 Welcome back, I'm John Furrier, you're the founder of SiliconAngle.com, SiliconAngle.tv, and we are live in San Francisco, California for the Node Summit conference. This is a conference that celebrates the rapid rise of Node.js, a development environment that is just taking the world by storm. All the top alpha developers are here, hackers are here, executives are here, entrepreneurs are here, venture capitalists are here, and this Node.js product is really becoming a framework for expanded productivity for developers, bringing out new mobile solutions to the marketplace, and SiliconAngle.com is covering with theCUBE. theCUBE is our flagship telecast where we go out to the events and talk to people and interview them and get the knowledge and share that with you, and we're here talking about what the impact is from developers building new mobile apps, web apps to market, getting funding, and all this activity around the developer marketplace that's driving massive innovation. Obviously San Francisco is where ground zero is for Node.js, and we're here broadcasting live with SiliconAngle.com. So all the coverage you want to see go to SiliconAngle.com every day, and that's where the innovation reference point is. I'm joined here for this segment with David Floyer, who's co-founder of Wikibon.org, SiliconAngle's research group that does all the deep dives on technology, goes in the weeds, talks about all the key aspects of tech. David is a guru in IO and storage and systems, so David welcome back to theCUBE and great to have you. Oh thanks, it's great to be back again. So David, we want to talk to you about what's going on here at Node.js. Obviously I want to get your perspective. You just wrote a manifesto on Wikibon.org and we wrote a blog post on it at SiliconAngle.com with all the links there, so go to SiliconAngle.com and look for that post if you're interested in the manifesto. But you really did some deep dives around the future of systems around IO and before we go into depth on the manifesto, I want to get your perspective around what's changing in the architecture of the internet and the internet applications that drive that. Obviously the systems that drive everything have storage, they have compute, they have IO network transport and now applications on the iPhone or mobile devices or the web need to leverage that environment and we're seeing that in two massive surges around cloud computing and the rise of the computer at the edge, the mobile device, the web app. So what's your take around Node.js, this Node Summit event and IO in particular? Oh, that's a great question and it's great to be here at the summit. There's a buzz, there's a huge number of young, extremely talented programmers here and they're tackling the problems of this mobile computing, they're tackling the problems of vast amounts of messages going between people from machine to machine, their mobile messages and what they're doing is providing a framework where very high speed transport of these messages, analysis of these messages, usage of these messages is going on and the speed is more important than absolute certainty of delivery of the message. So it's a new paradigm and obviously that's going to be a culture shock as it goes into the enterprise, which it will. It'll be a culture shock against people who are used to guarantee deliveries, absolute certainty, acid properties of database to be dealing with environments where guarantee is not absolute, acidity is not absolute and they will have to find new ways of solving these problems. So it's a very exciting time. So let's just talk about the applications on the web. So the web, we're all used to Facebook and chat and instant messaging, but we now have moved from this PC era to an era of mobility where you can have a cell phone, be logged on at home. So all these things are going on and massive amounts of people can connect to any different application at any different time. It puts a new kind of, new constraints on subsystems or these computing systems. So describe that a little bit and what that means and the challenges of a developer who's just writing code, JavaScript or building a game, you know, all this stuff has to take into account all this complexity. You have to abstract it out as much as possible and rely on great standards like HTML5. You can extract as much as possible out into platforms like Node.js and make it quick and easy and simple to develop these applications with less skilled people. And that's what the joy of Node.js is, is that it's so simple, so quick and easy to develop. It's a set of nodes being spun up all over the place and interfacing with each other and relying on services from other parts of the infrastructure to do the delivery to the Android or the Apple or do the delivery across on a global scale or planetary scale across the whole network. We get a lot of viewers from JustinDetTV and they're familiar with gaming and gaming has a lot of concurrency, a lot of simultaneous users, a lot of in-game complexity. They use a lot of big data to track all this stuff. So there's a lot of stuff that goes under the covers that a normal designer or programmer might not have to take advantage of, like