 Hey folks welcome to the podcast so we're doing a special series of podcasts which I'm recording over Google Hangouts so we're doing audio and video because for some unknown reason people don't want to come see me face to face right now but there's always opportunity and the cool thing is I'm able to now podcast with people from all over the world so we're going to get an amazing eclectic mix of people from from different industries different perspectives to share their story and tell us you know their thoughts and feelings on what's going on right now and all of that cool stuff hope you enjoy it please subscribe in all the usual places and enjoy okay it's awesome in my life welcome to the podcast I've got hi Ian how you doing yeah good thank you very good and we've got good and we've got Ali again and both from Neutrotank so thanks coming on last time was face-to-face and now we're doing we're like video different parts of the country it's pretty cool stuff once it works yeah exactly what have you what have you been up to since we last spoke yeah so we spoke to you around December time quite a lot of things have actually happened it's been really exciting for everyone at Neutrotank so we've had the launch of our fantastic new website which we've been working very hard on and it's got an amazing set of functions which Ian can tell you a bit more about because he's the technological one and he poured so much of his time in his final year of medicine into this website working with the developers and yeah he's now Dr Broadley's to take it away nice do you graduated like virtually yes yeah it was quite a surreal experience really surreal how did it work how did it work the night before we got an email from the lead to say oh by the way if you want to create your own graduation attire here's some links to some youtube videos so we graduated in the afternoon two weeks ago on Friday and in the morning I just threw together what I could find I made a graduation attire one of the mortarboards and the ground out of bin bags pot shoestring and yeah we had it had on the sofa with my family and bin bags were quite a theme going through you could say everyone's zoom on zoom they were wearing different things like bin bags and it was quite it was quite nice you know everyone had your whole did you have everyone on the zoom yeah everyone was on zoom so it was on panel and the so everyone had their own little video and you could zoom across you could see everyone on the 220 medical students wow it was it was really good and I think the medical school did a great job in putting it on and organizing it and putting the effort in so I think it was it was better than just an email yeah some medical schools I think but yeah okay crazy and are you on the front line now um I've got the email through to say um starting soon yeah so um crazy since I wasn't able to come on the last podcast with you and Ali sadly because I had my medical school finals um but yeah and so happy now that you know put the effort in and now I'm I'm past and so um I'll be working very soon congrats crazy thank you thank you you're starting in a pandemic it's probably quite good uh good training ground right just getting straight on it yeah no no messing around just get us straight in there so is it going to be like the traditional the traditional um rotations and stuff or are you just going to get straight into like the front line I think it's not a traditional rotation at all they're they're adding us to areas um in the hospital in the wards where maybe there's gap in staffing and because a lot of I think you know foundation doctors um are moving up a level because you know colleagues are needing to isolate and um they're having to spend a lot of time off work so there's um so yeah we're moving in from the bottom basically everyone's being moved up one and we're coming in so it would be um a limited capacity it won't be the full um we won't have to do everything that a normal foundation your doctor does but pretty much everything yeah crazy where you're going to be uh hospital near Brighton and I'm really happy about that because I did my first degree um in uh Sussex Uni which is next to Brighton so I know that Brighton's a cool place to be so yeah being near the sea and um yeah it's a cool city Brighton's nice and we've actually just I just got all my team a subscription to a nice coffee um called white clouds coffee and they're they're based down in Brighton to really nice I'll check them out yeah yeah they think they were supposed to open a coffee shop or two and then and then Covid hit so they've kind of like pivoted to to subscription coffee so they send us a beautiful bag of coffee every month and then it gets sent to all of my team which is quite cool but anyway it's a good part of the world so you're gonna have to move down there yeah yeah um they're supplying accommodation and all of that stuff yeah they will they will do um I'll um I'll check out what it's like and um but beggars can't be choosers so we'll do we'll we'll make what we can of it good and what have neutral tank been up to in response to Covid yeah so um we can tell you that we on our new website we've got an amazing new Covid section so um we launched the website everything went to plan and then Covid happened so we wanted to keep everyone up to date so we've got a section on our website which basically outlines everything we've been doing um so we've been working with food brands to um get uh snacks