javelin like the javelin alone wouldn't have done it I have a rat's definitely get the kill shot. Yeah, but the rats like get into the eye Is the thing they like go into the blood vessel? Well, yeah, but So so wait, so you're saying that like we we then give the wind to the javelin rather than the rats I mean it's a team effort That's that's that's my primary position is it's it's all of them working together Which I think it's great if rats don't enter starro's eye like yeah, I mean I guess Harley could try to cut through the veins of the eyes with the javelin She drops the javelin as soon as she enters. Unfortunately. You could see the rats come done it when they went up there I don't know Well, that's the thing. She would have been seen by a rat catcher So I and they were already heading close to the eye to begin with so it all it all lined up to me Like um Because a lot of people I've seen people say like how fucking embarrassing it's defeated by rats I'm like, why don't you try have millions of rats? I understand that you said rats, which is plural, but we need to emphasize the plurality of these rats And the location of these rats they're inside their brain I'm gonna if y'all haven't played it. It's pretty decent game a plague tale innocence There's a lot of rats in that game. It's it's pretty good. It's it's not it's not gonna Not gonna blow you away with puzzles or anything like that, but it's it's a fun playthrough with very gorgeous. Um, It's a nice game to kind of go through So we'll for scale though on the rats thing like a million ants versus you Like those million ants stand a really good chance Yeah, then someone goes how embarrassing for you you died to ants like well I don't know why anybody would say it's embarrassing to die to ants if there were enough of them And in the right place if there's a thousand ants inside your brain. I feel like that's a you dead Hey Free endgame story hinges on a single rat how embarrassing that was maybe maybe the dceu takes place in a parallel universe To the mcu and rat catcher guide of the rat They're all good rats. Maybe yeah, she guided the rat to get them. Oh, man. I I'm not even sure if that's In the script. There's so much wrong with that movie What you haven't got the rat in the in the script this year the I've got it I've got it in my notes, but I'm not sure if I put it into the script. You're gonna say that one's a Fucking for I don't even so sad when I saw that in the cinema. I was like the rat The whole movie hinges on this rat Hey, listen, even even the smallest person can change that's true You know, really the true hero of avengers endgame is that rat that bailed Scott out of the is this implying the crossover of the dceu and the mcu No after after uh Sylvie killed kang and opened up all the the the multiverses and shit You got you got the dceu lapping over with the mcu. That's the timeline. We're oh, no Jesus Christ We've almost been going for six hours Oh, my god It's taking us a while It's taking us a while I didn't I honestly if you'd asked me to guess the time I would have said three that that really went quick I'm flies when you're having fun. Well, that's the thing. I do have a lot of fun with this movie. So Yeah, yeah Um staro staro dead That's Yeah, I mentioned about the stars and it's like oh man. Yeah, like staro kind of he uh, he did not get a good run in his life He's he's kind of it's kind of just that last moment of like, oh man Way to make us feel pretty bad about all this. You just wanted to go around in space. Why couldn't you've been left alone? Yeah, it's it's a tragic situation like yeah, I feel bad for star But at the same time he did have to be taken down Yep for well, that's what yeah, that's the tragic part about it's like it's really unfortunate But like we you can't exist in this world Yeah Well, that's the tragedy. Well, if superman were able to show up He could potentially carried staro to space as I mentioned before that's uh All the type and save people that's not his repertoire That's true. He would never take pity on this on this alien that you know is Taking to earth against as well. He would never ever take pity on something like that. He wouldn't sympathize with Any life form like that? Nope Someone said his seven guys referring to us and every single one of them missed that p.m Meaning peacemaker said he was on a side mission from waller and it had nothing to do with his character development And he didn't make the decision based on beliefs wrong Very very wrong Yeah, that's wrong. Um He has taken orders from waller saying that you can't let this day to leave this room But he says when pushed when pressured about the children It's not about waller anymore about you've got to keep the peace at all costs And this will keep more peace than it won't to uh maintain this hard drive We didn't mention it because it's just not as important compared to what he believes in But i'm afraid in fact you can argue that waller Yeah, you could argue that waller chose him because yeah He knew she knew that he would keep his end of the bargain because of his underlying belief structure. Absolutely. They're interests aligned. Yeah Yeah, he says waller charged people making sure none of this data leaves this area. That's his opening gambit It's his non-personal He said it feels pretty fucking personal when you've got a gun on me And then he stresses the children and he's like look fundamentally. Yes What they did with the kid it's not about waller's charge at that point He's making an argument of just ethically. Can you really let this happen? They killed children experimented on and then he's just like Sometimes you have to make some great sacrifices to keep the peace It's really good In case we haven't made that clear So our team hook back up. They're all okay There's there's a bit of ban to this with mentioning. Um, it's a little bit. It just comes across a little flat Harley's sad And he's like, yeah, I know rick said he wanted to get the hard drive out there But um this way means so to give context uh dead Fuck blood sport dead fuck dead. The blood blood sport is told waller that if she kills any of them Um, or does anything to his daughter? He'll release the hard drive online um So they're free and they can't be attacked or whatever and she's agreed Is there a reason why waller doesn't just push the button on all of them right because you'll release Why would you take that chance if they're released the hard drive? You're in a lot of like if they're dead Did they like upload it to make it automatic or something? So just all you got to do is think a little creatively here So we don't know how much time has passed between staro dropping dead and him talking to waller Um, and wall is awake by the way So we could infer it's been a decent chunk of time since she was hit with a golf club and stuff All he has to do is get to a working computer upload it to a friend And then tell them if you find out any of us are dead or my daughter goes to prison release this I guess They don't not I guess they kind of frame it like it's around the same time I mean that that's the thing is that's what you do Like he doesn't say it explicitly and obviously he doesn't need to say it explicitly, but Well, the helicopter to pick them up arrives right after so like I think this has to have been a significant chunk of time all right Significant enough that he could set up something and it could just be the automatic thing of like I need to press this button every 24 hours And if I'm dead, I can't so and and ultimately Wall has been knocked out. She doesn't know what they were capable of doing. Why risk that? Yeah It's not worth it. Just let them live Yeah, it's super risky because they can Or because they can block mail you if you got if they got that then who knows what they could do Basically, you lose all your leverage. So yeah with those people specifically I like do you think that trumps the release of the hard like what do you mean? Like if you were in the room with wall already said they've got black and they've got coverage of you now It's just like yes, they do that's the idea. They have something that I think would destroy the u.s. If it was released So yes, they have leverage over me Um, and that's the situation both ways, I guess It's gonna be a matter of seeing how wall may play this in future. I don't know Mm-hmm Did I was was someone saying no there? I couldn't tell. Oh, no I was I was saying no in response to what Evan was saying Okay, um The suicide squad holds all the cards now basically Yeah, and and it was particularly smart move on blood sports part And it makes me really happy that he's no longer a puppet for someone else and I want to see him do his own thing I don't know if I'll see blood sport again, but I want to um Yeah, or blood sport. Yeah, and so he says like This is a good outcome. We saved the city and we've got blah blah blah But she's sad and he's like, I know rick was your friend. He was mine too But like this is this is the outcome we gotta have and I'm just sitting there like Man, I actually believe the friendship between rick and blood sport more Than I do harley and rick like even from that one moment where they're laughing together That was enough for me to believe their friendship more than anything I've seen for rick and harley Yeah, uh, if they were going for something between those two they did not convince me They shouldn't shouldn't have split them up They shouldn't let them have their own little adventure together where they can talk about stuff and tell us We're tight now. We did like 17,000 missions together and You're the perfect opportunity in that opening They both managed to escape that beach with plot bullshit and then they both go on their side adventure But they they bounce off each other the whole time And do your best to write it. I know you can do it You got a straight man who's gunning for his principles about making sure the worst things in the world stay under put And she's just crazy. It's like there's plenty we can do with this Absolutely, and you can make it so that she actually cares about him because he saves her life a couple times or whatever um Yeah, and then she's like I can be your friend and he's like, nah, so I don't even buy Smart man a smart man. Absolutely. Uh, and you know, they see in our way And he's like looking to he keeps pointing to all the corpses and saying dobb dobb They're just like no um Yeah, and they get on the helicopter And you get some nice sort of we did it looks from everybody and something that's wonderfully satisfying to watch rat catcher falls asleep on um The gnarway and and he smiles There's a girlfriend They're adorable in this movie and uh, Sebastian wants to cuddle up with blood sport and he's freaked out at first But he comes right down and I think he smiles as well All these he like he pets him too, right? Yeah, all these journeys And the movie ends on the shot that I think sums sums up the movie in general a good rat Yeah um Yeah, and I guess probably uh, so it it almost cuts to credits, right? At least I think you think it is So it's the suicide squad. Yes. And so we're like, that's it for the movie But then suddenly Look who it is Oh my god So much this probably bumped that this is a talk about a good move Let me actually say when we watch the beach scene when they said when we said like weasel was killed off immediately We were like, I I don't know how to feel about this. I don't really like that because uh, I didn't really say I didn't like it Yeah, they made us really like it for the weasel immediately killed them off and we were kind of like We were kind of reluctant to get into the movie at that point because we weren't we weren't sure what they were doing But this this like lifted up our spirits even more than it all they already were like Yeah, ah and Yeah, it's my the chair My viewing my repeat viewing of the film was greatly bolstered by knowing weasel will be okay. He's just he's taken a nap Can I just point out that the little chuck the literal child murdering weasel is more likeable than the entirety of the justice league You don't know the context of those Maybe those kids were little shits. Who cares? Yeah It's almost just the nature of it being dragged onto the mission and drowned. It just seems unfair like You know, you know what I really hope is that the 27 children that weasel Killed an eight The children on the bus that clark pulled out of the Yeah He aids the bus of children to keep his identity secret. It's like some final destination bullshit Weasel is actually the reincarnation of jonathan and weasel indeed lived um Weasel's out there and yeah, the the after credit scene is just confirming peacemaker is indeed alive and he'll be in his own show And that is the suicide squad Yeah True fact when they fucking cut to the icu. I thought that was superman for a second I thought he was just gonna give like a really pained thumbs up Oh, like yeah star was defeated. He's like, oh good Oh, so so the um Oh, yeah, like especially you go like, oh, I want to congratulate the leader of the team that Help take down the sword. Yeah, that would be great. Um Now what's funny is so I said that there was a character that was originally going to get killed off that James gun decided against killing off That was rat catcher too. He was originally planning to kill her off But he just couldn't do it because he really loved her journey and felt like she was the heart of the film So polka dot man took her place on the uh sacrificial altar If it if it will it would honestly, um as much as I was uncomfortable with pokémon man's death I would have been very uncomfortable killing rat catcher too. I'd have been like damn dude really. Yeah I'm I'm quite happy keeping rat catcher to alive and uh in exchange for polka dot man's death Yeah, ideally. I mean harley would have been fucking dead. So That would have been nice Um out of out of curiosity and fun If you could all from left to right Just just the name of the character who your favorite is in the movie if you managed to figure it out If you didn't I guess named more than one because it might be a draw or whatever I'm just curious what the results are if uh, Evan you want to go face Just my favorite character. Yeah Uh peacemaker I wasn't gonna prompt just go left to right. You can do it. Um, I think bloodsport bloodsport That's a type of team peacemaker on bloodsport rat catcher too I think We're sebashin. That's the name of the rat, right? That's the name of the rat. Yeah, I do like sebashin quite a bit Um, it's either bloodsport or milton No, it's it's bloodsport. Um, yeah Well, if I I'll discount my bias for anthropomorphized things so staro and weasel would win otherwise So it's definitely bloodsport for me Yeah, all right. Well, yeah, I was just curious because um, I think it makes sense to people go with bloodsport But I honestly think that the trio that was hard to pick between for me was peacemaker bloodsport and rat catcher too Although all three of them were actually that's my trio And then Factoring in king shark is still great. Like he wasn't in the top three, but he's still great rick flag is still great. Um Well, so maybe Yeah, let's if if you want to do a quick sort of conversation about each of these sorts of characters Because I think that some people might be a little bit lost on exactly what's so valuable about the ones that have less Sort of screen time slash development Why do people like king shark? Why what what's the can we only do as good as well? He's funny or he's relatable. Is that the best we can do? What can we do? Well, they're Well, I I think the there's part of the relatability in there and that it doesn't matter who you are or what you are There's an aspect of I don't have any friends That's that is very very relatable. There is an approachable aspect to that and You feel because of his Stupidity because he has a stupid character um That he can be taken advantage of in a way that isn't that that doesn't feel right and you want things to work out for him You want him to be happy Um, there's a part of you that the part of me that feels at least that he's just kind of He's kind of swept up on all of this and he doesn't really understand it in a way and he doesn't have much to latch on to and So you want things to turn out all right for him and there's also The aspect of he clearly displays emotions and there's He's you know, he is a he is a character and he does learn and You know from the things he's told and people to reach out to him and he responds positively to that And you want things to work out for him? You want him to be okay in the end? I think animals generally and children benefit from an aspect of us believing as Fully developed adults that we're like those things they are less developed Or at least less capable, but they're also a lot more honest in that sense There's things they want and need and if they provided it they will be Happy and that process is very satisfying to watch and knowing that in a sense of his id He just wants friends Is some of the most like it's just so Like like like more so than like food and water and oxygen and stuff It's incredibly endearing that this creature just wants someone to talk to and be friends with Especially because like he is a Like appearance-wise Like in universe, right? He's kind of off-putting like why would you want to befriend? A great white shark man hybrid that has developed a taste for human flesh basically um And if he can't join the others in the little like Night of partying at the bar because he he's too conspicuous um There's a lot of like reasons why he's socially ostracized that makes sense. Yeah, but he's still humanized Uh really really well Even as a shark man And you look back on the most damning scene he's in of nearly eating someone It's supposed to be friends with but it's it's literally just because he doesn't Believe he not only that he doesn't have friends But he has the capacity to have friends question mark I think he's come to terms with the fact I think this informs the book reading That um, he's come to terms with the fact that nobody wants to be his friend and that sucks But maybe if I read a book and i'm smart, maybe then people will want to be my friend And I think that's what's going on there. Honestly. Why else would you be doing that? There's a child there's like there's a childlike aspect to him when he's like this is a hand Look, I know what a hand is and he wants to he's seeking the affirmation of others Yep Like he's satisfied with himself when somebody else acknowledges that he Knows what a hand is there's that that's a thing that kids do Kids are like look mommy a window and you're like, yeah, that's a window and then the kids like yeah I fucking nailed it. They feel great Also That's something that I see very prominently in Nanay, Nanay Nanay Come on, you're even calling calling me. Nanay is his name. Yeah, everyone calls him Nanay Jinx shark is his name. Nanay is actually his name Nanay is his meaningful name. That's his title. No, you got him backwards. Nanay is the meaningful day That's like saying king of england. It's your name not george Isn't isn't it the case that like the the when you're like dukes and dutch just like that's a part of your title Oh, like that is part of your official name Oh king in our way. His name is Nanay Yeah, everyone calls him Nanay in the story. So I'm going with Nanay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure some of them call him king shark No, they yeah, but everyone majority of the time then 80 percent. Okay, also when When um, when rat catcher two is you know reaching out to him to be his friend. That's what she calls him. She calls him his name Yeah, and I think he he responds more to being given his actual name rather than king shark Uh, I'd imagine king shark has this like element of ridiculousness to it Um I was gonna say I wouldn't go that far because they've all got names like that. I keep calling him blood sport, right? I don't call him robert. I for somehow robert seems more ridiculous than blood I mean comparatively Comparatively to being called the nahway. I don't know Um seems like his seems I'd call him by his name. Yeah, I think that's a decent thing to call a character by their Uh, so and I didn't mention as we're going through but when uh, when she's falling asleep And they're falling behind when they're trying to get into the jungle and stuff Um, they say like you got you guys got a speed up about polka dot man and rat catcher two, uh Uh, king shark immediately they go for you. I'm helping you out king shark immediately says Um, I carry friend And then she's like that's okay. No, no way. It's just like, oh Try to help out Yeah, that moment where he's like holding rat catcher up to his mouth I'm about to take like a chomp out of her head and then he realizes that he's busted. He's got that Kid with a hand stuck in the cookie jar Caught look is yeah, I end in the friend jar Also making the model of out of a plastic of peace maker Yeah to him that moment like that was some good stuff again Like that's that's kind of reinforced over and over and is trying to like impress other people Like it's those little things that like He's trying to make friends with basically and doing gestures. Like that's that's something that's relatable And yeah, and I believe that by the end of the film he believes that he finally has friends now And that's yeah, he's gained on this adventure. Which is why by the way I would totally be fine with anyone picking him as their favorite. It would make sense to me Yeah, but I have considerations as many of them are That's the thing. It's it's actually kind of tough to pick a favorite. I fucking love it when you're in that scenario. That's great I'm definitely there Because I've seen people pick rick flag just for just for that fight at the end Yeah A part of me was considering just uh jokingly picking harley at first just uh That's a mess with every one Didn't even really convert expectations jokes are funny Yeah What what I have in my notes for kingshark is um kingshark's loneliness and desire to be accepted often shown through quick Yet effective shots of him needing to hunt to be hidden away Give greater insight into his character than words ever could he may not be the brightest But he clearly has the same underlying desire to be accepted that we all do And it's heartbreaking that his outward appearance is such a hindrance for him Absolutely, he's fully fledged. He's not some kind of side character. You've got plenty of references to work with Strong through line. He's great Thumbs up to no no he's good shit Yeah I feel like we've pretty thoroughly been over The others through the analysis. I don't know. What do you guys want to talk about in the relation to this movie? um I guess I mean Are we gonna cover videos talking about how maybe this isn't good at all or that the original was better Most of the stuff I've seen has been positive for this film Generally Yeah, I don't think there's many people saying the original was better than this one. They're well Snidoids one person I saw totally say it The snider people I see the snider people claim this movie failed because snider people have boycotted it, which is hilarious That's pretty funny You imagine they thought that they had that kind of power Is it as if there's not something very clearly happening right now that might explain it And I feel bad for that by the way, uh, I feel bad the this film will be considered a failure compared to the fucking 2016 one um, I mean Snider noids wish that they could you know be as Effect the world as much as a different disease Um, you know, that's that's a conversation we should have like There might be some people still confused in the audience like what the fuck is happening e-fap about literal ones to care about the plot And they've defined the plot of spaghetti. They've gone over all of it. Why don't you hate it? um The way that I feel like we've tried to go over this a bit before The way that I see a storyline, you know when you like unwind a really strong rope and it's made up of loads of threads Like that's how I see a storyline is constructed of many threads. The plot is one Individual characters will be one The wheel buildings like consistent sort of it's like the wheel buildings a character throughout and then this applies to like The thematic through lines as well and all of these lines if you have like one guy in one room for the whole film You're probably dealing with like one line. Um movie like this we've got several characters Um that I think are incredibly strong and consistent and then you've got a plot line that's in complete tatters What does that mean when you wind that up into the rope? It's like well the rope is nowhere near as strong as it would have been at full capacity but we still got stuff in there that Means that it's it's it's still strong enough to hold itself together for lack of a better way of trying to analogize that And if you wanted more of a numbers way of doing it If the plot was uh, let's call it a two May I think people around would everyone agree is a two or maybe three? I don't know two three I do It's in the two ish three ish range. No, I feel like a lot of the issues. It's fixable. This is a fixable plot Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of intrinsic sort of issues to it The sake of the argument if we called it a two and then we said thematically We haven't really talked about that but for the sake of the argument. It's called thematically a five wheel building I don't know World building is Where is the league? It's fine except for that right? Is that the main issue? Yeah, it's just a justice league But if they didn't exist in this universe, I think it'd be fun I don't think yeah, I don't yeah I'm fine with the justice league not being here Because this is a remote island and it takes a it's a very limited time that these events occur And I don't think any of them are just Around in the vicinity. So I'm fine with the justice. In fact, I would probably say it would be weird if they showed up I'm not sure I agree with that No The problem I have So it's really hard to judge the likelihoods here because if if Superman's just chilling out in his house And then someone wrote like like Lois calls him. She's like there's a fucking giant starfish attacking some some things I don't know what it is an alien. Maybe it could be from what it's Superman I will say Superman is the outlier to what I've said I can believe that if Superman learned about this he could be here in 20 minutes This I mean, it's a close call You know if we were told Superman was literally five minutes away because he was told Like five to ten minutes ago because that's how fast the word spread. It wasn't super quick Then you know It's like I could believe it Um, but that's certainly look for the sake of what I'm trying to finish off my argument Let's just call that a wheel building floor and if it gets lowered to like a six in wheel building And it's a solid like eight nine for character. It would average out That's somewhere near to me at least 4.55 someone like that And that's pretty much how I feel about the movie. That's what I would give it. I will call this a five Well, that's actually my five. That's actually worthwhile doing. What is everyone's scores? So I'll go with five two after our conversation Fringian rags did two. What's ever? What's the remaining four? With five I was like some of between four and five. I think when we first watched it But I think yeah, I think I'll decide on the five too. I'm I'm pretty pretty good Full stop. There was no sentence anymore. All right Uh, I think I'd probably go with the soft four. Um, a lot of the characters were a lot better in retrospect I don't think I gave blood sport enough credit when I first watched it like talking about some of the stuff Like there's a lot more material going on than I remembered it's just that plot because My trouble is that a lot of the character moments are affected by the plot like you've got that scene Where blood sport shoots um peacemaker as which is one of my favorite moments in the film But the mechanism that brings them there and then obviously how peacemaker gets out Those are part of the plot and that's an example of plot Affecting those kinds of character moments. So it It's something that's kind of troublesome for me, but there there's a lot more redeeming elements going on here like I My thing with the four slash five is I feel it's maybe a little too generous But there's there's a lot that that should that this movie has going for it that should give it credit So I'm like probably between like a four or five for me Two left Who goes first? Uh, you can go first All right When we finished the the movie for efap movies, I said it was a four Um, and that was recognizing the merits with the characters That I spotted on first viewing going through this and breaking this down um And hearing everyone's analysis Uh, it has me convinced that the character stuff is strong enough to lift it up to a five No higher than a five because the plot is garbage and it does Unfortunately compromise a lot of the stuff that I like about this However, I do like that stuff quite a bit and I think that there is a An amazing amount of talent that went into at least Writing in those arcs, even if they are heavily heavily affected by the plot um And I I think that having it at a five It puts at least like one further point above The rest of the dceu that we've watched because the highest has been like what a three. I think so, yeah so, yeah, um And this is not just barely better than justice league or birds of prey. It's uh significantly better and um But I I cannot stress enough that the plot is non-functional and that's unfortunate um And I I'd go as far as to say this is like a guilty pleasure of mine and there's There's definitely, you know, even the character stuff isn't like immaculate because of orally if you want to If we get memes out and then I want to do the exact same thing again, but on the good old feels train I want to see where everyone rates it how much they get out of it personally, but meme go ahead Yeah, um, well, I'd say, you know, it took me a while to just kind of like separate the emotion from like the critical analysis Because