 No, yeah, what did I do? Why do you say the thing to me? You're you're you guys are in charge so everything's your fault All right, I'll go get Adam Okay, yeah houses Dad rag them to the computer What is daddy dev isn't even do stuff? I saw he was doing a thing. He was streaming Kirby Oh All I see all I see is him arguing on Twitter. We've left left oids. That's all I ever see of him and play Yeah, you can talk to Fringy about Kirby Because that's great game. It's what we can't because he's not here Listen, I don't know if this is in the remit of the podcast, but I've got a theory that He's a chaser, but I don't know if we can discuss that or not Kirby No, not Kirby. No Sure, thank you. We can discuss this What's it wait? What is a chaser? Okay, I might be open up in the rules box with you fellas, but we'll see. Uh, basically a chaser is um, like a guy Who um, like fetishizes and wants to fuck trans women Okay, so they spend all their time replying to them and they're like, oh god Oh, let me look at that girl. They can all this kind of shit, right? So Yeah, well have you ever seen his girlfriend? Who knows? I don't know what's going on there Some of the streams or something. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Well, you can have a girlfriend and still have that, you know Desire, right? I don't know like I guess I just see him in the replies of a lot of trans girls is all I'm saying, okay How do you know they're not chasing him? Okay, maybe they're the chaser. He's the chaser. Yeah It doesn't work like that. I don't think it doesn't. Oh, it definitely does Well Have you seen have you seen dev? It could work like that Dev is Is how they would describe it, right rags. Okay He is he is a donis He's a space donis. He's a space donis. He's a donis We have we have some artworks. It's just come in. Look at this gorgeous. Oh my god I will send it to you in a moment when I collect them for my fucking Is it a picture of a donis dev? Is it is a picture of the donis that is the dev? He's he's the don. He's the donis the don. He's the first one. I think it's I'm gonna figure out what's happening while also sending it to you. Uh, look at that Oh, that's so cool. Oh nice The dev, the donis is there. Oh, look at our chairs Look at the Jedi temple chairs Oh, they are I think rags is the most comfortable It's sized appropriately to me. Yes. I can get I can get full coverage On my little tum tum Black soul. I'm glad I've been portrayed with uh with the angel wings and the halo Generally, it's like a forked tail and devil horns I was gonna say, uh, this is the I'm claiming is me You look like you you look like um, oh you look like black mask from batwoman It's only why you're kind of kind of maybe the animated ones not the fucking batwoman one You look like moller from moller honest. I am the mollusher I need to read. Um, let's see. Jay's kindness is a trait we will not share I have gathered the great hosts. I have gathered the whole of the toxic brood Very nice. Oh, this is all dude. It's like, um, is it is it referencing resident evil? Or is maybe the trinity of bitches. No I'm at the fucking Because you remember this the the the different people from the bosses, you know, like uh Heisenberg and the the weird sludge creature dev kind of reminds me of the sludge Can I be the big teddy vampire? Oh, I You say resident evil and I think about the trinity of bitches, of course. Yeah, the trinity of bitches We shall counter We will be relentless in logic. Are you ready? True meat sounds pick up meat sounds Just doll of meat store, man He's got meat in his teeth Let's fuck them up. This this portrayal of me is being angelic and pure is It's fascinating. It's just so accurate. So I remember I was the devil on the shoulder That was that was the miss joke. I think that having me as the devil on the shoulder being like do it And then he like tins his head and looks at rags and rags. She goes. Yeah, do it Yeah, I knew it. Fucking do it Um, do it look at it. Look at it stuff like this makes you think about like the end of like the age of the rancona, right? I've talked a lot about ranconas in my content and uh, it's kind of a dying breed He don't really see it so much anymore. I like just I miss him. I love a good character I love a good. I love them. That's what I like about it When people like go nuts with the artwork and create like comic panels, it's fucking great Awesome, a lot of people are just a lot of people are just like, uh, This is just from my webcam and my microphone is going to take up my chin And I am I going to make my bed? No, oh my god, right? Okay. We've got a touch on this because it's just fucking pissing me off Okay, uh rags, bro. Listen, what the fuck? Do you make your bed every day or what? What's that about? Yes Oh caramel that is fucking bullshit. I don't believe you. No, you don't. I don't believe it You know, you know, it takes it takes like 10 seconds. I believe he makes it every day. I can believe that I I don't I'm not going to stare at an unmade bed all day, and I'm certainly not going to do it if it's my background to my job Right, that's the actual issue because yeah, yeah, maybe there's a point there if it's in frame if you're going to use it Yeah So I still don't care. I'll accept that. Yeah, I don't really care about dirty bed haver Dirty bed have self-report You dirty bed haver with a hard R. Oh, no I wonder about that. My microphone keeps fucking jumping around. I need a new one This sucks. Oh, what do you have a stand for? Yeah, the microphone arm is like Automatically going up. I don't know. I need like a weight Maybe try not to give me a coffee before frame It's it's a it's apparently my microphone arm is lost weight and therefore is is lifting on its own It's getting all horny and this is rising on its own. There it goes A lot of microphones, um They come from the factory filled with helium. Yeah Right, so there should be a plug underneath the bottom of your microphone where you could let it all out I don't need my keyboard so I can keep it further down and you guys can still hear should I put it right up to my face Should all these fucking birds are suckin up the my this is the nbr podcast with Oh So does having your microphone get in the way of your your keyboard? Well, if I put it this far down right now, it kind of is yeah Is what oh, I thought you so if where I would have it normally it'll just spring off and run away But right now if I put it down far enough that it doesn't spring off It's now in the fucking way with my left hand. Can you believe it? This operation falling to shred Gosh, my microphone. I don't use an arm for my microphone. It has a little it has a little stand kind of like my um Kind of I kind of like my little My little arts here, right where it's just sort of sitting in front of the Keyboard, I know I've seen your artwork. Is that far away from your face though? It's not very far away at all You could lick it if you really wanted to Next to your mic when you talk that is a fucking OCD setup I believe you make your bed every day now your chance part times when you uh He is a clean and proper person that is okay important important to know that this is just an artistic rendition But uh, yeah Yeah, it is it is a testament to the quality there. Yeah, but I because I have my My my digits on I they go past the microphone and I don't have to Yeah, I don't normally I would know this problem But this microphone arm is being a fuck you fuck you fuck you Yeah One that you guys have whereas I have my little dinky $20 off of amazon one. I don't I think the most expensive ones are like Ridiculous this one was I think 50 60 dollars Fish um where did it bring you and now it has the pause. I mean it's it's gone for a good well four or five years So I don't I don't That's like 10 bucks a year. No, it's that bad ringing has like a headset from 2008 from radioshack No, I have to say it happened to his one. So I need to go and ask him how we sold it. Um Fuck what what is even the plan? So we're still missing two members of this wonderful cast. Um, they What we'll do is have some talks about some stuff. We got a new person today We don't usually do introductions if people have come on before cause we're just like I fuck it, but this guy is um He's like what what where are you from era wise with that image? It's like man. You're from a while ago. Are you? For time traveling. It's pretty cool I mean listen, okay Here's the situation right when I started this channel. I was a bit cringe, okay? And I was like, oh, yeah, let's go and dunk on the charts, right? Okay, so I call myself to a logic and I use this picture. I've changed in some ways. You know, I'm a lot more racist now Um, you know, I'm a lot more. I'm transitioning to being a fascist. So that's all good. Um, but Exactly, yeah Let's go. That's why I came on, you know But but yeah, am I supposed to do an intro then? Is that what's going on now? You can do whatever you want really. I just because it's yeah because no one's gonna know the fuck you are in our audience So So Who the fuck am I? I'm chud logic. Okay, and I'm a twitch streamer and I talk about um, your twitch react streamer, aren't you? Yeah, I'm like a reaction Wait, I'm one of the good ones you might say, okay, listen, listen, I'm not gonna listen I listen. I'm not gonna stop. Don't smoke up your ass straight away. Okay. Um, you youtubers are fucking annoying. No, listen All I'm gonna say is this Go so it's chud logic on any good social media platform when you find me I do a lot of drama coverage some politics stuff like that. Do you do gaming at all? Yes, I play apex legends at a very poor level. Um whilst listening to a part of something or other I don't know some panel someone's done. Um, so yeah, something like that That's my game that I play when I I have to focus when I play apex. It's one of it's one of my serious games So it's it's not time to fuck around Fraggs, what are what's one of your casual games casual? Uh guild wars two That's a good casual game Yeah, no, I did I need more casual games to play because yeah, obviously like battle royale and stuff is a bit intense If you take it seriously Um, you can you can talk about curvy if dead dev gets back. Yeah, we can talk about curvy now. I played it It's not really the same without dev It's not it isn't You know, I'm sorry man, I just I just want to lie to you Pump to talk about curvy you guys just deflated his spirit. Yeah It's cruelty right in calm. No, no, I I didn't no, no, I haven't deflated his spirit I've just we just imagine it's you have a what's it called? Um, uh, high time preference What we're gonna do is yeah is you're gonna wait to talk about curvy So that when dev gets here. Hmm. It's like edging. There you go Dude, if they a conversation about curvy isn't interesting It's gonna be so lame. Like if they if dev's just like, yeah free coolin in free. He's like, yeah, yeah Which like Any any observations I have are gonna be coming from somebody who's only played this game I haven't played any other curvy games. Not a true curvy fan Oh my god. Yeah I never pretended to be a curvy fan I feel like you enjoyed the benefits of such a claim without making it and I am Disappointed and shocked. Wow. Wow The strength of these arguments hot shot. Jesus. This is a foreshadowing of what you got for today I play curvy on the game boy. No rebuttals And yet Um, why don't you play your curvy and suck up a good argument so that you could become one and then I don't have the abilities of curvy. I don't have those abilities You are a true fan You'd find a good argument and you'd go And then spew out good arguments is your ability suck it up. Mm-hmm. So guess get sucking No, you know, I'm good You know, I'm gonna say no to that request I know what you think that joke ever gets old to the curvy fan club where they're like No, you suck. Ha ha ha because we both are not and then they hug Well, so one of the things that sucks together, brother One of the things I learned while playing that game and I kind of knew before is that curvy's kind of got eldritch like war Like it's it's actually kind of insane Like the kind of crazy things that happen in that game like at the end of wow I don't want to say because I would recommend it if my spoiling curvy. Yeah, Jesus curvy curvy extends into the existential terror Well, it does actually it does legitimately. I'm not even I'm not even really joking Well, uh pink exterior We were supposed to be introducing chud and now we're talking about curvy. How did this happen? What's everything's going wrong the whole system? I don't really listen. I don't have much more to say. I mean unless you've got any specific questions I don't remember. I will I'll do it for you. So yeah, you've given this setup on your stream So I guess I'll do it for mine. The the holy reason that I know this fucker is Because I contacted you to be like, hey man, how you doing? I feel like your coverage with the I think it was Jane Denham's right I'd listen to it and then I think you you you'd mentioned the efab was like the the anti sjw podcast They ain't no nazis and I was like, man Kind of weird class fires that way with with everything we get up to and so, um, I think the way I had the conversation with you I was I was less invested in immediately being like you're wrong. I was more like, where does this come from? What are the references out of curiosity? And um, it's a lot of stuff most of its association Um, because I end up fucking going after movies that are often targets by other Channels that you know, like the whole Brie Larson stuff that happened with Captain Marvel I just didn't care about that really. I was more like no the film was just really badly written. I'm not upset me Um, I only had the one video and I don't think I really shout on her as a person In fact, I complimented her acting in a different movie of which I intend to force you guys to watch at some point Regardless all island. That's right. Yes. Kong skull is not a misogynist. He has a Brie Larson friend I mean a little bit You know somewhat somewhere out there. There is there is the surname misogynist And Yeah, it's gotta it's gotta be a misogynist I'm confused chud said that you that you weren't nazis and that bothers you So I was actually like really happy to see that and hear that and then I was like I don't really want to settle for anti-sjw either You can do that if you want to I'm fine with that label. Yes I've I've moved away from it now because I'm just kind of bored of talking about it You know who I don't really give a shit if Superman sucks a dick and if you do or don't care about that Whatever, it doesn't matter to me, right? Um, so cultural stuff isn't really stuff I talk about you mean a superman's gay or if the movie's bad No, superman sucks a dick if he's a homosexual Yes, it's just implied that it would be a bad movie Well, no because I'm like super the like the movie was bad. What are you saying? Have you guys talked about superman being gay or something? I'm No, no, no, no, I'm just saying that's like a cultural talking point that I'm not really that invested in right And if you not not you isn't I mean the ball you people want to talk about that whatever, right? But I don't really talk about that anymore. He has the last script on kryptonian penis, doesn't he? Oh my fucking god Jesus yes, he's got a kryptonian cock Jesus. I don't know It doesn't matter. What is what matters is is it going in a fella's mouth or woman's mouth? Yeah, that's what is it? Propagate the kryptonians though. I mean he's a duty, right duty Okay I'm trying to make a point here. Okay, so I in my coverage of that stuff I end up talking about people like I don't know doom cock and you know geeks and gamers or another right Yeah So anyway, the point is you get a perception and when you see someone with a rant so now they're talking about movies And you've maybe got a misconception of their takes you like are they just an anti-sjw, right? um But I think talking to moeller Um and also going back to my stream and saying look has anyone got any evidence of moeller saying any yikes shit And no one really been able to provide anything I mean the best they had was moeller commented on a black woman being bold So that must mean that he's racist in some way. You still said that's that is kind of a connection to racism. How does that work? Okay, okay. I was trying to be generous. Okay. Listen. I was trying to add some nuance to the conversation Okay, is that what you all I was saying all I was saying and look at the end of the day I don't know if you've seen the recent discourse, but obviously. Oh, yeah, jayda picket smith That's able noir ableism against black people. I was just wondering if you're maybe engaging in some able noir I don't know That's the thing that a lot of people try to start up ableism towards detectors. They tried to sign up the noir thing It was great It takes a detective to figure all this shit out. Who was who was the black woman that moller called bold? bold All of them all of them. It was one of those it was one of those like I mean, you know Yeah, they all look they all look very similar not because they're black because they got the same No, she's not bold, but But you'd probably want to like cut your hair or at least keep it shorter. Yeah. Well, it's hard Because you rewind to 2017 and I think that's about the time walking dead was almost dead as a cultural interest And I was just like, oh, it's my shown. She doesn't have any hair. Okay Because she has a lot of hair in the walking dead Usually has very long hair. Yeah That's the end um That was your first mistake. Well, honestly redrafting it I'd be like better not throw that in because the only good it does is show that I was just a little confused And taken aback, but that doesn't benefit the script and then it fucking gives some people the impression I might be racist somehow so it might be worthwhile. No, you're racist because you didn't like black panther Yes Mahler was on our stream a couple times chud. I'm pretty sure he said something racist What? Yeah, of course. I think you go check those all about the tapes. Let's go. Well, um And also someone else sent me another thing which was a forum that was calling you autistic because you make long videos I mean, I was like, listen Absolutely All right So, yeah, I just got more and more frustrated and I think um There's this concept of like, I don't know if you've heard of it before destiny spoke about it first thing but it's this idea of webbing and um It's the idea that you just throw an accusation at someone and if it sticks that kind of sticks to you and You know, that's how people look at you and judge you and see, you know So I think you fellas the concept being that maybe nazi's in the center of the web and an extension of that would be, you know uh association with a nazi or Has a talking point that relates in some way and then outside of the web on that one is just something less Significant and then outside and so as long as you get them into one of these the the web does the rest It puts them all the way into nazi Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's an experiment way better than I could um, but yeah That's basically what happened and I don't and also, you know, I um on like good terms of like jack sain For example, I know you fellas aren't massive fans of jack sain. I get that but like, you know I had a perception from that to which, you know, I think we in more love spoken quite a bit and You know, I've sort of conceded that that was probably not quite right But um, I know some of you fellas have got some spicy takes but we don't need to get into that now, obviously, okay um, I was going to say that the whole uh Sort of Perceptiony thing it's just it's just something we've kind of You know, we thought like I might as well ignore it There are there are reddit posts that I end up with like tens of thousands or tweets that ends up with hundreds of thousands Talking about the one genny nickel stream. We did Neckleson rather Uh, and it just they never stop and nobody ever has any clue of what actually happened in the stream Nobody's listened to any comments on it, but the fact that we made a video on a woman Was was enough. That was it um Which was really strange and uh from that point on which was around episode what like The fourth 50 something nothing. Yeah, it was relatively early. We were just like, well That's just people talking about us who don't know anything about us And then it just sucks when random people who I'm I'm not like in any way oppositional to like. Oh, yeah, they're the uh Like the incel pod Wait what just because we talk about I defended you fellas on on that some of my chat were calling you incels and I was like look they're not incels Okay, they may be severely autistic but they're definitely not incels. Okay. Yeah Get it straight people. Yes your shoulder together is voluntary Um You should have seen uh some of our coverage of the denims from previous week Uh as a bit of prep. So you got a bit of bit of knowledge And um, I was listening to it and I just I just jotted some things down as topics So we can delay a little bit a little bit longer. See if dev can get here in time. Um, so let's go Well, I was just gonna say like you're from a different sort of panel culture I would argue a panel culture I'm aware of and I've seen a lot of but eFab is just different and strange, you know So, yeah, the one of the main things you got you had trouble with listening to us was the pedantry And uh, yes, I I wonder if that's just a matter of there are things you don't want to talk about but we all do And I wonder how that'll play out for example Like we're very obsessed with video production quality because we consider our podcast not only a way for us to discuss And improve ideas on like storytelling, but also video production We're very much invested in trying to get a bunch of new people started up In in doing whatever they want to do expressing themselves in video essays and stuff because we think that the current just improved Yeah To give you an example what you call pride in our work To give you an example a lot of people we've noticed in the videos whenever they have a bell sound It's always way too loud compared to everything else. Yes the bells and the dings and the boinks And so if that happens we'll point it out talk about it figure out why it might happen because they download it from some Fucking site and then they don't edit the actual levels And we've had desk bullshit on before who's like been an editor his whole life And he's like yeah, that's one of the main things he's noticed with loads of people's videos We find that interesting. I could totally see someone else being like why the fuck are you talking about a bell move on Yeah, yeah, sure. I think I think the thing is is I'm Used to going on like a panel where there's like every time there's going to be some sort of disagreement And sometimes when there's like eight or nine people on you're trying to like machine gun points out or make your point So it kind of gets frustrating when people talk about like irrelevant stuff that you consider to be irrelevant anyway And I'm not sit. Listen. I'm sure it's all very this bell thing. I'm sure it's a great point. Okay, whatever Right Talk about the bell as much as you fucking want. Okay, but I'm just saying like yeah, you're absolutely right I think it's the culture difference from like, you know, we're from different Angles I guess strap in because you're going to get something out today But if ever you wish to leave from pure boredom, you're welcome to Listen, I'm not gonna leave. Okay. I don't have any plans. I always like to give people that option I don't need to feel awkward and sit here being like I could just leave because I'm bored this whole time. No You're locked in If we're entertained and you're bored, I feel like don't worry about it Don't worry if we're talking about Iron Man's lasers for too long. You know, I I can understand Uh, what else did you say you fuck it? Let's have a look. Oh, yeah, you you were like baffled by us talking about um Neurodivergent being this weird new thing people called each other and you felt like it was nitpicking But um, you agreed with us. I thought it was so weird. You made a point against what we were saying But it was in favor of what we were saying Like okay, listen, I I'm one of the good ones like I say, okay, so a little bit of ableism No problem. Okay, let's do it So what happens is Friggie is like, why do they say neurodivergent that I say something like, uh, because you know They this you can't call retarded people like retarded because that implies they're not normal And then Friggie's like, but Divergent is not normal. Isn't that the whole and you get like frustrated. I was just like, why are you afraid? Don't you agree? What triggered me what triggered me is I think rags is something like Because it's offensive to call someone normal and I was just like, what the fuck are you all about like I know what you're getting at but it just I don't know that that triggered me. Okay I'm assuming you would have meant offensive to call someone not normal, right? Okay, I don't know if we want to get into the fucking the roots of normal like what is normal What does that even mean? You know, that's the whole conversation Typical and usual Common generated part of the belter The point is what we consider normal is um, you know, it is ever changing And uh, I mean I would agree with that, but I mean that doesn't mean that there isn't like Yeah, I'm not I'm okay with someone saying my video is a neurodivergent Okay The basic the basic point I'm trying to make is the idea that it's like offensive to call someone normal I just took an issue with that because I was like, that's a bit of an excessive way of putting it But I guess I kind of agree that yeah, like if you you know Call someone normal people who might freak out a bit and be like, oh, what does it all believe in me? As I kind of did there I guess well To call upon I I take offense to it because I am an exceptional individual and I'm not normal Oh, yeah, I'm I'm very special to call upon. That's so weird. Is that like Simultaneously saying something is normal or saying someone is abnormal or not normal is bad But calling someone normal is not really a compliment. That's usually an insult. Yeah, like Why can't you just be your basic bitch? Yeah, exactly basic. Yeah To call upon the lefty godmother of sorts I'm pretty sure contra points made a made a thing about this at one point that words themselves They just develop over time retard has become offensive while Neurodivision is the new way of saying it But if neurodivision was used enough in an insulting tone that would become just as offensive and then we'd find a new word Um, there's no principle behind what the actual words mean It's just social sort of like stigmas to whether or not you should or shouldn't use them Um, we should start that right now. What are you divergent? God? I think I actually used it as an insult in my neurodivergent. Um, black widow video I have some characters with neurodivision Well, are you divergent like socially politically or narrowly all of them? Oh I'm one of them gosh darn jack of all the trades One of these nds over here jack of all divergent nds That's that's the one you want to you know, easy to say you fucking nd. Fuck you nd Um, so i'm curious chud How did you manage to escape the pit of shoving the microphone into your face that we came across several times? Oh, yeah, I haven't heard your Yeah, your microphone isn't peaking every other word it's going on explain it explain yourself Well, I'm actually I'm actually on a um on a bit of a scuff setup with an old microphone, but it seems to be working Um, I think it's just about um Monitoring your levels in OBS. I don't know. That's how I do it. I just looking if it's in yellow That's probably okay if it's green people probably can't hear me if it's red I need to either move away from the mic or turn down the gain or whatever You're fucking genius. You've nailed it. That is it. That's pretty much it. That's all you needed to do and so many streams Dude, that is like a basic requirement. He's not wrong that OBS does basically tell you when you're uh, You're in the safe zone yellow is basically the safe zone, which is kind of unintuitive I don't know. I I feel like if your lips aren't given that microphone to tickle every other word then you're clearly doing something I mean just oh look at me. I talked for a living and I am heard clearly Well, this is another thing that I feel like you may have thought was pathetic But I can't explain to you how fucking frustrated it is listening to dad. It's the way she uses the microphone. It is It is it is immoral And she should be punished on a cosmic level Um, because she's got like an amazing microphone too like that those ones atop of the line and she's ruining it Absolutely ruining it She might as well be talking to an xbox 360 clip on 10 dollar Headset the ones that the little ones that went over the top of your head and We've said this before like when people say like what's the first thing when starting up a video It's like, oh, make sure you get the fucking audio right, okay? Even if your visuals are garbage the audio can carry you Completely agree with that. Yeah Yeah, it's an important one I'm gonna drive you crazy because his his audio. I cannot stand ever He fucking shoves his face right in you can get through his son. He has like this like tingy quality to his microphone. I don't know what's going on Yeah The thing is though, you don't even need to spend a lot of money Like I'm on a street snowball at the moment and it's like, you know, 70 dollars American cost and it's fine. It works perfectly. Um, and it's plug and play. You don't even need to fuck around with anything So there's no excuse really for like bad audio Um, I'm not sure like they're like excuse dude. They are seconds away from not having it be bad But they just they're saying it's not doing it. I don't know. It's popular Yeah, they shove it in their face and they brush their lips against it and the gain is really or the Gain levels are super high. So whenever they talk it peaks and it gets all scratchy, you know, like, what are you doing? This is your job. You talk for a living. Okay. If if you want to talk about this this um feature Do you know who haze from infrared is? Yes Yeah, yeah, he's like a Marxist Len in his guy and um, he gets pretty angry Should we say and um, he turns his gain up to absolute fucking maximum when he's screeching into his microphone And it like fucking blasts your eardrums out if you got I I have seen the clip where he was screaming at our relevant old you dude was talking to me It's a banger. It's such a banger Um, I actually had a little average other right back I actually debated him recently about like some drama shit Basically, and he's spoken an English accent for like three hours. It was fucking insane I I don't know. Honestly, I think he's like this isn't even an ableism thing I think he is mentally ill and he used to take some time off the internet because holy shit There's a chance that him doing a British accent is implying like it's me it's rude It's bad to be British, which is ableism Something like really no, he's a Marxist Len in this so it's obviously retarded. Well, I Uh, happened to think that whenever someone does the British impersonations It's usually an American and it's always like don't don't do it. Don't do also. That's foreshadowing Fringy, you're gonna experience something pretty horrible and this is on supercut. Am I? Oh, yes I'm so sorry ahead of time And it has accents doesn't perhaps perchance it may hatheth The butth do here is a link That takes you to a wonderful little watch together And it's the watch together in which we're going to view a little video I put together Um to give everyone just a little quick previously on But you know Jay put out the video that was highly edited an hour long or so about the big problem with twitch reactors As we covered last week, I don't know that jay could have done a better job And I don't know that jay could have been any better faith. Yeah, he was that didn't work out very well And yet, yeah, we've uh, we've got a Like, you know, go ahead not to blusher make up your asses, right? I just I just think that like I don't understand how you can disagree with jay jay's been super good faith about this Very reasonable You can disagree with jay if it's actually not in your interest to take on the advice of hey Let's not actually watch people's credit. Uh, come on without transforming it if you do that then it's actually in your best interest to try and Uh, a saturday chase character as much as possible Gun for ulterior motives Gun for spike driven By association Oh devs on his way devs on the way home. He was at the dollar meat store Hey, who's playing coming undead? Oh, sorry my bad. That's me. Um, but but yeah, I think I think that one day I think that there's definitely the entitlement and um, you know And the thing is it's like movie studios or just dmca ass, right? They don't give a shit but youtubers could do that potentially. It's a bit unrealistic But also like all they're saying is hey, just just react to it. That's it, right? They're not making any massive like You know, there's not like a massive deal that you guys are making about it. It's just hey react to our stuff Yeah, actually jay went above and beyond because jay said, you know what you can watch it without transforming give me credit, please That's uh, simple as that. That's kind of yeah And yet still look at how that charitability was rewarded I'm a little annoyed about that. Well, so I was actually going to lead into that We are a little bit annoyed. That's why these this trilogy of streams happened basically to be clear I'm not annoyed with jay's kindness. That's a good Tray, I'm annoyed with how it's being treated how it's been received. Yeah Yeah, however, yeah Good faith has been rewarded with so much flak. I can't believe it. It's so nice. Um I'm trying to get you have used this before chud. Just just clarifying Yeah, I try selling me to not show the room code and obviously I was about to say We're gonna have to get us a new room because you've done that you fucking idiot. That's okay Hey What I didn't realize I don't hate you. I'm a self-taught streamer. Okay, some of this stuff. I'm a bit of a boomer, you know So, yeah, I'll give you a new link If you can chop up the uh The like your screen just chop out the top part so the url doesn't show you should be okay. I think then Okay, I'll figure it out. I won't do it again. Okay. I promise We just click the link and close your eyes Who is the guy in your profile picture with the green eyes? I imagine they're not green in reality No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's Joseph the the maestro. I think it's how you say it He was one of the first um reactionary thinkers and and his perspective was that after the french revolution He was like this fucking sucks We need to get the monarchy back because the monarchy was based to put it simply Oh, but you know, I just like the idea of he was the first kind of guy that had those kind of ideas about things You know and um playing on that a bit But like I say I started off as more of like I guess like kind of vosh clone in some ways I don't know. Um like some more early videos. I look back at now and I'm just like, oh god cringe Vosh, but I haven't heard vosh before that's uh, you haven't heard vosh His name is for his name is vosh. Everyone calls him vosh as a meme That's the bridge way to say in it If you want to get if you want to get into the deep cut memes calling by his real name Which is public information now Um, because that's what people call him if they want to kind of freak him out or something I don't know. Like I know what your name is and it's like yeah, I find vosh funny Vosh is good. Yeah I never understood that there's a lot of like if there's a streamer that people know their real name Someone's like being insulting to them. They're like, excuse me Ian or Carl and it's just How is that insulting? It's just their name I think it plays into the whole like, you know, I know I know a little bit about you, right? Yeah, but as anyone knows it, it's like, okay. Well, you see, I agree. It goes back It goes back to ancient Egypt. Okay If you knew someone's name their true name, then you had a level of power over them could cast spells It's true. If you wanted to cast a spell on someone Then or our curse you would have to know their true name So it it's taken it way back Right When he do you want to watch moon night later like afterward everything I want to do is later. However Yes, I would I would I would love to I all the things that I've done. I've done before mom The goodness gracious you all the things you've done a done before not necessarily What if I'm a time traveler? Oh, that's true. What am I supposed to do? That's true. We learned a lot about time travel. These That's right We got two choices really for sure. We could watch moon night. We could watch episode three of halo I still need to watch episode two of halo because you watched it without me You watched it without me. You did you watched it without me Right. It was horrible. I I don't even want to Well Need to be in the loop on how halo is the next thing and list of things that are now being completely Fucking ruined I think I've mentioned it on stream But there's a part in the episode when chief grabs a dude throws him against the wall and screams in this face. What am I? It was uh Imagine imagine Good old chief in halo two when he's he's there talking to cortana and he's talking about how he's gonna give the covenant back They're bomb and he's gonna jump out of the ship. Can you imagine that guy just grabbing some dude throw on him against the wall Just some random grunt on an alien spaceship. What am I? You are halo He is john halo. That's that's kind of that's how I Was rags think of halo infinite. I played it for 13 hours and I stopped. Wow. Hey, but dude season 2 coming out three maps Yay Do the campaign co-op and Four Whoa, come down me From what I understand there is no campaign co-op in this it'll be in season three, so that'll probably be in august That's insane. It was supposed to be out the start of the year, right? Some of my most fond memories of gaming growing up are playing campaign halo co-op with my friends Back in the good old days. You just have that straight away. Yeah, you had a complete halo game that had multiplayer a campaign forge And remember reach had theater and all that stuff with it and all the file share stuff and all that custom game Yeah, it did I built those features But yeah hours we spent building bases in In maps and just fighting each other Is I mean it would have helped them with the map problem if people could make maps for them But it's too late. I think I'm pretty sure more people are playing mcc than infinite now So fucking funny, but yeah, what do you want to do? That is really funny But also like damn you had a great opportunity people didn't like vanguard or battle No, sorry. I'm trying to listen. I'm trying to maximize the screen. I don't know what's going on Yes What happened? You're showing it again No, I'm not like you can't see it. I can see it right now No, you can't what you talk. Oh, shit You know what just use that one to get it right and then we'll make a third one I've put a giga child up to block it. Um, but I didn't block the actual dress bar Just just chop out the bar. That's what you don't need a giga. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'll do it. Give me a sec Professional twitch dreamer. No, I'm not like the other ones. He said It's like the sun would have had this problem. He would have gotten straight in Wait, hang on. Oh, shit. I've done the wrong thing. How do I okay? Listen, don't worry about me. I'll sort this out. You just say it. Talk about halo Can I just say I fucking I'm a massive halo fan. I'm into the law and all that shit So, uh, yeah In that case, I would not recommend it and I would because I'm into the law I'm not fucking watching the show because apparently it's dog. Shit the master chief takes his helmet off What the fuck are you thinking absolutely? My favorite part is that he takes his helmet off when someone's pointing a gun at him in an attempt to convince her not to shoot him When his armor is she can't penetrate the armor with any of the bullets because it's fucking spartan armor To be fair the battle rifle is fully automatic It isn't in the show. I think wait, isn't when we see the show Both the dmr and the battle rifle seem to be fully automatic in the show I think the dmr in that's a fun touch for the fans A toggle. Well, my favorite rags. Have you seen the uh, the plasma pistol that's made out of cardboard that they forgot to do? Yeah, the one that they didn't paint which is odd considering It's very prominent and they clearly told an actress to just hold it At the camera very yeah, that's that's that's the sort of thing you don't even catch an editing. You're just as you're doing You go, oh That showed costs a lot of money. That's that show is a big budget I'm pretty sure it has a budget in excess of the Mandalorian which uh, is insane because I don't see it translate Could still be money laundering. I don't know Oh, yeah That show's already been renewed for a second season I'm curious if we would get a third because dude the public reception is like not favorable And I don't even know that there are that many people who are watching and had a really strong premiere But nothing's on paramount plus. So like that doesn't really surprise me Hey bar rescues on paramount plus Well, isn't isn't they did a reboot of iCarly? That's on paramount plus, right because oh that'll bring him back in I mean it may well like You never know. Hi, Carly is more popular than Is she now since you like 30 something? So uh, I think she's in her 20s. Yeah Yeah, it'll be great. It'll be filled with nostalgia for for all the great episodes of iCarly that everyone watched. Well, yeah, they could do a they could do a What's it called? They they could all get like a team up you could have Amanda Bynes and Hilary Duff and oh my god That's so raven Yeah, he's saying like Yeah, then she talks about So they don't even live in the same world because they're part of different networks Multiverse the network cinematic universe the ncu Did you manage to figure it out show it looks like yes, I've done it. I've done it. Okay My I've got a scotch set up. Okay, please. I'm okay. I know what i'm doing. Okay. I'm a team team up with zack and cody, right? Yeah Don't breathe too hard. Don't knock the setup or anything. All right. Here is the the new link That is the correct link whatever link you have before or all the wrong ones now This is the new cool one. Hello dev. Good thing shut out these things so we haven't started yet Oh big buck bunny. That's way better than coming on this Yeah, what's been going on chud configure how to Protect his screen from people seeing the url I'm an idiot. I don't know what i'm doing But i'm sorry Apparently we figured it out and it's time To start it up if everyone's in also people like mola was adam mola was a sitch was adam Am I my adams keeper? I ask Am I my adams keeper? Yes Yes, yeah You all say yes for a clip, okay You're his handler I am my adams all of my adams except for the dead skin cells that are falling off me at every single second, but otherwise Yeah, you've gone When adam arrives, okay, he's got to do his hair. He's got a quaff Right when they're off matter cannot be created or destroyed except by black holes, maybe Wow So pretty big except I thought you guys I thought you guys consistently started 3 p.m daylight saving times bro Okay, you see what I did was about I don't know about like six something hours ago I said, hey, just so we're clear with time time changes. How many hours do we start in? and And it says mola added short fadotaku into the group so Like the first message he said was starting up in five hours lads and then he has a cheering pipu And then a poopy a poopy and we were I don't know man What I'm trying to say is that it's okay. You made the mistake. There's no way you could have known It yeah, it's all right. Yeah, I mean I made the mistake last week, but then I learned Okay, I grew I changed And evolved you went on listen listen listen, okay Uh, I'm since since we're already gonna be an hour late anyway regardless of me You might as well just make it straight up. No, we were here on time Well, yeah, we're at totally on time. We've had so much great discussion. Yeah, we talked about superman. Yeah gay Well, now, yes, what can finally talk about kirby? I'm so excited. Oh, yeah, you guys go ahead through. Yeah Talk about kirby with ringy I mean, I enjoy kirby the new the new game. It's pretty fun Yeah I said it was a good one This is good. This is good. That was a great conversation Here's the thing right kirby is kirby's generally good enough, but also like just a little bit bland So every kirby conversation is it's good. Yeah That's the whole thing. He's gonna disagree with you on that one Thank god Once I got close to the end of the game I started to think a bit more about how that game was designed and it was kind of interesting to me How do you mean? Well, so kirby is not like a platformer in the same way that mario is where a lot of the challenges oriented around Hey, can you clear those jumps or you know, here's here's an obstacle get around it get over it Like kirby is more There's a lot less of you need to worry about falling into bottomless pits because if you do you just respawn on a Clip whenever there is one So like I was Sort of thinking about the way that challenges were constructed in that game and something that was really cool As towards the end a lot of the challenges were based on timing um So like that have a platform that's oh, it's slowly descending into lava and if you're too if you're too Slow, you're gonna lose your opportunity to collect Any of the items that you need to get in this part of the level so hurry up, you know It's kind of a cool way of doing challenge in what is meant to be like a very easy accessible game I uh, I never felt that actually Have you been the game? yes In the last levels when the when you're in like the lava land and the platforms are descending and if you're too slow You miss out on opportunities to get collectibles or save hidden waddle these um No, I don't really feel that maybe just because i'm really good at it. Oh About whether or not it's i'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, I know I know you're memeing I've actually got an important question from my chat about kirby if that's okay. Um, okay So i'm being asked to ask you what happens if kirby inhales come Do you turn into cum or a person based on the dna of the cum? I You you probably turn into uh like a kirby cum power up So kirby is going to be like spitting hoses of cum or something It's a beautiful game beautiful game. Yeah I just agree. I think you turn to the person. Why would you turn into cum doesn't make any sense Well, because when when kirby, you know inhales fire like a fire enemy doesn't turn into the fire enemy turns into like a fire power up It's like a metaphysical concept of fire that he absorbs So maybe he turns into you know when you go to like gas stations and they have those I don't oh, this is a thing in america that maybe won't translate for everyone else So here in america are at least around these parts Well, a lot of the times when you go to gas stations and stuff just around towns and whatnot. I'll comment on the story Oh, oh, don't do not you worry. We we are approaching that Um, they have these pills Right, and they're generally they they have they have like rhinos That are their logo and stuff like and they're like super sex power pills And they're supposed to last for like two days And they make your cock really hard and they make you come like a fire hose or whatever it is And they say all these incredible things on on the boxes and whatnot And so maybe when kirby inhales cum It does whatever those pills allegedly are supposed to do to allegedly alleged. I've never had them I'm gonna say personal experience, but no, I mean I just noticed him when I check out that they're these big Mega cum cockpills that you're supposed to take him and rhinos are the They use rhinos for the logo because rhinos are very you've you know, they're in virile Yeah, they're right there when you check out. No, no, they're like right and feed it and feed a glass No, they're prominent. They're they're quite they are they are positioned to sell when I'm saying that That there's a giant rhino statue with a four-foot cock It is a I'm telling you they and these are big pills too. These are the biggest damn pills you've ever done seen And it's like dr. Mario pills. They're big fuckers And they just say that they do all these things for your your sexual prowess Practically sized, you're right, right? Is that like the size of it? That yeah, like in mario tried to ingest one it would probably kill him Oh, wait Oh, someone said someone said they use rhinos because rhino horn was supposed to be an aphrodisiac I just thought it was because rhinos are horn. Yeah stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah It looks like one of those um things you drop in water and it like turns into a dinosaur in a day This sounds like one of those those scam commercials you see at 3 a.m Excuse me. What on cable shows? I don't know if they work or not. Maybe they do I'm not I just I have not no clue. I just noticed them. I've never seen this thing I don't know if you have those in your parts of the the world if I could just have one moment Chud, what is this shit? I got four ads in a row that are 30 seconds on my phone for your stream right now Oh my fucking god. Okay, right Newsflash motherfucker. Okay. How do you think people that don't sub to me pay? They watch fucking ads Okay, four in a row that are 30 seconds long jesus Four in a row Okay, listen, I run two minutes of ads every hour, right? That is fucking nothing compared to what you get on like network tv in america and shit Okay, so that's the way we compare it. I see if people don't fucking like it. They can sub to me Okay, like I'm not saying, you know, that's you directly. I know you just gave another bit of banter But holy shit the amount of people that complain about it like motherfucker you freeloading bitch Give me some money or fuck off. Okay. I honestly it does my head in Sorry, that's an interesting perspective and I I understand it. It's very do you announce on your youtube videos mola? um One per hour. Yeah One per hour. Were you fucking mugging yourself off? They're five seconds long. Oh come on. You're fucking shit Someone go and check. Everybody's checking this. It's a different culture Mala You can you could you could go to his channel and you can yeah, I'm also I'm also okay with I know And people are also wait, what do you mean to what? You run ads this is the fucking standard you do for youtube ads. Okay, two minutes ten minutes Sorry, two minutes First of all one per hour and secondly every 15 minutes I do one per hour and I'm actually more than five people using our block if they want to go ahead And you understand like at this point. We're just happy to get ads We haven't all got fucking juicy patrons patrons like you do I never did this There's gotta be some way you're making money off of this venture off of your fucking billy And then I didn't because I made enough money Yeah, but how are you making money from youtube if you're not running ads all the time? That's what I don't understand I don't know them all the time one per hour One per hour's bullshit. What are you making for a video? I mean, I suppose some of them get a few million views, right? So that's going to be you know It'll depend on how many people see it not necessarily how many just the sheer volume of ads It's you know, you get enough people watching and then you produce content No, no, okay. You fucking youtube is to understand how it works. Okay Yeah, I'm getting pissed off, right? Yeah for me youtube The way it works now, okay is is based on how long your view times are youtube incentivize you to have longer videos We have talked about the incentivization stuff on the denim stream It's it's really not like you are incentivized on youtube to make long videos pretty consistently like regularly very frequently Spending like four or five months on a long video is not what would be generally considered Incentivized incentivized thing to do. In fact, it seems like you often get shit on both creatively and In terms of the algorithm, but it's a choice you make because that's the kind of content you want to make Okay, but you're incentivized to run multiple ads, right? So you maximize the amount of money you're making If you're abusing me now to do that, that's fine. Okay, I get that Well, I mean I well, no, you don't you can like to get it you can stop you can there's many different lines Okay, this is fucking bullshit, right? How the fuck do I pay my editor, right? If I don't have the if I don't have fucking a few thousand dollars coming through youtube I have I can't edit videos and at a fucking time I stream eight to ten hours a day. You're fucking kidding me Sorry, sorry, listen, I'm getting a bit heated. I'm not actually bad These sound like Arguments from the ones we've had from uh, no, they're not no, you're you're so fucking. Oh my god. I'm not like I'm sorry, it's literally nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with running lots of ads if I want to run lots of ads If you don't want to do that fine, you get a fucking billion views for videos Right. Well, well, so I mean obviously everybody's can make the choices as to how they want to do the content and monetize their content But I mean people are allowed to disagree on whether or not they like that or and people in different positions Okay, I can give a shit if you like it or not. There we go conversation over next next quick No, no, no, no, listen, we're principled youtubers who do this for the love of the craft I know I know for dog bites it like it gives you the options of what What ads you want to run and how many and stuff like because there's multiple different kinds of ads that you can run It's not just a Unskippable thing that plays, you know, necessarily you can have skippable ads at the beginning or the end You can have little overlays that can be clicked away. You have some options But generally I generally I'll just say just a skippable video ad at the beginning of the video and that's fine enough for me And uh, I just don't I don't want to annoy people before they get my content I'd rather incentivize them to uh become a sub instead of annoy them into it. I thought I was the fucking lefty here I'm the only capitalist in the place apparently. Do you know what I mean? What the fuck is that about? Capital you can have You can have different priorities when it comes to how you want to capitalize on your like, I mean, we have all these options This came up before people were like, oh, you guys can sale this because you have super chats Like we didn't when we started or why didn't super chat speak the same principles Well, yeah, because super chats haven't been around forever. They've been around for like four or five years I think they started up soon after youtube Yeah, they were start up soon before we actually started up efap, but um, I From my videos and streams same for rags presumably like they weren't This thing of like we'll only get rid of ads if you guys super chat like no, no We just yeah How we did it I want to I want to build up a bunch of people who want to give me money And who are encouraged to do it because they like my content I don't want to annoy them into feeling like they need to give me money So that they get the best experience from listen. Fuck the viewers. Okay That's my fault. I say that every day. I know Well, hey, there's that clip right dad of said chat doesn't know fucking anything so What do they know? Disrespect the viewers as much as possible. Okay, that's the way to do it I see that five people are in this room. We're missing somebody. Who is it? Adam I'm not waiting for Adam. I hope That'll be seven. There's six of us. There's six of us. Isn't there? No, there's five. Oh the other room. I didn't click the watch Is that what you're talking about? Choosing on your dollar meat and yeah, he runs it like a week old information. That's how he goes. He's just like, uh, hang on guys I'm coming. The um The reason that I was I was a bit late is because Naomi and I went out to have dumplings Aw, but not from the dollar meat store dollar dumplings A dollar dumpling friday. Oh wait a minute. I forgot now that dev is here Should he address the accusation? Oh my god. Go ahead. Go ahead. Some people are saying you're white Okay, listen, bro. Okay. I just commented on you know, I see you obviously we're moots on twitter. Okay always a pleasure. Are we? Yeah, yeah, we we DM'd the other day He doesn't even know What the fuck this is bullshit. I'm I'm a rational chat. Well, it's not me obviously is so But we we talked in DM's recently the other day. Did we? Yes, you fucker Who's this fucking random Brit bonga fuck this guy. Okay. Thanks very much. Jesus. What the fuck No, listen, oh, I know who you are. I just don't I don't quite remember following you on twitter But I probably did I don't take I don't I don't take twitter seriously. You see dev is so popular He just can't keep all his DM straight. There's so many people Oh god Well, I think the reality is and this gets into it, right? I often see you arguing with people And I often see you in the replies of trans women. So I was just wondering are you a chaser? Of course Okay, that's that was that I will chase trans women. I will chase cis women. I don't give a fuck. I'll chase them all We chase me. Oh, yeah, there you go. You chase long leg. Uh, it doesn't discriminate Dude, even some men. I'm okay with it any holes ago If a man's feminine looking enough i'm down with it for sure. Are you in an open relationship with your girlfriend? Uh, no, but we don't mind fucking around online like Just making jokes. I say what's the jokes? I see well, hold on She's also into trans woman too. So it's okay. Oh my god, you're gonna chase together figuratively Yeah, actually Actually Yes, we we we we will chase together. It's okay. There you go. All right, then you still didn't join the room. You fuck You're a you're a oh, right. He's too busy chasing He's on twitter and the replies some trans girls right now When you said you were getting dumplings with