 attendees and before we move on any further I would like to ask everybody to give yourselves a round of applause for being such amazing attendees for what I can only see was a great community day. So thank you so so much if you haven't heard already we are very very lucky that Priyanka Sharma who is the director of the Cloud Native Compute Foundation is on the call with us right now. We have a couple of questions to ask her and she has very graciously agreed to come and talk to us all here. So can we connect? There we go and Priyanka thank you so much for joining us. Can you hear me okay? Wonderful thank you so much. So we already came up with a couple of questions that we thought of asking you. I hope that you might have a moment at the end maybe for some additional questions but before I get started with those was there anything you'd like to say before I get started? Awesome thank you so so much. So I've got a couple of questions here that we came up with a little bit earlier this week. So I wanted to ask you a little bit about the cloud native space. So what are the biggest changes you're expecting in the cloud native space in the coming year and where do you think you see the CNCF in a year or two from now? Sure so let me take out my crystal ball. I think the best part of cloud native ecosystem is that it's ever evolving right. In the past years I mean when we started in 2015 when I joined this ecosystem as a contributor Kubernetes had just been donated and we spent a while getting through the container orchestration wars and now Kubernetes has emerged as the de facto standard and I think this year we'll continue to see Kubernetes enjoying a Linux-like moment. I also think that with the proliferation of Kubernetes even the work we are doing within Kubernetes for its infrastructure the multi-cloud movement is going to gain more and more traction. I think I speak with lots of folks in the space and they often are talking about just how they want to make cloud portability a reality and I think grires strides will be made in this field in this field through various vendors and open open source contributors. So that's one thing. I think in general I would also say like for end users who we spend a ton of time with because they are the people we are all serving. It's very clear that there was the initial euphoria of like the cloud will solve all your problems and now they're very mature much more nuanced in that perspective and FinOps or you know cost management is a big focus for them. CNCF has a project called open cost that helps in that direction and I think more and more efforts will come from various places. Those are just two examples. I think cloud-based IDEs are coming back in fashion. Before Cloud Native I was doing a startup and I remember there was this whole online editor craze going on and then we had this ebb in that in that area and now we're back to the flow but in a much more mature way. I think that sustainability remains a key priority for the whole world not just just our context and that will roll in green ops in different ops. People more increasingly care about the environmental impact about the energy impact and all of that I expect to see happening in our ecosystem. You may or may not know we recently hosted the cloud native security con in Seattle and it was such an amazing event. It was so many people close to 800 plus and everybody there was like oh this feels like the original cube cons and I think that that moment in time happened because security is front and center. Open source as bombs will be everywhere. Cloud native security is going to play a critical role and more and more people will come to this community to solve their problems because this is where we get things done. So that's what I expect from a technology perspective. How do I see CNCF changing as an organization in the next two years? Well I hope we are always changing to keep to meet the needs of this community which is ever growing. So just in the last year I'll tell you as executive director I have the same title. My job has completely changed which is awesome because now we've brought in some senior leadership into the organization because we want to put more power behind our community programs supporting maintainers and contributors and you will see more and more of those efforts coming out of the CNCF. You will also see a renewed and enhanced focus on trainings and certifications because Kubernetes is having its Linux style moment right so that means more and more people need to be educated and upskilling so they'll put a lot of energy there. Those are just two examples but you know ask me in two years and I'll give you a retro. I definitely will do and I'm really glad they brought up sustainability so we had actually more than one talk just during this KCD talking about sustainability on Kubernetes. We had a couple of open source projects talking about you know how you can reduce your Kubernetes workloads when you don't need them so it's really great to see that the sustainability side of cloud native computing is really coming into the focus now. Cool thank you so much for your answer. Next question I think I'm not going to be the only person saying I'm going to be at KubeCon this year. KubeCon is of course here in Amsterdam after being cancelled in 2020. What are you most looking forward to from the event? Oh my gosh what are we not looking forward to? It'll as you said right we were supposed to be there three years ago so it's just going to be lovely to finally make that happen and be in Amsterdam again. Something I always love about KubeCon is about 50% of attendees tend to be first timers and that's projected to be the case this time as well and I'm very very happy about that because that means we've been more and more people