obviously I was on an emotional high when I first saw this but having now sat down and uh, really Examine things. Um gone through all the plot issues. Um, and how everything kind of feeds into everything else I think at the beginning of this I was sitting between a five and a six and while my heart wants to say a six I will say definitely Um, uh, I'm going to go with a five. Um, just because I feel like that's probably the most intellectually honest answer I can give Um, so yeah, that's um, that's where I'm sitting at the moment Um, you're gonna have to say we're moving on to the feels before we do the person who's super chatted about how We're wrong said five out of ten at best. So I expect an apology from you Pretty what what do we say when we I thought we all said these numbers when we started did we mostly And and of course the recording of the efab movies will vindicate us if there's any doubt that was basically the sentiment We were we were yeah reacting very strongly to the bad shit that was very visible in this film. Um, I uh Tre was was uh, gonna say so fuck it. Well, um, if you know You guys can elaborate as much as you want as soon as the seven have had they say right You mean number out of 10 for for feels What is it ranked for you when you're watching this on your own? Personal meter and as much as you can ignore anything that you recognize as issues you just want to go You know what? I'm having some fun. Evan go Probably a seven, uh, did you want me to elaborate or nope? Okay I don't even have to say names. I was hoping this would just go boom boom boom boom. So let's let's try we can do it. I'm sure seven awesome You can do it bring here next In terms of the feels I'm like at a at an eight. I think mine's like this movie eight Seven point five no eight eight. Oh, wow Like the the the thing that's dragging down the enjoyment for me is just the stuff with harley Absolutely. That's that's exactly what I was considering in my head I was like I can't honestly go higher than an eight because I actually get frustrated when I see her scene start I'm like for fuck's sake here we go And I can I can enjoy tizmy action that doesn't hold up Like I can still in like there's aspects to it where like well, it's it's Shot clearly I can tell what's going on for better or for worse um, it's edited well the choreography has the Surface level like it looks cool Like I like on a surface level sort of thing. I can see why it might Impress someone that doesn't care about like the actual The stakes of the scenes um I think an interesting comparison would be like, you know Watching rick flag run to cover and getting missing all the bullets around him that stuff on rewatches I can sort of get through however If peacemaker were to be shooting and missing it would frustrate the hell on me I'd be like no no, he shouldn't be missing that shouldn't be happening And it's funny in some ways that can be the the difference in terms of plot armor Well, it's funny like uh, yeah, you've got like actually so yeah We were we were wrong to say that there wasn't a single like Fight scene that didn't work. Uh, it's peacemaker versus rick flag. That's the that's the best fight in the film That's the that's the good one and thank fuck because that's like one of the most That's the one you need to get right if you're gonna get one right like Because it's oof. You need the both to be behaving as they should for that all to work the way that it does Um, and in this, you know, I don't know if you can call it a fight, but bloodsport versus peacemaker Goes the way that I think it probably should have with who those two are Um, yeah, you know it is um, it's it's interesting so much plot armor in this movie And yet I was terrified they would kill my favorite characters at all moments I was I was worried people I liked would die and I hope things would turn out well for people And I was really kind of invested and I was nervous in a way Um It was kind of nice watching a superhero movie where I feel that way um Yeah, anything else Well, I appreciate I appreciate this film Uh, it's like a great Well, not great. It stands on its own very well It doesn't rely on seeing any of the other bceu movies Like I could see myself owning this on blu-ray and just enjoying it as a standalone story Um, I'm gonna jump ahead with this one See what I just came in said I don't see how the plot doesn't function It's just plot armor allowing characters to live that's egregious fixing it with better choreography wouldn't change how the plot is written Which works, okay So when someone is shot at and should die, but doesn't we've now entered a different universe Where like they did survive somehow and we do that with every fucking bullet fired And so now your plot is in tatters already. That's how that works Um, the plot line if you will is what's that what that's running on and we have about a hundred thousand instances of that in this film Um, the idea of well, they still would have gone to the island They still would have tried to blow up yotunheim. So the plot still works like yeah, every film works under that logic I don't understand what we're talking about at that point The the intricacies and the details of how the plots work Like that's all we talk about Yeah What like what happens what happens that the character doesn't have plot armor and dies as they should If that kind of drastically changes the outcome of the story, doesn't that might say the plot would be very Maybe the confusion is because they said functional in terms of like what makes a story functional How would you say that a story Like functions, maybe that's where the confusion was coming from and how you would I would classify something as functional or non functional I would argue this is dysfunctional as a plot line though Yeah, because it's not typically something You're gonna hear elaborate it on often when it comes to stories when someone actually says It is non functional and here's the criteria for a functioning story Now set it too much now to where it doesn't feel like a real word Um, I feel like south was already nailed it the whole like it's it's non functional the second they should be dead and they aren't And then we get like a million instances of that So you just you times non functional The nth degree and it's like so this is way worse than even that we usually have in movies Um under that logic the plot of almost every single action movie ever is in tatas Um, welcome to efab Uh, first off most things are bad first off, um Not so you say almost every single action movie. I'm hoping that Yeah, it's like you understand that there's exceptions that will it's probably true Almost every if we're looking at every single action movie ever made it's probably like 90 percent a non functional under the definition that plot armor Fucks up everything correct But then you get ones like mission impossible fallout that hold up really really well Yeah, no and and extraction does a relatively good job There is there is pieces in it, but this is what we talk about with scaling it like This this movie has some of the worst levels of plot armor in anything ever black widow probably still outclasses this But I mean that's a fucking low bar like so I was like how many Well, go ahead evan. Well, so um, so how many instances of closing the distance are an extraction versus how many instances of that are in This the dark knight rises, um black widow winner soldier It's if you go abstract in your head and you you see that plot plot line And you go you you cut out you put like you took take a scissors to that line and snip for every time a bullet is fired And should have killed somebody or an instance like that Snip snip snip as you go along with the timeline This movie, like I said, you end up with tatters in other movies. You've got a couple of snips and you're like It's it's it's broken, but like, you know, it's there's still big long chunks that still exist and we can still praise that Well, it um I know that it's a meme that I bring up star mansion all the time even though I don't but In the bank fight when uh, there's like three security guards that close the distance on on doc ock Yeah, that's dumb. That's also the only three instances of closing the distance in that entire film Um, it's not the only thing wrong with the bank fight And so it's worth pointing out as like part of a pile up of the issues in that scene However, uh compared to most movies spiderman 2 holds up pretty well if you just Count the instances of closing the distance And uh two clarifications one from someone saying including when bullets aren't fired when they probably should be It's like yeah, that's included as well And um guys I never said I disagree with that assessment. I've literally been here for years. That's totally fine I'm just I all I did was read what you say and like Flatly it sounds like you're saying it's an absurd standard because all action movies fail when I would say the great ones don't Yeah, yeah Again people do miss real life having every single time when someone could have died But didn't be a flaws a little bit much there can be explanations for that We don't count literally every single missed bullet and be reasonable misses. Yeah, so um, yeah, there's loads of instances of this throughout all kinds of movies Where someone if someone it'll depend literally on what gun they're using who they are And what the distance like we'll take everything into a factor if you've got like we said If one guy was shooting at bloodsport with a rifle And he was sort of kind of hip firing or just sort of firing without necessarily aiming and he fires Let's say 15 bullets and if the film says he wasn't hit once I'd be like, um Um Yeah, maybe maybe It's it's possible. It's just some randy from this Probably not really well trained in military in the middle of this What we want is like a 50 plus that's when we're golden in terms of like is it more likely he wouldn't have been shot And you're like like so say someone's just got a pistol and they shoot once from that distance You'd be like, yeah, I doubt they're gonna hit him. It'd be real tough Strange if they did hit we'd come pretty perfect. Yeah, exactly. It goes both ways. You're right Um, so if we were like all like instances of plot armor in this, um, and then it's just like left up to whether uh, the Decisions that are being made make sense um, not like Character decisions, but like the plot in general outside of the plot armor What would we be rating this film? Interesting question Like the plot wise I mean Sorry, what was your question? Yeah, let's play that again. Yeah So, okay How how would we rate the plot if we removed all instances of plot armor and then all that's left are basically just Your standard contrivances and holes So we're still we've still got the the transceivery comms stuff happening We've still got there's a couple of decisions from certain factions and characters That are a little dumb considering what they could have done that relates specifically to killing people But none of them necessarily include our main characters for the most part um That ai inside of the insurgent camp would that be plot armor? Would that just be plot? So I guess that has to be that they're all It's all it's critical of every one of those people individually. It's like a each one of them is fucking death or incredibly stupid Like you have to try and find a way of categorizing that as a flaw Because in a sense it's plot armor in that all of them are unaware of our heroes constantly Which is incredibly useful to our heroes um It could just be a categorization issue of trying to figure out where it sits But if you remove plot armor this film like the flaws in the plot definitely like fucking 80 percent of them probably get erased now uh What about like let's say you have uh an actor Driving a motorcycle that then crashes into a car and they get flung from the motorcycle And they are not wearing a helmet, but the actor that's playing the character actually did the stunt for real Is that plot armor or is it Again, you're looking at likelihoods So for example, everyone wants to bring up whenever you're shot that someone could survive that if you're in a car crash You could survive. It's like you could quickly just like a matter I think frame brought up when we were doing black widow It was like there's only so many times before you've basically capped out your health bar and then we like you died Um, but then sometimes a thing happens. We just like to know that on its own should have killed you Even if someone theoretically like survives it in some astronaut like like for every thousand people that have it done one survives Meaning it's okay if they survive it. It's just like that's incredibly lucky And then you just have like you can have a couple of instances where it's like well I guess that's reasonable for a person to survive again. Yeah, the majority of plot armor is um probability It's not holes like like as in the only hole we found I think through all of this, right was um staro killing Uh peacemaker that should have happened. There's no way he can escape that because of the way that it was shot Yeah, um, meanwhile A fucking 40 guards all missing blood sport. It's like, you know, I guess that is possible It is possible that that could happen Fucking unlikely though Yeah It's plot armor if it strains your capacity to suspend his belief. It's inherently a subjective metric. Nope What no, no It's my funny part is I think they've missed this So We don't actually factor it in as much as you may think we do in our enjoyment level But we can't deny it when we're trying to be as objective as possible This shit exists if I said to these guys about the fucking bad ai scene It didn't really bother me though. I think it'll be very fucking confused You're like I didn't ask if it bothered you and I'd be like, yeah, no I'm just saying it doesn't bother me. So can we talk about someone else? Like No Not asking whether or not this stuff bothers you specifically. It exists. It is describable This is something A human being has ears when someone screams as they die two meters away from them. They will notice Well, a dude once took four bullets to the head and lived then make a movie about that dude Tell that story. All right, and then we'll be okay. You know, you know, that dude is still fucking lucky Yeah, you know Gettysburg. All right, Evan knows this this one Jeff Daniels seemingly gets struck by a bullet on little round top because he's the guy leaving the 20th main And you think that he's been he's been killed or badly injured And then he lifts up his sabers scabbard and it's bent because it actually Took the impact of the bullet and saved him and that actually happened to that person in real life You can go yeah, that's lucky, but they're depicting something that actually happened in this event Can be described does not mean it isn't subjective But good try if that was my only criteria that would be a boon, but it wasn't so by Um But yeah, that's that's that's the suicide squad. I was gonna say I don't know if there's anything else you guys wanted to talk about I really fucking like it and I never thought I'd say that about dce you film I think yeah, I'm really really glad that this happened and that we watched it Really, uh, really glad I saw it. I mean I see it in the theater at some point Yeah Dare I dare I go further than a lot of you I think this is like one of my favorite movies in a while for new stuff Yeah, I'm here really enjoyed it And I'm not I mean adds to being said a few times if this was as bad as it gets that's I'm okay with Oh, what a world You we would be Yeah, and it's so interesting too because I feel like this is a movie where we'd be like most people are gonna be annoyed at us for our take on this Aren't they because we're gonna be debbie downers about the plot. No, this is an incredibly divisive film I've seen people hate the fuck out of this film It's like oh damn Why and you've also got the Snyder people who are like fuck this movie for existing It's water brothers turning their back on Snyder and it's like all right Got people saying like all of the comedy falls flat as fuck And it's just like an embarrassing movie that like wants to be several things But it's just a jumbled mess tonally and blah blah blah You got you got people who are like the character work. It's like just just not very good It can't hold up from the rest of the floors and stuff and she's like, yeah, okay I didn't see it coming. I thought people would have liked this. I think I say on the recording Um at the end of it. It's just like I was surprised by like it's a lot better than I thought it would be considering a Lot of the hate I'd seen for it Um and it was kind of what I think we said it was gonna be before it came out We were like it's probably gonna have good characters. Don't know about the plot though We'll we'll have to we'll have to see about that because This this applies to James Gun um Why am I struggling Taika Waititi and Well and Joss Whedon to be fair and the Russo's um So all their best work a lot of the time have really shitty plots or plots that are just not as well thought out compared to the characters I um I finally remembered what it was I was gonna say before I lost my train of thought My my brain is just lagging today. Um when I say this like a five out of ten Now five out of ten usually connotates like it's just average. It's it's like it's fine, you know Um, but like I said, it's a mixed bag if there's terrible stuff in this but there's also really great stuff in this and I would recommend watching it and sitting through the terrible stuff in this because What is great is worth experiencing Um, well, that's I would I would recommend it on the off chance. It works for you if this one works for you You'll have a lot of fun I really would recommend it as well. There is legit good stuff here, and I think you should appreciate it I had one person who couldn't get through the first 10 minutes even with their girlfriend And I don't really understand that person, but you know vis-à-vis-à-vis Well, maybe the first 10 minutes I can understand Why? What do you mean because of the goal? I guess because I lost weasel. Well Yeah, that's one thing some people like are legit turned off by gore and they don't want to you know, and I can understand that Yeah, and maybe there's an aspect of people when a safe movie people don't want to move you where they're worrying about People dying horribly all the time, you know, I I could see why some people would really not enjoy that and they just want to Really have a nice easy viewing experience I think that's fair. Uh, it was the opposite for me The intro had me engaged because I was like nobody's safe. Woohoo. I can actually feel the experience of caring for people that It's weird looking back on the 2016 one. It's like who died in that it's like slipknot And Diablo and yeah, that was it Yeah I am I think that I would have liked it a little bit more have the deaths been a little bit more spread out throughout the movie um But I can't say that what we Had with the beat. Well, so the beach scene is has a lot of issues But what they were going for with uh killing off most of the suicide squad in the very beginning That works just fine as well It's one of those things where you have less characters to work with that you can develop tighter Whereas if you brought characters along to basically kill them later on it might make it so that developments wasted So I kind of sure why they did that, but it could have gone both ways basically You know what I will say though is if only Katana where is we're in this movie then rick flag probably would have made it because she had his back after all she did I think so Someone said nobody is safe and then everyone has plot armor until gun decides they don't so you've just described how nobody is safe Yeah, when the plot armor It's I mean, it's it's like the opposite end of it, but still functionally the same It's it's I I agree with the chaser that it's kind of horseshoe on it It's a bizarre fucking concept, but it's true You have so much plot armor in this and yet I care that these characters could die at any moment It is it is bizarre, but that's how it works because there's so much plot armor and so much killing You don't know We were like never worried about the characters In black widow No, no, however However, king shark man Is my mind as I said earlier James gun could have killed him and I would have I could believe that someone james gun would do I I I'm sad I think I would have been sobbing I would have had to mute of like I can't do this And you have milton man milton didn't have any plot armor did he No, nope Best character most consistent by far. I just liked his arc Yeah, I don't need to describe it. You guys all got it delivered food Uh, and I was getting so emotional when I saw them walking towards staro knowing that they were probably going to die because That's what heroes do and it was good seeing heroes in this universe for once Yeah, well, you know people have said like it's better than dcu and it's better than uh marvel phase four I'm like that doesn't disservice this film. I think say it's better than all that. I was like, well, yes It's like that doesn't really describe the quality you've got here. I would say No, it doesn't it's um one very Limited facet of it compared to the whole I want to I want to actually emphasize something here milton Literally died so that harley quinn could have some funny lines. Like that is such a noble sacrifice Yeah, I cannot understate that. Is that a noble sacrifice? I I would say it's a very selfless sacrifice to I don't know if you had a choice Well, we like to believe that I'm sure if you definitely knew I'm sure you definitely knew his opinion That is my head cannon. He knew he knew that like all right I'm going to I'm going to die and then harley quinn is going to actually say something funny this time She'll say a few things that are funny even and then she'll be inspired by my sacrifice And she'll put her own life at risk to help king shark when the the cryraxes are are trying to eat him And yeah, by the way for people who have noticed We haven't really had a strong Sort of concrete five to refer to for the scale, but I feel like this is going to be that movie now In future when people are like yours say things are terrible or amazing. We'll be like, oh, yeah We said the suicide squad is slap bang in the middle. So how about that? I mean, it's honestly a good example of a poor plot, but great characters and how that can like kind of Might just be an example, you know Mixed bag A boy what a mixed bag it is Yeah, it's like a mixed bag of dicks Yeah Got really big ones little ones some that fall apart instantly But some hold up you get to Eat an entire bag of dicks to get a an entertaining movie with likable characters You know, I need every single dick in that bag Yeah, it's because you're a hero and that's what heroes do Exactly I would do it for for good writing Wasn't underwater a five out of ten. What did we give underwater? I can't remember I guess it was like a island six. Yeah Yeah, I I think that one was pretty it was definitely hired an average which uh was hired a five. I think we gave it a six Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's another movie you guys should see is underwater Yeah, I still need to see the underwater part of that. Yeah, it's good Yeah, there's lots of fun in that movie good stuff. Um Yeah, um, I guess I shall begin reading super chats But uh reading as per usual I shall offer this as an as an exit point for anybody if you've got Lives to get on with because it is we are six hours and 40 minutes in but at the same time you're also welcome to stay I'll I'll chill for a bit still I'll stay hanging I'll I'll hang and do some work at the same time Uh-oh, um So I actually saw this happen on one of I think nude rod extremes Where it like glitches up and stops you from This was like the one time I didn't have it running automatically. So now I'm like, oh no It basically like it doesn't let you load them up the past super chats Oh You could go into the vod and read them and kind of just scroll through Um That you can go backwards in the stream So you could do that it should be okay if I do that actually I should be able to stream I was about to say I can stream it on low resolution. It's like well, then I can't fucking read them Make up super chats as we go Okay, I'm gonna try that Um, I'll put it on like two times speeds so that I can just pause whenever I reach one, but this is Fucking unfortunate. Um Yeah, because if you if you go see all it just doesn't load anything Oh, man, there's gotta be some other fucking way I can do this I kind of just I am if you use the arrow keys you could like just go Oh, there's one because the chat that's not That's not a problem. Like I said, I can put on two times speed. We'll be fine on that regard. I just I don't know if it's gonna affect my the stream at all to watch the stream back. I should be it should be okay. Um, yeah I will do my best to simply like Right, I'm gonna start using the arrow key. Come on. It's gotta be there's the first one. It's just high rags Oh, hi. We did it everybody. We found the first one Okay scanning scanning When rags speaks australian my wean gets bigger also high rags Hello, wow, I didn't say the famous online No, do it. Oh, I just said it. No, I meant so rags is famous australian line is yeah No, right Um, gadel that's not a line. No, that's a line Dude, no moulsan bagel nut bagel nugs. Oh I get it Hi ragi. Hi long man. Hello. Love the The suicide squad themed profiles. Oh, yeah. No, they're the fucking yeah wonderful. Yeah nimlex Once again delivering like quality fan art for us to use in our dcu archive I improperly credited um cara for the The justice league ones and I I felt really bad about it. In fact, I made sure I made sure to name drop nimlex uh during the efap movies on the suicide squad and You paid him an exposure I I paid him an exposure. That's right. I'm I'm just like a son Um, I love the film though. It's a tizmy 4 out of 10. Imo can't wait to hear what y'all thought Well, I think be curious after the conversation uh dread if you feel the same way or not. I don't know. We might and probably probably do But uh, I think I busted it uh lifted it up one for you. Well, maybe we bumped it down. Who knows it's reasonable I think I think that a four is like it's still a reasonable rating for the film I just like I I bumped it up to a five because there was more good stuff in it than I realized Well, I think there are enough problems in it that you could like make an unbridled rage out of it Like there's plenty to complain about totally totally um, I would only The wonder I have with stuff like that. It's just like Did you see the good stuff in it to that person? I should be like, did you see the stuff that is like running on calls? In fact, there's a lot of stuff in there that's working And I would just be curious if they factored it in or not or if they think like there's enough flaws That are just fucking counters whatever you're pulling out of it. That's good Possible Um, I'm guessing the plot is flawed, but I love the characters Yeah, I pretty much where we're at. Um, basically our take. Yeah, it's the base take. Yeah Also, yeah, pretty spot on has anyone seen succession. It's a brilliant show season three soon Nope Oh, that was just a heart that's nice Oh, oh, this is this is the weirdest way I've done super chance to have Let's just tap in the keys play major's mask you waffles. Also. Hello, mr. Rags Oh, hello Um, maybe maybe at some point I mean, I wonder if a Zelda game is not suitable for someone like super jack hatcher because I'll have to like Think on the puzzles and stuff Like is I haven't actually played it before The mad lads finally did it they made a better than three out of ten movie never thought I'd see the day Finally all it took was James Gunn and complete creative control and he was able to do it Who knows maybe they already did it with shazam and we just haven't gotten to that one yet because that that one's That one's next Uh, I wonder if James Gunn knows we exist given this film literally has good rat He must be a fan. There's any way you can explain that. Yeah He's contractually not allowed to you know say it, but yeah Um, definitely. So iaskrich pat belly rub Applied to german shepherd golden retriever a newfoundland New finland, I think is the pronunciation. Oh, is it? No, is it new finland. Yeah I mean, I've finland is speltfoundland, but I have not heard it pronounced so Oh newfoundland. I I think I'm looking at hold on New finland. Yeah That's it. Go to go to google I mean, cool. I don't have an investment in that So what were the three options Iaskrich pat and belly rub they said you could substitute in fuck mary kill, but I feel like that would be weird For a german shepherd golden retriever new finland if that's right Bormier gets killed by a banana in the lord. We want to do it We want to do a scritch for the german shepherd a Pet for the new finned foundland And the belly rub for the golden retriever also high rags Hello Hola, señor ragulten Hello What do you guys's takes on the rampant goblin phobia going on these days? Disgusting I I for one support it. I'm pro goblin phobia I I feel like hashtag not all goblins. I'm gonna go there I feel like hashtag enough goblins, so Wow, we're gonna we're gonna go there. Yeah, all right Wait what better So instead of better red than dead I'm trying to do one with green better Um Mean than green. Yeah better mean than green So what a chat said they know what they did I'll let him tell you otherwise Quick anyone else answer except fringy. Where would you rather live australia or canada? Canada probably canada canada Yeah I like how mean did you just say canada as well Yes, yes, I did but for the moment. Yes, canada is looking at feeling Um, and what would you rather fight polar bear or honey badger? Uh, honey badger Honey badger. I think yeah, fuck have you polar bears are the only bears that aren't scared of humans I'll have you know presumably the honey badger can be dangerous But like it's a polar bear, so I'll take my chances with the badger. Yeah, I'll take the polar bear Yes Dude, you got to