your girlfriend is that No, actually we we got our first car together and now we're like we can go get dumplings every day And we should probably Are you a driver or a chaser a driver? No, we we've now gotten like three dumplings now that we should probably stop getting dumplings three times That's that's too many times of getting dumplings. That's a lot of dumplings It depends on how long of a period of time. Oh, like three times in the past week Okay, you know we you get your first car and you're like I can go anywhere now And then you just start driving everywhere and like wasting a bunch of time Yes, I only mean now gone through that period Um, so anyway, you guys really stop this fucker up Mara wants to move on because he doesn't know I didn't know the joy of driving I'm sorry. I don't understand it. It's some kind of weird mechanical horse or something. I don't know Well, to be honest, I don't really care what the driving. I just care about the dumplings I Vehicles are only a means to an end a means to a dumpling means they're only a pathway to more dumplings Um, is that the only thing you've used your car for is to get dumplings Um, I'll say wait, there's other things you've used it for Uh, let's see. I think about half of our trips have been dumpling related He has two places that he goes to dumplings and the gas stations to get more dumplings Gas station dumplings No Dollameets don't gas dumplings if I if I buy more gas for this car With which I will use to buy more dumplings if only they could merge the gas station and the dumpling store The cycle is short yet. They should Okay, I don't even know if there's prep in this video. Okay for you all to understand the journey. All right This is going to be an adventure Yeah, now that we've taken an entire fucking hour, it feels right that we start Um Yeah, we're right on schedule. Yeah. Oh previously on me. So this is just a brief reminder Okay, because this will be important context with some of the things he ends up talking about I'm gonna zoom in I've been watching superhuman for a long time. This is a streamer called uh moist critical Who's also this is where the homeowners really had their best ideas. I think he the laboratory Did the same thing as a lot of people did and drop shipping din called him out too I'm just showing you What it was what jay was annoyed with right and then you'll see what happened the photos are good for a dollar. Yeah I Think it's a prime love check Thanks to recent paradox You haven't seen shit from this house yet. We're only just beginning. I'll let the whole thing ride. I've seen this And looked into it This is what it looks like when you activate a hundred percent of your brain It's like it's like kind of fine ish I think we would have been much harsher on this when we first saw it because now that I've seen the others It's like, okay, this is actually something Like he's there. Yeah, it's like I yeah, I know you're here. That's quite a low bar though, right Jesus Yeah, unfortunately I'm gonna stop there because I think you get the point Um, yeah There was a channel that I really enjoyed and I watched their video on a dilapidated building that was for sale It was a house and it was one of the most confusing house tours of all time It was this fucking labra the house of nightmares and they had a great video going through all of it And I watched it on stream I'd already seen it before I watched it on stream as well because I just wanted to show people and talk about it And like get really goofy with it and figure out what was going on with this house But I ended up just getting too lost in the video because they presented it so well And it was just such a great video and the creator saw my reaction to it and was really disappointed They didn't appreciate it and I totally understood where they're coming from because I didn't really add anything to it I didn't um, doesn't this feel alien It does it as alien is what's going on with his hair there charlie's pretty cool He is a very cool guy. He is When he when he fucks up like, you know, he's done it for a couple of times from what I've seen so that's good Yeah, I was uh, this was the kind of thing because I was getting this for some context I knew and I was like fuck. Yeah, I forgot. This is how he actually responded to jay and it was just like nice Is it that's all you need to do You're all you're all good Didn't really react to it So to them it felt like I was just re-uploading their content on my stream and I get that perspective I really do but that's never the goal It's never supposed to be piggybacking off of someone else's hard work in order to do nothing for it And make money off it going forward. See like he's that's it. It's done Yeah This is really great. This is awesome. I won't just be rolling dice hoping I can add to whatever video gets recommended on youtube night I will be maybe checking them for a little bit And then if it's something that I can add to I'll look at the rest on my own and maybe make content out of This is pretty cool. He's he's adding this to his thing now He's gonna check out the videos a little bit beforehand, which by the way most of the time That's what I do for eFap is to make sure the videos are eFapable There's someone in my chat saying react harder and it's like well, yeah, that's literally what's being asked And then it's too much to ask right like I don't understand how that is stigmatized Yeah, he himself is admitting he should be reacting harder. So what the fuck you saying that? Yeah, you have to react hard enough to transform it. Yes, so you don't need to react hard That's that's like the actual law uh twitch just seems to be in a place where that's not a I don't know why a lot of memes like that, right? Isn't that the forehead meme for like doing stuff like oh forehead for just advice that might be worth Taking so um, I mean they would say react harder forehead. Yeah, but like the problem is just weird It's just like why why is that getting treated as though it's a crazy wrong thing? Uh, it feels like the right thing Um, and yeah, j just tried to change the the rhetoric as it was coming to its end to like no no transform transform Not not about it's not even I don't even imply that you didn't because people treated as they're like Oh, I didn't laugh enough times for you. It's like Yeah, I'm getting that Yeah, yeah The thing is for me like look, I'm guilty of this. I'm guilty of being a dirty little streamer. Okay Punish me for my sins and something if you must Um, but you know, I sat there at the end of a stream fucking slobbing out, you know Fuck this one's gonna put this on I'm not really saying much, right? And it's shitty and for me Um, you know, if I'm watching a video now and I'm like, I'm not really saying anything I'll just cut it halfway through and be like if you want to watch the rest of it. There you go And I'll move on to something else, right? Because a lot of videos because people are saying well, there's nothing to add If there's nothing to add don't fucking watch out the stream and watch something else or do something else or whatever it is, right? Hell, yeah, simple as that, but you got to eat your macaroni though You got a nuggets, man To give you a little a little bit of a tease tickly little bulls there A lot of this stuff from charlie is later on reacted to by hassan Let's go I can't leave now you've pulled me in as a response to it as opposed to a real-time reaction Which has always been the majority of my content anyway I think what really helped me understand this perspective wasn't dark vipers video. It was actually jxs They made a great video recently just going over the entire react ecosystem. Just going over everything. It's definitely a peepo. Yay moment Oh Yeah Can we also say like I admit that there's criticisms, but dark vipers said that react streamers are Comparable to rapists in some way in terms of yes That's fucking insane. Like can we just say come on? He screwed up big time think about it with the optics I because he seemed as I'm not familiar with this. I don't think he was as passionate as j was But he handled it very differently. Uh, he's he's famously fucked this conversation up quite a bit because he said that um These are the react streamers the kind of people who would probably try and fuck you without your consent or some shit like that It was like, why would you? I mean And obviously issan pointed to that and said look at this this guy saying i'm like a rapist and immediately you've just lost it Right. Whereas, you know, if you make a more measured critique, you're gonna do far better Yeah, absolutely as well because you open yourself up to all the bad faith people who would be like I don't have to address the argument I can just pick the shit one and be like I ain't touching this rhetoric. It's a little fucking bullshit, man And that's Hasan does try to do that. I've um, I've mostly just cut the pots in where he's talking about j's video rather than doc vipers But yeah, he has a lot to say about doc vipers video as well as the man himself That would be for doc vipers to deal with I suppose everything from the perspective of someone that had their video reacted to By multiple people myself included it's actually the video of the bizarre house walkthrough the one that I mentioned Was a very shameful moment for me where it's a video. I really liked but didn't react hard to I'd already seen it And I just basically shared it with my community without adding anything to it And they were upset with that which I totally do get and they made a video going over that whole situation and really helped Put it in perspective for me to understand things better dark for a second I thought the poster in the background was Giza war and I was like wait, no cold cod slap I thought it was Dead Island When I when I read the left one first Oh god I've never heard of that before I've never heard of god slap. Am I crazy or was there like a bloody gear handprint thing for years? Bloody handprint was modern warfare 2 that was the symbol for the militia team in our multiplayer. Oh, okay I knew I recognized it from something you all have like a bloody gear with a skull in it That was yeah, yeah God slap is his own comic. I think oh, that's cool. Oh, I had no idea Paper more focuses on dunking In some cases That's game of fuel, right? I've never I've never had I've never had g fuel I find the whole concept hilarious. Is it like a protein shake or something? I wonder how it's an energy drink. I think it's like an energy drink. He makes an energy drink He makes yourself It makes you evolve. I think I think I'll take that Okay, it's not about gaming harder But like, you know, if you have caffeine it heightens your senses, you know or something I don't know. Maybe that's a bit it makes sense Or a rags product review of mixing g fuel with the rhino pills Oh man, I will be fucking and sucking and yeah, will it go gaming and oh man high scores all around So to speak Yeah, I've been curious about those sorts of g fuel And they have the special energy drink concoctions because anything marketed for gamers should make you raise a brow anyway um What even if it's a peripheral or something you put in your fucking body But I've always wondered if that stuff has Does anything whatsoever or if you should just go down to the come and go and Buy, you know, three rock stars for five bucks and call it a day. Oh, I suppose. Yeah You're like, why is it any better than is it really more for gamers than rock star? It's like I doubt it But hey, yeah branding you gotta do cheaper cheaper per serving You know typing code critical and you get whatever off like that's probably oh, yeah It's all like affiliate deals and shit, right like it's you know G fuel is known for going to big streams and being like, hey, she lost stuff and we'll give you money I Say what I'm posting the chat there. Have you tried this stuff the actual gamer food. What is this? It's just like nut mixes and shit. It's just like No, look at the name seeds of seeds of victory. Do they put some destruction in the shoes of chaos? Do they put caffeine in the nuts? The real name is the gun or optics glasses Injects caffeine until the gaming glasses. Why are the energy nuts? What is it? How does that work gaming glasses? Oh, well to to be fair to gaming glasses I have heard that those legitimately do work because they tint the screen because gaming glasses is Right. So what are you? Yeah, they walk around your screen then that's like a normal person Probably nothing if you just do the saturation settings on your screen. So like they're not gonna do that And at least they work for some people I followed that I used to know he used to work for twitch like eight years ago And he ended up getting a free pair of gun or optics just from his job there because I guess they were given a mode or something And it's yeah, it's literally just just blue blockers on the glasses. They're just a yellow glasses They don't do anything Because yeah, you could probably you could buy Yeah, I guess but You're still other colors of light coming through. Yeah, but the blue supposed to keep you awake and make your eyes tired Because these are they're like 50 bucks something crazy like that the fucking nuts or nut no nothing They may be Gamer nuts could be 50 bucks a bag you slap gamer on something and some people will just pay out the nose for it Uh, look at gaming chairs great example of that right gaming chairs often fucking suck. Oh, yeah Well, I see them everywhere. I assume they're good like I don't know. There's some good ones some bad ones Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah good ones bad ones many overpriced ones Yes, but some are some are just fine. Like I like the ones that I have I got them on sale, which is why I because my old office chair was Finally starting to be like, oh you're getting really old and I just happened to there was a sale And I bought a game and chair and I've been using it for years and it's working pretty good And I'm satisfied with it, but I've heard some just suck Especially when they get into super high tier You know price range and also the low tier ones maybe with the dodgy ones or something I think that the 200 to 300 price range is sort of a golden zone for where you get your money's worth And where the quality starts to get to the plateau and you don't have to go further I think I was gonna say I think that nexus tech tips or something one of those channels did a like a thing and basically Game is nexus. That's it. Yeah. And um, you can basically get a company to make a generic chair for you A bit like a chinese, you know phone or whatever and you put your branding on it, right? But it's all the same shit So, you know some of these chairs you could have different people selling with different prices But it's the same base and shit like that. So it's off to the con, you know at that level Yeah, and I watched that video too that that base is actually a terrible chair because I had one of them For like two weeks and I was like, I can't fucking sit on this. It's destroying me damn So I ended up going What I did for for for chair is I went to a a store. Yeah for four chair I got a chair No, no this action before I got the car I bought a chair meant for like a 600 pound man. I'm not that fat. Okay before we get into that I'm not that fucking fat But I bought a chair for somebody who's like like really fucking obese It's like the the ultimate wide chair So i'm just sitting in this chair. I'm completely dwarfed by it. I can sit in it cross legged. No problem It's really big. Damn. It's great. That sounds adorable Are you sitting cross legged right now like you're fucking a Buddha at your I can like put my arms in between the the actual arm rests It's kind of nice. I respect your uh, your setup for your twitch channel I was like, oh look you got a little you got the green screen going you got the game Poster and stuff's like good effort good stuff Oh, we knew it with the coach and stuff. Yeah, and you look pretty comfortable crossing your legs Well, look at you go. Yes, I can I also do it on that coach too. It's a pretty it's pretty comfy Thank you Anyway Sorry, I just said having to say dark viper more focuses on dunking Which in some cases he has every right to because I got things wrong But jx he really painted the whole picture that put it all like in a really good perspective for me to get Man, that's uh, that's a really the criticism that was thrown. Oh, so this oh god This was actually a legion the other end of the spectrum They know who they are all right in the efap audience They left a comment on both the unlisted and the upload possibly on both of our previous videos Like please add this clip to the I I saw it. Okay, and I added it We got to add this one because this is this is such a clip I don't know if you've seen this before rags, but uh, I was like chud has I don't think so I don't recognize this I covered this whole video and it's fucking sucks It's just basically these people went and said hey asan Can we uh should be cocking to authorize these for like 10 minutes and he was like, yeah, no problem Well, yeah for context the idea with the interview is the hasan gets to describe his rise to his position And he got to just fucking wash up all that that history into something glorious and he talks about himself being so fucking great But there's a particular quote that is particularly interesting all like in a really good perspective for me to get The criticism that was thrown in my uh in my face Has been consistent throughout my career I'm an idiot. I'm a dumb, uh, bimbo. I don't know what I'm talking about I've gotten down to the criticism like it's not it's I as a matter of fact, I seek it out now because I make content out of it Seeks out criticism. All right. Hmm interesting cool. All right. I'm keep down. Oh my god Oh and now god there's so many context things to give so j actually intended to make a sort of a response to this situation Again and then fucking just decided fuck this. I'm out. I don't want to do this and so when I was talking about how Third coverage is coming up j was like, would you mind throwing in this portion of the video? I actually managed to create because it gives just one final response argument j wanted to have clarified which was um The whole aspect of you're just you're just trudging this all up again and again and again to do it for you So take it away j axi video that never got released In november of 2020 I released a youtube video making fun of a weird house in july of 2021 Hassan streamed a reaction to this video live on twitch Which he spent the majority of either absent or eating food pausing to comment very rarely Ending up adding less than two minutes of total commentary to my 14 minute video Which he plays in full he does not give credit I soon after responded with a satirical livestream making sure to outline what my actual perspective was both in the stream And in a pinned comment this perspective was basically i'm fine with reaction content Hang on. Let me just repeat that again very slowly and clearly. I am fine with Sounds like j hates reaction content to me and would everyone ever want to stop? Yeah, I'm getting from this nice sounds spiteful and angry Action but I don't think it's cool to go around playing people's full videos on your stream without adding anything or giving credit Unless you have their express permission. Hassan then responded on his next stream first by apologizing and saying that he wasn't Going to watch any of my videos on stream anymore. We don't want me watching your stuff. I will gladly never watch it I'm really sorry after this he spent approximately the next 25 minutes making arguments as to why he didn't think he was in The wrong for doing this kind of thing. Aren't you taking views away? No, most youtubers don't mind that actually love that shit when twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a Fucking fat bomb But he did always stay true to the principle that you shouldn't do this to someone if they've asked you Not to I then went live with a couple of friends discussing his arguments and dissing not say I Agreeing with most of them now something that most people Including people from my audience seem to not know is that I always intended to take the arguments made in that stream and turn Them into their own fully edited video as someone who primarily interacts with their audience via fully edited videos I often do this with my live streams if we're free now Why are we not free to do what we were doing before if you're truly free then you should be free to do what you Were doing before except that doesn't always apply Here's a stream where I live react to a watch mojo video and here's a fully edited response to that video I made a few weeks later. Here's a stream where I react to some trim trim video Almost feels bad that jay would even have to mention like is this is all to cover the argument You you you did a video once before so you're doing it again jay's just like oh, you know, I do Thought bubble brainstorm streams, and then I make the edited Proper ones and just like why the fuck do you have to justify this jesus? But you know that's the wilderness. It's fine. And here's the fully edited main channel video stream video stream Video stream video. So yeah, I always intended to turn this stream into a fully edited video It just took me a little bit longer than it normally does because I had other stuff I wanted to work on first new tv shows that I wanted to review while they were still fresh Just kept coming out a video about react cartoons look like crap Yeah That content was still something I wanted to do It just wasn't a high priority if you still don't believe me on that Then here's a tweet from months ago where I explicitly outlined that those are my intentions Finally on the 1st of february 2022 I posted my first and only fully edited video on the topic Hassan hates this video and insists that it's bad faith despite the fact that he's never seen it The irony of which is lost on him because of how he's a fucking stupid person Wait was was this unreleased? That's oh god, I feel terrible. This is great content I don't want to watch this video That is unreleased jay. Apparently jays, I think mentioned to me that uh, there may be a Release on the second channel just for that section, but that's all that exists of the video I think as far as jay got before uh Uh continuing on but yeah, it's the first and only spicy thing jay ever did was right at the end of that Or he said yeah, that's hard to fucking idiot. Just like I feel you've held back for For a year. I mean that's just true. That's just factually true, right? It's not an insult. That's just the description. Yeah And so The main event because you've got all the connective pieces you're gonna need now And obviously I apologize in advance. There's nothing I can do about this Except hit play Basically, I have no way of like I seek out the shit non-stop, right But I've basically gotten to a point where like I have no way of responding In a way that makes me look a little bit better. Like it looks fine to you Okay It looks fine to you because you know where I'm coming from It looks fine to you because you understand what I mean. You watch me eight hours a day It looks fine to you But if someone has never fucking actually watched me and the only thing that they've seen is like an eight-hour Compilation or if only thing that they've seen are fucking enough clips of me standing up leaving You know what's interesting is I don't think I've actually watched a critical stream And yet I have a very good perspective of him. Why is that? Can't imagine why that's happened. It's weird because Hasan as he's said over and over again He apologized and you know he so what? Man, there's some kind of weird mechanic going on here. I think it's a bias And they're also not content creators themselves So they have no way of understanding what content creators are Uh, what content creators are interested in or what content creator? Well, he's in luck because all of us are Woohoo, we can help out of this conversation. I've been known to create our content before you have I've I've been there There's like a what motivates them and the only thing that they hear is like one content creator that they actually like That has decided that reaction is bad For everyone else Then of course like I have no good way of communicating that to people effectively communicating I can imagine that if you had good points that you would Yes, um and for for like timeline context This is the the morning after I think or around about the same time he put out A tweet that fucking missed the point completely and uh jade put out the video at this point So he's about to show it. I think and it sucks Sorry, I just want to say as well like this this seems like a complete straw man as well in terms of like Movie studios think react content is bad, right? But like Um youtubers don't youtubers generally don't care as long as you do something with it and some don't care at all They like just watch my video as long as you shill it or whatever, right? So I don't think any youtuber is going to be like react content is bad Not that i'm aware of I don't know if you know of anyone that just hates react content It doesn't want anyone to do it in any context I mean, I find it really odd that he would say like, oh, yeah, you know, they're unfamiliar I was like dude whether youtubers are particularly involved in copyright stuff and transformative stuff They've been like conditioned for it all and we hate the dmca system Yeah, it's especially weird when you have like uh different streamers being like just dmca if you want to stop them It's like what the no no that's like it gives us the weapon of the enemy to hear literally his letters Uh It yeah, it's awful. Twitch streamers have no clue about if you've never been on youtube doing that thing How to deal with content ID and it sucks these fucking a night. It's a blessing in a curse There's great things about it. There's shit things about it. You know, and it's very complicated And that's what annoys me. This is a boring thing But the sun reacting to like master chef Not reason not realizing the mountain ton of shit that could bring down if twitch are like right We need to put a stop to this they invest in a similar system to content ID And that's that finished, you know, you can't even watch You know a 30 second clip of a tv show because you might get taken down if you're live, right? You know, yeah, I mean it just seems like the music one is the The progenitor it's like music you guys use to be able to play music as much as you wanted wherever you wanted But now it's they clamp down on it. So yeah, it's only a matter of time It's not going to persist forever. You can't keep just watching hell's kitchen and not saying anything It's only a matter of time until one network Sees what's happening and decides to clamp down on a hardcore and then twitch will probably implement a shoot first ask questions like the system Yeah, that's what youtube did youtube got very scared and you can They would prefer to protect themselves then like go through every individual case to check because the reality is there are going to be a Lot of instances where it is just copyright infringement Um, I don't know if you guys know the uh Sorry, I don't know if you guys know the old deep lore but something like nine years ago youtube switched over from A content id system that they had licensed from their company to something that they had built in house and Maybe six months after that twitch bought the license to that company that youtube used to use And twitch still has it. They've just kind of been sitting on it Interesting they they haven't used it to take down streams But they have used it to identify music And it's the same system that youtube used to use back when it was really bad So I actually do think that we're just waiting for something to blow up now Do you think they've just they've got the systems prepared for when The reckoning comes I bet they do probably They know it's coming. I think they yeah because for as long as the system can operate as it does I imagine that there's not a whole lot of incentive to clamp down on it But as soon as a company slams them with a lawsuit that'll probably be the time that they Bring down the hammer I don't know because From what I understand of of like the internal situation at twitch is kind of a shit show right now The friend that I mentioned the friend that I mentioned that I get all this information from He quit something like five years ago because it was just constantly falling apart all the people who were like Really good at their jobs. They were all moving on. They weren't getting replaced anybody who was good at it It seems like twitch is just running on fumes at this point Of like decade old work It seems like twitch is is running on Good work that people a decade ago did and when it finally breaks down nobody's gonna know how to exit Well, the thing is, you know as a twitch streamer, you know, I'm like a 500 viewer andy And like I'm not like a big shot or anything But I never hear from twitch and it's like I'm not miss kiv level miss kiv had the CEO of youtube On his stream the other day, right? And it's like I can't even get an email from fucking twitch when we were starved to say Hey, how's it going? Like there's no communication It's it's like it's killing it. It's killing it for streaming make a company You just you get the impression that no human being actually has anything to do with youtube That it really is just a purely 100 automated system I think if you were like a video creator editor, etc putting up pre-prepared content Yeah, but youtube are very interested in the streaming space And they're really trying to attract streamers now. So they're putting a lot of time and effort into that Um, you know, that's my perception of it. Anyway, maybe I mean there's an irony here, too They definitely want streamers, but sure that has son and all these other Twitchers are complaining about youtube when youtube is the shield The only reason they've been able to get away with you know streaming hell's kitchen is because The media and these companies have been focusing so heavily on protecting their content on youtube that they've ignored twitch basically entirely So they should be thanking us. It does feel weird in the front line damn it for taking the bullets that they won't take It feels where the twitch hasn't had this climbed down already. It really does. It's like, how have you taken this long? This feels like something we would have said happened in 2010 Because this all comes from the this all stems really from the adpocalypse and The media seeing youtube as a competitor and a threat So they went hard against them So youtube had to rollover show them their belly capitulate where twitch was never perceived by the media companies is Like edging in on their territory. So they kind of left them alone We're so interested to see how this all plays out 10 years from now. Let's say I wonder Plenty of times people have called the end of youtube as well. Um Still still pumping along still going still there And you'd argue dev presumably that it's healthier than twitch YouTube is yeah, I think so Um for all of youtube's faults, I think because it's a a much bigger operation They have a lot more leeway before they fail. They can have more free riders and um within their organization Yeah, but amazon bought twitch, right? I mean, yeah, but from what I understand amazon Again, this is like a low-level guy at twitch. We're getting information from And it's five years of the date but amazon basically bought twitch because they saw money in it, but they don't actually care what twitch does Oh, you're like micromanaging twitch. It's like a passive investment sort of thing Yeah, sure, but i'm assuming Amazon like they just like youtube has google to fall back on amazon twitch has amazon to fall back on I don't think amazon would let twitch like completely collapse You know My understanding is the reason that amazon bought um just in tv and whatnot in the first place is I think it was to do with the Software and the you know infrastructure they used and whatnot And that now they sell like a street. You can set up a streaming website through like an amazon web services company or something like that Um And I think that they just like twitch because they were the first to market They've captured the market, but then youtube is like nipping at the heels in many ways with the streaming stuff I don't know. Um, I don't think twitch is going anywhere, but yeah, there's definitely some issues I'd say for sure. Hmm. I wouldn't be surprised if I guess amazon's Their strategy was we're just not we're not we're not going to deal with twitch until we need to When the time comes that we have to do something with it It's it's not youtube, but it's it's you know Close enough something and you know, it'll probably just pay itself off Eventually even if we don't do anything and if we need to do something we will but until then we'll just let it do It's thing over there But that's what they should be afraid of because the reason youtube cracked down so hard Was because this started affecting google's adsense bottom dollar They didn't so they're like, oh, we're gonna super crack down on youtube because infecting our business So if the same thing happens to twitch and it affects amazon, then they're gonna crack down super hard Um, I thought maybe so I think both amazon and google are kind of asleep at the wheel google less so And as soon as as soon as something big enough happens and be like wait, what what's going on? Oh, we'll fix the door and this this this Yeah, like the the owner of a restaurant coming in and being like, I don't like that all the tail cloths are red I want them blue and then the people who work there are like Right, yeah, they don't want to hear that squeaky wheel. They want to just keep going Well, I think as well youtube is like a big part of google's like because it's linked into adsense and what not quite closely, right? Like they're out That google's an advertising business and youtube clips into that quite nicely But amazon is a delivery business whatever you want to call it, you know, and twitch doesn't really fit within that Do you know, do you see what i'm coming from? It's like doesn't fit in as nice as usual Yeah, precisely Yeah, I think I think you were kind of onto it earlier chud logic Um In that I think amazon bought twitch so they could get a hold of the streaming techs They could start doing the amazon tv stuff. I think that's what it was Um, I just want maybe it's worth clarifying, right? So anybody who's listening and has literally no idea who any of us are and what we do And what our experiences are with all of this stuff in relative to because like has already referenced how like hey content creators will get so Chud logic you upload to youtube, but you're you're streaming on twitch almost every day, right? Yeah, so I kind of see the both sides of it, you know, um, well, I know the pain of content id and whatnot So then you got uh fringy you're Streaming with youtube through efab uploading to youtube You know content created edited videos and streaming on twitch semi regularly, correct? Uh, I myself Do shit tons of uploading and streaming on youtube and then I do a lot of watching of twitch And I used I did a good two three stretch three a stretch of of twitch stuff So i'm very familiar with the platform Sitch what what what's what's your experience with the two platforms? I have zero experience with twitch. I mean obviously we stream on youtube And like people like to rub in my face. I used Onto youtube you shouldn't really be on the stream We used to make videos But I mean we have we had some huge content id problem last week because we streamed The john oliver stuff which is available for free on youtube And even though we transform a 28 minute, you know video with until like a six hour commentary There's still you know hbo still walking down on us because Yeah, because like we would do it with more things because we believe like the ethical and the the law You know like it's like I think that you can transform something very easily ethically, but that you won't qualify with youtube's color system at all Yes Yeah, because I'm even I I can be I could be convinced I think if someone did j's 14 minute video They played the whole thing credited him and then talked about all of the elements They wanted to talk about for like an hour afterward I could probably be convinced by that but youtube would never be convinced by something like that right Just because it's like oh if you have 30 seconds of uninterrupted or less You know it automatically goes to them and it goes to some intern and you write your reason for why it's for use and the intern says Oh, fuck you. You're not going to sue me and then they just deny it. It's nothing to do about it Yeah, because if you don't say to court and it's like that's a fucking nightmare. Yeah, who's going to do that for Yeah, I have to disagree I I don't think that that's an accurate presentation of how youtube works because I've fought a lot of copyright Plans on youtube and I always win them. Really? Yep, big companies small companies doesn't matter on music. I just I just keep yep music You've won the music ones video. Yes all the time. That's almost done. I just I just keep pushing it I even I even I push it to the point where YouTube gives them 10 days to take me to court or they will release and they never take me to court So I just say you know what you you're not going to fucking do it I'll just I'll I'll just I'll make you be legal about this and then they just give up and they always if you if you keep Appealing they have to take you to court. I thought it was reverse of that. No, they have to take you to court Yeah, because they're the one you are you're the one claiming the fair use defense And they are the ones who it the balls in their court youtube's just essentially Standing by to see what they'll do And yeah, if they want if if if they say it's copyright infringement, they have to they got to be the one to do it Well, there you go. Okay, so here here's I'll give you some details on it Because my elden ring video from was it about a month ago? Yeah, I think it was about a month My elden ring video It got a copyright Claim and then I said no, it's I said no, it's it's it's fair use and then it comes back and they say Well, they disputed your fair use said well, no, it's still fair use And then they gave me a delayed strike So I had seven days to voluntarily remove the video or youtube would remove it and then I get a strike and then I got So I said no fuck that so I got a strike But then so now I have a strike in my account and that's no good But I also have the opportunity to File a counter notification and that's that is a legal notice But the counter notification basically says That they have to now take me to court and prove to youtube that they've taken me to court Or I automatically win the dispute in youtube's eyes And the worst part is that they have a huge window to delay And a lot of the times they'll just play the delay game and they can make you wait. That's like 29 days It's basically a month in multiple stages that they can make you wait So if they really wanted to just be cocks about it They could delay your video by like almost two months Yeah, I think they can max it out at about three months before they just have to give it up or take Court and at that point They're just hoping that you've forgotten because then all the all the ad revenue for all those three months goes instead Yeah, if if it's a time sensitive video then waiting that kind of Monthage is just not really worth it. So you change it just to Doesn't keep it an escrow is like the idea with a lot of these It'll be like we'll keep it in a little thing until it's decided who won or whatever Well, yeah, which is by the way that's something that you must that you give up Yeah, that that what when I started youtube that wasn't a thing. Yeah, it got introduced Yeah, where it Yeah, it used to be where once the company just claimed it they started getting all the money until The resolution of the whatever it is and now it's it goes into all the money Yeah, it's it withheld until the matter is resolved and then the winner of that dispute gets the money Which is better, but When I started youtube since i'm an old man when I started youtube, they just deleted your fucking video This was like 2008. All right. Oh fucking hell. Jeez. Yeah for the back you go the The shitty results you can get from copyright. There are a few things in youtube that i've gotten better with time Yeah, but yeah, so when it comes to um the copyright claims i'm actually It's it's annoying having to work through it and a lot of companies will just send out false claims and hope you forget because it's deep in the Backlog of your uploads and you're not going to see it and they'll just quietly get like leech money from you But if you stay on top of it, it should be no problem to get all all of your revenue And a lot of it is a small channel gets this Copyright claim from this big company or whatnot and they just get scared. They're just like, oh, yeah like a lot of Understandably especially if you're new to it I think something that is worthwhile to caution people on is that like when you do like a counter dmc claim When you do a counter dmca claim like that is a that is a serious escalation Like it's it's worth remembering that like usually this copyright stuff is just restrained to youtube but like It can escalate to like actual legal stuff So like yes, that's really I would I would seriously like I don't I don't want to be like sitting here saying Hey, yeah, you know just like just counted and then you'll be fine. Like you might not be like I don't know Seriously Yeah, you've got to bring out energy like come at me, bitch if you want to see me Yeah, that's what I do. I was like, yeah, come on. Come on. Come do it. Well. Also. Here's the thing I'm in canada canadian copyright laws. It's no problem for me It's gonna be for americans I I'm not sure that it's that simple That if you live in a different I in fact, I'm confident it's not Um, because if they live in the you know, like Do you think that's how it works? Like that if you lived in a country where that's not the united states that you wouldn't You'd just be fine like a channel It's because canada's copyright laws specifically there I'd say a little bit better than america's in a lot of ways Right. I'm assuming if you had to go to court though it would be under american jurisdiction and american law Yeah, canada's like the orcs is youtube to us is on the california Yeah, but like they'd be like, okay dev go to go to court. It's like no What? Sorry, so I don't know why he's gonna show up Sorry, I See, I'll come and put you in a black fucking truck and take you to america Dev is behind The youtube militia will come and get me So, I mean, I I mean you're obviously obviously it seems like a meme that you would be extradited to the united states, right? But like canada has an extradition treaty with the united states, don't they? Yeah, but like not for things like this. Yeah Two and two and two bucks of ad revenue. I don't think this gonna No, I will so what i'm saying is like obviously it sounds fucking insane, right? That you would be extradited to a different country like Over a youtube video My videos get like 50,000 100,000 views. I'm not getting next You you hope they would or anything that would That would be Good content magic live stream it live stream happening. Yeah, exactly That's I gotta be more content about these things google sent goons to kidnap. They bring me to california over a youtube video um Yeah, uh Rags you don't do twitch at all, right? You don't really know. I do not currently do twitch at all. No I do not stream the flume, but you do plenty of uploading to youtube. That's that's your your Thing and then yes, I have your uh, you're doing a lot of them, right the twitch is i'm doing i'm doing all of it So it is youtube twitch dollar meat the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah dollar meats Um Chasing stream the thing is like I I started youtube when basically it was like me and my friends fucking around making anime That's right completely different period of my life, which is why my name is short fat otaku. It's from 2008 Um, and the name just stuck, you know, you can so i can change it. You can't change it. Yeah, but like what would I change it to At this point, you know dollar meat Dollar dollar So I know I know how a name could stick I just let you know that is actually a thing because some people legit don't know that you could Change your name and you can you mean on youtube right like specifically. Yeah On youtube on origin yeah I mean my my side channel where I put all the all the release spicy videos. I called it devonetized Since they're not getting monetized Devonetized sounds like uh like a pop singer Oh genre is that the ones with all the racial slurs in and stuff, right? Oh, yeah Yeah Rags doesn't notice that they are you just love the songs So here's the thing so I've I've been doing youtube for a very long time Um, and only recently become like like have like a drop of success at it only recently So, you know good enough and I've had a separate Like I've I've never liked the okay. Hold on. I don't want to be rude Uh-oh, I like destiny, but I don't like I don't like the merger of politics and gaming I think it's kind of annoying sometimes. I like destiny's content But like the I've kept my gaming stuff on a separate channel on a separate brand where it gets no viewers But that's fine because I like it being a little bit quieter over there You know my on on twitch my gaming channel gets like 50 viewers 100 viewers on youtube I might get like 500 or a thousand on sfo and that's I'm okay with that, but I've done both And I've I've been the the larger streamer and the smaller streamer. I've kind of experienced all of it Um, I do prefer youtube over twitch as a platform. I think so I think so too But I might actually I might actually start doing some sfo streaming over Because twitch politics is getting kind of spicy, right? It might be fun Oh, yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll dip my toes into it. You know, be careful I'll roll up my six pound chair to twitch and start In all seriousness now, right just be be careful on twitch because the tos is a bit more restrictive And I youtube plays a little fast and loose with some of the Hey more speech and stuff right and game of words. Yeah Twitch is Someone's saying So is the idea here that we're now mad about someone using other's content to make their own content Like what you guys are doing right now? Um, I welcome to efab. Well funnily enough that's from chud's chat. Sort yourself out I spoke to that guy the other jerk. He's a fucking moron. Okay, honestly, I didn't I spoke to him on the street All right, listen, I'm a free speech guy. Okay. I don't care if you're retarded or not. You can come in my chat That's all right We have the same policy hold on aren't you on twitch? You can't say you can't say retired on twitch Okay, listen, I can talk about this for ages. I won't talk about it too long, right? So retard is is okay Um, when it comes to racial slurs, they've got a hard line against all racial slurs The n word is an instant ban no matter what the context you say it, right? Soft a I think is okay in certain contexts, but I'm english I don't want to test that thing right if you're black you can do it, right? Um, yeah, if you're black you can do it sure But even if you're white if you do it in a like a friendly way that could be If you use it as a term of environment Yeah, exactly, but I am fucking testing now. Okay, like jesus. That's like playing with fire, right? Um, but obviously we had the the cracker this course. Do you remember this? Oh my god If I called you that in an aggressive way, I might get suspended But I can say it right it's fine to say it and anyway, I'm reclaiming it, right? Yeah, you should be allowed to say your wife. Yeah, that's our word. Yeah Cracker cracker. I don't know how you'd say it, but with an a soft no worries, you know Um, so yeah, the n word is also our word and I say it's time for us to reclaim it Reclaim it once you just get banned. Okay All right. I'll I'll put that down I'm getting some palpitations over it But anyway, just it's an interesting problem. So twitch are quite, um consistent on racial slurs So what the policy is you can't use racial slurs even if it's against white people Because they don't want to have an inconsistency where they're penalizing people from, you know Using racial slurs against black people but not against white people. That's why his son got banned So actually, you know, if anything, I mean that's like a pro nazi policy, right? We're finally stepping up for the whites eventually Oh, no, how's that a pro nazi policy? Well, because they're cracking down on anti-white racism what cracking Cracking. Yeah, exactly. But how do you mean how's that pro now? How is cracking down on on racism? I You didn't say you're a leftist, right? You did Okay, go on just wait just wait. Okay. I'm ready. So are you are you a leftist or a liberal as the leftist now he's a leftist Okay, listen, I okay. I don't think myself is a leftist, right? I mean, if you want to call me that that's fine. Call me whatever you want, right? My perspective is functionally. We're all liberals. We've got these things that we put on ourselves, right? I call myself a marxist because that's the closest thing I can think to describe how I look at the world, right? But I don't really give a shit about the labels. Okay, the labels are cringe. We'll function liberals We're all working in support of liberal hegemony or fucking whatever. Anyway, we don't want to get all political But the point is is like, yeah, I don't like being seen as a leftist because you know Um, I mean, there's no good labels today Like all the labels are like everyone goes you you're that I think there are some good labels They are gamer food nuts of Nuts of That's that's what the flavors are called. I love them. I love the labels. They're great The problem with leftist now is it's associated with these people online who are like hyper Fragile and sensitive but also like will attack you but cry if they get attacked back and you know what I'm talking about You know the kind of watch them right now. I just don't want to get associate. I hate being associated with that Yeah, right. So you're talking about literally everyone that destiny quote retweets They just explode in rage I just call you a rapist for no fucking reason. I can't believe he has a bad insane like I'm surprised twitter twitter hasn't nuked him several times over by now Especially because you're not allowed to third account. Yeah, because when you're on multiple accounts, they can just auto nuke you, right? Yep. No. Yeah, I don't know how he's done it, but he's still going. It's his friend I think the reason is is that twitter like what twitter like twitter is also a very automated platform They will um, they'll basically scan to see if your phone number Has been banned before and if it hasn't then you have to do a lot of work to actually prove somebody is vanivating So just just get a burner phone. You can go back on twitter anytime. Oh good. But there you go. I didn't even know that night Uh, so I got to get better at that. That's definitely something I used to be a lot better at I don't want people to think that like i'm fucking running away from criticism. I never do I If anything people get mad at me for uh, maybe doing too much Uh head diving head first in the criticism I love it. It's so great. But yeah, yeah, it's so those those quotes will become richer as the video progresses Best thing to do is just ignore them. That sucks But the uh, the misinformation would also just stay I I don't think there's any way to like I don't think there's any way to respond to it Well, it's a good thing. I showed those Charlie clips, hey Hmm. There is that if there there's only One way to respond to it and I did it. There's there's clearly no other way It can't be done. Thanks for spending the last year with me at hasana by heart Oh, I don't think there's any way to like respond to it and like actually fucking diffuse the situation another reason why Sorry, you've seen this a lot in edited is the uh, I want to show you what I'll be cutting Right. Sitch is very aware of this. Hassan takes enormous gaps between like everything he says And so eventually I get bored of this and start cutting a lot All right I was actually confused every once in a while when you when you are listening to these clips, right If you close your eyes, you can't tell when a legitimate edited pause begins or when he's just Lost in thought because he's not a good speaker I I just wanted to say I like that doggo It's just yeah, the animated dogs are great and wasted on him. Well, is his is Hassan just stupid So it takes him forever to yeah, I'm willing or he's lost in the thought lots of thoughts Is he just reading the chat constantly to affirm his position? That's a theory How difficult and distracting it would be to try and read through like a 40 000 viewer chat The other thing as well is you've all got each other. Listen, I'm gonna fucking defend Hassan, okay Oh So I think that one thing is you fellas have all got each other to bounce off, right? I don't know what you do in your kind of solo streams and what that looks like But I think when you But like when you're by yourself and you're formulating thoughts on the go You do have pauses and stuff like that sometimes so Everybody has pauses it would be the frequency and the length of the pauses I was about to say He gives up berries Just because we're bouncing off each other that cancels out the gaps between us finishing our sentences But everybody here mostly doesn't do anything near what he does which Well, yeah, because that would be if um onto we pause here. It's like, you know I really that that dog it's It's really it's pretty cute. Yeah, like that would be what he does Um oftentimes the the last time we covered him This felt like it was because he really didn't fucking know what to say He was struggling like hell to defend the specific because it's undefendable. Yeah In right here, I think he's discovering these arguments On off the top of his head. Fuck me. He just doesn't he wants to be done with this whole thing But it keeps popping back up Which um, I mean admittedly he might just be better served to ignore it because he is incorrect on this principally um He mentions at one point one of his friends told him he was completely wrong on it There's also the fact that there's a lot of ideas that you can hold that if you only think about them for five seconds They just seem reasonable and then you just kind of hold It's it's it's the static method, right? You just keep asking questions about your uh position so that you can kind of root them down to some core And then once you have the core you can extrapolate that to individual topics rather than right kind of pick in your opinion Based on the topic and the general perception you have no idea what the underlying principles are that inform your position Yes, there are some times and you might you might have an idea It's like well that makes sense And then you kind of never think about it again And then it comes back up five years later and then you you say it and you're like wait Why did I think that? Yeah, and then you have to wait like 10 seconds for the next thought to come And then 10 seconds for the next thought to that process is better done off stream Of course it is on on the fly where you kind of look like an idiot You know I've seen a lot of I think I think every debate stream has done this at least once where they Hold an opinion, but they don't know why they hold it and they have to rationally work through it in their head You know in front of an audience where it's 10 times more embarrassing. Yeah, and the unfortunately that's a little different though Well, like even if someone's working through their argument while they're debating someone they're not pausing every 20 seconds to complete the thought I guess the thing is it's kind of hard to say like so it's has sound like wrong for not being able to articulate his thoughts clearly No, I think it's indicative of the fact that he doesn't have a position to express and he's trying to find one He has a very empty head. It's not full of things Well, that's why I think he's reading the chat to try to gauge what he how he should react Well, I mean, I would imagine that that is something that is pretty I mean I mean, I feel like anybody being kind of lying to themselves And they said that the way that chat is reacting to what's happening doesn't sometimes inform how they respond or think A lot of us here Out chat chat and just say, you know what fuck you if they disagree. All right. That's what we do Yeah, it can also be what he does sometimes is he'll pull someone up some random chatter and be like, oh 23 months Fuck you We are accustomed with that I I think we to just bring it up again because it was really there was a dude who asked I'm pretty sure it was an incredibly innocuous question And they got like 11 month banned and then the community that they probably thought they were a part of like mocked them as they got Yeah, it's really strange. They all make fun of the people and they make fun of how long they thought that they had some sort of Place in this in this like community of sorts um Yeah, it's really uh grim. I think well, did you did you know about the trans person? Incident that might that might just pop up in which one Okay, I did coverage of that and like not to suck my own dick But I think I kind of bought some some attention to that because no one was talking about it and it's almost horrible This person but so something that we talked about last stream Because you weren't here in the last one is um, it was kind of something. Oh, well you watched the denim You watched that so you probably remember it there seems to be I've just gotten the distinct impression that like a lot of people Don't criticize Hassan like in that circle and the only thing that I could chalk that up to is either They don't want to burn that bridge or like they're kind of nervous about what would happen if they kind of went after So it really takes about this. Holy shit the Hassan orbiter industrial complex, right? I'm on good terms with destiny and I'll criticize maybe does some dumb fuck shit Right, but like I'm not like denouncing