operating systems, things like threading, all this complexity. So that's kind of new to this world and that's what this conference is about. You have been doing some real seminal work in this same area relative to big companies and we all know about Apple and Facebook have massive amounts of constraints and it has a lot to do with the storage and I.O. So let's talk about your manifesto, your research piece that you posted called the I.O. infrastructure, I.O. centric infrastructure a little bit further. What was your key findings in your research? Well, the key finding and I've been talking about it for some time is that the disk systems themselves are the constraint on so many applications. If you're going to make sure you have guaranteed delivery of data, you have to put it onto some sort of disk. That's the only way you can guarantee that you'll find it when the system goes down. So that is, that constraint of disk is that disk is just so, so slow and very, very narrow path to a huge amount of data and they have not been speeding up at all. The amount of data you can store is massive on disk. It's very cheap per gigabyte but the cost of it per I.O. has not come down at the same rate. So what's interested me is the use of flash devices and one of the things that happened very recently which was seminal was the demonstration of a billion I.O.P. system. It just took eight of these processors with 64 cards to deliver a billion I.O.Ps. That was between Fusion I.O. and HP in San Francisco just a few weeks ago. And what I did in this one is... Hold on, just back up a second. So HP and Fusion I.O. So HP servers. HP servers. And Fusion I.O. Proline 370 servers and Fusion I.O. the I.O. memory cards, memory to Duo cards. Which is SSD or flash, right? Yeah. Which is the SSD solid state and MLC cards. So an amazing amount of density of I.O. that could be generated. Now very small I.Os, 64 bytes only in size. So a very trivial in size compared with most applications but really an amazing achievement. So can we go to your slide on the manifesto and talk about some of the components around this I.O. centric architecture? Right. So if we look at the slide, you'll see that there are five layers in this I.O. centric infrastructure. So the top layer is the working flash storage layer. So what we're looking at there is what came out of this demonstration is a very, very tight connection between the processor and the flash itself. So you're doing something called atomic writes. And what that means is that instead of going through the I.O. stack, which is thousands of instructions long, you're doing a single instruction and writing it to in one pass to the flash. And that is orders of magnitude faster than the previous ways of doing it. So that very tight coupling that use of atomic write, the first demonstration of this is really a breakthrough. And that allows huge amounts of I.O. to be processed very, very quickly indeed. And that's got real ramifications which we'll come to a little bit later on how you design systems in this sort of environment. So that's the first layer. The second layer is that, if you take the third layer next, the one in the middle, that's series of shared infrastructure, shared flashes and lots of flash only or mainly flash devices which are connected to that first layer. And then between the two is an active management layer to manage the flow of data from the top to that shared layer and back up again. This is the active data that you're focusing on. And the thesis is that almost all active data will be in flash over the next decade. It'll be where active data lies. So that's the first three of those. So who's impacted by this? Obviously there's some real success stories around here. Talk about the companies that are affected by this. I mean, also we've been following the rapid success of Fusion I.O. when public, they've been on theCUBE since our first Cube gig, SolidFire. And then EMC, the big whale in storage who's actually been servicing that market of normal storage. So take us through the horses on the track here. Relatives to this. Well, you've got Fusion I.O., obviously a relatively newcomer. They came on board four years ago using PCIe cards as opposed to SSDs. You've got HP who've been a partner with Fusion I.O. on the ProLiant servers and they've embraced this technology. So those are two leading horses. And HP is trying to bring together servers and storage into a single unit, into a single component that you buy together. And that's a very exciting strategy for them. It makes a lot of sense to bring those two things together. So the systems expertise of HP is going to be very important in looking for solutions in this area. You mentioned EMC as another player in this area. They project Lightning, which is their announcement of getting into the flash and I.O. area. That's very interesting indeed because what they're looking to do is to put PCIe cards into the servers and also manage those together with the shared storage arrays in layer three on the diagram. So they have FAST, which is part of that active management of data level. They have FAST. They obviously will have caching to begin with. But the really interesting thing is when they get