and other meals to NHS workers and um we've got them all in a whatsapp group and we're trying to collate as many uh NHS workers together so they can benefit from it and we've also been trying to unite other healthcare students so we have a huge Facebook group now that has like 1.5 five thousand members or something um called healthcare students united against Covid-19 and it shows what opportunities be it volunteering, paid work there is um for medical students to help out in their local area or around their medical school and um we also um have been commissioned to be in charge of coordinating the nutrition section on the beat Covid website which is a junior doctor led website that started at the Royal Free and so they're material for being NHS workers and there is like nutrition exercise and fitness um mindfulness because one of the doctors is a mindfulness practitioner and um sleep so we've been getting amazing articles together I um I wrote a survey around foods insecurity um grocery shopping and panic buying like we were discussing earlier yeah and people's attitudes towards that as well as um finding out how people's diets and social eating patterns have changed so um that's been circulating around NHS workers and has made a good article on the website and so all other resources are in this section such as like recipes recipes and everything like that so that's so that so that website is made it was made by who the one you're contributing to is that a unit um a student um it's a junior doctor led website it's made by um a doctor called James Groves he's a foundation year one doctor um graduated from UCL last year and he um was very big on mindfulness when he was a student and saw how much it benefited him and he wanted to help his NHS colleagues so he asked us to do the nutrition section and then he's got fitness uh people doing videos online as well like putting up a program and hit every day yeah nice so specifically Targ's here like junior doctors who are working in in hospitals and exactly um so really easy quick recipes um a lot of it focusing like of the recipes we've we've got like recipe developers that we um are acquainted with to write recipes for us as well as creating our own and it's really focusing on things that are easy to purchase like tinned vegetables frozen veggies um as well as grains and um long shelf life items chickpeas beans so yeah um nice what do they usually eat they would go down to makides I guess but they're sharp that's a shame that's a shame hey because I know you I know but I know what uber eats I think we're doing a hundred thousands I think they've run out now but they were doing a hundred thousand meals up to like 13 quid or something um prayer I mean everyone's kind of doing something aren't they like the restaurants delivery today actually pitched in and said um that they're doing a meal per person in their NHS or something crazy that's really good yeah that's really good yeah because a lot of them a lot of them on intensive care and stuff are doing like 10 hour shifts or probably more actually 12 hour shifts what they're doing for um I've spoken to a few friends who are foundation year one and two doctors they're doing three 12 hour shifts yeah so three days in a row of 12 hour shifts yeah then three days off three days in a row of 12 hour shifts three days off and that is literally how these people who are working in their NHS are functioning at the moment yeah it's crazy because you can't really have you can't have a nice fresh salad bar there right people are going to cough on it and stuff like that my wife my wife my wife's working at the uh the homitin in hackney and it's just like crap um like sandwiches and and stuff like that you know it's just really bad I mean the food's generally pretty bad in hospital anyway but it's tough and also if you've got all of if you've got all the stuff on I mean you've got to go for like a chunk of time without eating and drinking as well I know it's crazy it's crap like someone delivered some nice drinks to them um and guys like you and like doing deliveries so this is cool like a lot of people like the country are pulling together you know like companies organizations and stuff it's great you know to get to uh to get the food and stuff to where it's needed um but it's crazy times it's crazy times how have you got where are you getting your food from that you're delivering so how you doing that for our conference that we had in March we had a lot of brands uh donate items to us and sponsor us um so we had number one living kombucha who um was founded by Johnny Wilkinson um yeah okay cool big fan and yeah he has kindly agreed um to donate kombucha tins to um the NHS work as we put forward to his team which has been amazing I love a bit of kombucha yeah we started making some today did you he started making them today we're making some today with my our first batch the first batch that I made let me know about those I tried one that was way too vinegary like mine just was too acidic how'd you make it we got sent a pack and um you've got to do in a big it's like almost like brewing beer it's the same kind I obviously the same process but like you get a big glass jar and then it's um you need some tea sugar and then a fermenting liquid I can't remember what it's called um but then you just chuck in all the ingredients and let it work it takes about a week to make it the first batch and um I think it's a trial trial and error kind of thing