like disengage from internet politics if you What was panada and australia are turning marxist This is very much a matter of you need to stop with just internet politics Are they are they more marxist this week than they were last this week than last week? We gotta we gotta seems like we could see a trend fringy. It's turning I mean technically if it gets even point five point zero one percent marxister It is technically turning marxist. I'm still gonna with the honey badgers. What's happening? There is a zero point 001 chance of it turning marxist. We have to treat that as an absolute certainty. Yes Dude, it dude the conservative government is currently in government in australia. Like I don't know what I meant to say That Maybe the conservatives the communists Maybe that is their official position. Yeah, maybe that's their official position Yeah, they know what they're doing Watching this movie made me realize that Idris Elba is a heavily underutilized actor And I hope it gets fixed by him being in the next bond Um, yeah, I've seen the sentiment that it's a pity He feels like he's been discovered a little too late. It's he probably had a shit Tony could have done 50 now like yeah in his late 20s to early 40s. He could have done a shit ton of different things He's a fucking great actor We still want a few years, right? Yeah, he can still he can still do some more blood sport, right? Yeah Yeah Look if Stallone and Schwarzenegger us can still do fucking action flicks. I I I guess My concern is like, where do you take the character from here? And I I'm not saying that's impossible to explore him further. I'm just like Me and Fringy speculated a whole movie for him that we want to see I would see it. I would totally see it. Um, there's so much stuff I don't want to go into it because it's just it's like And can he please be paired up with ratcatcher? I want to see more of him with ratcatcher too And weasel. I would be great Yes In every film ever weasel will be like cannon fodder like he'll just like run across the balcony With his little run and then bloodsword kills the people are shooting at weasel I figure the subversion if for example a the suicide squad two ever existed and weasel was back on the new team I picture it would be against kind of a goofier intro But that he's in more of his element and he's unleashed on the enemy And he just fucking slaughtered like a whole group of soldiers or something. We're just like, oh my god We want to see what they were hoping would happen the first time um What do you guys think about margot robby's performance as harley aside from the movies not being good high rags I mean she's a talented actress when she's not given, you know crap material Be like when I started the trailer I was like wow like what a talented actress and actually sort of like playing a character here They just the problem is they just didn't do anything with it. It's not her I suppose the question then is like how well do you think she performs the shitty, you know Content that she's provided. It's like I think she puts full effort into it. I think she yeah, it's not her fault Oh militant militant I mean livery was so good with that line. She's got an incredible set of facial expressions and Like when she's called upon to you know tear up and deliver like things seriously I can't help but think it's the writers not giving her a proper chance that she's ready and waiting But um, yeah Any rough edges she had in Original suicide squad have basically been ironed out at this point. So it's all on the writers Yeah, and it's not even like because if I see her in some other property I am going to be like oh for fuck's sake, but it's going to do with margot robby really It's just what I expect they'll have written her as I don't blame her Um, and I wouldn't recast her because it's not her. That's the problem. I'm not changing what the problem is I gotta fix that script Gotta fix that script a fun movie, but uh Harley and her plot armor. It's not just Harley If it were just Harley, we have a lot less talk about arbor wise But uh, yeah true really enjoyed this film barring clunky exposition and plot in general Capaldi was a highlight and I'm glad I predicted your reaction such takes to this ps first super chat to y'all So thanks longgoids. Well, thank you Um Yeah, I feel as though if you know how we break stuff down and that you're very much aware of how much we value Not just plot but also like character consistency. You probably could have drawn that we'd give this what we've given Yeah, this shouldn't really confuse you or surprise you And I think we've elaborated well enough on many of the good things and many of the bad things that haven't land Right in the middle So what did chat socialism is an evil faith-based cult of death Ah, so I see that the politics Discussion has continued. That is entirely 100 correct. It's just hilarious. This is like the plot armor the really socialism evil faith-based cult of death Rags, what did you think of margot robbie's feet? I need to know this Is this all because I said I would live in canada right now. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, you shouldn't have said damn Yeah, they're both That was your first mistake Okay Okay, so you got to just go jump move it to the ocean. There's only Like fish out there and they just they're they're non-political fish They are a political fish. Yes. You talk to the fish like what do you think about immigration? The fish is like, I don't have an opinion on that I eat food and breathe water. That's my life. I think immigration is both good and bad How's the weather in atlantis this time of year? No, nothing. I thought it was pretty good It's it's nothing because there is no weather here. It's just water I guess there would be weather in the ocean, right? It would be like differing currents and temperatures and stuff like that It's gotta be Just just to be clear. I said swim immigration so that you know, I think I just wanted everyone to know For those who missed it. I thought it was Pretty good. So immigration is actually that's pretty good. Yeah. There you go. It's it's funny, but not ha ha funny Yeah, it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, it's it's neat So all I need fucking wait canada is losing people like Angrily arguing against each other in chat. It's like, hey stop with the politics Because there's clearly people who are fans of efap who both hate and think socialism's okay. So now we've got Claws out go back to talking about superheroes and their laser beams gosh done it I'm always lost in politics. I'm a retard in that regard. I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm Um movie koum Just started watching efap. Can you believe this jarred fellow can't wait to see where this goes That's like season one shit, man. Yeah, enjoy. No, that was ha ha funny speaking of happy endings All right Cool Evan, where's your the suicide squad relevant profile picture? Well, there you go. There it is Right around during yeah, like during the stream and it looks great. It's yeah, thank you It's I just want to say it's awesome that he was like available to do this Like he was like he wasn't caught up at work or something. It's it's Nim lex. Thank you. You were you were on it today, buddy. You got Not just me repository, but Evan as well Yeah I'm so I kind of want to put this next to the martian meme hunter one actually and some kind of They're really good I'm so sick of the mcu's depressing tone that I literally want the next avengers to win with the power of friendship Well I want them to navigate the universe with friendship Oh, yeah, great. It's gonna be weird when the they finally get around to making an avengers movie because Everything is so in flux right now. First of all, what the ensemble would even be But secondly just uh, how people are generally worried right now is like is shang chi gonna flop Is it possible considering what I might it's like it's apparently the uh, the box office projections are um Low for uh for an mcu film and if that flops and if eternals flops They're surely gonna be like we need to rethink what we're doing for our release plan and budgets They're gonna blame asian eight Well, they'll blame all kinds of things like um, I imagine they'll blame covid mainly Yeah, um Yeah, you do come to actually show where that I maybe but like I imagine would be mostly covered I don't know what rags referencing specifically, but I assume it might be close to like that whole, you know charlie's angels They blamed like men don't want to see women in movies or whatever You could expand that to other things, but yeah, like it's I think covid would be the main issue lockdowns would be the main issue and um, I guess The ritual of going to the cinema seems to have been damaged probably by now I think so, yeah, and then of course there's also just the element of like You would imagine that shang she would make less than Like Thor or something because it's like a new character. It'd be like ant man. That's probably you're correct for two reasons One is a brand new character But two like when you watch the trailers for something like iron man You you can get what we're gonna be in for this guy makes weapons He sells them he gets into a bit of trouble He decides to start making weapons to destroy the people who are using his weapons to kill people whatever you're like, okay It seems like it could be interesting Shang Chi is like I used to I was like I had a harsh upbringing with my dad and then he let me go and now he's back and I want to I guess I got to fight people who are trying to get me back into his sort of I don't just like what the I don't I don't I don't know Like go away the name though Even the name shang chi because it's we're saying shang shang chi so already there'll be a lot of public confusion there And the legend of the 10 and the legend of the 10 rings. It's like that's a That's a long name for a film Not even rings in the legend of the 10 rings. There's only like six rings on the poster. I was very confused Yeah, I thought you put 10 rings on there if it's cool You guys are thinking with your lizard brains There could be all kinds of reasons for that. Maybe they were 10 and four of them got eaten or something. You don't know Maybe you should have been called 10 chi Exactly one close I saw there was like there was like flinging around or something. I don't know. Yeah, he's shooting them around or something Yeah, it looks like some weird shit Dude, not only is it gonna be weird shit with those rings. It's gonna be generic It's gonna be like lasers and and levitation Well, legend of 10 rings And um, I mean Does shang chi even like is that even something that he can do wield rings? I thought he was just really good at like He was just a martial artist That's why I hate fringy judging the film before it's even out Terrible you can put rings on your fingers. So wielding rings seems pretty easy That he wields them on his arms And so get Russia ring wield you Yeah He wields them on his arms there Well, yeah, I mean Whatever happens in that plot line. He's eventually gonna learn about the magical rings and how to use them. I don't know Oh, yeah, I'm sure it'll be great. It's his dad. It's his dad has the ring say who could claim the rings, right? He'll kill his dad Take the rings and save the world. I don't I don't I don't think we'll kill him I think we're in the phase of the mcu where like nobody ever dies The ones will be allowed to yeah like like agatha. She's coming back. She's definitely coming back No, no, no, we're talking about villains Oh, that's good She's yes, it was like walker's coming back. He's like, yeah, of course the hero's come back. That's good But carly she might be coming back and she you know, that was a trend That was two in a row the the punished hero agatha and walmer and on surprise wonder was allowed to live to tell you the truth You know the well Well, remember she had to just get out of there because she's like She's just feeling a lot of grief and she knows that she did something bad. She's just got to get out of there It's like man, we got to like jump through groups to try and justify running away Fuck her up Yeah, I weren't this way for saddam is saying that's all i'm saying so anyway Drink it a live stream of tropics your mother's ten rings Drink it a live stream for tropic thunder you guys should do an efat movies for it One of the last great comedies before the woke era Man, there are good comedies that came out after like 2008 But uh, yeah, i'd like to let me say there's got to be loads that came out after 2008 There's a lot. I mean, it's like because we got uh world's end So it's like the end of the cornetto trilogy would be included in there I consider suicide squads be a really funny comedy. I would call it a comedy as well Rock and rock is really cool audience Maybe you get maybe the person's criteria for great comedy is a bit different Maybe you guys seen uh taiko a td's other films like uh, what we do in the shadows and part for the wilder people Those are those are pretty good from what I don't know. I haven't enjoyed a rabbit was really cool And that was that was like oh the hangover came out in 2009. Yeah, the hangover was was really cool Yeah, and nobody's a good comedy The hangover was made by a guy who said like we can't do that kind of comedy anymore because of Todd Phillips Yeah, yeah, what i'm suggesting is like you'd have to consider the hangover to be valid by whatever metric you're using surely Um Yeah, no, um, funny unintentional comedies as well. I could see us doing something for tropic thunder at some point Yeah, it could happen. That'd be cool. Yeah So funny. Yeah. Well, we watched it both times you came over right mel. I think so Well, obviously. Yeah, it's just it's just a really good one to fucking throw on um This is katana. She's here. I guess Dude, it was oh I don't know why they didn't take that opportunity wouldn't have been fucking amazing if she walked on late again And then he went this is katana. She's got like starts delivering the whole thing again You see like boomerang like sigh because it's like it just implied that he does this every time that she joins squad Even when katana's not there and he would simultaneously explain her fucking power sat But this time it would be self aware and hilarious. I don't know. I feel like that's a missed opportunity There's a lot of things I kind of wish he would have done, but i'm still very happy with so many choices he made Uh, yeah, another one. We just remembered the 2019 shaft. Did we randomly watched? 2019 chef Shaft Shaft. Oh shaft. Oh, yeah, I heard about that Yeah, that one was really fucking funny. We watched that twice The thing is Mel a lot of people had mixed results on that one I kind of we should watch that three five movies sometime because me and mel laughing a fucking ass is off watching that film Yeah, that was great. What movie shaft 2019 shaft. Oh, yeah, you said it was really good. I I would see it. Absolutely And yeah, yeah, we'll check it out at some point because I was very amused by it. It was funny as fuck You could do a triple feature with that like mix in some Certain older episodes of the show and then the shaft movie from the 90s and then the new one Was that shaft movie in the early 2000s like the samuel eject? Could be wrong mm-hmm Slipknot is an awesome band. Also fringy is wrong in high rags Hello It's just but fringy is wrong. Yeah, he needs to get this. He needs to get on the same page as the rest of us He needs to get on the right side of history I don't know. I feel like this last month or so. He's but he's really been slipping. I don't know I feel like he started to suffer I feel like he should have spoken to me about these things earlier If it was really a problem I wanted to I wanted to watch Rags and I agreed. This was the stream. We would reveal this. Yeah. Yeah, man We knew that we knew that the suicide squad stream would be This was the one So We felt it we felt it would be dramatic all of the e-fap drama is the bad plot and we're the great characters So it seems decent enough to you know make it this stream Well, yeah, people are like what the fuck is the plot of this show? You went after a political streamer for two episodes and you went back to watching movies. That makes no sense at all This is like well I didn't write this. I'm sorry Um, and yes I guess well Whoever the spaghetti monster. Oh, he's he's a legendary writer when he I like the idea Now I've gotten that picture in my head of the spaghetti monster sitting next to a typewriter Just try to figure out this story with a blue pencil wedge. Did he's like the spaghetti here? He's a hundred thousand years ahead of where we are. He's just trying to get it all done ahead of time He's like, oh god, they're catching up every day Yeah, he's just I don't know. Is this inspired like is this I'm not sure if this is speaking true to the character. Uh, Jim melch from uh, from louisiana I just I don't know. What kind of class name is melch? It's probably someone's last name. Is it a good chance somebody's got to say that melch is crying right now, right? No, no, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just that like seriously. What kind of name is like where it's not bad It's just a what a kind of a name Which is much better. That makes it better, right? You know, like from what from what country or ethnicity or you know What's the origin of melch? melch Yeah, I I feel like melch seems like a western name that feels like a that feels like an anglo name that would exist Not like a not like a smith or a or a um aviary or something Like, uh, you know, like Not like I feel like it'd be something else. That's what I'm saying So melch is the origin is old english Or the or otherwise origin is uncertain probably ultimately from the indo european base of melch Like melch at derivation Which accords well with the sense of the word in old english, but is later In later use apparently influenced by and partly remodeled after mulch are one of its germanic cognates So I didn't pull too much from that But it does like it does mean it's an adjective mellow soft tender of weather Mild of soil Friable or loose So if someone is uh melch They're like they're a mellow person like him. He's pretty melch. He is a melch character right over there All right, what a fucking melch. Yeah Uh, you guys should buy a hero Spanish people say belch. I didn't know that You guys should buy a hero from public domain be a mascot for efap so That was something they discussed on the um the red light media Yeah, I saw that Sounds hilarious that those people did they so you wouldn't buy someone from public domain, right? You just grab them. I think you just just Uh, right like a website where you just claim it as yours or I'm not sure. I guess you have to register the rights or something if it's public domain means that no one can own it anymore Yeah, it's just something you can use But anyone could use it I mean But at that point when you just make your own superhero, I don't know Yeah, I mean, we're pretty super Yeah, we're not heroes because all we do is destroy art, but you know, I Yeah, it's something about to death Um, check out turf nations. Why captain marvel is great Oh, that would be a blast from the past. Yeah I keep having to remind myself that That happened. Oh, yeah, turf spelt t u r f not t r f Urf nation. Oh, so like a like a football like one. Yeah, like the grass not like melch Malt man, which is kind of like mulch But different but similar and is auto playing video on his channel is why the last year I was great Oh, wow. So this is just a person who's wrong about all kinds of things We've covered we've covered people like that before but they never cease to amaze Public domain sounds like commie talk. Oh my goodness me. Oh Come on. What is going on? Well, wait, but look at this public doing that song like commie talk when fascist disney buys everything we're screwed So disney wouldn't be able to purchase the rights. It was public domain Yeah Dude, dude, the reason why nicky mouse is not public domain and freely usable for everybody is because disney has like Repeatedly being able to extend the deadline on that Does not need fixing I guess the the critical drinker. I guess as a response to critical drink Oh, why the oh his last video was why the critical drinker is toxic Um, we have my uh, I love my comments how to deal with hate. You gotta drink star. Is this geeks and gamers hate It's pride women. Um They would admit to that. I think jeremy would say it Why falcon and the winter soldier was perfect. Oh White tack of the clones is great I was just reading off every single I'm just reading off the bad ones. There's just a shit ton of bad ones And falcon and the winter soldier be great man No, he says it's perfect Surprisingly awesome A debunk of robot head. I can't be that hard Look up millich millichina Millicioner why the fan of menace is great. No that movie shit Yeah, like we don't want to be No, whoa, what is that? Pocket is look up millitz millizioner Does anyone recognize what that is? Oh, no, I just scrolled down millizioner And apply it to it. It's an upcoming video game And apply it to other worlds. It uses voice communication. Why the amazing spider-man is great. Oh man Oh, but he made a video implying avatars last airbenders overrated. Oh my god Oh You never know what's happening. Oh, and you made a video on anomaly ink as well. Oh, no Why lute was perfectly written in the last jedi man. Does this guy not like anything? Does he just like I was gonna say perfectly written. He clearly likes sub-star I was just saying does he does he not like anything? Does he hate anything? Like What the hell? Geez Oh Why recasting jack sparrow is a terrible idea? Man, he is just like it's just like all over the place. You don't know what's gonna happen next The ravers kylo ren fight makes complete sense That's a video it makes sense. I do like that Oh, are we in there? How did how did we slip away? How come this loser is making fun of like anomaly and critical drinker and geeks and gamers But he hasn't made fun of us yet. What the fuck give him a chance. He might get around to it If you're listening to this and you can understand what words are make a video on us Please A month ago, he went after a plinket Why captain marvels? Yeah, it is a wild card this guy in her back pocket. Yeah, this guy could we could just Oh, that's what we could do. We could do a spin the wheel We could get a bunch of his videos and we could And then we could spin the wheel and whatever video it lands on we can cover He's like a wheel of the westerie if i'm just him He's like a wheel of the worst He will bring us so much joy. Thank you for bringing this this clown to our attention. Does he have a last of us to take though? Oh, I don't know. That's a good question. So you want I i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he thinks it's great. Yeah Someone going to oh, I'll ask him. I'll go into his latest video and ask if you like the last of us too One of his videos is literally how to deal with hate. I love my comment section smiley face. Oh turf nation youtube Oh, this is a different turf nation Rizas got youtube turf nation rizas say Well, oh I think I can oh here we go turf nation. Okay. I found it. Let's go to his videos The problem with reactionaries on you. Oh, he used the retarded r word I remember being very confused by reactionary because everybody was Because I thought reactionary just meant you reacted to stuff, but it specifically means on a particular political bend Since like no, but those other side they definitely don't react to things Yeah, I guess it's what for me. It's like it was like why would we don't just use a really broad term instead of being like No, it's specifically if you're on that side of the aisle. We are a small We are a small group of reactionary verbal terrorists I've watched the first five seconds of his captain marvel video. I'm already getting out the bleach So anyway Um, almost forgot to tattle as said Iron Man 3 was a good movie a few days back I was on a stream with him when he said that and uh, I'm afraid it's just like yeah, I I hate that fucking movie. It's a piece of shit. Um, all right I've asked what his opinion is on The Last of Us 2 a wait further bulletins as events warrant And uh, yeah, I think it was on a real bbc The main argument I lay out was just that um Tony gets fucked over in that movie and then that's not even including all of the like insane plot bullshit that happens and How much trouble shane black made for all the writers after who had to take care of iron man. It's like thanks, bro It's fucking ruined it for everybody Which was bizarre to think about that they were given free reign with the scripts back then to the point where they weren't even like Hey, make sure you have to make sure these particular things stay the way that they are so that the rest of stories can continue Because um as a little known fact about Uh, winter soldier Making it so that shield was hydro was not something joss weeden was made aware of while he was making the tv show all about shield a little bit awkward you could say create some problems But no no one here really has any thoughts about that. I was a little bit surprised. I think everyone's very busy right now Must be I'm sorry. I actually I actually was looking at something. Uh, I I'm sorry I'm in three No, I really am actually no, you know, I'm looking at chat chat. You can react to it And I'll I'll appreciate that as my company today. No. Oh, I know I That's right then No, no, I don't accept that. I will not accept this The mc would be better off the iron man three winter soldier. Hey, don't ignore me. I agree. Hey Hey, can I only hear anything that's a weird background noise It's only got a weasel He's in my room um Okay, uh, I have some shackles long man and pet rags for me. I forgot to say hi to fringy two last time Um, hey, I guess that counts and um, thanks for helping me to develop my own writing of characters. Oh, that's great Uh, I hope you're doing you're doing all right good stuff Uh, I was very scared when pete davidson was going to be in the film, but then he was promptly removed. Yay That's what I hear. I haven't seen any of his work But people find him incredibly unfunny. So seeing him get his head blown off was apparently very satisfying Wait, what is the guy's name? Pete's pete davidson if he's the equivalent of like Oh, fuck. What's his name chunky british guy who's in these conquer leaf in loads of movies James corder. Yeah, if it was like that and he got his face blown off at the beginning That would be very fun to watch So if it's similar I can understand Um, I knew I would love stalone as king shark, but polka dot man was a big surprise Fun fact stalone reprises his role as rambo for dlc in modal combat 11. Hey neat. Yeah, he did Um And there was much rejoicing for the the killing of that guy. He is good. I just I haven't seen any of his stuff um Yeah, polka dot man A lot of people came away saying they were surprised and that's just goes to show you how Set in sort of standards and and tropes we are in terms of like the guy who's dressed with polka dots and stuff He can't be that interesting, right? But it's just no reason why he wouldn't be Because our writing works Maybe if um, james gunn makes another suicide squad film he could have the pete davidson Characters role filled in by amy schumer. That'd be great. Oh, yeah, she doesn't have a face But I think she does it's a little flimpy um She's alternatively handsome is that what you're saying? I would say alternatively ugly It's a whole new realm Rags, would you like to come to brazil? I'd happily show you some places. Please come and put me in your bag Get me out of this place. Also. Hi Hi, um Unfortunately, no, I'm not I'm not seeking to visit brazil. Um at the moment um other places are on my list and I um I do wish you like australia for instance. It's possibly definitely definitely. Yeah, exactly Um long man I rags Hello, hi there Uh, you're cutting wit delivered with dulcet tones. Delightful pastime. Thank you for gracing us with your time Have some money for your troubles. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Cheers Um savante not being played by neil breen is a failure I mean, I would be happy to see neil breen is one of those He's an actual genius So it would be pretty cool to see him in a movie like that Just don't know. I don't know how he would behave on set. I wonder if he would be like, can I direct this scene, please? Is he like, uh What if they had neil breen do the uh the mo cap for weasel next time? You're gonna be a star neil. No, no, no, that's too demeaning for neil breen. He is directed Starred in and written Five feature length hollywood professional films that have all turned to profit. Yeah That would be funny though to see neil breen and the suicide squad Um, where is the star? How can we find him? Being fluent in multiple languages is being a polyglot Hmm Polyglot, is that real? I don't know. I don't believe you pop poly lot Yeah, that's okay. Knowing are using several languages. I'm looking up the etymology for this bitch Um, I can see where the poly came from Yeah, polo from your greek polo money and then glotta, which is tongue So what do you call people who have a lot of tongues? They really got themselves into a corner with that one Luckily, there's not many of those people so they don't feel that disparaged, but you're still correct. Yeah, gotta worry about that Um, there's a weird correction. What do you tisms think of high frame rate films? I'm fine. Not not a fan. I think 24 is probably best I mean, I know they've experimented a couple times, but it tends to look uncanny. It's not impossible But it's 24 frames. It's just kind of become the film look and in my opinion Is it is it uncanny because it isn't the the norm if they were all in 48 would Yeah, because that's all the issue. You have to wonder if everything we're in Whatever frame rate up till now then someone goes what do you think of this 24? I'm trying where it looks a little choppy, but the action feels a little bit more gritty I could see people being like, uh, you can't see what's happening. It's all so laggy Because I know the first time I played video games at a really high frame rate when I got a big boost to it after like a new computer It felt bizarre Because there was just so many more frames than I was used to and it was so smooth. It was it was it was just bizarre It was strange Yeah, I think it's gonna become an execution. I've seen so few examples the I really don't think I can be definitive on it Yeah, the hobbit sequels had like the 48 frames per second right or something like that and yeah, it was like gemini man recently that Neither of those man. These are particularly good gemini man. Hi gemini man. Sorry. Jiminy like yeah, like the cricket I was about to do that Yeah, I'll be faster. You gotta be faster. This is e-faster. I gotta go faster faster faster faster faster It's just It's just elbows knuckles. Oh, yeah, true Yeah, we get someone to edit the gemini man poster with jimmy cricket When you wish upon a star Star oh Get on a chat I can't believe james gunn said in this film that all boomers deserve death Which is the one boomer really He was uh, and I wish he would have put a bit more Mr. Boom barium and the boomer tomb boomer tomb. This one's kind of cool. I will I'm saying Boomer too. It's better than boom tube Okay So I'm getting to the point now with a little bit more separated by time Which means I skip wait skip wait skip wait. I feel like there's a good chance that I might miss one this way And I'm so sorry if that happens, but I'm gonna do my best to make sure I catch mole because like I said It's just glitched out for now Uh, safe to say is it better than the previous? Not even close As far as I'm saying death not a big question Yeah, this one. Yeah, the old super. They're the old super the old suicide squad was really shit. It really was. Yeah, that's really shit It wasn't even fun shit like aquaman Which we thoroughly enjoyed watching I mean, I enjoyed gaslighting you as we watched it, but that's just sludge Shouldn't like people on gas fucked up It's too How many dollar to do efap 150 in your welsh accent you didn't even spell welsh correctly put welch um But um, I'm gonna say that's that's a no. I would not want to keep up going for a whole stream I like talking normal. All right. No, not disgusting Moon accent stuff. It's just anything that isn't my own normal Lighting people on gas as you know will result in the fire truck immediately arriving just instantaneously As we learned from garlic phone yesterday yes Like that I'd say this is worse. There's a worse gardens of the galaxy, but still fun Um from what I remember. Yeah, it's worse than gardens of the galaxy, but um Still fun indeed. Yeah My efap head cannon mohler the daddy rags the wife because bottom springy deadbeat roommate Battle angry jim and neighbor efap guests the kids who went to college and come back to wash clothes Okay Uh lord long bone of mule mule bling mule blington abbey. Did you know that modern giant monster? Dai kaiju movies use mocha m o c a Uh, both because it's useful as in I guess that's mocap um and as a nod to the classic japanese anime suitomation Maybe let's talk about something else Well, I mean Japanese movies would have a person in a suit with a miniature city. So maybe they Oh Well, I would say that it's not a homage, but rather because like mocap is incredibly useful. I was just gonna say that's just how We do a lot of stuff now right like Well, I mean, it's what video games do now like basically all of them It just it's just makes it look more realistic if that's what you can own if someone was like Can you believe it godzilla was actually mocap from like a guy in a suit? I should be like that makes sense to me I guess I know that sounds yeah, it makes kind of sense to me. Yeah Um ps really hard to animate. Oh, sorry Well, you can Karen it was about godzilla I was just gonna say it's like really hard to animate Believeably realistic people like it's tough because there's things that we do Whereas like if you're animating for like cartoons, it's like you're not really going for realism So you can stop pushing it a bit more Well, a bit more a lot more depending on what you're doing Um Yes, hello waggly waggly Hello, uh, waggly walk squishes for the good boy. Cool. Thank you very much um scanning scanning Any minute now I believe in you Oh, that one didn't have a message in it. You're breaking all the rules No scanning There we go I thought the military was deliberately not killing harley because they want to capture Maybe i'm wrong So they nearly kill her a million times over in that beach scene any one of those bullets could have hit her So the only time you can say that really is when they finally have any of that ending But it's still a bit wonky I'd say So like how does that um, how would you say that impacts the plot if she dies on that beach like what javelin, right? I guess javelin might might give it to someone else But nobody else is gonna be there to get it Like already fled so yeah I guess the big thing would be would there have been that scrub in terms of like milton dying and get men Then there's people coming in at that time would star have been released Well, I think I guess would be The the deal with like I think what's the dude's name that she fucked luna? Oh, yeah, he'd still be a lot. Yeah So no matter what it changes a lot. They're like there's no getting around it Maybe weasel would have taken the javelin and used it to say what the fuck my phone just said Twitter is required by german law to provide notice to users who are reported by people from germany Via the network enforcement act reporting flow. We've received a complaint from someone in germany regarding your account We've investigated it and found that you have not violated any rules Metal Jesus This whole time Telled you hey You know when you've been reported, um It's specifically like a german person reported you I have heard of this happening from middle eastern countries And now germany you think that like it'd be more comforting to just never be told this Um, well, so part of the message it seems that they are required to tell me apparently Yeah, that's weird that nations rules, I guess it might yeah, it's gotta be some kind of something in some contract or law somewhere Yeah, because there's a like privacy laws and and stuff like that and information. Yeah Metal was the imposter. It's what you're good for making me cry all the time. Um, nothing. Yeah I mean, all right then I'm not very invested in this. I'm gonna just take it. I'll be right back I feel thin like a stormtrooper scraped over too much plot armor. Little bit of baggins Happens canning Uh, damn y'all might rip this apart, but I'm probably just gonna buy hbo max watch this and catch the last half of the show I'll be back. Well. Yeah, you could have seen the movie almost three times by now So he's probably You probably better to come back Um Disappointed that david died when he just began his arc and harley quinn looks like she finished his Multimovie arc. Maybe he got stuck in tentacle So david is the one that everyone keeps saying they're happy he died Um, but apparently someone out there didn't want him to die. There they go Good for you david As fringo showed you any more episodes of simpsons. If not, I suggest you watch the season six episode home of bad man The best cultural commentary Um, when they say you I assume they mean Yeah, um, and yeah, because like me and frio you've seen all of classic simpsons many times over But uh, yeah rags I think I I was only shown in the episodes because I happened to be watching them I was I wanted to see some of season six again. But you're right. Um on the bad man's again Uh, Ben, I have a question No, Ben, no I don't know anything about hober simpson, but I say we should have what was it less More more funding for public school all money for public schools. Yeah, that's right Just totally disconnected from what's happening So I think this film continuing from the previous shows walla no longer trusts flag and was looking to replace him and was willing to sacrifice him Why would she not trust him? Yeah, I feel like that's a little bit post-talk. I don't know that she would have known flag's reaction to The information obviously he wasn't told by her Um, well when she you couldn't have accounted for, um, uh, the thinker telling them about this, right? Well, no, what I'm saying is Um, she could she has that information. She could have told flag That's the nature of the data So you got to make sure that nobody accesses it or releases it But she didn't meaning she obviously didn't trust him with that information Um, or she just can't compartmentalized it felt he didn't need to know it Um, which she did She did not do in the first one, right? She flag knew that they were picking her up I think right. Yes. Yeah, they did So I But like the idea that Like she's okay with him dying I feel like we need something to work with more so than just he nearly died and then did die and You know it Like if someone said like flag is dead And we got a facial reaction from her that you could interpret as more of a Like good sort of thing. I don't know Um, better question knowing what we know later Why not have ratcatcher come in solo and take the entire enemy army out with zero losses? That's a stupid idea. I don't know that's very stupid Like have her come in on her own and hopefully I don't even like why wouldn't you want her to be as part of a team? Why wouldn't it make sense to give him one bullet and the that plan's fucked? Yeah, she's a blast in and she's got the rats, but She's also Going to be the least like combat experience or combat ready of the bunch. I think besides weasel You don't know that man You could be phenomenal. Uh, he's just not good with water, you know I just I I would love to see weasel in action That's the one thing that we really missed out on from this movie. I I need to see weasel in action Yeah, like imagine an environment similar to like a jungle and he's just really fast and he's bouncing off all kinds of trees and Jumping around and like he's got claws that are attractable and he's fucks people up He's like, oh my god, he bounces into a kind of garden My so what I'm what I'm visualizing is and I've called him like murder scrat, right? You know how scrat he's kind of like mr. Bean in a sense He's just like he causes chaos inadvertently wherever he goes. I I feel like that's what weasel would do That's how he takes people out just setting off chain reactions of completely unpredictable Events that result in catastrophic losses of life for the enemy enemy side Got it. Got it. You know, he needs to be paid respect. I would say Respect that character Um, remember boobah lady boobah lady survives. She goes flat with blood, but she's alive. I think so Could see her return Yeah, she can be in the suicide squad tray Um, yeah devil it's a possible style for uh For weasel The main analyst guy is the on-set stand-in actor for the shock character They see he's like the mocap guy, I guess That's neat I've seen photos of it. Obviously they had to have somebody be nanaway um scanning Oh gosh Do you want to do you want to see what the the name of the song that plays when the rats are taken over staro? Uh, what is it? I would greatly like to ratism noise Still really mention it, but there we go music and soundtrack and this movie is also really good A lot more tonal sitting and what is it john murphy like his music was actually really solid So suicide squad perfect a movie that represents what people who love this film or universe should maybe Shake hands on if I wasn't clear in minecraft kill yourself Oh my goodness. Oh, okay. All right Uh on on hardcore mode after I've you know gotten pretty far. I guess so yeah Oh Please watch and criticize or just watch and judge the video link I emailed you a few days ago and the other videos I have uploaded. There's a tlj review I'm afraid That was like the fast track way to definitely not Could you imagine if like a five dollar super chat could request me to review videos people have made? It's like fucking hell like there's no way I could accept that Uh, I would be We can't even get through all the backlog for super chats. Let alone reviewing people's videos and stuff Um Do do scan. Oh, there was a high rags Hi there. There you go um I am actually This is kind of a neat way to do it in terms of being able to know how far into the stream. I am I'm now one hour 20 minutes So, uh, almost. Oh neat Canning Canning I'm gonna hop off now. It's getting quite late Very well, mr. Metal Those we'll see around people to even more people to To report on on twitter. Yeah, I'm gonna I need to try with moller again because that didn't work Yeah, that's that's silly make sure that you have your boulders alibi lined up Yeah, I have people interested in chat. Uh, the the gaming thing from yesterday Should be up tomorrow on my youtube archive if people haven't catch that The and there is a link to your twitch in the description But metal plays video games and stuff Uh, yeah, you can watch that there too for the next 30 days But it's already archived. So no worries Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can find it there. Obviously. Um I think there's an unlisted version for moller, but it'll be on molla one day One day like two years or another. I'm gonna find that's a song I'm gonna get you get you get you get you. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'll catch you guys around. Goodbye. Goodbye. Mr. Mortal Hello lads got to get ready for work. So I can't stay long. Hope you all have a great day. It's been a fun. Oh, you too I've enjoyed talking about this movie. I figured I would because we had a lot of fun with it and um it's almost A little more interesting than a great film in that there's so many topics to talk about in terms of how things sort of go back and forth Uh in terms of like quality and stuff Um, I don't know what we were talking about at this point This is no molly. You're wrong. I'm with rags on this one. Honestly embarrassed. You'd even say it Yeah, I mean that could be anything. I could be all of the things we've talked about You have the slightest idea how little that narrows things down Is Yeah, you know, it's I just I couldn't possibly know I could have been talking about anything from Guns to peas. I know those are related, but I just I don't know could be either Or everything in between beans. Yeah, I mean, right. It's talk about beans before Probably great. I am pro beans. Yeah Except lima beans. I hate them. Oh I really don't like lima beans. I'm convinced nobody does it's just an agreed upon live that Some people just tell The line would be If up is my muse my love my friend don bless you all Don't bless you all the dawn bless you Don't bless you Do do yeah, I'm afraid so scanning is gonna start to come chunkier and chunkier as I go on Don't just you're just gonna have to you know, just gonna have to give me a stack while I push forward again and again and again and again That is the exciting way I fell this air Oh heroes of efab. Yeah, what do you guys think of all goodest boy brendan frazier making a comeback also high rags I'm excited Pro him making a comeback. I mean, yeah, he seems wonderful in any piece of like interview I ever see of him and from what I gather He like several really unlucky things happen to him that fucked his career Um, and so everybody wants to see him succeed and he's gonna be in a scorsese movie, which is You know, there's a level of prestige there that hopefully oh, that's great. Maybe you can get some more roles as well Yeah, fingers crossed. Yeah We're gonna call it the daddy returns Instead of the mommy returns mommy returns. Oh, yeah. Yeah could do it. Yeah, that'll be like him I'm glad they only made two and then stopped after that He's also vulnerable on doom patrol that uh, yeah, a lot of people praise doom patrol. I have not seen it I I really enjoyed watching the mummy and george of the jungle growing up. So I'm happy for him. Yeah Two hours late. No worries since it's an efab stream. You know, it'll just have started still I think by two hours we was we were a good chunk into the movie. So, you know, we were Very quickly. Oh my god. I'm scanning this just like holliest cringe like from loads of people at once Yeah That's that's the only word I can describe it. This makes me cringe Uh, the white house would consider a foreign country being destabilized a positive development. Was that a dig at trump the cia? Uh Then they said well would make more sense. Oh, so was it a dig at trump the cia would make more sense I don't think it makes sense in any way shape or form Um, I don't know what I don't know if you consider it a dig I think it's just bad writing where it's like the governments aren't concerned let starow in and so it gives us our heroes a dilemma I think it's just a half-assed attempt at a like political satire. Uh, that's like sort of a dig at american foreign policy across history, but I think it's just a lazy way to get uh conflict between Yeah, honestly, I think the answer is a lot simpler than anyone's giving you credit for they need it so that the government don't get involved So they go yeah, the government totally are okay with this happening. Well, you're like, right It's just the context is just no it's nonsense. Yeah um I'm a look rags you have learned. Um What is it called Cyrillic? Do you know exactly what this says, right? I I can speak it phonetically. I think I cannot speak it. So unfortunately um Love the Content What's the why lethal? lethal of eat There what little of it there is Love the content what little of it there is what little thank you I do like uh, I do like the fact that you uh, even though you um You know don't get as much though. You will be getting some quite soon. Oh my goodness Um, they're uh that that you do like it. Yeah, there's a few better than most could say a lot of it is You don't make a lot of it But what I hate is terrible or even worse you make a lot of it and it's all shit Yeah, so thank you Harley feels 100 inserted because james gun was told to she doesn't fit with the rest of the story Yeah, she feels that way. I was gonna say is that a failing on his part then because he feels that way But I don't think he had any mandate on who he had to include Yeah, I don't think he did either. I think he just did a bad job and we have to that's He's did a bad job. He certainly had the Screen time to do something good. He just yeah, and The next super chat says it sounds like or it seems like Warner Brothers added Harley's subplot to gun script It's like it's so funny that that's how everybody feels about it. And yet it probably wasn't that It's always the studio's fault. Like it's weird It's always the publisher Yeah, it's the same as it's always the publisher and it's like, yeah You know, there's plenty of instances where the studio the publisher is interfering But like don't assume that's always the case It's crazy how james gun said Harley deserves to be in the upper echelon of heroes like batman and superman I never got the intense love for it That's what I mean. Like this could be the explanation those scenes he gave it That's him like being like Harley so fucking awesome And you just sort of like man You're like, oh, you're just having a Zack Snyder moment. Unfortunately He's having a moment of some kind like if kind of feels awkward like Like oh, I love it. This is about this how I want to see what what she's doing. You're just like, all right But she has her own, you know specific scenes like Harley Quinn scenes two big ones while everyone else has to be in like group scenes Which isn't a knock to them, but it You know thinking about it from the direction that he really wanted to celebrate and have her And the lines up It's just I just don't think they worked out. I don't think they're particularly good Um, I messaged that I unfollowed Hassan You wanted to know why I watched him his angry gamer energy paid well with America's craziness covered big issues BLM capital riots felt connected to the world ps love this podcast Oh, wait, could you I I kind of missed the first part. Was he saying like why he was Yeah, we kept asking like why the fuck would and he so he He actually said I I messaged that I unfollowed him and uh the reasoning that he did follow him in the first place Was he had angry gamer energy paired with America's craziness and covering big issues and he felt connected to the world while watching Hassan Oh, that almost I guess that's like an explanation, but All I would ever say is like I feel like you can just find better Well, that's that's it though, right like so when you when you fall into his chat as a result of just Imagine just I'm not saying this person's a child Don't misconstrue it But if you're you just came on to the internet, you know like twitch big streamers talking about events I'm interested in oh this chat and then you just get involved posting the pet bays and Getting to know the community and the memes and the history and looking at highlights and joining the youtube You can just get subsumed in one channel And then it's like, do you know how many other channels there are and what they offer and some people like Like did you happen to just find him first and you literally never looked for anyone else because he is a Fucking idiot in a hateful prick. I was because everybody covers all those stuff. That's like in that format and genre Obviously we don't but it's not like and it's not like what Hassan does is unique There's like plenty of Hassan's. Well, does anyone do it? Does anyone does anyone do it as bad as he does? I'm sure Yeah, microba probably but like somebody as big as him with that profile like man. I don't know I don't know how many people I would Say worse than him and what he does and what he does specifically which political commentary And it's not even like it's just vacuous Yeah, well, that's the thing I genuinely think that the answer to it is just uh, there's a lot more out there that offers What you get from him and a hell of a lot more I would argue Yeah But hey, you know that they're apparently enjoying eFap Uh, hopefully we satisfy your poor portions of your media desperation Like I said, yeah, I do I do hope it. Yeah But uh, yeah, so the the next one I'm a little bit confusing I agree with southpaw with Thor. There is a lot more of weight due to stakes Wow weight Is that in reference to the humor like well, it's cutting the stakes is spelt as the food I am evil because I am fat. Yep Like it is a A form of sort of signifier and sub stuff where it's like Fatty characters will just be like you just associate with it depends on the personality that comes with it, right? But like them being fat can help with you believing that there are some kind of like gluttonous character Yeah, like I could believe a fat person cooked in eight a dozen innocent school children I can't really believe a skinny person would Doesn't What if they have really good metabolism What they're like phoenix They just vomit all the children back up. This is a movie right now. Yeah um So I have zero social media and I really only watch the news at lunch when I'm at work So why was everybody happy when black guard died? Has the actor pissed everybody off recently? Anyways, love you all guys and high rags I'm with you on that one as far as I know. He's an annoying comedian that people don't like from snl Um, okay, that's all I know. I don't I don't think it's I don't think it's like a really serious hatred of him. I think it's just they find his jokes cringe And so it was really funny to see his face blown off. I'm guessing that was it Like in the same way that we wouldn't get some kind of crazy Um Adoration out of seeing people hurt that we don't like act as wise It's more so just they're so fucking annoying and get watching them get killed straight away. It's funny um I watched the movie with my mother she grew up in Panama and recognized a lot of the locations enjoyed the film Take my money massives. Oh, is that where they shot in Panama? It's shot in Panama. Yeah Panama I thought the same thing I didn't um Yeah, the the location um as I was free was saying it's it's quite neat Lots of places to go lots of things to see and crazy weather out there blinding sunlight I I can believe there's blinding sunlight. Yeah And it arrives just when you need it Yeah We're the old good old rain shine see that honestly that's one of those things where I'm just like when you were writing it Did you not think like wow, this is kind of really stupid actually? I'm sure it'll be fine like yeah, did no one ask you a mr. Gunn. What's happening What is what is it? You're saying is happening here. He's like the sun's really bright shut up Oh Oh, yeah that bright sun Um, watch out for that bright sun. You'll you'll get you Did hiddles subletees co-write with gun? There are hidden subletees in this I would say yes They work quite well Maybe if I start reading the ones that are coming in while I'm searching for the next ones because that'll help with the pacing of this um The newest one says also working at a theater someone had private watch party and watched empire strikes back and played classic stars Battlefront 2 a great day That sounds like a lot of fun That sounds like a lot of fun. I wonder how yeah gaming on a fucking theater screen. I wonder What that experience is like I'd probably hate it um because generally speaking doesn't doesn't like uh Gaming on a like a uh pc monitor tend to have like better um like less input delay Yeah, because it was uh But That would be my concern I mean, of course getting to play something like uncharted on a big screen would be neat um for the spectacle, but If I'm like playing a multiplayer game, I probably would just stick to my desktop Monitor Um, doesn't it make sense for flag to go back to save harley? He's shown as someone who cares for everyone and go out of his way to help them thoughts I Don't know about go out of his way to help everybody. I it's we talked about it the whole friend thing Yeah, like I don't think they really earned it But at the same time, I guess it's like he's like we he doesn't want to leave harley. It's like okay I guess if we if we accept that he doesn't want to leave harley He'd go again. I don't think it's out of character, but it's it's not something that I feel is Like I wouldn't have guessed that I'd have been like oh Yeah, I didn't know that was in character of him to do but I guess it is The same problem she has because that's the thing that's where rick flag was until We got into that building and you start to get a lot more feel for who he is And I just feel like nobody's done that with harley across three fucking movies Yeah, three movies and we still don't really know anything about her Um old topic a hard lock forces you dumbo's to delete a save and create slash revert to a new one in order to finish the game Which isn't in ddlc or is it? Well, I don't know the I guess maybe I'll never know Yeah, you know That's I don't know how long they've been asking for but I do not know if we'll have a play it no guarantees Yeah, I don't know What are we some kind of the suicide squad? Yeah You almost wish that was in there as well Maybe that would be too both wool breakie though No, that maybe they someone was gonna say it and then someone stops him We some kind of yeah, yeah, we could do that and then and then and then yeah Anaya Then he finishes it to a third squad I think that like the the way that they incorporated the the nicknames suicide squad in this movie was like very smooth Like yeah, it's just the the nickname of task force x makes sense Yeah, and you have the whole like That mission suicide and he goes that's kind of our thing I'm like, yeah, yeah Um, I'm feeling yourself as your thing Um, I'm curious was Idris eating the chicken a reference to that article about him not being black enough Fucking wasn't what was that article about I forget? Ah, yes, because there was some bullshit like that I remember reading it, but I can't remember what the specifics were now what they said Idris Elba wasn't black enough He's pretty black. He's yeah, because it's about where he comes from or something He's not from a black enough background or something to play a particular character. It was for luther. Yeah, bbc Some when I was cast with a luther fucking diarrhea that that shit is Yeah, that that in particular frustrates the hell out of me. No, I guess it's good old fashion racism Wait, what what does? Saying a character a person isn't black enough to play a particular character Like yeah, because they wouldn't have the required I don't even I had after I don't want to misquote the fucking quote So I'll just say it's something like that on an article and it was annoying to read Y'all triggered. Yeah a little bit. I'm not a fan of racism. I am kind of against it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm anti racism Milton versus the dawn So I think if Milton was to battle the dawn the dawn is gonna win the dawn is gonna win not even close In terms of who's a better person again the dawn I mean, well survived in entanglement with a god and Milton did not survive Meeting with bullets. So what if what if the dawn let Milton win out of pity for him and Milton would win. I think that's a win for the dawn at that point A moral victory. Yeah, it's true. You see that as an absolute victory then He just can't be the dawn always wins It wasn't raped release the aik. What's happening in that tweet? So they're saying that he was raped what harley was not no She's she seemed really into it. She pulled it. She pulled him into it if you watch the scene He's asking for marriage and she grabs him and kisses him and then starts this like Jesus christ give women some chance to make decisions worse It gets worse They said that he like groomed her is the thing He was the day it was a day It was a day She very easily groomable. Is that her superpower? Also like doesn't grooming mainly refer to like, you know Oh, yeah, I think talking about literally grooming her like providing assistance for her hair I I don't think that that's how that works with good god one day. No, of course it's from twitter Every and everyone wants to say to the others that you won't pay attention because they just want to fucking fight naked calm down. It's a dress half naked Good god, where were these people for