further down their program and start to introduce cash coherency across the servers and the layer three. That's very interesting technology that will be necessary. Let's talk about the opportunity for Fusion I.O. Solid Fire and say EMC, for example. So here at Node Summit, talk is developers on the front end flexing their muscle becoming more back end. Like we talked with Matt Rainey, who's the founder of Voxer, one of the most successful, fastest growing apps. And we chatted last night at dinner over a million, I think a million users a day or a month or whatever it was, large number, doing a lot of I.O. stuff. I asked him specifically if he's using any innovation on hardware, he said, I don't know, we just go with the whole thing. So for him, they're kind of ignorant to what goes on in the back end. That's an opportunity for EMCs of the world. So how does EMC become better for this market as the market is obviously rising the tide on the developer side? How does the traditional storage vendors and the newbies like Solid Fire and Fusion I.O. How do they service that market? It's a very, very interesting discussion and being part of that discussion obviously, the I.O. that he's talking about is audio, it's large amounts. If you lose a bit or two, it's not the end of the world. So it fits into the paradigm here at Node very well indeed. And for that particular application that may or may not be the right usage of this technology. But what is important is when you go into the enterprise, a guarantee delivery becomes much more important. There is a desire to reduce risk, the impact of risk if you lose a transaction or something of that sort. So in that case, the guarantees come from being able to write as soon as possible to a persistent medium, in this case, the flash device. And that is extremely important for enterprise type applications. So EMC, if they go into this business, they're going to use their strong relationship with VMware, being able to add technology to the VMware level, the hypervisor level, being able to improve the I.O., being able to write that I.O. and guaranteed a right security of that I.O. Those are areas which EMC can really add tremendous amount to the infrastructure. So you're saying, if I read you correctly, the Node Summit, the Node.js opportunity actually helps these guys. EMC and solid firing. And it's going to help. Yes, there is a market out there that will want to do lots and lots of I.O. And that I.O. on disk is just as slow on a Node.js system as it is anywhere else. And these technologies will come in, in my view, up and down the stack. Let's talk about HP. HP storage and networking is doing very well with an HP. Obviously, you mentioned the I.O.P.s, one billion I.O.P.s with Fusion I.O. That was a demonstration with HP servers. Obviously, HP storage has a huge acquisition last year with 3PAR, and that's large scale storage. So what does that mean for 3PAR? What does this all mean for 3PAR? Can you elaborate on the 3PAR, HP 3PAR storage component most of the I.O.? One of the announcements that HP have made is the bringing together of servers and storage in packages, delivering them together. That's a very interesting development. The other very, very interesting development in this mid-range and this management across these devices are the federated storage that 3PAR has announced. So the ability to be able to move applications in the same way as VM, but do it from array to array is very, very exciting technology to be able to, if you like, virtualize movement across those sub parts of it. So there's a lot of technology there that they can bring to bear to help in this new type of large I.O. environment. Obviously, they're going to have to make investments in the flash end as well within the array side, but they have a lot of interesting technologies to add that will be contributing to this. This category for hurricane that I called earlier, called node.js is really on a collision course with these big guys like HP and EMC because we heard from Theo Schlossschnegel who runs OmniTI, operating system guy works on large scale, big deployments, a lot of enterprise, a lot of service providers. His comment was legitimate around that a lot of these guys who are kind of getting more back end capabilities with node just aren't visible to all the problems that go on in the lower level system components. People who understand systems programming and systems design have been there before. There's more operational processes in place and it's always up and running. So these guys are going into an environment they just know nothing about really and they're kind of ignorant. I mean, they don't, they could know in theory, but in practical purposes, this is really a perfect storm for HP three par and EMC lightning if they play their cards, right? Is that correct? Absolutely, yeah, because at the end of the day you need operational systems that stay up and keep up and that needs solid processes and solid quality processes, all of the normal infrastructure methods that have been done. At the same time, the Node.js people are doing things in record time and developing things and they have their massive contribution and the two together is going to be