you get better at it as you yeah yeah things cross so yours will be ready in about a week I need to make some of that yeah I'll let you know you need to get a scoby that's it that's the scoby yeah the scoby it's really interesting we put that in today it's like if you imagine it's like a jelly sachet with the bacteria culture inside the jelly sachet and then you plant that jelly sachet the scoby into the sterilized jar I remember when I made it you have to make sure everything is so sterile because you want the bacteria to only be able to feast on the sugar that you feed it then it eats the sugar and produces calm dioxide and that's what makes it fizzy but it just needs a lot of love and care so I kind of leave it up to professionals it's magic I need to do that it uses yeast from the air it uses natural yeast in the air really yeah yeah you leave it you can't leave in a cupboard because you have to leave it somewhere where um like there's an airflow because it has to use the yeast which is naturally in our air anyway to be able to um get started I thought it had to be airtight I remember doing it that might be really right or really wrong I'm really sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna give it that well I think we have to give it up on the instructions again but this sounds like bro science man it is it's a bit like making it a bit healthier we need to check it out that's crazy so your so your number one living kombucha has donated to us um we've had Kate Percy's energy bites which is a lovely energy ball brand donate to us soho sandwiches who do really nice like gourmet sandwiches um I can't even remember the others to be honest great that's really good and you're doing it just in just in London or London at the moment yeah we still need more brands to get on board because some are saturated some are having financial difficulties and obviously it isn't undertaking to donate um products for free we completely get that but we have to stick to London at the moment because we've not even tackled nearly enough hospitals yet yeah it's cool so you've so since we've spoken last you kind of um not pivoted let's say but added this extra kind of um like work essentially because you were just you were just educating medical students before right and then and then generate yeah and then so if you if you kind of expanded out a little bit now to junior doctors and yeah well on our website um if you have a look at it afterwards you'll see that we've got three uh membership schemes so we've got one for the general public which is four to five pounds one for healthcare professionals which is 35 and one for students oh wait other way around oh sorry other way around so 45 35 and then one for sorry it's later night that's right one for students which is 20 pounds a year and so we've got courses on our website um which basically are applicable to the general public but then we've got more scientific based ones which um are more health professional focus and so our main is to our main aim is to educate um healthcare professionals and the public on greater nutrition and lifestyle medicine to best of their health and obviously their patients health and so we also want them to um have a good kind of graft in their own self-care so we're working with fitness brands um to get discounted fitness membership so if you sign up to be a member on our website you'll get discounted hotpot yoga classes dabs fitness and so many other benefits so we're trying to basically be like the hub for nutrition and lifestyle medicine education as well as well being yeah are you doing any zoom online zoom yoga classes or fitness classes or something like that yeah i am my best friend's a yoga teacher so i do have classes every Tuesday and Thursday on Zoom nice it goes really well to be honest um turn my video off of course but Ian are you doing anything that or exercise wise yeah yeah i just um i had a just had a yoga session outside on um over zoom which was good um nice and i'm doing some hip classes um over zoom as well um but just in front of the house there's a little garden and you can see the sunset so we've we've got a little bit of a nice setup with um we can do yoga in the sunset so that's quite nice that's really cool yeah it's good to have little things during your day that you can look forward to and yeah it's nice to go out yeah 100% i think i'm doing i'm doing more exercise now than i was before i think that's interesting yeah well i do i should do a lot anyway i'm basically before the lockdown i was doing like four days a week three four days a week um i do cross fit which is like weightlifting gymnastics stuff and there's a crossfit gym near near me tough the part and then a little yoga sesh somewhere near work but now i'm doing every day that's like it's awesome yeah yeah yeah like the gym the gyms do online classes so i can basically do them whenever because before i've got like i'm married i've got some kids i'm working so to go to the gym like you've got to like go in the morning or go in the evening and i make time for it i love it and my wife does too but you can only do like a certain number of days otherwise you never see each other whereas now top out in the garden or even in the living room if you haven't got a garden and and just go for it it's pretty cool i loved your t-shirt challenge very impressive oh jesus yeah i'm going to try and do it tomorrow yeah don't look at it is that when you're doing a hand yeah and you have