 Danil Khatib, welcome to WPC TV. You are the leading think tank in the UAE, your Lebanese. Let me ask you about extremism and sectarianism in the Middle East. Well, extremism that we see today that also Europe and the West has suffered from, the extremism that we see today is different than the extremism in the 90s, the extremism of bin Laden. Because the extremism of bin Laden was pan-Islamic. It was anti-imperialist. It was a reaction to the military, American military base. The rationale behind it was we should not let infidels, who are like non-Muslim, to be in the sacred land of the prophet. But now the extremism we see is driven by sectarianism. And the West think wrongly that the extremism now that is hurting the West is Sunni extremism. But extremism feeds on extremism. So if we look at Iraq, for example, after the early withdrawal of the troops with the Obama administration, Malki, because initially there was the invasion. Then you had insurgency. Then you had the surge. And it was stabilized. And part of the stabilization is to re-include the Sunni as in part of the political process. But the early disengagement from Iraq, Malki was used a very sectarian narrative. And he- Was that his fault, or was Iran backing him? Well, of course, Iran backing him. But this was radicalized the Sunni. And this led to the marriage of convivience between al-Qaeda and the Ba'ath. And this is what it mutated itself. Al-Qaeda mutated itself in the monster with. We see it as the proclaimed Islamic State, or Daesh. So if there was not the Shi'a extremism of Malki, we wouldn't have the Sunni extremism of Daesh. And vice versa, they feed on each other. Let me ask you, then, the really difficult question. What's the solution? I mean, Lebanon, you have, what, 18 different sects that are recognized officially. So in a sense, it's worked. And yet there was a terrible civil war for 15 years. What is the long term? The long term. The short term solution, of course, you need to have a political solution. You need to bring the people together. You need to have a military solution, of course, because you have so many non-states. The long term solution is with the civil state. And you can see this in Tunisia. Well, you see, for example, Egypt went back to military rule. You had in Syria chaos. And you had in Libya tribes killing each other. Tunisia was not able to fall into this trap because they have a civil society, and because they had the foundation for a civil state. Even the extremism, the Islam, not the extremism, I don't want to call it, the Islamist party of Fal'an Nushi and Nahda had to rebrand itself. He said, we're a civil party with an Islamic background. So the key to it is to have a civil state. Because when everyone is treated the same, and this difference, it will become part of the background. That is very much hope, sir. Daniel Khartib, thank you so much. Thank you for having me.