very exciting. You know, we've had Fusion I.O. on theCUBE and we've had SolidFire, great technologies but SolidFire in particular, the CEO there used to be with Rackspace. So he understands Rackspace and we just heard from Theo that Rackspace has been quietly doing a lot of Node for their deployments. So it's interesting to see how SolidFire is very well positioned for this as to keep up with the scale of provisioning and deployment of I.O. and storage. And SolidFire, they've got a very interesting angle on particularly important in this area, which is that the key cost item in Flash is writes and those are the things you've got to monitor and allocate out and cost for. So they've thought through very carefully if it costs allocation infrastructure, there's going to be allow service providers, for example, to be able to throttle or give specific amounts of I.O. And that's what people are going to be buying. It's not, there's more than enough gigabytes around the place. What they'll be buying is the I.O. capability and the rapid I.O. capability and you've got to pay for that and they don't want to give away I.O. If it's, if they're spare I.O. They just certainly don't want to give it away. Let me ask you about another company called Data Direct Networks or DDN. So I've been having conversations with John Luke Shadlane who came from HP as a senior executive now at DDN. He ran a lot of the information governance services side of HP for years, brilliant man. He's been on theCUBE. I got some great interviews with him and one-on-one with me. But fantastic technical and business leader. I've talked to their technical teams. They've come out with a very successful approach around object store where you can store all this stuff. So where do they fit into this equation? Obviously that approach seems to work here. What's your take on DDN relative to all these new trends? Well, what we didn't go through is the last two layers of the manifesto which is the archive management layer and then the base layer which is mainly disk based. I mean, disk is not going away. Disk has got a very important part to play. So what you want to do then is that within the whole process, when you gather the data at the beginning, you're going to be doing the metadata and the indices right from the get-go and be putting that into the third layer. And the advantage of that then is that when you create the archives or when you create the long-term backups, you've got all the metadata there. You've done the deduplication. You've done all the stuff to condense it down. And then at the back end, what you need is very high-speed devices, very cost-effective devices, both to store it and to distribute it across a network. So WAS is a great product that DDN have. Web object systems, that's great. Yes, web object systems. It's an object-based storage mechanism which will allow you to distribute stuff across the whole of the network. And DDN have a great set of very high-speed low-cost. So that's a cloud opportunity and multi-geography opportunity, right? Absolutely. And again, this emphasizes, if you want to get that data back from that lowest level, it emphasizes absolute top speed of getting it back, especially sequential and large objects such as video. So we've got Fusion.io, SolidFire, EMC with their project Lightning, HP3PAR obviously in that world. DDN is a candidate to benefit from these trends. What other clients are you following now that are interesting in this area that might make sense? Oh, we're following a lot of different companies. For example, one of the ones which I've always been an advocate of, their technology is clever safe. They've brought in the ability to both distribute IO archives across geographically and guarantee that they can recover if they distribute a slice, 20 different slices. They can guarantee, for example, they can recover from the loss of eight of them, enormous guarantees with far less overhead because of their use of erasure coding. Far less overhead than the traditional RAID techniques or extra copies. So they've got some very interesting technology that's going to allow the bottom end of this to be able to distribute that storage safely. And at the same time, because the metadata and the indices are all in the active data, if they're required, they can be got at very quickly indeed and recovered. So again, this type of computing where they're allowed to have the indices and the hard stuff and process the archives before they're put down to disk is going to be a great boon to them. And they're going to be working, I'm sure, very closely with a lot of archive vendors to add value in the space. So obviously a lot of funding coming into this sector and some new companies that are growing very rapidly besides the one solid fire, which we think is one of the hottest ones out there, is Verident. You've been talking to those guys, they just closed $21 million in a series C funding, very well-funded, it's a flash, it's got performance aspect of it. We're all talking about performance here. This is all IO performance, right? So are they relevant in this conversation? Oh, absolutely. They have great PCI cards. They are very, very fast indeed. What Fusion IO showed was