to put a t-shirt on it yeah yeah you'll definitely get to it you're like a monkey i did a hand that it's a bit embarrassing i've got more hair on my chest and i do my head but anyway it's good as every jewish guy does sorry if that wasn't appropriate for the pod no no no definitely it's funny um yeah in you need to go on it we want to see i want to see a little instagram video handstand yeah get your top on a lot a lot of things say go on a lot of them a lot of them have been going around my brother-in-law has challenged me to like the quickest 5k so i kind of have to get out and did that uh depends who you compare me to i've just done i've just done an off-road trail half marathon um actually near brighton um it's in stenning near lewis yeah yeah three years yeah stenning's great and they do um they do the stenning stinger which is a trail run they do the marathon and the half marathon but it's all like mud off-road it's pretty tough so i have done a bunch of marathons but this was just a half um so i yeah so i run a little bit i do run a little bit what day was that that was February that was probably i'm gonna get my diary up i think that was that was like um was it cold yeah it was pretty chilly it was pretty chilly it was um um i think it was end of fair i can't remember now end of fair oh no beginning of march first of march first of march just before this all went down so literally just before yeah i'll be close i'll be in that neck of the woods so i could maybe check it out next year yeah i might just do it do you run or uh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's good it's good stuff i quite like um i quite like a target you know like a like i like quite like hard stuff and say like the trail running is quite hard and you just like you switch off from everything else and you just go for it and it's really cool so i've been doing quite a lot of that um over the last like 15 years or so um but yeah it's good fun it's good fun because i graduated a long time ago and um were you at Birmingham i was a Birmingham uni yeah i did chemistry at Birmingham but i graduated in 2003 so a bit of time ago um and yeah you just like once you start working and you're like doing jobs where whether you sit or you know you've got to like really keep up with the exercise and nutrition because as you get older it gets harder to stay you'd like to get in shape if you're out of shape yeah um and like food in offices is like there's always someone's birthday it's just like cakes so it's the same in hospitals it's always coming first over there if every like institution has the same food culture honestly yeah yeah unless you're at Jamie Oliver's yeah yeah or Otolenghi i mean if you're working at Otolenghi that must be cool um in fact there's a there's a great there's a great girl um at my gym um and she's she develops the menus for Otolenghi and her instagram yeah yeah yeah oh my god what's that instagram nor i'm gonna here you go i'm actually gonna get her on the podcast if you're listening you're coming on my podcast um right Otolenghi's my number one he's my number one um and her oh yes it's it's uh it's norish so n-double-o-r-i-s-h-b-y-n-o-o-r and her food's awesome so yeah check that out but yeah so you've just got to keep up with the fitness the how like the good nutrition the fitness the sleep right like those two things um i'm sleeping a lot better um in the covid time than i am than i usually do how come um i feel like probably you haven't gone to get out of the house i think everything's like in my control let's think it's a rush around yeah let's think it's a rush around yeah i'm a bit of a rush i'm always like on the run doing something or other and i think i'm just really chilled and at peace so my sleep's quite good maybe just needed like a little bit of a like a break just to decompress a little bit reset stop all the busyness and no covid there've been parts of covid on an individual basis but overall wish it never happened yeah yeah yeah no definitely but a lot of people a lot of people you spoke about earlier like um the work from home thing like working from home has been a big thing in um a big thing that's been talked about like all over in the city and stuff i did a talk on working from home like a few days before the lockdown yeah yeah and now it's like everyone's immersed in working from home and it's really interesting you speak to some people who are like massive advocates and they're like they were like oh yeah we don't want to spend more time with my family and my kids and i'm like how's it going and they're like oh like i can't wait to go out to work the kids are a nightmare yeah so it's quite it's interesting like we've had a big submersive experience in work from home and yeah i mean work's completely going to change now but um it will be interesting you know i mean for me i'm i enjoy going to the office and i like i like your meeting it's a good thinking time i get to listen to a few podcasts and stuff like that yeah that's a thing i think for me i don't mind this time but i couldn't do it forever i quite like having structure external structures in place to allow me to plan things around it and i always find that you know the saying like i'm not going to say it well because my brain's a bit foggy but you know the saying that's like give a busy person things to do oh it's something like yeah something like that you know what i'm talking about being busy for the sake of it or something no no like as