wonder woman? Because for some reason because they're saying restore the aia cut attach this like oh god snide oids are doing this like I can believe that I've just looked at his On Would you say that they're that dumb or that malicious? Dumb It's like how it's like a mob kind of where I just I went more to them being stupid Uh-huh I would say that some of them are malicious, but I would say most of them were just stupid Ah, I don't know. I don't know how to feel about it. Um Hey e-fap and hyrax Hello, I watched this suicide squad and actually enjoyed it. My family hates it But loves current marvel and star wars, which I find hilarious. Oh, yeah, don't worry. You're adopted my condolences um Also, what are your favorite movies slash games? Oh you threw that all the end Jesus christ, uh soma and Um Uh It's one of those questions where I think everything blanks what you try and think of the answer because you've got millions of them They're all gone. Yeah, we'll just give one of each starting aliens Okay, my turn. Um metro prime and two minute or two Well question was favorite game in movie. Yeah, just pick one for both I usually go saving profit right and uh Um damn Super Mario galaxy All right, next up Uh ground dollar day in batman arkham knight Next up uncharted to anon bruge And finally Um highlander and kotatsu There you go I feel like that was very efficient Yeah I really like your new face muley. It's very shiny. Oh, this is an old face So, um, let's see the I just used the mask to aim better at least in this continuity Hi everyone and high rags Hello to you Hello A better explanation for walla and telling the suicide squad to not fight staro Is it gives too much attention to the black ops squad better leave it to the supers? Then again, if it got out that americans had deployed Criminals as part of the rehabilitation program and they ended up saving the world talk about good publicity. You know what? You know what shatty you you might have solved two problems at once with that because that means that there's an acknowledgement The superheroes are on their way and we can say nice and vague which would be like the heroes will sort this out And then they're like how you know, you could be like they're not here people are dying right now And it's just like I don't fucking care if they find out you guys are here You know, it'll it'll cause whatever problems and stuff. Yeah, I think that works way better Well, it's like in mission impossible the the briefings always end with you know, if any of you or your Uh, your if you or any of your team members are are caught or killed The secretary will disavow your your actions and it's basically like they're going to cover their own asses This is weasel he's got my back Yeah Um, can I get a character breakdown for weasel? I do you really need to explain. He's phenomenal. Like you just don't see many characters like that That's an angel so much of text in all of his uh facial expressions You could tell what he represents. I would say just thoroughly trying for the human spirit. Yeah Um any thoughts on the recent harley quinn animated series if any of you have seen it high rags mulligay all right I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I've not seen it Haven't seen it. Have Oh, go ahead Oh, I've seen clips some made me laugh some may be cringe Uh, I don't have an opinion beyond that Is it is it well liked or well hated anyone? It's kind of one of those mixed opinions kind of things where some people think is phenomenal and other people think It's horrendous and a lot of the opinions seem to be very politically charged either way Oh boy a recipe for good results a modern piece of media you say Yeah Um Sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot with a video game slash movie question. It's totally fair and totally fine No, that's totally fine. I hope if that's what being on the spot is and I'm fine with it I just wanted to pick you know pick one. Yeah, I was gonna say it's just it's hard to balance because like we could go Into way more depth and make way longer lists. I just I feel like hopefully you're okay with the answers we gave Obviously, it's a lot more of our giving you know 12 suggestions. Hopefully that'll work out. Yeah Each of us would be able to have very long lists. I guess that's worth clarifying It's like we have a lot of favorites and they all rank in different places and it's Hard to pick but I'm totally happy throwing out some different ones here and there an interesting thought based on that Question what would be suggestions for like foundational games or foundational pieces of media? Ooh, that's a good question in terms of movies and stuff Well, like well for instance, if I think about video games it'd be like so probably like super mario 64 It's just required. It's like I've never actually played that I would yeah, that's what I mean. I would recommend that doom quake and half life are all in that category I feel like you know, I was thinking quake I was actually quick and metroid prime. I would put in that category for sure for like And um, I'd probably put it in halo combo involved as well. What is the goal? Here that we're trying to I feel so when I say foundational I mean like these would be the games that you need to play to get a good understanding of what video games are and like what their potential is Like if you've never heard of video games This is your introduction. Well to say like this is like the peak This is this is what we're talking about when it comes to like the highs that we can achieve with uh with video games I always feel like there'd be certain ones I'd put on there like that Maybe would seem unconventional because I probably recommend like I feel like Deus Ex needs to be on there as well If we're talking about I want to go with approachable and easy to complete If we're giving people a list. It's like super mario world in that case. Yeah, we need to Yeah, a couple smaller ones. Um, that aren't too But they don't have to have too much of an investment in that they could Play and soak up and get through. Um, and an interesting an interesting thought on that Like if you imagine so letting people know what you know retro video games It could be like, um, like I wouldn't necessarily even tell them to play an old game It'd be like play shovel night. This is like this is a distillation of that era of platform Is it's a really cool? Yeah, it could be a modern retro game. Absolutely. Yeah, we could Um, yeah Super metroid or like symphony of the night. Yeah, probably like Stuff that yeah, I I mean Yeah, probably a super mario game is probably good for platforming because it's you know, not particularly difficult And there's a lot of stuff in there and those are well well designed games and they have a lot of Appeal and a lot of stuff to teach you Um, I think You know what I probably would put I probably would put like the last of us or uncharted on there just to be like So this is this is kind of like this cinematic Game like here's here's your here's what that is not necessarily that I think Yeah, I mean, yeah, the last of us's gameplay is not very good, but yeah, I know Yeah, but pokemons. No, no chat. I would not have pokemons on that list We had a couple of threads made on the subreddit after what we said about pokemon people very upset with our tree Oh, that's fine. They can grow up at their pace. Um, but yeah, they're uh Pokemon is not a game that I would give to someone who I would start if if like if we had to compose a list of Here three games to get someone into gaming or even a single game to get people into gaming I feel like that's almost more of a more that who is that person kind of thing. Yeah, for sure But um, if it's just like I guess you're quote unquote average person um I've probably given Call of Duty 4 with multiplayer. That'll be like a really easy way to get them hooked in I think um I guess the concern will be if they want to play that And only that or if they would actually go somewhere from there Maybe the spider-man game on ps4 could you've got like parkour? Yeah It's very much your third person action adventure game with stealth elements for sure Yeah, tech. Well people say in tetris is like man, I do really like tetris. I love that game I'm not sure if that would be the one that I would suggest It won't if it was often like actually first video game if it was among any absolutely Yeah, if you're saying you can give them a single video game to get them interested in the idea I think tetris would be pretty solid as a yeah Is a starter. Yeah, you know what you know what yeah, because it's so it's so straightforward It's yeah simple. It's easy to learn how to do people in Tetris is a game where someone if they suck at it They can they understand what it is to improve at it and what that means and what it looks like, you know I think so. Yeah, it's good in a way of like This this you understand the the scope of the game relatively quickly So you can yeah, so this is the playing field. This is what it does do it Now that I've been reminded of tetris. I just brewed it up tetris 99 It's it's the curse it's the curse and um, I just realized see you have tokens that you can use to buy Stages that have different music in aesthetics I don't think I've ever redeemed any of these because I have 325 tickets and like unlocking a theme only costs 15 and there aren't that many I could unlock everything in this game. I think that's how much I've played it by the way Mark the cyborg. He's um, he's a lad from the geeks and gamers team. I believe he watched this sometimes he's he popped on On an e-fab prior. He was he sent me this He's like, uh, my dog looks a lot. Oh my god Suddenly the confusion is much more understandable that top left. I totally see it Holy Oh my good mark. You were so lucky terrifying How does it feel to own a celebrity? Yeah And by the way, I I want to take the cover off so people can see it more clearly But obs has currently frozen for me in such a way that it works But my display of it is frozen So I can click to go back To the things that I want But it doesn't change on the on the program itself very kind of eerie, but yeah, so I'm sorry about the cover, but you can kind of see it um amusing to say the least Portal might be another hilarious portal. Uh portal portal's a really good one for like Yeah, that's like the next stage. I feel like this that's the next stage kind of yeah Yeah, like what you like the idea of video games because just flat out some people just won't be For some reason Yeah, some people just don't like video games don't like fun. They're not like cool things But some stuff Well, I'm not going to pretend like I understand that I don't understand how somebody couldn't like video games You know, maybe a maybe a coke addict would say that about us not like Roger Ebert didn't like video games free Yeah, I know he didn't like video games Was it that he didn't like them will never be art? Oh, he thought they went odd. Yeah, which which is also Another wrong very very wrong Well, I'm pretty sure um amazing atheist said that way back when which is a major mistake too That's that's one of those blunders Of a thing to say the thing about it is it sounds so wrong that you're like What do you categorize as art then because like you must be working with some kind of system That's just completely alien to me because it just doesn't make any sense at all in some ways Video games are the greatest collection of many crafts all at once It's like well, it's odd. It's programming. It's design. It's storytelling It's down design. It's like it's it's it's everything that film has plus like additional elements I can't yeah, I can't Open up a movie and Pone noobs Exactly, uh, we have people in chat being retards here a game cannot be art art is paintings A game cannot be art I think they're joking That person went on to say is monopoly art. It's like yes to art. Yes Yeah, so this is why we often don't use art as a way to like to describe art It's all odd because art is super broad Everything basically yeah Art is communism Well, no as we oh wait what oh that thread Remember that threat well, you remember it because it came up like just today and that thread Where it was like if communism is achieved, what will you do? Oh my god Nobody wanted to be a farmer. Everybody wanted to be a farmer Everybody wanted to do something really nice and fun on their farm. I like that one on my farm and on my farm your farm Our farm And this is our farm comrade Garen fucking teed. They have never been on a farm Yeah, they have the idealized version of it in their head Yeah, they they think that it's farmville and they could just give their friends That's a reference. Where did you? Oh, yeah We might not know. When did you read the communist manifesto on a farm? Thank you, Friggy Yeah, that ought to dispel the Friggy as a communist We're supposed to be at least another 15 minutes Where did you learn critical theory on a farm? Yes, I feel like A lot of memes. Anyway Next up is rate the rick versus peacemaker scene out of 10 Oh, that's like a we're getting to like an eight or nine Yes, pretty good. There's if I was to inspect the choreography. I might find Some little bits I know there's a weird cut at one point where rick punches him and it cuts to an elbow him elbowing him It's a little weird Um, I don't think it makes no sense. It feels more so like a jump forward in time by like a second um for the sake of the action but Um, and I think you can give some room to peacemaker not making sure he kills him as soon as possible because he really is more So invested in the drive than killing rick Um Which gives him a few gaps, but then of course he commits to it And I think you you get a vibe when he's um, he's strangling him the peacemaker's like you're really gonna kill me So I have to kill you Um, but yeah, really really strong scene, uh Is it is it the favorite scene in the movie dragon? It's uh might be mine It might be mine because I think about these two people And why they're doing what they're doing and it gets me very invested But there's a lot of good scenes in the film as far as I'm gonna do Yeah There is a lot the fact that we have a bunch to choose from it's kind of it's kind of neat. Yeah That's interesting because like, uh, instead of saying the end the credits when it ended when I could go home It's funny because you said that your your favorite character was like slud bored But you're you picked a scene where that he's not even in it's like as your favorite scene. Is that funny? Is that funny? Is that we it's not hilarious. Well, no, it's just it's it's interesting that um, You know these two characters their conflict is So good. It's still like a favorite scene of the film even, uh, You know your favorite character Period isn't a part of it. Yeah, um, it's not it's not like a critique or anything Yeah, to me as a testament of the the character work in the film That's uh, that's probably the better way to phrase it Rick flags final line is the counter to the whole you can't talk about media for longer than it is argument Yeah, it's it's one of many we talked for a while about that line And you know we talked about the movie in total for about seven and a half hours That's not that much longer than the film, you know, this is kind of same Long man bad. Oh, what a joke Oh, yeah, that was that was said about b&b studios. Um, sorry, I don't have a hundred dollars to tell you why you're gushing over trash Oh You don't have to not have enough money to explain how we're I mean, it's just as we I feel like we've been pretty reasonable We tore into this film Quite a bit dead. It's five out of ten. You can go to think you tore into it for five five out of ten Um, this movie was fun because of the great character writing. That's it. Enough said I this um, you know What you can draw out of it for fun You know when you have plot armor scenes or scenes of Harley killing everybody inexplicably I could totally see someone saying I found Those fun. I'd be like, yeah, I mean You can find anything fun. Jack Snyder probably loved it well I think he really you probably can't promote it, right? I'll be happy about it because in some ways this Uh People see like celebrating this as shutting down air and air is connected to Snyder in ways The whole thing just there's so much there's so many things you need to factor into this world Yeah, you just is it good? There's so many fucking biases that makes it impossible to know if someone thinks something is Something the way they've said it or if it's because of they got a toe a line of some kind Man, it's not a fun way. It's not that isn't not the way to do it, but to each their own I guess Attempting to have a back and forth with chat. You guys learn nothing from mr. Nuggets a son. Hail efap high rags Hello, don't worry. We'll ban all of you at the end. That's the way we do it Yeah The more months you have the faster the bad go outside and and uh consume vegetation Consume grass. Yeah Look look at this super chat This movie gave me something I haven't felt in a while real stakes for the characters I was concerned for if they would live and die. How amazing is that with how much plot armor there is Oh, yeah, that's that's yeah, but like I felt the same way. I was genuinely considered I feel like the plot armor in this movie is something that we will be referencing into the future as an example If whenever it crops up. Yeah This is a good movie. Love you rags All right Four five and six do not register with these loons. It's either a negative or less than three if I hate it or a What greater than set I think it's with I think it's oh they're talking about chat some people in chat I was gonna say how could they say about us? We literally gave it a five We went for a very confused. Yeah. I yeah, I I get you. I get what you're saying Uh rags, please stop saying the n-woods so much Uh, well, no, no charge cheese Do they oh they don't like that weird damn They want rags What Nothing go ahead. No, well, they they just want rags to be more niggardly with the n-word Yeah, man, you uh, you don't be you don't be careful then The bot might have been like, what was that? It's a it's a legitimate word Legitimate way from uh from from that game the the yeah, you're acting like back for blood zombies That is just such an amusing story that these two separate lines Just matched up at the worst possible time It's really funny piece maker one capture the flag. Oh You can capture and kill them, but I guess you're using couch Uh, just got out of the theater Yeah, just got out of the theaters was notified before the film started the characters easily carried the film can't wait to hear you guys thoughts While we felt the same way Yeah It's it's like as if uh applying the standard to this movie it's generating a lot of very similar Conclusions. Yeah seems to be At least in our community different communities different results. Um, like I said, I've seen some hardcore hatred for this film And people who are like hey look, you know, this movie's not great, but holly quinn, man Um Hale been an e-fapper from the beginning here is to another year of e-fapping Hale molla hail rags hail metal hail fringy hail mods hail guests Hale indeed. Hi there. Yeah. Hope you still having fun three years on Um, how can you hate low key and like this and then they got lots of smiley faces So I don't know if it's so probably a kappa thing a smug Ross possibly In case serious, just watch our low key coverage and you'll know why Yeah, we covered the whole thing Assuming gun gets to do the series for max. He's been named in a lawsuit alleging sexual assault Yeah, I heard about that. Apparently recently he's got a new thing. That's oh Yeah, I hadn't heard about this um But a gree gun did yo man work on these characters Yeah, I mean, I think you did good work, but yeah, uh, obviously don't know what's gonna happen with whatever that lawsuit is Or what's going on? I know very little about it Um, I think there's a super chat f for Milton makes sense mm-hmm Named in sorry james gun named an underage sex assault lawsuit for hosting pedophile themed party That uh, I don't know if that's the thing that he got fired From yes, I well, so we got fired by them for it having happened. This looks like it's a step up from Cancellation this looks more like an allegation. That's much more serious. I guess I don't know What the fuck? Oh, oh jimmy uran. Okay. That's that's his stage name. Okay Jimmy uran like p like p. Yeah. Yeah, so his real name is james uringer Uh, you want us to make a good argument, but we have only 30 characters per dollar at best to make them It's not an excuse, but that should be able to explain the lack of arguments It doesn't when you have chat and we will we will keep an eye on them all And it feels weird to me like I feel like there's a lot of arguments you can still make with a paragraph um And then if you at least start a relatively strong argument or something and then you can you can bounce back and forth um Again, I'm just trying to think of an example, but obviously you can summarize plot armor in just two words if you were like my issue with I don't know peacemakers approach with flag I'm trying to think like invent a scenario. It's like, I don't know. I Um, I think you should have killed him way faster. It took him way too long Like that didn't take me long to say if that was a position You I'm just trying to think of like what is this argument that it requires the essay or longer than a paragraph? I feel like you guys have got plenty to work with in chat And again, it doesn't have to be through a super chat funnily enough. You probably would have gotten too faster Um through chat them with through super chat. So when we get on sections like that Um, but of course you can't make arguments like we can because we have relatively infinite time and voices so But like you do you have to as much as you want us to appreciate that you can't make the argument in that time Saying to us you're wrong. It's terrible. What do you want us to do with that? just I don't know Um I like the movie, but I know a guy who hates it because of all the violence He thought the innocence of aliens dying was unnecessary thoughts I mean it makes people don't like violence. I mean, it's fair enough It's If you're talking about the act itself versus depicting it So like I think it's good that we had that level of damage to motivate these Partially bad people to really think about the choice they're gonna make and stuff, but I mean it is a gory film I don't know How much I can say for you know, like when people talk about like movies or or blood and it's like Justified to be in there or gratuitous. It's a tough line sometimes to define You okay, did you come? Oh, no, I just read what south open the chat Is it's controversial to think birds of prey is terrific because it's terrific And if james gun had made the same movie everyone would have completely embraced it No, no slight against gun. Just think we're undervaluing kathy yan here Don't care. No, you're a fucking crazy person. Oh, shit birds of prey was shit. I'm terrible I mean bits place plot is like You know, it's got very similar and frequent problems like this one does a plot armor included But like there's no fucking characters that are interesting in that they're all like thin as fuck or non-existent Nothing of merit Um rip jimmy and milton our fallen comrades. Yeah, man Gone, but not forgotten Yeah Um, no text for one dollar even using chat. You can miss it. There is a 200 to 250 character per limit per message Well, change what I said to 199 then whatever the lower one. I don't know. But again, like I said, we were reading chat at that point So you don't need to worry about it Um With regards to the grooming comment about harley, there are apparently sapient bipeds that believe women have no capacity to become adults Thus From the sessimo perspective it was grooming So if someone was to argue to me that she's clearly doing it because she wants to maintain this strong position Instead of being a prisoner I mean There's an argument there if I don't even call that rape Um, especially when she's engaging It would just be really bad power dynamics would be the Yeah, and so that's without context with context. She's like one she's initiates. Um He's just talking about getting married. It's all very weird. But like calling it rape It's like we need to save that word for things. Yeah, like that are more, you know That's a serious thing. So we should treat it like with the amount of Serious as I feel it deserves, you know, then she kills him Like she doesn't seem to be worried about the power dynamics there The power dynamics of killing personally Yeah, there's some power dynamics going on there Um, oh no, this one says message retracted. I don't know what it said. It's gone I guess I don't know if they took it or youtube did but it's dead Yeah, I don't know friends Friends don't eat friends Well, yeah, and you know once and now I got his friends. He didn't want to eat any of them Um, this movie kind of reminded me of old B movies. I grew up watching. I think it's really appealing for that reason Well, so this is the thing I figured this movie would be loved because it's problems lie in plot and most people don't give a fuck if your characters are on point Um, so I'm just like weirded out by the reaction to it You'd almost expect that it would have been beloved and like people would just hate the fact that eFap Have to pistol over it just because the plot line is convenient or something Um But no, uh, people people were still pissed at it and I think it's easily enjoyable for that by the way Because watching bullets miss From people who are random soldiers and stuff which happens a lot in this film is stuff that I can oftentimes just be like Whatever get back to my character doing things. That's fine. I guess Um, like on a personal level and I think a lot of people feel that way Because as you can see a lot of people will like react instantly like it's a fucking action movie Like as if that's a response To that Yeah, yeah It's not like you're watching a batman show where batman is like a really really incompetent detective It's Nothing like that. I felt pointed. I felt I don't think that I don't know. I wasn't I wasn't being specific at all. I'm not naming your names Um, any of you guys big readers i'm currently deep into the wheel of time series Uh, no not for a long time I finally decided to start reading the android stream of elect sheep because I've never read that Watch blade runner, but I read that interesting so far if ringy. We just need you to say So smart me love book So so smart Love Um Anybody else because I know wheel of time is considered like fantastic by a lot of people. I just uh, I do not I've heard of it, but I'm just not familiar I think that's one of wolf's like favorite book series Um, I wish I was a bigger reader. I'm just attention deficit is fuck. So it's difficult I'm a slow reader. I need to read more I've been trying to lately Uh, I think a better way to do this help scene would be So this is this says would be dead dash whoops I'm a little bit confused about but it says blood sport shooting the fish things Oh, I guess because this thing I almost like as if they were about to say dead I get it blood sport shooting the fish things and the shark getting close to harley and panic Um, oh, do you mean like he heads toward harley so that it helps that they're able to connect with him fast and then I guess uh dead shot. It's I just did it. Thanks. So there's a blood sport shooting them Um, yeah, this is what I mean We could speculate for a while about all of the this is like everything's fixable in this as far as I'm concerned Yeah, I would say so. Yeah Um, I think people are being possessed in hollywood Okay, I'm not sure. I guess like a kappa meme thing or I don't know. I don't know. Well, the thing is the problem I don't even know what part of the conversation that's referring to but Yeah King shot, it's the ground and you see a tear all down his face I was gonna mention that the thing is he'd just come out of a torrent of water So it's not clear if that's a tear if that's just water But uh, it is lined up with his eye. So you kind of just like oh man Again just making you feel even worse for him Um stories like James Gunn are crazy and bizarre I assume they're referring to the story of like the The paedophile party thing which is weird as hell. Yeah Or he like dressed up as a priest Yeah, like I think the idea is you dress as a like Lol those those types always prey on children then dress up also as children like you can choose to come as either And it's just like that is really fucking strange That's bizarre It's really off-putting, but it's If I guess if you've got the right vibe go and everyone knows it's a joke and you're like how ridiculous Super edgy sense of humor, but like it's the kind of thing where if some friends came up with that idea I should be like I ain't fucking go into that Yeah, I mean you guys do your thing. I just uh, no I would actively advise against it Especially if I were like a celebrity or politician If I was like if I was the pope, you know It would be really bad for my image if I went to a paedophile party However, my my priest outfit would be fucking on point. Yes Um What if what if no one recognized the pope at a Pedophile party because he wasn't dressed as the pope. He was dressed as a priest Some guy and people aren't just aren't not used to seeing him when he's not in his Outfit. Yeah There are things an arrow can pierce that bullets don't physics is a wild lady Yeah Shop and how fine is the point at the end? I think it's I think if it's plates though Like if you have like kevlar threads and things that's that's one thing, but if you have like plates I don't think an arrow or I don't think an arrow is going through that Hmm doesn't think I I just um I don't so if if a bullet can't pierce a thing does that mean no knife can I'm like, I don't know that's how that works I guess I just don't know enough about how it all works to be definitive I don't I don't think that's a hole rather. It's like just a way that certain materials can do certain things physics wise Yeah Um quick addition that's a 50 ae I assume in relation to the bullets being fired caliber