into the cloud native ecosystem. I think that this year we've made actually a lot of changes so I don't know have you attended is this going to be a first KubeCon or how many KubeCon's in are you? That's a great question can you put your hand up if this is going to be your first KubeCon this year? My goodness I think it's about 60% of the room here. Wow well awesome we'll see you there for those of the who are the 40% right? How many of you attended co-located events or colos? I'm gonna reckon that's about 10% of the room. Okay awesome so those 10% will know what I'm talking about here which is that the colos were out of control. We had so many and that's awesome right that's because so much is happening in this ecosystem but we heard a lot of feedback around how it was it was too much it was a full week of just a lot. So we've streamlined the co-located events into a one day and made them shorter so that people have more bite-sized bite-sized information grabbing. We've also simplified like the ticketing alongside that but I'm eager to hear what people say of this new experience around co-located events. We're also changing up how we do some of the social stuff around the welcome booth and the party so all of that I'm hoping to hear feedback on because it's all brand new. So that's something and then I would say one of the things that's close to my heart which is the work in progress right now so you're the first to hear it as a group is we're looking at a startup subtract so as cloud native matures more and more companies have done great things here and that includes as big as hyper stealer and as small as a two percent startup. We want to explicitly cater to this startup crowd with a subtract where they get educated on how to plug into the cloud native ecosystem and receive by giving and so we're looking at the exact programming but check out your agenda for the startup hashtag in in the business value track so those are some of my my favorites to come. Awesome thank you so much I think we very quickly had a question here regarding your last answer can I yeah I'm I was at my name is Bart I was attending always the pre-conference sessions two days and now I understand I have to fly twice a year to attend a conference and I'd rather fly once than well this time I'm going by bicycle but that's another case so why do we are we forced to fly twice to a CNCF event instead of having them all condensed in one location once a year or twice a year? Just to make sure I understand the question are you asking about why coupons are happening in North America and Yuri? Why are the why are the pre-conference events now spread on other dates? You mean things like cloud native security con? Yes. Okay okay so cloud native security con split off because it was getting too big for for it to be held in coupon itself and that we couldn't accommodate more than let's say two 300 people max at the coupon so even if you're there it's hard to get in but in Seattle we were able to hold more than double the people and next year we hope expect to hold even more but that doesn't mean that you have to travel to attend that and coupon will not have security content that's absolutely not the case the security track actually gets more robust by splitting off this event and there's also gosh how much am I revealing but there's gonna be things like security village things like that so by no means build the content for security or any other topic that splits off into an event right such as there's one adopts con coming on that doesn't mean coupon will not have that content it just means we can't hold all the people interested so we're providing an extra avenue for it. Great question thank you so much all right I will pop on to the next one looking at the time Priyanka I'm not quite sure how much time you have for us today so I'm gonna keep asking questions for you take this is early morning for me so wonderful the time you need um so I wanted to talk a little bit about KCDs because obviously we're here at a KCD and we're seeing more and more KCDs popping up all around the world you know we spoke a little bit earlier today or yesterday about the fact that we're trying to help up KCD Ukraine pop up for example um in your opinion what is the impact of these community events and do you have any great stories from attending a KCD or something like a Kubecon that you'd like to share with us today? Sure I think KCDs are instrumental in making cloud native ubiquitous because they take us global in a way we really can't in a through any other mechanism Kubecons for example the previous person who asked the question pointed out oh how do I get there there's or like you know security con how do I get there it's like too many times of flying KCDs come to the person where they are and that's what makes them so wonderful you know recently we were speaking with the folks who organized KCD Pakistan and it went so well and their primary focus was growing their speaker those sorry student community and they showcase a lot of first-time speakers and those folks journey in CNCF encouraging the next generation right and that would be not possible or let's say much harder to accomplish without this programming in place we also had KCD Africa last year where we brought forth awareness around open source technologies and how to contribute get people more involved so they've been able to reach regions and people that would be harder otherwise you yourself mentioned the KCD Ukraine it's like yeah we gotta we gotta address that community as fast as we can so overall I think we're creating endless opportunities for people by having this program we're also working as I told you we're always evolving we're also working to supercharge KCDs in 2023 for 2024 so that we can support you all organizers with