in the busy you are the more productive you are is what the saying oh i see right right um um what's the saying do you know it was something along those lines yeah anyways so i just feel that when i find external structures in place i almost do more because like you said if i'm dying to read a book or dying to um listen to a podcast i will factor it into my day when i've got walking time or a quick lunch break or whatever whereas if you've got endless time and endless choice then i think you become less productive because you've got so much decision fatigue like i could go on a run now but also go on a run in an hour and so i've read a lot of blogs and things of people saying that they are finding it way less motivating but then you hear from people who are exercising more like yourself so just depends on the individual really i think but it's interesting also depends on your scenario like there's a lot of like have you seen a lot of um there's a lot of stuff on instagram uh tiktok linkeding like you've got to use this time to learn something right yeah like a lot of the same many there's so many posts it's like learn something um or if you don't learn something you've wasted your time um which is quite interesting there's a lot of pressure because like for like for like me i'm like um i wish i had time to learn something yeah you have to still stick with your day job like i've got to work well i've got three jobs now well i had had like two jobs right i have like running a company and being a dad but now also got to be a teacher um oh yeah i forgot yeah home teaching nightmare nightmare for you well agree on to your belt yeah i didn't say i was good at science i just said i did it and that was 2003 um but um but kids don't listen to their parents let's be honest yeah you can't you can't i mean my mum's a pilates teacher i didn't do pilates for years because she was a pilates teacher like you just don't i mean trying to get a five-year-old to read when they'd rather be running around doing something else yeah um but yeah so it's tough and then obviously my wife so when most parents a lot of my friends where both parents are working at home then the general thing is is one works in the morning one works in the afternoon it's a lot of co's i speak to um they're expecting their parents to work four hours a day roughly something like that you know so you just can't do it otherwise and then for me because my wife works in hospital um then the schools will take my kids after Easter so because otherwise i can't work at all because i've got to like look after them the whole time so yeah so it's just like managing that kind of stuff it's crazy yeah so anyway back to the learning i haven't got time to learn anything like you got from podcasts you do that but you know like to learn Spanish or i wanted to learn jiu jitsu before this was shut down you could do it online but like yeah you've got to balance it take it as it comes um yeah because you're kind of like people you feel a bit of pressure you've got all this extra time you need to use it for something yeah but you know people are just a lot of people are just trying to get by you know and yeah a lot of people have got like financial or family health issues so it's just an unnecessary amount of pressure to put on individuals to say useless time wisely um there's definitely an argument for that but at the same time you know to look after yourself yeah yeah yeah good food exercise and good sleep right yeah three three cornerstones i think it's a really fun time to be experimenting with food and like fun dishes because it doesn't really matter if it i mean for me in my case in the evenings like evenings are very free and like you said we're not going anywhere to socialize or have dinner so you can make an extra a meal that takes an extra longer an extra period of time that we wouldn't necessarily be able to make on a busy weekday night yeah yeah but that's always an excuse most people can't be bothered to make food it's not even the time i know and i was listening to this really interesting podcast that Ian told me to listen to this morning um machine i didn't on the food program about delivery services and how they're skyrocketing at the moment and yeah dark kitchen okay very bizarre concept what is what is it so a dark kitchen is basically a kitchen that only works to serve um costs um businesses that do food deliveries so um it only works to basically support businesses that don't have existing restaurants with customer facing duties because what it basically does it eradicates the contact that the chef has with the kind of social side of having to um give it to the waiter and then the fights and the bickers they have with the waiters sometimes and then the waiter giving it to the um the customer so these chefs basically work in these um kind of warehouse kitchens and they're in very like reclaimed spaces yeah yeah like they're in very strange places like the one Sheila did and was in um was one that was under it was in bethna green underneath the tube station so it was very noisy and they literally work for the purpose of producing a high quality meal that can be delivered amazing focuses on the food but then is there's yeah there's bad sides to it because they're trying to make delivery services so high ends and accessible for everyone that there's the argument that some people will stop like you know having kitchen supplies and having anything in their kitchen or having a