of a desert eagle. Yeah as far as I know they they they're in 50 ae and 357 I'm not sure if they make them in other sizes. That's just the two that I'm aware of Hail mola king I couldn't remember off the top of my head if he had a big ass 1911 or if he had a desert eagle I just could not remember off the top of me. It was a little absurd as a gun, but it's also kind of cool Like it's just big ass fucking gun Yeah, it is definitely an intimidating firearm. That's the thing. Yeah Um hail mola king of the welsh longman There are long men in many different factions. I am the king of the welsh ones Um, you have the welsh ones Collisions of that velocity make bullets deform and deflect definitely not shatter neither character could get hit from those shots Is it impossible for it to do that? There's a bit of promise. I don't know the nature of the the tiny bullet I don't know if it's like weird nano tech. It looked like a yeah, I don't know I just don't know like, uh If I had someone who knows this like super shit about all kinds of bullet collisions I could be be convinced that what happens there is impossible. I guess but probably here's the thing. It's probably horseshit I almost it's almost certainly total nonsense Well, does it not enter into sci-fi if it's like these bullets are made this way and do this it's it's It's it's knuckles is weird Fucking thing that he I don't know the nature of it. I I'll believe that the important part is that His bullet is special Because he's he uses special gear and tech so it goes through the other bullet I guess I can go with that, but I I I totally understand why anybody would think it was a bit bullshit. I understand um If I super chat pp poo poo and I make as many arguments as you did as you were doing something wrong Just saying you're wrong is not helpful pp poo poo Okay, just saying you're wrong. It's not helpful. I agree. Yeah Uh Well, because that's the thing if someone said I'm not trying to be helpful. I'm just telling you. I think you're wrong. I would just be like Okay, then Look, there's just not much I could do with it. That's all I was just like I was gonna say the reverse back. I guess Uh, I like that random percussion cap revolver Harley grabbed was loaded didn't discharge when dropped and all that it had All they had to say was a quick lampshade Well, apparently they recognized that that one was ridiculous. They didn't seem to notice the rest in the movie because that's the only lampshade we got Um And it was pretty distracting too because like Why couldn't you have done anything else to make that work? I don't know. I guess they really wanted the payoff of he turns around and gets shot because it's so un Unexpected I guess Well, her stabbing him would have had the same effect and there were there were in an area where it would be more Believe when they smashed us there'd be shards of gloss to use as well, right? Yeah, exactly. That could work Um Exactly guys. Doc Ock and Spiderman 2 isn't accurate to his original comics counterpart, but he's still a great villain No I'm so so sorry. I didn't appreciate the spirit of the comment though The The if you and this is majority accepted if you think he is a strong or great villain And Is he not comic sec because I wouldn't fucking know He's not comic sec. You're it the tentacles do not talk to him in the comics. I know that for a fact Is that enough to throw people off though? Will they say he is in spirit still on on point? Um, it's usually where it goes I I don't I don't fucking know. I just it's like, you know what? It's great that you separate your assessment of doc ox quality from the comics, but maybe you should like pay attention to Just how he how consistently he behaves through the film or How the entire plot runs on new york police being too stupid to track him when he's like the easiest person in new york's track I don't know Or how about the fact that he uh doesn't use his tentacle blades to Kill spiderman when we know that he has the intense kill him or even just injure him Um My point about someone saying harley being groomed was that there are people who believe females that literally cannot consent Acts with males because of sexual power dynamics. Perhaps I misheard the point before Well, so this is the thing. I think there are reasonable Things to say about power dynamics including but not limited to stuff like you are trapped in a hole And you can't be fed until you agree to have sex with your captor and he will put you in better standing It's like so that really wasn't you can't really call that giving consent. Can you it's all about informed consent You know like informed not under duress not under like fully. This is your decision however Having a woman and man and thus the man has is stronger and therefore it's an imbalanced power dynamic And she cannot consent to sex. We're like, so that's a crazy world and I do not consent to live in it Stop saying imagine you're confusing the poor people Just say my watch is great. The company that makes it is bad. My watch isn't now bad iraq's Hello, I don't know that I You say that that would confuse people less I feel like they're going to be more confused because now we're talking about like products and companies and Um, someone could go as far as saying a product becomes bad when a company that made it is like revealed To have done it through the harvesting of the souls of children or some shit when we're talking about Someone enjoys the story and considers it well written and then you find out it is non-faithful And does that affect the story at all and the answer is that it shouldn't But some people may actually try and bite that bullet and say, you know what if it turns out He really did base the Lord the Rings books off a comic and he completely shot on the original works Then yes, Lord the Rings is now bad. We're like damn But um, I don't the reason we pick Lord the Rings Yeah, and the reason we pick Lord the Rings because I don't believe people will bite the bullet on Lord the Rings It's not gonna happen God, well, I mean There's like pretty big changes from the books to the movies that were Necessary like the the scouring of the shire was was axed the thing is um You need to like the reason you come up with that hypothetical is you have to Slay most of Lord because like some people will be like well Most of it is intact the spirit is there and the changes were reasonable They'll say stuff like that But if you change it to the point where it's like a completely different story, they can't say that anymore Um, no one's saying the spirit of hillhouse was carried forward into the show It's got nothing to do with the book You're like the spirit of it being spooky, I guess Well you um It's it's funny because the characters in the suicide squad like I was curious to see what polka dot man was going to be like because as I understood he Turns the polka dots on a suit into like gadgets And I thought we were going to get something like that in the movie and it wasn't that They like it was they were a lot more weaponized, but it was fine it was like it was a Fine change it doesn't I can't say it's like Uh like an improvement from the comics or it's a step down It's just like it functions And yes, it's someone's only knowledge of polka dot man is from this movie then I highly doubt that they're going to Have that change affect their experience of the movie um Don't in chasset. I think with tolkin and such an epic wick people should create something that respects the written Wid he created for it to be considered good Do we have this conversation at five once the problem is these are extremes and people just don't want to give them up Like if someone can make a whole lord the rings Has nothing to do with all the rings then surely it has to be considered bad and it's just like no I'm sorry. No spider man is the big part of the you know spider man the established Character, it's like right. So it's beyond reproach. You know if we if lord the rings existed as is But froto was called peter parker and gad elf was called uncle bed. Did you say peter parker? No, I didn't say that that would be very bad um And so and what i'm arguing is and someone goes yeah, I adapted it from one of those spider man comics But I changed up the story a bit quite a bit Does lord the rings just become shit because their names have changed. It's like no No Yeah, I fucking hope not because there's a lot more in lord of the rings Uh than just whether or not it was faithful. This is the problem we face um God all modern comics are just garbage because they differ from the original golden age comics from the 40s I don't know if i'm assuming they mean it has to be satire. I think that's sarcasm I understand modern comics really are in a fucking dire place But I don't know that it's because they're not faithful to where they started, you know It's more so just the writers of shit. Yeah, superman being able to fly, you know Well, I think I think you could apply it to everything right because the comics changed from the 40s to the like 50s 60s golden age and then silver age and then like you get into the you know The 80s in the 90s and then 2000s. It's it's never the same You can't be consistent over the course of like 80 years It's really hard Uh more like can you give me a refund for this super chat? I couldn't find the exposure option um Oh, hey, oh there's your exposure already. You've got it right now. Here it comes it bathed in the exposure high rags Hello to you Um adaptation is a bad argument. Ifap is correct losers Listen, it's just impossible to maintain. That's why we can't adopt that fucking argument. It's useless Yeah, look, this isn't we don't like the argument. It's fucking useless You cannot like figure out where to put it and when it's really hard. I'm sorry Like that's why we don't like it See someone's super chat. Isn't this basic knowledge? It's like, uh, don't don't Like I wonder where these people think of the lego batman movie. Is that a bad adaptation of batman because it's Does he kill any lego people? Well, well, let's look at the snider people. How many people who are usually like it has to be exactly like I'll make suddenly sacrifice that standard when snider cut came out. Well, that's the thing. They sidestep They say yeah, well, it's elseworld superman. So it's fine. There's a lot of shit else And you that's well, I don't yeah, this is what I mean as soon as you accept elseworld as a possibility surely everything's on the table Well, so This is really funny, right? Um in the in the in the first batman comic Batman punched a guy into a vat of acid Um and in other early batman comics. He used guns. Um, and then Uh come the 40s the comics authority like the back there was a there was a Code I got like a moral code that they had to follow that was Disturbed upon them by the publisher. Oh So, um, you got this this fellow of mine this this this friend of mine batnik Who was like a big batman fan basically explained this to me The creators were forced to give batman a no kill rule Which basically means this rule that batman is widely beloved for nowadays Came as a result of censorship Actually, that's not true. Um, exactly. Yes. I'll get fucked. Yes. I'll get fucked. Yeah There's a little bit of a wrinkle because the comics code authority actually came not in response to batman killing people But people thinking that batman was gay with robin. Um, um, what? Yes And that was in the 50s sliding up and down the bat pole Oh, there was a there was a book called seduction of the innocent that just went to great length To try and paint batman as a pedophile gay man who was in a homosexual relationship with robin Siting weird things like occasionally they would sleep in the same bed together for some reason. I've seen some of those Yeah images. It's odd. It's odd Yeah, so they so so there was a mandate that won. Okay A mandate? Whoa, no So there's a mandate, um Uh from the publisher there's not from the publisher, but like the comic industry in general that okay, we've got to start Matt we've got to start fucking taking care of our own shit or the government's gonna start cracking down on us Uh, so so that was so they just basically introduced the thing where you know, you couldn't have like violence sex drugs vampires for some reason Um gay like a whole bunch of cookie shit Gotta have a gay vampire homosexuals obviously, uh, but the no kill rule actually happened As a mandate to the editor when robin came along So there was like one year of batman being able to kill people in 1939 and then as soon as robin came along in 1940 Um a publisher then said look he's got a kids psychic now We kind of want to take it in some different directions. Uh, let's have it be that he abhors Violence and gun use and all that and uh, that's kind of how that happened So they were still figuring out what they wanted from the character at that point But it wasn't it wasn't the writer's own conscious decision. It was forced upon them by the publishers Um, I need to actually read the book that goes into a little bit more detail but I think that might be I think that might be the deal um And then that and then like the the editor. Yes, that's the editor. Uh, so the editor fucking Yeah Yeah, I guess because it's a part of the conversation glib just said DC comics heroes stopped killing because parents wrote letters to the editor concerned that their children would imitate the violence and killing Specifically, they mentioned robin batman four Um, okay, because I read something different. That's why I gotta get this book where a lot of this is documented Yeah, I got my information from an unreliable source apparently Well, I'm sure it's easy to get lost in all the specifics for this because it was so long ago and there's gonna be lots of different accounts Because there's a Wikipedia that shows like what the code was in 1954. It's a long list There are a lot. So here's an interesting one um Crime shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal to promote distrust of the forces of war and justice Or to inspire others with a desire to imitate criminals That's quite a restrictive thing to do You can never show someone committing a crime that leads to you having sympathy for them What about the guy stealing bread? That feels like the immediate one. I guess I just avoid that Well, I guess yeah you Uh, and it says a crime is depicted. It shall be as they sorted an unpleasant activity Um policemen judges and government officials and respected institutions shall never be presented in such a way as to create disrespect for established authority Um in every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal punished for his misdeeds Um no comic shall use the words horror or terror in its title Um Man killed a lot of bonus horror And there's a lot. There's a lot. Yeah. Yeah Um or lurid unsavory gruesome illustrations shall be eliminated Seduction and rape shall never be shown or suggested Not even seduction What even counts definitively, you know? Oh gosh. Well females shall be drawn Females shall be drawn realistically without exaggeration of any physical qualities But I mean in in general, I guess this is like what happens when you have a code that was written in the 1950s Like it would be written different time man is different time Well, yeah, because I guess when they wrote it they assumed that everybody knew what they were talking about But like at this point in time, it's like this is so vague a lot of this is really vague Meanwhile, a lot of these are incredibly restrictive Um, sorry for the random question, but have you guys seen goldman's gold man's goldman's uh two hour ray is not a Mary sue video I have not No, I look wrong. I don't but I this is I I just don't care about the Mary Sue label as much anymore It's it almost seems like it only ever Blurs the conversation Like does she really qualifies having each of these particular characters like Ray sucks. She's a terrible character I don't care if she qualifies as a Mary Sue anymore. Like it's such a regardless. She's shit regardless. Yes Um Uh fair enough was just thinking if you tried to tackle it from a different angle be more digestible I mean, it's not like anyone thinks the Patriot's bad because it isn't historically accurate, right? I rags That was a thing Well, I mean, hello, we'll still absolutely do. Yeah, uh um Yeah, I feel like the problem with modern comics isn't because it's not like ga comics But because of inconsistencies changing established characters and attacking the fans I I mean, well, I mean the attacking the fans would be independent of the content itself, right? Yeah, because there's there's plenty of people who are going to be completely ass Like for example, if if peter jackson was consistently an asshole to fans He just always was it's like lowering is still good Like it's just going to be independent unless you're saying that bleeds into the writing Which can happen. It sometimes does like the she thought I think there's a couple of instances Well, the I feel like the obvious example This isn't necessarily one-to-one, but just red skulls saying Jordan Peterson things Really fucking weird sort of bleeded. They just like oof Okay Um, so yeah But um, I still think there are ways to do that with talent, you know, so like I guess I would just go as far as saying that um We can still boil it down to good old-fashioned incompetence Um, but there are flavors. I appreciate that Does milton get to join the other e-fab legends such as the dawn and jacob kane I think milton would have a seat at the table. He's a good guy You know they get on timely death. Yeah Uh, just watched it first and best movie I've seen since joker The first movie you've seen since joker, holy shit Maybe they're talking specifically about cover movies um Would that make sense? Yeah, and that makes more sense. Yeah, um It's But they said first movie they've seen since joker. It's just like holy shit Man, that's not a lot of content you're watching there. I was about to say of course. It's the best movie. Yeah It's the only movie you've seen Since that that checks out Person's like j Yeah Lego also has a preclusion of violence, which is why you don't have rick and morty legos or halo legos. No explicit warfare is allowed Um, you have halo mega blocks have halo mega blocks. That's right. They have also they got like avengers Yeah, they've got they've got lego superheroes lego star wars They're actually they've made lego friends sets and a lego seinfeld set recently Well and star wars. Um, he followed up with saying Um, does that make batman lego movie sense it does he not beat people up in that at all? He bites people. Yeah, he does So there's a lot of finding in that movie. Yeah, it must be Proclusion of specific kinds of violence i'm guessing but as long as it doesn't impede your story as it was But for example if he goes to punch someone And then he just like pushes them over because he's not allowed And it's just fucking jarring as hell. It's like, yeah, it's gonna cause problems But it's like no you can't detonate any nukes in your batman story. It's like that's fine I can deal with that. All right. Yeah Um, I figured bloodspot was just using drinkers multi-barreled concept gun. I remember that that was Seven cylinder revolver was that 2019 that joke was That was joker. Oh, Jesus. Get away lego also had pirate to the caribbean and lord the ring sats Yeah, and Fucking hell talk about violence like orcs like orca minifigures and urkai minifigures and shit like hmm Funny that the lego thing is about military vehicles and war relating to the sats. I think So avengers infinity war lego sats are they cool Star wars because they exist Uninfinity terror 80 80s Maybe I don't know Well, I mean science fiction, right? Yeah. No, I'm with you. I don't get how these rules work. Yeah These rules never seem to maybe it's because halo was like m rated for a long time So it'd be weird to have an m rated uh lego set even though a lot of adults, you know, you played with lego's Uh Didn't like polka dot man's death. He got what he wanted becoming a superhero and dying But making it a joke was distasteful or kind of distasteful it would have liked to sacrifice better than the death by lack of attention A death by lack of attention. I mean You can you can see why he was just like as distracted He's doing the thing that he's always wanted to become And he's looking to his leader for like some form of adoration and then he's killed Like I don't I don't really see that as like that insulting I don't even know if I'd call it a joke really. It's like I didn't know it was supposed to be a joke I I was heartbroken and I think a lot of people were too I think I don't know if this person's saying making it a joke ha ha making it a joke in terms of like What a fucking joke he just died because he wasn't looking I don't know if they're saying it that way or not I don't know how insanely competent he needs to be as a character also I mean, I don't know he's super unstable As a as a like his mental state. I don't know it it all lined up for me and I felt it. I was very sad when he died And I can I fucking see it coming because he wasn't looking at staro That's like specifically why it was like, oh fuck it could get it could get him and get it God, I was like Yeah, I don't know this is the problem when it comes to a lot of breakdowns Where it's just like someone's like, oh, that was just insulting and bullshit Also, what else is like I found that really meaningful and quite tragic. It's just like I mean, it's it's tough to go further than that either way Show's tentacle blade. It's your mom. Hi southpaw Hello I mean Yeah, that was uh, that was a legitimately funny your mom joke that james gun pulled off I loved it That is your mom Harley dying in a sacrificial way to defeat staro would have been a pretty good way to write it out while also making her last act a good one That's I don't know what I want for Harley. I whatever gets here. Whatever fucking kills her. I would I would have wanted the Were they called the silaxes cry laxes the terror of pieces? Yeah, like she's helping king shark and then they turn on her Um Maybe staro like falls face down so that she's stuck in the eye. Oh god in blood I want to be eaten alive poisoned by the blood because it's actually Acidic, I wouldn't call that plot armor, but it's like, yeah She would have been really unlucky if staro fell the other way. Yeah Oh That was like the whole conversation or you and you just accepted that was happening Like you react to it really late. I'm only just confused. I just I only just processed what it what what it means I only just got the memory and that my reaction to it Um, and it would have helped with the whole known as safe thing I mean, yeah, she was the main one everybody agreed that they do she wasn't gonna die which is really unfortunate And in some ways, I really do think it would have helped the film to have it be one of the instant kills at the beginning Um, because we'd be like, holy fuck not even holly quinn survives Uh, this is late, but chat could be an acronym for completely hopeless and terrible Oh, they're not completely hopeless and terrible though It's just not completely. It's just some flimps and flams in there. Yeah Just got here is efab chat bitched about southpaw yet. Um, you know bits and pieces Probably we've all gone now. I think probably different takes, you know, people have been bitching about freaky, too in evan Let's say rags, of course We've all had chunks taken people very upset that we we would rate this so highly when they would rate it a five That was like, yeah Okay Javelins were used by the ancient greeks to destroy tanks, you know That's true. It's on their foses. You can yeah, read it often. Yeah um Someone said in the raise not a mary sue video that raise only hated because she is one of the only main female characters Who's not dependent on a main male character to be relevant. Yeah Excellent analysis just top tier You nailed it. There's nothing more to it Um, I have five rats and that's a lot to handle five million is something else Yeah, yeah gonna be Maybe a nightmare to get them all fed. Well, there's you know, there's plenty of corpses around I guess How we have a go? Um, the 8080 is a combined arms weapon. It needs air support. The problems are general veers and general Recon not the weapons vehicles or troops Oh, we're gonna have to talk a little bit about hoth I mean, I don't want to talk about hoth I guess their argument is that they're supposed to be combined with other units to make them as effective as possible But it's just like but you can make them more effective as individual units if you wanted to Yeah, and they're just not Well, it's just they're I think the the biggest issue of course is just the rebel sea these vehicles that are so they have such Obviously Easily exploitable weaknesses and they're like now we're gonna Take them on from the one angle that they can fire us upon That's the thing, man The first thought is like maybe put a cannon on the back end and have one guy in there Just there is a design. There is an 8080 design that has a rear gunner And I don't know why they didn't go with it. They the juggernauts from the prequels were actually Like they came up with those four empire strikes back They were going to be an alternative to the 8080s. They went with the 8080s instead because Looks cooler, I guess Um, I once had to beat a rat to death with a mag light don't underestimate their power Well, um, it's funny when they get into the eye. It's like rats are fantastic at swimming and holding their breath Um, and obviously gnawing and chewing like it's it's kind of insane what rats can do. Yeah rats a little bit OP in a way Um, so is this movie any good? Well That was sent in around the time really good. Yeah That's the thing the weird to describe this one is complicated because good is usually five plus and then five Or lower is bad. It's just like it sits at fives. It's like it is a movie. It is okay Uh, star should have been controlled by a supervillain. The suicide squad has to find superman and free him from crypto prisons Superman freeze star Hold on hold on Guy in chat saying rat catcher being the most OP character was kind of dumb. She's not OP She's not OP The gloss cannon. Yeah, just quintessential gloss cannon. She can get punched to death There's a reason why she was like running away from peacemaker absolutely terrified practically shitting her pants Yeah, she tried to get her rats in but even if she'd gotten the time to be able to activate that thing He probably would have killed her Like if he hadn't knocked it out of your hand, she kept it going. It's like by the time the rats get there. She's dead Uh star. Oh, yeah, so about the whole star should have been controlled by a supervillain and the suicide squad has to find Superman and free him. I that just sounds like a completely different story That sounds like a knockoff of what they did with taskmaster and black widow and that was shit Well, you know, it could be executed well, maybe, you know Um, y'all need to read all tomorrows. I'll keep posting this until you do so Read all tomorrows is all tomorrow the comic or something Read all tomorrows. Yeah, I got no clue. I'm assuming it's a comic all tomorrows. Do you not know? Uh tips for video essays Oh, man Volume balancing Yeah, learn from your mistakes references Learn to speak well have friends watch them before you release them and get some friends who are willing to criticize you, I guess Purchase a decent microphone get good acoustics for your um audio really You know Cover the stuff you really fucking care about. Don't just cover it because it's topical It'll show. Yeah But the the person that said rat catcher was op said, oh my bad. I meant in the context of sorrow Still not op It took remember consider how many rats it took Yeah, like water that hardly has a jump into the eye of staro with a What I presume to be a magic javelin And and like if I want to take those rats a long time to eat Staro if it hadn't been for the eye hole That's the thing I can picture staro might try to just fucking roll its way to the ocean And go under to get rid of the rats, you know, that could have happened Um and secondly like if superman was to fight rat catcher too, she ain't fucking winning She's the man Superman were to fight staro. He has his heat vision. He has a super strength He has his flight. He could he could carry staro back up to the stars That's yeah, this is the thing about staro. I I guess people wanted it to be stronger But it's like it is from what we gather a flashy creature And if you have the right weaponry you can kill it relatively easily Like like I said, I think we said earlier is like could a nuke kill it. It's like probably I don't I don't see why it wouldn't um And so just because he was knocked out by her and her rats doing something very complicated and specific It's like I don't really see how that that's that bad Um, let's switch. I said obviously peacemaker high rags. I think this is about favorite characters. Hello Yeah, it's a great choice And I hope his series is top notch especially compared to the fucking marvel shows Please if it's being written by james gun, then please it wouldn't fall for a formula, right? It's gonna be an actual story. That'd be nice Um, I like that the poster for it is like fuck. It's peacemaker. Yeah What if king shock just non-stop drop the n-word? That'd be a different movie, you know it'd be a different movie I don't know what people would think about it. Then he would be my favorite character. There you go. It would be bold He'll do anything for liberty If you don't like eating human, I'm you're boring and I don't want to be friends with you damn the Norway likes eating human Yeah, he does. Some are delicious. I wonder which humans taste best. Hmm. You know What if the fat ones taste better or worse? Like depends on how fat. Yeah He wants that juicy shack meat. Hmm um Which is better on character the suicide squad or the guardians movies? Oh Uh That's actually a little bit difficult to answer instantly Because uh, yeah, I need to rewatch them. So guardians two is better with characters than guardians one was as I recall Why do you conclude like gardens? um Just paying off a lot of stuff that was set up in the first