more and more things that you can provide as value add to your attendees so we want the KCD ecosystem to keep growing and actually I would like to make a call that if you all have ideas on how to up level the KCDs to bring even more value to people where they live I'm all ears because we're in the program design phase right now so those are some examples of KCDs particularly even cube cons right we have the Dancon scholarship through which needs-based or diversity folks they can apply and attend I it's so sweet every every cube con I go and there's suddenly like a gaggle of students who are so sweet and so happy and they rush up to me and they tell me hey are you Priyanka and I say yes we're the Dancon scholars and they tell me their stories it invariably happens on its own and it's the most gratifying time for me at the conference and they tell me just how important it is that they're there and how they plan to stick around and make a difference here and how for them their life is changing because school colleges etc they provide you curriculum they don't provide you the level of understanding of or access that things like this can so I'm really glad we can help that's awesome what a lovely story as well I'm gonna pause here before I ask my last question to see if there's anybody in the audience who has a question for Priyanka yeah we've got a couple here because I feel bad standing on stage and just asking questions that I've pre-recorded too much I yeah so I'm a big proponent of the CNCF so don't get my question wrong here but I've got a critical remark so the portfolio of projects has blown it's out of the sky do we also I found myself trying out some projects and I find projects that haven't changed in four or five years I'm here for a long time so and and then I look at the kids repository and it hasn't even had a change for two years are we also shaking the tree and slimming it down or can we be more proactive in that way probably to keep it alive and to keep it vibrant absolutely thank you so much for your comment and question I do agree with you myself it's it's so big as an ecosystem right 150 plus projects is not easy to parse through ultimately this this all rests in the hand of the technical oversight committee they lead us with their technology vision I am a proponent of us archiving more projects that that have kind of stalled for a long enough time with with you know with the right parameters in place uh so I'm in agreement with you I think uh the the chat I'm I don't want to speak for the TOC here so please understand that but from what I observe the challenge that they face is that they have so much inbound to process so many star projects applied to get in either at sandbox level or in innovation that perhaps the archival process could use a bit could use a bit more time and attention than it is able to get just because their top priority is serving the community and there's so much inbound that they have to handle but are you yeah I think we should be more critical is it still being used or are there changes being added and perhaps not immediately deprecate projects but just put them in in a holding position or whatever right we can always bring them alive I mean things can change but we should cart I think the portfolio and be critical that it stays special the way it was a few years ago and that it's not being a dumping ground for all kinds of half-dead projects um I have a can I ask you a question sure do you find that in the incubation level and graduation level projects as well or are you seeing it mostly in sandbox now incubation I looked at worse two weeks ago and it was the same as what it was four years ago and today I heard that the sponsoring I tried a thinker bell for instance it never worked and today I heard that even the project that the business that sponsored it that it has gone broke or whatever they're not alive anymore so I think there's those are valuable projects but if it's not being grown just two examples on the top of my head but there are a lot more no thank you thank you for sharing because I think sandbox is a place for all kinds of things happening but incubation enough I agree with you that we need more rigorous sort of eye on where some what is the activity level at I will take your feedback to the TOC and try to push them on this and get their perspective as well but I also encourage you I you probably already know about the open TOC calls and but I think I would encourage you to attend there and share in your own words as well wonderful thank you so much for your question do we have any other questions okay I have one last question for you which uh I came up with I hope it's not too boring um so uh I wanted to ask you know obviously uh now the in-person events are coming commonplace again uh do you have any highlights from virtual events from the last couple of years you know obviously uh this is a little bit biased as an organizer of an event we tried to do our best during the two years to do something virtual um do you think that hybrid events are going to be here to stay for the future I think this also ties into the question from before a little bit where you know flying is you know maybe not the most sustainable way to go and attend a conference um do you think that this is going to be the future of events or do you think we're going to go back to just purely in-person events again I think being able to go virtual in the pandemic was essential for our ecosystem uh as as you said you you organize events as well and like the two years were tough right it's like how do we support our ecosystems when we cannot see people we didn't know how and we by being able to go virtual whether it's through simple mechanisms like zoom google meet or it is through more robust platforms that came