kitchen at all for that matter is that a problem well I love cooking and I think I'd love my kids to learn how to cook I think it's a really important like mankind skill because it connects your mind body and so on it's the only thing that really connects with the outside environment really I can I completely I completely agree Ali you know cooking is so so important having that skill under our belts as humans is you know something we should definitely be promoting and we did through Nutri Tank you know um getting um medical students into schools to teach about um cooking and also healthy food um and but going back to cloud kitchens um I suppose it's the argument could be said for restaurants you know people going to restaurants they're not cooking themselves um and I guess I feel like you don't go to a restaurant every single night every single meal it's some people do you know some people do it just depends on what your lifestyle is like I mean I guess I guess this is you could argue that the way maybe this is just a natural follow-on from delivery now um delivery is becoming you know it's innovating it's becoming better um I mean the food they they create the food um so that it even cooks to the perfection on on route to the customer yeah yeah that's the end yeah they're not they're not messing about no and I like if it's yeah I think it's do you know what the the ultimate thing I mean the idea you want to eat well right like that's the aim right you want to have good nutrition now I mean some people can cook and enjoy it like you guys I really like cooking too um so does my wife so all of our meals really are cooked but I mean there's a lot of people they don't have time or they don't like cooking um and if they can get great nutritious foods delivered to their doorstep then that's great oh I'm definitely not a good delivery I wouldn't get McDonald's what's that McDonald's delivery I'm saying it's if it's more accessible then it's better than yeah if it makes nutritious yeah exactly that's great but if it increases fast food and yeah diabetes and obesity not so much keen on that no no no that's not cool yeah you know not not fast food but like quality foods yeah it sounds like yeah yeah but it sounds like there's more there's more delivery companies that are delivering quality foods which is great yeah I actually got an amazing I mean this is not quality food but there's a there's a guy in my area in Islington that delivers cocktails to your doorstep no way no it's absolutely brilliant yeah yeah yeah it's great he was like doing a gin brand I'm going to try and find the photo and hold it up because we're doing a video class so basically I think he was he was selling a gin brand just to pubs in in Islington and obviously like it all kind of shut down so um he's pivoted and he does he makes these cocktails I think hopefully everyone can see that um so I got a grony so N19 is my postcode no one come stalk me please N19 and then um it's like a whisky based cocktail but the guy came like drove up and you could get four four glasses of cocktail it's amazing you're having a house party no way I'm just well I was I was actually on house party app um with my cocktails things about house parties by the way apparently they can hack you I don't know if that's legit but I mean if they want to listen into my random conversations they are welcome to it I've heard it's free to use house party I haven't got any card details in there might be rumors yeah I don't know rumors I still use it but I just thought I'd like I think it's all right Zoom's Zoom's definitely had some issues yes yeah yeah I think the American one of the American someone or other told them to sort themselves out but they've gone from they've like their user base has grown exponentially I mean they've just struggling to keep up this is Google Hangouts which is cool um I mean they're all similar yeah yeah Wi-Fi connections key yeah like it's like a basic resource it's like gas electricity you need decent internet connection 100% you do we we're actually starting our own podcast I know a member of our team's been contacting you yes yeah yeah so tell me about it what you're gonna do we've got the Google Hangout actually because we really like it so that's how we'll be doing it as well not on not on video though I don't think maybe but essentially it's a podcast showcasing what Neutrotank's done so far in the intro episode and then the other episodes will get speakers in to talk about food nutrition lifestyle medicine and other areas of health so um first up on our podcast I'm doing it on Monday um is a dietician Elaine she spoke at our conference and she sits on the medical faculty at Brighton and Sussex Medical School so she actually has an important one of two dieticians in the country who do this so it's actually amazing um yeah I'll show you our our artwork for it's pretty cool we've designed a little cover that's serious stuff no a nice nice nice not messing about it's good podcasting is great podcasting is great I mean interestingly um I think in the US the podcasting listeners have gone down since the lockdown because most people listen to a podcast on their commute that makes so much sense you can use so you listen on your commute to and from work or you listen when you don't want to speak to your partner you stick your headphones in and like stick a podcast on um so but yeah it's interesting so but I mean we'll you know we'll come out of this soon anyway and but it's