of every stream for whatever stupid thing he said or whatever, right? I disagree and I get accused of being a destiny orbiter and also, you know You know made content with them and we you know, I've got a working relationship. Whatever, right? So I get called a destiny orbiter because of that whatever. I don't really give a shit It is what it is But then you get these people that are literally dick riding Hassan 24 seven, right? They'll never say a bad word about him. You're applying to him What figuratively this this stream rags. He's a twitch streamer. You have to let him get it No, we gotta draw the line somewhere. He's never gonna be able to adopt that. He never really doing it Sorry, are you upset by the homophobia I'm engaging in is that no, no, I'm pro. I'm pro. No, I'm pro homophobia It's the use of the word literally It is they we gotta Okay, yeah, yeah, we got autism kicking in it. I understand. It's all good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we No, no, okay. I'll try my best to avoid it. Right. Sure. Okay figuratively feel so bad Anyway, listen, you've ruined my fucking floor. Okay, this is ridiculous Right the basic point I'm trying to say is there's all these people and they are going to praise Hassan and never criticize them And accuse everyone else of orbit and other people But they are like turbo orbiting this person and the saddest part about it is Hassan's never going to pay him any fucking attention, right? They'll never know they ever exist Maybe someone else knows this I remember hearing it doesn't mic from pa like schedule his stream so that they always happen when Hassan is not streaming Like it's funny as fuck. Yeah Yeah, the Hassan waiting room is what it's called. So everyone wants to see it Hassan waiting room Yeah, that's tragic That's being his waiting room Jesus Man, that's actually like really sad Damn Very bolder of you chud because you've been in that bridge with with mic from pa right now. How could you do that? I burned that bridge ages ago. Listen. I fucking I just Yes, yes, yes A lot of these bridges are in cinders already. It's just you know ashes at this point But but mic from mic from pa has actually like changed his image. So he looks like a fucking dollar store Hassan now You know, I I said that I wish the friggy wants his body Can anyone find it? It's the comparison image I would I've never seen this image. I if one of you has it I would love to see it because my I'm sure someone in my chat will link it quick. Go on You look so much different before But I don't think I have I have the pleasure. Have you seen have you seen the you've seen the clip with a bad bunny ride when he There's the sofa, there's the sofa punching one. There's the cringe like, you know Touching a one. I don't know how to describe it. But yeah, there's a lot of cringe clips there I'm probably gonna be able to find the image. It's so funny. I've got I've got the image here. I'll put it to the uh Oh All right, that's the one all right, so wait Wait, wait, wait, don't react because chat I've got to see what mic from pa looked like and then when he got influenced by Hassan. Okay, so one sec God, this takes a long time to do in a chronological order. Yeah, give me a sec. I'll even send you guys. Oh, yeah I'm so excited. This we have Generic white man mic from pa. There he is. This is what he used to look like Now He looked like this on his stream for a long time and then he got influenced by Hassan And he tried to copy and paste everything he does and this is how he looks today It's so good. It's so good. It's such a great comparison If you didn't tell me that that was the same person, I would have never guessed That's not just because I think the white people look the same. They legitimately look totally Wow, it's such a dollar meat store vision of a Yeah, imagine being the dollar meat store version of like a mcdonald's or something Yeah Yeah, I mean it's it's such a shame that Hassan is like the biggest political streamer I mean, it's a shame for lefties. I guess I guess you write. He's probably laugh at the idea of that I write these Well, you know, I don't know rags short for ataka. You're upset to write. I don't like listen You know As a disciple of Mussolini himself I'm offended by the use of the lord's name It is it is just it is legitimately amazing how we have he looks like a respectable individual and then you're like, what the fuck This is your brain onto it He used to make his bed and now he doesn't Dude, seriously diving into micro p. A's twitch history is hilarious. There's so much shit in there The alpha mouth is pretty funny. Oh, yeah This is a general thing Generally, it goes around calling themselves an alpha male Yeah Yeah, but apparently it was a meme all along Oh I don't know much about mike pa So maybe maybe we're just not in on the humor. Maybe it's this is the tangent. No, we we're met. We're here for Hassan not Man, my voice just like just appeared there. Even your own body rejected the idea of going back to Hassan No, no talk about mike from pa Well, didn't mike from pa accused somebody of doxing him even though his name is mike from I think it was destiny because yeah, that was destiny because uh, when they were having a conversation Um, and that was when he found out that like mike had run for some office and like some sort of I don't know if it was like federal or state in pennsylvania And it's like, yeah, mike from pa Was it was it that he was a fake so wasn't he claiming to be a lawyer but Well, I think it was when when he ran for his campaign. He is like a law graduate Um, but he is not he like he didn't do the buy. He's not like he's not a lawyer Like you're not a lawyer. You never practice law. He dabbles in law And and then that was how that that all that connection is found. It's like, yeah, mike from pa So pa does mean legit literally pennsylvania. Yes. I'm pretty sure that's right. Yeah He used to have his full name. I thought on his channel too Michael from pennsylvania. Yeah Michael was Michael But his friends calling mike from pa I don't know So I don't know This meme itself it's wild to this combo. Oh, yeah, let's have a look at this memey post, right? So the myth of mutually beneficial react content I can send I can send with the reactors and most content creators but then someone Who isn't even being reacted to says I don't This is not a very apt one considering jay was reacted to by you and several people Also, um the okra Core of the meme the the fundamental core of the meme is that like even though i'm not like me I'm jesus in this image here as I am in many images But I like i'm i'm a youtuber that no one's reacting to in this situation But you shouldn't do this You know like it's not the right thing to do regardless of my involvement It's a total straw man because if jay was fine with it Then this would make sense like well, okay Jay's fine with it, but jay wasn't fine with it So we can comment on the shitty behavior not to mention the whole issue was the lack of consent Like that was that that was one of jay's whole points was if you had permission it's chill But you know relevance but our relevance said that consensus just And you have to retract it or something. Yes, which funnily enough It's like It's like a malformed mutated version of the reality Which is so this is something we've brought up before but when jay says like Oh, it's good that he said if anyone asks you not to watch the videos that you don't it's like that doesn't Really that's not actually that true. Like if if someone puts up a really controversial video essay about a movie and Fucking rips it apart and then says I don't want anyone reacting to this. We'd be like Yeah It might be worthwhile because we we've said it in the other streams But maybe there are some people who here who haven't watched those The general uh, I shouldn't be playing maraca. I'll do that so The whole idea is that when you create something when you've like created a piece of When you've created something that is I guess in a sense intangible a creative work you own it You own that work. It's yours belongs to you and when you've created something You have rights to it like your property that is enforceable broadly against everybody The whole idea of fair use is an exception to the general rule that If you want to use something that someone else made you need to ask them fair use is an exception Yeah Yeah, um very use is literally you it says in the copyright law you do not require the permission of the copyright holder Yeah, why did you do these things? The idea with fair use is these are the circumstances in which you are not required to get permission and essentially the idea is that you've Transformed it but the main points like criticism educational purposes parody those are like the main points So the the the important part is in this conversation is The the framing that it's like oh, I can read I can use these and you need to tell me not to is backwards You were meant to ask them unless you transform it in which case you don't need permission That that's it. That's that's the end of the discussion That is just that is the reality of how it works and how and that's probably how it should well I'm gonna say probably I think that should work Yeah, I think so too It should be it we should not have a system where it is the job of a copyright holder To be in constant vigilance mode all the time to have to seek down All of the people who are infringing on their copyright and didn't take steps to prevent it That's what that's the whole purpose of the dmca system is when people do Do things that breach your copyright or infringe upon it that your mechanism for enforcing the rights that you have The rights that you have automatically For what for what you've created it's yours like it is your property That's what copyright exists as is a mechanism to essentially make property creative works or things that are Um, it's basically like course like you shouldn't break the law But if people do now you have this system to work with well, yeah And so when we talked about the dmca thing the whole idea of the counter dmca in essence is no This is my copyrighted work now because I've transformed it I am asserting copyright to what I've created and then you would compete to see whose claim is valid Um This is mine now Is the meme is perfect in the sense that yep hassan still hasn't changed his mind at all This is exactly what his position was before and he still doesn't understand why everybody's mad at him Well, so the reason why it's frustrating in this I guess I've got I've got that uh context in my head is um That hassan is not like he hasn't changed his position. His initial response was oh, you don't want me to react to your content Fine. I won't react to your content. That is not a change in the principle because it's the principle That's the important part here not whether or not you're going to specifically react to jay's content or anything It's like you're not going to transform it us for permission. You probably get it Um, because people probably will see some sort of utility in doing that Uh, or alternatively if you transform it, then you don't need anybody's permission. That's it. That's easy way That's how you don't understand it if we crank the scale is he's just gives everybody one stab and then jay goes Fuck what the hell was that and he goes fine. I won't stab you again Doing that to other people it's like well until they withdraw their consent for me to stab Yes, I will and hey a lot of people like being stabbed so I think the other thing as well is like, you know It's the standard for a youtuber because generally youtubers know they haven't got like the legal weight of like a movie studio Is it's so much lower than like a movie studio a movie studio will fuck you in the ass Even if you transform their content in some cases, right and they'll fight to know they've got the weight to throw around Yeah, they've got the fucking expensive lawyers and the money to throw into this stuff and you know youtubers don't have that so I think Sometimes people do it and it's all it's like taking advantage of the fact that youtubers don't have the same sort of like Legal ability as a big movie company and like someone on the left That's insane to me the fact that you would take advantage of the fact that a worker essentially has got less power in the legal system, right? Um, I don't know. It just seems like really hypocritical if your worldview is worker power, etc, etc I think that's uh, I think that's a good observation. Yeah, so even Is this is this where where you guys mentioned earlier in the stream that it was being it was being Equated to rape basic the stealing of content Is this where that comes from? Yeah, Hassan responds He oscillates between talking about dark viper and jay and dark viper's the one that said that uh, it's about Like they're a tantamount to rapists and stuff. Uh, this meme Um, I think the point of the meme itself more so is just to say that dark viper is someone that didn't even get Reacted to and he's talking about this It's like that's not an argument. It's not. Yeah, which is not exactly it isn't like you could have These are what happens when I have like there's all kinds of terrible things that happen that I have no personal stake or investment in That I disapprove of because I have Underlying moral principles and a foundation for ethics and all that So I don't have to be involved For me to talk about things Yeah, I I don't know if it's rape, but like it's certainly you have to distill it down to a super basic mega base Kind of level thing for it to even be comparable when it comes to the I think we would all just agree like don't fucking compare those Just don't just don't compare them the two work you have to do to make that even work I hesitate to bring in the in general though like a comparison, you know, because people will be like Oh, it's like stabbing. So what is it? It's like, no, no, no, it's not but you know what I mean It's just shadow. Yeah, it's like scummy behavior. I don't know like this other ways to I mean, but there's like if you're if you're a leftist if you're a leftist your your view is that Employment of workers by bosses is an extractive institution. You're stealing the surplus. Is it called surplus labor or surplus value? Judd, you know, you're right. Yeah, the surplus value of their labor. That's the concept. Yes. Yeah. Yeah The surplus value but that is literally what is happening here in the situation Yeah Stealing surplus value from this person's hard work when they created a video. They're not crediting them They're not they're not doing anything to help this person. They're just stealing the value. They're rent seeking. Is that what you're saying? Basically, basically landlords, right? Um, but but I tell you what's interesting is lefties talk about like say a show like Masterchef, right? They see it as they're stealing from the investors in the show or the head honk shows at the industry But what they don't realize is like the mechanism by which capital gets invested into a production that Pays camera work, you know camera operators staff, you know workers, right? So, you know It's not as simple as oh, I'm just stealing from the capitalists, right? Like there's a whole mechanism and process of their refunding that goes into this stuff And that money ends up in the pockets of workers as well. So if um, that would if we all stole from like If we all stole like moon night, right? Um, okay, sorry go ahead go ahead If we all stole moon night and said it's disney, fuck him and then disney are like, yeah We got no sales on moon night. So we're gonna cut the season two and everyone involved in that project Is that to let go who'd be like, oh Right. Well, yeah, because the cost is going to be borne by somebody and it's not strictly Like the company is like a nebulous term There's people who are part of the company who get paid to do things within the company And that money disappears those people lose their jobs like it's just how it works. Yeah, exactly Like the disney is not going to lose money. They're just going to put their funding somewhere else It's the people who worked on the show that's going to lose their money because now they don't have a job And this was the same terrible argument hassan made with you know why it's okay for people to loot target stores And loot other large chains to say well, you know the large chain. Who cares? I don't know have those people ever like worked in retail before do they have any understanding of like, of course not Of course not. I told the story before on these chains. I came close I came closer to losing my job because things were getting stolen I I would it was put on me as a worker that like you shouldn't be allowing this to happen Turned out it was one of the other workers using his keys to get in and steal ships Like how the fuck was I supposed to stop that? It was like, well, you're at fault. It was like great Right, but as rags are saying, I mean even worse is like if it's wide-skill looting Then you're gonna have entire neighborhoods or places where they're not gonna have access to these stores to buy the goods They need for their normal life They're gonna close down they're just gonna Make any money here. Everyone's stealing it. We're just gonna we're just gonna fuck off and now there's no Yeah, I I've recently made trips to outside of st. Louis and some other places on some Jobs and stuff and there are you go through you drive through Ferguson outside of st. Louis And it's just like close building close building close building close building old department stores that no one will No one is gonna rents. No one's gonna pay for no one wants to put their stores up and stuff I mean, it's just companies will leave these areas And that doesn't come from nowhere. The other problem you've got as well It's like I'm pretty sure we do agree If there was some poor fucker who's literally got no other option and they still are low for both to feed themselves Like who fucking cares, right? But there's a difference between that and like these professional shoplifters, right? And they go and fucking slam in fucking hundreds of like, I don't know Launching detergent pods and they go and settle on the black market and you get people that are like, oh, no, that's fine Don't worry about that. It's like motherfucker. What are you talking about? Like, um, you know To sort of an impact and to transpose that over it's like we've just talked about all the complications with stealing just from hell's kitchen These people like hazzad will happily just steal from the lowest level youtube without giving a shit. This is like, damn, dude They've all got insurance, right? Streamer insurance The insurance will pay for it. You don't got to worry about any kind of looting Actually, do you see recently there was that one there? I think was it a gay bar that got torched by some anti gay person a couple days ago Yes, it turns out that their insurance can't cover it. So they're they're got they have like a go fund me I guess insurance doesn't really cover it does it Christ People think insurance is like a get out of jail free card for when a bad thing happens And it's a bit more complex than that. Well, the part that they get wrong is the whole mix an instant refresh Like no, no, no Sorry, do we not support black lives matter on this show? What the fuck's going on here? Like we'll school us with this racism Absolutely not sir Oh I support the leaders of black lives matter to buy mansions for themselves and their families and uh redistribute the wealth that way Oh my god, I'm not actually covered that story yet, but that is fucking horrendous. Like what the fuck is going on there? Yeah, just to me listen. I'm sorry. I know that this is a very, you know, I'm not gonna say again I don't be too ableist. I'm joking with some of this stuff. Okay. Maybe it's the british thing I don't know. Okay, but when I say You don't have to fucking take me seriously. Hey, jesus It is the What I'm gonna say is like when you start yelling, I don't know if like you're me Yeah, I don't I have a better understanding It actually is the accent Look with sargon. I can't tell if sargon's joking ever either as well. Do you guys have Wait, do you guys have that trouble with me or or no? No, I really know Mahler puts a very specific voice on when he's being I'm used to you, Mahler. I'm used to your horseshit all the time I've just dealt with you for so long. I know your I know your voice. I know you Very well. Well, um, we'll get you to cherd. I'm sure by hour nine we'll have gotten it Yes. Yeah, um at the end of this one. We're grizzled veterans. Oh, yes You're welsh though. Not really british. All right Uh And uh It's why that this is even a convo when most people love watching it and the overwhelming majority of consequences Included myself low when people react to whatever we make right? This is true. The myth of mutually beneficial This is true Instantly the correct we just got off of this big tangent on why this is wrong and his first words are true Well, to be fair, he's not listening to us. He's just listening to himself rags. Of course. He's gonna say true constantly His inner monologue is nothing but him if he has one it's nothing but different versions of him agreeing with themselves It's not fucking jerry beam from rick and multi. It was just everyone's cheering for jerry who is jerry 10 I can sense is the reactors I can sense is 99.9 percent of content creators and I don't says random youtuber Who no one is reacting to isn't there my sources? I made it the fuck up. Yeah, so I made this I made this meme, okay And the problem with a meme like this is that the problem with the meme like this is like a third of the whole meme is empty white space That's what's wrong with this meme first. Yeah, it's a mobile meme. Okay. He didn't cross it. Oh, it's a moment. Oh, you're right. Oh Of course It of course does not see the valid side of the criticisms, right? Hey, that's great. He's just acknowledged the meme doesn't see the valid sides. How about that? Okay Growth wow the valid side of the criticism. What are they are this? Okay? If I watch a content creator, okay It doesn't matter if it's helpful to them or not if they don't want me to watch them then they're right Oh We're still back on that one. Oh, well Jesus. He's such a fucking idiot. It's unbelievable To be fair, he's been saying that since day one and I don't know why nobody knows why He keeps saying I don't know who this is a weird principle, right? Like who even says like, oh, yes That's the way you're supposed to do transformative content whenever they say stop you stop Well, is this like he's just too stupid to understand or That he's crafted this straw man. He's gonna buy god. He's gonna stick with it forever an epistle of a straw man forever I don't know. I think um I don't know Understand that you can criticize something like I doubt that if he was watching like fox news or something and shitting on them And then fox news will like stop it that he would just say, oh, would I've asked me to stop some gongs? What if they said it in that voice Of course it's dead in that voice. That's how you ask people to stop It was valid to be like, hey, that's fucked up. Please don't do that again Okay, that was valid. It's weirdly says because if someone said like your coverage of us was uh, fucked up Don't do that again to us. I'd be like, oh, shit. What do we do? What do you think was fucked up? Yeah, tell us and if they said no, no just the fact that you're covering me. I'd be like, that's not fucked up Oh, go away Well, you criticized my bed. So that was that was pretty fucked up, right? Come on That was that I know the bed I made that is fucked up. The bed wasn't the worst part of it. The bed wasn't the worst part of it It was oh, it's hot. It was the eyelash comment. What the fuck was that about? You know, yeah, oh, yeah These in-cell comments and then you said that and I'm like She's coming across What did you say it was something to do with like, I don't know it was sticking to you said, oh, look at those I I can't remember exactly it was like look at those Her rags remember she had like the fake eyelashes on and one of them was kind of off slightly Whenever she blink it would actually move her hair Yeah, so I was yeah, I asked because I was curious what you remember But essentially my comment was it that's that looks like it's really really annoying to have your eyelash Constantly rubbing against your hair all the time that must be really really annoying to have to have that be your day I'm gonna be honest with you. It doesn't sound like an in-cell comment. It sounds like a normal person comment Just oh, that's a weird thing Because because in a lot of the footage of her you could tell that her eyelashes are not like on the same horizontal line Because the right eyelash is stopping where the hair is and I'm like that's that's gotta be annoying Why are you spending so much time looking at a fucking eyelashes, bro? What the fuck's going on? I'm looking at her for hours Yeah, I know I know It's because you're making all these other pathetic points you spend most time looking at and you find more you discover more to dig into Look at those fucking eyelashes It's her problem that she has all these issues that are worthy of pointing out and commenting on I'm gonna Anything to sherry. I'm gonna be like wow the pedantry also. I'm correct. You don't even disagree that that must be very awkward I mean, sure. I just don't think it's a What is what is the underlying thing here? Why does it bother you to point that out? I guess Because um, I'm protecting the queen actually Not enough about this Right Denim's unfollowed me on twitter. I've got no idea why Wait was do you know when it was because we shall file you back because if it was when you you'd mentioned you coming on Ifa you doomed me you shouldn't have come here Well, it's I don't know like I made a video critical of a video because it sucked And then obviously I reacted to you watching but I was somewhat defensive and then I said I'm coming on here I don't know. It could have been a number of things. We you know There's some other stuff from before where we had like a bit of a fractious Interaction. I don't know the whole bunch of shit. So, you know, I'm pretty sure she watched it as well, right? Maybe it's because I hate women Yes, dev. Well, I agree. Yeah Oh, you can sort that out just add it with like I think you'll you make bad content. I should do it No, no, just just send me that clip privately of no, no, no, just add her a picture of the unmade bed Ha Nobody fucking actually do that because jesus christ people be like, oh, let me show you Don't do that. Leave her alone. Leave her alone. Please This is not a brigading channel. No Yeah, I was already saying that to dev. Okay, he's he's chasing Oh, am I not this time guys? Not this not this Ha We know what devs into okay, come on A Kirby vorfetish very those line up very well Um, wait, shall we about to say something as well though? No, I'm done. Uh, hate it on women for now. I'll give it 10 minutes and I'll be ready to recharge I remember when I used to say that just one bite. I said I'll never do it again I said you see what that person in chat says it says just asking if someone like steven krauter Wanted you to not watch his content They asked me basically the same thing that I was thinking right Which wait, sorry. So the question is if steven krauter start asked you to stop watching that content, would you? Yeah, because remember her son said that that's well. No, no, no They're asking her son. Do you not see it on screen there? Oh, sorry. I thought you meant our chats I was looking for no, no, no, no. His son's chat. Oh If he sees that he's gonna ban him. Yeah, sorry. I didn't okay. Yeah, that guy's genius You're playing with fire here my friend. So we we we like to point out whenever there's a free thought in uh, his son's chat There it is like a unicorn. Yeah, it's gonna get banned soon. Don't worry about it I have clips of that His son seeks out the controversy. What are you talking about? Yeah Okay, so listen, this is the reality of it. Okay If you're doing something that you think is wrong if you do it to a right-winger, it doesn't matter because they're a right-winger Okay, that's how it works. That's the I wouldn't want you I wouldn't want people to think you joke in there as well because that's a that's a thing a lot of People have said. Yeah, that is a true thing. Yeah, that's that's the famous quote. No bad tactics only bad targets I think move bobbits tweeted that out. Yeah Yeah, that's the movie. I know we I could have swore we heard someone unironically parrot that that we were watching movie bob No beyond movie bob Beyond movie there is what is beyond movie? It's it's from solid ski, right? It's not a fat joke. We're just like That's not what we're saying I feel like highlighting that made it worse I've I've got this quote that's really good and I think you're gonna get a kick out of it. Okay. This is a good quote Um, can I just read it? Is that okay? Go for it. Well, you gotta now Okay, it's much is a leftist meme. It's much a text though, but I think you like it Um, okay The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people They will have the chance of maltreating someone to better destroy with good conscience to be able to behave badly And call your bad behavior righteous indignation. This is the height of psychological luxury the most delicious of moral treats That's uh That's hot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of that. I'll get you out of that John Kleyce video from what? I used it in a video like two days ago. Okay big brain I know the quote people Told me okay listen. Listen. I got an absolutely useless degree. Let me enjoy it for once What's what is your degree? What do you do? Uh, you listening, English literature and gender studies Oh, okay, right. Wait, why the gender? Because I could get a minor in one of three things. I just need to take one extra class because of all the various side classes I took. And I said, oh, this was the easiest. Don't fucking bullshit us. It's to be a more effective chaser. Yeah. Yeah. You don't accidentally your way into a gender study degree. Hold on. Hold on. Listen, gender studies in the 2000s was very anti trans. I didn't learn to be a chaser there. Oh, yeah. Was it was it? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Listen, the feminist scene in like 2009, 100% terfs, all terfs. Yeah, but doesn't make it better. Why would you take that? I don't understand. No, no, no, no, because the joke is that you wouldn't learn how to be a chaser. I got you. I got you. Yes. But milking that for an entire fucking year and continuously making like videos about it is crazy. You know, after a fucking year, especially because like, I agree with the original. It's been six months at this point. I don't know why he keeps saying a year. Even if it had been, you know, the weird thing is well, he sees all of Jay's like stream and video as excessive. Meanwhile, every time he brings it up on his streams, it doesn't even count as coverage. No, it's just like a large audience because you've got Hassan's initial reaction to the video, then the reaction to the reaction to that, and then this. So that's three. Jay's only got two, as far as I know, maybe three. So it seems like you guys are equalized. Like, is there a problem? Well point. After a year, it's like, okay, well, like, what else do you want? Well, if you listened, you'd have some clue as to what was being requested, but this is a commentary for me. You know what I mean? And the thing is like, I will not watch the video. And every time I talk about it, like people go and seek it out and they watch the video. The entire point is like to get people to watch the video a year after the fact. It's just not worth it. It's not like, I feel like this is a standard sort of dig for motivation. It's like Jay's after the views. They just want you to watch it. And it's like, Oh, well, I mean, I guess it sounds sappy, but Jay believes the point is being made an important one and wants to share it. So when I know my opinion doesn't mean much to Hassan, but it's just like with how much I know about Jay, I just be like, yeah, I don't really believe it was even a primary or secondary motivation was a monetary gain from views. I really don't. Jay is very pure. Yeah. Well, not that wanting money for your work is impure, but that's true. We're all good capitalists here. But apparently, as we learned, but not us. We don't do four ads. But if Hassan had acknowledged what, like what the prom was correctly kind of the way that moist critical did, would Jay, I mean, would Jay probably would have made the video, right? Nope. Jay would have been like, that's cool, dude, you go right ahead with the. Right. Exactly. Whatever you're up to. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's not what happened. No, that is not what has an alternate reality that we'll never get to. I feel like it's bad faith. I'm sorry. Okay. You haven't even seen it. You haven't even seen it. It's just great. Jay's already in bad faith territory. Even though he hasn't seen the video. You don't even know what it's about. Incense. He does actually go on to say that. I feel like that means further emphasis. He hasn't seen it. He hasn't watched it. I mean, do you really have to watch a video to know what's in it? You can smell the faith in your gut, you know, kind of bubbling up. This is good. Yeah. Or is it just Freudian, right? I mean, I would only ever like dredge up old stuff because I want to get more viewers and stuff. Couldn't be that someone just believes what they're saying and wanted to talk about it, or that there are other videos that they worked on in the meantime. I wouldn't know about that. I'm Hasan. I don't make videos. Had Jay released it a month after? Has someone be like, one month? Yeah, exactly. It's however long you decide is long enough. Or he said it's more than a month because more than it hasn't been a year or six months. Yeah, but you can round up six months to a year. Okay. If it's zero or a year, it's it's anything's an untrue, you know, this round six months up to two years. Fuck it, especially considering that, like, I'm right. Or I mean, they're right. And I that's fine. That's I have apologized. Like I agree. Like if someone doesn't want to watch what you what you said is, oh, I will never watch their video again. And you said it in a tone that was pretty, but also like, you're going to continue doing it to other people, which I would imagine Jay is not super thrilled about. Well, and just to print sort of back up that tone point, the impression everyone gets from Hassan is very well, Jay, you lose the privilege. Exactly. Well, and also Hassan didn't just say, I'm sorry for like the wrong thing. He said, I'm sorry. But then he said, suck my dick. Fuck you. Do you want me to starve and die? Yeah, he said a lot of other things afterward that it conveniently ignore. And of course, he will proceed to say some things as well. It was weird because like criticals appreciation of Jay's perspective didn't even involve that many insults, if any at all. It's so strange. Like not possible. He must have misheard. Oh, OK, yeah, I have it on good authority. They that's a stop. That's not possible. You don't watch their shit. That's it. OK. So there is validity in that in that conversation. That's where he sees the validity. It's insane to me. It's like, no, that's that's not really that important compared to the action. In that side. Do I personally think it's beneficial for them? No, but it doesn't matter. It's not me. It's their video. We got a post in a hot score. Basically just wants you to pause before you go to pee. That's it. He's in good faith. Can also be very annoying. So a bunch of people also jumped on this and were like, dude, why do you play the video while you're fucking getting up? Is it coffee, Zilla? No, of course not. I love coffee, Zilla. That person made it. Oh, that's the other reason the person that we're talking about also made an eight hour podcast was like kill stream Nazis. What the fuck are you talking about? Where they like basically just restream my stream, which I don't have an issue with, but we didn't restrain your stream. You loser kill stream Nazis. Is he talking with this show? He's talking about this show. EFAP. Yeah, that's us. Well, how does it feel? Have any of you been on the kill stream? I think I have once I have once. I'm only aware of it once like years ago. I'm aware of it. I know it's a horrible place. Well, I mean, I argued with Nick Fuentes and other white nationalists. So I guess I'm a Nazi now. And one of the things, the inception of EFAP, I was like, hey, rags, do you know about that? The blood sport shit? You're like, yeah, I was like, we ain't doing that. And you're like, yeah, good. We're doing that. Yeah, we're not we. It is. It is in our manifesto that we don't do blood sports. Don't be pussy guys. You get in there. Look, I recall during early dumping with scrump days, scrump wanted to turn our show into a blood sports show. And I was like, maybe not. No, no. No, we're good. It was you. You've edited the video. That's where he got that talking point, right? Someone in chat said that and he's latched onto it forever. He believes it to be true now for the rest of the day. He's just like, this is a true state. Well, I remember in the first stream that we covered, the the first time he heard of this show was when someone said EFAP reacted to you. And I think his exact words were, fuck EFAP. I'm not watching their dog shit content on the basis of nothing. He didn't even know what it was. He didn't know the content. He didn't know anything about it. But he latched onto that and he's seen someone say this and he's latched onto that forever. And he trips up in that in that what you're referring to there because someone in his chat is like, whoa, whoa, every every frame of painting is an amazing channel. And then he's like every frame of. No, I like that. Wait, what's because wait, his brain was seriously like, whoa, there are two ways that that word can be used. Jesus Christ. What is this? I'm having so much trouble right now. And it's like, yeah, you got to pass it out. The good way to avoid that is when someone says, hey, someone criticised you, don't just immediately say, fuck them and what they make sucks. And similarly, when you're going to say something incredibly actually is really annoying me. Like, I can't believe that you would just see one person say something in chat and then you decide to latch onto it forever in front of a massive audience. But if it helps, especially if it helps your narrative, of course you're going to do the magnitude of that claim. It's not like they said, you know, EFAP have had right wingers on their audience before without checking. You could probably be like, that's probably true. Yeah, you can probably run with that. But kill stream Nazis. Like you might want to confirm that before telling everyone that's what we are. Yeah, like someone in chat just said, Chud logic is a super Nazi and he kicks kittens. Also, he smells bad. So that is clearly, I don't know who this person was. I don't smell bad. It's in the chat. So it must be true. But all that other things had it. So yeah, that guy's got a tick so he must be right. So someone in chat said irresponsible platforming. Well, I would say that it gets worse than that going forward. But in terms of like the nature of what is bad about what he's just said. The aspect of it is so odd, though, is like, you know, is trying to give the best faith response. This is possible. Kill stream Nazis like, but if you watch EFAP, you would more likely be bored by the nerd talk. That is that is the reality of this podcast. Most of the time, yes, I can attest to that. Having been on it, exactly. That is so is anyone actually seen the stuff when we like talk about one movie for nine hours? It's like, this is something we do. It's barely ever anything controversial. Well, I was told by my comments that you somebody here wanted to talk to me about the Mandalorian season one. Shall we divert for the next four hours? Look, we have to show that for another time. No, but yes, I tell you what's happened, right? So there was this analysis about like YouTube algorithms and pipelines and stuff like that. I think there's like some validity somewhere, like I can envision watching Dave Rubin. Speaking of stuff from on you, they watch stuff from on you. Like there's a process there. Maybe that happens, right? Whatever. But I think people like spread that to everything. So it becomes if you watch EFAP and they've had Sargon on once, you're then going to end up watching Sargon and Sargon. Do you know how nobody ever mentions that we have Jay on? Jay is a common guest at this point. The pipeline is the pipeline is only useful when it needs to be useful and it doesn't. Yes, I mean, I feel like you've actually done the thing there. The pipeline goes both ways. There's a pipeline everywhere. It goes all over the place. There is a pipeline. You can just. How do you have said they've gone from like people have gone from like Sargon to Shewan head to Vosh? You know, people say this about the town. What if someone went from Sargon to us? Like they go, I don't you know, I have less political interest. I'd like to talk about movies more. Yeah, we went from Sargon to EFAP to Resident Evil and no, we never get credit for that. I don't think it has to do with your having Sargon or any guests on. I think it has to do with like a lot of the Star Wars stuff where there was sort of this push of like, yeah. Inclusion means you like Star Wars, the new Star Wars movies. And since you guys are critical of it, that means you're anti-SJW Nazis. I did example right. Black Panther was an optical mistake for Mola, even though the only goal he was trying to go at was I didn't think the movie was very good. Right. But like it was a disaster optically. There are a lot of reasons and character reasons why this. You might as well just said this movie's got too many N words hard. And you would have been the same effect, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It helped whatever. Well, how many people haven't even watched the video, right? Like how many people haven't even watched it? Well, they do the thing where they're like, don't you think it's convenient that all the movies in the MCU he's gone after are all female lead or black person lead? It's like, wow. That's not even there's not like they have no idea what I think of or have we literally spent like seven hours when you say that like that, Mola, that is convenient. No, I'm shredded the winter soldier. It's one of the most popular fucking MCU movies. We have to do with winter soldier has gay undertone. So obviously. Yeah, well, you know, they've had trouble maintaining this when we did the arcane coverage because me freeing in rags will basically come out loving the show and it's got two female leads and one of them is a lesbian. So we're in good. OK, they'll just ignore it. They'll just ignore it. I'm on the sigma grind set. So I'm going to show myself right now. OK, there's a video on my YouTube channel, which are all like Twitch edits, right? And I went to my chat and I was like, look, I've spoken to the man himself. OK, the long man. And I'm told that he's not quite as bad as everyone makes out. So what have you got from me? Hit me up. I mentioned this earlier and it was just nothing. No one had anything for me. And I was like getting annoyed and pissed off. And I was like banning people from chat that were giving me shit. But yeah. And this is the thing is when you question it, you kind of realize like, well, actually, maybe I have based this on on like misinformation or not really knowing what's going on. You know, so yeah, I don't know. I think on thing that happens all the time. It's the same thing he did one person. I heard it from a person somewhere. Maybe it's just a random tweet or a random internet comments on a stream or a YouTube video, and that's all it takes. And people latch on to that and then they spread it to other people and it never stops. That's what the truth is now to them. And it only takes one. You'd be aware of this. But like, yes, I made a four hour video shitting on the new Black Widow movie that is female lead. But it baked into that video. You will find it. There's a whole section about how much I like Black Widow as a character and how much she's been ruined. Just like know that it's the video, though. Exactly. So the frustration comes from an appreciation and love for the writing as it were, not as they've done it now. For a woman. No, I think a lot of this just comes from like, even if you're if you're like an anti woke leftist, let's say you're just not a real leftist to a lot of people right now. That's where it is. You might want, you know, a health care system or whatever the fuck. But if you think woke garbage is cringe, then you must be a Nazi. That's just the whole thing. The thing is that a major part of what we talk about here, they would know about it. You know what, they use the one drop rule on that, you know? I mean, yeah, I just think that, like, you know, you can be critical of pandering and stuff like that, you know, without being like insane with it and being like, there's a fucking black person in this movie. It sucks, right? Like, you know, that's a bit of a. But, you know, there's some people who literally the presence of any minority. I think of some like Doomcock, right? Who's got fucking shit takes often about this sort of thing. I don't have anyone's friends with him or whatever. I haven't watched his videos in forever, so I can't say. I know of him. I know the first EFAP you had me on, I think, is when we watched No BS's video. Oh, God. He talked about how vision is like a trans allegory. And Marvel. No bullshit is the Hasan of the. Do you, yeah, Chud, do you know the famous quote from No Bullshit is there's a suspicious amount of women in Black Panther? It's a fucking banger. It's a great. No bullshit is hilarious. You also had debates are gay. Debates are gay. He asked you, Sitch, if you consider yourself white or a Jew first, where do your loyalties truly lie? He called me and he called me a known leftist and Mahler he called. Oh, what did he say about you, Mahler? He said you were anti-whiter or something. He said, fuck, yeah, I can't remember. Do it was hilarious. He had one for each of us. Yeah. No one loved it. Nobs is hilarious. He's such an idiot. I'm not going to say what his name is. Why are we not calling him Nobs? That's it. That's it. It's her name is Nobs, I guess. I mean, it's just kind of died, right? Channel did die, yeah. Yeah. He says you're branding or something. I don't know if he's around. I don't know. I don't know. He's pretty fucked up, isn't he? If you're not making money from YouTube and what's the point, I guess? I don't know. Well, I mean, maybe. Maybe he really believes there are a suspicious amount of women in the world. I think that the apt reason is he's got that mundane matte energy and he is just too stubborn to quit and he will he refuses to quit regardless of what the numbers are. He cannot let it go. Well, you know what? There's actually some respectability in that. Like you're going to keep going regardless. That's the grind set, right? The stick, the grind set. I mean, I don't I don't know if you fellas know his sister as well, but like I know certainly from my content, I used to do more culture or shit and speak about some stuff along those lines. You know, those amongst you that have done that sort of thing in the past. But I think that the appetite for that has really died off. I don't think people really care about whether Superman is going to suck a dick or not as much as a few years ago. I mean, I don't know. Maybe the fan of this type. I think it's bigger than it used to be. So I was actually going to say if anything. Yeah, I think so too. And what's happened, though, is it's splinted into its own thing. It's it's a really powerful and passionate own section of YouTube. It's big and it's I was going to say, yeah, so the most popular regular stream I'm aware of that's not like Tim Pool or Hasan is like Friday Night Tights right now, which is very much about like how Hollywood is fucking up lots of different things through their own interests or whatever. Yeah, maybe it's one sided thing. But like a quartering, you know, if I did a court response, well, I would say it's probably a matter of focus. Oh, sorry. Yeah, there's I think it's a matter of focus. You know, like what is it that you I think that it can be very I think a lot of people like have a lack of awareness of what's going on broadly because they can become quite insulated in their own little circle of the Internet. I think this happens naturally because there's so much about YouTube that you just never really engage with and you forget they exist. Like the the the make up and fashion portion of YouTube is just gigantic. Right. But you just don't think about it because you are suspicious about women involved in that sort of. You know, there are a sufficient kind of women. They say 51 percent of people are women, which is pretty suss. I mean, you believe those numbers. Would you get those numbers from Rags? Fucking the elite. Well, I got it. Well, there's a lobbying group, Big Women, and they push for these sorts of numbers. And it's really I've heard this. I've heard a statistic. Fifty one percent of the women do a hundred percent of the YouTube make up tutorials. I don't know how. Oh, my God. That is despite. Yeah, I know it's it's very strange. Someone should look into this. Hopefully, then that's a great set of points for why we were surprised to hear that Hassan had said Jay was on a Nazi podcast killstream thing. We were like, what the fuck? We are the shittiest Nazis. It comes up light, it doesn't it, right? Well, it's just it's right there, but it gets repeated. This is the this is the origin point. This is patient zero. I can't believe the origin point with someone said it in chat. And then Hassan like some guy. Thousands of people. The important part is he wants to believe that's true, because that's great. Yeah, all you need. Yeah, it's I. I am a little bit upset about that. And that really what are you? What is this first time being called a Nazi? Bring it. Come on. First time. Now it just makes me laugh. It is like, oh, yeah, it is something you unfortunately get used to. Holy fuck. The number of times people start calling me the best Sagan. That's a very offensive to me. And again, I will say it does seem like there's a general lack of awareness of me. Like a lot of people are, oh, yeah, if that's smaller and rags on the other guy. I'm sitting there in the corner, manufacturing my goo. I'm just like, I'm just trying to make goo here, right? I'm just give it give it time sitting in the during my during my Kirby stream this morning, I actually someone asked if I was going on EFAP again. And I was like, yeah, that's a smaller and rags show. Yeah, yeah. What's the other guy start? Oh, but I don't know. I mean, at least for me, it's because smaller and rags that are in like the secret chat and you're in there and people that we can't talk about in there. Oh, oh, yeah, right. Yeah, I'm I'm not cool. I've actually asked to put you in there. I don't know why he hasn't. Damn, who's in charge of the secret chat? It's a secret. It's because of that debate. I know what you're talking about. People are saying poor frongo. I'm appealing to this as kind of a good thing right now, because if I know people forget that I exist when we're being defamed, that's that's I guess it sucks for these two, but for me, I get when like which, by the way, I guess I want to emphasize maybe I was going to leave it to later. Like this is like this is very defamatory. Like I feel like it's important. Oh, yeah, very defamatory. This is the deal with people who can take this on the chin and be like, this is fucked up, but we can move on. But, you know, this is fucked up. It is it is really shitty. It's yeah, like I know that people laugh about it and you laugh about it because you kind of have to. But it's like, this is bullshit. Like you got just all the hundreds of bajillions of people that we're just we're just right. Yeah, this is live stream to like 40 K. And then the VOD is viewed by tens of thousands. And then it gets re-uploaded to YouTube. This does as a second invitation for you to depress me more, but I get well, it's also it's also it's not just us. It's also Jay because people like it was it was. Yeah, it is throw against Jay was not on those streams. No, it's all wrong. Like Jay had nothing to do with this, essentially. It's just saying how wrong it is. If you've been doing this for any length of time, you kind of get used to that sort of thing. But when you really think about it, it's pretty fucked up. It's a shitty part of the territory that you just unfortunately accept as being a part of it. It sucks. And we laugh about it because we know it's ridiculous and we know it's crazy. I remember the first time I was called a sexist on the Internet and those Halcyon days. But nowadays, it's just it's it's just a normal. And you just, oh, well, another day, another. Listen, we live in the age. Nowadays, I am a sexist. Exactly. That's the name. I live in the age that you get chad. Just lean into it, right? I've had a few things where people are called me racist for doing like black face or whatever. And I just go, yeah, I'm a racist. Well, we've done black face. Yeah, did you know? Did you not see the clip? The digital black if you want to see it? If you want to see it, I can see it. I mean, I don't want to take it with a stream. But that's right. No, you did. Oh, don't worry about that on this stream. You you did the the VTuber thing, right? I think I saw that. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I'm able. No, I did. I know. By the way, I do actually follow you on Twitter. Yes, I found you. Oh, thank God for that. You remember now? Jesus Christ. Look, look, do you remember? You catch it. You just remember the fuck are you? Jesus Christ. Listen, I don't live online. And I don't know how many. Yes, you do. When you're not driving to the dumpling store, you're on your white-blooded computer. Well, hold on, hold on, like, I'm still surprised anybody knows who the fuck I am anyway. Yeah, I know why you're Philip. Well, Kevin, I know who you are because there's a few there's a few reasons. One is you're like, sorry, I don't know if I'm talking about it. Do you remember you had that debate with someone at the time that's called Kezbox, right? Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. And I followed that from the sidelines and I was like, oh, God, Kezbox is a bit cringe here because like they filed a DMCA claim against you, but you had been part of the content. So you were like, well, no, I'm part of the content. So it's my content. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that was I was watching you from afar. OK, I was, you know, just looking for the curtain, seeing what you're up to, and it was interesting to watch. You're stalking you. I was stalking. I was e-stalking you. I see, I see, I see. No, you know, let's not make it weird. But, you know, I'll give you an update on that situation. OK, so Kezbox ended up I had to like actually file. So Kezbox ended up taking my phone number and like signing it up to a bunch of shit. So I kept getting calls at all. No way. Oh, really? I was like, thanks. Really? How the hell? How'd you solve that new phone? I should have changed my number. Damn, dude. I changed my number like once every three months at this point because I keep something fucking happens to me. It's been so bad for me sometimes. Jesus, I have just sometimes a day where I swear I'll get a spam mystery call every 30 minutes. And it's insane sometimes. And this emails, Jesus Christ. The phone world we learn? Yeah. I've had my number put out there multiple times. You know, I've been docs a couple of times and just like, well, this is just life now. What was your guys' debate about? I don't even remember. I remember. I remember very well. I think she was being retarded, though. It was socialism or some shit, right? And, you know, basically you had a conversation and like they kicked you out of the call, I think, because it got heated or something, faking like that. I thought you treated quite badly, to be honest. I remember at the time thinking like, oh, this, but I don't really know you. So I was like, fuck it, whatever. I don't know much I can say about it. I think it was just like, I think we're just, I was giving my reason why I think socialism wouldn't work. And I was talking about just like trade and how people who own their own businesses, you know, get on with each other and why it's good if like you value something that somebody else has and you trade for it, you both get more value. Like it was that kind of thing. And then she just raged and kicked me out of the call. Yeah, I do remember that. Listen, and being reminded of it, that was embarrassing. You seem so nice. You're just asking questions and talking. And then she just, it went from zero to 60 really quick. Yeah, yeah. I kind of, I mean, I'm still not a debater, but like that, I think that was my first debate. And I was like, whoa, okay. What did I think? So my first debate was over TLJ with Wolf against some Randy who was obsessed with defending it. Those are the days I remember. Nostalgia. Not so great debate. Famous in the EFAP lore. The EFAP archivists and historians. It's our history. It's where we came from. It's who we are. There's this little debate strategy that people have where basically the aim is to make the other person mad or triggered or something. And then if they leave the call, you've won the debate. Like it's just pathetic really. And you see it all the time. Yeah, we call that strategy the demon mama. Oh. Listen, okay, look, I'm friends with demon mama, okay? So I mean, I don't know if we're going to be able to. I don't know if I'm compromised, okay? I'm going to say that straight away. Understood. Okay. No, that's fine. If you want to talk, that's fine. I'm just, you know, whatever. But like I was going to say, I tried not to do it, but I did debate Lord Patriarchy a long time ago. Remember that guy? Walk on 666. No idea who that is. Oh, come on. You've got to be kidding me. That guy's a fucking legend. I don't know anybody. I just don't know anybody. He's the guy that's the first person beers getting drunk and calling everyone the Esslur because I don't know. Oh, no. He's hilarious. Yeah, sorry. I'm sure this is like a made up boogeyman of bread tube or something. Lord Patriarchy. Lord Patriarchy. No, this guy's fucking legit. He's a demon. He's a paradoxal boy. Okay, right. This is beyond any of you. You've got to watch one of his videos because it's hilarious at some point. I promise you, he calls himself that and it's just pathetic and cringe. But anyway, that's in the past. And redpilled. Chadpilled. Lord Patriarchy. I don't know. I feel like these days, maybe me and the LOP might agree on a few more things. Who knows? You should come on here. You know, when you do that, it's impossible for me to see it as like good faith criticism. So there's that too. There was like literally fucking kills him. I'm glad you just decided that. Oh, there it is again. Awesome. Thanks, buddy. Actually, Nazi's on there. He's full of shit. So if you're doing that sort of stuff, like then I don't think you're doing it in good faith. I think our podcast, while they're watching a guy who streams, why, eight to 10 hours every day. And we don't want to know, man. I never understood it. Why we get a shot on for this. Our podcast has a certain length. But a stream, yeah. Doing the exact same thing. In fact, though, we have more people. So doesn't it make sense that it would? Why do I bother? Yeah, it has always struck me as odd. We're going to make fun of people for making an eight hour video. I'm going to spend 40 plus hours of my life sitting in a cubicle working for someone else in a job that I despise and hate with every ounce of my being. But those people are sad. Oh, at least there's another free will in Hassan's chat saying you're arguing for that. That wasn't Jay's point. Oh, oh, careful. Cello on careful question. The king. It's kind of sad. He's kind of pathetic. And I'm sure they'll keep making more videos over and over again. Here we are. Hello. We are back in action. We haven't decided a while. But yeah, I'm sure he'll be very upset that we've decided to drudge up this old drama to try and get clout, because that's the only reason we could ever have to do anything. Well, because we were talking about other stuff for a while, like arcane. But we legitimately like I don't know if anyone believed this, but like I couldn't make those super cuts because I was busy making TFA part four. And I was like, well, we've still got arcane to talk about the Batman Boba Fett. Like I can't do the Hassan stuff yet. You have to wait. Boba Fett. Like we would rather talk about a show that was at the time months old and we didn't even know if people were going to be like as caring about it. We did it for three streams in a row because we just really liked arcane, right? Right, stuff. It is good, right? Ultimately, what I am going to do is like, yeah, I get up when a fucking video is playing from time to time. OK. Was that him looking for stuff in chat, do you think? I was in this. Isn't this something it's so so maybe that was his conscience saying you look at the screen. It's like peering into the mind, right, when people when somebody when like a stream is like, hold on, let me look up their Twitter or let me look up the Wikipedia to see if I can find anything to instantly shit on them. It's something. Yeah, that's become become really popular. Let me see if I can find something that I could use to immediately write somebody off. Hey, look, he's pretty bad faith, all right. Super bad faith, not like me. Good faith, that's odd. The reason why I don't pause it when I get up is because I care about the content above all else. I care about you guys being entertained. OK, I cut. I care about steering above all else. It's that I care about you. OK. Yeah, I'm actually the good guy here. It's not about his benefits from this. It's about chats. Well, of all else, you know what your problem is? You care too much. And I know that if I fucking if I pause the video, you guys are going to be fucking annoyed. You'll be like, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, no, I'd rather play it on my phone. Capitulate to your demands and watch. Even though I'm not transforming the content, I must capitulate to the demands to know these. He's made it chat's fault now, which is incredible. It is a fault of my chat. Somehow I've made this fault of chat while I get up, you know what I mean? While I get up and answer the door, get the deliveries, fucking, you know, even in the two things that come to mind for like why you would ever get up and leave at the deliveries, the door. Oh, look at that message for me. The same this same person is devasted, devastated with an eye doctor who fans because they send their horde of reactionaries to attack people with a different opinion. Nice. Oh, horde of reactionaries. Hey, they are not a horde. They are a cabal. Get them straight. I like how someone says so. We just have to sit here in silence. It's like, surely his son has enough money that he could like just buy some licenses for some song play his own content. Or play his own content. You got a wealth of free music on the alternatively. You could just leave. It's silence. These are all options before just stealing people's content. All right. Yeah, they always treat it like, oh, I got to go, guys, Oz. I'll be back in a moment. It takes a while to get from one side of the mansion to the other to get this delivery. I'll be back. Imagine imagine he has this just be a actually really cool gimmick, I think. He just has like cameras in his house that he'll cut to as he walks around. Just to prove that I really am going. I watch cooking. I am watching the video while I play the video. I'm going to go to the room now and then like the camera cuts. I should be really cool. That'd be a cool idea or motion detected. Yeah, I should copyright this and then do something with it. Pat since you mean you need to patent this. Oh, right, right. So OK, either way, it where I'm off camera, either way, patent brings going to beat you up. All right, sporadically, when I am cooking. So it's so bizarre to me because the idea that you are currently streaming and also you are cooking like I couldn't imagine streaming and be oh, guys, I got to go and cook a meal. I'll be back later and then just get up and fuck off while the stream's running and someone's video is playing. I'm OK with it. If you imagine you could leave. I mean, this is a this is an idea we flowed right. But for the the long boy anniversary streams, we do like what if we pre-recorded a 12 hour stretch with a bunch of coverage? We can put that between two live 12 hour ones. So that means me, Fring and Rex can actually get some sleep. You know, so then it's it's like a constant. It's a thirty six hour series of live content for the people at home. But a lot of it is when we're not even there, but but it's us, you know, it's still us from the past, you know, so it's so it's nice and ethical. I'm a genius for coming up with that. OK, you're a genius. It's brilliant. Hasan would never think about a you should write it. What, you know, of course, of course, I'm going to do that. And I don't I don't understand. What is this? I don't understand. Well, man, I don't how do you how how 40,000 where it's like, so. So like how what I don't know. The real reason why I don't care about it for the most part is because you do 90 percent, like I said, but that's what the YouTuber want. Disrespect. So that right there is pretty strong proof of such as theory. He literally was reading in the middle of him saying stuff for some reason. And then he just decides to click on it to find out who you are. He's going to get you. Look out. Do you guys ever? Had you guys ever do the thing or I guess realize the thing where you've been typing and then as you're typing something, you look away or you're listening to something and then you realize that you sort of just your typing has melded your original thoughts with whatever you are listening to or watching and you're like, oh, whoops. Yeah, that's. Like, wait, what do you mean? They don't even say they don't even want to say don't react. They say that leaving videos only and leaving disparate with the creator and they just want people to be more transformative. OK, but that's the react harder argument. And most of it's a good one. Yes, that's full. That's water, but Hitler drank water. I don't know, man, I guess. Creators that are quite literally in here like Nick is not green, for example, is a great example of this. Like these are people from this community as well. Like they don't mind it. Like 90 percent of creators don't mind it. And I do react hard, OK? I react so fucking hard. Why does he make that? So surely surely like is it's a son? Can he never like try and connect two pieces together? Like to try and figure things out that like, oh, the majority of people are in favor of it. Therefore, I can. Which is how do you not draw the connection that there are a lot of things that exist that protect minority groups like as a principle on the idea that you want to, whether or not most people are cool with it, you're trying to appeal to some core principle. How does he not like how? How does he say that without like ever stopping on? Well, wait a minute, what about this counter argument to that claim? Wait a minute, what if not? Everybody is in favor of it. Like how is why is it not his own words should be enough? I mean, by him saying because he just made the fuck up that 90 percent. It's a constantly changing number. But he just said 90 percent of people are OK with it, which means that in his mind, one out of 10 people that he does this to, he's stealing his content from. I guess you just say it's a calculus, right? Like nine times out of 10, it's going to be fine. So screw the one out of 10 people who are going to be upset. I'll shoot first questions later, which is the response. Every time someone says, I have a problem with any instance of it. And then he's like, yeah, but it doesn't happen all the time, which is not a response like that doesn't need to happen all the time. It's it's not it's it's a total non sequitur. You're appealing to a principle. There are entire memes about how much I pause. We totally forgot about this for some weird reason, because one content creator with a relatively sizable audience that has partnered up with a bunch of other content creators who just fucking despise me. OK, but I do kind of. But like, that's got nothing to do with my arguments. OK. We despise you because of this. You've you've not helped in alleviating like this. I mean, am I allowed to have some negative feelings toward the person who said I run a kill stream? Nazi thing like, come on. You did call us Nazis. That's not that's not kind of like we lose a lot of but this is not what we are. Why should we be friendly to you after this? Like, what the hell? Well, OK, there's a there's a wider thing at play here, which I notice because I'm, you know, more involved in some of these spaces, maybe there's some of your perhaps. But people will attack and I spoke about this earlier. I think people will attack you and you'll be like, well, hey, fuck you, bitch, you're a fucking piece of shit. And then they'll go, oh, no, what are you doing? You can't attack. That's wrong. You know, and it's like, well, you fucking instigated it, right? Like, you fucking started this. We're going to be a fucking Nazi. I think a lot of people don't realise when they've instigated. I think a lot of people don't understand like the it's I'm pretty sure we even talked about it last week. It's when people infer from tone. So someone can be like very calmly, basically call you a terrible person. And then if you respond with a fuck you, you're perceived as being the person who started the fight. Even though you're responding to a pretty negative thing that was said about you, I think the snarky, the snarky sort of like, oh, the snarky shit pisses me off so much, right? It's like, I can be a bit snarky. I think we all can. Jesus fucking Christ, you know, they'll say it in the right way or the right tone and it's a snarky, passive, aggressive shit. It furiates me and I pop off and they're like, oh, you're in the wrong for getting angry. I think they know what they're doing. I was going to say, like, I think they maybe deliberately what were you describing for me being like, yeah, victimhood or victimization is the currency right now, especially in leftist spaces. Check cash, man. Yeah, so it's not just that. It's also that I think they genuinely believe in the power dynamic of if you have a lot more followers and therefore bring down a lot more noise in the mentions tab, then farming clout off, you should be fair game, but you shouldn't be able to hit them back or else they're fair because you have five followers and they have 50,000. I think that's where a lot of the trouble that Destiny gets into on Twitter comes from is that people will just say like the worst shit about him with with no no proof whatsoever. And then he says, hey, you're retarded. And then they're like, oh, my God, how could you do this to me? Well, I'm getting harassed by DGG. I feel like that has to stem from a lack of an understanding that like we are all individuals at the end of the day. We are people and we all have generally, you know, like, yeah, it is that whole thing of, well, you've got a big platform. It's like, true, we're all people, though, like at the end of the day. It's not like something that you say is necessarily going to be less upsetting. Well, do we have the backwards perspective to a lot of people? And I always found it baffling, right? Because it's like, if I said to you, freeing you 12 angry men video is just filled with lies, then you go, what the fuck? And I'm like, OK, so you're clearly being meaner and ruder than I am. It's like, how? How could I put? Like, you said something way worse than what I said. It's like, no, you have said something. Well, yeah, it's like if someone says, hey, Fringy, fuck you. It's like, that's that's that's not as harsh as someone said, like, Fringy, every aspect of your being I loathe. I despise you are you are a rat. You are, you know, you're like what they said. And then they say, like, but I'm not angry, though. At the end, it's like, you know, it's like that's way worse. Let's call it what it is. OK, it's the postification of the Internet, right? Some of these people don't know how fucking lucky they got it. Ten years ago, it was Sler City, right? It's so fucking sanitised now. You can exist online with all the tools you've got in relative peace. If you don't get harassed, you don't want to get fucking cooled slurs and stuff like that, but it's still not fucking enough for some of these people. They want more and more and more and more. And I'm fucking sick of it. They want more when they receive, but they want to have complete freedom when they give. Yes, right. I'll clarify, Chad, I'm not like rats are neutral. To be a rat isn't either good nor bad. You're great. Why are you clarifying the way I am pro rat? You know, as an animal, I love rats. I do have I do have an animal affinity and I feel bad for rats. I feel bad for a lot of the animals that have like the bad reputation, which is kind of funny because yeah, well, yeah, I feel bad. Pigs are intelligent, my dude. They're they're cool. I like pigs. I've actually got a picture saved on my desktop right now. It's just a little piggy. Yes, I have a picture of a pig. I've saved it on my computer. I have pigs on the Internet. They're free. You can take them home. You can take them home. I haven't. I have that piggy face right there. Look at him. Look at that critter. How can you hate him? Look at him. I love him. I think people hate pigs. Put it on screen. Great. He's great. I'm doing it for you. I'm doing it just for you, man. Wait, yeah. Actually, yeah, yeah, Chad, that was my topic of my video today was just how crucified the Internet has become because that that one 17 year old kid who is just going off on a stream, he's now been banned from fucking everything. That kid was fucking based. OK, that was all the energy we used to have. Yeah, that was all of the Internet. It used to be. And you know what? It made you tough and resilient and then nothing bothered you because we. Yeah, sorry. I just got to put it because he put he put the little piggy on screen and then also cut to that Dark Souls boss. Was it Atreus or no, no. Atreus is Kratos' kid. What's his name? Artorias is either Artorias or Dancer. I can't remember my background. But look at this little pigs. Pigs are interesting little critters. Well, little that this one's a little pig, but then there's the big pigs and they they're pretty intelligent. Apparently, they're quite social. Yeah, animals are awesome guys. Like animals are really neat. You can find something interesting about a lot of animals that otherwise have kind of negative reputations. For instance, hyenas, when they laugh, they're not happy. They're actually quite distressed. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's very high in is very social creatures as well. They're super. They hang out in parks and they really like each other. Now talk about mosquitoes. I look, all right, mosquitoes, you know, you know, not every not every animal is a banger going to say it. Well, no, because some animals, you know, it's just like when you think about a piggy, it's like so not only a piggy is super cool and friendly, but they're also smart boys to sitting in their little recliners reading books about they're reading all this Huxley. They're reading about that. And they're like, indeed, while smoking on a pipe taking over animal farms, you know, the whole bit. Yeah, I get. Why didn't I say George Orwell? That's a way better. Well, why would they be? Because George Orwell makes them look bad. Oh, well, sure. But I mean, just because I mean, but I mean, look, Hassan's trying to make us look bad. That doesn't mean we're not going to see what he has to say and respond. Yeah, but I still think a lot of pigs would be like, I'm not going to read that. It's just it's insulting to me. This pig was curious. He wanted to see what was going on. Maybe he was. Or maybe he doesn't know about Animal Farm and he's just like, yeah, I love Orwell's other stuff. Yeah, you know, 1984, that was a really cool book. Let me read Animal Farm. Oh, oh, damn. I hope he doesn't feel this way about old pigs. Geez. It's like discovering a streamer through that one video that's like their only good video. And they're like, what else did they do? Oh, oh, shit. Yeah, it's like me, which I'd logic. Well, nothing. What was this good one? What? All right, let's what do we have for us? There's this notion on the internet that like I don't fucking react hard or something. Oh, I wonder where that comes from. Yeah, no idea where I could possibly come from. There's a reason why people call me pause and not be. It's so weird that people are now saying, like, when he joins, did you say you're going to eat something and leave him alone with your chair for 30 minutes? That's why I'm like so confused by this. This is a wild take. And it speaks to the power of compilations. I have eight hours of streaming you can watch. And it's like people are asking me. The power of compilations doesn't even make sense as a counter. It's like, yeah, they show you leaving. That's what that's the requirement. Yeah. It's not even a well, yeah, because it's always remember to you, it doesn't matter. But to that guy, that was their video that they worked on. To them, they have suffered the entirety of the harm, even if you don't do it often. That person is still being detrimental by what you've done. So it doesn't matter whether or not. Compilations are proving to people that, yes, it happens at some point. Though it's just an example. Yeah, exactly. Well, compilations show me doing the ones that I've shown there are the ones you guys have seen before because I never watched two streams of Hassan's and I managed to collect like six examples. That's not a good ratio. Well, I've just clicked over to his stream. He's got pulled up something called playing it straight season one episode one US reality TV show. So my presumption is that that's going to be what he's going to be watching now. Yeah. So I'm glad to see that he's doing it for the fans. He's doing it for the fans, yeah. Because he's doing it for a chat, it's for a chat. Basically asking me to change the way I do the stream, but they've never watched the stream. I did. It was horrible. So it doesn't even matter if, well, it's how hilarious is this considering he hasn't watched Jay's video or our coverage? And yet he's called his kill stream. That is Jay's bad faith in the bad video. You can smell us out. This is like a good point of that out because it's just such a the most standard straightforward hypocrisy. But I don't think he'd ever give a fuck. He'd be like, I can tell their bad faith. You guys shouldn't be able to tell I'm bad faith. It's smelling on your soul. The stink of it. Stinky bad faith. The famous one. Like if you were a stream watcher and that was something that was like frustrating you, that's a little bit different. You know what I mean? But you don't watch the stream. You've never watched stream. You've only seen compilates. Don't tell me I didn't watch it. I did. It was horrible. Patience of it. Also, it doesn't matter. We can be upset at your behavior, even if we didn't partake in it. Yeah. A false notion that I do this thing where I just like fucking play a video and move on, play a video and move on. I'm an idiot. I'm a dumb bimbo. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know how the fuck it turned into like, dude, you're not reacting hard enough to the videos. You can say that about anyone, by the way, for the record. No, you can't. You really can't. So that that clip before this one where he was like giving an interview, was that from the interview where he basically he like laid out his past and how he came to be? Yes, he completely ignored the fact that destiny basically made him. Yes, he practically stole destiny's history. Like, all this shit destiny done. Our history. He was like, yeah, that's me, by the way. I crafted this space. I took the risk. It's like, oh, man, it's kind of like the you remember the Simpsons when they made Fidel Castro and they've got the trillion dollar bill and he's like, can I just take a look at it? And he looks at it. It's like, now give it back. You want back? Sorry, I had to find a way to get a Simpsons meme in there. Maybe there's a more apt one coming down the line. Hold on, I'll crack my brain for some of those memes. You can say that about anyone. And there are instances where like, if your argument is if your argument is don't watch my videos on stream. OK, I don't want you reacting to my videos valid. I will never do that again. Keep saying. Over and over again, it's valid. I'll never do that again. It's like, you're missing the point. If your argument is you have to transform it or ask for permission, that simple is watch my videos, but watch them harder, OK, and like react to them harder. Then that's fucking ridiculous. There you go. So there it is. It's ridiculous for me to react harder. Can't you see this is the apex reaction content? This whole narrative of being like, I totally agreed with Jay. Now Jay is struggling. I was like, no, this was Jay's point since the beginning. You just somehow never gathered it. I just don't know how even that. Well, I wonder if it has anything to do with not having watched Jay's video, you know, that might explain it a bit. You read Jay's comment out loud. Jay's comment was made so clear. He's totally forgotten about it. Or he chooses to ignore it because he can't defend it on that on that part. I would rather assume stupidity over like malice with him. Yeah, sure. After everything we've seen. Maybe I need more from this. We'll see. Well, his argument. I mean, he just said free use is a ridiculous argument. That's what he just said. He said transformative content. Yeah, he said, oh, if you're if you're saying that I should react harder. Well, that's what making something transformative is. You can extrapolate the argument, but you can't. I don't think you can say he made that argument because I don't know if he knows that he made that argument. That's essentially what he would be alluding to. You're correct. Yeah, but I extrapolate in the logic, but I don't know that he's done that. You know, he'd be like, oh, no, I don't. I'm not saying that. Oh, no. Maybe. Do you know what I mean? This is what I mean, man. How come I got fucking hit? I know HBO for commenting on John Oliver for five hours, but it's not just walk away from the damn shared. It's fine. It's just got nothing to stop that in place at the moment. So you have what you do. I'm sorry. I got, I got a sad again. You can't like sit there and be like, yeah, alternative media, not like all those shit mainstream media outlets when you do this and you just watch the full coverage from like a mainstream media outlet. I made that go by pretty fast. You guys do register just how much he did there, right? Like how fast that's better. Okay. And like react to them harder than that's fucking ridiculous. You know what I mean? Look at how fast we're going. John Oliver has a team that he pays writers, researchers, editors, camera people, other correspondents. That all costs money. It's ridiculous. And if the fact that he's trying to argue is like, yeah, okay, if you look at a compilation, he probably argued like, what is this taken from like years? And it'd be like two streams, man. Two. It's very frustrating that people are now like making it seem like I just fucking sit around and don't do anything. Well, to be fair, he's not sitting around. He's actually out of the seat. No, Bernie's sitting around. Bernie's sitting there. Yeah, Bernie's reacting. That's right. I would much rather see what Bernie said is to which stream would look like. It feels like that'd be really funny. And I know immediately when someone makes that fucking meme that they just don't watch. I watched it and I made the compilation. Do I qualify in your world? Well, but he doesn't even know what it means to watch it. Yeah. Has he seen any of these compilations? Can he even comment on them? They just don't watch at all. This is all for two streams? Two streams. How often does he get out of the chair? The reason why I'm saying all this is so that we can, I guess, make a YouTube video or something. Eventually. Yeah. So just so you guys know, he cuts this, all you're about to see in this video, he eventually puts into his YouTube channel as well. The video saying that we're all kill stream Nazis. Like, woohoo, multi coverage. Bring it on. So that people can understand. What I feel is there are moments where I'm not all there. I believe you. I believe you. Just there at all. I believe you. 10 hours a day. There are moments when I go up and go up and pee. The reason why I don't pause it is because if I did that, everyone would be super fucking pissed. Yeah, let him be. And I care about making sure that, I care about making sure that you guys are entertained. Like that's what I care about more. Just more than anything else. Okay. I like that appeal though. I want to make sure that you guys are entertained. It's not that I want to risk potentially losing viewers. Or people getting annoyed at me or. Well, yeah, the reality is if you, you know, you're going to drop viewers if you. So that's what he's worried about. That's his primary concern. So that was far as I can tell. Like that, you know, I don't know what this is. This is cope about like, oh, I'm just trying to keep you entertained guys. Yeah, because you don't want to fucking lose the viewers. Yeah, as if there's no other options though. I'm just. Exactly. It's about him. It's not about. It's not about people being entertained and being feeling good. It's the bottom line of I don't want to lose viewers and thus be less popular. Simple. Also, this is artwork. Holy fuck. I just saw that. Yeah. Now. So this is Zigzor. Z I G G Z O R. You know, you this is what he did last. The line up here. Oh, this one. Yeah. And then there's also that Kirby one. I saw that in Twitter before. Oh my God. Let me get that one up to that. Kirby one's awesome. All right. This is this production we're running here. It's just so slow sometimes. Mm hmm. Here we go. I like my Eldridge Kirby. Yeah, it's cool. All sorts of stuff. Yeah. Wouldn't surprise me that Jay would. I like my Furby. That sites on Furby too. Yeah. That sites on Australia. And then it's goo after after draining all the rhino milk from Wakanda. It's my goo. It's not. It's not. It's not. Well, it looks like at this point in time, you've packaged it and selling it. So it's all good, right? No, this is just somebody's idea of a future that may. Yeah, there's points. It's, you know, we're not. Future. Yeah, we're not there. Exactly. Maybe this is a future. Maybe this is an alternate reality where this is what's happened. But that's not the reality that we're in. Anyway. All right. And I care about making sure that. I care about making sure that you guys are entertained. Like that's what I care about more. I just that more than anything else. Okay. Your crime is you can't. I care more about. I care more about entertaining chat than the craft and the principle and the legal. Which is bullshit. It's not about chess. It's about him. What can I say? That's what I care about incentivized. More. Just that more than anything else. Okay. And your crime is you can't do much. And the reason why I don't think people give a shit about that overall. Like I don't think content creators themselves get like super fucking mad about that overall. Clearly. That's not true. Because the response to jazz video has been broadly positive. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Hang on. There you go. The discord icons are fixed. My bad. Is because. They like it when we're watching their videos. Okay. For the most part. 99.9% of content creators love it. That statistics changed again. Yeah, I know. We went from. Confidence saying that. I don't know. How many people have been told. Well, because the statistic is conveniently in favor of his argument that nobody's made a counter to. Very conveniently in favor. Yeah. Nobody's countering the argument though that most people are probably okay with it. Makes it weird though that Joe would make a video that is broadly positively received. And that there were actually tons of people who were credit. I mean, if 99.9% of people agree, why are you even being criticized? Surely that would be like a. It would be negligible. You never hear it. It would never make its way to you because it would never be propagated because people were like, oh, that's stupid. You're one of those. You wanted those 0.01% of people. Wow. Whatever. This despite 10% of YouTubers complaining that Hassan steals our content, they make 100% of anti Hassan. Oh, yeah. You're right. Oh, damn. He said nine out of 10. Right. And now it's 90% before and now it's 99.9. And then it was 99.9 on the meme too. I mean, one out of 10, one out of 10,000. That's fine. It's fine. It's the same content creator. I love it when people fucking react to my videos. I don't care if they're like not reacting hard enough. Good for you. Don't give a fuck. That's your choice. It doesn't matter what you think. You can extrapolate that to everyone based off a sample size of you. You have done the study. Or whatever the fuck. It doesn't matter. The thing is, you know, you could just ask. You could just literally message them and be like, hey. Well, calm down. It's funny you say that because when our relevant is told that in his stream, he fucking rages out on his chatter and he says, ah, the fuck. Am I going to ask Jay permission to watch his video? He's like, oh, shit. When consent is implied or something, consent is assumed. You're trying to make me burn all my bridges today. I say it is. No, you don't have to say. I will say is, you know, even people in my chat who also watched really said, hey, like, you know, really had some bad points on this. And I've not watched any of the coverage that much. So I can't really say either way. But yeah, you know, based on what I've heard, it sounds like he had some weird takes on it, which was seemed out of character from what I know of really, but I don't know. So context less without context of anything. Would you ever say the statement consent is assumed? Um, no, I mean, that's not the right temperature for that sort of comment. You know what I mean? I mean, we're still not through the me too shit. So your conversation going on. Okay. Where it goes. I don't think these Hassan even knows these guys exist. And so I said, no, no, he, he said, uh, they're killstream Nazis. And then the person says, well, not far from the truth from what I know about him, what do you know about us that confirms with killstream Nazis? Go ahead. Refutable proof that we're Nazis provided by that. Why is everyone so comfortable with calling people Nazis? What happened? It's the gas mask. Yeah, probably. Okay. There's another comment from my chat as well. I just want to bring up. So can we just clarify something? I don't know. It's actually, is it a clarification on all ends? Okay. What's this? What? Okay. Does everyone here know who book smarts is? I'm aware of them. I'm aware of them. Okay. They're like a streamer. They're from Destiny's community. They give destiny rhetoric advice and coaching. Right. Um, now in the course of the coverage, a relevant made a comment about books and some people are saying he was talking about book smarts to the person. Definitely wasn't. Definitely. You were saying he's talking about books. To know. So he basically says he hates long form content because it reminds him of books. And then he says books will oftentimes repeats the points throughout every fucking page. I don't think he's talking about book smarts. Yeah, he said, yeah, he said page. And why would he refer to book smarts as books? Is that like a common nickname for him? Cause I didn't know that. Well, okay. The nickname I came up when book smarts had something like a kind of falling out. We're on good terms, but I called him book retard and that kind of spread. He hated getting called. The same with book fucker. A book fucker doesn't hit so hard, does it? You know, I want to just go in retard. What a terrible place to get a paper cut. Sorry. I'm just, cause I'm skulking around there. Ifap is typically right-leaning, but simply just typically conservative stuff. I don't like their opinions a lot, but it's a lot to do with the echo chamber effect. I will say we've gotten to fights with our audience pretty consistently. And we don't even ban them. The only thing that gets you banned is TOS and spam. If you say you hate us all, you're on to stay. Dude, we mainly just talk about movies and video games. Yeah, it's weird to say they do a lot of conservative stuff. I'd just be like, really? I'd be confused on exactly how. I legit don't actually know what they're referring to. I don't know. But hey, that's better than Nazi, I suppose. Again, man. Moving up. Look at the quote tweets on that meme. The quote tweets on the meme that I posted this morning. It's literally everyone being like, dude, that's all you do is your leech. You're just an entirely bad person. Maybe just 99.9. And that's a statistic that I pulled myself on, so it's all good. Neon Taster, you didn't react to Jay's content. You took a shit while playing his video on stream. Honestly, it'd be different if you only did a massive 0.9% of people were cool with it. Damn it. This is the 0.1%. They're all acting. Very loud. All on Twitter. The chief and TV shit show, but full channel five videos with barely any reaction sucks. I really don't think many of those views will rewatch the video again. But who knows? First of all, the funny part of it is there are people who like don't understand content creation or why it's actually good. Please explain to us how much you understand about content creation. He's about to pull the content creator card on us. And then we're going to, I'm looking forward to asking you guys when, what year you started, because he's going to pull a year on it. Reactive videos. So they think like they operate off of like the one, the one YouTuber that they like that said this guy sucks. So they're thinking all YouTubers feel this way when that's not the case. Most YouTubers don't mind that. I actually love that shit when Twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bump. Yeah, I asked a load of YouTubers if they would be okay with it and most of them said no. Like I've been a content creator for 10 years, man. I know like can people at some point be like, okay, maybe you know what you're talking about. So he's been for 10 years. What kind of fucking timeline do you guys have? I'm actually going to Google a movies release because I'll know from that when I first made a video. Well, I mean, before this, he didn't make content his own. Did he work for his uncle at TYT? Yes. This is the thing, right? So I don't know if you know much about his background. Hassan Piker is actually referenced in the page for nepotism. That's how crazy it is, right? Yeah, there's a funny story with that. So Hassan fan tried to delete the reference from the page because it's embarrassing. And I watched it on stream and I was like, well, this is bullshit. And one of my viewers went and changed it back. So we managed to keep him on there. But but yeah, he worked for TYT. So like his involvement on knowledge of what content creation is, is massively like he left college and was plucked for like a internship at TYT. And then he ended up like hosting a show because obviously his uncle was Cenk Yuga. He likes to act like it was partly the Sigma grind set. But let's be fucking real, we know what's going on, right? If your uncle is a media company, come on. To just do it quickly. We could all do it if you really want it. But the first video I ever made, I remember happening one or two years after Jeepers Creepers 2 came out and it was a video of 10 screenshots and a backing track. And then me talking about why I thought some movie monsters were better than others. And Jeepers Creepers is one of the ones that was in there. So that would have been what, 20, 20, 22? Well, it would have been when YouTube started basically. And that was like the first things I ever tried to do. Then I recorded some track mania while playing it. And Steve made that into some videos. Then I started to try and do some Let's Plays. Then I moved on to doing Let's Plays that were like reviews at the same time of games and stuff. And then I wrote out my first attempt at doing a full breakdown of Machine for Pigs because I was really pissed off with it. And then I made it. And then I started streaming on Twitch, I think, while making videos like that until I eventually made the TLJ stuff and that just boomed my YouTube off so I decided to focus films. And here we are. So that's more than 10 years to get fucked. I outclass you, buddy. Maybe you should listen to me about that. Anyone else have an interesting YouTube history? You were creating content on your own and uploading it. You were an actual content creator. I wouldn't call someone who is hired by a network who, you know, they sit on a chair and they, you know, read lines or whatever. I don't know if that's fair to call that person a content creator in the same vein. It's a pretty broad labeling. I mean, he's not making a point right now anyway. It wouldn't fucking matter. If you're a person working for one year hardcore and learning everything about the industry and every program and how mechanically everything works and all the statistics, they would know a shit ton more than someone who's worked on it for 20 years but only ever done streaming blogs of talking about their day. Like, you're probably, you know, we all know how this works. Everyone's got a different amount of information they can gather and understand from all kinds of different places. But he's just saying, I got 10 years as if that like, 10 years of what being aware of YouTube is like at that point I'm pretty sure all of us still beat him. Yeah, absolutely. And when it comes to just your work put into the content and pride in what we do easily. So I guess for me, if you actually wanted everyone to do this, I started, I recorded videos in 2008 but didn't upload them till 2009. And that's when the channel actually started. And it was animator views and it was basically like a clone of something that you would see on that guy with the glasses which was big in 2008. Changed focus to Let's Play a couple years later. Had like a few videos that did very well but otherwise like the channel was kind of going nowhere. Did Gamergate content in 2014 which started, which kind of moved me into politics and now I'm in politics. And things are going pretty good in politics. Who's next? Take the mic. Mine isn't that interesting. So I'll go quickly. I've only been streaming for like two years but due to my raw sigma energy it's going pretty well. I don't know. I know what's what. That's it. Well, just to make it slightly more fleshed out was it you were watching Twitch never like I could do this? Yeah, I mean to be honest, I did used to like kind of be a bit of a like anti-SJW type watching Sargon and all that shit. And then I kind of changed perspectives a bit. Always had an interest in making content but to be honest it was like Vosh that watching Vosh was the thing that made me think hey, I think I can do this. You know, I'll give it a go. And it kind of went from there. I started a Twitter account and started streaming on Twitch and from there it's grown basically. Well, we've got three left. I think I was I started like regularly uploading in 2013 but I definitely was like interested in YouTube for a long time before that and then it was like little pivot animations. I don't think I've uploaded those. I wanted to do machinima for a while back in the early like 2007-2008 days when that was popular. I remember I think the idea I had was I can make a machinima in Super Mario Galaxy with a camcorder set up on like a stand in front of the TV. I can do it. Hold on, hold on. Are you also going to have a stereo in the background playing Linkin Park? I'm not sure if I ever wanted to use Linkin Park. I might have because I was definitely at the time. Yeah, people played Linkin Park. Oh, yeah. I remember that. I think I've told the story. This isn't even really because it's not related to YouTube. Oh, man, I remember I really liked Pivot. I was really into it because I've always loved animation. I think you've told the story. But it's okay. I have. Yeah, I was doing a Pivot animations and it was I remember I'd made three episodes of it. I think it was called, yeah, I think it was called Gangsters. That was the name. It was these three guys just going on adventures that actually had very little to do with crime or anything. It was just like Boba Fett. Kind of, except I don't know. I think that there was. Wow. I probably shouldn't say that about my own work, that there might have been a little bit more artistic merit to the stupid idea that I had. And I remember I really liked the chicken fight and family guy. And I decided for episode three, I was going to animate this big chicken fight, not with the chicken that was going to be between these two characters with lots of collateral damage. And I worked on it for I think a couple of months. I think I worked on it for like two or three months. It was getting pretty long. It was even a few minutes. And then I decided one day, you know, I'm going to also start working on another project. And I worked on it for about an hour and just out of habit and instinct, I saved over the file that I'd been working on for months. I was very, very, very upset. You learned a lesson that day. I learned a very valuable lesson, which is now I basically never overwrite saves ever. I always have stuff backed up and I make sure that I've got things copied and I'm always paying attention to that and make sure that I don't. So it was a harsh lesson. And I have no doubt that it actually turned me off of doing more animation stuff for a time there. Yeah. Which I don't know about how that one decision might have changed some of the other decisions I made in terms of my pursuits. But yeah, that was, yeah. So the long story short is I've been interested in the creating of content for a very long time. But YouTube actually has been nine years in about a month, I think. Rags and stitch you almost left. Oh, I don't, it's nothing too exciting or crazy. I just thought it would be a, I've been aware of YouTube for years and years before I actually started making content on it. And it was fun and to kind of listen to people and to imagine myself as some, you know, a professional opinion haver giver. And so I just kind of started doing it. It was a little creative hobby. And then it became a viable job. And so I slowly weaned myself off of a more typical job and eventually went part-time with that and then transitioned into YouTube and then got into the streaming thing here in eFap. And it's kind of bouncing around doing things and yeah. But not for ten years though. So you should listen to Hassan, yes? Yeah, I really should. There's so much that we, I mean, unironically, there is so much we could learn from Hassan, though maybe not in the flattering way he thinks. I mean, I basically have the exact same story as Rags. I just said, hey, I can have opinions on the internet too. That was fun. Let's do that. And it was fun and I did enjoy it. It was a fun hobby, creative outlet. It's funny for Hassan because he's giving his ten years of experience. This is his argument for why he knows that content creators want you to steal their shit and play it. And most of his experience before Twitch, or not all of his experience before Twitch, was when he was working at TYT where he's getting paid by TYT. He's not getting paid via how many people view his content. So it doesn't really matter if people are watching TYT stuff and reacting to it and TYT is losing out from it. He's not directly affected by that since he's getting a steady paycheck. Yeah. Well, you know what? I take from all of that that he is in luck because he's saying like, you know, I'm dealing with a lot of people who don't even understand the content game. It's like, you know what all six of us do? I would be saying seven, but Adam is apparently dead. I don't know. Adam is dead. With Hasan, I think his background was that like his father was very rich or his grandfather was very rich or something too. And isn't that where Chank, I think, got the money to start TYT in the first place. I got no clue. I just know that he was like just fostered and had held into all the stuff that he's managed to achieve. All right, Chank. I'll give you this big loan for your news company. Just promise me you won't call it something stupid. Okay. No promises, sucker. And the other thing as well is like, you know, he's always got Chank on the on the line if he's up. Like, remember the, you know, America deserved, you know what, right? Now, look, that was a spicy comment. But, you know, who's on fucking TYT a couple of days later? Like, yeah, I fucked up, you know, basically just on his uncle's media platform to wash away his image issues. It's just like, he's always got that in the back burner. You know, it's like, you know, if things get really fucked up, right, you know, you could go instead with your parents, right? Basically, Hasan's got that, but with a massive media platform. We fucked up. Yeah. We talk about the safety net, right? How far can you fall? There's only so far that Hasan could ever fall because of just his connections that he was just locked into by virtue of the family that he was born into. There's a big old Trambambeline, right? Belief him and he goes all the way back up. The real person here that's really mad has got to be Chank, okay? Because Hasan now is more popular and bigger than him and it's just him staring. Yeah, he's just, it's just him in a fucking chair staring at the screen, like watching MasterChef. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, Chank works other than Hasan. I know. Oh, yeah. Like TYT, at least they built up this company and it was like a show and there's all this production that goes into it. If I was Chank, I'd be so upset. Also, isn't TYT kind of like slowly on the decline nowadays? Oh, it's been. Presumably, yeah. I don't hear from them anymore. Yeah, me neither. I can't wait for Chank to be working to be working for Hasan. For Hasan, yeah. He has to take in for whatever Hasan's off line. He's just not watching MasterChef. Oh, yes. He's the chair warmer. He's like, he's like, Hasan, can I comment? No, no, no, no. Just keep the chair. No, you're fucking it up. Okay. A good compromise. The link of the video in chat and direct to people that like and subscribe to the video channel. We already do that. We already fucking literally. You didn't do that. You didn't do that. If you didn't catch, we had another friend assistance of Chank. Another free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Free. Reloaded so carry on carry on We're at 1643 Pretty much can literally we already point to the video. I talk about it. I talk about the video when I'm watching it I say this is the country critter. I can't believe he's doing this is great It doesn't matter. This has just been a very small project on the side as I work on something much bigger Yeah, just so to make sure This is the first time she had seen this so Hassan like crosses off desperately to make sure Jay can't promote anything Like so so not only does Hassan not promote Jay's channel. He prevents Jay from doing it for him And this is like look you don't have to say anything chet. Okay, but this is our relevance response Wow good job. He did that You're using better a flashback to the best Response Was the best of the three villains. Yes, he was he was absolutely the top doctor I mean people are gonna be wondering today whether or not Hassan or Denim's is the the worst I think but to be fit So yeah, I can already talk about that I still think he's outclassed Denim's by the fact that he's fucking told it is Thousands and tens of thousands of people that we're Nazis. I feel like that already out What is this Dev's dollar meat store dollar meat store Jesus happy nil Jesus Christ I Feel like that picture may be set irasist Well, I don't know why you insane I'm okay with it being racist It's that supposed to be like a caricature of a Chinese person or am I the racist for seeing that? Wow So bloated that their eyes are kind of like I don't know. There's a lot of tropes being played on here. Is that a dead dog? I can see So chud chud you don't know the lore so here's the lore a couple e-paps ago I'll do it really quick. I complete perhaps ago. I told a story about how when I was in Vancouver I went to this location. Just take a look at it. Okay, just pull us up on your stream and Would you eat at this location? Okay, I'm gonna be honest here. I'll show it to the stream real quick. Yeah, this is a bit sus the meat store It's a dollar store for meat and in Vancouver's Chinatown Oof, okay. Yeah, that's a go heavy a heckin yikes from me. I'll be real with you. Okay Now now seeing this with some of the iconography I'm coming to certain conclusions about that image. Okay, all I'm gonna say is due to do as I'm not gonna show off my stream Just to be on the same side. All right, that could be a your stream exclusive. All right. Well, I just like that It's not clear what's alive or dead in the entire shop. That's that's what's The customers are dead Had faith what meet that way. Oh Shit someone. Oh god. I feel so bad for these people. So someone in Hassan's chat just said I watched the new It's supposed to be saying dark Viper video and he was spot-on on you using bad faith. So Nice knowing you He's looking at the history dear the vapor vapor 18 month subscriber What I'm I'm using bad faith. I'm using bad faith arguments here. I already recognize and admit I Already recognized and admit that if someone does not want me to watch their content then they're completely justified Why completely correct fall back? There are people back door The not you not being in your chair bit hasn't even been mentioned in a few months I've been here until you started pointing it out. Not everyone's saying it the trigger the classic 1-1 stun lock Okay, he's gonna be very focused on the sobbing Distracted so he didn't get bad because he even highlighted his length of subscription. He always does that Yep, yeah, and you're riding the tiger and it feels like I know it's bizarre But it feels as though the longer you subscribe the more likely you ought to be bad. Oh Like you should know better Kind of yeah, maybe that's it your back peddling You watch people's YouTube videos and that's a positive way to engage with someone's content That's a positive way to to make it in on necessarily Lots of things could happen Reaction with this community and their community and then the other way to do that is Basically by fucking doing these like call-out posts and all this other shit. It's the same It's the you were literally doing a call-out post right now Right now right you could be like well, I'm reacting. It's like yeah, but they reacted to you And he's like yeah, but I reacted to them Like yeah, so what does it all start with you being a shitty reactor? That's where it starts the way that I come out on top The same energy it's by trying to attack the content creator. You're like trying to fucking tackle There a piece of their audience maybe drive a wedge between his community and try to like grab as many fucking people as you Can never be that you have a point to make and that's it It can never be that it has to be because everybody's clout driven. Everybody's money driven It can never be anything. It's all a cynical enterprise. It's all built on just that the worst faith Interpretation of everything. They are all content brain. That's the terminology used now. I just Yeah, I think this speaks to Hassan's views because Hassan is the biggest fucking clout shark out there You know since he started on twitch particularly He's you know he used to knock about with smaller streamers He used to raid smaller like marginalized dreamers and stuff for a long time ago But now he just hangs out with like the big the big boys are twitched a big like gaming streamers and stuff You know, so he's kind of got to the position where you can do that and Yeah, I had the idea that as you get bigger You just can't hang out with all the small channels anymore and you can't talk with them and like this concept that oh I've moved on I've I've grown up and over these smaller channels like I to be fair To be fair regs sometimes it does actually come from the other side, so I you know Before pre gamer gate when my channel had like 2000 subs or something I don't I hung out with a bunch of let's players you were all let's players at the time and None of us were getting any fucking views We were having fun You know hanging up together and crossing over and building stuff together watching other stuff You know, we're just having a good time. We were all friends But um my channel blew up and theirs didn't and theirs still hasn't blown up And there was just a lot of bitterness there from them and I kind of killed a lot of the friendships So sometimes it's not you. Oh Yeah, I'm sure that yeah, it's not like I'm yeah, of course. I Yeah, I Think it was dev. Oh shit. It was me. Actually. Yes, of course. Yes. I ended all the friendships myself I knew it. You're like I can't hang out with these two thousand Andy's anymore I think the other thing as well is like especially, you know If you're somebody cares about uplifting people with like smaller platforms or whatever like, you know It gets to a point where you're bigger fish or you know, you're bigger than other fish anyway And I feel he got kind of a duty in some ways to like pass that on to the people that come beneath you, right? That sounds gay, but you know, I mean, I Yeah, you have a duty to redistribute fans. Oh, yes to redistribute the you know the means of Fandom fandom whatever you know, I mean I'm getting out The all-knowing wizard of truth came to us on said no these people actually just care about the point Oh, like Jay cares about the point alone. I think it's on which to be like no wizard You're wrong. You wouldn't know you can't get a source. I've been a wizard for ten years, bro. Yeah I know all about wizarding And that stuff does not work Okay, that stuff just does not work in the long term You're not gonna get enough like you're not gonna be able to farm enough hate engagements. How do you explain fucking Keemstar? Wings of redemption. Yeah This is the thing I don't even want to defend this point But now he's saying like you can't get engagement just hating people forever. It's like you can It's not like it's not preferable as a bias if you just like you just hate everything or something But isn't there isn't there a channel on YouTube called I hate everything by the way? You did it right I'm just saying Because I just keep jumping between chats someone said I think he's you pretty pretentious and full of himself and his film Criticism to be very shallow despite how long he talks for have you ever heard that? I'll accept that over call me a Nazi or Just point out though right my chat has been very totally chill. There's been Yeah, of course, it's totally fun obviously to pick it out again, you know often you see that but yeah It's I'm quite happy with how my chat has been pretty chill about the whole Hey review them I give him like a nine out of ten There's only been like one or two things but the thing is I'm sure there's been more negative things about you and our chat so Those viewers fuck you every single one of you Okay, if you're gonna be over if you were nice if you like me you're based come and watch me when you know another time But if you don't fuck you, what's that show wife swap? Let's do a chat swap where we just swap chats and then I don't know what actually happens in the show, but That Will will allow you to have a sustainable business model for sure You know what I mean? I know this I know I promise you knows I think I demonstrably have at least some level of knowledge on content creation I've been doing it for a very long time the fuck do you deal with someone who has the same Experience and says the opposite thing. What do you do? I saw you explode couldn't Trump couldn't Trump just said to him I've had four years of experience being the president of the United States and you'd have zero You have no right to say anything about anything that I've done Politically