about it was a lifesaver I think all of the cloud native community was able to stay together and support itself and each other because we had that option and we did all the creative things right connect the coupon uh platform have slack with it alongside do the happy hours on zoom we all made the best of it um and the the benefit we received out of it is that our reach was bigger more people could attend like you said what we have also found though that the hankering for in-person is real people definitely gain a lot from uh literally just seeing each other face to face even if they don't you know sit down and work on a project um I've heard like I've heard product collaboration increases like almost double just by virtual being in the same space as somebody else so we cannot discount the value of being able to meet each other in person that said I think the longest lasting impact that the hybrid the virtual event time period will have for us is that the events will be more accessible online even if they're back in person so I do believe in hybrid events I will say my personal opinion going through the pandemic is that the tooling was not ready for it right the tooling that we had was not ready for it and it was so calm I mean there were challenges let's just say there were challenges so in my opinion the hybridization of events will not rely or will not continue to rely on tech plug the technologies it might simplify so that uh you somebody who is um not attending in person is still able to get the content still able to engage on you know places like the sport but uh and then the sort of more programmed aspect happens in person that's that's my perspective but that's I'm one individual when we run events in cnc app it's we're a whole team I'm a really strong events team I'm proud of so uh but here just now is the Priyanka opinion yeah wonderful well thank you so so much for asking or answering our questions um any last questions for Priyanka before we let her go oh we've got two right here in the front of set Priyanka how much time of yours can we take up I'm noticing the time let's do these two questions and then call it wonderful yep it's one question actually yep you're on I think you mentioned that you really liked the idea that the students are attending different cnc f events like kubcon or the community days I was wondering like do you have you thought like maybe like in the cnc f itself like about getting into collaboration with the universities or like maybe not fully fledged collaborations because people in the industry have stuff to do but something like giving giving like individual lectures or like spreading the gospel of cloud nativeness in a sense because like at least from my experience as student like many universities still have like very let's just say obscure attachment to old technologies so uh giving obviously when the students go into the industry they'll have an opportunity to like quickly learn the new stuff but at least in my opinion be very beneficial to show them the way even before that happens so for instance let me give like the simplest example like instead of running simple container with a database they just install some very obscure enterprise distribution when they're dealing with their database courses so what's your opinion on that like being able to spread the gospel among the students and the future potentially collaborators to the open source projects yes I wholeheartedly believe in that I as I said they're the next generation or you know next cohort of folks who are going to make cloud native ubiquitous so we gotta reach them I think our events scholarships and the mentoring program that we run but through google summer code as well as our own LFX mentoring are good starts but I have definitely toyed with the idea that you're talking about of can we have a like you know campus ambassadors program and I think we've really only been limited by bandwidth of cncf as a small staff but I would love to see such a program start emerging in the community and cncf could have hop in and support because I agree with you that the curriculum and universities and colleges may be a little bit behind sometimes and definitely not connected to real-world examples and and projects that happen the interesting thing is I think if the connecting the dots is what's required because you have the mentorship programs you have the event attendance possibilities you have the job boards it's more getting the information there to to the students I mean I'll tell you this so my brother I have a much younger brother he's doing his masters right now in computer science and he knows all about cube cons because my whole family knows everything about cube cons um yeah it's like everyone they're like oh cube cons don't disturb her and so I he knows about it I mean first you have to go many times and he's not showed up yet and then I was talking to him the other day about how to advance his career and I was like open source contribution is number one you really need to get involved and I started sharing how I cube fund that's what happens here like you know visibility is given to contributors people tell those stories he's like really you folks talk about open I was like you've known cube con for this long and you didn't realize that's what's going on and so if that can happen to my brother who talks about this all the time I feel like we really need to disseminate this information um I think as I was saying before we really we need a program programmatic approach if you or folks in the community are interested in creating a minimum viable program we would love to support it with resources and human power awesome thank you so so much we have one more question no oh it was the same question all right in that case um franca any last