movie basically, uh, I'd say probably the Strongest character from guardians one is probably I mean, I guess it would have to be star lord Maybe followed by Groot This is it's tough. We'd probably have to rewatch and break them down fully But it's gonna come close because like we're dealing with some strong character content in uh, the suicide squad seriously TSS has Harley so guardians She's not Harley completely Undoes all the great characters in TSS though. The problem is like I don't like her but I would I don't think she the film is docked points for character for her. I don't think that's how I don't think that's fair She's she behaves as Harley probably would from how she's been written like I don't I don't like the dialogue She has and I just don't find her interesting because of a lack of development They could have given her that doesn't make her like broken or anything Like let's say that you've got like okay five great characters in guardians And then you have ten great characters in the suicide squad and then you have one bad character in the suicide squad as well like I mean The reality is that the suicide squad had double the great characters Well, the problem there is that I don't know which film does have This is the thing we'd have to break them both. I'm I'm I'm being hypothetical here But like if we're to assume that guardians has no bad characters No characters as bad as Harley right and Harley's just the only really bad character between the two movies I don't I don't know that I don't think I would call her a bad character. I don't like her Bad characters to me are people like Zod where I'm just like he's completely broken. He makes no fucking sense at all Yeah Um, I don't know that that would be something I apply to Harley Quinn She to be honest with you is really hard to apply that to Harley Quinn because she's so fucking crazy That like she can do lots of things And you could be like well, it doesn't necessarily break anything we know um I learned a while back you guys don't cover anime But I still want to express that jojo is really poorly written deos multiple returns are as bad as palpatines Look All I've heard is that jojo is beloved and whenever someone criticizes it they point to the title And then they make you stop saying stuff It's a bizarre adventure. Okay Bizarre doesn't mean bad it means bizarre But um, yeah, I I'm not intending to watch anytime soon. You know, it's like I hope it's wonderful and I hope you guys who love it in chat Love it as much as you love it angry super chat three damn Just sending all those angers in Oh, this one says nom nom's that's names Would Finn's arc in TLJ be better if he criticized rose and dj through his trauma as a stormtrooper calling out several of their points with experience I mean it would make him Much more interesting to fucking watch It sounds categorically better than what we got He's talked at for ages when he has the kind of experience that would give him so much of uh Sort of input on so many scenarios um Yeah, Finn is often cited as just one of the biggest losses for the sequel trilogy and potential Yeah, when I was first watching the last Jedi like I was angry about luke But I was also really upset about how they wasted Finn Well, he had plenty of potential after the force awakens, but Yeah, um, how better would the movie be if kingshark ate harley? And I'd be on board They didn't truly get introduced as friends, you know, so you make the mistake Um, sad how these villains are the most relatable characters in all superhero movies dcu or mcu. In fact, most of them are better people than the heroes In in the current era we're in. Yeah, and like we mean about it, but like it's kind of true. Just I'm I'm reluctant to call these people villains Um, so there's there's complications to it like Uh, if if peace maker and uh Blood sport are killing people for their respective like I'm keeping the peace. I murder you and I'm I'm getting money to kill you You know, like there's stuff we don't know about them But in the context of everything we saw in the movies Lots of arguments could be made that these are really good people doing the best that they can and the situations They end up in and stuff Uh, the proper use of plot armor is that it is seamless and invisible often the worst tv series Star Trek discovery and movies rely can constantly on plot armor for their entire writing art No Are we when they say that do they mean it's supposed to be That like the survivability of the character is because it's what the writer wants But we can't actually tell because it's written in a way that they would survive the scenarios reasonably I'm not sure if that's what they're trying to say or not I mean The way that we use is just it's unreasonable survival like The idea of plot armor meaning like, uh You have armor from the plot the plot would have killed you but you had armor that prevented it that sort of thing Yeah, but like this definition where um Because you have a purpose to serve in the plot even if there is no like um Unreasonable survivability from the character. Uh, that's plot armor I I don't see it. Well, it's just a matter of what they meant It's just a matter of how they might be defining it because i'm familiar with this like the idea of For example, luke has plot armor in the trilogy because george is his main character He's not going to kill him or whatever and it's just like okay But and and you know the idea is it's supposed to be seamless and invisible Meaning you write it in a way that luke doesn't just survive because he's luke He survives because all of these events take place in such ways that he has the ability to survive And it's reasonable that he does I understand if that's what we're going for but obviously colloquially We use plot armor to specifically point out that someone is surviving when they shouldn't be Um, and when people bring up When people bring up, uh, hello the writer wants them to survive this stuff. It's just like thank you so much Be a contribution. I I'm in love with the fact he's uh, um But if that's all the super chat is saying it's like I understand, um And that uh, you could categorize it that way. It's just that at this point It's really useful to signify it quickly that someone is surviving when they shouldn't be plot armor Um, if I've been joining a film nor you were meant to destroy the art not enjoy it say it ain't so a fax say it ain't so Good movie though Um, yeah, I'm sorry. We uh, we did enjoy this So don't tell anybody we'll be fine Yeah, we have a reputation to maintain Um, haven't gone to watch it yet as my day hasn't gone as planned But I look forward to night based on your review genuinely happy you guys saw a superhero thing. Y'all enjoyed good night. You're massive 99 what it feels like with how the ratio works that now that we've enjoyed this we've got a whole Like two years of not enjoying it again until we get something We are we're we're dealing with a uh, rather Dire exchange rate at this point and we've got a roller coaster coming up with dr Strange two spider-man three foot well, man So Well, so let's see 2018 we got into the spider-verse. That's probably the best comic book movie that came out that year, right? Joker came out that year 2018 Joker was 2019 Okay, yeah, then probably yeah, then it'd be spider-verse I was yeah spider-verse then joker and then This last year really Yeah Well, I mean, well we got Wonder Woman 84 Yeah, so nothing last year, you know, yeah Um, it's unacceptable how incompetent Amanda Waller is in this movie that said I think more people should go watch it I'd be curious What what is the argument for hearing competence? Oh, I don't think if you think we mentioned this her being asleep and the entire crew being asleep inside of the control room Just well, I mean humans need to sleep eventually So, yeah, if the idea there is they've got it to alert them the second things come online Isn't that like hyper competence that they've not left the room and they will stay there until they get information again Well, it's just that they've seemed to have like given up and they're not trying like anything else They're like, well, we just got to wait until the comm system doesn't make sense. There you go. What are you gonna do? Is it because it's a black ops mission right to like figure out We did at least like yeah, we're asking you what those are Yeah, probably a couple days there was there was at least overnight Yeah, I was just pan is that if you're trying to be covert And yeah, I imagine sending people to like watch over them with buttons of their own And in fairness, they knew team two were alive and they're heading to their targets and they just they lost signal, right? They're probably weren't gonna leave the island Yeah, and if well if they did they'd know Yeah Sleeping in shifts or something like that. I mean, I know you obviously need sleep and you don't have that big of a crew But I just found it weird that literally everyone including wall or a sleep at the panel waiting for like an alarm I was like, I don't know if we knew all of them mostly We just know that a lot of them were and that they got alerted the second anything happens Which I don't know just that's lines up to me. It's fine If they were alerted the second anything happens that kind of implies that there was at least one person that was awake And if you're gonna if it's gonna be an alarm how to make sense we'd sleep there, you know Yeah, I um sure enough I to me it seems like it's the they committed quite hard to the point where they're sleeping at their desks. It's like damn It's really like some people do that with eFab, you know guests. They will fall asleep at the desk. It's like damn committed That's what that is Get enough enough time. I'm halfway there Uh living on a prayer This is the best dcu movie, but that's like saying you're the healthiest AIDS patient No, no, no, okay. So this movie is not what I would call an AIDS patient Um I mean, I understand this is someone who has a mild rash, but it's also very attractive I I understand that it is a very very low bar and the dcu has just been struggling to get over that bar But this one I'd say just fucking leaps over it Yeah, I think people are acting like everything is so bottom of the barrel that this is like the the best that they came Up with but it's still really bad. It's like I think this is a pretty Significant step in quality above anything that was in the previous dcu. This is comparable to I mean Some of the better mcu movies I just this is where I'm after wise at least that's what I mean like I feel like We get we get told sort of thing that it's like oh you guys might be praising it too much because you're so used to it It's being so bad. I'm just like There's a lot of good in this There's good stuff. There was legitimately good things in this and it is there's a lot of it a lot of the jokes land And I think the characters are very likable and well written I'm actually excited to edit this for once Yeah, it's a nice feeling. Oh, no, they're not the last super chats. How will rags ever know how many highs he's gotten I will never know Uh, the no kill rule is better world building Oh world building I don't know what you mean by that Who cares where it comes from it creates a challenge for storytelling and it's reasonable for the rogues gallery So you care where it comes from? Believe me you do you don't like it when writers get told they have to write things in a particular way especially Like I don't know why I have to explain this Imagine someone came along and said, you know what this punisher guy Would not know more blood for this guy. Okay, it's a bit much. Can he can he just knock people out? Can that be his thing now? He doesn't he doesn't kill people He's just very invested in making sure that they are hurt enough that they probably won't do it again Yeah, I mentioned how original bat fans felt they might have liked that because he killed criminals because he Gave fuck them. Fuck themselves. Well, they're outnumbered at this point Yeah This is such a strange argument. It's like who cares where it comes from. It can't it creates a challenge for storytelling It's like buddy. I can think of lots of things that create challenges for storytelling How about you can't have any white male leads that creates a challenge? You might have to change up how you're going to do your characters. That's a fun challenge. Why don't we do that? How about make all of your villains white males that could be a fun challenge It could limit you in some ways, but also create some reasonable sort of things for you to have to write Every uh, you know Disney plus MCU show you have must have a black woman that you know shows up the The white male What is happening in chat finding out the origin of the no-kill rule makes me respect writers even more Why wait why they had to get up with it or it's literally a restriction. Why would that make you have more respect? I certainly hope that uh, I got something in the clapping I certainly hope That you will stay consistent on this one when you find out that there was like a mandate from a studio that was That was of a political leaning that you don't like Yeah, like what if someone said like it is the equivalent It's way more interesting to make Loki less invested in causing people pain and more invested in just having people Respect him as a powerful person and that he's insecure like no That's inconsistent with his character. It's like I don't care. It creates writing challenges Yeah, what the fuck go for it Like you can like Batman having a no-killing rule, but I feel like the punisher one Just nails it because they're saying like oh, it's it's it's a cool thing. It's a reasonable thing and I like it It's just like what if I said that for punisher though, and it was just an early comic and no more punisher He turns into a Batman time when we talk about like restrictions They should be restrictions that you chose yourself not things that are like imposed on you by outside forces How's that good if you're like I want to tell this type of story and then it's like that is not allowed You can never Tell a story like that. Well, then again, I mean, I guess we're willing to Hold that principle even with like Snyder's vision being maintained for like man of steel at least right Like he at least has the freedom to make it. It's just it's gonna be shit It's just shite execution. I think we maintained that throughout Yeah, well, yeah at molar. I think the people are defending it because it led to the batman they like Yeah, I think so too. I think that's exclusively what people are doing That is just yeah, yeah All right. Yeah, it's not it really if you be hypothetical for just a moment It's really easy to envision a character like batman the dark knight Who is brooding and you know that the does the detective everything like that in gotham city It's pretty easy to imagine that him as a punisher type where he just uses guns and he fucks people up It's really easy to imagine that well He was inspired by the shadow, I believe and the shadow is basically he knows what he alerts in the hearts of men There's actually evidence that some of the earlier batman comics were actually plagiarized from the shadow word for word in some cases Thomas Baker saying I don't mind batman kill him But batman would be in bvs is nothing like how he should be outside of the no kill rule He's incredibly stupid and tricked easily, which batman is known for being very intelligent I agree. Hey me repository. Evan. Is there like a batman show that we watched recently where batman's incredibly stupid Yeah Man, I I really hope that that's that standards maintained consistently Yeah, I was about to say there's an argument you can make that doesn't involve anything outside of bvs You could be like how the fuck did he get this far? Being this stupid like how that doesn't make any sense Lots of the thing about batman v superman is you can criticize it independent of reading any comics or knowing anything about the Sourced material like that doesn't matter. Let's go a little bit deeper. The lego batman movie He's a buffoon in that but he's still a successful crime fighting vigilante That that technically doesn't make any sense, but fuck it. It's a Kids movie comedy. He's already inside of that. He's like good fighting and all that. He's also fucking stupid He is yeah SK said a question why batfleck doesn't use guns at bvs He's willing to kill us like cuz sax neither wants to show him punching the fuck out of criminals That's why he's like how cool is this shit? It's a rule of cool thing and it does look cool in the warehouse. Yeah, but he logically should be using guns Yeah, you just have sets of pistols have a rifle Fucking be one hands that um that light machine gun at one point, right? I think that you could so I think that you wait what you could do with it Is just he wants to prove that he can fuck people up without guns I guess that's the the thing. He'll he'll challenge himself like that I don't know that's that's well, this is an ongoing battle for efab It's never gonna be over this started all the way back when we had no idea what we were dealing with with spider man And it's just developed and developed and developed because we're a part of spheres that seriously believe it's The same so like when you have a character of a continuity that's disrespected or assassinated They think it's in the same category as when you take someone from a comic and change them And it's just like efab have never been on that same boat So we just always present issues for these people every once in a while. It's just like, I'm sorry But that's just never been what we how we do it Um That's the thing superman spider-man batman whoever It'll just keep coming back up because this is a very strongly held belief you cannot go against What you're adapting And it should be clear that our contention with DCEU superman has to do with the fact that he's treated as a like a Messianic figure when he's the furthest thing from it in reality Yeah, so it's he's a bit of a piece of shit. Um And it's not that like you can't have superman be a piece of shit Just have the narrative be about him being a They would never get acknowledge it and never do that If I did its contradictory is like the main problem with the writing exactly Um, could you guys check out the suicide squad is worse than you think by the synthetic man? And I just popped it into Into youtube the ratio is Harmful it's a 1k up 5k down He got pooped on and the description says the suicide squad is worse than you've been led to believe It actually baffles me that so-called film critics read shills have called this an enjoyable movie Wait what enjoyable is so fucking subjective. What the fuck are you talking about those shills calling it enjoyable like what? I can only earn my brain off so far Well, I didn't turn my brain off and I had a rollicking good time with a few exceptions. So like Uh, I'm interested because I I mean there's so much to work with in terms of criticism for this film But I mean maybe we'll check it out on 150. Maybe I don't know. Uh, be interested to see maybe what Maybe maybe Oh, he does a whole breakdown by the looks of the structure Excellent. He's got chapter headings and everything. Oh boy I'm just what we love um Barmia got done dirty by the theatrical cut but dirtier by the lego game gets killed with a banana and has his corpse used for Pachinko no respect Oh, what? I Is it funny? I mean, it's lego. I'm not gonna. I mean, it's uh granted. It's lego, but still Well, that's the thing I'd really have to see how it's executed to be honest with you because it is lego. I don't know I mean, yeah, that's kind of what they try to do with the lego games is they they make funnier versions that are like kid friendly It's That's the style I think yeah, that's what I mean It's like there is we talk about disrespect But like I just need to see the context to know if it's more so just having some fun with it rather than I have I have the oddest feeling that jr. Tolkien if he saw the lego lord of the ringers game He wouldn't mind it at all. Probably smirk if he knew the full context where he's like Though he might be pissed that it's been commodified to that degree. Maybe I don't know. I don't know how he felt about all of it I assume he's more so fine Because he might feel like lord of the rings is a story that shouldn't be moved from where it is a lot of writers can feel that way Like bill watershine is with capitol and hams Thomas Baker and chat saying please check out batman under the red hood It's a really good movie and batman does smart things in there. Yeah, I watched that Just a little while ago. I think it's like a seven By my I've seen under the red hood, but it's been a long time since I did There's there's some very There's some hilarious tisms towards the end But it's uh, it was really compelling and I thought that was overall good. So thumbs up to under the red hood Please watch Cobra Kai and has respect for source material and great characters However, plot tisms are pretty frequent seven out of ten at best for at waste Is that show still beloved or is it going bad? I can't remember. So season one was Season one was uh, very well liked season two was not very well liked season three was considered a return to form with some issues involving character development being a little bit rushed for a couple of characters and I mean season four is coming in December. Um, I like Cobra Kai and it's really cheesy it emulates the The campy cheesiness of the karate kid movies and I think that it does a great job of honoring the characters of uh, Daniel and Johnny and Mr. Miyagi so I like it. I like it quite a bit Uh, honey badgers specifically target the genitals of the victims If that's again, it was a polar bear was the other option. Yeah, have you seen a polar bear? They will tear you to pieces genitals included I don't even know how you'd go about fighting the polar bear. It's like the badger It's like if it's going for the genitals that sucks, but good god. I think I'd have a better chance Look, you can't live in either Canada or Australia because they both don't exist in the first place Stop believing in the lies you sheeple high rags Hello In regards to the bear thing There's a little saying if it's brown lay down if it's black fight back if it's white good night So that should tell you all you need to know about the polar bear fight good night Uh, dawn of the final week 157 hours remain bell toll Oh, is that oh, I get it right because they I'm assuming they guessed that this stream would be seven And no way 157 hours. I'm still not sure exactly what that's referring to. I guess just when we start up the anniversary stream That's probably it But yes, it's coming. It's on its way Be very afraid Anything could happen Um, hey Evan, you know what the the most reliable way of avoiding a polar bear encounter Uh, probably something from beat Just just live in the south pole Oh, yeah That was a good riddle reference to a different batman show. Yeah, we actually That's stumped. Listen. This came through Um on the regular formatted text, so I'm assuming that youtube thinks this is totally fine So I just I guess I read it uh ching chong bing bong and the legend of the tang rings so YouTube wanted me to why would youtube not allow that it seems What there's just some funny noises and then something about jewelry Um, well, that's the I I usually say it for every single super chat But I um, I just felt like I should lower it to one per stream this time And that was the one I chose it for that's the one you know Complete coincidence if if you felt there was any particular reasoning Watching australian psa is meme fringy. What is wrong with your country or psas are so messed up? I cried so many times I uh, wait, I I don't I have no idea what psas that is which australian pssa All I know is those some of those ads you show me the australian, right the the scariest fuck ones where people just Get there are some pretty well. Oh, dude Oh, you just remind when I was a kid and You probably remember this one meme. Um, do you remember the ad that they played? Where it was like about wearing seat belts And the gist of the ad was that there was somebody in the back seat who wasn't wearing a seat belt And then the woman break and because he wasn't wearing a seat belt. He flew into the seat so hard that it um that it killed her um And it was like there was blood and everything and this was like an ad that played in prime like in prime time It was a prime time ad Um that people were there. Yeah, that's fucking hell I know that there was that new zealand one that uh played here, which I didn't know was from new zealand But um, it was it was a really effective ad about speeding Where basically a dude pulls out the uh onto a street He shouldn't have pulled out but the guy who he is about to be hit by was going too fast And if he wasn't going that fast might have slowed down the two guys have like a chat while everything's frozen It's really effective. It's probably one of the best like, you know car safety ads ever made Have you seen the the irish one with uh with the toy car and the sweet child of mine cover? No, I haven't seen no That's I remember the dsa that turned me off smoking. Um when I was really young that like yeah Basically stuck a camera down the guy's throat and showed Like what happens to the lungs and everything A lot of smoking ones Those smoking ones were very effective Um, yeah, they're really scary imagery to have on like prime time tv, but hey guess the job done Um, yay a big alien crab speaking vietnamese wrote this all right The efab facebook group doesn't like fringy Oh Why? Probably don't get an answer Um, hi molini ragarino and fringatello. Hello. Hello And all would recommend the dead don't die for efab movies could be the lowest one yet My gf thought it was terrible and she liked army the dead. Oh my god Oh, um, how do you know what that really means? Because if you like army the dead like you're just a weird bizarre person I don't see how yeah, maybe they can't have good things at that point right? Like yeah, I just I don't know Is it an ironic enjoyment? Like I need more We love fringy knower of that malaki I was screaming for king shock Yeah Um, how do you think no way home and multivase of madness will turn out also hyrax Hello, not good. Plot and willed in the toilet characters will hopefully survive Can't guarantee Problem is when you've got the options they have they're gonna make some stupid decisions more than likely In order to make certain things happen Yeah, she's okay. She's just having grief. Can she lost a robot? uh husband Or vibrates with a lot of people and yeah her dildo Um, yeah, nothing but concern I think it's it's a little we're getting close to the level. It's just like there's probably no hope for it to be great There's probably no hope for it to be good They were in trouble Um, if you do the throwback for why the last Jedi is great, could you just Oppose with it? Wait, could you do just oppose with the first or curos? Why ryan johnson doesn't understand fin? Do oppose I I am very lost on what exactly I am lost as well. I uh I'm sorry, though. My brain is on very low power right now. Yeah, I'm running on fumes too. I'm gonna hang in there We're at a weird position as well Because whenever I'm scanning for the next one, I read some of the newer ones and I've read like 15 newer ones. So we're getting to a weird point where I'm gonna start having to cross moly a gay. Yeah Um, yeah, one of the older ones. Yeah Um, I think you fellas did a great job covering this movie. Thanks and have a good one. Oh, that's nice You're welcome. Oh, yeah Thanks. Yeah, um, are your thoughts on porn? What are your thoughts on porn in 60 fps? Something about it looks weird to my eyes I don't have I mean, I don't know To be honest with you, I don't know that my opinions would be any different on porn that it would be for movies I guess I was about to say action scenes versus Action scenes I Yeah, I feel like whatever my opinions are with movies probably reflects with porn as well. I don't know if it makes a difference I could be wrong on that. Yeah, I don't know if I've seen porn at 60 I just don't know Um, I'll I'll get back to you on that one um So E5 150 is next any hints or surprises of what's to come my great tizmy dudes and fringy jk fringy a kami kiwi is okay every now and again The commasaw kiwi you remember the meme. Yeah um Hints and surprises for E5 150. Well, I mean, honestly the the plan is to have a long stream covering videos with lots Little guests coming on Say hello um I I feel like, you know, it's uh, like the The I I said before because a lot of people are like, oh, it's uh, you know, you're gonna have blah blah blah blah again I'm like, look guys episode 100 was an incredibly special time Where lots of things happened 150 is gonna be a lot more like 50 where it's like, yeah We spend a lot of a lot of time talking about videos and having much people on I um, and I'm just I'm just so Flattened on hype for anything these days I'm almost like shouldn't hype anything at all for anybody in any way So that you can just enjoy what happens instead of expecting x and getting y or something, you know We don't submit expectations here However You know, there's some stuff that's gonna happen that I think you guys are gonna like not necessarily Related or not related to 150. Um And and we're very excited. It's just a week away. Um Fun fun times I reckon Um On fin Example would be fin calling out rows about sides going out the republic for their lack of response to the first orders actions and dj Not understanding the first orders cruelty bringing in world and politics, um The to be like I would take that over what we had. Yeah, I think that this is the thing about the sequels And um how we sort of see everything to do with the characters in them. There's just so much stuff you can do They didn't do fuck all it's kind of the problem Okay, imagine like james gun directed tlj or something kind of fucking will be being I'm not saying like he automatically makes a great movie. I just mean like there would be so much like the character We could be so much better I I have a Brief little vision of that world where james gun directed tlj