Hannity's been doing like what political coverage we've all like 40 years So you're not allowed to criticize him at all if you're younger than that Well, if we just recorded from criticizing him apparently if we grab the oldest creature on it It's like Noam Chomsky and just ask him like oh, what can we talk about? He could say nothing. He gets to talk about everything We don't Yeah, what a weird way to I've done it longer. Therefore. I have more authority necessarily You're doing it wrong can do something really shittily for a long time Yes, exactly. There's people that make content for ages and like it's just not very good content And they get many views nothing to be ashamed of but it's not for everyone, right? But somebody would try for 10 years doesn't mean you you know what to do when you know the right way forward Ultimately, it's the quality of your arguments not how long you've been doing it for I don't yeah Of course, yeah, I'm not sure what Hannity has been a political commentator for like 40 years I don't mean anything necessarily And a lot of this is a moral question So it's like okay. Well, you've been an like an immoral person in an asshole for 10 years. I mean, so why well Surely everybody has the right to make opposite because all these two he's trying to appeal to these like weird ideas that um Well, I understand how the game works It's like it doesn't really this is an argument about what you ought to do Principally not what will make you succeed or not There's kind of a different conversation Everybody has a right to have that conversation About what you ought to do based on like what is right or wrong principally You can't preclude people from that because they haven't been streaming for as long as you Mm-hmm. I think he's doing this to just further chap at his audience and to not question this shit It's like look trust me. I'm correct. That's when you've given up I don't need to make it more argument. You just trust me like Appealing to authority here your own authority. Yeah, which is the weirdest one right like trust me Especially content creation like so if I'd been making like fucking paper airplanes for 10 years, can I just claim that too? Mm-hmm or like if you're a content creator and then you're like now Let me give you all of my very well-informed perspectives on animation as somebody who's never touched a piece of animation software or doesn't Never watch the documentary on it. Never read anything about it. I mean it's content creation I guess we're gonna get as vague as possible Thanks, you see doesn't respond and it's the smart thing to do speaking like a true capitalist. Yeah, exactly You can say it's a true capitalist wait That one coughed me out and caught me off guard. I'm so whoa It's capitalists to not respond to not responding wait Well, I think what I find funny about that is you know, what's very uncapitalist responding to the market. That's very That's a very dog kid. That's a very dog capitalist I'm confused as to who let me see if we can grab that grab that creation been doing it for a very long time Excuse you see doesn't respond it speaking like a true capitalist. So this isn't So what is that regarding? I think he's responding to the criticism just ignore it and pretend it's not happening the drama like don't even acknowledge it I think that's what he's saying. Well, and so is that common then critical of a song speaking like a true Capitalist because that would be offensive to him, right? Oh, maybe let's see him say the full comment It's the smart thing to do speaking like a true capitalist. Yeah, exactly You can say it's a true capitalist or whatever, but I'm not gonna be baited into watching Wait, so that sounded like he agreed and then realized it was against him. Do you catch that? Yeah, you went like exactly Actually, no, it's not exactly. Yeah, look exactly you can say it's a true capitalist or whatever But I'm not gonna be baited into watching someone's fucking video a year after the point when I've already agreed with the original point They made like you didn't agree with our original point You didn't as original point stop pretending that you did not gonna watch it a year after I agreed with their original point what? What? What an easy way to just yeah, because I'm sure that all Jay said in a 50 minute video was the same thing that you Think you agree with that there was nothing else that was brought up Then he still has never addressed the fucking well other than if you can call it addressing he said react order is dumb So I guess he did address it What do you want? What do you want me to do? The answer is ironically I want you to react to my video This so like I'm not gonna do that if the main point of contention is don't react to my fucking videos I did not consent to this and then you try to get me to react to your further fucking videos I'm not gonna do that. Why the fuck would I ever do that? Why would I literally give in to what you want when I already acknowledged that you're in the right to fucking watch? In the right to say I don't want you to fucking watch my shit, and that's fine So he's so tangled Jay said don't react to my videos Jay then wants my reaction to a new video Why would I give in to what Jay wants when Jay is right to ask that? I don't watch their videos, but that's fine. Why would I do the right thing if it's what my opponent wants? This is when Hassan's brain doesn't take the gaps, okay? Hassan's brain is the gap. What is this? He's jumping for a lot of the clear things, right? He said this is Jay's position, but Jay is farming for clout Why would I capitulate and give him clout? But also he's right and that's you know like it's like you're hitting all the things at once because you're not Appealing to any core You're just kind of latching on to whatever you can to try and run away from this Yeah, I would go as far as this is fucking nuts like what's happening to his brain This is all over the place. You can't even if you were someone who didn't even know anything about Jay You should be like so Jay wants you to Not react but to react and you're gonna respect what Jay said by not reacting But also never give in to what Jay wants and that all of this is okay. I have no I got no clue I don't know what's happening But he's so aggressive as though he's Very upset very a lot of indignation here. Yeah Was just an impassioned way to relay a very confused to points Cuz like what else can you say when you put it like this you're just like, okay, I just don't know what you want me to keep moving Isn't it funny how Charlie mentioned his dark viper video how the same person told him the same thing react harder Or don't watch Charlie to the same thing as you and never watch their vids again But you're the only one catching flak. Yes, because I Imagine why Charlie didn't do the same thing. No, he did. Definitely. I'm a fucking idiot. Okay I miss remembering but I ended up just getting too lost in the video because they presented it so well And it was just such a great video and the creator. This is what Hassan said, right? Oh Yeah, this is definitely what yeah, it's a spitting image. Yeah. Yeah. I want to know you know what Hassan said Oh, actually, I'm wrong on this. I should transform the content or alternatively ask for permission That's a good point Jay. You're correct principally That's what Hassan said, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all this one for one It or saw my reaction to it and was really disappointed I didn't appreciate it and get mad at Hassan if that's the case. Wow. It's weird I totally understood where they're coming from because 34 to dragon when he came up with the fish sticks joke. You mean what he did fight the dragon That's the sorry. Yes when he did fight the dragon and then Jimmy stabbed him in the back because that's that's exactly what happened Mm-hmm. I didn't really add anything to it I didn't really react to it. So to them it felt like I was just reuploading their content on my stream And I get that perspective. I really do but that's never the goal It's never supposed to be piggybacking off of someone else's hard work in order to do nothing for it And make money off it your youtube content is there when I ain't got nothing else left to talk about dude Let's be straight about it. This is The bad clip I feel like I need to need to you know apologize on behalf of My my brother irrelevant. I don't know. I don't know what go into him about this and this is something I've heard from his viewers as well They're like watch me. They're like Yeah, he says some weird takes about it. Um Yeah, I I've got no idea and we've not really spoken about it. Maybe I'll speak to her about it. I don't know Um, I just feel like I would have to watch the content and I can't be fucked to do that to be perfectly honest with you Um, so yeah, you don't have to worry about it at all. It's all it's already over to be honest with you That was what three weeks two weeks ago. I can't remember time anymore I just for my own benefit. I want to be like, you know like Dude, what the fuck you doing? What's going on? What's wrong? What's what's up? You know, I don't know It just feels like out of character. I don't know it's weird I at least I'm trying. I'm making an effort to be as charitable as possible I'm making an effort to be as charitable as possible. I'm making an effort to be as charitable as possible Come the fuck on us. I'm making an effort to like respond to it. You know what I mean? And then people say you don't watch dude. You haven't even watched it, dude Take criticism well like but there is a there's a degree of criticism that I can Charitably understand and respect and respond to which is what I'm doing when I say you're right But what else do you want? What else do you want? And then there is what more can I really give you literally did nothing less than nothing If you will and then it's like what could you possibly want? Shit, I just want you to watch my favorite content creators video Uh-oh Has he spotted something Yeah, sometimes I have to look over and make sure that the video hasn't just paused someone didn't pause it You never know And especially oh by the way You don't want to read some of the random shit that comes out of his chat Holy fuck, he's trained them well to like just shit all over anybody who disagrees with him Especially because like it's a non-issue that turns into an issue well no one wants to get banned, right? Um some of them seem to enjoy it Is one example you'll see in a bit who Uh Says like ha ha that was easy after being banned or during being banned or something like they knew But I guess there's some people in there who are like, okay, I'll get banned for this because he's a you know idiot But yeah, you're right a lot of them are not gonna want to get banned So they're like I'll say the thing he likes and maybe he'll even highlight me and then say I said a good thing Maybe then I'll be really happy. Yeah, I'll make him real happy That's my biggest problem on the internet What you're misrepresenting this argument. Can you watch this clip? In this family xqc doesn't use other people's labor. I'm so I'm so sick and fucking tired of this, dude I I oh you did watch it for a whole two three seconds there Uh Gave it a really good chance Hate this this guy is literally look at his videos, man. Look at his fucking videos, bro. Look look at this channel Okay, look at this fucking channel. Yeah, yeah, he's got videos with 70 k views 94 k views Well, don't forget the 656 k view there 13 days ago 556 11 days ago 156 eight days ago It looks like a relatively healthy channel if he's putting these videos out once per day damn What's his point even and he's got a million subs. Well, let's just we have that information Let's see what his point is 64 k views boom nine hours ago 228 thousand views. You what are you? Are you riding or dying for him? So I have I am I on the same page with the rest of you. You wouldn't have any clue what his point is yet I he's saying I'm like legitimately a bit. I I okay I think I'm assuming he's gonna say that this guy's channel is dying He has very low views until he does drama content then it blows up The previous video 178 k views a day ago How can you argue that he's only doing this for the views? So the funny thing is as well is because I've seen some of the dark viper stuff He is passionate about this and if someone said you you know gun to your head take a bet And you know if you lose the bet you die Is he doing it more so because he wants to get as much money from it as possible because he genuinely believes in this I'd be like oh, it's easy genuinely believes in it This guy the idea that he is an angry boy in relation to this They can't fathom that so yeah Yes, he has more views on that video than he does on a couple of the previous But it's not even the most viewed video in his last three lines of uploads there. So Actually, it's not even Is it fourth? So yeah weird point But okay Are you why like are you his biggest fan and you want him to fucking look at this thumbnail? Holy shit The real the real reason why he's doing this Is because this because he wants people to react to his fucking videos and it's very frustrating You're a god. I want people to react to my videos too and then subscribe to me and watch and then give me money What's what's happening here? You know like he's going nuts Yeah, I think you want to save those out first, you know I think he thinks he's cracked it right that he's like I've got definitive proof Like it's written down by dark viper himself in a dm to a friend that got leaked where he said I'm only doing this for the money And hopefully they react to me because I don't actually have any principles And that's why he's like he feels so strongly on this when all you've highlighted Is that the video has been watched by a lot of people That doesn't mean anything on its own Fucking idiot if you don't realize that okay that I'm from my perspective. This is not a good look It's also sorry. I've been eating Also earlier. He said he was talking about how it's great for like YouTubers for streamers to react to their videos So, yeah, of course if you think that's the case why are you acting so fucking Amazed or surprised that a youtuber wants someone to watch the videos if that was the case Do you see what I mean? Well, you hate to do it. Maybe he's like the goldfish You know, they say they have like three second memories But you hate to do this people like right hassan let's say you're correct This is all correct. You only do it for views and look at that. It's working Let's check out the other universe where he did it just because he wanted to make a point and then it was a popular point How do you tell the difference between these two worlds? What is your way of falsifying one of the two worlds? Like how do you have a Mind reading machine that just tells you exactly what someone's thinking and he's like well, it's obvious He has more views on that video It's it is really peering into the mind of it. Like I don't I don't know how like you How why is it so simple? Why is it such a? Dichotomous thing right either it's for you like it's got to be for views is that simple couldn't be for any other reason Couldn't be that they believe in what they're saying There's a really good faith criticism and bad faith criticism you literally are trying to desperately Give into what he wants to do which is react to my fucking videos, please Okay, that's what I mean. I don't yeah, there's not really much Yeah, but the specific context he's gunning for is to to make money and we don't want to give him money. He's bad faith actor But well you've decided this is true. You haven't got this from anything We shouldn't even buy into this frame because this is very egotistical of him like j And I assume viper making this video It's not it's not because they want Hasan to react is because they feel like They haven't been heard. They want other people to hear their arguments. They've only heard Hasan's bullshit arguments It's not it's not all about Hasan reacting to the stupid video I think that's the thing that he is struggling to get past or at least it seems that way best and what he's saying is This is a topic. It's not really about it's partly about you But it's more so about the broader subject of reaction content transformative fair use copyright. Like that's It spins off from you. It's not all about you Um, I don't think it seems like you appreciate that To clarify as well. Hasan in a particular universe here has made a fair point If he had the resources to actually prove it, which he doesn't he's made them up Which is the if someone is specifically only making eye catching And trolley videos that are all Fake news sort of shit to get you to click it react to it and then get their money Like and they're just fully admit to it. It's like, yeah, you probably would want to avoid Giving that's like feeding the troll or giving them what they want sort of thing He's decided that that's what doc vibe is doing But he has no more evidence for doc vibe at doing it than literally anybody else Like it's just because a video was made and put up That's it. Well, you got and also seem to be trying to tar jay with the same brush Oh, yes. Yes, he does Possibly have different motives. I mean, I know what jay's motives are. They were just the topic And what he felt was right Doing but you don't know that because you're not a fucking content creator I am so I know what he's doing. There's two ways of doing it. We're all the same There's two ways of doing it. It's the negative engagement or the positive engagement. There's nothing else Right, there's no degrees of engagement or a mix of positive or negative or even neutral engagement Yeah, like impartial commentary The and and the motives behind that engagement or the broader objectives behind that engagement It's just either it's good or bad. What a very man and this is a political commentator. Yep People throw money at this guy they throw money at this guy Well, I mean, it's also a giant self-report if he's saying he's assuming all this bad faith and he's saying I understand this because I Oh, that's a lot of his son is he's just projecting the way he feels and his incredible Cynical outlook on this under other people to everyone. It's all very Sigmund Freudian. Okay. It's very Sigmund Freudian Oh, oh, he's doing the friend enemy distinction thing that the Nazis liked Don't be making those comparisons Also, I just know is in uh, it doesn't matter which chat this came from okay But it says the fact that they're watching a video that they made of Hassan's reaction to some shit that originated a fucking year ago And they are desperately trying to keep alive proves Hassan's point That's why how does it prove the point who said that specifically and can they please provide uh explanation? Uh, I don't I don't need to know. Hey, listen. Listen. That's that's okay. Listen. That's jude jude is Listen, I need to say this jude has got a tattoo with Hassan. Oh What? No, wait, really? Yes 100% no Why we'll actually no wait wait wait what body part? Oh, no, I I have a new question though What what if Hassan if you criticized him once and then he banned you would you keep the tattoo? Or would you like no you'd say Hassan was right to do it Hassan I was out of line But listen, jude jude comes by a lot we've we've actually spoken on stream about Hassan and we've got a lot of disagreements But um, they're gonna piss off piss you off a lot, but there are no k-passes that we get on pretty well We have a good good combo. But yeah, they're always gonna have to be the pro Hassan side I was gonna say if they're starting on Hassan is right. It's like they're gonna have trouble because he's uh It's a tough position to advocate for but good luck. I wish you all the best Good content, okay, and you're like, hey, please watch my video. This is sick And then I do and it's awesome and that's not a parasitic relationship That's a positive relationship And then the other way to do it is by doing but that could totally be parasitic as well You could be like Desperate for people you constantly overly nice and you want everyone to just react to you and say good things about you Because you're just desperately trying to you know get life blood into the channel or some shit You could even say you were like distant relative of Hassan's like a kid starting up a youtube channel and you're like, you know Uncle can you please react to some of my minecraft let's plays to get me a jump start that could be considered parasitic, of course Just because it's not negative In the sense of it being critical It's easy for him to say that it's positive because there is no negative There's no detriment to you watching other people's stuff. You only gain it's them who might lose out because of that You gain all of the utility of the video with none of the trade-offs of having to make it Of course, you like it. It's beneficial to you always Regardless of whether it's beneficial or not to the person who made the video So this is not like it just doesn't mean it of course you'd like it because you only gain from doing it Call out post and having absolute fucking baboon brain idiots like you Operate on his behalf. You're literally giving him you're helping him. You're helping him Helping him by being like you address the argument. He's like you're helping him. It's like I guess I have yeah That's the point. That's why he's doing it. You fucking idiot. He's not doing it because he legitimately thinks it's fucking unacceptable He's doing it because then people How's he so sure? Yeah, he's such a genius. We'll watch his shit and he will get a big bump Holy fuck Ah So how big was the bump again by the way 200 viewers as opposed to sorry 200 views as opposed to 30 for that hour Impressive, that's it And also a good chance that 40,000 people are never gonna watch it. Yeah, like, you know, we need to chance Yeah, you've already seen it in full pretty much Yeah, like why the fuck would I watch his clips if his entire fucking thing is like I just listen, dude If his entire thing is like don't react to my shit Okay, because it isn't Nobody made this point. You made it up. Nobody said this You invented it and you had don't react to people like why would I do that? The spikes are from starting drama by the con holy shit. Adam Hey, what's up guys? Oh my goodness gracious Oh my Oh my god Without me Well, dude, we've only got one point out. I want to point out. I might have been an hour away together room yet I I might have been an hour late, but adam is like three weeks late You're off the hook dev Yeah, we found a new punch back like 10 minutes ago, but I was like I'm so beat I went and took a 10 minute nap, but I'm here now. Well, don't worry adam We're only a quarter way through the video. Those were those were Hassan minutes Those were denim's minutes. I didn't want to give you guys a chair For the first 10 minutes. So I'm good to go. Where's that watch together? Just scroll right up. Let me make sure I share the watch together link with the chat a couple times We already had that Wait, wait adam, you know what you should do whenever you go take a nap Just turn on your stream. Just let it stream somebody else's video And then when you come back on the stream we turn turn the stream off So it's only an afk stream Yeah, that's a great idea. I was I'm I'm not fresh. I watched most of the game, but Have you found a yet? Let's do it up enough? Oh, yeah, did you find the link at the top go for the latest one as well not the uh Several yeah, there's like seven of them which let's see one And That was uh, that was my fault. I'm gonna hold my hands up to that one. It's okay. We don't judge you. All right Are you simo streaming is that why it got shared out multiple times? Yeah, we're currently for the first time ever eFab's been streamed at twitch as well Not by us though. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, just just to be clear everyone twitch so no n words. Okay. Just to be clear adam. All right It's a tough habit to break But uh, I've been trying to rain 23 minutes in Yeah Welcome, right. Let's go only one hour. Why would I do that? The spikes are from starting drama, but the content itself barely grew audience exactly The inverse of that is that like every time right? I was gonna say doesn't that just at that point then? It doesn't matter if you engage because then you know, I guess maybe maybe he's just gonna say oh Well, that other guy. He's just a bad grifter. He's bad at grifting, but he still does it Or if you're drama chasing or cloud chasing or I don't know. Whatever dismisses it the fastest Yeah, yeah, whatever makes me the rightest Tom I get into these fucking dramas I actually lose a viewership because people get mad and people get annoyed because I'm constantly fucking Uh, because I'm constantly fucking repeating the same points over and over again You are because you never seem to grasp the fucking points. You just repeat your own crazy one It's fucking dumb to tell content creators They need to try to talk to you when you don't ask them for permission in the first place to act like A child when they try to respond. Oh, oh, no. Oh, no drink Dude, there is only one content creator who I've already fucking Who I've he's halberd over those timeouts read with that is like still farming it and you're a sucker for doing their Marketing for them for the record because like I said the overwhelming majority the 99 percent of content creators Are actually excited when people react to their content Of course they are who cares if it's 99. We're talking about the one just even if it's literally one person That's it. Yeah Because there's many also that wasn't even the point this guy was making It's dumb to tell creators They need to try and talk to you when you don't ask them for permission in the first place And you act like a child when they try to respond You shouldn't have spoken drink drinker. Goodbye positives to it Okay, and you're trying to sucker me back into the uh into the drama right now By writing the same shit over and over again, which is why I'm going to ban you And the reason why I'm banning this person is not because I'm running away from criticism I can't stop myself actually Responding to everything over and over again, and it's making the content worse for the 23 000 people that are in here You're being selfish and you're centering yourself You are right. That is like some really good conditioning. Yes some real good conditioning of your audience I seek out criticism guys. I really love. Oh, yeah. All right. I forgot about that He says he does have like Simple hypocrisy has been pointed out and now he starts making this huge example of this person as an agent of the enemy And that is why he's banning him and setting an example. It's just like holy shit, man Sometimes these people are like, you know 20 month subs like they're the fans of the guy, right? So they're just offering light pushback and they're any fucking loses his rag I don't know. I get pissed off with chat sometimes. You get some fucking dumb fucks, right? But like jesus like I don't know. It just seems so excessive on a sandspot Well, he has this amazing narcissistic ability to shift the blame To everyone else. So it's like, oh, I have to steal content because the chat will get mad Oh, I can't respond to criticism because the chat gets upset when I respond to criticism because I'm just repeating myself It's your fault. It's not my fault that I'm not listening to you and actually respond But listen sitch Does somebody have a tattoo of you on them? I mean they could I don't know In the middle of the conversation and you don't give a fuck about the 20 000 other people that are in here because So yeah, just to clarify anyone in chat if you ever post anything about something you're particularly interested in You're not appreciating the other thousands of people potentially who are here for a different thing So you better fucking think about that before you become sad That's your fault for saying it rather than my fault for making this a two or three minute long tangent Because obviously had Hassan never highlighted this guy. Everyone in chat would have noticed it and have been affected by it in very negative ways So Oh, man, well, you know, you heard Hassan. He says he doesn't have control over his own actions. He has to respond to it So the chat should know better You want to be at the center of this drama? You want to bait drama? You want to continue this thun lock and it's fucking bullshit Okay, unacceptable and you should be ashamed of yourself for ruining other people's days Tom holland buys a take-hand everybody celebrates it Tom holland gets the drive the take-hand away with his incredibly pretty girlfriend zandaya Tom holland and zandaya then buy a four million dollar home in london together. Everybody celebrates that too Sick and tired of it. Okay sick and tired of it. Yeah, but he's talented Oh, oh before all of you say anything just listen a little longer people are gonna say tom holland is not a socialist Okay, who cares Yeah Do you recall like a year ago the big discourse was Socialists maximizing their their gains under capitalism. It's it's just fine That that this is kind of an extension of the same conversation You can use that with going by that logic. You can't complain about ilan musk You can't complain about jeff bezos. They could be socialists. They're just maximizing their gains. You know, that's right Well, yeah, because it's because people say the the whole I got to survive on the capitalism. You're not surviving my dude You're thriving and you are you're better off than like 99 man You're better off than like 99.9% of like people who exist now let alone all humans who have ever existed throughout all of history The thing is with like the map boars comic meme, right? Is it's a literal fucking surf the person that's saying we need to improve society? Exactly, they have no they have no they don't have the means to change their life in a way This motherfucker's the lord this motherfucker's the lord. He's in the castle. Yeah, Jesus christ. I fucking hate that comic so much Did you notice his voice changed a little bit like he knows this is dumb, let's fuck who cares You just you're not mad about the action itself When tom haulen does it you're just mad here This is a part of the broadcast where I react to a news article Sorry to fucking salon.com, but I will be reacting to their news article. Okay Just like denims where it's like, ah, I guess the problem is just reacting. Isn't it and jay is sitting there like That's my whole career. What are you talking about? You know, you know what at this point it's like, this is a little bit different at least he's actually sitting there reading it No, that's true. It's just the Yeah, because it's impulse wet and right now. It's pretty hard not to transfer an article I suppose but I suppose you could still steal just the article's content. Couldn't you just read it all out and go? You just read it and add no commentary Reactor i'm a react lord. It's pretty cool to know. Yeah, he can read so that's cool. I guess You got that. This is what I do This all started yesterday when I made the video our react So, yeah, just we've skipped forward now to because he watched these it was more political stuff And then he went to this is charlie's video on dark viper They had a bit of a back and forth and hasan's watching it Unfortunately for his hasan jay comes up in this video. So he's gonna be forced to comment more I was gonna say he didn't I assume he didn't know that jay comes up in this video because he wouldn't have watched it um Someone in chat does warn him at one point and he decides to soldier on so Maybe he doesn't care. I don't know warn him that jay is gonna be mentioned They legitimately say like jay's video is about to be mentioned. You should probably stop watching it or something like that This chat has to warn him No chat. No that he's gonna get fucking annoyed and have to deal with people making you know cogent arguments and you can't have that I need to be more like charlie And just like be much much nicer to people who are very very obviously Um very obviously engaging in like not only bad faith criticism, but like the worst kind of Uh bad faith criticism because like even if he himself Uh, even if he himself like Actually is angry about a particular person or not He does a really good job of Fuck me it takes so long to get a point out of him I can't pause because he hasn't finished a point yet You know presenting himself as um Now Coming out pick it out there like why are you presenting yourself interesting that you would say that presenting. Yeah Yeah, do you remember um What dad have said? I should get a phone so that I can at least look like I'm watching the video when I leave Oh, well, I could actually do it. It's like Yeah, nice All these tactics all these strategies. Yeah Instead of just doing the right thing You know, he doesn't even he doesn't even consider that charlie heard the criticism and believe that he's assuming Charlie's like, oh, this is bad faith, but let me pretend like I'm gonna be nice And that's the way to do it if you want to piss off less people Hasan is learning like tactically how to get the best results without at all understanding like the The arguments behind them or the Advocacy or even like they're just believing in the argument. It's insane. He's like not even entertained that that could be possible No matter how uncharitable someone is Yeah, it's a unique strength that he has and I really respect him for it I mean, it's maybe years and years and years didn't respect jay for that Jay put up with all kinds of bullshit from you law. I understand But you know charlie's the one that we got to respect To being like kind of saying inconsistency from son all the time You just never really know what he's gonna say when it comes to a lot of things Just on the internet always trying to defend himself and he's never wrong It's always someone else's fault But how he verbalizes that and how his mind jumps through the hoops It's always just like a wonder to see how he's gonna do it this time Look at that shatter. It's nice of him meaning charlie, but it isn't as cathartic to watch shit on him Oh Jesus What your priorities are Does have some centrist takes a lot of centrist tastes Uh-oh, he's the nazi well When I am faced with a barrage of like shitty criticisms that are completely just bad faith It's very difficult for me to take that person seriously and be charitable to them I don't even know what he's talking about I Wonder if this dude Talked about misgiv at all if you're gonna take ages. Could you at least finish the mouthful if you go? Yeah, I mean you've already you might as well be fashionably late, you know Because misgiv just said he's a clout farmer and moved on He might have you've already said he's a clout farmer or whatever Just I guess didn't move on I'd have mentioned misgiv as well But probably not to the same degree as he talks about charlie and maybe even myself if he did mention myself I do believe that it's because myself. I'm sorry Again, this is not when you like legitimately have a gripe with whatever the fuck you're talking about Yeah, this is not the way you do it, you know It's so clear But instead you're talking about whoever the fuck you're Um, you're you're basically covering like Whoever will bite Yeah, because it's like if you had a general problem with reactors on twitch, there would be no point in having like Oh individual examples, right? That would be pointless. There'd be no fucking point to that at all It wouldn't help anyone understand anything. It would be so fucking pointless. It would show that you're bad faith. In fact It would be better to appeal to vague generalities with no examples. Yeah I hate bad writing. What do you mean bad writing like what? Yeah, I'm in general, you know There's there's movies There's lots of movies with bad writing, you know, yeah, this is so helpful You remember how like when you learned how to just present arguments like when you're writing an essay at school How they were like well now remember don't use examples Um examples to track from the point. Yes And they make you bad faith talk about x you see Yeah, I decided there's no point showing you all of the fucking skipping so It's just so weird because Like who cares? Okay. He got something wrong in one of his youtube videos like I don't know what it is in the life for you where you know how I always say like be normal. This is what I mean When you see someone who made a youtube video, right? Okay, and And and you know, there's some like all this correct stuff in it and you just make another youtube video about why there's incorrect stuff in it If it's about like monetization of your fucking youtube channel or something So if it involves money, that's when it's fair to be upset. Okay, sorry But how does he rationalize this when it comes to criticizing mainstream media political pundits if they get factual information wrong? You would argue that has like demonstrable health effects on policy related people The reason he adds so much gaps in between his words is because Like you'll forget the word he said before so you'll forget and not realize he's not making a point Well, I tried to bind it all into those series of sentences. It was baffling I'm so lost and whatever the fuck he's trying to say because he's speaking so slow such if the sentence takes forever You won't remember the start I still remember the star You need to make it longer. You need to draw out for like, you know, five minutes. I don't want to torture you guys. Come on That was actually torture Why do you think it's the utmost most important fucking thing that you could ever do? Like you need to retract this. You need to retract this immediately. Like you are misinforming people. It's like, I mean Do you know what if someone said like, yeah, why how come you guys haven't said like retract the nazi statement? It's like, you know why because he won't There's no fucking point But it'd be like is it something you would want him to retract like obviously, but he's never going to So like why even bother asking and then if he was like, you know why get angry over this Would it's just like a mistake or I'm sitting like, oh as if you can tell the difference or would understand anyone's position on this Brains explode because if the argument is well when they do what it matters when I do it It doesn't what are you saying about what you do that it doesn't matter that your work is Inconsequential and irrelevant In terms of any real world or social impact That's a weird thing to admit about your life's work, especially if you pretend to be somebody who cares about issues Well, you can't square both of those away. You have to pick one or the other Do you have an impact on people or not because if you do then it does matter people will respond to you He's just lying because if there was someone You know some bigger person who you know mischaracterized a song some very bad way called him a nazi or something He'd be all up in arms talking about it for weeks I can't believe this very mad He's very mad that jay has responded to him So clearly he thinks jay has the impact on him and some to some extent right He's a much smaller platform than he has I think he feels like he's just a guy in his house And when he's reacting to for example, you know the mainstream media or something some website or or some some news outlet That's actually an institution But yeah, that's an institution. He's going after but he is just you know, he's the little guy because he's streaming out of his house And I think that's how he's very With a lot of viewers watching him Like surely he didn't wasn't like Uh, you because you guys have watched it in that video from what I understand wasn't the gist of that uh That video that got cut in where he's talking about like his career and how he forged a space for politics on twitch Yeah, that's what it's about. So how does he square that away that he actually that he's He's created a place on twitch where you talk about politics and it matters But also it doesn't matter the particular wording is where is it a way he paved his way is what he describes it as Yes, oh, man, he squares it away because he knows that he's lying. He knows that destiny actually did that Yeah, no, no, no, no, what what i'm getting at is like, how do you how do you make the point that none of this matters or ignore It's not consequential who cares you say is a minor mistake Like this example right Unless what i'm saying like i'm getting mad at the idea that he probably thinks of that is just if he was Highlighted the like oh, they're not nazis. He'd be like, no Well, whatever. Yeah, like whatever. Yeah Why are you harping on it? Yeah? I'm bringing it up a year. Let it go Meanwhile, unlike me hopping on jay making a video that I didn't watch About something that I somehow virtuous That's kind of weird man, what what the fuck do you like give up give it up And I do I know you want us to give up. I understand that Because this doesn't benefit you at all, but uh, no See a lot of this I do see a lot of this fucking uh Way of behaving on twitch I'm sorry. It is just how it is like Some of you motherfuckers are like that. You can't it's just how it is. Okay All right be the change now Calm down. Which by the way, I think that's three for three our relevant denims and hassan all said Hey, man, this is just everyone's doing it. I'm a slave to trends. That's just what people do You like see something that is a trend back in the day slavery Hell yeah, bring it that trend died out with I don't even know. What would you even say trends in and out? I don't like slavery, but we live in a slave or society. So I need to maximize My participating in society. I'm incentivized to have a lot of slaves wasn't that Doing like that guy over there hasn't got 50. You're easily living in this site. You got a thousand Come on. You know Wasn't that literally an argument that vosh made or my hallucinating? Uh, no The best argument about this is the rape cage I'm sorry. Did I say hassan? I mean, I mean vosh. I thought vosh literally made this argument Can we talk about the rape cage? So she was talking about I was there for that you're talking about when the destiny said Would it have been acceptable as an argument to say everyone else is doing it's institutionally relevant to have a slave? So have one and he in vosh's response was it's not institutionally necessary to have a slave or something like that He said it's not the same. I thought no, but then I thought he pressed him on and he said, yeah But if back in back in those times and he said I really thought he said, yeah He said it's not institutionally necessary and desi said they fucking fought a war over it I think they would consider it institutionally necessary and then he said Just because they thought it was institutionally necessary doesn't make it so So he just totally punted because he didn't want to We had to avoid the fuck out of that argument because that's that would destroy the whole thing That was a good stream. Everyone go check it out I can't remember who was on it. Was it me and fringy? Or was it someone else? It was you and fringy Oh my god That adam guy was there too Adam was there. I was there. I remember You have considered to be an injustice. We never heard about the rape cage. Oh, yeah. Yeah, what's up with that? Yeah, you had me. I love talking about the rape cage. I love talking about the rape cage. Okay, it's great So basically the argument is let's say you've got a shop, okay And in this shop you've got this cage with like someone's a shop a shop a store for fuck's sake listen The rape store. Damn it. We're fucking losing it. Okay. Holy shit Right. Listen, there's a fucking person in the cage man woman. Whatever you fancy. Okay, and they're trapped in a cage It's called the rape cage and um, basically it's like right. Do you want to rape this person? Um, and you basically have to say yes because if you don't say yes, someone else is going to come along and do it Anyway, that was nicely, right? Right But wait was that part of it? I don't know about it. Okay. No, no, no, no because the next part of it is What an absurd hypothetical. I will not engage. I will not engage with your hypothetical That's the sign of a high IQ individual when they can't engage in hypotheticals. Yeah Vosh said that he wouldn't lower himself to engage with it. And it's like didn't you make up coconut island? It's possible for coconut island The rape cage is just yeah, I mean listen, it's a rape analogy obviously destiny Different that's true. That makes sense. Now it all makes logical sense my Hitler analogies And you literally fucking it just like breaks your brain It could be an injustice like eating the last cookie in the cookie jar Or calling someone in your mind. It's like this is the on this needs to be punished immediately This is the absolute worst injustice that has anyone that has ever happened. It's like Hasan There is a mechanism by which people can receive retributive justice for things like this. It's called defamation It doesn't No, you just stole a cookie out of the cookie jar shut up. Yeah, all right. Yeah, you just get calm down, dude It's just a fucking cookie. You that oh, yeah calm down. Yeah, I want to shout till the time fuck It's just a cookie. How dare you say there's a cookie. It's the last cookie What if I was dying in the middle of a desert in the middle of a food desert, huh? It's genocide. You were treating me like the koologs were being treated. So they just came up with What is what is yeah, what is even in the point that you're trying I'm getting confused That's literally that was literally Hasan's argument was he was saying you want me to die? Yeah, he's the one that said this not us Yes He like for he he's like this is like carbon He's projecting his bullshit on other people and he forgot that that was the that was him Isish if you remember even denims didn't defend that one. She was like that was stupid. It was like So there's a little Hasan okay, there's a little with you on this one even the It's like no, I just it's just a cookie like chill the fuck out You know what I mean, and you and just say that because you're the one who benefited from it You suffered no negative consequences for this. So of course you're chill about it, but the other person Yeah, well, if we took it to be very little But it was a literal fucking desert and he was just fine and this other person was starving to death Saw the cookie and he just ate it. I feel like that person could be bad at you. Yeah I think they would have a bit of a right too. Yeah And if you see this kind of behavior in yourself You can stop it. Hmm interesting thought Why is it a big pause for you can stop? I don't know, but this is a flash forward. Let's check out after Hasan Just said calm the fuck down basically fucking clout goblin, dude. What a fucking Musty little freak dude. Holy shit. I mean it's like a little fucking basement wearing his ugly ass tank top With this fucking hamburger meat popping out if you see this kind of behavior in yourself, you can stop it my lord What a fucking sick tank top freak, dude No, some of you may be familiar with this clip Rags you'll enjoy this one if you haven't seen it before This is that it's a little bit closer to me than your fucking dumbass po-dunk hungarian city that you love jerking off to about It's fucking you know, hey institutions and and civil engineering I'm disgusted I am disgusted this racism from Wow, rags me and my mad yard people. We were very Disgusting filth, dude. There's a more euro centrist trash. Even if you see this euro centrist So this is a clip where it was like are we are we veering into something much worse here than just are we the baddies Well, listen, this is from the same man I don't know if you're gonna bring it up in this morning You're thunder here, but this is for the same man that said hitler was only bad because he murdered jewish people That might just show up at some point. Yeah But i'm just wondering are we you know, we're going down a certain path here, you know, it's a horseshoe theory I'm a you know, not a massive fan of it We're coming to that effect. I don't know Let's press on this kind of behavior in yourself. You can stop it cut a liberal in a fucking fascist bleeds Cut oh, yeah this flip you cut a liberal in a fascist bleeds because we love throwing around the f-word Oh boy Oh my god Sorry, just to confirm that's about adam something right who made a video saying Yeah, which is even more absurd than throwing it on us when you've been told we're nazis But pretend to be liberals or some shit like that. He's going for somebody you i've seen all the context for that shit It's insane. It's on blue a gasket. He's in well. It's not a shock, I guess The way that These fucking nerds and some of you are like this uh as well some of you like some of you fucking nerds behave Is so Insanely unlikable that it doesn't matter You're just man imagine being insanely unlikable. That would suck, wouldn't it? Some people say yeah Dantic and like there's a reason why you don't have friends in the real world and the only friends that you have on the internet Of like like-minded people that also Oh, not me not not me. You know to be fair. I kind of like rants like that. I've done a few of them in my videos I like funny. It's just yeah. Yeah, they're funny when you're right Like when you're correct, it's really cathartic and it feels great and it's wonderful But when you're just wrong about everything after you do your hungarian racist rant It's just a little kind of like uh, I'm not I'm not a bad person but hungarians are bad And also you should watch out for moderates. They're probably evil This is like oh shit behave in the same way Um I mean, I'm sorry. It's of here. Here's a pill. Okay here take it The hard to swallow pill Nice Okay, oh, but but that's the truth It's literally the truth and like you seek out other people that are exactly like you and then you fucking despise them too because You kind of hate yourself and they're behaving in the same way that you're behaving what is going on here The sound's going really hard on the look at look at the even the people in chat feel attacked Because that's why you're in that fucking, uh, you know weird like A pedantic, uh, circle that you're in. Okay, but just don't do that Like you can not do that there's a way To address this and that is like if you notice yourself being fucking weird and and you know If you notice yourself being weird And you know weird means criticizing Hassan specifically. Oh, yeah Trying to get people tripped up on like semantics arguments and stuff like that Like the easiest thing to do is just shut the fuck up. Don't do that Ever again That's some pretty solid advice if you ever get into anybody's face with semantics, just shut the fuck up Because that would be weird and you don't have friends over here. Yes. Yeah. I promise your life will be better I promise your life will be happier Again, I I mean, that's just the truth. I'm sorry for you. This is the accent. Okay. All right Hey, he's just like I just don't lock. I just don't fucking lock when you're doing twitch streams Rock I don't lock it Man, I just don't do fucking twitch streams. I don't lock it. But jeez Just pre-watch every fucking video Man This is a load. This is a low tier impression. I must say I'll lock up Here's an idea no Just no Like there's just no reason to do that Especially when the overwhelming majority of content creators literally appreciate. Ah, we're back here You watching Isn't that what you do already I will I will give him I will give him one point for for the chad. No But that's it. That's all he gets. Don't get points. Why do you get people points for things that aren't like that impressive Yeah, you've done this before dev. I'm trying. I'm trying to wonder about you the nicest person I can be okay Yeah, I mean I do that I do the retract the final version the chad no Okay, because that only works if the person speaks normally so that when they pause it emphasizes the no But when he did the chad no, I thought he was just pausing like he does every five seconds to breathe In between cubs saying a single word Yeah, fair enough fair enough understood version of that you see on my youtube page Because I do in some ways treat the twitch stream Like a a precursor to youtube or the things I talk about here Will inevitably make it make it into my youtube page where that video is Spending 10 million years to say yeah, the shit I do on twitch ends up on youtube Edited so concise But stout it has edit. I just I'm the one that takes ages to say everything apparently, but I don't know hitting in it We delete the the parts that Uh, my actual youtube channel not like the ones that are hasa nabi Uh, fan channels, right because some of them do fucking put like straight segments Without any sort of editing whatsoever and I get annoyed by that, but like there's nothing I can really do Oh Admission Admission you don't like people stealing your content. I mean man like when this happens to you in life You're supposed to kind of go like oh wait I I'm a fan of it here, but I'm not a fan of it here I'm upset when it happens to me, huh, I wonder if other people get upset if these things happen to them Man, what a crazy world we live in where For a moment here. It's like you're so close asad. This asad needs to meet the other asad and they need to have a talk I just urge them not to but they don't They don't listen Oh Wow, what assholes React video about you gets brought up soon. So you probably see there you go The ad to react video gets brought up soon. So you should probably stop watching Trying to protect you hissan just stop watching you know that I don't just do react shit Oh, he's gonna is he gonna start shitting? I can see charlie shitting on me here too. You know that but you still Do Yeah, someone said why would he do that? This is exactly why throwing me under the bus is the safest play because I'm a literal Rightening lightning rod for hate I mean that's because you're a bad person and you do a lot of bad shit. Yeah But no, he's a good guy. Okay. He's a good guy Not to give you the right I think it's very cowardly if content creators do that shit Obviously jokingly is one thing But if they were to fucking do that to deflect attention and criticism away from themselves Albeit like the criticism is completely unjustifiable That's really just a the most cowardly thing you can do Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying charlie. Well, I'm just saying that that like content creators that do that are Fucking cowardly All right And we'll maybe check them out for a little bit to see if it's anything that I can add value to and if not We're done If there is then we're still done because it's gonna be a video that I will then watch the rest of on my own If it is something that I can see he's lining out his plans for the future for video reaction stuff He's honestly putting in a decent chunk of effort here that I would even say is not 100 necessary But it's really appreciated. It's good stuff. Absolutely. Yeah Oh, what will Hasan think truly add something to and add more to for the content in order to branch Yeah, I'm never gonna do that for the record I will never put in the work Yeah, doing the right thing Fuck that cringe It is a completely unrealistic and insane expectation The normal thing is completely unrealistic All right guys, when do you when do you think charlie is gonna learn? That what his plan is is just impossible and he just calls it off and he gives up the first time he tries it He'll go. Whoa. This was impossibly unrealistic. I I I can't believe I even said I'd do it I was in the story the other day and I grabbed some fried chicken off of the counter and they're like you have to pay for that and I'm like that That's so unrealistic. There's so much steps Can I just like let's take it Let's come on. I'm already walking out the door like just around now. Just forget it. Just forget about it Okay, fine, they let him go he puts it in his fridge and then he here's the door and someone's walked in and just taken his chicken He's like what what are you doing? It's like what? Oh, oh, I have to pay you now Come on and then they walk out his door and he's like I don't like it when they do that Can you believe this just happened unrealistic? um, especially for like Okay, when people make demands You have to think about what you're in fact. I don't think jay made the demands that charlie is choosing to move forward with jay didn't demand those But okay action is Okay, like what are you doing that is harmful and what the impact is infraction and impact What is the infraction here? You took stealing content apparently, okay? Yeah, apparently Apparently this is just a legend, of course Who is being harmed by this other content creators and how are they being harmed by this? Potentially they're being harmed because they're losing out on the 30 000 extra views that they would get From the content creator that are watching also. You're a lazy. Fuck if you do it. Let's make sure that's in there Yes, this is a lot of this is just a flat-out indictment of you and your character and your just method of Let's call it work Okay From the content creator like they were all all 30 000 we're going to stumble upon it on their own It's not the argument. Okay. That's not if the infraction itself Is damn you were quick with that if the infraction itself is For the most part completely fucking Just innocuous, okay So, oh man, okay So if you're driving down a freeway that nobody is on and you decide to go like 180 kilometers per hour There is nobody for miles if a cop finds you They can still of course they're still gonna book you for that Doesn't matter You could even make an ethical argument there as well Just like that's still dangerous going to that fucking speed. Well, yeah The only person who is endangered is yourself because I don't know like I thought everybody knew this the way that the Like generally the way that it works is there will be an act that is just considered wrong principally But then how severely you're punished or not it like mitigating factors or you know factors that you know like Oh man, I can't believe it's it's just when you do something wrong That can be the wrong act But then the consequences of that act is like a factor in considering how severe or light the punishment ought to be Yeah, it isn't just the the flat-out determinant on whether or not something's acceptable or Like well, he seems to think that like if nobody was harmed Then something that could have been harmful is fine. You did something. I ran a I ran that