 Big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast like this. We're gonna bring it to the table, boss talk, who your girlfriend fav? Check it, check it, check it, it's the unique hostess you brought, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely official, Ms. Jamaica. Yeah, my dad will go on. Man, what's going on? None. You look like you powered up. Yeah, yeah, let's go. Say man, hey, we got a guy in here now that I been a man. When I first heard this guy music, man, it moved my soul, boy, when it come down to just setting the mode, the dance, the dance vibe, everything that pretty much back in the days, it rolled something towards something, man. The guy was, yeah, from a small town, man. Check it, man. My boy Bone is in here, man. What's going on? Yeah. Okay, now my DJ told me that you had a store in Queen City. Where was your store? My store in Queen City was right by Cass County Bank. Okay. Stop playing, man. I was born in Atlanta. Why was you born in Brooks Hospital? Yes, sir. James Brooks. Don't play. Why was you born in Brooks Hospital? He just knew what hospital. Is that the only hospital? It's the only hospital out there, man. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. You can save from that. If you was born in Atlanta, you was either born in Atlanta at, you know, at Memorial. I couldn't go to the rich. I couldn't go to the rich. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I couldn't go over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm from East Texas. All the black people, you know, was born in Brooks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stop playing, man. I'm rocking with you. Oh, man, yeah. You're a legend, nigga. I told you you were a legend. You're forever real. Oh, yeah. Listen, man. I got to do a trail ride, right, on July 10th in San Antonio. And so tell me why the first time I get to fly, I hit up all my homies and my cousins from high school. And I sent them, like, I got performed this trail ride. Yeah, I talked about it. Like, everybody owns horses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, the ATVs and stuff. They go mudding and stuff like that. Yeah, of course. That's a new thing that they're doing down there. Yeah, it's crazy. You don't do it? I don't do it. I am not country like that at all. No. Are you from the country? Yeah, I'm just from there. I don't hate horses, but I hate horses. Man, it was just, it was a delight when them youngsters cashing them. TJ then was like, yeah, we can get you hold him. I was like, get him. That's the one I've been looking for. Plus, you know, I've been showing these Texas a lot of love. And you like the king of that thing, to be honest with you. Man, you know, and they don't believe that. Listen, man. I mean, I believe it. Like, and for me, it's like, I'm literally the only one. You know what I mean? You ain't got to tell me. I just kind of just... I respect it. And at the end of the day, I'm a dude that really, really... I look at numbers, man. So did you go play them or go? It's really like a gold, but it's not... Okay. But you know, TikTok is booming right now. No, no, no. I get the new wave, but back then it was all about the numbers, right? Yeah. So are you liking the way things are going now? I mean, you know, honestly, I've been busier since, you know, since the TikTok and everything. I've been busier the past couple months. You know what I mean? Like people calling and booking shows. So the TikTok, did it do something to spiral you back? A little bit. You know, not too much, but, you know, enough to where, you know, people would be like, yeah, let me book bomb. So, you know, hey, and that's good enough for me. Man, I'm just... I'm glad to see you, like I say, still working. A lot of them boys, they ain't got that spirit like that, man. And the song's still going. And that's the blessing, that's the biggest blessing. Like I had... And it'd be crazy, like this... I'll call her a fan, I don't know if she's a fan or not, but she hit me up on my DM from... And she was from New Orleans, and she talking to me, like I just made the song yesterday. She was like, did you pay shorty for that sample? And I'm like... Hey. That's like a 11-year-old song. What are you talking about? That was definitely one of my questions. Like, did you get it clear? Yeah. Like you have to. You gotta get it clear, like so... And I could send it to you, so you could hear it if you want to. I'm gonna put it out on my next project coming out. But I actually have the very last verse of Magnolia Shorty actually rapping. She actually rapped a long girl. Really? She's supposed to be on the remix, but you know... No, powers that be. The verse was in. I don't know. I tried to get it on there. Really? You gotta talk to people that's bigger than high than me. So how did it start for Bone? How did you start off, man? As far as what? As far back as you go. How Bone come from Atlanta, Texas, and how did this guy get to... I know you went to Prairie View, but how do you articulate everything to get this song out and all that? We want the story. For me, you know, my mom went to Jarvis, of course. Shout out to Jarvis. My sister-in-law went there. I mean, you know, that was in the 80s, 87, 88. She probably went to school with Theo. Yeah. So, you know, hip-hop during that year, and she was a big L.L. Cool J. fan. Yeah. So was she. Excuse me. So, of course, for me, it was just L.L. Cool J. Mama say knock you out, and then I need love and just trying to wrap this stuff on the Fisher Price karaoke machine. Hey, Bob, I was spoiled. I had a Fisher Price karaoke machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was up. And then from that point, you just, you know, develop this passion for it. Something that you don't even really know what it is. You just kind of just, I want to, I think I want to. How old were you at that time when you developed that passion for it? Seven. Wow. I was trying to, I was pretending to kind of trying to wrap when I was like three or four, but I was like, I'm going to be a rapper when I was seven. Like, you know, I look like I'm going to be a football player. So at the end of the day, let's keep going with the story. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, just as far as that goes, just going from being a seven year old, just wanting to wrap. And I don't know, just, and then I was seven years old wanting to wrap. Ain't nobody in these texts is right. I'm not like that. Well, he didn't know he was going to be like that at seven years old. No, I know that. But I'm just saying for us to keep him going and keep him just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely like a, like dreaming. You know what I mean? Yeah, just like big dreaming. Just like imagination out of this world. It was this guy, Ernie, Ernie Ski. He was, he played, you know what I'm saying? He played piano and he had a little group they did rapping and stuff like that. And one of my, my godmothers, her nephew, he rapped and he was, you know, really, really good. You know what I mean? So he was one of the people that I kind of just, you know, with kind of. What was his name? His name was C, you know what I mean? C. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. You know what I mean? I'm trying to see if it one of them stiggles or something. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm about to say no. It wasn't one of them. You know, it was a bunch of them down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and so. You're really from Shiloh? Oh, no, no, I know it. I know it. I know it. I'm not from, I graduated with a lending. Oh, okay. But I just lived in Shiloh. Where did you graduate with a lending? Oh man, it was $89.90. Oh, okay, okay. So you know my best friends are that Martin, Martin Gottwood. Yeah, I know Martin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know Martin. Yeah, a little older, but he definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Martin. Yeah, yeah. That's good, man. He was a good guy. Still a great guy. Yeah, I haven't seen him in years. Still phenomenal. He was up by Douglasville, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. Well, they moved back. They moved to, they stayed out like toward Bloomberg. Okay, okay. But he's still a great guy. Like I went down there and because his son just moved back to Vegas and I went down there and seen him. You think he'll see this episode? No, Martin won't. He ain't on social media. No, no, no. Martin won't see it. You too. You too. Martin did have to show it to him. Yeah, yeah. He outside working on something. Yeah, that boy used to be fast and straight. He was good in sports. Yeah, definitely, definitely. They showed, well, he would show us the tapes. But actually, I don't know if you know him. Well, you probably know him. Derrick Simmons, the quarterback. He was our offensive coordinator in Atlanta. Okay, and he used to talk about it. Yeah, so he's like, I got tired of hearing him still. Because, you know, his son was writing. So you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So was you good in balling? I was all right. Yeah. Yeah, I could have been better, but I was more focused on rapping. Even then. See what I'm saying? He was special, man. Yeah, I was putting out mixtapes and stuff like that. Really? Were you selling them? Like the first project I put out, it was me and this blind guy named Young Cass. He still raps. Blind guy. Blind guy, yeah. Isn't that Lama still? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can rap. Yeah, he suffers from being in a situation where he, you know what I mean? You have a disability and so you can't do what's necessary that you need to do being from a small town to get the proper production and the people behind your knowledge, different things like that. Yeah. But I mean, every time I look up, he posting something, posting some new music and doing something. So, you know, he's still at it. Yeah. But we had put out something. I think I was like 15. We had put out something. And then the next year I put out a mixtape. Like it was just me. And I sold like 130 and I was like in a week, you know what I mean? And you were just so happy. Yeah, it was happy. Yes, that's fly. You know what I mean? Just talking cash. I sold about 200 of them. So, how old were you when you started taking it serious? Was that at that age? I was taking it serious then, like 14, 15. 14, 15. I was a rapper in my mind. You know what I mean? Or anybody tell me. You was an old rapper. Or, you know, back then. Back then, he was the only rapper. I know right. But back then freestyle was the big thing. So like anytime it was some freestyling going on, you know, I had to be the one to come in and jump it off and, you know, all of that type of stuff. Man, that's crazy to be that young and to be that far away from everything and still have that mindset. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, then it's just dreaming. You know what I mean? Just like anything else. Most kids down there playing football, they focused on that. It's like extremely similar to me in thought process as far as imagining wanting to be it. Like it's hard to make it to the NFL or the NBA or, you know, MLB or anything. So it's just as hard to, you know, create something that or get it and get a deal, you know, just as hard as it is to go to the NFL. Well, you know, Jason Peters, shout out Jason Peters down there. You know, he used to buy, I used to sell clothes like crazy down there. Domino all the way back across that stretch. I had a store in Marshall, too. I hustle, man. That's what I come from hustling, man. Yeah. Really getting it. I ain't, you know. I was all up and down 59. Oh, yeah. 59 all the way back up to Southern stream back through Kilgore and everywhere. Tyler. I've literally touched every inch of Highway 59. Me, too. From Texacana all the way down to the last turn in Padre where you got to pick. Padre. Go left to right. Well, it's right before Padre, but you got to pick whether you're going to go left or right. How far down did you talk? I'm talking like Mexico. That's what I'm saying. You went to Mexico? I've really driven. I mean, I ain't drive it, but I've been on every inch of Highway 59. From Texacana all the way to South Padre. That's crazy. So 59 can take you to... South Padre Island. Wow. South Padre. We went down there, but we didn't go 59. Yeah, we was. We did go 59. We took 59, but it turned into something else. Yeah, I know. Because when you get to the end of 59, you got to go left or right. You got to pick, and then you got to go left, and you go to Padre. That's what we done. We just did that last year. He's Texas to go, didn't we? Yeah, I did. Y'all took 59 the whole way. Y'all took 59. Trust me, you took 59. Yeah, yeah. We just be rolling, man. We just trying to get away. That was during the pandemic when it first started. Maybe. It was a hurricane or something going on down there. I said, let's go down there because everybody ain't going to be there. Because it was a hurricane over in Galveston somewhere that they was talking about going to touch down. Touch it, right? And then I was like, let's go to Padre. Nobody going to be there. And we got on there. There was still some people down there. I'm like, what the... They don't have a lead. Not there. So how old were you when you got your first big break? I was 21. And how did you get your first big break? I was 21. I had... It was the Texas Music Summit. The core DJs had did it with the definition DJs. And so Tony Neal, we was just talking about... Yeah, Tony Neal. Shout out to Tony Neal. Shout out to Milwaukee. Milwaukee in the building. Shout out to my cameraman, Big Rob who hold it down for me. We got to go to Vegas and everywhere else. Big Rob is in the building. Shout out to Big Rob. But yeah, Tony was there. And he had been hearing the song, of course, all weekend from the summit. You know, it was DJs dropping the club. Everybody goes crazy, you know. So I went up to him and I'm like, hey, how you doing, Mr. Neal? Have you heard my song? He was like, I ain't heard shit. If you know Tony, that's just how Tony is, you know. A million people coming up to him, you know what I'm saying? And then when he found out who I was, he immediately was like starting, you know, introducing me to people. Introducing me to people. And he introduced me to this guy, Siddy. And Siddy had a situation with L.A. Reed. So he... I was the sort of guy. It was hump day at PV. Hump day is Wednesday. It's like a big thing that we have in the middle of the day. You know, DJ Combs, you know, just like vibe out. I'm leaving hump day. Or on my way to hump day, one or the other, cutting my partner's hair. And Quickmix Rick had called me. Shout out to Quickmix Rick. And Eric Parler was on the phone. Eric Parler was the head of the radio promotions for Devil Jam at the time. So, you know, radio, Quickmix, you know. And that was like, yeah, man, you know what I'm saying? I was talking to Siddy, man. They were going, you know, see if we can't do something, man. Really liking the song. And I was like, you know, it's kind of surreal. Because, you know, everybody's telling you, you know, you meet some... At that point, I ran into so many people with the... You know, you're going to get a deal. You're going to get a deal. You're going to get a deal. You run into so many people. So, you kind of just don't believe anything. You just kind of just... And again, I'm still at Preview. So, you know, whatever. But Siddy called me. And he was like, yeah, yeah. I'm going to get the plane tickets tonight. And then I'm going to send them to you. And then we're going to set the audition up for Friday. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, you do that. I'll go up. So, I wake up the next morning. It's Thursday. And I look at my email and the plane tickets was there. And I was like... And, you know, my manager at the time was like, yeah, man, you're going to know this, this, this, this. So, I don't even think I went to class that Thursday. Oh, yeah, it's time. Yeah, it's time. Because I was just trying to process everything. I don't even think I went to class. But I definitely flew to Atlanta that night. And then Friday morning, we flew to New York and I auditioned for LA Reed. Wow. And that's how I went down. So, how was that meeting with LA Reed? It was surreal. I was out of my body like my Louisiana people say. You know what I mean? You just kind of just, you know, like for me personally, because I had talked so much shit to this point from seven years old to everybody that I knew from Atlanta that, you know, I'm going to be a rapper. I'm going to be there. I'm going to get a deal. I'm going to get a deal. Ain't they ain't got good? I'm going to get a deal. I'm going to get a deal. So, you know, you work all of this time and you finally get here. And I was just like, I'm not leaving here without getting a deal. You know, just not. You're a sexist legend, though. For real, for real. Like, I'm going to keep saying that. And even more so, you know, more so than I'm proud of. You should be. I got LA Reed to write me an excuse letter for missing class. Hey, yeah. Yeah. So that was odd. My professor still got that in his office. Do you still have a relationship with LA Reed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Just a few texts or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Nothing too serious. No, no, but still just the fact that you still have a relationship with him. Yeah, him tricky and everybody, you know, still city. City is the head of loud records now. And a tricky, tricky has another situation. Red 20s, three that he's doing. And of course, LA has hit code. You know what I mean? And hit codes been doing real good. You know, Yellow Bees signed the hit code. Yeah. So, I mean, there are still, you know, making moves, innovating. Yeah. So do you do so? And of course, dream and dream. Dream is still doing this. What about the producer? Who produced that song? My partner, Solar Slim, he goes by Solar Slim, but he's actually from Fort Worth. Oh, you still? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just picked him up. Well, he's actually a golf pro. Oh, really? He got a golf scholarship at Preview. That's how we met. That made him fly. I like it. Yeah, he was on the golf scholarship at Preview. Hey, if you got any kids that want to learn how to golf, we do golf lessons and stuff like that. Really? Yeah, we're about to open up a driving, kind of like top golf, but not top golf. It's like a top golf or trail ride type situation where you can just kind of pull up and we'll have like 50 balls charged, 50 balls and we had the lanes in charge and we teaching you how to drive and hit the clubs and stuff like that. I might need to take y'all up on that because I don't mess with it, but that's all my partners do. That's one sport I hate. I tried it one time and I could not get the ball in the hole. I'm one of the cheaper guys. Throw it and say, forget this. I can't either. You know, I'm a caddy. You know, I'm a caddy. You know, I caddy for him. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I swear, I picked him up the other day. He had a competition the other day and he had partnered with another one of our, but it's his cousin, but we all the same. But they had partnered up and he's back doing competitions and everything, but he's training to get on the PGA, PGA Golf Pro and do the golf pro tournament for PGA. So that's what he's doing right now. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He still makes beats for me from time to time. Yeah, but the nigga produced that song like that and y'all still got a relationship. Because most of the time, a lot of people, you know, they have issues. Yeah, somebody get into it, man. He was mad at me for a long time. He's still a little bit mad at me, but, you know. No, but you, I'm annoying. Yeah, you made it to where the problem wasn't so big that it over and interrupted into the relationship to where it stopped everything. I mean, he did it for a little while. He didn't talk to me for a couple years. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did you mend it? How did you mend these stories? You called him the same, man. Quit tripping. No, he was getting ready to put out a project and he needed my help. So he called. He's like, I hate to call this dude. I hate to call this dude. But I'm gonna go and call this dude, but I really hate to call this dude. Well, he was talking, well, he was dealing with this guy that was managing him. And, you know, like, you know how that beats. You want to get a second opinion on different things from somebody you actually know is, like, that has the knowledge. So it was one of those types of situations. I get it. You know, you're a special guy, but I mean, you wanted a coldest dude to come through Atlanta High School, but it's the only one that was colder than you. And it was what she's not a dude, Ellen DeGener. Oh, I see Ellen. Yeah, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen. Which is crazy, right? Yeah, she's not. I've seen that long time. I was like, Ellen? I mean, she went through Atlanta High School? Yeah, Ellen. It's crazy. Yeah, you can see her pictures, right? You didn't know that. Yeah. I always heard you say that. Yeah, pictures. She was doing a thing. That's hand-pictured. Shout-out to Ellen, man. Ellen DeGeneres. Ellen DeGeneres definitely came through there. And amazing, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So you, but you next. And she probably never been back to even. Hey, watch out. You don't know. Nothing to have to see. No, no, no. Has she? For her class reunion, I think with the 30th, she had flew all her classmates out to the show, and they had their big class reunion. That's out there. I'm talking for the city that she's from. Has she ever? She's not from there. She came from New Orleans, isn't she? Yeah. Well, she moved to New Orleans later, but they had, I don't know what the story was, but they had moved to Atlanta. Yeah. Like, and she had kind of like grew up there. Yeah, I seen that. I read that. She graduated. She moved to New Orleans, and then went from there. So it's not, you know. But that's still a part of her. I know so many people. Yeah. Even like, I was just talking about Martin Hissa. He originally was born in California, and he didn't move to East Texas until he was like 12. Wow. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's a bunch of situations like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kids move when they're like, you know. Okay. Different allegiances. I got another question. Like, when you went back home after this song, just blew like that. How was it? It was cool. Everybody was happy. Everybody was happy. Nobody hating? No. No, not at all. No. They all know each other. No, no. Everybody knows each other. You know, some people were like, oh, that should have been me. No, they didn't. Nobody rapped. Nobody rapped. He was the only one. I was the only one that rapped. Like, everybody knew I rapped. And I was the only one that wanted to rap. So it was like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about the way it went from, the music transition from CDs to like, where it's at now. To streaming. You know, it just caused you to be more innovative with your thinking. Yeah. The imagination that people used to have to use as far as creating the music and stuff like that. Yeah. Now you have to use that same imagination with how do you get the listener to stay in tune with what you're doing? Yeah. Because like, now everything is like, and you know, it's crazy when you think about it, like from even just the transition from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Like how, you know, an album would be two or three songs. Yeah. And then it went to like five songs. Yeah. And then it went to 10 songs. And then it went to 20, 30 songs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it just, everything transitions because you never know, you know, how people are listening to music, whether it be radio or, you know, now internet and different things like their telephone. Music changes so much. Well, the way people receive it and the way people get it. Yeah. So like, I swear, I was in probably about two years ago and I just had a epiphany. I was in the Dallas Cab North with DJ Chubb. And I've been knowing Chubb ten years. You know what I'm saying? Like I remember taking a CD to Chubb. You know what I mean? A homegirl. You know, I can literally remember that. And a dude came up to him and paid him $20 to play his song. And he pulled it off of YouTube. Really? Like that. He downloaded it off of YouTube. Chubb did. Chubb said, well, he didn't have it. Like a USB or a CD, he just had a YouTube link and he downloaded it off of YouTube and he played it off of YouTube. You know what I'm saying? Like off of YouTube. And I can remember whispering to him and saying, you couldn't have done that ten years ago, right? And he just laughed and said, you know what I'm saying? Nah, you couldn't. Yeah. Like I can just remember like, like I just did an event, play one shot, play one. It was her birthday, happy birthday to her. And DJ Q was there. Yeah. I remember Q used to, he didn't even have Serato like for a while. Like when everybody was transitioning, he still had the CDJs where, you know, he was traveling around 16 CD books with, you know what I'm saying? The song on the CD to know which song and he going to sing the song. And like, I can remember Q doing that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Now he's, you know, he had to, you know what I mean? Just so many. He had to change it up. Yeah, it's just crazy. It's a lot of things. DJs had to change. Everybody had to change. Like DJ the world changed. I was getting ring tone money. Yeah. Oh, you are. Like the last little bit of ring tone money. Let me ask you this. So, so think about like, you got to really think about that. Like I was getting ring tone money. Like nobody even has like. No, you and Soulja Boy was the only two doing it. I mean, I was the last. Like I'm saying like, like probably like the last little bit where, you know, people stopped paying for ring tone. Yeah. Yeah. So did you, did you still, did you own, you was the rights to your music, royalties and all that? I mean, well, you know, I got publishing. You know what I mean? Everything shared. Yeah, yeah, of course. Because you did sign a major deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But as far as, you know, writers go and publish and go, I still got a percentage and stuff like that. That's what's up, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that means something. You know, a lot of cats can't say that, bro. Oh, yeah, definitely. You change, you definitely, like I say you to go, man, when it comes down to it. I wish I was this. From East Texas, stop playing. You better step into that position. From Atlanta. From Atlanta. I said, yeah, but East Texas is a whole. Yeah, I mean, I would say that myself, but you know. You know what I'm saying? Step into it. Make it look like you off the top because they're going to show come for you. They try, but they got a long way to go. You did something special, man. Yeah. I mean, it'd be hard. It's hard. Like, and then now. You can't never do what you done a lot of time because it's a different time. Yeah. And then you try to give the proper advice and you try to tell people what to do. And then they still run off and go do like the weirdest shit in the world. You'd be like, do you have? What do you do? What do you do with the advice? From down there and try to. No, all the time, people hit me up and ask for like, yo, what should I do? Advice, guidance. Yeah, like, give me advice. But they don't follow it. They don't follow it the right way. They don't follow the right way. It was something LA really told me after I got my deal and after I had already fucked up. But he had told me something that I always resonates with me every day and is do everything right. And at the time when he told that to me, I didn't know what it meant. Yeah. And I had already fucked up and did a whole bunch of shit wrong. Yeah. So I was like, how can I get to doing everything right? How can I get to right to doing everything right? But that's something that resonates with me. But how is that possible to do everything right? There's no such thing. Yes, it is. It's very important. Like, whatever you dedicate yourself to, if it's like this radio show, don't allow mistakes. But you're going to make mistakes. But don't allow mistakes. It's a different from making a mistake and allowing mistakes. When you allow mistakes to linger instead of fixing them right then, that's how you're doing everything wrong. Do everything right. Oh, right. Be so absolutely prepared that nothing can fail. You know what I mean? And at that time, at 22, I absolutely knew what he was talking about. No, no, no, you're right. I was just... How the fuck do I do everything right? That's how it will sound like when I say always expect the unexpected. It's be prepared for everything and be over-prepared for what's not going to happen. And for everything that you expect to happen, expect for it to fuck up and be expected to fix it and everybody around you is an idiot and you have to do everything for everybody. I feel that 100%. That's how you do everything right. I feel it. That's how it took me... I think he gave you some good advice. It took me therapy in ten years of mistakes to understand what that meant. Like, you know what I mean? There ain't no overnight figure out what that means, but... So are you that person now? I try to be. You know what I say? You're working progress? Well, when it comes to music, when it comes to my music and career, I do everything right, type person. But you can't account for people going out of their way to fuck you up. So, you know, when people are going out of their way to fuck you up, it's just... That's the only thing into doing everything right that you can't, you know, kind of defeat is other people, you know, bulldozing and doing everything they possibly can to ruin what the fuck you got. So have you worked with... I mean, you know, East Texas is popping right now. When I say popping, I'm going to say it in a way to where people are beginning to recognize and getting to recognize. I have interviewed a lot. Sergeant J, you got that song, Busset? Well, I love Sergeant J. Well, you got to understand, his big brother Ricky... Yeah. His big brother Sergeant B. He's been on here. You ain't seen that episode, did you? Yeah, I didn't. But his big brother Ricky, Sergeant B, we graduated, well, the same year. He's from L.E. off of Atlanta. He's the only other person I knew growing up that rap. But he was way further advanced than I was. He had CDs. He was doing shows. He had a studio. Yeah. He was making beats. Like, this was, you know, when I... You know, like we were in high school. Like, he's always been so far advanced. So to see his little brother, you know, being this, you know... 15-1-1-2-5. It's crazy. You know what I mean? Because, you know, I can remember... I remember it was this... It was kind of like a talent show. But it was in Liberty Island. And he was performing. Like, I can literally remember watching him perform at 14, 15 years old. Like, watching him. You know what I'm saying? So... That's crazy. No, it was a... I didn't realize they knew each other like that. Yeah, definitely. That's dope. That's dope. I still, like, when I go down there, I record at the studio. You do? Yeah. I got a holler at him. Me and him talk a lot. Like, I called him. I talked to him the other day. They about to come back on the show. Well, he else. He coming by himself. Okay. So who do you think is the next rising star out of East Texas? I have no idea. He ain't tapped in. I'm doing it. When I say I'm not tapped in, I'm not tapped in because... And it's personal. And when I say it's personal, it's, I think, like, the blaze and then, like, 1-0-3-5, I think these people are the reason why East Texas doesn't get the opportunity to blossom the way... Okay. For most artists the way... Even... And I have to use Dallas, for example, and over Houston because Dallas is a perfect example of how if the radio will invest in you, how it can help the artist. Mm-hmm. Because so many, like, artists... Young T. Hiddle with the Jimmy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know if you remember that. But they played his shit so much during what was it? All-Star Weekend, you know what I'm saying? He got a deal off of that. Wow. You know what I mean? Like, whether or not, you know what I'm saying, they still playing Hiddle with the Jimmy, or not, they play his shit. The radio, it was invested in him enough to work. They play his shit so much to work, he got a deal off of that. Wow. Same thing happened. I went to the BT Awards. 2000... It was 2010, 2011, I can't remember. But they was playing YG's Tooted and Booted on Power 106, like every fucking three minutes. Really? Go to the club. Say what's up. Tooted and Booted every three minutes. Every three minutes. To the point to where I'm asking, like, who is this? Like, what is this song? And they like, that's YG. He signed the Def Jam 2, so I go to this dream party. And then it... There goes YG. Right there, doing interviews. He's excited. Yeah, just got to coast off. They rockin' with him. And he's no different at this time for me, you know? In his part of California, he's got a hot song. He's got a homegirl, basically. You know what I mean with Tooted and Booted? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just like, just the air and just the time is just so unique, so different. That's crazy, but you say the radios, you feel like they don't play enough for the artists in the area? I don't remember. Okay, I'll say this. In my song, I say, you have to go to East Texas to find my kind. I do not remember the blaze, like, in, like, K-T-K-A-D-A-N-N-97-9 in Chicago and... I can't think. Like, bunch of other stations, I use very specific stations, though. They play my shit 70 times a day. Wow. So if I'm getting 25 spins in Tyler, and these other places that have no bearing of East Texas are playing me 70 times, you, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like... Yeah, but do you think they just weren't educated on the phone? I mean, how can you not be educated on the radio? Well, I mean... Like, that's... I'm just trying to understand why they wouldn't do it. And did they play any songs 70 times? Yeah, yeah, I mean, yes. People who that weren't from down there. Yeah, you play... They gonna play... Dallas songs. No, all the other stuff, them GZ records, them Lil Wayne records. Oh, yeah, they play in the hell I do. You know what I'm saying? 30 times, you know what I mean? So did you ever go on 106 in part? Mm-mm. You didn't ever get to go? I never got to go. That's crazy. The song was too vocal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Party Boys did, but my song was too vocal. And me and Darrow, we were talking about it the other day. He went. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Darrow had a platinum hit, man. He killed it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was with you, wasn't he? Yeah, a purview. Same year. But Darrow... Whose song was the biggest during time? Because, yeah, they walked at wall. Darrow. Darrow's always been the biggest. Really? Yeah, Darrow is probably... The hardest working person I've seen work towards something that was, that's literally impossible. I've never seen somebody work as hard as Darrow. That's on everything. Like, I work as hard as I do now because of Darrow. Wow. Like, he was... That's a good, that's a big shout out. Like, he literally, like, when we was at PV, he hit the ground running. Like, everybody else worried about everything else, bitches, this, this, this. No, I'm sorry. Like, he found somebody that recorded, and he had a CD that he came with. You know what I'm saying? He was pumping that CD. You know what I mean? I was too ashamed to pump mine, but he was pumping his... He was 21, 22. No, he was 18. No, you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was both 18. 18. That's what I'm saying, freshman year. Just freshman year at PV. He hit the ground running. He was selling his... And then he made a CD. He got, like, all the rappers in the U.C. and all the rappers that he could think of or that claim that rap, except for me, of course. Yeah. And he did this mixtape and did on the bus, the touch it, the bus to touch it. They all did a verse on the bus to touch it. Like, that was freshman year. He put a project out every year until walk that walk and everything happened. Really? Like, he literally was on it anytime. There was, like, a concert, like, Boothmobile would come or some shit like that. He'd find a way to perform. Like, you look up, we'd be in the audience, you know what I'm saying? Vibing, you know? Well, he'd come out before. Yeah. You're like, just do this. And we'd be sitting there like, how the fuck is this nigga before me? And we'd sit here. Why are we not performing? Why is this thing? Because he had that drive. He figured it out. Like, that's what I'm saying. And it was just, it was, you know, it goes from jealousy to inspirational because you just like, how the fuck is this thing going on? And then you'd be like, I need to be doing whatever the fuck he's doing. Like, whatever the fuck he's doing, I need to be doing what he's doing. Wow. Yeah, he definitely, we had a great interview and definitely, I'm loving this, man. Now, he's a hard fucking worker. I didn't know he worked that hard like that until I met him. He's a great businessman. I can tell you that much. Fuck all that. Hard fucking worker. I'm talking like, hard fucking worker. Like, he knows. You know, like, you, you, like, I'm talking like, you gotta, like, we're at prayer view. Like, I want you to understand. I know what it is. Central. No, uh, yeah. This is like, okay. Yeah, this is what they called a, yeah, they had a name for it. This is like, you know what I mean? I mean, but you know what I mean? Just a matter, I, you know, this is the live as shit going on in Kingston, wherever the live as shit going on in Kingston is, you know what I mean? Trina Gardens or whatever it, you know what I mean? This is that, you know what I'm saying? This is going, it's going down every day. Like, I want you to understand on Wednesday at 12 o'clock at noon, we throw a party in the middle of campus. You have classes. We have a party. Going on in the middle of campus from 12 to 1. Like, from 12, and then on at home. For one hour. It's going down. And it's not. Who parties for one hour? From 12 to 1. It's going down. And I mean like, it's a movie. It's going down. Do they still do that today? Yes. It's a tradition. It's been going on since, I don't know, but it's a tradition. Like, it won't stop. Like. Wow. Like, if we went out there and it went down. It's a party and then go right back to class and like, everything is fine. Exactly. That's what makes you a panther. That's what makes us unique from the rest of the universities because nobody else could be able to figure that out. And you actually did that? I did that for a long time. I have a master's degree from Preview, so yes, I did that for a very long time. So you went to all the parties? As many as I could. What about after I made hunger, I stopped going? Let's go back to the road. What did he do during this time? Was he partying and was he doing all that stuff too? Well, he was at hump day because he was pushing his music. He was, like, he'd be on the DJ. He was focused. Up there with the DJ booth. Pushing, you know, trying to make sure that whatever song he had sung do the muscle. Even making sure that whoever fucks with DJ was playing do the muscle. Like, whatever it was. Like, never seen. So it was prime time clicking all of them, rocking with him? Yeah. It was 50 of them. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was 50 of them. It's 50 of them. They're just rolling through. That many. Yeah. I mean, well, you know, I'm exact. Yeah, but they were showing their presence, right? They get on stage and, you know... And I'm talking about, you know... Yeah, your partner. So the Slim, you know, the one... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking to him. I love it. Because you already had the drive. You knew you was gonna wrap. I wanted to. And my partner, So the Slim, him too. Like, his mom is Queen Delta. You know what I mean? He was the head of the Fort Worth chapter of Delta Sigma Theta. Yeah. So growing up, he had to make all the Delta songs and do all the Delta mixes for the step shows. And he was doing that since he was 14, 15. Okay. So, you know, he had the same kind of drive, you know, I mean, that I did, you know, more so from a producer aspect. Okay, okay. Than I did. But, you know, it was the same kind of drive. And we would just be arguing. Like, just going back and forth about different shit that we need to do. He wanted to put out a clean, like an all clean album where we don't cuss and all these types. You weren't doing that. Was not. All kind of did. We butted head. But the one thing we didn't butt heads on was that that nigga, the role was figuring it the fuck out. We both, it was like, whatever the fuck he's doing, he's figuring it the fuck out. Yeah. So you guys, your song, when it actually hit, you go out of town, you out of college or you back in the college? I was. You say you went back to class. How long had you got? Okay, I was like, when I first got, when everything first popped off, like when the song was starting to get popular, I was still in school. Then I had. And the role was in there too? He was. And then he left, he left a year before because of everything was starting to pop off. Trying to pop off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he had left a year before. And I was still there, like, until like a, and then I took like a semester off. Oh, really? Yeah, I took a semester off and then I went back. So today, do you use your, the college, you got your master's, man. Stop playing, man. I use them in the sense of like dealing with every day, like my master's in sociology. Okay. You know, dealing with the human behavior of people and different geographies and places that I go. And, you know, for me, it's just like personal research. Like, okay, why do people in Cincinnati listen to music like this? You know what I mean? I'll be doing like dumb fucking research in my mind to myself about, okay, well, if I'm going to do this, I need to do, you know what I mean? Just different ways. It's just weird shit. So getting a master's in that it helps you in today's society with a lot of things? For me, it helps me because I'm a very weird individual and I might not help everybody, but it helps me. How weird? What are you talking about? I mean, just like the way I analyze and I see things. Like, like I was saying, like, as far as analyzing human behavior of listening patterns for different people in different places in different areas, like different type of music that they want to listen to in the club when they go to the club. Like, example, I went and did a show in Shreveport. 90% of the music that the DJ played was, you know, pow, pow, pow, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? The Louisiana pow, pow, pow. You know what I mean? Just everything, you know, rolling like 18 willa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? All of that. They've been doing that a long time. Right? And then last night, I mean, Fort Worth, and I, at pinups and the DJs playing, you know, a more neglected, you know, Atlanta, GZ, Gucci, trapped out type of, you know, vibe, you know what I mean? In the strip club, you know what I mean? As opposed to the bouncy pow, pow, pow. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to know these things when you perform because you don't want to get on stage doing like some hard shit. And these people don't respond to that. They respond to pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. So you need to be trying to figure out what they respond to. Pow, pow, pow, shit. So whenever you doing that and then you going, I go in the homegirl, it's a movie. You know what I mean? And then it'd be different. Like Louisville, Kentucky is strangely like a lot rougher than what people might think. And they like the rough shit. So you got to be a lot rougher with them. You know what I'm saying? You know, in the songs that you choose to do before, you're going to, you know, just a different hard shit. Yeah. So for me, that's what I use it for. Different things like that. So I know like, I don't like when I'm on stage and people are staring at me. So did you, I was going to ask him, did you perform at pinups? I didn't perform. No, I just, Just hanging out up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trot out the Frost over there. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he been on here. Oh, yeah, yeah. Frost was in the building. Jay Red was DJing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jay Red was DJing. But my boy, fresh, he, go DJ fresh, he DJ next week. He told me that already. I'll be, because we talk a lot. Our partners. Gotta stay in it, man. So D, are you currently doing this full-time? Or are you? What? Rap music. Yeah. I've been doing rapping. Doing it like full-time since I graduated. Staying relevant. Okay. So, the song, He at Hard, I listened to your new song, but he didn't send me the name. It was like one, it was a new song you just done. Yeah, a probably wild thing. Mike and I sent it. Yeah, but he sent it to me. And I listened to it. I like it. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Yeah, it's more, more different on that. Yeah. So, you gonna put, you gotta have visuals now, man. You got the look, bro. I just got to shoot a video with Giovanni last week. I'm just waiting on you. Yeah, yeah. He been on the show. Yeah, I love Giovanni. Man, it's crazy. Everybody on there, they done been on the show. They be tapping in. Man, Giovanni, I remember Giovanni was like the only guy from Waco rapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know Flex and Fab? Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. They supposed to be here tomorrow, I think, right? I met a Flex and Fab, probably when they flip in, Tom Tom was shooting the video on Waco. Yeah. He was doing the album together. Yeah, man. He got great energy. Man, him do good interviews together. There's certain people you get with him. Y'all just be, he loves, he go into his whole character, how things happen for him. He excited about it. Saying what, you know, I, you know, I didn't know what to expect from you, but the country, you know, being from Atlanta, how they accepted the music, how you, I didn't know the, I didn't know you knew Sergeant B. like that. Yeah. That's crazy because I should have knew that because they are on the same age. And he's sexy saying, I mean, I mean, we girls wait both girls wait no five. So, I mean, he probably older than me because my birthday in July, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Don't ask me why. He doesn't ask me why. Don't ask me why. I'm not gonna ask you why. Number two. Curtis, we say just artists in any genre. Any genre. Curtis Mayfield. Curtis Mayfield, that's a dope, that's a dope choice. Curtis Mayfield is definitely two... An agenda. Yeah. And then, all right, I don't know. I'm never, I see all these usually top rappers. So, when you have to think artists, it's like man, I like Curtis Mayfield. That was a good choice. That's a good choice. Curtis Mayfield, I love Curtis Mayfield. Number three always a trip, right? Because everybody has to like narrow it down and they hate that part. Yeah, I don't know. Man, it's so hard when you just think about that. Three, right. Cause I was good with Eminem and Curtis Mayfield and then you think about the last one, it's like, well, who do you choose? Because you have to narrow it down. People always be like, can I put two in there? And I don't know. I don't know who, I don't know. You gotta give us a three. I do a top three for a reason. I don't know who the third would be. I'm trying to think about who I listen to so much. Yeah, cause who you're ear listening to, what? You're gonna say- Or who inspired you too, as well. That couldn't be something. But you know, just what I'm saying, by top, it's not about who inspired me, it's just about the top. Who you like. I really be going about who you like, who music you listen to. I don't know, I'm kinda lame, I guess. Who about you? Man, that's what I was thinking and I don't know. Man, I just, I really don't know, I don't know how they answer that. Cause like- Let's throw somebody in. You wanna say PMC, but- Whoa, they had a punch line up, that's the punch line. Give it to me, I'm not gonna say it, buddy. I mean that he's not gonna give you the answer. But I'm still like excited, what I tell you anytime. You know, you was over there acting so laid back till he said PMC, that's, cause they come out every show. That's who I rock with, you know? Go ahead. Well, you wanna say PMC, but you can't. So you- Cause it's a group? Yeah, you can. Everybody been saying it anyway. I know a lot of people. I was one of our bunfields about that. Now I think because, he probably called okay, well I met him a few times, but I bet he okayed with it because he passed away and you know, at the end of the day, he knows how much he meant now, I guarantee it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, it was on the Homegirl remix too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the homie. I love it the way he is about family, man. Yeah, definitely. So you gonna say PMC, yeah, give it up, baby. Give it up, baby. Say, give it up. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. No, I didn't give it up. He said it, I didn't. He said it, I didn't, man. But I love Prince too, you know what I mean? That is your Prince too, I like that's like a love Prince. Hey, man, what are you tripping on, man? You all right? You ever been to Paisley Park? No, where's that? In L.M.? In Minneapolis, Minnesota. Let's say I'm in Prince's studio. How the hell I'm doing up there? You talking just in the area? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My neighbor, he's from there. People who go there just to see? Yeah, I test the walls. You gotta go test the walls. You gotta go test the walls. That boy played a lot of instruments, boy. Feel the vibes, you gotta go in there. People go there just to go there. I gotta ask you a question about, like, if you could help a young dude that was coming up from a small town, we ain't gonna say Atlanta, but a small town. And he was trying to get into the business. What would you suggest he do if he like 16, 17? Man, I got a list of steps that I usually just give people when they start asking me questions like that. Yeah, I got like a 18 list of steps. Give me an example so people can hear it through our waves. The first thing is, you know, record the music. Okay. Because you can have a dream all you want, but a dream with not no music is a dream deferred. So we must have the music. So the most important thing is the music. Like, don't worry about nothing until you got music. Then after you got music and music that you like and you're confident in, that you're confident enough to present the people, then you can go to the next step. Wow. Yeah, yeah. But if you ain't got nothing that you confident in presenting to people, then, you know. I gotta ask you about Smooty, too. Do you ever run into him over there? I haven't. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the reason I asked that is because of Sergeant Smooty. Yeah, yeah, that's Sergeant Smooty. Yeah, yeah, he worked with him a lot. So I just thought maybe y'all ran into each other. What about? I mean, I've been in the studio with him, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Video-wise, have you did anything to where, you know, you're gonna have some visuals coming up? I'm real picky about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. I got to see those. I just shot a video for Wild Thing. Okay. The song that Mike and I sent you. Yeah. The Giovanni we shot it last week. Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna get to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a few weeks. Yeah, I'm gonna be bragging about it, too. I'm gonna be on here saying, yeah, yeah. But to me, Texas Cab, man, you the king of that now. So I'm gonna let, do you got anything else? No, sir. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. Man, I appreciate that. Say, man, how can people get a hold of you? Hey, everything, Bon Demac, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. Well, Facebook is Bon Em Diggity. Okay. Where did you get that name Bon from? My nickname is Ham Bon. The nigga got a hell of a song. I know where he got it from. He got a standing on a song. My nickname is Ham Bon, and you know. But I bet you get a lot of things from that damn song, man. Everybody just caught me boned, so. So that's how that came about. Who gave you that name? Well, Ham Bon. My football coach, Coach Blackwood, when I was 12 years old, he started calling me. Just randomly start, came to football. We were stretching, and he said, you know, I think I'm gonna call you Ham Bon. Wow. And I was like, okay. I'm gonna rock with it, I'm gonna rock with it. You know, like, yeah. So I've been in Ham Bon since I was 12 years old. Man. Since that day. So, man, how you like our setup, man? I love it. I love it. Like, I'm gonna buy those shoes. What? Okay, we'll talk about that. You gotta shop and have it, too. You know what I'm saying? So thank you for coming on the show, man. And hey, man, we love you, and we appreciate you. Thank you for what you've done, what you brought, your legacy. Thank you for that, man. Real talk, man. I appreciate you so much. Man. No, no, it's real. Yeah, yeah, for real. Cause at the end of the day, you from where I'm from. Yeah, man. What you need to do is you need to get, like, what's his name? Ice from 102. Okay. And you need to get a DJ Juice on here, and you need to ask that. DJ Juice been on here. DJ Juice been on here. Oh, did you ask him why he don't play East Texas artists on the radio? He, I didn't know he didn't, cause he came here with Smith, which is his one of his artists. Right, his artist. So I didn't know. He plays a lot of East Texas artists. I'm not from down there, I'm from down there, but I don't be, I be up here. So I didn't really know the ins and outs, so. But next time he coming back, I'm gonna ask him. What you should do is, is you should pull up the playlist on the internet of one of, you go to 102theblades.com and pull up the playlist, cause you can like pull up the list live of all the songs they play. And there won't be one artist on there from East Texas. Wow. I'm gonna definitely check any of that. Just, just scroll through and be like, oh, he's not from East Texas. Do you think it's because nobody stands up and say it needs to happen? No, everybody stand up and say it. And now of course we know politics and corporate and all that. Of course. You know what I mean? But it's Tyler. We got a change. You know what I mean? Like, there ain't that much politics going on in Tyler. Like I know the word, you know what I'm saying? It's got a change. They don't support artists. Like. Period. Tyler, like 1069theblades, they don't support artists. They don't support them. You know what I mean? Period. I literally don't, like, if there was a way to like, kind of like create like a 93-7, like the way they did on the 97-9 in Houston. If there was a way to kind of do that for Tyler, that I would definitely, like nobody would listen to 102, 1069theblades anymore. Man, I mean that's something. They don't support local artists. I'm getting it back on the show. I wanna know. I mean, and ask him, like, why you don't play these Texans? And then he'll, you know, give you a roundabout answer, but I mean, and honestly, like, like, and I'm a big young, not cross-country black. I love cross-country black. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm a huge fan. He did a record for me on my last project. Okay. But he'll play cross-country black before he plays somebody from East Texas. Wow. Which is no knock. You know what I'm saying? Because he's dope. He deserves to be played just as much as anybody else. But if a East Texas artist came to him, okay. Okay. Man, hey, y'all, there you have it. DJ Juice, you need to try to play some people. And you follow me on IG, so you probably gon' see it. And you're on my- I mean, I've never, I've literally, like, we literally went down there cause we was a little Troy. We went down there and hollered a little Troy cause he was down there working a record with his son, T2. And there's no East Texas artist coming. Like, you know how at K-104 they got the Mondays where you can go do the Monday music review. Ain't none of that, you know what I'm saying? Going on, like, all of the things that you could, like that we know, like the general public knows that you can go to K-104 on a Monday. Yeah, on a Monday. And they got the Music Monday review. Everybody knows that. You cannot go to 102.7, 1069 to Blaze. And get nothing. Man, so- Cause I got this white boy that I work with, JLC. He's out of Dangerfield. Okay. He's been trying to get juice to play his music for years. And he get the same response. And he's willing to pay. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And he's, I'm not here to take the money, but you know what I'm saying? Like, he's willing to pay, but there's no avenue to where you can get on the radio, you know what I'm saying? It used to be, at least if you had the bread, you could at least get two or three spendings. You know what I'm saying? Well, at least there, at least there, it don't matter. And then, same thing in 103.5 and the radio, KZRB, the radio station in New Boston. Yeah. For that area in Texcan area. Same thing. So you think that was holding back a lot of the- And they don't even like report. You know what I'm saying? They just a real life, just a station. You know what I mean? Like, they don't even report. Like, they don't even show up on, like for the bread. You know what I mean? Like it's just, you know- It's crazy. At the end of the day, they- And I can go, I can go to Waco and holler at DJ Precise, shout out to DJ Precise and go holler at them on 94.5 and he'll let me come on the radio just like this and break a new record. No, no thing. You know what I'm saying? Same thing, clean. I can go to clean and do the same thing. Like, and they don't report. You know what I'm saying? Waco, clean, they don't report. Like, you know, like, you know, K to K, DA and you know, they don't report. But they still have the ear of the majority because they support local artists. Like in Waco, they support their local artists. Like, they gonna play, you gonna be right through Waco. If you listen to the radio, you gonna hear something that you ain't never heard before. You gonna be like, I don't know who this is. And he gonna say something by Waco and you be like, oh, he must be from Waco then. Like, like clean the same way. Like, even a spark dog was doing the intro song for the DJ. I can remember one time, probably about three or four years ago, Lil Hood had a party going on and they was like all on the radio, Lil Hood, Lil Hood, Lil Hood, Lil Hood. Just, you know what I mean? It's just some places where you expect to where it's a small town and they have a radio to where a radio can be. You know, it's not like how 979 the box is. It's syndicated with iHeart, Radio One and things like this. It's just kind of just an independent radio station working, you know, building this shit. Do you think that an artist's gotta go and just get out of it, out from down there? You just told me that, really. You're pretty much saying an artist has to leave. I literally could not have, I literally would have not with Homegirl. You wouldn't have popped with Homegirl. If I would have made Homegirl stand in Atlanta, Texas, I wouldn't have made it because I wouldn't have had any support from anybody in East Texas. Wow. Wow. Cause I'm gonna be honest with you. If I would have took that radio, if I took that record to Juice and Lush's Ice and all of them at first. They wouldn't have played it. They would have told me, it's good, but I don't know the reason. I don't know the reason. Because maybe they can't do it. They can't support local artists. They don't. I don't know. I don't know the reason. I just know they don't. I can literally go, I know at least three, like Rotary Tino and a bunch of more people. He was just on here. As Rotary Tino, how many times he been played on 96.9? They ain't doing it. Ask him. You ain't gotta talk, this ain't me. Just ask him. You can ask. Do you think his music is good? He willing to pay. It don't matter, right? He willing to pay. Like how many trash ass songs have you heard that you just, you know, you eventually end up like it? Yeah, cause they keep playing it. They paying them. Wow. So what, they money better than his money? No. That's what blows me is like, if you taking money, take the money. Yeah, yeah. Y'all taking money for ads. Like that's the game. That is the game. That is the game. Y'all tell, so he can't buy no ads. Like what is, you gotta be a certain person to buy ads. I gotta be wiped by ads. Like what is it the game to where I can buy these ads to get these radio screens? What is it? Like what I gotta do? Like, you know what I'm saying? And then you will start asking about it. They talk around you. Like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, so what? How many ads I gotta be at to get these radio screens? I was like, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is it. Y'all, hey, I don't wanna do it. I don't speak that. I don't speak that. Speak to me clear. Tell me what I gotta do. Or tell me no. You've asked many times. Or tell me no. He said you've asked. Or tell me no. I'm asking. Yes ma'am. Or tell me no. Tell me, and you get zen. Or you know, they don't respond. You know what I'm saying? You know, shit like that. Keep DJing and pretend they DJing and shit. They ain't like they ain't even doing nothing. They ain't heard nothing you said. And I'm specifically... For you saying that, you really making me think, okay, a artist, if I was listening to you, if I was listening to you and I know you've been in the game like you have and did all the work you've done in, I would literally come to Dallas or somewhere else and check my songs everywhere. The white boy, I'll be helping. His name is JLC. You can look him up. You can ask him. I literally told him he's wasting his time trying to do anything with anybody from East Texas or you're wasting your time. You're wasting your time and your money. It's not gonna help you. Wow. I asked him, I said, how many people you know got their record played on 106.9? He stared at me. Because I'm the only one. And they didn't want to play me. Wow. And it didn't play you as many times as the other places did. 97, well, K-1 on 4 showed you mad love. K-1, I said mad love. I can remember literally me personally riding in the car and flipping and hearing my song on both stations at the same time. Wow. That's love. But it was a hot song. I mean, and I'm appreciative. But we talked about East Texas, we're not talking about Dallas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially since you're from there, you think that they would do more love. You would think, like when the DJs had to go to East Texas, they'd have made a mix for it. They'd have had some type of blend. Nothing. Never nothing. I think I did two shows in Tyler. Wow. Did you ever do any shows at 43? I know D'Roll did at, it was called. Yeah, I did one. I did one. Okay, cool. He was just on here the other week. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I did one. But you know, like you would think like, well, okay, well, I'll say this. Like for D'Roll, when everything happened for him, you know, in Dallas, you know, it was, and I'll say, you know, with the whole album sale thing, you know, that shit. That might've been difficult because it was a, it was a trend. He blew up in the transition time to where people were still trying to figure out streaming and streaming didn't really exist. It was more so iTunes and people just buying shit off iTunes. But people were still in shit back then, really still getting music for free. You know what I mean? Figuring that out. So people weren't really buying. Okay. And he still went platinum in the air where people weren't buying shit. Wow. So you have to really look at that. You know what I mean? And he went real platinum, not like the fake platinum, you know what I'm saying? Like the streaming and all that. He went real like radio play, you know what I'm saying? Real shit. So when you take a situation like that, whenever he did a show in Dallas or anything and he got booked, he got the respect. Yeah. But, you know, it is what it is. Like even now he can go to the radio station and get an interview and they'll play his new set. Cause that's his city. You know what I'm saying? Dallas is his city. You know what I mean? He's from here. You know what I mean? And like, he was born right, I mean, you know, he's from Lancashire but he's from Dallas. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, he good. So it's no different for me than me being from Atlanta. I'm still from East Texas. Correct. So it shouldn't matter that I'm from Atlanta. I'm not from Tallah. That you're not playing my record or you won't. Like I ain't never even did an interview with 1069. Never. Damn. That's not love. 1069. Y'all know the boy was a legend from down there. I'm recognizing him. I ain't gonna have him in there talking around about me because I know he telling, he telling, it's from his heart. No, I'm just saying like, but we're talking about East Texas artists. Yeah, cause I cut for the fact that I keep telling everybody East Texas got some nice artists. But you're never here. You just told me why. That's the reason why you're never here. Yeah. Like you're never like, you asked Sergeant, why is Sergeant taking Smooty to Houston to do a fucking classroom concert? Instead of doing a classroom concert in Tallah. Cause they don't got classroom concerts for artists in Tallah. So it's like, they're not, they don't support. They do the whole pretend thing. Pretend thing to get you to draw in to keep people listening, but. But again, like I said, listening to you. And then like you gotta understand there's nobody that's ever done it. It's, you know, besides me from Atlanta. So, you know what I mean? For they don't have a Texas. So they don't have to, you know what I mean? They don't have, they don't have to. It ain't like they got an example. Like, ah, shit, man. This nigga did it. Why you want to support me, didn't they? They won't do it. They got like, they won't give or it's probably somebody in Tallah right now. Extremely talented enough to be C. Copy and here's like six million, seven million views on YouTube. I wonder how many as Kim, I wonder how many you can text him right now. How many times have they played your record on 106.9? Text him and ask him. Damn sure gonna do it. Ask him that. And here probably a few times. Six million views. Yeah. You talking to me right now by six million views, he gon' talk to you by two or three times. Wow. Do you know who C.C.P. is? I don't, but she is. You got a song called Tampa. I know it's Struggle. She is, she is. What's the name of that song, 106.9? 