a great thing to do podcasting is great um so you're gonna get a bunch of nutritionists yeah but we're also gonna open it up to mental health and we want to get a lot of innovators on the show so we were actually invited to speak at Royal Society of Medicine's innovation summit last March and we met so many incredible healthcare innovators there who were doing like the coolest things around well-being around mental health so we want to get them on the show as well because we became friendly with some of them get them on everyone wants to come on a podcast it's great fun I know it's just great fun to have a chat yes have a little chat and then with hangouts I mean you don't have to I mean I quite like the face to face like live um because you get a different slightly different um like chemistry when someone's in front of you but this I mean this is great I mean we've done a three way four five I mean you can have like um as many as you want but I mean one two to three is good and you can have a nice like a nice chat um and you don't have to be in the same room and you guys can be in different places and uh it's pretty good so I've got I'm gonna do the first five episodes I've got um the mic in the flat now and then um we're gonna order more mics for the team so different team members can host it as well and we can be in different places oh so you've gone geeky on the equipment nice sorry you've gone geeky on the equipment oh yeah I did my research did my research I'm missing my mics I've got these great road mics in the office like yeah they're cool um in fact I'm actually gonna upgrade my camera on my laptop now it's like a proper camera to get more video because I've done quite a lot of video now since the lockdown um something a little video cast series and then everything's released as podcasts as well um it's cool it's good content it's good content um but this has been the first kind of time that I've done virtual like recordings like this so it's pretty good you can get some really great people from all over the world I mean you don't have to limit it to the UK exactly yeah so it's cool awesome we're good to chat to you both next time face to face hopefully yeah for sure that'd be great once all this is over um predictions on when the lockdown's gonna end um I prefer any things like my my grandpa my grandma was 85 year old GP and he said to me on the phone today he's in isolation he's like doing phone calls with his patients and he was like to me his prediction is that in three weeks time officers will start getting youngsters back in because they can and I don't really think that will happen but that was just kind of something especially today I don't think it will happen because they'd have to go on transport they'd affect the NHS workers on the transport systems so no I don't think so I don't know I literally what time is at the moment what do you think I reckon um well I hoping because I don't really know obviously but I'm hoping um well schools need to go back first so parents and stuff can go back to work so the first thing schools need to reopen I reckon they might reopen for the summer half term so that's kind of towards the end of May um then if schools reopen then people can start going back over like a period of time right so we'll have like testing um if you've had it maybe you go back they'll probably still have so some degree of social distancing I guess um and then when you have um a vaccine then more will start and you've definitely got to get t-shirts printed I'm a survivor or pardon me I've had corona or something like that um because I don't think I don't think you can get it again afterwards correct me if I'm wrong but once you've had it I don't think you can get it again I'm not sure there were Korean Korean people being reinfected really don't tell me that don't tell me that um hold off getting the t-shirt until we're 90 percent sure yeah well I've heard different stories we'll see I'm sure we'll find that out for certain soon um but hey this is Covid-19 I mean there's been 18 other Covid's and they've all gone I just want this one to bite the dust so yeah I don't know long answer somewhere between end of May and September but the big problem is which I think it will probably be earlier is the economic impacts crazy um and it will cause a lot of deaths um unemployment you know all of that kind of stuff so very difficult decisions the government have to make I'm happy I don't have to make them I saw the New Zealand Prime Minister she's so amazing um she's taking like 20 percent um car payment car and has commissioned that all other ministers do the same in New Zealand um which was so good that's good there's also quite a few there's quite a few um big organizations their execs have taken pay cuts um you know a lot of a lot of leaders are behaving really well um you know Trump's not funding WHO I saw that I saw that I saw that he wasn't too happy with how they've managed or what did he say mismanaged um I don't know I mean I think you know I think most I mean most governments almost all of them have the interests of their people at heart I mean people are trying to do the best they can yeah ultimately so well let's hope we're back soon yeah and it all goes over could you get us some n19 cocktails when we come to your show we'll do an n19 definitely we'll do n19 cocktail we'll do a little virtual thing people can tune in we'll do it live definitely that's true cool all right have a good one see you