stop sign nobody was hurt Yeah, I ran that stop sign, but oh I was going there. So it's all good. Yeah, it's all good The intent of the law is to prevent crashes and I didn't crash. So I'm good, right Yeah, you can violate the law as long as it doesn't hurt anyone Or in his or in his mind because he's he's a We see this from I think we've pretty much seen this from all three of our villains is it's an extremely Short-term kind of thought process. There's no care Or or or I guess you could say mental power that's put into a long term What if everyone did this all the time? What is the effect of my behavior on Creating a sort of pattern of behavior in other people. Am I setting a good example for what others should do? um Am I being a is my is what i'm doing if that was sort of Blown up to a lot of people doing it. Would that make the world better or worse? Would that make the platform better or worse? That is a good way to think about it. Everybody did it this way. All of the consequences be And that's especially applicable applicable to his son because he has all these viewers all these people that tattoo They're his face on their bodies Yes, these people are not mentally well. You need to be very careful Just to be clear that was one person as far as I know, but I mean I'm sure there's even maybe two out there. I'm sure And the action the impact of it is Something that by and large people not only do not care about But also actually appreciate for the overwhelming. Maybe they would care more about it if they knew more about how some of these reactions go Yeah, a lot of them don't know on the face of it I don't don't know like would you be okay with a twitch streamer of 40 000 active viewers reacting to your video? You'd be like well hell, yeah, and then what in reality it is They never even know who made the video and he wasn't there the whole time. She's like, uh, I know that I know this is not exactly comparable But something that's talked about a lot in like art communities and stuff is people who take on commissions for incredibly low prices prices that are You know unfair to them in a sense because of like how much Yeah, I'm a little I'm just getting started out. I don't need that much money. It's just a hot You know for whatever reason a lot of it is just they they're they're overly humble And they don't all art isn't worth that much and you gotta the reason why I invoke this is because Somebody can have a perception of like oh, but this is fine, right? And then someone can come along and go no you really are underselling yourself here Like you should People undersell themselves you can be like well people are fine with this like maybe they don't know How much you're actually screwing them? Yeah, I mean I mean that buyer might This is not to toot my own horn, but I've gotten like art from people and and there's a lot of especially nowadays There's a lot of russian who's who are artists and they're getting Really hit by a lot of the business stuff that's happening and then this ukraine thing And so it's really impacting them and their day-to-day and a lot of people If they're starting out or if they're not too familiar with what their stuff is worth They will really they will significantly under price What their art is And sometimes you got to tell these people like you got to bump those prices up like you're really doing yourself into service I can't I just can't in good conscience say oh, yeah I'll pay you 20 bucks for this magnificent piece of art that you've done It's like you got to you got to charge more. You're worth so much more than this But the thing is that a lot of people take advantage of that right like in this kind of arena any any business arena Right, there's always people that will just take advantage and they won't have that conversation Right. So they'll absolutely say hell. Yeah the 20 bucks for this whole thing Absolutely, I'll commission you all the time because you're just you're just absurdly cheap And I'll just get well. Yeah, essentially I will get while the getting's good You got you got to advocate for yourself, right? Like that's the that's the problem isn't that you can't You know, people don't teach like business acumen or like, you know, having a knowledge of how Grover so it continues, right? I don't know I think a lot of it comes from a mixture of being overly they don't do it for Necessarily at least this is what I've noticed. It's not to make themselves seem very very attractive to business It's because it's a mixture of Them being very overly humble And not thinking that they're actually worth more And they don't really have a good gauge on what that kind of work is actually worth in the marketplace Yeah These things combine and it doesn't work well for them So someone sometimes it takes someone just saying no, you got to charge more you are you are in yourself here This is a very good image too very accurate Let me take a look the virgin hassan piker versus the chad moist critical Uh, thanks 99 of youtubers like non-transform Reaction It doesn't even is too dumb to even be a communist. Oh, wow, that's dumb Doesn't know what a year is Doesn't listen to criticism of him and complains. He doesn't know what it is See react harder On critically got does react on it Yeah Doesn't ban people for dumb reasons Nice casual shirts Yeah, because because uh the vision's wearing the dumb blue shirt Dumb blue shirt What I do is okay because others do it. Yeah, his chair is a better streamer than he is If he was on e-fap, he'd enjoy rhino milk true Most people enjoy it. What is that you're reading? A meme that was posted at him pay the fucking tension Jesus In the discord I like the the criticals go off learns from his mistakes can think critically Yeah, this can't think critically. You gotta you gotta separate them out the ones that can and can't uh Between our two actors Coming majority of content critters. I'm not gonna fucking stop I'm not gonna capitulate to someone who I've never watched before To someone who I will forget about tomorrow understand that that's a good That's a terrible way of looking at it. It's his thought process is so Yeah Off you if you're not gonna be on my stream and be my friend and if I'm you can't get anything from you Why should I care? It's fascinating to me that he basically just said like why would you ever listen to an argument from a person? You don't know it's like I do that all the time like yeah, I might be right All the fucking time I'm gonna be honest. I've got a slightly conservative right 95% of the shit people sound like about your fucking horseshit Okay, you've got to ignore a lot of that a lot of people are fucking stupid Okay, what you've got to be concerned about is is what you're doing like conducive to your goals and your moral system Or whatever fucking bullshit right and obviously the sound's got a lot of problems with a lot of those things You know that though because you have listened to those arguments and you'll be like that's a bullshit one That's a bullshit like the the bullshit detecting comes later Not you wouldn't you wouldn't listen to sound if you said whoa, whoa chat Don't don't don't listen to all these arguments. They're from people you don't know Like what? Yeah, they could be liberal Don't you mean fascists It's oh be wary of anyone who paints Moderates as just a force that needs to be feared and just kill them all Oh, jeez. It's uh, do not live your life like that. It is so bad for you Yeah, the thing is regs like the first time uh, you mentioned that the first time that you got called a sexist You were like, oh no, like did I do something wrong? I'm not yeah, I'm not that thing Like why would you call me? I can't oh my god And then eventually get used to it, right? But then you have to also realize, you know, maybe something maybe this time You actually did something so you have to like finally tune that sense Which just comes with a lot of repetition a lot of a lot of being called things that is just bullshit What is the size chart? Ridiculous I fixed up the size chart I'm not even on it. I did a little edit on it. You're there. It's very small. Yeah Well, I thought I'd be huge. I mean I'm a big fat guy, right? I didn't know you're just being like a giant circle towering over everyone Maybe you're you're wearing a gray shirt right now. You just did the back Adam's shoulder somewhere, okay I don't know who uh, I don't I didn't take anyone out. I don't think I don't know who the people are just 20 dev just wants you to draw a little sickle so he can be in it Dev wasn't in the original picture sadly. Just make an appropriate That's why all right, yeah That's still a large chunk of the video itself So it is still pretty close to like almost the full run time in some cases So again going forward. I won't just be rolling dice hoping I can add to whatever video gets recommended on youtube night I will be maybe checking them for a little bit And then if it's something that I can add to I'll look at the rest on my own and maybe make content out of As a response to it as opposed to a real-time reaction, which has always been the majority of my content Anyway, I think what really helped me understand this perspective wasn't dark vipers video. It was actually jxs They made a great video recently. It's just going over the entire react ecosystem. Just going over everything from the perspective of someone He's hearing all of this, but you know You know whatever I'd say in one ear and out the other but I you wonder if it gets in the first year It's just so awkward after shitting on j so much to then be like I trust charlie charlie's a good guy charlie knows what's up Charlie's like j's good because I was like Well, uh They tried to warn him so they did try to warn him video reacted to by multiple people myself included It's actually the video of the bizarre housewalk through the one that I mentioned was a very shameful moment for me Where it's a video I really liked but didn't react hard to I'd already seen for the record And I've as I've said this already Earlier today, I like how all of the chat of colin charlie a cuck now because before remember how It was and look at how quickly the tide turns. Well, we don't like j right now. That's the atmosphere bad j So anybody who's like, yeah j's cool. It's like, oh that person's bad too Damn them And as I said even back then that person is correct I should not have watched his video You get yelled at I shouldn't have watched that. It's always gonna be this reduction He never understands what he was Yeah Doesn't understand that's slightly different though. Like he used to say I stop when you tell me to stop But now he just said I shouldn't have watched it Yeah, but I wonder if that's more so just because it's causing me all these problems I don't know. Yeah, maybe like yeah when you um When you tell someone they did a they did a wrong thing and they say I should oh I just shouldn't have even come here. Like no, you'd be here. You just don't do the wrong thing But you don't steal you could be here. That's fine. Just just don't steal Because you know Charlie Nassan is sitting right next to j and j's like, oh, you know, these are all my issues and then charlie's like, yeah No, I agree. My reaction was shit. And then the song goes. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you I never should have watched the video and j like has a suspicious set of eyes on sound like what do you What do you mean? What? He's like, yeah, I agree. I agree with all you guys. I shouldn't have watched it. It's like, no, I'm saying your reaction was shit He's like, yeah, yeah, I agree. I shouldn't have watched the video Well, moller, here's what I think he's trying to do Maybe I'm reading too far into it, which is even this is giving him a lot of credit But I think that this is his way of framing it as if his Detractors have a problem with him personally Which is why he's phrasing it as oh, I shouldn't have even reacted to the video because it's all about Me doing it. That's what your problem. It's that I did anything at all. I shouldn't have even engaged in this whatsoever I think that's what his mind is trying to do I certainly Agree with the idea that that's how he feels now. He's like if only I'd never fucking watched this j video fuck's sake, you know All of it would have been avoided And as I said even back then that person is correct I should not have watched his video You get yelled at for pausing and talking too much they yelled at for not reacting hard enough. What are you supposed to do now? I mean, what the fuck do you mean? I'm oh Imagine you could you could phrase this in in 10 million in one different ways Oh, if I'm in the if I'm on the the far left the far right will hate me if on the far left The far lid this will hate me if I'm on any political position some other political position What am I supposed to do? I guess I just can't have a political position As opposed to just picking the one that you believe in the most and weathering the criticism that you get Is if a chef is making a soup a delicious soup And then they just pour a bucket of salt into it and people say wow that's this is really salty You went overboard and the chef says Oh, so I don't put any salt in it and people say it needs salt and I put salt in it and people say Oh, you put too much salt in it. What am I supposed to do? I quit. No, he says I supposed to die and then falls over I'm supposed to die By the way, the reason I'm showing this clip is that he said hey back then I apologized And then someone's just highlighted what are you supposed to do now that they've highlighted the you know You don't react hard enough and this was his response literally going to do exactly what I've been doing Which is whatever the fuck I want to do, bitch. Well, man, he totally agree with Jay's point, huh? What a good person Cunt You didn't agree with shit What are you talking about? You couldn't really ask for more explicit declaration that he's not going to change the way he does things That person is correct to say dude, you walked away. You didn't even give good reactions to this. This is my work That's correct I've said this a year ago But it doesn't matter The way he's freezing it is like what do you say you're correct? Are you are you finally agreeing your reaction was of poor quality? Yeah, or are you still saying? Um Yeah, you're right I don't have to watch your stuff anymore because you don't want me to you know that weird point Huh Well, actually, I'm not sure if that that points that weird. Do you guys recall about a year? It was about a year ago. Actually well div is handing out points. I'm gonna get a beverage Don't walk away rag get to react to this properly. No, I actually do have to get a drink. It's in the freezer It will freeze into a block Are you gonna hear it clinkle around in the background again? We probably will Okay, so you guys recall about a year ago. Um, I think it was about a year ago Is I think his name is big Joel that's That's not a name for the son's real name. Yes. I'm familiar Yes So big Joel basically said that he found it weird that when sargon wanted to talk to him sargon was being polite to Even though He disagrees with sargon's points and he knew that sargon disagreed with his And sargon's like well, yeah, I mean I'm still gonna like I'm not just gonna treat you like shit Even though we are politically mortal enemies And you couldn't wrap his head around that I think that's how a lot of these people think is that if You don't agree with their their their stance on something then you have to hate them You have to treat them like like they're scum. It's like well not necessarily but they conflate these two ideas And so that I think that's what that's where you get um, yeah, this is this is sorry This is true This is absolutely a thing that exists and I've experienced it myself Where I've spoken to like critically thinking veteran on stream and like it's the pushback meme pushback harder And it's like we're just having a chat and disagreeing about something, right? We don't need to beat each other's throats, you know and even if like say, you know We got into some shit talking or whatever you can walk away and be chill and be you know Pleasant to each other even if you've got bitter disagreements and Yeah, it's just like this idea that it comes comes a lot from the left I think that you've got to be bitterly at the throat of people you disagree with constantly But like we all know we we are friends in real life with people we disagree with and it's like You just go for a beer have a bit of a fight about politics for a bit and then you have a good night Right, you don't have to be like constantly at each other's throats and that's what we will expect and it's just not it's not reality Yeah, yeah, I mean I not not to just you know beat a dead horse I think But I think it comes from the everything is political point of view that that's just this this this This view of how you treat other people is just naturally downstream from that Well, the recent definitely a big drama that happened with um Tactical misogyny or whatever was going on with jk roley and all that It was a time of like It's like you can't use that shit on people. It's wrong It's like it's not wrong if they're pieces of shit, right? If there's people we disagree with we can just be pieces of shit to them, right? And it's like Well, not if you have decided if you're gonna do it just yeah, you're a stupid bitch. Fuck you If your moral system says you can throw that at everybody all the time and it's chill Or it says you shouldn't do it because it's a bad action It's like well, then you can't do it and it's like well No, but it has a caveat next to it that you can do it to people you hate. It's like that's a stupid caveat I think What's happening what's happening there mauler is that they want to Appear to be very morally righteous by saying no, you can never do it You know a great example You can never misgender somebody if they're trans even if you might disagree with them. You can never do that They want to accept it They want to have that that moral righteousness of appearing to be that good of a person But then you know, there's that clip of of vosh saying, okay, we can now misgender Riley grace roshong because I just agree with her opinions. It's like come on. Come the fuck on then like Was that a joke? Wait, hang on. I don't know. I've not seen that. I've seen a lot of clips. I have a lot of clips I would I would assume you know, I haven't tucked away in a file I can get it to you another time if you like but I haven't tucked away I would assume he's joking because that sounds like the kind of thing to get him fucking canceled um He wasn't I don't think all right. I I was trying to I I've watched a fair amount of vosh at this point and you can He changes his rhetoric significantly when he knows that somebody outside of his community is watching So like a debate or something or when he thinks that he's just streaming only in his community A lot of his opinions a lot of things he says radically shifts So I do have the clip I can get it to you another time if you like chud Yeah, sure for sure, you know, I'm not like looking to like Be be super defensive or anyone in particular It's just I see a lot of clips and if there's one I haven't seen that sounds interesting Even I find it unlikely. He would have meant that it seems unlikely from what I know about him, but Damn You never know with him. That's the thing. I automatically say everything I come across. I have it somewhere Was he saying it in the context of like she made some argument and he's like well according to her argument now I can misgender her Um, I don't think so. I think it was just I hate her now and so I mean, I'm that one's okay. No, I'm gonna be more specific because I remember I remember what he said He's like, I don't care if you do this Not we should do this, but if you're in my community, I don't care if you do this Ah, here we go. That's peddling begins. Let's go. I would still say that's pretty bad if he said that That's pretty fucking bad from his own sort of morality. Listen. I've done it once already. I'm gonna do it again. Okay Do it I'm gonna do the out of sucksy quote. Okay. Do it. Yeah, there we go Is it all this fucksley? Yeah, the surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people the chance of maltreating someone To be destroyed with good conscience. Um, this is the height of psychological luxury the most delicious of moral treats That is so fucking relevant all the fucking time. It is so true Right, isn't it madness like there's some fucking brave new world that book, but it's so true Because then they continued They continued to make more and more content about it because now charlie's fucking talking about it Like this is the point Charlie's conceding to jay Like the charlie has it has explicitly said I did a wrong to jay Like I don't understand of course. He's talking about it. He feels he has to to address the problem I can't believe this is getting shunned like It takes a hastan. It's cheese There are positive ways of There are positive ways of fucking dealing with other people's content, right There are positive ways of engaging with someone reactions And then there are negative ways of dealing with someone Not reacting to the work at all that's one Yes Yes, which is what dark viper is doing which is what jay is doing Wow, which is uh to attack To criticize and you're literally attacking jay right now. We're attacking to criticize the wrong way to respond to this He's already what what if they what if they think you're wrong? How else and what if you've attacked them? Yeah, well No, we don't we we forget about that Yeah Yeah, like what so someone perceives that you've wronged them and the bad way to respond would be to criticize you for that What other what options do they have otherwise? fucking uh pieced together as much of a negative hate farming negative engagement as you possibly can Okay I personally think Reacting is a better way to merge communities to win over new fans. There's a way to do it Bring on the creator talk to him for like 20 minutes about the video and why they made it How how be that for merging community stopped pretending like you're some altruistic god That's just trying to help everybody and take care of chat. It's such a lie in the world a better place Is I don't even really want to be here. I'm just doing it all for you guys It's such a this is such a burden what I do, but I do it for you I bear this weight for all of you You're a bearable weight of massive talent I'm an angel And that the at most if you do like negative farming negative hatred Engagement farming you're gonna see a minor bump But explain drama early. I'm gonna keep saying it. It's like a channel that's extremely Bumped forever all while farming just people getting into negative situations I don't think has he even done a video on drama early where it's about like something positive happening I'm assuming not but maybe people people people love drama I mean basically youtube twitch drama is basically like so proper as for for zoomers, you know, like that's what it falls down to Like it's not really Relevant to the points we're making which is such a weird point that he is making It's like I need you guys to know that trying to farm negative things doesn't work. It's like what does it does? what do you mean Content a lot of this content is about farming negative reactions as well, you know Capitalism bad police bad all this kind of shit, you know Come to your side are gonna be incredibly fucking toxic now That by the way I think it was metal commander, by the way He saw the thumbnail for this stream And he saw he like he put a wheeze straight away and I thought he was just laughing at the um The fact that it was lord fuck one was a son But he then did a quote and he said some of you may have your content stolen But it's a sacrifice. I'm willing to make This is fucking perfect So now I'm stealing that and it was always intentional. Okay. That was always a part of the thumbnail Thank you. Yeah 99.9 of the time people love it when you steal their stuff from thumbnails So really it's a okay Person literally again remember it's a five minute video From one fucking year ago that I have already addressed. I said hey I do this sometimes people don't I should have put a counter for the amount of times He said this every single time he has any kind of argument about anything. He just repeats this line Every time it says it's a safe It's it's his thing that he could always retreat back to Like when I'm watching their videos and I deeply am apologetic. Oh and to remind everybody it's not a year six months There's a difference. Okay I mean Is there really a difference Even if it was a year it wouldn't matter. I think that's why we don't care to clarify So we're just like who the fuck cares if it was a year or 10. It doesn't matter Drama limitations on the One year in a day, it would be interesting if he said like this happened Yesterday, dude This was six hours ago get over it move on I don't see this as like a major infraction and I just never watched the videos of you to decide Yeah, it is it is not the it is not the the um Shall we say a privilege in a sense of the aggressor to decide based on how they feel the severity of their infraction You killed this man. Yeah, but I didn't I wasn't like I don't think it's that big of a deal, honestly Yeah, if you go then yeah, and then I move on this is what I said one fucking year ago No, no you said and you didn't say a year ago. Just nope. Nope. Nope. He made a video or they made a video not that bad Normally, he's afterwards. They uh had like a bunch of fucking nazis and the kill stream Nazis, yeah, see he's he's absorbed that comment. It's just reality now. That's just how it works together into an eight hour reaction Yeah, jay was on the stream He's He also seems to at this point be actually confusing e-fap for the kill stream directly I mean He probably is picturing straight up the kill stream not e-fap, but it's it doesn't matter because He doesn't know what e-fap is because the first time he heard about it He said fuck us and he wasn't gonna watch anything that we've made Which is fine. You don't have to but at the same time Can you not say these things? And then call us nazis that's some The first quote was something like guys from the kill stream or guys like the kill stream now It's just the kill stream. I think the first the quote was explicitly it was kill stream nazis That's the thing he's absorbed it. That's just truth The entire stream I think it was an eight or 10 hour fucking podcast. They did on that. Ooh, okay. I mean, yeah That kind of gives it away right there. I don't know if that's a problem though. Well, it could still be you guys You could still be the nazis too Yeah, what if he's talking about you guys maybe you guys are the kill stream. How about that? Yeah, we didn't cover the jay No, we didn't but you've covered his song There you go. Ha So here's the thing the fact that you think that there's any prerequisite to rule you out of what he could be referring to We're adorable because They do like they do that out of a station like well, he wouldn't consider us nazis I yeah, it couldn't have been us because of this reason. I was like, no that he could still be talking about you You could be you could have died 10 years ago And he could he's it wouldn't have mattered he still could think that you're talking that he's talking about you And I apologize back then And they held on to the grudge And then they made another video Now Man, you make it sound so extreme. The reality is you had your stupid reaction. We covered it and then we left it alone Jay puts out the video. You have another stupid reaction. We covered it It's always been in response to your stupid statements. I don't know Cause and effect I can't wait till he sees the third one Man, and yet meanwhile charlie hasn't had any responses or anything. Jay hasn't felt inclined to criticize Weird What the fuck is the difference? I wonder what the difference is. I wonder if there's any difference in the The response. I know we'll figure it out at some point. Maybe Another video a year later Sargon of a god joined multiple eight hours. I love how he just jumps every time some jump Just says something So uh sargon did join I think either the first or second stream well after well after the coverage was done It was in the super chats and he just came into banter about different He did come on our stream though Well, but like but I don't we weren't covering this He's definitely talking about us at this point or at least his chat is I think yeah the fact is like He's combined disparate vague pieces of information and then concretely decided It was a nazi kill stream that ran for 10 hours twice with jay and sargon which what Take all of those words and jumble them up and still is nowhere close to the truth. No, I don't know what he's gone Well, I think that's the insane part about this. It's all wrong And all of this is wrong and it all stems from two Two People that you saw a chat who said something and he just watched onto it. Why would his chat lie to him? Come on It might be that they have the same problem that like they've just fundamentally misunderstood that they've heard something But they've never watched this on for entertainment They choose to do this for entertainment and not in the way that we watch him for entertainment, but not gone ironic Are you not entertains I had I realized halfway Are you not entertained if you expect me to think that that person is charitable at this point? I don't know what to tell you totally fabricated. Nazi can be charitable. I'm sorry Even if everything you said was true, they can still be charitable in assessing what you've done Why the fuck the the more important point is he fabricate all that himself It's a false reality. You're like, why would it be good faith to somebody who didn't do any of the things I'm saying they did like It's bizarre to just invent a whole bunch of shit and then criticize the invented shit. Just I guess that's just straw manning Good old-fashioned It's pretty good straw man You've erected a false jay who went on a stream with a bunch of kill stream guys And apparently saga jumped onto jump on the fun too And it's just all wrong and jay standing in the corner like hi Oh man, what are you doing? The false jay The false jay You're a fucking psycho if you think that that is a charitable person. No, that is a deranged person All right, uh, they're of course, I'm cool You have a deranged person I just This person you created it was a little bit deranged sure, but who are they what's happening? It's a five minute video which I apologize for it's incredibly petty. Oh five minutes. Wasn't it 15? I I saw a flying by in the chat there that were also in cells. Oh Hell, yeah, sure. Don't you supposed to be fixing your image on that one voluntary? Listen, I'm gonna I'm trying to fix it, but the misogyny's got reduced by 10 percent for me to really push I refuse that deal Okay, you're voluntary celibates. We are saving it for marriage missionary and only for the purpose of procreation. Yes um, I I love the fact right so uh jay highlighted this in tweets So he said it was a year ago. It was Several streams and and all this shit, but then when regarding how much did Hasan steal? He says five minutes five minute video So it's interesting how the fuzziness of his brain is very biased against jay when needing when needed to be Faced in favor of himself. It's just like that's just weird how that worked out, isn't it? All of this it's like if you just line it up a five minute video is actually 15 minutes Six months ago a year ago. It was actually six months ago Jay was on the stream. Jay wasn't on the stream I at what point do you just write off like Hasan's assessment of this situation when there's so much about it Anything right? Yeah, actually categorically not even up to an opinion. He is just wrong on the facts Maybe he thinks that it's like a like he gets points like a combo for lying and he just keeps the longer you go Points you get and if you get a high score, then you win another mansion or something Oh, man, eternal sunshine said we're losers Well, snuck in the sunshine We told you said that Oh, no, I didn't know he wasn't even in chat. Yeah, yeah, there's loads of people calling you losers there. I was just No, of course We're winners. I I expect your chat to do it, but Hasan's chat really no Oh, look, we're fame grabbers Man, look commentary channels are the lowest tier of humanity the lowest tier really The lowest commentary channels, they think they're talking strictly about Jay there or something It's like, what is this sad doing if not commentary if not a commentator Isn't it a political commentator like what does wikipedia say? Hold on. Sorry. I need to know I just want to bring up He's in wikipedia. Just look up nepotism. I think yes. I think he's in there based Hasan piker is a turkish american twitch streamer and a left-wing political commentator. Oh, man Well, I mean it's no matter if that guy gets banned Yeah, he's like don't be so fucking offensive. Jeez Yeah, you're giving Jay exactly what he wants It's incredibly fucking petty Man, really? Yeah, it is. I throw what I agree. It is incredibly petty, Hasan The truth now, let's watch the rest of this seen it And I just basically shared it with my community without adding anything to it and they were upset with that Which I totally do get and they made a video and he did yeah Oh, yeah, by the way, Hasan just fucked off actually like interesting points that are made in this It's like there's more from charlie's sort of pieces that are covered by Hasan than there is from Hasan which It's not even unusual really because Makes sense going over that whole situation and really helped put it in perspective for me to understand things better And by the way, yeah, so they're basically utilizing and profiting off of react content by complaining about it Got it. No, that's precisely what they're doing their shit But the Jay is reacting to you Taking his stuff Jay makes x you react to x j reacts to your reaction And jay's the one that's clout farming is like Now Yeah, you already did the thing and jay funnily enough, Hasan's already said jay has a bigger youtube channel than he does Therefore the argument can be made that Hasan is farming jay by his own logic Yeah, he has a bigger to it to be fair Jay has a bigger youtube channel, but obviously Hasan's twitch dwarfs jay's presence on online Mm-hmm That is exactly what they're doing That is what they're doing. Yes. You haven't even seen the video, dude. You have no idea Well, why would he he can smell bad faith? We went over this Ah, yeah, well imagine if you clicked on the video and it wasn't about Hasan. That was just the title It's like that was a lie. Hasan. This was a test You fail That would be fucking brilliant Like making a major like look dude lulcows are not the fucking New thing on the internet. Okay dark side fill is like a very You are a lulcow. That's true They're still all going he is right though dark side fill is one of the oldest ones that started it up, right? There was um Who's like the first lulcow? Would he be it christian? Maybe maybe christian. Yeah common one And for a lot of fucking weirdo neck bearded pasty fucks that spend all their time on kiwi farms and fortune They try to fucking lulcow. Can you call someone pasty? Is that I think you're allowed to do that in the general parlance on twitch. Yeah, I know you're allowed to Isn't it's already behind a racial I can even say cracker as long as I don't use it in a directed way It's fine, right? Yeah Well pasty is like you're inside a bit too much. I guess it can only be used against white people I know if a black person spent five years inside would they get pasty? I don't know. Um, I mean you're black There's definitely there's definitely different varieties and I mean there's a lot of varieties and skin tones for people who generally considered to be black Um, and yeah, if you stay inside too much then your skin can go a little bit payload But I don't know that anybody would ever describe A black guy who spends a little bit too much time inside as pasty. I think at that point Kind of doing a bit of a reach here, you know Anything that anybody has ever said ever in the world could be wrong though um So welcome to a super cat because he's about to say Like in in an incredulous way. They try to lulcow me The fucks that spend all their time on kiwi farms in 4chan. They try to fucking lulcow me Says base level lefty takes You guys are coping so fucking hard Nine months subscriber following since march 7 2019 Why was all of that information desperately needed to Why did you need that? Why can't you just address the thing said? Yeah, this need for him to I gotta dig up So many people are like this. It's this this this horrific social media twitter Union on on his wall because they're really misunderstood and they're wonderful people And they did great things This um, this is a selection of clips that obviously will get back to the main timeline eventually But this is a little a little delve into the world of his own Here you go My friend i'm going to save you From the brain disease that you've had for since 2019 Okay, stay clearly you can't Stop yourself like you still come in here. You still subscribe or get a gifted sub Uh, and and i'm gonna help you out. Okay I am going to put you down Like Jesus, you know Like a horse that can't it's a privilege to listen to me that you don't go to the glue factory. Okay. It's been a beautiful nine months But uh, you know, there you go To the glue factory for you. All right, just finally you can be free just the phrase You it's it's been a it's been a beautiful nine months, but you're going to the glue factory out of context Jesus okay Approves of you So the guy bad he said he said he's part of saying easy claps. So just I guess the guy's just like easy. I'm out right You are your life is so sad That you don't even know Okay, okay listen cat is is it is listen to the justification. Maybe you'll agree with him for you. Who knows Adrenaline that you ever can get is a brief moment where I recognize your existence That is so pathetic You are not even a worm You are less than a worm and this is why you have no friends Is what happened what like why are you so angry at this guy? I don't know what this guy said, but are you telling me you never do this with your like youtube comments? No I don't think you've ever said like You're less than a worm for someone saying You gotta fucking tell him straight. Fuck you So the thing is this it's totally fine to argue with people and get into fights over the arguments But when you're like, oh, what's your name? What are all of the messages you've sent in the past? How long have you been giving me money? You're a pathetic worthless worm piece of shit I think there are funny ways to do lots of this, but this comes across like is anyone else getting the vibe of like, oh man Asan is like really angry at this one person and the person said something like something pretty tame, right? It was I forgot what it was, but it was like Uh, based lefty takes or something Wish That was enough for this public execution It's just Is why you spend all your time on the lord at the top of his fiefdom, you know, yeah You know he looks it in the wrong way and he fucking gets him executed immediately Internet, this is why you constantly question yourself Does this person hate me whenever you have new interactions before they get to recognize how deeply disturbed you are You always question yourself thinking Fuck are they gonna are they gonna hate me when they find out a little bit more about myself? What is happening a little bit more about myself? Why does he keep sorry? I like how we get distracted from this incredibly cruel like commentary just with the grammar, but Stop saying myself when you mean me. All right. Myself is often unnecessary. But hey, I think he actually means himself Well, he so he's talking about the projection. He's talking about himself Yeah, he was talking about as though he were the guy in chat He was saying like when you fuck it. I don't care. Look, the this one is We got we got one example. So why do you guys, you know, it's fine. It's one who cares Right, I'm live and alive and we got a lot to talk about. I was right about Ukraine. That's right War is not imminent. Oh Yeah Whoops anyway, we're gonna talk about that in a bunch of other stuff. So get in now Anything from you for this you can literally go back and look at the fucking the dms that they will openly admit Literally bought them computers. I said here you get to own the means for your fucking production Oh, no Here's your computer Sucker This way you can do whatever you want with your own computer But of course these So horny so fucking horny The disparate someone that they fucking hate Are going to rush the judgment even after this piece of fucking garbage Knew that this clip was new that this fucking tweet was deleted and he still talked about it on his fucking stream Is he's a piece of shit and no different than talking to me to spend Man he's just he was talking so much earlier about keeping you cool, you know Yeah If you see this kind of behavior in yourself you can stop it It's like a candidate for the best things to have it on the internet this good Just to clarify for anyone missing this in chat. He pronounced his gnome as good gnome Good gnome. He's see moller. There's a g and what are you talking about? There's clearly a g Oh, what else we got the record my issue is the trans person is the fact that you a guy that isn't super well Versed on transship brought on a known transphobe knowing he might bring up transphobic shit. You aren't exactly a vajah trans debates Oh, no See, you know I think because he just read out the message you heard it right the guy was like you should know more about trans issues If you're gonna find and defend them against someone who's very anti trans issues. You're no Yeah, that's the normal take for everything try not to go aggressive on points, you know fucking nothing about This comments I did a whole video about this moment because it was so shocking to me They even said at the end like thanks for the effort. Anyway, I really like you They're very positive about a sign at the end as well But basically you saw good parmesan devotion. He fucking saw red and he well, yeah, because look what happened Hope I hope That the rest of your life is as horrible as it is every single day. Okay. Jesus christ Oh How do you do that to that comment that comment was so relaxed. I hope your life is Does everyone understand the relevant like this put this person that he's speaking to as a trans person, right? So you understand what he's trying to say there, right? Which is that would be even more fucked up. He's basically saying more dysphoria Yeah, he's basically saying your life is fucked up in my interpretation. I should say to be generous, right? Maybe right is I think he's kind of saying like your life is shit I hope it continues to be because you're trans that was my interpretation of it. I appreciate you can see it differently, but the other I I think that's just incidental. I would be willing. I think Because he's not very good at making fun of people he's he's a little clumsy with it So I could be every time it seems to be my life is better than yours, which is it's weird, right? Like if you have to say that I don't know Yeah, I think I've brought this up all three evenings, but it seems very high school You know like the rich kid who says my parents won't buy me anything Yep It was like you just translated Standard high school bullshit like into except now it's about politics and like it's people making lots of money It's just all of these weird multipliers and parasocial stuff and you know You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull a dev here and I'm gonna start passing out points. Hear me out Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a bone to Hassan, right? So here's what I think I think he's he's operating at a level that is just above us clearly In ways we couldn't hope to and I'll explain why Um, Hassan is a fervent believer in horseshoe theory, right? So I don't know if this is true or not. This is maybe deep down. He does therefore He thinks that if he insults a trans person by wishing on them Continue dysphoria as they have now as a as a form of punishment to have them be miserable Which is a terrible thing Maybe he thinks that due to horseshoe theory if you experience enough dysphoria It'll come all the way back around To notice for you whatsoever and he's actually wishing this person the best and that one day they'll get well Oh, you're saying he's like a hero kind of he really is deep to absolutely He's actually Kid he'll take the public hit in the hopes of uh, he's like Batman. I mean, yeah You could view it that way. It just seems like he's being an ass, but you know, oh, no No, that's just that's just that's a really surface level reading of Hassan. Oh, yeah You really have to understand him as a person Is this what I fucking sound like regs? And you're saying that the person who left this message ended it with I appreciate the effort though cheers Thanks. I appreciate that paraphrasing, but it was clearly like a positive ending to it as well. Like it wasn't like How that's been Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, because this happens all the time with these comments. They're so soft and benign and supportive They're just not supportive in the party approved away. And so he ends up totally he doesn't want to hear He's a shooting here Hey, what I need to defend us on here. Okay a little bit a tiny bit So here's the thing when you're streaming and you're doing quite provocative content Sometimes if you're really angry about something someone can say something you do see red I've had it where I've banned someone from chatting the next day. I'm like, oh, that was too harsh. I'll unban them Like, you know, I mean, he doesn't do that second. I mean The thing is is that you can just walk away There have been times when I've gotten a little bit annoyed and it's just like, all right It's just Like you don't have to lash out and freak out But lashing out is part of the content sometimes as long as I From this person's perspective all that's happened to them is that they've just been fucked publicly They've been really raked over the coals and made to look like a piece of shit in front of an audience They probably felt some sense of community with like some innocuous little thing But to them it matters a lot more But on the fact that the following day you would have unbanned this person and been like, yeah I was a little angry like he doesn't do that He does he can't smell self-reflection He doesn't know how to do any of this. It's just not in his it's not in his game plan That's a sign of weakness to go back on something that you've done like that. It's a sign of weakness that he just can't show I've been triggered by the chat. I've been triggered by people we talked to but I try and I think I always have I always apologize, you know, once I cool down I'm like, okay, I shouldn't let my emotions get the best of me, but Hassan never I mean, that's the problems This is the entire situation with Jay Hassan never Backs down he sticks his foot in the mud and he says I'm just gonna keep digging this hole deeper and deeper and deeper And fuck you if you dare criticize me I think he um, I think I think you're writing that it's like Oh man, do I want to just be quoting like I'm sure Marcus Aurelius talked about this But you know how like there's an emotional response you have But there's like that moment of sort of clarity in your mind where you recognize. Oh, I'm really mad Uh, but I have an opportunity to stop this right now Right and just like put the brakes on it that like reckon you can do it He even said it remember how he said like, you don't need to get angry, you know, just put some time between us Like, yeah, maybe you should take your own advice. Sometimes just like stop Maybe maybe this is just his way of seeking out criticism as he said earlier Different way of doing it baby. I don't know He's so hungry for criticism. He has to create it Simping for criticism How often is it that in a Hassan piker discussion Marcus Aurelius is brought up in the same This is the first time I guess it's because I mean, you know Sometimes you get mad and then like you you screw up or something or you you just like, um, you don't respond as well As you should have I don't know that anybody would expect anybody to respond perfectly all the time But damn it feels like a pretty consistent pattern of behavior. Like, I don't know Feels like this happens enough times that The cool Marcus Aurelius quote in chat, uh, you are less than a worm. You're a gnom Oh no, I don't think you said that Well, that's that's the Latin you see Marcus Yeah, so that's that's the latin that's correct. That's correct. The gms. Yeah, it's a I never understood that line until today No, I dude. I was always so thrown on it. Yeah He literally thought it was gnom Listen English isn't his first language. Okay Deserved 9-11 ableism that is able racism No, no, he said that himself to to excuse his america deserve 9-11 comment. Uh Oh, was that as excuse wait really? Wow Is it is it like his fourth? No, he doesn't know multiple languages. No way. Okay. Listen. Listen guys I'm having such a good time and I've been holding back But it's nearly 1 a.m. For me and I think I need to bow out. I don't know I'm having a really good time, but I'm just so I'm you fucking bullshit. Okay That is a okay, sir. It has been almost six hours. I don't blame you and we've still only gotten halfway through this Yeah, halfway through. I'm just looking at that bar and I'm like, I can't you know another Well, that's another six hours. All right. Jesus Weak But I don't know I feel a bit like, you know, you know when you're a party and you're like, okay Well, I see everyone, you know, it's a bit cringe, isn't it? So, uh, I don't know how to do this You are well When you say it and no one reacts in any way All you gotta do is tell chat about what you do on channel And then I will post it in chat and tell them to click the description if they want to go get you I've even got your youtube and twitch in there. Can you believe it? Nice? Wow. Okay So i'm chud logic. I'm one of the good lefties is as they might say come and check out my stuff I do loads of cool stuff loads of great stuff. If you want to see people shitting on a sauna do that Um, I don't know. What else do you chat like to see racism misogyny bigotry is a little bit of that sometimes if you like Just pure hatred of women less fucking go Um, yeah, and uh, come and check me out chud logic on any good social media platform Thanks for having me on and it's been great talking to you Coming on. Absolutely, man. Thank you so much. Yeah, we will Take care, man. Later. See you No worries. Thanks a lot Ciao. Bye. Bye. See you Can you be the guy who was on a stream with nazis? I know He's a nazis And it's really great. He was on a stream with jay and sargon You just say jay. I can't believe we got him to we got him to buy into to white lives matter. Yeah, we did All the meat still matters Uh, shall we continue with his son's bereavement of this? No suck my dick I despise you. I despise you more than anything else on the planet Wow Wow only one thing can be your most despised thing what what an accolade More than malaria Like if someone if someone had said If you'd read on a comment that was like you are pathetic you never add anything you're useless this debate was horrible And it's indicative of your lack of creativity and talent I could maybe see how this could happen But they said like please don't debate people who are more equipped to defeat you on the argument with relation to trans If you're not capable of simple stuff Now this person is literally the worst thing on planet earth Holy shit Okay, you are cancer in this community and you're a cancer in every community suck my dick for the past 15 months You've been able to fucking hide in these ranks you cat boy Move your cat boy out of here cat boy never welcome. Yeah, the name of the profile was cat boy Rip cat boy rip cat. Hey, you can't say that to a trans person. He identifies as a cat boy I can't see that it's so absurd like to rip into them to that level that'd be like, yeah cat boy Oh It feels is he allowed to say suck my dick. Is that something that lefties are allowed to say? I don't know It's something to suck your dick. It's weird because there is some a tinge of homophobia in it But I don't think people perceive suck my dick is like a homophobic. I'm just surprised. Yeah I'm not disgusted because there's a dick in my mouth involved It's because it's because there's a Hassan That's why it's a little bit surprising right that it wouldn't be against he or has to uh Well, sure and How is it not more like how people not talking about this more in his camp like this is like Really bad. Well, surely this is unacceptable. He does this all the time the hungry thing and you're in his home camp But like all of the modifiers you've got a trans woman saying I think that you on trans issues Your lack of ability to debate this topic is harmful so uh To me broadly and you know broadly the group that I'm belong to and then his response is like this incredibly vitriolic attack How was that not like against how how how can people look at that and be like ha ha 15 months lull Like instead of you run the fence for him of native dissonance. I don't know. Yeah, you think that telling a trans person to Perform a sex act on you against their will presumably would be super no no bill But I I guess he gets away with it I guess to be because I don't give a shit myself. It's just the internet talk to us. It's just I'm pointing out Does this is there not an inconsistency in the way that they Treat discourse because I'm well, so I think I'm getting a little bit cynical listening to Went thinking about this situation. It's like how can you how can you claim to espouse for these problems like these? How do you espouse these positions or claim that you do? But then when someone says I think that the way that you've handled it is detrimental to my positions and instead of saying Um, no, I disagree but thanks for you know, like maybe I'll take that on board instead It's you're worthless. You're the worst thing in the world and then you're all like hard pog champ Like how do you how do you sit there and go? You know what? I actually do care about these things God, let's see Oh, sorry. I'm getting annoyed. Here's here's a horrible potential black pill is that maybe Hassan's audience likes That he gets away with being a despicable hypocrite because it's kind of his brand right now It's I'm the socialist and yet I spend this brand is being a despicable. Yeah, because it's like I'm the socialist Yet I get three million dollars for a west, you know, hollywood mansion. I spend 200 grand on a on a car I rip off people's content. I don't pay my editors like I don't know. It seems like maybe all those audience wants to be in that same position Or they can virtue signal and not live that way at all I I feel like it's simpler. It's that you don't really care about these principles. You just want to be part of like a little club Maybe This is a big club right now And you believe in things. Yeah, exactly and then have a level of righteous indignation When people get God, I don't want to be like this cynical about just the way that people operate. It's a more positive way I don't know. I guess it makes because it just feels so like Yeah, it just annoys me a bit I don't want to think really consistent, you know, we're like, yeah, like if all racial if one goes they all go Like it's it's got to be consistent, you know, and they're just like fuck it. We don't even care We don't have any baseline to work with. I think I think uh, sorry go for it. P. S. I was gonna say to be to be fair I mean the the marxian principle that he's kind of Living by is is not for consistency because it's all about oh, whoever has the power You know has different rules applying to them. So as long as his son or the groups He thinks he's advocating for have less power. He doesn't have to be consistent That's like Marxian ethics now that now that chud is gone. Yeah. Yes. Now the chud is gone. Let's talk Because I don't really Marxian ethics is this like actually a specific branch of ethics like virtual ethics or something? Well, it's just not in that sense. No, no, no, okay But I'm saying if you look into all the sort of neo marxian critical theory shit that hassan is kind of I mean, I don't know if hassan has learned it on his stuff, but the stuff he's parroting It's all about breaking down the means of moral and principled consistency in order to help You know the quote-unquote oppressed classes or races or whatever If there really was like a marxian ethic, it would be something like Consequentialism where you only consider physical world as a consequence So stuff like honor or traditions. Yeah. Yeah, no principles. There's no honor. There's no dignity. There's no nostalgia There's there's none of those emotional things. It's all just the material conditions of those right Yeah, okay I I figure that'd be difficult to square away considering that we are human beings Like it's going to be really hard for us to To operate that way Now, you know why it doesn't work Well, I mean, I think that I think the intellectual consistency is really important I think it's like one of the most important things that you can cultivate as a I guess a trait Well, the zero is between intellectual consistency and moral consistency though um What do you think that distinction would be because if if you lay out they lay out this framework of If you're more oppressed or you're part of a group that's more oppressed you get a different set of rules So they're they are acting according to some quote-unquote intellectual consistency They just don't believe in like universal principles applying to them claim. That's a moral consistency I guess it would be I guess you're right because you're more they just don't believe in universal principles Advancing like ends is the prime goal that's to advance some sort of end. It's the most important thing And how yeah, I don't believe in meritocracy I think what you're trying to describe is that they believe in a different neutral state of ethics than we do So for example as liberals we might say, uh, you can't you can't be aggressively violent towards So that that's why self-defense is is is is valid But actually attacking somebody