106.9, 102, 7 to Blade. You asked how many times they played your record. That six million record that you got six million folks then took their time to look at. Cause Homegirl just got a million. So if you got six million, that mean people fucking with you. And he even interviewed on, what's that thing? Genius. Genius the other day. You ever heard of that? Yeah. Oh, okay. See, look at him. He doing big shit and in his own city, he can't even get on the radio. Great guy. And he can go get genius. Now genius now, they got big bread. But he can't get, he can't get the blaze to fuck with him. To get him, he can't even get a mix show. You know who do the mix show? So as the person that does the mix show, why don't they don't play local music in their mix show? Cause you know, I know you can't put it in rotation or whatever. So why are you can't play on the mix show? How important do you think the radio is still? And he says it's very fucking important. Because you know, in society everything is on Apple's Spotify and all of that. Everybody's listening on to those now. The thing is about East Texas though, is everybody go to work, everybody got a job. So everybody got a car, everybody in the car. And sometimes people listen to the phone, but majority of people still listen to the radio, like a large majority. And so if you're on the radio, you are considered what you are. You know what I mean? Like shit, you're a rapper. You know what I mean? You're not this nigga that's doing door dash every day to get some money, you know what I'm saying? To pay for his studio time and shit like that. You are a rapper because the rate, it would make more sense if a motherfucker was working at a Coupitile, Long-Star, Steel or some shit and he was using that money to pay for his radio spins. That would make all the sense in the world. But a motherfucker can't even go get a good job at international paper or some shit like that and try to even make that type of investment because they wouldn't take the money. It's a waste of money. That boy said Long-Star, Steel. Do you have kids? Four. Four. What's all this? My granny worked up and that's why I said that. What's the oldest? How old is she? She got laid off. She got laid off a couple times. And my five year old is a rapper. The five year old rapper? Five year old. Wait a minute, let's go back, man. She's a rapper. She's a rapper, yep. Are you training her? I am not. One day me and Mike and I was in the car and I was just playing some beats and she was like, daddy, these show beats? Oh! I was like, yeah. So I can just rap to you? She's like, okay. And she just sat back there. And it's the first time you heard her rap. And she rapped from Irving to Mithlonia. Wow. Freestyle from Irving to Mithlonia. I don't know what she was saying, but she was on beat. Her cadence was on good. I was just like, oh, you know. Yeah, yeah. You never know. That was a proud moment. Not a proud moment, just a like a- No, that was a proud moment. I'm not gonna let you pass by that show, baby girl. It's like a, it's a real kind of, you know what I mean? It's like, you know what I mean? Cause I don't, she ain't never seen me perform or never seen me like rap or anything like that. Oh, but she know her daddy rap. It's in the jeans. Yeah, no, right? She know her daddy rap, man. Stop playing. She know her father raps. There ain't no way she don't know it. Yeah, but you know, she puts on concerts for me. No, because when I think about kids, cause like my daughter or daughter, she's 15 years old. And when she jump in the car to go anywhere, first thing she does, she go on her Spotify or her playlist or her this, she does not listen to the radio at all. And a lot of these younger kids, when they jump in their cars and they go to their places, they're not listening to radio. The new generation. I mean, she has her own car? Yes. Okay, now newer generation, but you have to think there's still a population from- The older generation will listen to- And then you gotta understand the one thing in East Texas that really sucks is service. Because the phones will always be dropping out and different because you're driving through the country. So when you're driving through that country and the service is out, all you have is the radio. Is the radio. You know what I mean? And so- And some areas, the radio sucks too. And you have to listen to 1069 or 1035. You have to. You know what I mean? It goes all the way down to Louisiana. And then from that point, you're listening to popular fucking top 40 basically. You know what I mean? But I mean, you still, I think because of the internet and the way YouTube and stuff is doing, if a person, you can't control it, that's why Tampa doing 6 million views was 7 million. Okay, but you gotta understand though, if he was getting played on 1069 on the blaze- Yeah, it would even be more strong. 40, 50 times, I wouldn't know who he was. Yeah. Because I would have heard his song when I was driving back and forth. Back and forth through home, yeah. Cause I listened to the radio just cause I'm, you know, just wanna hear it just- Just curious to know what they're supporting. Just started supporting. I ain't, I've never heard his song. Wow. It's called Tampa. And I drive back and forth from E6 all the time. Wow. That's crazy. I'm 20 and I'm 30. That's crazy. And I have never heard his song. That is the radio station's fault. Yeah, they made it. That's not my fault. That's not his fault. That ain't nobody else's fault, but the people at 1069 on the blaze. Wow. Wow, Boney. Man, they're literally not supporting it. And Boney, like I said, that's a hard one. He could take 10,000 to them right now and they still wouldn't play his shit. Wow. That's crazy, ain't it? You could take the 10. You could take the 10. All right, your money right now, you could take 10 to them, be like, man, I believe in this record. I just wanna, what we gotta do. They gonna take one 10? They gonna blaze, blaze, blaze. They gonna take my money though. They gonna take the money and they gonna blaze, blaze, blaze. No, it's gonna be big problem. Okay, nigga, they been dodging niggas for years. Who are you to dodge? You think they're not dodging niggas? They gonna take your money and they not do it. No, I don't play it. Man, they not, man. I need something in writing. It's 20, man, it's Payola's, you know, ain't no writing. This is understood, you know what I'm saying? This is old game. This is game that's been going on before hip hop existed, before shit, you know, a lot of shit existed. This is the game. You know what I mean? So, you know, there's nothing you can do about the game. The game is- No respect. You can't, you know what I'm saying? You cannot reinvent the wheel. You know what I mean? You can only put rims on it. You know what I mean? So we're not talking, we're not trying to reinvent the wheel. We just talking about artists that are willing to make the investment in their career, being able to take their careers in their own hands without having to deal with a middle man, a middle man, a middle man just to be able to do some shit. Wow. That's what makes Spotify and United Masters and all these different things so unique because they give artists the opportunity to not need a motherfucker. Yeah. Like, if I wouldn't have had a manager or the manager I had or thought that I needed a manager, if I would have just tried to use my wits and just went on my decisions and what I thought, I would probably be a lot further along than I am. But because I thought, I gotta listen to this manager. And then he was a fucking idiot. Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes, mistakes, mistakes. Yeah. But you won't allow, that's part of that doing everything right because you won't allow yourself to run into a fire because you say, that's fire. I'm not gonna run into a fire. But if the general consensus says, some book says or some white man or some shit say that, okay, you have to go through the fire in order to get to the other side. Then, and there's a motherfucker that says, he's a professional, get a motherfucker through fire. A motherfucker say, well, I'm just gonna get prepared, just go through this fire. But in your mind sensibly, you know, going through fire makes no fucking sense at all. Right. Why would I go through this fire? But you didn't allow the system to tell you that you have to go through fire. But what United Masters and Spotify has told you is that you don't have to go through the fire. You literally don't. It's fucking stupid. It's really stupid. Yeah, I think so. Like, and I love this little kid. I don't got nothing against him. But it's free to put your shit out through United Masters. Why would you not? Why would you pay $30 and it's free? You can literally play $30 for like internet ads. You know what I'm saying? Like Facebook ads, Google ads, shit like that. You put that $30 on there, it stretched a lot farther. Then paying $30 for DistroKid, use United Masters. It's free. That's game. But I couldn't figure out, because I was trying to do it independently. Like in 2013, when I first graduated, I was like, fucking, I don't want nobody to do that. I had to deal with so many bitch niggas just to get songs out, you know what I'm saying? Just to get my out mouth and then bitch niggas, just middlemen, bitch ass niggas, just in the way, just trying to find a way to get a piece of the cut of what you're trying to get to. You ain't even got to the money yet. It's just bitch niggas in the way, trying to get a little and pretending. Because they really can't do nothing. They just happen to have a relationship with motherfucker with some money or motherfucker that know what they're doing or kind of know what they're doing or willing to put the music out. And now you don't have to do it. And that's why people have tried to make the radio obsolete, but you can't make the radio obsolete because that's what music and the radio is like peanut butter and jelly, you know what I mean? Like you can eat, I love personally love jelly sandwiches, but you know, the consensus is peanut butter and jelly. You can, sometimes you can try to go jelly, sometimes you can just go peanut butter, but it works better together. So, you know, if you've got great songs and artists willing to invest in themselves and you've got a radio station that has a large artist and willing to, you know, help an artist get to the next level, it works perfectly. Atlanta, Georgia, I tell you a story, a story that I heard from a city about Hot 107. Okay, everybody knows the big riff about Pastor Troy and Master P and nobody knows why, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, Master P was trying to overcharge Hot 107 for the birthday bash, you know what I'm saying? He didn't want to pay, he was overcharging P, P didn't want to, you know, a whole bunch of shit. So what the PD did was said, fuck it, I'm gonna start pushing local artists. I mean, one of the local artists he puts past the Troy and Pastor Troy did what? He saved birthday bash. After that, Hot 107 began to push local artists from that point, from that point on, you know, because at that point it was just outcast, basically. Goodbye, bye outcast, you know. But after that, you get Chris Love Lover, you know what I'm saying? You get even, you can remember Archie, the live, live, live, live, like, you can remember all these Atlanta-ass songs that came out during this time, during the No Lemonary, 2000, 2001, you know what I'm saying? All of these songs because at Hot 107 he said, I'm gonna get behind these local artists, fuck it. You don't wanna come perform on my birthday bash. I make motherfuckers so big that I can be on my own birthday bash. Now, Atlanta doesn't even need outside artists for their birthday bash. That's what I would say, you just said what caused the effect that we see really pretty much in Atlanta. I mean, honestly, you think about the 90s, you think about, like, shit, wouldn't nobody like Atlanta like that? Like, you see, outcast, like, it was, that was it. Outcast. Everything else was TLC and shit, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You know, it wasn't no rapping, you know what I mean? Yeah. And Tricky had did the one, the Soleil record and then the JT Money record, the 456 and then the ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, you know what I'm saying, to who that? And he was a quote, unquote, R&B producer at the time when he had did that. So you look at that, you look at those situations, the PD built that up. So it shows you the power that radio has. The radio can make an artist superstar. Yeah. Like, imagine if Tyler had whatever, big car show, big birthday, whatever radio show, right? And they played, what's his name? I don't know. C.C.O.P. C.C.O.P. If they played his shit from January to July, they been playing this shit on the radio 40, 50 times a day from January to July. And then now he's the headliner at the birthday, or at the, you know, at the radio show. The shit's way bigger. Yeah. Because everybody in the area been hearing this shit from January to July. Then he on Genius, then he got six million views, all his extra work that he busting his ass to put in makes sense. Yeah, yeah. But now he got six million views and all this shit, nigga trying to figure out why the fuck, what the fuck? Why he ain't on the radio? That's what nigga's gonna ask him, why he ain't on the radio? You really right. He working his ass off, busting his ass every day, getting, putting everything he got into it and he to hear a nigga ask him why he ain't on the radio. And then he gotta go to these niggas and be like, why you won't play my shit, nigga? Boy, I show came where he didn't hit me back. We probably, it's getting late. You should text his manager. I did, I text both of them. She ain't watch. But I'm definitely gonna get that answer, man. Thank you so much for that, boy. That's good stuff. Cause I deal with these. I'll talk to him, I'll talk to him. No, man, no, no. She's like, that pisses me off. No, no, no. It's because you don't watch it and you really put a lot into it. I could see if you didn't know what you was talking about cause you didn't know, cause you hadn't experienced it. But you talking about something you literally experienced. Like I have a issue, a problem. I studied geography in different places and like I said, human behavior and how people act, you know what I mean? And how people respond to these things. That's all it is. You know what I'm saying? The way that people are in East Texas for some reason, it's still kind of a plantation mentality. Oh, I know. You know what I mean? Like even when I go down there, my education means nothing. It's about who I know and what I can do. Like what I know means absolutely fucking nothing. I can be in the room and be the smartest motherfucking person in the room. And people will ask this white man a question first. Of course. Whatever, you know what I mean? Fuck it. But I could write a book about that. When it gets to the point to where you see other black people that get in position to power to start acting like that and pose to, you know, trying to bring other people up. They've been not bringing niggas up for years. Like I can at least attest for 10 years, they have not broken one East Texas artist in 10 years. Just me. You know what I'm saying? From 2009 to now or whatever, never broke artists. Never broke artists. Never. Wow. Never. Never. Never. Never. Never. Never broke one East Texas artist. I gotta call you, man. But he been there 10 years. I know. Never. Broke one East Texas artist, 10 years, never. You ain't heard nothing from nobody in 10 years, you like? East Texas, man. Never. It's real. Never. I heard, I heard Crook for Life when I was fucking what? I think eight or nine. Like I came out here, go to Six Flags, listen to the right. They were playing Crook for Life like a fuck. Shout out to Pukin Luchi. They were just here. Diabolical. When diabolical, I remember when diabolical came out. They were playing diabolical like a. Never. This was Skip Cheetham. Oh yeah, yeah. Shout out Skip Cheetham. This is Skip Cheetham. I'm hearing it in 97, nine now. This is Skip Cheetham. Wow. He was playing, he playing Crook for Life and diabolical like, knock up. Come on now East Texas, we gotta do better. Radio stations y'all stand up. If you can get Skip Cheetham on your show, ask him how many local artists from Dallas he broke. He couldn't even tell you. He couldn't even get you a, he'd be here all fucking three blind feet. What about, what about. He'd be like, why you asking me questions like, I ain't got that much time. So you saying the one, no, no, Streetport. He'll start talking to you about the fucking, Streetport. Did they play your music? Yes. That's what I thought. Jabba called me. You know what I'm saying? Like on some, when he found out I was from Atlanta, he called me, you know what I'm saying? Because that's what Jabba do. Cause Jabba OG, Jabba had an OG talk with me. You know what I'm saying? I want some whole other shit. But Jabba played it like 40, 50 times. That's what's up. Then made me come before him. Yeah, yeah, that's love. But that's what Jabba, like even what they, you look at what, even what they did for Chris. Yeah. Hey baby, that was 97, that was 99.7. They played, they played that shit. Hey baby, until the world got it. Yeah, yeah. I get it, man. I get it. They even did it in Streetport. The radio got behind an artist and see what happened. You just saying these boys in the local area. They did it in Streetport. How far from Streetport from us? Hour, 30 minutes. 30 minutes. Hour. And in Streetport, Hurricane Chris, they broke him all off. Hey baby. Wow. Hey baby. I remember. A song about a DJ. Real talk, man. Y'all see bone, man. Y'all hear bone. Y'all got the legend up in here. I'm calling that nigga a legend now. All I'm saying is in the 10 years that I've been a professional rapper, not since I was seven. Since I've been a professional, I got signed to Def Jam in 2009. Since 2009, when I got signed, I've never seen 106, 9 Breaker artists from East Texas. Y'all listen, man. The brother speaking from the heart, he from East Texas. I call him a legend because he the only one that I know that sold the amount of records that he sold during the time that he was there, during the time that his run was. And hey man, radio stations, hey man, the man got something to say. I'm gonna be calling y'all. You know I'm gonna call you. Well, you can call, you can go get, like I said, you can get luscious ice, you can get juice, you can get cut deep, you can get out with whoever else, with chocolate, you can go get all of them. You can have them up here all at one time. And it'll be the quietest fucking conversation you ever had in your life. You can get them drunk and they won't say shit. They'll be sitting and looking at each other drunk. Wow. Won't say nothing about why they don't feel, like why they have not broken East Texas. You gonna tell me ain't no song's good enough. You ain't found one person with a song good enough to break in 10 years. Wow. Man. I'm just saying, do you believe that? Is that believable? No, no, no. I know, but I didn't listen to the music. I don't know if I'm gonna tell you that you need to run through fire. Because that's what you gotta do first. Tampa is a commercialized song. And it should be. It has six million views, I believe it. Yeah, no, no. More than that now. If I worked for one on six nine, I would have already played it. Yeah. If I worked there. But if you asked all of the DJs, one on six nine, they'd tell y'all, let's start talking about some shit that ain't got nothing to do with good music and people liking it. Wow. That's crazy, but I know, I know. And I do business. I do good business. I know business. So if we talking business, then what's the price? Let me look at this song. I won't see how many views it's up to now. You know what I'm curious. That's all I'm saying. If we talking business, what's the price? Because if that's what it is, then that's what it is. But, you know, like I said. Yeah. And I ain't got nothing personal. 7.2. 7.2 is. 7.2 million views. He can't get one spin on the radio. We listen to one on six nine right now till we go to sleep. We won't hit that bitch. Man, I'm gonna shut it down, man. Thank you so much for coming on this show, man. I appreciate y'all, man. Hey, man, if you got, once you get everything situated to bring them new music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you. You got to come back finished. I'm just getting everything else finished. Yeah, I'm gonna interview you. We're gonna talk about the music, man, because I sure don't want you to, I want you on my side. I definitely want the positivity. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, like, you know. But I appreciate, I understand because it's passion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely. But I know the struggle. You know what I'm saying? I literally know the struggle. You know what I mean? Like I stood in the club from nine till two and then had to go to the after hours and stay in the after hours from three to five just to play one song for three minutes. Like, I've done it. You know what I mean? Like, like. That's work. You know what I'm saying? I real life done it. So, you know, I understand the struggle that they go through going, you know what I'm saying? Sitting under these niggas that they, you know, at the club and, you know, buying them drinks and all of that shit, sucking they dick and shit just to get nothing. You know what I mean? You know, like. And that's why nigga want, he rather pay, nigga rather do them that shit. Good shit to fuck on it. It's hard to deal with these niggas. Fuck man. Save man. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, man. And we out.