that latency really matters. It really helps if you take milliseconds, microseconds off things. Verident have taken that even further. They've got some amazing capabilities in terms of response time. They're going to need to partner with people in this space to provide the same sort of services, particularly on the interface, close interface between the processes and the servers and the interfaces from the servers back to the mid-range. But they're a very interesting company, some great technology, and I think if they get their partnerships right, they're going to be very successful. Well, we'll put them on the list. So in summary, this node.js and quite frankly, mobile and cloud and social in general are rapidly changing and disrupting the architecture of how firms are organizing their IT infrastructure and service provider infrastructure. The benefits to the business line is driving top-line revenue and also reducing costs, which is the key to business. Obviously, the big players that take advantage of this that are positioned for success, HP with the three-par acquisition, EMC gearing up with project lightning. We expect a big announcement this month or next month coming out something new there. Recently gone public Fusion IO, upstarts like SolidFire, Verident and Cleversafe, all positioned perfectly for this massive new surge and should drive a ton of revenue and a lot of competition, and that's good for these developers and this growing market. So, great input, great manifesto, IT centric infrastructure, clearly powering the developers. We're seeing that with Joyin and all these guys powering some great solutions and they need some back-end help. And I think those systems guys will step up to the table and provide that level of expertise because we heard from Theo, code breaks and that's normal in their operations and that's okay, iterate, iterate, iterate. However, to run systems you can't be down. So I think there's going to be a really nice intersection here between the two. And there's one last thing I'd like to say is that what's going to drive this is that the applications that can be written with this type of technology are going to be completely new. They've been constrained by small amounts of IO. What you can do is consolidate those databases, you can link those databases, you can do your data warehousing at the same time as you're ingesting that data. That's going to lead to a completely new set of applications, the types of applications that we're seeing now in Node.js, for example, new applications, completely different paradigms of developing analytical applications. I think it's going to be the most exciting decade in computing that's coming up. I'm John Furrier with siliconangle.com and siliconangle.tv and I'm here with David Floyer, co-founder and chief researcher at wikibond.org, laying out his IT centric infrastructure thesis and research, ties perfectly into all the thermal trends, mega trends around Node.js and the rapid, rapid rise of this new type of developer and it's really going to intersect beautifully with the existing market, great research and this is all intersecting, it's a perfect storm for siliconangle and wikibond, Dave, because we have been covering big data with Hadoop World, we have siliconangle.com, we have DevOps angle, we've got services angle and this is right in our wheelhouse and we have the Stratoconference coming up around the corner, we're going to hear the big data angle, which again is the whole database, non-SQL and SQL, all intersecting with this real time and on-demand cloud computing storage IO. IO is the key to success, you've nailed it with your thesis and let's bring in Jeff Kelly, who's on top of the big data world at Wikibon, he's the Wikibon analyst and he's also going to be at Strata with us. Let's go remote if we can to Jeff Kelly from Boston, Massachusetts. Jeff, we've been following the conversation, I'd love to get your take on what's happening with the collision course between big data databases and cloud and IO and what's your take on that? Well, hi, John, thanks for having me on. Well, I think clearly kind of the intersection here between big data and Node.js is all around application development, big data application development. And I think that's really kind of the next step we need to see in the big data industry. We've seen the infrastructure layer mature to the point where we're seeing more and more enterprises kind of go from POC environments to production environments bringing in huge volumes of data, but the next step is now that you've got that infrastructure in place building and applying applications on top of it to kind of operationalize some of the insights you've gained from that big data to make it reusable. So I think that's really what we're talking about here is the ability to build these applications of bringing in real time data along with someone where you're more traditional structured data. It really opens up a whole new range of possibilities for the types of applications you can build. What's your take on what's happening in the database world with big data and obviously you've been covering a lot of the big storage guys as it relates to big data. We've been talking