isn't so then the greatest example is if you talk to an islamist who says well Actually, we believe that we should be able to attack for example gay people We're talking like a radicalism us, right? Right. So Then you say well, hold on like you're the one who's who's striking first and they say well We don't care about who attacks first because that's not part of our neutral state of ethics Right the the neutral state under liberalism, which I assume everyone here operates under is That there are universal principles that we all have to follow that we all you know believe in equally We all are individuals We want to treat each other the way we want to be treated and if you're coming to it from a marxian lens You don't necessarily buy into any of that stuff And I don't know that's Do we really think that like Hassan thinks about does he you know like no like why that he lives his life is No, no, no. Yeah, I don't listen. I don't think I don't think Hassan buys into like I don't think he's like learning about it But he does exist in this culture and I think maybe that's why his audience is totally okay with it Yeah, because if you ask one of us, you know, how do you how do you come up with a moral system Under which you operate, you know, then we could go into this big discussion on You know, what kind of things does it produce what kind of a good foundation of morals generally assists with the well-being of humans and balances freedom and all you know We have this long long discussion And I just you're right. He hasn't had these conversations where someone just sits down with them And says, okay, why do you think this and why would this thing be better than this other thing and how do you Maybe that's one of the issues is that I call it a system for us Like it's a way to like you want to have a moral system, right? You want to you don't want to operate on just proclamations by Someone else be at a holy book or some just figure that you idolize you want to have a system to work with So when a situation arises and you might not be certain how to morally approach it You can work within that system to be like, okay here and it can be self-correcting over time Like it's like a science in a way and it's like a new problems Whenever that's a question that you haven't grappled with before you need to throw it at your system to figure out You need a little socrates on your shoulder just asking you why constantly every time you make a statement why so that you can boil it down a bit more One thing I think you can say about marx's is they don't believe that competence hierarchies are real They think all hierarchies are dominance hierarchies where it's might makes right whether it's financial might or muscular might So it makes sense that hassan Lives in this world Basically, I mean he's he's playing out might makes right with the chat and all the time so I mean it makes it seems consistent to me because If you don't believe in meritocracy, if you don't if you're like the richard wolf type that you think, you know All employers are subjugating their employees You're gonna believe in a world where meritocracy doesn't exist and that's just a fundamental difference between them and everyone else I mean, I believe meritocracy exists. I also believe Dominance hierarchies exist. I think they're detestable. I think we should be moving more towards You know competence hierarchies is what I would call them But how do you see people that they exist? Hassan obviously But they do believe elon musk is just like you could take anyone off the street and replace elon musk with them And with the right kind of advisors, they could do what elon musk does. They just think I mean, I oh wait. Well, I depends if we want to actually have this whole discussion instead of a I because uh, because isn't like one of the things that you would try and square away in terms of the idea Meritocracy and whatnot is like the circumstances into which you're born Absolutely have an impact on like your life. They do. Yes. I think it would go naive to to pretend that that's that's not the case Which I'm not really saying anybody here does Um, but it is but you got to admit it's more complex than just Oh, yeah, yeah Okay, thanks when I mentioned earlier that they don't consider Metaphysical things the only consider material things and their and their moral calculations What what's kind of downstream from that is if we just have enough power Then we can properly engineer the biology of people and we can properly engineer the social conditions of people Such that there will never need to be any concept of Meritocracy ever because we'll all be able to do whatever it is that we have And however like the the amount that you need like godlike power to be able Which is why I think so many socialists end up having A megalomaniac view of the world That top-down shit doesn't work though. Like it all it constantly fails. You have to have bottom up Institutions that's why foundations are a point of meritocracy Because we were as your morality should be bottom up inside of yourself You need to start with those those core things that are Which everything in your moral system is built on and if everyone has that and is building up together Then that just seems like it will work out a whole lot better. You need to foster that sort of change Instead of telling people this is how things should be done I guess it would be that things become less complicated if you've got really simple rules at the core It means at like any time that you have those those quandaries you can be like, well, wait What is the core telling me and if you've got the core and it's like wait? No, I don't I don't really No, but I don't like that as much. It's like well now you need to square this away What do you value more adhering to this principle or something that you perceive as maximizing your utility at this moment? um It's become a lot less complicated Sorry, even this whole situation. I think I mean, it's it just seems so clear of hassan basically saying You know, I'm not gonna do that. I'm you know, that's out of my reach, you know, he doesn't believe in meritocracy He doesn't he doesn't even think he's where he is because of meritocracy He thinks he is where he is because of luck and if you just think that you're just going to exercise power Well, I mean isn't isn't the the nature of that uh that video that he did that he was talking about how he worked to forge the political space on Switch on his own So I imagine that he has a perception that he has worked really hard So like doesn't he he presumably doesn't like when it gets pointed out that he is kind of the product of nepotism Yeah, that's an interesting contradiction there. Yeah, it's it's not his fault really It's his lack of acknowledging it and in acting as if that isn't the case, which is the issue I think it depends on the Circumstances of what he's trying to argue because I've seen him both If he's arguing against the concept of meritocracy existing in america to make a broader leftist point He will say oh, I only got to where I am because of luck and blah blah blah But then he's being out ready is right, but then he's being interviewed for the puff piece then he's like, oh I work very hard. I've you know Textbook isn't it just true like this is basically true right in terms of psychology that people will attribute their success to their hard work And they would contribute anything bad that happens to them to bad luck. Yeah, so sure My worst circumstances. Yeah, is that what yeah, that's that like man I feel it's like such a common thing that it's like absolutely true. I can't That's all it's a very dangerous thing because especially not only do you have your own Not only does it apply to you? So you say oh if I succeeded because Other people that's right when you look at some person who fails and they fail in life and they're poor And you'd always be like, oh, well, they're lazy piece of shit. They didn't right. You would you invert it? Well It could be that they were born into a like really bad, but I know lots of people are lazy pieces of shit That's your shelter. I had Yeah, but I guess So you understand I'm not saying that there's no such thing as lazy people right like I'm just saying that People know I do. Yeah, totally. Yeah. It's just um, it's just that sometimes somebody can it's like, oh, you're lazy Didn't work hard. You're not smart. That's like, well, that might be true to some extent I don't know about this one Cruel right we've had no reason to think What what more cruel things has he got to say? Oh, yeah, this is like the beginning of the super cut we got plenty Move your cat boy ass out of here. You are never welcome I don't want people to think that like I'm fucking running a cat boys are welcome on the efab chat Yeah, you can come here if you want Yes, don't scratch up the chat boys dog creatures salamander men just everything just all of you here Hang out way from criticism. I never do It's I as a matter of fact, I see it out now You are never welcome. They try to fucking lowl cow me I'll change this every day to ukraine is still has still not been invaded by russia every day to to make sure the uh To make sure that the wishes of these fucking weirdo like i'm actually a sock them and you're a fucking tanky uh idiots on the internet Will yeah change it to Russia still has yet to invade ukraine This is why you even question the anxieties that you feel every single day when you question like Does my mom and dad actually fucking hate me too? This is the reason and they do by the way. Yes, they do they do hate you Because they're showing up to a Hassan stream I would even at this point be like you might want to Up the brakes a little bit because this person for all you know might fucking kill themselves if you carry on like They talk all the time about that shit. Oh, there's you you can't say anything mean or these people will fucking kill themselves And yet here we are, you know, it's funny too because Hassan Was like giving destiny so much shit for Destiny admitting that he would say the n-word in private and joking joking contexts And this whole argument was well, you're gonna get your other your audience is gonna think it's okay to do that too And here he is like acting like such a piece of shit Just promoting to his audience that you should treat people this way over the most minor disagreements It's such such it is It is what it's okay to say the n-word. Oh It's the how is but this is punching down. You're not allowed to punch down, right? Like that's not peak punching down. Is there ever been as much of the power disparity on twitch? Twitch streamer versus just some guy in the in the comment section a cat boy Yeah Because you have a bad brain Sucking it doing insults like your brain is ableism as a thing here. Yeah Yeah, it is well gnomes pretty ableist right gnomes I know several really good gnomes and they they wouldn't appreciate it. Yeah Yeah, I think that all the gnomes in our chat are probably rightfully very upset that is being used as a derogatory term I've seen several gnomes be very upset. I'm definitely anti gnom hate. Yeah. I'm pro gnom love I'm pro gnom pro gnom love. Yes pro gnom sounds like a fucking drug Gnomes sounds like um, it sounds like a uh, it sounds like a I was gonna say like an obscure brand of soft drink, but I think it's more like an obscure brand of um dish like washing detergent pro gnom Or just gnom, you know, uh, no just gnom. Um You know pro gnom sounds like a a russian communist thing for some reason I was probably because it's um, it sounds like pogrom. Oh, that's what it is. Yes If you've been watching since 2019 and if you have and if you have a gnom who's bald And you literally I like the idea that when he watched uh The film the film was it gnomio and juliet. He thinks it's gnomio and juliet I mean shell off shell off gnomes. It's shell off gnomes And if there's a really small bald person then he calls them gnomedome Jesus it's good enough If you've been watching since 2019 And you literally come in here exclusively to have takes like this like to have shit takes okay For that adrenaline rush for a brief moment of comfort that you get because big streamer man noticed me Your existence is pathetic You are a burden on this planet That is one way to kill an audience's devotion to you holy shit Yeah, it's it's one person and you know the mob they love uh, they love a victim. Well, I'm not that one person yet Exactly. It's not me this moment. So pile it on. Absolutely. It'll never be my turn. No, that'll happen to everyone else It's kind of like uh with witch burning you have, you know, hasan is the inquisitor the inquisitor Who's like saying who the witch is and all the other people if they don't jump on board and say you're the witch Then maybe maybe there's a witch More than that in the simpsons when lisa was criticizing their institution and then the hobbit just yelled She's a witch Yeah His position is that you are overstating how bad she is and using things that are on 100 true to justify Just like the stuff you said about biden. Oh, this was good Relevant is back to police the mads Oh, this is like oh this one Care more about being like yo hasanabi you were fucking wrong. I hope you all get drafted, dude I hope you're fucking drafted You are a burden on this planet His position is that you are overstating how bad she is and using things that are on 100 true to justify Just like the stuff you said about biden Everything I said about biden is true. You fucking idiot. I'm from my perspective. This is not a good way It just seems like the person's really mad You care more about being like yo hasanabi. You were fucking wrong. I hope you all get drafted, dude Wait, hey Girl that guy just did not expect that to happen You know, yes, yes people to hang out they have like ugly friends that are Friends and quotes just to make them look more beautiful by comparison That's just anyone next to hasan though anyone next to hasan is instantly they seem so smart doesn't matter who they are Oh, you mean in comparison. They're just geniuses That guy's that that minor reaction. He had the already. It's like that guy's a genius Yeah, it's like dramatic ties at first. Yeah, dude. Talk to me when he's fucking throwing Ukrainians in a in a in a fucking What are you talking about? Talk to me when he's throwing Ukrainians at a concentration camp. Okay. Hitler wasn't fucking No, he's just gonna shoot him in the streets. We're not getting it back Yeah, weren't there like weren't there portable furnaces rolling into ukraine at one point. What was the claim? I don't know if it was ever I've seen some bad stuff coming out of things Ukranian is at a concentration camp, okay Hitler wasn't fucking bad because he decided to invade austria. He was bad because it was fucking killing jews Okay, that was the problem It's already a classic There is what are you doing? What are you doing? I wasn't like, oh, yeah, we're gonna fucking annex territory with like Germanic people in it. That wasn't the main problem with hitler I think This this clip was heard by basically everyone across the internet like what is this People throw money at this guy. They just throw money at him It is hilarious though. You gotta it is funny. That was a great clip one for the ages Genghis Khan didn't put anyone in in a concentration camp. Okay. He just annexed all their territory Genghis Khan wasn't bad because he annexed the planet is bad because he's shooting people with a bow and arrow I think I think That was like maybe eighth down the line I don't like you. Wow. I'm gonna make this very clear if you are this type of person I don't like you. I don't want you to be in here. Okay, or if you're gonna be in here You need to fucking know your place You know your place Okay, it's not this it's this you can stay in here and watch We're not gonna be able to fucking write shit in the chat Sorry I'm quite literally someone who's on the margins and is actually interested in learning But might have transphobic points of view rather than Someone who's like, um, I'm a cat boy. I've been in here for 50 months and I think like, you know You're not that good at debate. So you shouldn't have a transphobic person on like no fuck off I thought it's just not good at making arguments because he's not a debate bro They try to fucking lowl cow me. Yeah, he would ban denims on right I guess you can't be a part of he just made it clear if someone says he's not good at debates They're gone and what did she do? You know man somebody who's really confident in their ability to debate points would uh ban people who said that they're not good at it That's really indicative of a high level of confidence in your abilities. Oh, yes Everybody does hate you your anxieties are real. Maybe you'll even get a girlfriend you fall in love Maybe your parents won't fucking despise you Because they've created such a pathetic filthy little spawn It is only a burden on them What a nice guy there you go You just kept going and going. Oh, sorry. This is the follow-up. Check this out The need to humiliate people. I mean I can just ban them. I can just ban you for example. There you go I'm fucking running away from criticism the need to humiliate people. Sometimes you need to make an example out of them Oh There you go. It's like our little kgb officer here. Jesus christ. You know what? Maybe he's right. Maybe he's right Watching you squirm after destiny's stream is my favorite thing to watch Here's some money for the best content on twitch xd. Thanks, buddy. I have your email now by the way just for the record So why don't you just stop sending me donos to harass me for your daddy destiny with literally your email involved in it What a fucking stupid thing you just did now What are you doing dude? Just the reason I put the quote up here is because I want you guys to see that's what they said And they've given him money and his responses. I have your email address now Yeah, what the What a great guy people Oh money at him So we have to get the equivalent here if someone's super chatted watching you guys squirm just after let's just say chud finished streaming criticism of you Is funny as hell to watch like watching you guys fumble and squirm. Here's some money for the best content on youtube I just be like well, thank you I guess You know Always happy to squirm and twerk or whatever whatever i'm doing He's like, I don't think I'd go. I'm going to find your ip address. Do you understand? I have a certain set of skills This is so strange My dad works for nintendo Why would you do that? Why would you donate money to me with your fucking actual email you absolute idiot? I have your full name now And this time if I go to fucking twitch It's reasonable because you're literally harassing me. Do you know how many fucking don't it's weird that he said this time If I go to twitch, it'll be reasonable meaning Me donations stop listen if anyone wants to harass me with donations. I'm 100 down for it. Yes Any harassment you want call me a cuck call me an incel call me your dirty little I don't fucking care. Give me money. We have had aggressive super chats before that have been like Fucking screw you guys. It'll just be like, okay. You paid to say this. All right. All right Feel free to insult us more. Yeah, go right ahead. It's okay Did you know those giving more money allows you to have even more long and elaborate insults? Yeah Gotten from destiny fans tonight Again, so this is the guy who was talking to destiny about like responsible use of his platform in terms of like messaging or whether you're talking about They all say this they all do this and yet he'll be like, hey, I know your name and your email address, buddy. How the I can't do this has been like an insane spiral into hell. I can't like Oh, yeah, let's leave I cannot believe this and I knew it would be around this point that I would like to ask chat and you guys Who is the worst of the three? Do you think? Oh I thought so Actually, are you gonna be making these three compilations public at all? The raw files are watching. I could I don't want to release them all separately. I just put in one big thing and probably call it like I don't know the state of twitch. We act as hell. Yeah, I could do Time stamp it for the three sections because I'm so done with these fucking supercuts. Please let me live A life of not having to deal with them anymore But a lot of people seem to want the clips and so it's like well, I guess you can grab them all from I want the clips, man Hell, yeah Very well. I mean everyone wants it out. So fine. I'll do it if someone can come up with a good name The descent the descent Dante's in photo No, it's yeah, Hassan's inferno there you go Over there, but it is our relevant adept as well. You gotta evolve them. Yeah, that's right No, no, that's what I yeah, they were the first two circles So Hassan levels of twitch hell. Yes Man, I can't this is fucking hell He's kind of a monster This is really interesting. There's so many things he does that we would just never fucking ever think of doing and yet It was like for moral reasons and yet he he considers us like on the bottom tier of the world for morality Well, he's well not right at the bottom though. Was that that person? Any fans have sent me their emails tonight, excuse me paying money just so they can fucking shit talk guys for that Oh god, you poor man Having no, I don't even like Is there even a reason to ask is like if your job were You get one insult per $20 And you have to listen to as many as you Choose to accept or something like that. Like would you be okay with that as a job? And salt me harder, daddy. You have me. It's just like I can deal with that. I think yeah Well, if I can play video games while i'm doing it as well, you know Like if I could just play Kirby or something There's a like free you suck. It's like, oh, look what'll deed i'm making the All of their the hamburgers and stuff for the town And the maxim tomatoes, you know, thanks for the thanks for the bucks, buddy This maybe the state of twitch reacting three circles of hell because he could be the last one I don't know. We'll have to think about it. I need good. You know what comments in this video Every one of you I command you to upvote the best title because that's how we got man of steel if you guys remember Uh, her sampaika man of steel. That was a really great name. That's all right. Yeah, that was a good one You guys come up with some clever names sometimes the name again It is 5 000 brains combined right plus the people who watch it afterwards, but you could do uh Like apocalypse now his son now and you could put the little thumbnail with like his face super imposed on All of you son of boys out there. This is your chance to get revenge to to avenge your kin Son sent to beat you trinity of bitches. Oh Oh Do it Doesn't think that it only works for us I was hoping for something that would work for us add for the will Oh, I got it the dark triad That that's that's still a niche reference. I know what that reference is though. Yeah, I don't know But you know what for those who know It'll be great Fellowship of the thieves That's a good one Something to ponder Our relevant was like mostly okay in the thievery category At least I didn't see him like doing the shit with like hell's kitchen and stuff that denims did Well, yeah, but he's carrying water though for the thief Hassan's kitchen He's like like all relevant is going to Hassan. I can't thief for you, but I can Carry you so you can thief. Okay. I lost the train of that but whatever, you know what I'll put it out on Like a I don't know like a thursday of next week So I will check the comment section of this re-upload on moola And see if we got some really good names in there and I'll I'll grab one of them I'll probably ask for a couple people's thoughts because You guys you come up with the bestest of names. Okay How fucking brain dead are you guys? Of course I actually started hate watching Hassan as a brainwasher probably came from Ohio and ended up agreeing with everything He's ever said what watch and listen with an open mind and even even open mind Even if you don't agree with everything man makes great points. Thank you The monotone fast way in which he reads these messages is really like I don't Understand why he doesn't I don't like it either this person is giving you money You could like pretend that you care about what they say Well, some of these are in chat, right? So like if you if you pause where I don't know let's Oh, damn I'm trying to latch on to you know, but because all of the messages are kind of shortest. Yeah You want to convey the idea to your audience? You're reading it out to for yourself I suppose but you're also Yeah, you want to let the audience know what it is that you're reading So if you have a reaction to it or a statement to make as a result They know the context in which you are making it Instead of just what did he mumble he's doing this fucking mumblecore rap here and I have no idea what he's referring to No, yeah, I get you And I just like the idea that he wanted to rush through Something that was complimenting him just to say yeah, I agree true. Thank you. Yeah, I agree that I'm awesome You didn't even you didn't really even have to say it. I mean we all know it I know what you know it. We all know They try to fucking lowl cow me Nothing I do is performative So I'm not going to for instance Um, I'll use this on as an example. I'm not going to talk to a black person like try hacks and say hey the n word It's always Oh What a fucking liar dude, what a fucking so weasley little Liar So in the in the what the the two years since that event happened destiny has been Departing it and banned from twitch because of holding on to unpopular positions How can you sit there and actually be like yeah, no not like me You know, he's pretty performative. I guess unlike me. That's just funny to me Like of all the people to say it to the person who got himself departinent and banned over Unconventional unpopular perspectives on that platform Not even gonna necessarily agree because his perspectives are not necessarily at all unpopular Unpopular on the platform Yeah, I guess this categorical they're unpopular on the platform because he's been fucked Because yeah, they worked totally normal tanks for like anyone to have Hey, you know what it's always He's just like it's the barbarian kind of mentality just oh grog not like What's going on with all these takes now What's going on with all the takes now is like they're they're getting So ridiculous and so radical that like they've lost the plot with the normies and you ever want to do that Like, you know, you know five years ago We're making fun of feminists because they had they had basically won the feminist culture war Well, okay, okay, maybe five or ten years ago But like everything that they wanted they got so they started like inventing shit And it was just crazy And then eventually they kind of like lost a part of the normies And I think the same's happening now with trans activists like they're going so fucking wild Well, there's wild shit everywhere. I watched um adamant stitches You had that interview with that guy who said that an asian man was white presenting Yeah, oh a joe. Yeah, which is just like He seemed pretty chill from the discussion with him. He seemed like a cool cool kind of guy, but like yeah, that quote was fucking hilarious Yeah Yeah, so I just I agree with dev that there's like uh When you get comfy or of one you can stop pushing it to the fringes and then you start saying shit that Yeah, instead of being happy that you've got what you've been fighting for you're like, oh wait I can just get some more. I can keep making Oh Schumann's acclimate to uh To the position that they're in very quickly. It's only a matter. It's it's very quickly that you can if you've got What you wanted that you'll be unsatisfied with it That's a big old human thing, but you've got to introspect and try and sort that out because I presume on the other side of that is is a good thing You know Consistence those that I don't believe you mohler. Who would ever say that adam stitch help back me up Come on. Uh, yeah, joe. Lewis. We talked and we asked him about it. I don't I didn't really give us a good answer. I didn't feel I'm like I like joe I don't want to shit talk him We had a nice conversation. You can check it on the channel I'll be honest with you. I can't remember what was the context was there was an asian gentleman on one of these bread tube Twitch panels and he said something he was kind of criticizing identity politics Conceptually and I think joe's point was that you know, you're white presenting. So therefore You know, you don't have a valid say In whether identity politics is is useful to black people. I think that's what he was trying to say You're which I agree in your white presenting is not useful to black people Yeah, if I if I ever become like this just fucking shoot me I feel like you The tangling has gotten so much that it's just like I can't follow these rules anymore I've tried okay video The role of not judging people on immutable characteristics. Can we just go back to that? Wow, what a racist. Yeah, please. Can we just start you and your green privilege? I Look someone had to say it You're saying our talk with joe got labeled as hate speech Yes, it totally pissed me off because I I don't know why like what was in there that was hate speech Yeah, they labeled his hate content like they labeled it as the worst content the third level that is like Going after marginalized people I was like what I haven't contacted them because I was so pissed about it, but They had a second review and somebody said it was hate content, which is just that's so bad Like that was the most mild conversation ever It's like what denims linked when she took down all those videos and started going harassment um, and she Had linked the comment. Let me let me use let me grab It's the kind of thing where if she like seriously did that and like in the disco college Be like, yeah, just give me a sec. Let me look at any one of your tweets about us And let's just grab anything that anyone has said because it's going to be toxic She said it's so the speaking of the harassment harassment It's so blatant that even in my message talking about harassment Someone did it and she linked to someone saying she's got a victim complex that constantly needs to be fed harassment harassment Which is I mean irony is not lost on us, but maybe on her it is sorry for that word because sometimes it really can apply But even then it's over exaggeration. Some people are some people are legitimately harassed and it's not fine I don't know if I'm going that direction I'm going the direction of it can be classified as harassment legally, but it's just like Should we really be you know if rags fucking said I suck on three separate occasions Related to the same topic because I was just like I missed it or something Like is that harassment now? It's like I can I can call that it'll be helpful for me I just call it that if I'm trying to get him discredited. So yes, it's harassment. It's like, oh come on When I think of harassment, I'm thinking of like targeted strikes that are consistent and Attempts to weigh you down and ruin your life sort of thing Um, maybe that's too extreme and this should be a bit more reliance But I don't know. I'm just tired of seeing everybody's harassed apparently and it's like, yeah You know, I agree I think there's a difference between harassment and criticism and harassment has to be continual and Oh, yeah, like harassment categorically needs to be like sustained Um, that's like critical if you call somebody an asshole once You know, there's a difference between that and if you call them that a thousand times every day We have thousands of people Uh supporting the idea that we're all hyper sexist semi-regular on all these kinds of threads and things Because of that Jenny Nicholson stream like And they're all very critical of all of our characters without knowing anything about us Like I wonder if I could like that would be fair to say is form of harassment of some kind, right? Because it's false information It's definitely a It's not good We can put that much out there You think black people what a fucking liar, dude. What a fucking weasley little bad about that, too Oh, yeah He always uses these words weasley worm filthy They're so like they're really harsh words, you know, like they're so really harsh about these words specifically To be fair, this one made him look really bad because destiny's claim is that hassan wyrntongued Um a black friend of his I think it was trihex It was trihex Yeah, because like Their their relationship was okay about the whole n-word saga and then hassan wyrntonged him And then trihex was like a lot more critical of the situation afterward And so desi was like you fucked me like you took my friend behind scenes and convinced him of that He's just like you're lying. I didn't do that Ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure there's like a whole stream because they did it uh live So that was like sort of ever it just makes me think like Geez you guys all need better friends A little bit. Yeah, y'all are yeah, geez that was backstabbing and The friends like these and who needs an eminence. Yeah, at least at least my enemies will stab me in the front All right Again, just like with the rat thing weasels are pretty cool. I actually do like weasels. There are they're chill little critters Um, it's it's a shame that weasel has become like it's got a negative connotation with it Um weasels, uh, they they're little rascals. They run around. They've got very slim long bodies And they is that what you like in a weasel? Well, I mean I I'm just describing the attributes of weasels I'm sure that there are some shorter weasels. I'm wet. What what is the sorry? I because what do we Google They yeah, like look look at him. Look at the look at this fella. How can you hate this guy? Look at him. What about stoats? stoats are great Look at look at that. Look at that weasel. Look at him. Look at him there He is just on the prowl. Look at him. There you go checking out the world Weasel is ready to he's ready to rumble. That's Adam's spirit animal You put it on screen, right? No, I did not I'm afraid Yeah, I represent So you're okay. So any of you who are interested if you go to wikipedia. Oh, no, there he is. Look at him Look at that guy. I don't think that that should be a pejorative But Hassan disagrees. Yeah, but they take all your chickens. Okay. It's a problem Yeah, but like raccoons, you know, they they rummage around in little bins to grab whatever they can munch on and they know how to pick locks. All right, but do they take your chickens? Maybe they do take chicken. Can you imagine seeing a raccoon leaving yet like your house when you come home? I just got a chicken on its back Like a plate of chicken nuggets a plate of chicken nuggets is like Love chicken nuggets. Oh, I don't know why the raccoon is uh, it's uh, Mr. Poop So anyway, let's see more cringe. Anyway back to uh, speaking of creatures Oh liar You are just a trans person. Sorry. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Oh my god Trans it's actually more brutal than I thought it would be. Holy Sounds bad Yeah And guess what the only thing I'm centering right now is the top of the hour ad break bitch Because at the top of the fucking hour, there's a 60 second ad break and if you no longer want to see He gets all excited to express that he's doing an ad. I don't I don't know it's a different I will I will do with this drug life It's for money if I need you know, it's like I'm not I'm not like yeah, it's time for an ad break Oh, I just I totally just remembered Hassan had a whole arc where he was calling destiny Uh slur Oh I I I actually recently rewatched it where Mike from pa tried to say that it wasn't a racial slur because It describes your political ideology rather than being a targeted slur towards cuban. Um cuba's a nationality not a race Yeah, so it's not a race Mexico, but like And when it comes to Mexico, you know, like I can't believe like what kind of person are you where you have to like try backwards Rationalize how something that is a slur that's very clearly targeted towards a particular group from a certain ethnicity or Uh heritage and then you're just like oh nah, you know what? No, it's not actually a slur like come on They did the whole cracker thing when that happened right like I thought it wasn't okay I'm just saying I thought you guys said it wasn't okay Cheated change the rules on us. It does feel like you're cheating. Yes You want to how about you center yourself around fucking alternate camera angle of his on stream right now. Thank you You know in retrospect this image is hilarious for Game of Thrones like it looks terrible It's been used so much. Yeah to describe these Virtue signaling racial tax exact type of purse that we need please to save us This is the hill I will die on Russia cannot launch an urban counterinsurgency war in a neighboring country with 44 million people With or without nato support. I couldn't find the tweet on its own and then I was like wait, he's reading it out So that makes it easier. So I'll just use this as a clip for context That's why I've been saying he won't invade Ukraine not because of anything else. He's a bad person not a mad one Yeah, I would look like tim pool after that 49 state landslide l if You know, there was a bombing active bombing currently happening on Kiev and like ukrainians were being murdered Whoops I would be that way if america was like we're we're going with a full throated This is a full blown invasion and yet it hasn't happened Because if you're actually working class you recognize that like I myself am not that far removed from like fucking Being working class Come on really He's a millionaire What the hell how could you possibly? Dude, you were literally in the 1% It's like it was with the eight hour work. It's probably higher than the 1% Oh, yeah, he's in the marxian sense in the marxian sense. He's actually correct. Which is why marxism is fucking terrible How was the marxian sense correct because he's not a capital owner Because he's not a capital owner exactly so he has his twitch channel, right that produces revenue for him And he has employees that work for him right to do the edit. Oh, yeah, yes So he is a he is part of the petit bourgeoisie. So he's like he's a small business owner But his lifestyle is still ultimately It's still at at at the whims of twitch twitch can cut him off and he has no recourse He doesn't actually own the means of production He doesn't he doesn't control it. He's not somebody who unlike his senators exists and takes in money For simply owning things while doing no labor I just he doesn't he doesn't own himself that makes all of this stuff happen So he's he's technically correct But it's because the lens that he's using to analyze the situation is fucking terrible He owns property that he makes money off of though. I'm sure he writes it off on his taxes I'm sure he writes it was a fucking movie sitting in Yeah, I mean it's true his house is his office. He owns cameras and computers Yeah, if you work from home, you can take up Okay, but see that's that's what that's what makes him Um, that's what makes him a member of the petit bourgeoisie and not actually the full bourgeoisie Even though he's Even though he's incredibly wealthy and yes, even though he's really wealthy So even even though he's reached the point that if he invested his money well He could probably live off of the dividends or like payouts He puts the ETFs or anything at this point like he may probably live for he's practically doing that already Like to be fair He's practically doing that through the method of just lounging about ranting about things Like he's not he may as well be living his normal life and being paid by nothing Like money's just spawning because the people throwing money on him for this is insane to me Well, the the thing is though like he hit his company is Holy dependent on another company which can just cut him off an eight Like if twitch like permanently banned him and youtube permanently banned land though He'd be literally owns land. He owns land. He would be right He probably has a big enough platform that he could What's he using that land for streaming infrastructure? Nuggy farming. Okay. Yeah. He could do that But right now because he hasn't he's he's still at their wins. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's what he's appealing to I don't know. I'm just stupid, but that's it's pathetic Referring to himself as fucking working class like get out of here Also, not only that still advocate for working class values Like I guess so mad at this when youtubers live around Okay, and they make one fucking video They make one fucking video a month And get like patreon money or they make like two fucking videos a week max Okay, and then they cash out with like a six figure check Because they have a yes the youtuber We did see this clip before it's basically him rationalizing that the twitch streamers work way harder than the youtubers they steal from What is scumbag? And then they turn around and shit on streamers Who literally fucking go live for six to eight hours every day? How do you have those people who are editing videos on editing the for six to eight hours a day? How do you know or 10 the math is really easy for me? If it's an hour video it would have taken one hour or two to make oh man, so it's like the fray thing in future It's like an hour to write. I thought it would take an hour to read It literally is that yeah Nuts dude, of course there's gonna be dead space in between you stupid fuck this shit genuinely Pills me He's always been so stupid on this topic because this is an older clip It genuinely tells me you could make a compilation of me sitting around not even on camera with a fucking video playing in the background So petty hot rod chatter Bro, do you not know by now like yeah, i'm petty as shit, dude They try to fucking lowl cow me So there is a target rich environment for someone to be like this guy fucking sucks Oh, yeah, by the way, we're back on the normal timeline now. Okay. It's just a nice little Man jump into the world. Yeah I'm sure everybody feels better about him now so Oh, man Great impressions, but let's move on now obviously unlike dsp. I have a community a fan base. I make content that like avoids the Yes How awful is the songs It's fucking weirdos for the most part So that is precisely why there is like you're you're hacky. You're like jumping on this Exclusively so you can you know milk the negative engagement that you can possibly get because you're basically You're landing on top of an audience of pre-existing really fucking deranged people And i'm telling you guys this like this is like really fucking personal shit I should not be even talking about this Okay Hazzle um, but that is but that is how it works Oh, yes, um, okay And talking about this also makes it a lot worse usually like acknowledging them is the worst thing you can possibly do But there it is. I mean pokemane has them. I have them Alinity had the like people who are critical of them. What's happening? What are we talking about just just because he's just written them off as all crazy So it's like, oh Um, I think they've like kind of gone away. They've kind of gone Sideways they've they've went somewhere else amaranth has them Trainwrecks has them there's there are a lot of people that have like a community of People who spite them who hate them who watch them specifically because they're sitting around in a forum And they're writing every single thing That i've done that day to just talk to one of asmen galt has them Everyone has them and they're stalkers and it's stalker behavior and it is It can get really sad for the people that are doing this up in relation to jay Exactly. What does this have to do with anything? Like there are weird people out there who follow content creators like, okay I don't think anyone's going to disagree that that's a thing. I guess What does that got to do with jay? Really really damaging for the people that are doing that i've talked Directly to them before and been like listen, you can get out of this fucking dark hole But all of those content creators that are coming across like they're making legitimate fucking Criticisms the reason why they are doing this is because they tap into those audiences Yeah, they're farming a viewership that is already built in dislike for the streamers. They're talking about they do that for sure Do some nah nah come on like there are people in in jay's audience who are like would know I like his son and then they throw up the defenses. Yeah, like I would say that Like jay got pushback from his own community on that one Yep, uh And how many times I've said it's like but jay believes in the point and wants to express it That's as simple as it is He doesn't even count it because he brings up. Oh what they might seem like legitimate arguments, but their intentions are bad It's like well, wait a minute. You haven't said anything as to whether or not They're legitimate arguments then You you said they seem like it, but you haven't said anything to counter that they are legitimate arguments You just don't like the intent behind them, but what does that matter if they're correct? Some creators that have been around for a very long time like charlie have been able to avoid that Myself included it's actually the video of the bizarre house walkthrough the one that I mentioned Was a very shameful moment for me where it's a video. I really liked but didn't react hard to I'd already seen it And I just basically shared it with my community without adding anything to it And they were upset with that which I totally do get Some creators that have been around for a very long time like charlie have been able to avoid that How does he avoid it? I just don't get It's just mystical. I must have some kind of secret Magnanimous. Hmm. What's that? I don't know what it is. That is the reason why What that person is doing is not even remotely charitable If it was something that I've done That was like genuinely fucking morally abhorrent behavior that they were making this many videos on and farming it for this much Is it not morally abhorrent to refer to a bunch of people as nazis when you've no evidence? I guess this has come off to with our right now. He's decided, you know, what gloves off I guess Well, yeah, is it morally abhorrent to have done the initial thing? And it's like, I mean, I would hesitate to call it Marley abhorrent, but it's still kind of a dick move. Um, I mean it's wrong But like I guess abhorrent is a strong word content So guys, I gotta get out of here. It's now 9 p.m. For me Oh, gosh, 9 p.m. What do you go to bed at 9 p.m. That's so early Okay grandma What I like to do at 9 p.m. If Naomi works in early shift the next day is I will I will do quiet work in the house I will do quiet work in the house instead of talking on a mic. So I'll Usually just go in like great stuff quietly. You know how sweet Well, it's been a fun one um One shit one shit for the for the final time because I will never have you back Oh, okay It'll probably be a little time because we gotta find more topics for you. We got you three in a row How's that feel is a great great? Yay, actually it's been a fun. Yeah, I think it's been fun too. Um Chat you may have heard of him before because he was on the past two episodes We got links in the description And he does all kinds of videos on all kinds of topics. Why don't you why don't you tell him what you've been doing lately? What do you do? Yeah So if you want to find me it's short fattotaku on YouTube and it's game boomers on twitch. Those are my two channel Well, go check them out at your leisure MMT content creator is great. You should check them out. Oh, is that me? Yeah, you short fat fattotaku. Yeah, am I an mt guy now? I You made a couple videos you wait dev is dev is becoming an mt now. I didn't know this I mean, I'm like Around but I guess oh, I don't know I get you tell me We caught you with your pants down. You're like, no, wait. I'm mt. Okay, man. Am I I want to go stream with the conno boy I want to go stream with the conno boy for like you streamed with them twice Yeah, I wanted to talk to a conno boy about economics. We talked about everything, but for hours Yeah Anyway, thanks guys. Thank you so much for joining us and for Yeah, thanks Good night, guys. Thanks a lot. Keep it down. You know, huh? See you later Guys for it. That's one thing dark vapor more focuses on dunking which in some cases I just want to say that charlie didn't make the original bad take It just seems like Hassan is just trying to stay consistent because he came out so hard saying he had done nothing wrong Hassan was to be on charlie's team but he can't because charlie is on a different team Yeah Charlie just didn't make the bad take. That's all it's really avoided the bad take Hassan was to be like, yeah, as big a streamers we're getting unfairly hit, right charlie and charlie's like Well, I made a mistake and he's like no No, no, no, no, no never never Less of a mistake because I transformed it a little bit more but still and charlie's like yeah Jay made great points great video and then Hassan goes. I actually apologized I'm agreed with Jay. So yeah, and then charlie's like so I'm actually going to be implementing changes broadly to how I approach Transforming content in response to jay's points. What are you doing? Oh, I'm doing the same thing that I always do because I do whatever I want on my stream We're the same people are right. Yeah. We're the same. We've done the same thing. It's great He has every right to because I got things wrong But jay actually really painted the whole picture that put it all like in a really good perspective for me to get I needed to play by his definition of react streamers Which I do understand now was a mistake on my part because that does not fit into the same category that he was Criticizing again like charlie is giving way too many concessions here. Like he's too fucking nice. He's like Painfully fucking nice dude. I'm serious. Maybe I don't know. I is is super super fucking cuts like that is literally a bunch of garbage happens But I know that one looks awkward because it's just like wait. Was he about to finish the point? It's like no Look at this as a productive video when like you're capitulating to uh, people who are operating in very bad faith Not just bad faith, but like actually bad faith Not just bad faith That's an actual bad faith It's important and very important distinction that needs to be made here just so that we don't have anyone operating on not actual bad faith That's kind of telling because that means he says that all the time, but doesn't actually mean it Because he used the same way used the word literally neither of them in the words They are they just mean the most of this thing the most potent of this thing Yeah, literal does not mean maximal. Those are two completely different words that mean two different things What we said is like really legitimately actually Literally they throw all these fucking words in there when they all use in the same way And then also on top of that making it seem like they are actually being super charitable in your criticisms Yeah, see jay just trying to make us look like he was charitable. Wasn't that jay was being charitable? They're really good job at it. I will say that Even though he's confused on charlie isn't a psycho like you man. He can't handle the hate you can Yeah, that's true No, it was a compliment. You thought it might have been a criticism, but it was a compliment You see charlie can't handle the hate like a son can Like a son you cannot handle hate dude You go nuts. Um, well as we saw he punched his desk Just went just went destiny. He's like, oh, you know, I don't fake my positions Not gonna get hate anyway because he he does a really good job of like Making it seem like even no matter how fucking terrain someone's point of view might be It's actually like oh well, I'm seeing your side right now Jay wasn't being just Charlie charlie tricks people into thinking that he's being reasonable by saying oh, I kind of see a point It's like soon. He's sorry. He does see a point centrist andy And then underneath that jay wasn't being bad faith. Uh-oh watch out buddy being bath rate dude, dude Dude, I'm sorry No, no, no, no, no, sorry the amount of content does not fucking fit the bill If do you think it's what appropriate to do like multiple eight hour fucking podcast with a bunch of psychos including like actually fucking nazis There it is again Now he's heard the lie and he is repeating it thoroughly Actual fucking nazis give me the names his son and then literally making another video He's gonna make another video about this regardless. He's probably already made another video about this or done multiple streams over this I'm sorry at a certain point. It's not like you've made multiple videos about this How come jay's not allowed to yeah Because one rule that his whole shtick is one rule for me and another for v not for me Doesn't he stream eight hours a day like what's the deal with nobody ever calling out of eight hours Yeah, we're clocking into seven and he'd already probably consider this ridiculous because we're only talking about him That's all we've talked about and is You're right. I don't know like the whole audience doesn't even it's like wow an eight hour podcast Not like us watching multiple eight hour streams every week every week several days a week Well, to be to be fair. We haven't watched a single episode of hell's kitchen yet. So We could have watched a whole season. I think in and we're not a whole season, but at least half a season Did imagine me how many you thought episodes we could pump hours every day watching hell's kitchen while going On all of the days of our lives episode since it began in 1736 we It's not fucking appropriate, especially because I apologize a year ago for watching it stop Headling this bullshit lie And the funniest part about it is that you as a non content creator Don't understand the dynamic between content creators and other content creators So in your mind, you're like, well, it does make sense. It does seem like it's kind of fucked up You're just like stealing their labor. Maybe you're a graphics design guy Okay, and you think well, this is exactly like when the fucking big company Uh commissioned paintings for me and then never paid me for it or some shit like well No, because you never even did the commission. You just stole it Add this to the list of people on the internet don't know what analogies are and cannot formulate them Well, yeah, because that's a really bad one because like in that case It's we've made an agreement that you're gonna pay me for my work and you didn't there's a breach of contract It's not you Rad to their house stole this shit and used it for your own benefits the different thing They're both not good. It's a different bad thing, but it's different And he's also reacting to uh charlie who is a content creator who did the same thing Who's saying this agrees with you? Yes yeah Like that so that's the problem the the problem is like you have no way of understanding it and that person Is using your lack of knowledge And and your lack of understanding your lack of have you ever worked in foreign policy? Why do you feel so confident that you can espouse foreign policy and shit on people who work in that room? Why do you feel like he nailed it with a ukraine thing? Were you not there? That idiot We're ranging on how like uh this ecosystem works to drive uh Because j can benefit from criticizing his son in terms of viewership that must be the motivation It's gonna be anything else This is kind of like streamer identity politics. He's like unless you identify as a streamer. Okay, you can't comment on streamer problems Of like look i'm a content creator. I would know and we're all just like So we're all of us and we think you're stupid. So what's going on and same and charlie disagrees with you and j Obviously disagrees with you Is that like chance and creative? More hateful engagement The way you stream just hypnotizes me and i just yeah, he has a bigger youtube channel than you It's pretty funny how he is the little guy. He did a four-hour video on doctor who don't still call it Yeah, i mean it's just it doesn't matter you have nothing you fucking idiot You have nothing there You're just like what you're trying to latch on to something that doesn't even exist as a point Well, i was gonna i was gonna say if you guys weren't catching that sometimes it can be confusing But this person is calling hasan out like he has a bigger youtube channel than you so it's pretty funny how he's the little guy He did a four-hour video on doctor who and then as a don't steal content And hasan like seems to be confused as to the nature of the comment and then he just sort of trails It's pretty funny how he is the little guy. He did a four-hour video on doctor who don't steal content Yeah, i mean it's just it doesn't matter. I'm sure they've done it Yeah, dark side viper is a bigger youtuber than me. He has a bigger youtube channel than i do The guys that are fucking yelling About me and about others are not actually tiny fucking people But the comparison back to the comparison i was talking about I tackle it head-on. I yell about it. I'd never fucking cave I never give in and that probably makes me seem like a dickhead or a seam is Definition seemed that way because you are that thing. Yeah, like I don't know There's not much confusion That insane chat and hasan's chat. This is just a symptom of the hyper individualist obsession with copyright Christ, this is your brain on whatever the fuck this is I was about to say what were you going to choose because this is just gobble shit Abolish copyright abolish property Hyper individualist is like just don't steal my shit, please. Why are you being such an individualist? I like the idea that You know aug had the big rock and then oog is like why are you being such a hyper Let me play with your rock Don't come into my house and try to fuck my wife. Why are you being such a hyper individualist? Yeah, she can make her own choices. You fascist back to the people that are not super uh Aware of the issue or the people that are looking at it and going yeah, it is kind of fucked up This person's making some good points. Why is this guy yelling? I guess he just doesn't know how to deal with criticism. Uh, and then there's the excuse you see way of dealing with it um Doing a video on a show is not stealing