 I went to grad school and got a PhD in political science and when I finished that I got a job teaching at Duke which was very enjoyable but I wasn't able to convert that into a permanent position and at that point I didn't really know what to do with myself so because I couldn't figure out anything else to do I decided to enroll in law school. My second summer I worked in a big law firm and I really hated it so it became clear to me that I didn't want to go back to that firm after graduation and practice that I didn't really want to practice for a big law firm. I looked for some other legal jobs I came up empty I couldn't find anything so I didn't know what I was going to wind up doing for a living. Here I was you know 34 years old with a lot of education but not a clear career trajectory so this encouraged me to think creatively and I started thinking about what I really liked and I went back to when I had been at Duke and I thought about how even though I didn't really want to publish that I really enjoyed teaching it turned out just coincidentally that there was an opening in the humanities department so I applied I got that job and now I've been here for 14 years and I'm very happy in the position and enjoy it very much so it was really through a series of failures that felt like failures at the time and that felt very discouraging that I wound up ultimately redirecting my energies in a way that I had not thought about earlier and I wound up in a position that feels very natural for me and that I really enjoy.