about this notion of a systems programmer that's a little bit more deeper expertise in some of the front end JavaScript guys which has been exploding with success. They're kind of coming together and marrying the two. You got EMC, HP3 PAR, SolidFire, FusionIO and Verident, Cleversafe and DDN all out there. What's your, how do you break down, how do you handicap the opportunity for the big guys to bring that expertise over to allow these guys to continue to scale as these new communities like Node and others continue to innovate at the front end of this? Well, I think certainly the big players are embracing movements like NoSQL. You've seen Oracle a couple of weeks ago releasing their big data appliance which incorporates Hadoop in the form of Cloudera's distribution along with their own NoSQL database based on the Berkeley DB. So I think the big players are in a good position right now. They're starting to understand the possibilities that these types of technologies are making possible. They're slowly, they totally don't move as fast as some of the startups and they're kind of taking a deliberate approach but we're finally starting to see some of the big players like Oracle, even SAP to a smaller degree kind of taking a different angle but also kind of embracing the notion of big data at least as they see it. So I think we're going to see more of that. I would expect in the big database NoSQL movement to see some consolidation in the next couple of years. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the new players were acquired by some of the bigger players. So I think slowly they're starting to get it and I think slowly they're going to start incorporating more of the big data NoSQL approaches into their product lines. So we heard from Theo Schloss-Nagel who's a very huge maverick in IT and infrastructure systems program as the CEO of a company. He says his job as a CEO like others is to increase revenue and lower costs. Obviously pretty obvious that you don't need to go to business school to figure that out but he's also a geek and he runs the surge conference. We were really being critical of the word DevOps and he specifically talked about developers write code and expect operations just go do it where code breaks and operations guys can't break. I mean they run systems all day long so he was kind of saying it's been come this thankful job but in reality it should be ops dev. So obviously you deal with a lot of the serious vendors out there like EMC and HP3par who have to run these large systems of different levels of SLA performance that they have to deliver. What are you hearing from those guys relative to this new emerging trends around okay I got it it needs to run be iterated be fast real time cool but it has to run. Sure well that's the million dollar question. I mean the promise of big data has been out there for a while but the whole question is can you achieve the level of performance necessary to make it stable to make it practical. So I think that they're recognizing that. We're getting to the point as I said earlier where the infrastructure layer is starting to mature to the point where it's fairly stable we can count on some few downturns few down times but they have to understand that you have to balance the need for that kind of stable performance with the need to be to innovate. So in the big data world it's kind of cutting edge there are areas that still need to mature significantly but I think the whole question is balancing those two those two different sides of the equation. Well we know you're tracking those guys with David Floyer we know that you're kicking some serious butt out there with Wikibon we appreciate it. We know that obviously we know because we're working on it together of the cube will be at Strata coming up. So do you have an update on Strata? What do you hear? I know you're talking to a lot of the vendors that would hopefully come on theCUBE and how Strata coming together from a calendar standpoint editorial what do you think Strata is going to be like this year? It's coming together great. Had a good conversation with that dumbbell last week actually from O'Reilly talking about some of the themes that we're going to be exploring there. Among them the Duke in particular is going to take a larger role. You may have heard the Duke world and it's not going to be incorporated into Strata New York which happens in the fall. So that's going to be one area that we're going to cover heavily. You know you're going to see a lot of the big MPP data warehouse vendors are going to all be there. So we're going to try to have all them on and try to help our audience kind of help them handicap those different vendors and the different options out there from that regard. And of course the application development situation is critical at this point in the big data landscape. You know kind of that as I mentioned with the plumbing so to speak kind of maturing it's time to start really building innovative applications to put that kind of data and insights into production. So we're going to see a lot of coverage of that. You know in terms of the guests where we're working hard we're going to have a great lineup just as we did at