looks like this Oh Ah, I guess that looks about right. So um, that's my blowjob up there That simpsons meme where it's just everyone's living in harmony and dancing under the happy sun. It's like, yeah, is he walking a robot dog? Yeah, why not right robot dog? We're like even even dogs have had their jobs automated in the future Um, I work at a movie theater and I clean movies after I've seen empty so many empty seats at squad movies Zero tickets sold in two days out. Yeah. Well from what I hear that there's a couple movies having this problem um Black widow had this problem and so did jungle crews. Not that this means anything specifically, but Man, I don't know what's gonna happen to the movie industry heading forward if this keeps happening It's gonna be fucking strange It's it's when we start having the full exclusive theatrical stuff like the big things and seeing how many people show up That's when yeah, and these movies are expensive and not easily remake their money And like You gotta go because I don't want to like over exaggerate, but just like this could have cataclysmic changes to everything, right? if this keeps up Well, yeah, because you can't afford to make movies that cost like 200 million dollars and then they only make 350 million dollars That's not affordable um Maybe we'll get more stuff like extraction, which is like it's not like so lower budget. Yeah And it's like they have to be well crafted more creative and But I mean the thought that because a lot of the rings couldn't have existed if it if it was making like Way less money than it did You lose potentially like the big scale of cinema Um, of course only in specific circumstances. There'll be other movies that are fine Surely it would rebound eventually as you know, well Will it or or are people just like no, I want to watch my home like I got used to this Um, that's that's the question Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there's an angle just how long will all of this last if it actually does reset and it's just like Yeah, I guess that's because I it doesn't seem like things are going back to normal for a while Yeah, because I was partially under the impression that we were going back to normal But I don't think so and fucked it all up Yeah, and there's already ones that apparently on their way after delta like this And they did oh man. It seems to me. It's like um It's like power leveling really shitty writing. It's like this one is that one But now it does it twice as fast or it has it also makes you grow another head and you're just like Jesus. Okay It's like Level up level up all the time and um Uh, yeah, because it's weird to like think about it. Just like oh, there's what will it do to the movie industry It was just like, I don't really that's the thing Like it feels like it's going to change how everything works because if you have everything in marvel and disney and everything They only managed to pull in half of what their initial budgets are Um Well, of course, you know, even if they make money the companies aren't going to be happy with like having lost Again, it's opportunity cost if you used to make a billion dollars and you're making 500 million It's like that's a significant cut to your profits Tom maybe they'll have to actually hire like filmmakers to be able to provide what feel like Bigger budget things for less money because they're talented. I guess it would just be the uh, the Streaming thing like and there would just be more of a Just television like streaming Marvel shows rather than movies, maybe Yeah, I mean could be Um I'm fascinated by that whole thing. I just don't know what's gonna happen. Um I was pretty certain at one point The black widow would just be the sign that things are going back to normal, but it like fucking dropped off a cliff, right? Yeah, because the opening wasn't too bad and I think we get our answers with, um Shang-Chi, right? That's going to be the one that Shang-Chi is 45 days exclusive theatrical. So That will be something to indicate like what we should expect And I guess next year too and we might even start seeing films get delayed again from what I understand like just Studio isn't nervous about the next few months. Yeah, because they haven't committed to a release date for no way home, right? Well, no way home doesn't have a trailer yet. And it's like it's august It feels like It feels like they have to delay now. Oh, wait a minute. I probably well Mate, I mean, uh, I'm pretty sure venom got delighted by a couple of weeks Um, yeah, because that trailer came out and it said fall. It's like wait, I thought we had a date Something's changed Yeah, it's currently scheduled to come out on uh, october 15th the day before my birthday So nice little birthday gift venom to Woohoo. Yay Aren't you excited? Well, the thing is I think some of them might just do really well randomly Like like in ways that we're just like, huh like venom two makes a million a billion rather than we're just like Oh, I think venom might do really well. It seems like people like really excited for venom Whatever reason Hey, Evan, do you want to suffer? With venom or what? I don't know with this suffer Suffer knowing that we you know, if it weren't for the delays we would have been less than two months away from the batman by now Oh, yeah Well, maybe that's sparing you. Who knows what if the movie's terrible? Yeah, there's always that That trailer's so good though Um the trailers can look like anything. That's true. They really can Hi toxic brood big fan of pita capaldi. Have you seen in the loop? He's so funny in that she is I have not No, I haven't I have not like pita capaldi and everything he's in. I've never seen him in so Um, I'm sure he's very great Bane is hilarious in the animated holly show And does anybody anybody have any references for that? I don't know Uh, so he has the comic book design, but he sounds like dark knight rises bane So and he's also an idiot But like they go like the idiot like bad writing idiot Yeah, like they make him like batman and robin bane, right like just oak grunt and stupid basically The lego batman movie gave bane the tom hardy voice To he only had like a couple lines, but it's like, oh, yeah The fire rises It doing the weird voice I like it right Uh, I feel like I'd give someone ghost of su shima to get them into gaming. That's like a perfect balance in my opinion I'm giving them a game I feel like that's way too advanced. Yeah. Yeah way too much. They'll be in over their heads. They because remember like when people don't have Things like that that you and I take for granted Like the idea that one of the thumbsticks or your like your left hand controls your movement and your right hand controls where you're looking That is a foreign concept to people who have not played video games that they might have to like legitimately practice to work to understand I think we're just used to it Night fire on game cube. That's one of the first games I got if not the one I got with the game cube Um, I was loving it doing all kinds of things And then I remember because it's fucking ages ago, but I still remember because it was just it was really like I get I guess that because I look back on some of these memories I'm like, oh, did I remember that because it taught me something maybe it's how I was so strong But my dad had the controller. I was like, yeah, go shoot people And then it would be walks forward And he looks down at the controller for a while and I'm like, yeah, that one aims that one moves And he's like looks up looks down looks up Moves the stick is confused looks down. I was like, oh shit This is gonna take a while apparently Uh, just because you're so used to it that he controllers But it wouldn't necessarily it could be something that they snap into after like, you know, half an hour or so of just getting used to it Um, yeah, it's just a new thing. I just yeah goes to sushi and we're just like chill Well, yeah, we're starting with like tetris And and then like as a platformer. That's like a 2d one where it's just moving left and right Yeah On the topic of books. I've been reading the expanse. I think they're fantastic. I highly recommend I've heard good things about the expanse books Um, I don't know if any of you guys know anything about those books No, they exist Um Yeah, I think um a lot of people have gone off the show now as well in the later seasons It's gone. It's gone poopy for those who enjoyed the early ones. I didn't even like the early ones that much I'm too snooty Hashtag pimp rage shout out from the dark council Pimp rage raid Oh Shouts from the dark I'm not sure I I feel bad if I'm supposed to recognize that I just I really don't I'm not sure what a shout out from the dark council Is all pimp raid, but uh, thanks for the raid. Presumably that is a raid. Yeah. Thank you um First platformer portal or original mario? I feel like in terms of what you should give to a new gamer probably original mario I feel like mario will work better because yeah, because they have to master all the fps stuff first with the portal Yeah, like I you probably can't remember your first time But like remember that was a I kind of do my first first person shooter that I played like that was halo And that was a bizarre weird thing where you moved with one and looked with the other It was just you'd never done that before and you had to just learn it Um, don't take it for granted When you think about people who've never done it I think the game I got used to it in that regard was quake for me on a news on pc fucking Playing so much of quake. So it was like my training grounds without realizing it necessarily for fps Yeah, yeah, quake's good. Y'all should play quake. I'll learn quake Um Is this the best john sena movie it could be um, I've not seen a lot of john sena movies. So Are you sure about that? Yes Though Yeah, I was I got it Uh, sometimes you just can't see him. So he could be in a movie without me realizing it The only one I've run is very good with invisible characters The only other john sena movie that I recall seeing was bumblebee and I don't think that one's better than the suicide squad Oh, is he a bumblebee? Yeah He had the best line. He had a great line that in evan knows which line i'm talking about. Oh, yeah That is so good. By the way, I'm still skipping forward with every press of the key is five seconds And I'm half an hour behind where we are right now I went from the fucking beginning. This has been the most bizarre way of doing super chats ever, but uh, it's worked out Um, evan i'm making a video similar to your video on what aboutism, but several logical fallacies any advice Oh, um Use examples, that's probably what I regret most about making that video. I wished I'd taken more examples from other videos and other movies like Try try pulling examples to pick a part like that's that's what I find the most useful um At least in terms of your argumentation is like structured around what other people have said It doesn't seem like you're basically making up fallacies or making up examples. So that's probably the best piece of advice Um, and they follow up with saying also, when are you making videos? uh Probably next planning, uh, that el camino video that's that's I need to get to the script on that one But that's probably what's coming next not sure what's coming after but I've got a couple ideas Yeah, um Whenever you guys cover anime it will be the first episode of the last season of efap. Oh god Um, I'm done. I feel like if we start really covering anime, we're just winding the show down Sorry yeah season finale Running out of material really Scratching the bottom of the barrel Um, also the only good restrictions are the self-imposed ones. I'm pretty much on that here. We're writing. Yeah Um, and it doesn't mean that if you have a restriction, you cannot make awesome stuff Yeah, it's just my fucking god Like we're not a fan of whenever you tell a writer they cannot do something for arbitrary reasons or whatever reasons you may have It's just that it can Taint it can stain the story. They're trying to tell Uh, snider superman has more in common with omniman and homelander than he does traditional superman I can believe that Yeah, if I can if you watch, um Any superman content that's like dare I say classic or whatever and then you watch snider superman This is the stuff. I just don't get man like with a lot of people who are very obsessed With the faithfulness and stuff. It's like, how do you watch that superman? And be like, yeah, I like sniders vision actually you're like, oh Because you know, I mean, it's not just that it's inconsistent and fails the standards that we try to apply but like Surely mr Krypton had its chance is not the fucking superman you were looking for I hope not. I fucking hope not. Yeah Um for a first game, I feel like minecraft wouldn't be a bad idea What do you guys reckon? Um It wouldn't. Um, I feel like because of its pacing Especially it's low risk Um, it it's it it's arguably lack of a fail state, especially if you set it to peaceful and just give it to someone And just explain to them. So this is your mouse You use it and you look around and they do that and they said, all right now The here's your movement keys, you know, this is forward and it's all relative to you And you could just give them that some time to fiddle around with it They can jump up and down they can look around Nice simple graphics easy to look at and process Looks very approachable in terms of just the aesthetic Um, they could break a block this thing They could break a block and they could see how it's changed And they could stack them on top of each other and it's like, oh, I can do things like I just the bare bones basic Fundamentals of I can do things in games I could take a block here and I could put it over here And then it just gets bigger and bigger from there. But yeah, I think minecraft would be actually a really good one Really good first game for people And you know what there's a there's a there's a the benefit with that one as well Is that there's so much for like the ceiling in terms of exploring all of minecraft will take them a long time So if they're comfy with the game, they don't have to go to another game to do more things It's like no minecraft you've now now you can go here and do this and do this and do this and uh They'll probably feel safer Developing all this stuff in that game All their enemies. Oh, no, we there's no enemies do it We can turn them on if you want but there's no enemies here is like, oh, can I dies like no No, you just just walk around and just fiddle around with stuff and you know Then you know, once you once you're used to like looking and moving and with two independent sets of controls Um, then we can get into you know, good. Yeah, it's very like the difficulty for it is. Oh, you've done this now We can do this. Oh, you've done this now. We could do this and you just sort of progress And and and and not so bad way Uh first fps was the Jedi outcast demo level Um, I'm guessing for that person and and I heard Yeah, I don't know what the demo level was but I did play that and I liked it quite a bit I hear good things. I've not played it Uh dark council is myself drunk three pio abu nas or abu nas fatal j lord Callus and the gospel according to mark every Tuesday at 8 30 p.m. Yes t There you go. Um I I'm I'm aware of drunk three pio. I I'm not sure I'm aware of fatal j's as a name I've heard as well I'm sorry. I I'm not fully familiar with everybody in the spheres But uh good stuff and of course, thank you for the raid. Um That's it. We've caught up. I've scanned through the whole stream There's a chance. I've missed one or two because of the way this worked and I'm sorry about that if I did um And we we just about hit 10 hours, which feels perfect to me Before we shut everything down. However Evan do you want to do you want to chat a bit about what you're up to what you're doing and where people can find you People can find me on youtube. My name is Evan Monroe. Um I I finally released that uh last of us part two video that I've been talking about for a while got it through copyright and everything So That's up. It's pretty short, but I was I'm proud of how it turned out um like I said a minute ago the El Camino of Breaking Bad movies what I want to cover next that one will probably be a little more comprehensive So I'm going to be working on the script for that pretty soon. So that's what you should expect coming next I'm not sure one though. So in the meantime enjoy my latest video sweet link in Shioness Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer one super chat and then move to the next person Are you sure you guys didn't skip any super chats? No, I'm not sure That's the best I can do Um, we try meme. What are you up to? Where you go? What's happening? You're all purple. What's going on? Uh, well you see, um, I've got um You know, there are things in in the works Things that may or may not manifest on this channel at some point in the near future Who knows what the future holds there? but Obviously, I've had some EFAP commitments. I'm pretty heavy over the over the last Few months or so which has been very very good. Um, and over the next few months I'm hoping that I will be finding a balance with the EFAP content and with the content on my own channel I'm hoping once I've got snooter runes out and Once I've moved on to whatever comes after that that I'm also going to be able to Work on my Mandalorian video. I want to get that out before season three or at least or before bookabob or whatever comes First so that I'm not suddenly feeling out of date without one So that's so that's next on the bucket list for me I've got I've also got a quite a few scripts written And I'm also investing in some primary sources for comic book history stuff In case I want to make any videos relating to certain things and I want to actually back up my assertions with facts So things are in the works. Uh, yeah, you can check out the channel and uh, not much new content there yet But it's on the way and I also stream Um on occasion as well. So you can also catch that whenever I feel like and I have time to do that So, yeah, that's what I'm up up to at the moment Yes Chonky things on the way one could say Yeah And so now back to a super chat. I'll never understand the hate for you guys high rags Hello We regularly murder art. I think it makes sense. Laura people hate us people just telling you And they just can't handle some of the Things to say you missed my super chat. Sad face. I feel bad now because I don't know. I'm just like, oh man If if that's truly a true I was gonna say like pull your thing in the chat and I'll read it and it's like Wait, it's someone said they stole it. Okay, put it in chat and I'll read it first and Just do it just put in quotes. I'll grab it This this was a long hard somewhat cruel yet. Ha Ha Uh southpaw, what are you doing? What's up? What's happening? Your ropes? I am focusing on a couple different projects The one that's gotten the most attention lately, of course has been Batman the animated series went through that show most of it with evan and of course Longer short of it is wasn't impressed with most of it and so As I work on a video for it. I will actually be covering a fair number of episodes on my podcast We've only covered one thus far, but it's a big one. It's hard of ice And I didn't have evan or my other co-host buzz acts on for that one But I did have the meme repository here with me As well as shiny FX and We all came to basically the same conclusion about the episode And broke it down starting at about the three and a half hour point I'm going to go ahead and just post my The link to my live streams channel where I've got my podcast there So you can go there and check it out on south podcast number 20 And we're going to continue doing more BTS episodes I'm also bringing on a fellow called pendulum a Highly underrated content creator. That's a part of this community He made a great Almost three hour critique of a quiet place part two with evan as a like sort of like making multiple cameos Really entertaining video highly recommend checking it out if you Whether or not you've already seen a quiet place too And he's also a fan of the show and he's going to be going through it with me In fact, evan and I have to watch a couple episodes with him tonight and one of them is Seriously like probably my all-time favorite episode. So Yeah, just I've got some exciting projects going on. I'm still tackling, you know, beloved media and don't worry The last of us too is still on my radar. Um, I just Really fucking hate thinking about that game So I keep putting it off But that's the thing that we're like we were Planning on like collaborating on with each other, right sort of sharing our uh Our footage and whatnot. Oh, okay Don't like I'm not going to say anything about any plans I have anymore. It's just not a thing Yeah, that's right. Um, so who knows who knows what's happening next Um, also the the person said my super chat was something like I figured blood sports Spinning gun was based on drinkers multi-barrel concept. I did read that out and we did say Yes, we did. Yeah, and I said it's crazy that that was In 2019 or in 2021 it just it's just whoosh, you know Flying by Um So you got like the dismissive smiley. I think censorship is bad in general However, the no kill rule is good for batman So calling it out for censorship seems like a poor argument in my opinion. So you just beg the question That's a good old fashioned begging of the question. You just said it's good for batman. What does that mean? What does it mean to be good for batman? What if I told you that adapting batman to be a black woman is good for batman because it helps us explore Other aspects of the history of the character that could potentially exist there in an alternate and so I'm saying they cannot use a white guy Because that is if that leads to interesting or good stories Like I I don't see how we can't just expand your definition into doing anything we want Why is it that forcing him to not be allowed to kill people is good? Just a killer argument to me is is it okay if I do this to punisher? Can I do this to punisher? It's interesting because perfect for like perfect for batman is if that isn't its own Thing that we have to narrow down. What is perfect for bat? Is it just because you're used to it? Which is probably what it is I just because I feel like it's actually kind of weird when you see his appearance and his attitude and the kind of The setting that he's in oftentimes and the vibe that he puts off Like I said, he he really comes across as a punisher. He's super violent kind of guy Well, look at look at uh how comics fans ruled some of them Through a shit fit over tim drake being revealed to be bisexual It's like I just I don't think they like change. It's like that is a change that's coming within the comics And the my comics crowd doesn't seem happy with it But very interesting, you know, I mean look is If I did it to punisher and people like you don't that's bad for punisher I'd be like But this is what made batman bat. You're what you believe batman to be So like if I did that to punisher And then I fast forward a thousand years and people are just like yeah punisher at one point killed people I guess but that's just not who he is anymore And it was good that they changed it because I way prefer the punisher that doesn't kill people I think that could happen What are we basing this on it's weird Um, and they said yeah, so calling out That as censorship seems like a poor argument in my opinion. It's like Tell it. I mean you haven't argued me away from it yet A case of censorship yields a good result. So this is it's poor to argue against censorship as a principle Yeah, it doesn't work to me In finnish they followed up with sorry. I can't articulate my argument. I give up Okay, okay, like The no kill rule is a fruit of censorship fucking cope That seems to be the case and I just as long as we can be straightforward about it then yeah Uh finish the last of us two forget everything else Hey, join the queue of people saying that about everything else. I've talked about making I'm just gonna hide in my corner while I make stuff Um, happy birthday metal. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a very good Uh, I just want to say Cobra Kai is good. Good night. That's what I hear That's what I hear. Oh my god. I I so I I look through my little updating notification things to see if that guy had responded because I asked him about the Do you like last of us two thing this one person that I made console reply videos to years ago She says he commented on one of those videos six hours ago Oh, like he's not commenting to you. You just you just spotted that is it four years ago And yeah, it just happened to be I well this maybe this isn't him Yeah, I don't think Yeah, I don't think it's him. It's okay. Yeah, it's not him. It just happened to be the same name It was someone I guess pretending to be him But that just took wow that was almost like really crazy. It's wild. That was a blast in the past almost Very strange It's an over simplification of what happened. So we're not your enemy on this one. We're not actually like trying to say the Um in this particular like it led to bad results We're just saying that you've got to be consistent on this what they they changed batman from who he was into something else And the we advocate you should be able to do that with adaptations And that all kinds of things could happen as a result instead of simply being like no It and this applies to batman you guys don't like to hear it But if there is a batman who kills people Which is the obvious example to go to here Doesn't automatically make him bad and it's even weirder to think of saying well, okay, but you can concede. He's a bad batman. It's like What is bad, man? Then you have people saying well, that's okay because that's his original creators that are making these changes Not some random people 30 years down the line, which is like I think that's a highly arbitrary qualification for Who's allowed to make Changes to these characters. I think that there's there's people that you know 200 years from now they could come up with new ideas We're like changing a character tweaking a character slightly and making a new version that could be interesting So My thing is I like Joel from the last of us a lot the first one Um And pedro pascal is playing him in the show I just see him as a different version of the same character However, pedro pascal plays him in the show Isn't going to affect Joel Existing in the original game and how I feel about him and i'll give him a shot to Lend his own interpretation of the character That's how I feel about it. Someone said if he kills innocent people in cold blood, we have a problem It's like I give up Like it's just not gonna work We adapt him to lose every single element of what you believe to be batman and it turns out to be great content And enough people adopt it and say this is batman now Which has happened before It doesn't matter how many changes you make it's about what the story itself is what the character itself is written as Feel like we're broken records at this point Yeah High rags. Yeah, all right. Yeah Bringy, have you ever drank colton draft and if so, how was it? I don't like beer Some other beer That's like one of the just australian beers and it's just yeah Maybe I have had I don't know. I don't I don't like beer Oh, it's just beer. I don't know We're people say that because beer tastes so different. It's such a very Sure it does. I'm sure it does, but I don't know anything about beer like It's just not something I'm familiar with Uh, some of the old commercials for that are hilarious. It's the colton draft tingle We demand fat girl Geralt's unbridled praise. That's a fair request. I I understand it Like I know why I know why I'd say it I think that fat girl should be in the next suicide squad. We'll just show up. That's fat gerald the man that can punch anything fists of That girl Uh, every single time he punches someone it just washes their head into the nearest object and then they twirl to the ground Um, I don't know if we've we've mentioned it before but on the priori fact I'm sure we have but uh fringy you did come out with a video about a movie and I'm assuming people are aware of it on the old leaf house, but if not I was gonna say it was just you and me and rags left now for the sort of outros Um, right you made it about toxic masculinity. I think Like like double dozen. Oh no, a dozen people get really angry at stuff or something a double half dozen There's the superb character writing in 12 angry man That's the new video and Otherwise, I've just been I've just been working on something. He's been working on some It's been keeping me a bit from end game stuff in the comic But there's the still comic page is coming out every week end game is happening Um, but yeah, I've just been working on on on this other this other project Um, but yeah And to be honest with you, that's the bigger We're struggling to keep up with uh, well, we've covered all the super chats for this stream, but um, Yeah, that backlog is on pause for a moment There's lots of things are happening and um, yeah I'm gonna be going right back to them as soon as I've gone to sleep slash eating and then recharge both of those batteries of forms um, but the stream is now unlisted And uh, we're pretty much at the point where I'm happy to say, uh, goodbye unless there is there anything else for anybody Who wants to say before we Loomp away Cock and balls cock and balls. Yeah. Yeah Anything else watch terriers watch terriers. There you go. I deserve better. Flip not deserve better. All right Milton Milton Okay That was real fun. Thank you guys for hanging out. Thanks so much for the donations next week At the same time will be evap 150 Which is your your good old-fashioned standard affair of a 24-hour set Of us with different guests all the way through looking at all kinds of videos Hopefully we'll have lots of fun. See you guys there Um, and until then Good night Yeah Good night. Good night everyone Toodaloo. Goodbye boy. I'm so tired I am exhausted. I I'm running on like an hour and a half of sleep Yeah, I got three out of my