Hadoop World and at Strata last spring. You can expect you know all the major players to be on. And right now we're just scheduling and getting it all set and be a great show. Okay with Jeff Kelly, big data analyst at wikibond.org tracking the big data space and storage. Thanks for coming in teleprompting in here. Appreciate it on Skype. Say hi to Dave Vellante over there in Boston, Massachusetts. We really appreciate your insight and we'll see you at Strata in California. Great looking forward to it. Thanks John. Well David Floyer, obviously your colleague, Jeff Kelly, really sharp guy, great writer on top of the big data space which is Hadoop and now MapR and other proprietary approaches. It's really converging in with this world and for the folks out there, siliconangle.com and wikibond work together with research and publishing. Siliconangle.com is the reference point for all the real time information and all the in depth knowledge on wikibond.org like the research paper that David wrote IT centric infrastructure. Siliconangle.com is now a network. We have multiple verticals. We have launched this year services angle with support from EMC. We really appreciate EMC there. Services angle I guess is the ops dev section of our programming. More of the higher end uptime services models with EMC, the HPs and IBMs of the world, ascentures, et cetera. Devops which we launched today is much more of the software side of the approach. So what we're doing at Siliconangle and wikibond is we're really going to surround the castle in this marketplace because the disruption is real, the architecture is changing, approaches are changing, business models are changing and we're going to cover it from all the angles. Devops to services angle. So I'm pretty excited and how do you feel about that? I feel great and just going back to the conversation with Jeff and we're looking at big data now. Being able to bring in lots and lots of data for analysis and we're looking at the big data from a transactional point of view being able to manage these huge numbers of messages going between machines and people and two devices of all sorts. So we're getting a massive increase in the amount of data that's there, the amount of data to be processed. So we're having a combination of big data for transactions, big data for analytics coming together and changing the way that business is run. I just, you know, I got a degree in computer science and my operating systems background and database and operating systems and the word system software was a word that feel and a lot of people are kicking around and Steve Herrod talked a lot about because he's a total OS geek is real. People get pumped up. This is an operating system. The playground of development is emerging. New things are happening, but it's interesting. You got system software, but we got an end to end of the spectrum of software and systems coming together. So it's going to be very interesting to watch the evolution of these worlds coming together and will it be a total collision? Will it integrate well? Who drives what? Who's enabling who? Right now it seems to be, you know. You've got the collision between the hypervisors, the operating systems, the vial systems, the database systems, all of these coming together and they're going to be jockeying for their position in the chain, in the food chain and wanting to dominate as much as possible. So it's a very, very exciting area. The beautiful thing of all that, the benefit to society is better apps, more solutions, whether it's Salesforce automation down to gaming, right? So, you know, we're seeing a ton of innovation. This explosion is something that we've heard time and time again here at this conference and other cube gigs we've done from senior executives to entrepreneurs like I haven't seen this much excitement and change for decades. We've seen gone through server consolidation with virtualization, we've gone through storage consolidation with virtualization and now we're going to go through application consolidation, database consolidations, which are going to simplify the way that businesses are run, reduce the cost of running those business and allow them to do things they couldn't even dream about before. So, very exciting time. Very exciting, we're here at Node Summit Live, where Node.js is going front and center and it's creating some innovation. We heard from David Fleuer about the systems change and siliconangle.com and wikibond.org provide free open source content. You can take it, it's free. We don't charge for it. We want to empower knowledge, the cube broadcast live video. And Dave, I want to congratulate you on some really cutting edge work around this new concept of IO-centric architecture and infrastructure. It's brilliant, it spans across not just storage and enterprise, but it's spanning into the cloud world. So, we'll be watching with DevOps angle all the way through services angle. And again, our motto is cloud mobile, social and silicon angle, where computer science meets social science. We're going to continue to bring that to you. Thanks for watching. We're going to be back in five minutes with more interviews from Node Summit in San Francisco, California.