content you clown How's he gonna do with this guy? Oh brother. I Brother friends with sargon. That's just your point of view it was I don't know if you quote that I could reroll it but uh That that you want to show is not stealing content you clown Brother brother That's just your point of view I uh I just what what could you what could you do at that point? He's practically advocate that he's like look we all have our own perspective on everything stop trying to argue anything Okay Just like I give up you win It was a whole one hour video that boiled down to you should have asked to stream my content Ironic the house video was just j-reacting the google's content. Well. I already fucking said he's right about that The point that comment was making is that j did to google's content What hassan apparently did to j it's like are you Why are you all so stupid and it's like well look at their shepherd. They're like, oh I guess There's not much hope in that chat and I apologize for it So that's fucking crazy that he's still making videos about it when we agree supposedly on the issue So you do not agree on the issue Well for those of you who think that that's like actually fucking totally in good faith. I don't know what to tell you man There you haven't even watched the video Feels like it needs to keep getting repeated. You don't even know the contents of j's video. You haven't seen it You've just written it off immediately. Why is that necessary? Why wouldn't you just see the video to know everything about it? I can't believe like that. He thinks that he's smart I don't I can't I think he's I can believe that he's stupid enough to think he's smart It's a vicious cycle fringy. It's a vicious vicious cycle vicious cycle like actually fucking Totally in good faith. I don't know what to tell you man They're correct if they if they're like, I don't want you to react to my videos Which is kind of a weird response to a comment in which I actively tell him I'm fine with him reacting to my content son. If you see this, I'm happy for you to react to my videos Come on. Holy fuck like how many times Yeah, just He just explained to his chat that he and j agree on the point that he shouldn't react To the videos which is not at all Not at all. What j said and and that was a clip of assan reading the comment out loud that said go ahead and react so How did this happen like? I just don't get it Assan you got up from your chair one time. So now all the content you've ever made is chair Yeah, I know that's like the really weird part This is a different clip from all the ones you've seen so far And when those reactors are gone seriously can't be defending react content, of course I am Of course I am what is this 2016 youtube dumbass? Everybody does it and it's fucking good like you enjoy it. You're literally here watching me react to charlie's content Like that's so stupid man. It's so stupid you're Like they make it seem like this is completely undefensible like are indefensible I'm glad he had the self-awareness glad he had the self-awareness to catch that If he sees like the biggest critiques coming from Us and like j and stuff. It's like well people whose bread and buzzers reacting to shit Why do you think that we think the reacting is bad? Why do you think jay thinks reacting is bad when jay said you can react to my video just transform it or another one of jay's clever traps Yeah, it's trying to appear good faith So fucking weird that's right other channel video about the house was much better and he played his two words his outrage I mean, yeah, well, donkeys fucking dope Yeah, because he didn't I can believe that you think that don't get in complain. So donkeys good late, right go Framed it. I've actually seen some other content creators saying things like I guess Isan just gets up and lets a video play for an hour Etc clearly not getting that the chair is a meme. Yeah, I know that's what's frustrating like this has staying power Okay, you're not being there and watching it as a meme and that you kind of agree with that as if that's a defense I think one is too many when you've got three Okay, there's definitely a problem and how many have I shown like seven? Yeah, and what one or two streams. Yeah Okay, it's like fucking when you have like psychopathic delusional deranged self-interested pieces of shit that are regularly The selfishest of other people it's such a burden the range and self-interested. Who does that describe? Yeah, it's definitely staying power is an interesting term. He's he's losing sleep over this shit He thinks this is the gonna be the death of Ass-lighting everyone Um, then yeah, some people are going to believe that after a while They're gonna unironically think like one of the top fucking twitch streamers is just routinely leaving Just like playing a video and then walking the fuck away Oh That is so delusional just watch for yourself dude Just watch That's all I urge you to do. Okay I mean his reactions to this video hasn't even been that good. Like there's been loads of huge gaps We're just letting charlie entertain his audience um But like this isn't even a good example I'm sure there are at least a hundred people that came in here earlier today to be like I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna get him good. I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking notice I'm gonna see for my own with my own two eyes that this motherfucker Just you know plays a video and then walks away all day. That's all he does I hope if you're one of those hundred people That came in here with that POV that maybe you now recognize that that was fucking wrong and that person No, they know it's right because I've seen the clips They know that you've done it. Yeah, I don't know anybody Anybody who said like all you do is leave a chair I seriously doubt they think that you legitimately are never reacting to content by being there Um, they're just being hyperbolic That's what I would imagine because the whole point is that you do the bad thing not that it's only the bad thing But I guess if you only address to that point Then yeah, you can easily knock it down. She'd be like, look, I'm here right now. Aha debunked I was quite literally lying to you about The way that I make content and hopefully you will be a little bit more I don't know critical in the way that you approach Wow, wow, this is really amusing and interesting, isn't it? Hey, you know what maybe you've been deceived and hopefully you'll be more discerning says the man Who found one comment and latched on to it forever Pretty much favorite content creators in the in Uh in your uh, you know In your approach jay on our like I said that in his video too. There's no serious convo. What do you mean? He said that that's all I do. I just sit around and let my chair do the reacting That's why so many people are fucking saying that. Yeah jay said that that's something jay said. It's true Hassan is an accomplished creator who almost certainly knows better than to oh he left Okay, so it actually turns out that Hassan will just fairly regularly get up and leave while other people's videos are playing This isn't what I'm here to prove in this video. This is just a fact This is something he does you could make a compilation of me Sitting around not even on camera with a fucking video playing in the background You could when you're live for 13 hours a fucking day Of course, there's gonna be of course. There's gonna be fucking dead space in between But it's not the leaving in and of itself that is the issue The same issue would be present if he was just sat there not saying anything like jinx was the getting up and leaving For extended periods of time just goes to show that he doesn't give a shit about even pretending that he's contributing anything here But even when he's in the room, he's no stranger to just streaming other people's content with his own face in the corner Now any content creator he does this too could be entirely okay with it But I know from personal experience that he definitely doesn't bother to check now This certainly isn't the only thing he does. Hell. It's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does But it is something that he does pretty often. So let's talk about it That's the full context of that section jay explicitly says it ain't the only thing he does If only you watched the video to confirm whether or not this was the case Yeah, but jay streams with nazis. So why would you trust anything he says? Yeah I was gonna say we should probably stop trusting jay streams with nazis we probably should and um and I don't know like In retrospect, so what's jay supposed to do with that section? How can that be better? Or quicker It's got all of the standard caveats everywhere and it explains the point Which by the way is lost on hasan the fact that it's not even about whether or not you're there It's whether or not you're transforming it It could have been better if jay said hasan is right and i'm wrong and then All reactors are bad people. They exploit. Okay, not that's a dark fight. But not a great start Not a great start Others to benefit no one but themselves Okay, still it's not it collectively. They have stolen millions of dollars from actual creators and have stopped countless thousands from having a career Oh, it's just uh, I wouldn't I wouldn't have tweeted that he wants to do the same thing jay did but he's way more passionate angry and harsh it's just like a Exposed nerve vision Which is unfortunate that it happened at very similar times because hasan just lumped them together It's all I do I just sit around and let my chair do the reacting That's why so many people are fucking saying that This certainly isn't the only thing he does hell It's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does By the way, I've ironically never watched this dude's videos And I will refuse to watch his videos because the original video that he made is about how I shouldn't watch his videos And I know that he wants me to watch his videos on stream told me this but Yeah, there's a non-sense tangle I don't know if he actually said that I don't know if he actually said that or not But what I can tell you is this his fan base absolutely thinks that which is pretty funny because again other youtube content creators Uh, they have quite little I can't even tell you what the video says But I can tell you what the people who watch that video think Yep, it's good enough. All right. Yeah, it's really made jokes about Other content creators have quite literally made jokes like casually explained have quite literally made jokes They tweet something about you truly every hour truly unhinged. Jesus fucking christ I just saw one of them on twitter say Just say that you're staying on your chair because it is now he did good dog. I literally gained like 25 to 30 pounds Over the course of 2020 It was great about this is the I've put his audio Unedited behind the clips and sometimes when it because of his fucking gaps you're like wait more of you You know if you put the next one in it's like no it's like I was just I don't think I've ever come across someone who's this popular And like speaks incredibly slowly And it's such a weird kind of slowly It's not even quality. Yeah, it's not even quality slowly Like eventually when the words come out when the thought does form itself in his head The beauty of what is used for from his lips makes it all worth it in the end Instead When he speaks it's like. Oh, oh It's like the you know the big mechanical spider creature from wild wild west Yeah, yeah imagine that but with one leg Okay, it's sort of dragging itself Around that's what him speaking is like That makes sense because I just don't move at all like that's not I just I sit on this fucking chair for eight hours He starts by saying all reactors are bad people So I mean his video boils down to link every video watch because people aren't capable to find the video themselves and react harder Yeah, it's really stupid I thought that you said that you credited him. Why would you think that that's a stupid point? If you think he's already said what to do Well, I guess he's always had an issue with react harder. He hates that being said so I'm sure he hates that because it's cuts deep and true Yeah, that's poisoning the well as he says Dark Viper is the bad fate version of that jay's video was about jay's video was fucking bad too, man Like never seen it, but okay I always do that. I got fat for you. His entire fucking fan base thinks I do that So I don't know what to tell you about that This certainly isn't the only thing he does I don't know what to tell him about that. Do you think that's a really good point? But I mean all of his audience I'm sure that you've gone through and because you're so thorough In vetting all of the information that comes away That was the two-parter of his reply to that comment was I'm I'm going to assert that I know what this huge nebulous group of people think Also, I don't know what to tell you After that insanely bold assertion You can't you can't have you can't say that after you claim that about so many people and yet I have this absurd insight into this massive group of people Also, I don't know what to tell you Hell it's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does There like that's all the criticism I hear non fucking stop Every single one of these motherfuckers are like dude. You literally like Literally fucking don't actually all you do is just like sit around and you don't do anything He's like twisting it all up now because like well, we don't want you to do it ever Doing it ever is bad and he's like, oh you think I do it all the time Like I don't care how often you do it don't do it Yeah, this is not a thing that you should do ever the more you do it the worse it is Um, you fucking play a video and you move on I guess some consciously the way I had to stop watching the video LeMau Yeah, I mean dude fans. Fuck. I basically said it twice. Yeah, basically. I mean only watched a part But that's what they said with more words. Basically. I know but their fans are not going to see that That's what jay said but with more words in reference to jay said that all he does is leave stream What jay actually said certainly isn't the only thing he does Hell it's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does Man, it was like jay just said he's never there but in more words People fucking freaked out over master chef. I got hit with a fake. I got hit with a fake dmca Remember And people saw the fake dmca and were like well next time it'll be a real one They weren't celebratory that we caught someone trying to fucking weaken the system Celebratory Celebratory. Yeah, this is this is something we need to cycle through maybe Under the two or three times because this this is a web of insanity. So What he just said was Instead of being celebratory that uh, we escaped the dmca because it was a fake one People were like, oh, you'll get a real one next time and he says so instead Of being like thankful that we we stopped the exploit Being that someone filed a false dmca They're saying I will get hit with the dmca for real. It's like You think they were exploiting You the the person stealing master chef Like they were the ones Well, as long as you get away with it, you're not exploiting right? It's insane to me. It's not against the law if you aren't caught. That's right People saw the fake dmca and were like well next time it'll be a real one They weren't celebratory that we caught someone trying to fucking weaken the system By abusing the system that's set in place. They were abusing the system I just instead of getting excited for that dub They were still like well, fuck you and the dub in this case is the ability to steal tv shows I can keep stealing into the future. It's complicated Why tell on me guys? I'm making loads of money from doing barely any work. It's like, oh my god You just I just can't wait for the twitch park ellipse when they come down on you so hard that it flattens your entire history of fucking vods because All you've been doing with that poor show that so many people have fucking worked on it's like I want to say is the highest art But I happen to know it's very entertaining You know next time it'll be a real one Since then everyone but fucking gordon ramsey pretty much has been a fan I have graham like it has gotten on twitches. Everybody but gordon ramsey like well Everybody but gordon ramsey the executive producer and host on the And probably the biggest contributor to his entertainment value I think you're saying that graham elliot who was one of the the um Judges for a while is cool with it. It's like it doesn't like it's not just they don't have the rights Well, yeah, because the rights belong to fox Up to them whether or not they are happy with it And can you believe involved in that show an executive producer The the the gall on someone to try and prevent us on from stealing all this shit. What a bad person that was That I could stream game of thrones. What's the problem Kind of that's actually a good example here consequence of me watching master chef I've had master chef contestants on the stream. Aron is making me cookies right now Contestants don't own master chef. I don't even know it's not that decision. What does he think he's arguing here? Yeah, what is So people who who you're not stealing from are fine with you stealing from someone else So it was money out of their pocket. I guarantee you well if it was overtly money out of their pocket They would not be happy with you Yeah, I bet they I had her on and she literally gained 20k fucking youtube subs That in that moment when I had her on and I fucking doubt you having her on a stream gave her 20 000 youtube subs in a moment First of all, I doubt it. Second of all, you didn't bring jay on or shout out the video. You clicked off of it immediately Prevented any promotion make sure no one knew whose video it was that you stole and by the way Um people have criticized for that and he will remind everybody that hey He was busy cooking and eating food. It's like no no no We're talking about when you very deliberately shut jay up as desperately as you can This is action you took to prevent a promotion that you didn't have to do anything else for Midspooning the food into your mouth But then triage something took precedent and you had to staunch the bleeding So even though I've got A bowl in one hand and a fork or whatever in this hand and I'm shoveling food into my fucking mouth while I'm stealing content I have to stop that and stop the video To make sure jay doesn't get to even say who he is And what he's doing Disgusting and pointed to our fucking youtube channel. So That's the the reason why I'm making that meme of like Oh, I'm having fun the people that I'm reacting to are having fun And everyone's consenting except for random guy in australia. Who's very upset For no fucking reason No reason When you reacted that one r slash a son piker posed after the ninky drama It really showed that not only are you willing to admit when you're wrong But also willing to be empathetic to those who engage with good faith criticism Yeah, exactly I am a good person. Yes. Thank you. That is true. I am a good person If it's someone in my fan base if it's a if someone is coming at it like By even recognizing that they're being emotional about their criticism or anger. I literally fucking I still will apologize. I don't want to harm someone. I don't want to hurt someone's feelings That's not who I am. You wouldn't want to hurt someone's feelings. That's not who he is Your parents hate you you amount to nothing ever. We've we've learned The course of our Experienced lives and many forms of media You don't typically take what people say about themselves as proof of their characteristics. It's more so their actions So, yeah, we we know um We know what lies are Yes, I was actually going to bring that up as a concept, but I figured chat knows about those so So He seems to claim that he very much cares about people and he wouldn't want to hurt people's feelings Interesting. That's not uh, that's not what I do at all Yo, that's my ardent and sure it was stolen by boss So I haven't gotten any revenue or credit would just suck the law because I'm a very small artist I tweeted it if you want to share Oh this Jesus Christ. Yeah for context and I think Adam and such might have seen this before but yeah, so it's a piece of shit So artwork someone made for Hasan someone else stole it and put it onto t-shirts to sell Hasan bought the shirt from that other seller and they got the money This person is saying dude the shirt you're wearing. That's my art. Here's the origin of it now. Look what happens You go Live, this is uh, wonderful. I love this art pay them Dude, what the fuck paid with exposure chat I didn't fucking steal this person's art. Why are you guys yelling at me, dude? Because someone else stole it and you paid them you fucking moron It's so wonderfully. It's like a it's like a you know twilight zone episodes a little mini stories, right? This is like the twilight episode where we learn Hasan is not only stupid, but a horrible person. He also has a hat that says korea veteran Um, I uh, I will I I like how he is like paid with expo like he stopped himself when he realized Yeah, he was supposed to say that not because he really disagrees with that argument I guess considering that he was about to say it and that's all he did But more so because he knew oh wait that makes me look bad um Yeah God damn dude. What the fuck paid with exposure I don't want to harm someone. I don't want to hurt someone's feelings. That's not who I am. That's not uh That's not what I do at all Show their fucking channel name dude. It's not a big deal No shit dumbass. What kind of a fucking baboon are you fungus like you think I disagree with that? Why do you oh god? I fucking despise these dipshits, dude I seek it out now Yo, I swear to god, dude. I swear to fucking god Like oh, yeah, that's such a fucking dingus dude. Let's show their channel name. I'm ass I was dead so fucking hard like what is this attitude that you have you stupid fuck I don't want to harm someone. I don't want to hurt someone's feelings That's not who I am. That's not uh That's not what I do at all Why do you say retailers hate our lives? Yes, I said I was just a fuck man. I worked in retail but my life was worth living. Okay. I'm just gonna ban you, dude. Um, okay I think you need to cool off a little bit All they said was please don't say retail workers hate their lives. I don't hate my life any band It's so absurd you speak against the go and uh Just just go and uh, you know live a life worth living outside. Okay eat grass dumb ass Eat grass eat grass I just like I don't know if that guy deserved a ban to be honest Do you want one too, dude? Here you go 22 month subscriber. Have fun with that. Okay, fuck I don't want to harm someone He thinks it's more points if you find someone the longer they've been subscribed Once you once you ban them you get even more points. It's like a payout. The funnier it is that they've been banned One I don't want to hurt someone's feelings He doesn't want to hit those feelings. He doesn't want to harm anybody. He doesn't want to hit their feelings. It's fine It's like when an old lady falls downstairs the longer. Well, maybe the Maybe we can just continue. Maybe that's true. That's not who I am. There's not, uh That's not what I do at all. You want one too, dude? Here you go 22 month subscriber. Have fun with that. Okay Oh Damn, he's gone to the evil side I've been doing this for a very long time. Like I I've never That's not the defense you think it is I've been hanging around for months years I seek it out now mad streamer. Yeah, I am fucking mad here. Take a week off dipshit Don't you think you went a little hard You too, dude, here you go 28 month subscriber I don't want to harm someone. I don't want to hurt someone's feelings. God damn. That's not who I am. That's not, uh I feel like we've had an interesting comparison there of things being said versus things being done. I don't know It comes to your own conclusions. I suppose not what I do at all I mean would it be a Hassan reaction without him fucking leaving I don't think so Come on Just because I don't cry about it and turn around and go oh me look how much of a fucking victim I am like dark side viper or whatever the fuck his name is and and jx Machina doesn't choose the reality I mean I'm impressed that he was even able to do that. He must have written it down You know he thought of that and he wrote it down. What does he think is the joke j from the machine? Is that is that like It's simply that it is x and then yes, yes, yes, because x sounds like x and that's very clever He did like you're fucking absolutely weaponizing. You're pretty sizable fan base. Okay, you're doing that Oh doing that same shit. Shut the fuck up. Be happy that I don't do the same back to you if we're being fucking real Wow Feel lucky that I don't feel lucky that I haven't weaponized my audience against you. It's a really interesting thing to say I feel like we're on the verge of a threat there. Uh I think he's got your email. He knows your name He's coming for you. Praise me for not being an extra piece of shit only a big piece of shit At least I have some decency. Okay to like avoid your fucking shitty content for the most part I have the decency to avoid your shitty content. You haven't even watched all you Man Come believe this. I can't I can't believe Fucking hell If you had your ma's link the videos that you watched this would all blow over You're so fucking wrong because they do already and I literally mention it in the chat when I watch videos But you didn't and watch what he says because he remembers that he didn't All the time except for that one instance where I was fucking cooking and I fucked up and I admitted that I fucked up No, you didn't that never actually happened. It's the first time we've ever heard you say this That's interesting. But um, he's also seemed to forgotten. He's like, oh, I was busy cooking It's like no you were right there and you chose to silence j was weird But you're still talking about it. Yeah, because you've never addressed it No, you're getting all angry because you're a fucking idiot That I'm from my perspective. Just kind of good look it just seems like Irrelevant, I love that clip It's been great Case then you would have shut the fuck up. You never would have had that criticism You literally never would have had that criticism. I my mods Actually fucking spam links whenever we have people on on the stream. Oh Oh Okay, right but not necessarily when you're reacting to their videos already admitted That he didn't do it in the instance that comment is referring to So that comment is one, but you're just rambling now Actually fucking spam youtube videos when people ask for what the youtube video is that guy's lucky that the chat has scrolled Otherwise, he probably would have been banned. Um, but he's been lost now I spam the youtube videos. I show the youtube videos. I give props to the fucking content creator You didn't a lot of the content creators are watch if not nearly all of them are friends of mine or at least in the fucking Oh, that that that almost sounds like it would be a better system because that means that you can get permission An appreciation from them directly instead of just stealing the shit without them knowing you and getting all the utility with zero consequence Yeah, but he said he's not gonna do that. No, yeah No, he'll do whatever he wants on his stream It's capitulating Of content creators are i'm familiar with that. I know would not have a hard time or a problem with me watching their shit Some of the content creators that I watch without consent come into the chat while i'm watching their shit and go That's awesome. Thank you so much for doesn't matter You've admitted you have already admitted apparently in your world that jay is right. Why are you even bringing this up? This is all irrelevant People are Well, don't you remember he was very clear He said he would never want to give jay what jay is once But jay does agree with him about the initial point in which he does agree was correct Except that is what he's going to do now to avoid what jay wants, which is okay. It was it was very simple Yeah, I I followed it all completely. I don't think some of you guys getting confused It's the one arm mechanical spider just dragging itself along the desert It's a sentence. It's just oh lands on a point Somewhere for watching my shit Okay Not only that Philip DeFranco is another great example of this Philip DeFranco will add me to farm fucking engagement will add me on the and clickbait titles with me Knowing full well that I will fucking pause his videos will literally fucking make jokes about how much I pause his videos What does that have to do with anything? I I don't think I could care any less about what Philip DeFranco has to say on anything I don't know why this is brought up. So it's I why are we talking about this someone completely irrelevant It's not about what you think rags. How does the comments feel about Philip DeFranco? Let me know below if you agree. No, we can either farm all the comments for the the title of the compilation That's what they gotta give the comments in this video. Okay, but I get your mint and reference. That was good Same with casually explain so many people on the in the youtube sphere has made jokes about how Much I fucking pause videos and how much context I add on the bullshit. I'm doing it right now This is a 30 minute video from my friend I don't know how he's on this because the commenter said just credit them Which isn't even actually a comment on his reaction. You know just credit But now he's like ranting full on about how he definitely transforms it because everyone complains that he pauses Too much like you've already admitted that you weren't there for this one. You fucked up this one Yeah, what the comment is talking about what? There's no way to make sense of this other than he's just still annoyed and he's just ranting about this And charlie who made a video right? 30 fucking minute video. I've been talking about this for an hour I do this every fucking day So it's additionally ridiculous that like people who have clearly never watched a fucking video How do you think we find these compilations like how do you think they're created they're just CGI Like like we get a bot to watch all of his streams and pick out the times the chair is empty And if you watch someone's video for like 20 minutes and then you pause it for an hour To rant and then you watch the rest of 20 minutes like you're not transforming the work You just took a break in between Well, we've already seen the massive swaths of the video that he didn't say anything about And he's not really been talking about the video. He's mostly been talking about How many times has he like torn apart what dark vipers said in these clips or supported what? Uh, in fact, he's gone against a lot of what critical sex. He's like critically being too nice And mostly talked about himself and it's I'm talking to his comment Yeah, but he's definitely this is what I mean. I think I'd be unsatisfied I'd grade this an f for for reaction to charlie's video probably If I was to go through it with a fine tooth comb But uh, the thing is I would allow this to pass compared to the fucking shit that he was doing before like this is way better than You know leaving well, he's there. He's making mouth sounds. So yeah, because it's bizarre, right? If I play, um, you know Hell's kitchen For two minutes and then pause for two minutes and every one of those pauses I'm talking about how much I'm really having trouble on world of warcraft these days It would just be like, you know, like what is that? Enjoy the bump they get from us watching next If this is about not linking the vid the url and the video title on stream non-stop just put in the youtube search bar Lamar, yeah, exactly. It's fucking bullshit. It's just totally bullshit. It's totally I expect that someone's gonna if the url is in the search bar You expect somebody to look at the search bar and type it out of all of those characters Just And he fucked it on jays one you couldn't see that No, you couldn't see and he already admitted that he fucked up on it. But now he's like, yeah, it's ridiculous, man It's like what? Can you know what please hang on to a thought just one You're pretty good at owning up to criticism Hassan. Yeah, no, I know I'm so good at it I I run toward it, you know On sense it's people trying to make a it's Yeah, I mean here look look at this everybody is 24 minute jubilee video triggers Hassanabe for two hours liberal team 24 minutes I just and also these are rookie numbers. They're rookie numbers We're a we got an hour 12 minute video. We're up to seven and a half hours Which actually might equal out ratio wise. I'm not sure but We did pretty well today. I think but you didn't do this. I didn't know that jay's channel was called jubilee Yeah, no Let's see versus conservative parrots Really Hmm Do you think I just sit there you think it's just nobody's saying this you're fucking idiot Jesus what what is it? You think it's like 24 hours in a loop? I'm not mad this guy at all. I'm mad at the fucking dudes that have been like Trying to create a non-issue and try to create a non-issue you fucked up. We wouldn't be trying to create a non-issue It's like turning it out. It's it's making a molehill out of a mountain. That's kind of what he's done He's got it backwards. What he means to say is they're making a big deal out of a non-issue. Yeah, instead of But he screwed it up All the energy and stress and anger. He's expelled over this instead of just Doing what charlie did and saying you're right. I fucked up and I'll try to do better going forward Yeah, didn't mean to yeah, all that stuff. Yeah Something awesome vid today ball up a please next type different topic. This is the end of the trilogy guys This is the last this is the last one Next week will be a multimedia medley. I'm gonna talk. Wait, wait, wait. You have to ban that guy Oh, uh, yes mods. Do you think he was mean and if anyone says it's a bit harsh to ban that guy, that's a ban The unfortunate reality is like Here's the secret sauce. Okay. Here's the secret sauce You make a you make a big deal You make a big stink out of a thing that is otherwise a complete non-issue The moment that other content creators like larger content creators react to it Okay That's when it becomes an issue. It's like the dmca. Shit. Everyone's still watching dmca able content But everyone shut the fuck up about it. So what's interesting and I mentioned this to free before is he's not wrong Though what he's describing Is right now he's describing it as a problem because it affected him negatively If you think about it when there is a problem now I don't know if you guys remember this a bit controversial, but there was a problem in youtube's recommended where it would send you to like YouTube's recommended was a great way for Like child predators to find very easy recommended recommended records. Remember this like youtube. Yes for the weird Yeah, I do they'd make the yeah, they'd make the really weird animated stuff that was Designed and built around showing up and recommended with keywords and stuff if someone said Nobody would have stopped all that from happening if you guys hadn't made so much fucking noise about it. It'd be like well, yeah Yeah, when you find something wrong you you put a spotlight on it You shout about it. You get other people to talk about it. You get bigger creators talk about it to highlight the issue He's highlighting here God guys, this wouldn't be a big issue if people weren't talking about it. It's like Yeah I guess so how it works for things. Yeah when people talk about it It becomes a bigger issue because more people are talking about it And so yeah, what i'm getting out here is that he's correct But for some reason he's describing it here as a negative thing when in reality I would see it as a positive thing We need the attention of bigger creators in order to get more of a spotlight on this problem And obviously it was really cool. I'm sure he would understand this right as a political advocate Yeah, and it was cool that critical such a huge content creator outright Credited and linked jay's stuff and said his mind was changed positively about all this and going forward things will Will alter and then the sands here like that's just what jay wanted like yeah, yeah So yeah, it's really weird to listen to all this being explained as though it's a bad thing How did that happen? How did that happen? Why did everybody shut the fuck up about it? It was the grossest violation motherfuckers were acting like they were ip lawyers on the on the internet on reddit Why is no one talking about it anymore because no one gives a fuck Hot tubs hot tubs were the worst thing that's ever happened It's just whatever the fuck is in front of you. Okay, whatever the fuck is in front of your eyes. That's it I mean that will take precedent oftentimes like I can't be concerned about one thing forever New problems arise Yeah, exactly. You're just describing how all humans aren't yourself included We just we can't keep our attention on one thing forever. I only have so much attention I could split up to all the world's problems So I will generally alternate from okay. This problem is happening now Now let's talk about this problem and then maybe something will rear its head again And we'll talk about that again, and then we'll talk about another thing like we did with this one Yeah, when he reared his fucking head again, we decided yeah, we'll cover it If you ever change your focus and you don't just complain about the same thing forever That means you didn't really care about it in the first place Also, his some him blasting through these topics. I'm sitting here like Well stuff was probably done about it right because I don't remember. I don't know that the hot tub matter is still the matter on twitch It's probably not anymore I think they made it its own section So yeah, if that's the case, I'm sure but I guess that's You know if he's like oh people used to talk about all the time now they're not talking about it as much It's like yeah, but what happened? What was the summary of the event? So I'm assuming stuff changed things were addressed, right? Yeah, I mean this happens with far more serious things as time goes on Like people don't talk about 9 11 the holocaust as much now. It's just it's things cycle in and out of the common Well, even the um even the war right it's getting you know with ukraine right now. Yeah Yeah, remember yeah the the trucker stuff Well, we we don't talk about that because there's a war now and now the war is like, oh that's old news Yeah, blah blah blah now we got to talk about this. We are in like an unprecedented age of cycling events to talk about Like it just moves right along. There is a single spotlight What about his son himself? I mean every time he's watching master chef He's not talking about the plight of the working class. Does that mean he stopped caring about it? Well, let's be really never cared. I never cared about The son cares about the plight of his son. Yes The plight of the imagine or otherwise Like the the will smith oska stuff that was everywhere. That's probably at its end now, right for four days Yeah, it was really a huge deal. I guess we never cared about that Hmm And now it's become a fucking issue even though it's not a real issue at all because like I said you already conceded and apologized But you keep forgetting this shit and you're just like it's not an issue. You know, oh god settle I beg you and how do the people that? Uh, most people are reacting to actually appreciate it the people that are watching the reaction content How many times we heard him say this at this point? It's annoying appreciate it And that's it You know, you know a broken clock is right twice a day He's like a clock. That's just slow. I knew you're gonna say that I said in front of you recently. I hate you What that joke What it what where was it? The clock is slow. So he's never fucking right Where was it from? Where was it from? Uh, I don't know where I would have gotten it from Presumably like I read it. Oh, did I get it from you? I would assume so because that's I don't know I don't know. I just I just I thought that popped into my head. It's a thing. I'm a joke. See if yeah Get him. Amy Schumer. What? No, no, that's not true. You're Schumer. Mullen. How dare you? I did not I did not hear you the awards Right around jokes around my head that's you can steal all my jokes while you are I'm happy when you steal my jokes. I'm not like credit you because I think you're a funny man 99.9% of people love it when I steal their jokes. Okay Okay, call back. That's good Saved it at the end. Here we go But absolutely I took a peanut butter and l e sandwich on a lot He did not like the fucking things that he quote unquote took an l on are ridiculous, dude I I don't know. I think I thought you agreed Remember what he said he doesn't remember what he agrees and doesn't agree to he legitimately does not remember he's He's gotten more bitter and now he's like, you know what? No, neither of us did anything wrong actually and we're on the same team right charlie. You and I we didn't do anything wrong And charlie's like no I think I can't tell if charlie's doing this because he's like the nicest person ever Or if he's doing it to come across more reasonable and like, uh, you know You got a fucking cave a little bit as moral principles You gotta the Hassan doesn't recognize that he's like what that doesn't make any sense You got to like make it seem like, you know, the other side made your interlocutors made some good points Specifically so that you can like win over Uh, they're their audience or make them you can only make sense of it this way It has to be a capitulate and to get more viewers. That's the only way it can be explained There has to be some like secret motivation here It's insane how much digging he'll do for both jay and charlie when they're trying to be like really good faith And he's just like all this like it's gotta be clout money, blah blah blah Meanwhile all the crap that he has said and we're sitting here desperately Waiting for him to have like a coherent line of thoughts so that we can talk about the motivation because his motivation is He's a piece of shit basically everything Their audience more receptive Um, I don't know. I I think it my honest accept my honest assumption here Uh, or my honest take on this is that like he didn't He is way too charitable and way too nice to people who are very seen the video. No, so you And yet Clearly trying to fucking farm off of his likeness off of his clout All of that you're once upon a time I mean, he gives the clout away quote-unquote by saying jay was right jay's video is good check out jay He's like And the nissan sees that he's like wow jay got the clout Instead of just being like wait, what if it's a good video though? He's like no impossible kill stream Time a decent content creator. Oh my god, dude. Oh dude. I'm losing my mind on behalf of charlie. I'm gonna I'm gonna yell at him Dude, he's so fucked up this guy Why is he so fucking nice? He watched his entire video and this guy's like saying you make shit content You fucking clout goblin, dude. What a fucking musty little freak, dude. Holy shit Insulting people like that. I just thought it's weird to me because um It's it. I hate to fucking hop on about it But you can't help it be like man, we're we're reverting back Aren't we we're going all the way back around because it started up with like the gamers are being too mean but like The amount of shit hasana said across all these clips You're like, you'll you'll know like better than the fucking guy who got banned from fortnite or whatever recently What was the game he was playing? I don't know valorant valorant Yeah, you show him and he's like you're a woman get back in the kitchen and you're like Oh, that's really bad and then you show hasan who's like you're a worm whose existence is simply a burden on this world And your parents hate you it's like Uh Right, but as long as your insults are not based on some oppressed class That hasana cares about then it's okay to be like a total piece of shit. I should like You combine it all and she's like fuck me, man. You're you're ushering in a brand new gamer age When you're just gonna be like as long as you don't yeah, it just just be as harsh as fuck Just don't don't target the wammons or the minorities and you'll be fine. It's the it's the huxley quote Yeah I'm in his like little fucking basement wearing his ugly-ass tank top with his fucking hamburger meat popping out my lord What a fucking sick Freak, dude. Oh your content fucking sucks. Yeah, shut the fuck up, dude. Are you fucking kidding me? Oh god Oh, it is so gross dude. Holy shit Why did you apologize? Because dark viper had some points that lined up with with jay's ones that are just valid And critical was like, yeah, he's made some good points. He's also made some shit ones I think dev's right about the high school mentality because asana is just totally channeling mean girl energy right now. Yep Well, it's the yeah, it's the thing in the movie where they just like they have to now analyze your look And pick out everything they think is ugly about you and point it out The fucking um, do you ever see community like albedo? Yeah with albedo has the little like terminator tracker Oh my god And then I started branching into other forms of content that I just have a lot more fun doing I'm still mad. I'm still fucking angry. Oh my god. I can't like He is so gross, dude. He's so fucking gross. Who the fuck subscribes to this guy Seriously, if you subscribe to this fucking basement dwelling freak who's literally like, oh your content fucking sucks Now. Oh, it's just like the worst kind of fucking It's the worst kind of fan. They're doing that Exclusively so they can get one on you Charlie is out of it So prepare yourself to be the center of attention for the next two days with these two weirdos because he capitulated And you did not now you're gonna be in the center of the shit storm and I can't handle it I'm just not gonna fucking respond to after this. I would have never watched that dude's video I would have never watched just think about how uh hasan often tries to like appeal this atmosphere of like, you know I'm just leaving it alone. I'm getting on with it. How much crap has he shoveled on to jay in this stream? Insane and it's like I'm sure you'd be like, yeah, well jay made the video. It's like you didn't have to talk about any of it You keep pausing on people addressing it and then you shout at them for being wrong And ban them and stuff. It's like You're making this all a thing and then you're just like, oh, I just want everyone to leave alone. Jeez Anyone's a video. I'm only watching charlie's videos If charlie doesn't do another video on it. I just will not watch it and I will not respond to it I'll just fucking ban and move on Uh, and also the other guy jay who uh, both me and charlie reacted to one fucking time uh Unfortunately, and I'm so sorry that I did that like I've apologized a year ago Uh, and then said he was right a year ago um You know, that's uh, it's ridiculous to continuous. Uh continues to bring that up over and over again It's not like I fucking murdered someone chill out, dude what Such a parody Fucking just lie lie lie lie follow it up with why are you aggraded mood or anybody? Dude like But you're still talking about it because you're a fucking idiot Chill out, dude. Oh man. I feel like in the jay videos and clip Weird they spend a decent amount of time just shitting on you I mean, dude, I asked ludwig and ludwig said the same thing. He's like, dude You just took fat l's on that one like l after l after l context He's a friend of a guy called ludwig and uh that guy thinks that hassan failed after watching jay's video apparently So now that he's just said that ludwig said that and his chat is reactionary as hell Look what he catches happening almost immediately. I I didn't actually watch the video itself I have no idea what the fuck's in it jay's video was fucking bad too, man Yeah, I didn't actually watch the video itself. I have no idea what the fuck's in it. All right It's a fun. Did I miss the hassan redemption arc or are we still uh, we still No, we're still slight I like those clips back to back They're uh I wouldn't want to bet my life on that one The video itself. I have no idea what the fuck's in it Jay's video was fucking bad too, man. Yeah, I didn't actually watch the video itself. I have no idea what the fuck's in it Just get a clean vision of that. I don't know. It's just funny I said that there were Nazis or something. So that's what he was pretty bad Jay's video is bad too, man. I don't know what's in it I And uh, like he probably presented it in a way that makes it seem like I'm a fucking huge villain You know what I mean, and I get you know what I guarantee that for sure by just checking and watching the video I know that's what jay wants and we can't do what jay wants other than when we agree with jay right Speak for eight hours continuously. So it's probably very easy to like whip me up into a frenzy and then Uh whip me off whip me up into a frenzy and then like fucking turn it into a very good hit piece. So Mahler, you know, I mean, yeah, I've kind of hit me a lot of them You know, it was so easy to do hit pieces on these three streamers because all I had to do was show you what they say and then Hit piece hit piece. Yeah, but a good two minute video like the Like the one they did on joe rogan would really I mean that would get a lot of shares on twitter That would really piss off a song Well the compilation of all the horrible things he says all the horrible things he's done. Yeah, exactly Hey, anyone is welcome to tear apart the compilation videos. I am out after this. I'm so fucking tired of listening to these people It's definitely done with this. I'm sick of it. I'm so sick, but this is such a frustrating More more more It's really annoying Well, so just one hour and 28 minute It's four hours Um, it'll be four as a complete completion this They'll just be stitched together. Um, well if you want to uh, Adam, I can give you Do you do you want this video is what you're saying? I'm assuming We'll do it Okay, we have to keep within Hassan's mark if you want if you want succulent fleam cringe Yes, I can get you the link to it. I'll see you. Yes No problem. I mean are you going are you going for a hit piece? Is that where you're no, I'm just gonna Yeah, I was gonna say you guys can do whatever you want. I'm gonna tomorrow Oh, well, it would be my today. This will be re-uploaded on mula and then probably the day after no I said thursday. I think I'll put up, um The stitched compilation of our relevant denims and Hassan because hopefully by then we'll have a good name And then I can be done So I'm gonna chat just said holy shit that pig is adorable. So they're they're catching up All these people agree with me in my perspective on these issues and yet they probably still thought that it was like, you know It looked bad for me He's a cavill's dumbass though. I can't even watch that's anyone's noise. Wait, what? No, he's not stupid at all What the fuck are you talking about? I love lovely He's a capitalist dumbass. I just love the Even a hint of like Ludwig has been a bad boy like the chat like all right that time to get he's like, whoa We like him. He's a friend stop Like don't be don't be horrible pieces of shit to the wrong people. Geez Yeah, fuck you I assume there's like clip chimping and shit going on I doubt that he ever fucking mentions that I apologize for it As soon as he found out that I didn't really appreciate his non transformative reaction stream where he played my content He apologized and made it clear that he wouldn't play any of my videos on screen when he watched the video Again Like I'm I'm I assume there's like clip chimping and shit going on I doubt that he ever fucking mentions that I apologize for it Uh and and agree with his perspective that like you shouldn't watch people who don't want to be watched They're correct. If they say if they're like, I don't want you to react to my videos Which is kind of a weird response to a comment in which I actively tell him I'm fine with him reacting to my content. It's not if you see this. I'm happy for you to react to my videos It doesn't it's uncharitable, but the takeaway was react harder and shout out more. Yeah, I mean that's like that's fucking stupid like I believe you random person uh It's you do get to the point where just like so this is hopeless Like your brain just doesn't work I already do and and I will continue to do so And the react harder thing is ridiculous like Not all from dark viper. I think jxc did a really great job with it to be honest, but yeah, that's something I don't think jxc did a good job. I haven't seen it. Oh, wow There you go in that fucking video, but there's zero percent chance of that person legitimately made themselves Zero percent Look charitable other than just as an opportunity to make it seem as though this was actually regular charitable criticism Especially considering that that person won Got mad about me watching their video a year ago. Okay a year ago guys A fucking year ago ridiculous amount of time 12 months at the time. I literally immediately apologized and agreed with them and then they tried to fucking Immediately come on my show. They were like let me out. Let me on let me on and so what happened was j sent you a tweet saying I'm willing to talk about it on stream if you want This has been described as let me on let me on let me on let me on a clown chaser You can see they got a little pet bay there with no free clout so I fucking hate this culture on twitch is cancer Awful the son pop talking about a video you didn't watch it doesn't matter I don't have to watch it to know that it's uncharitable. Okay, just Instantly to their instantly to who is this person? What have they said? He doesn't even think about it. Yeah. Well, look what they said. Oh my god You didn't watch it. Just take the L. Hassan stop talking about it. This person's correct But he's on his way out probably fan. His ass is not reacting LMA. Oh Exactly. This is the type of fucking idiot that comes in here as a consequence of this person fucking Yeah, what a fucking crazy request to make please stop talking about the thing that you didn't watch crazy crazy fucking comment still consistently fucking Uh, you know farming engagements like hate engagements. Okay It's really fucking gross. It's really disgusting gross. Yeah one Not only did I fucking apologize for it one year ago for a five minute video that I was one year ago guys I like how it's all three you didn't apologize specifically for the thing that jay was criticizing you for you went on a completely different point and then apologize It wasn't a year ago six months ago and wasn't five minutes was everything you just said It's the meme of a luke and fucking tlj. Everything you just said is wrong. It's all wrong Also the meme of carbon in south park every time he tells this story. It's just more lies And he believes it. I'm sure Hassan thinks this is true at this point. He said it so many times Probably thinks this is true Watched, okay. He'll believe his own lies. Yeah, um that he thought I wasn't actually watching him though I was like I was watching it. It's on my phone. Okay All right, then that is you didn't transform shit. You just watched it on your phone while cooking. What? Um He went and straight up Made an entire fucking video back then despite me apologizing for it You could even call it a sketch I'm saying I agree with him because I did not have him on my broadcast He wanted to come on the broadcast and I was like no at that point. I was like no shot the reason why The problem is it's so long ago. I kind of remember the chronology of this but um He's trying to sell it as though jay was always only ever invested in the views Why he figured out I watched his video to begin with as I'm sure if he hasn't Oh, oh, oh, oh, I love this part. So we've successfully hooked Baited and caught our relevant and denims on the point of jay's tweet about the bump Uh, we know is hooked Hassan before But get ready for it to hook him again I'm on the broadcast and I was like no at that point I was like no shot the reason why he figured out I watched his video to begin with as I'm sure if he hasn't deleted those tweets from way back when because I still remember it Okay, the reason why The reason why he even knew that I was watching it is because he posted his analytics He posted his metrics showing a major fucking bump in his view counts on that major bump So Hassan's memory is practically attacking He only remembers the image the line And he's even said if you didn't see that graph you would have never have known He's even said that jay's probably deleted them at this point because they wouldn't match the point. They are in the video That recently released they are in jay's video But you don't know that because you're so stupid I was so wrong on everything always. It's a superpower You said that there's he's he's caught himself on the hook. Let's I might believe that he's going to see the tweet. No, he's never gonna be no all three of them never learned And to be fair Hassan's not looking at it. The other two were and they still didn't fucking notice because this Oh, it's hard to be nice That's the right mauler. I'll say it because they're stupid That video most youtubers don't mind that actually love that shit When twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bum Because they get a fucking fat bum 207 this is not a thousand it's in ones It's it's unreal, but they only saw the image and so they were like, oh look at that skyrocket. It's one hour The previous and next hours weren't affected Yeah, do you know like They just have zero understanding of analytics spike in views technically meanwhile Meanwhile, you've gained the utility of 30 000 people watching a video that you didn't make He just gets to get away with all well He doesn't get to get away with it in the sense that everyone in chat and us get to see that This is all fucking horseshit and jay's audience are probably more than aware of it But you know Hassan's audience for the most part have no clue Posted it on his fucking twitter. It was like, I wonder who's watching this now And then found out that it was me turned around and got very upset because I wasn't reacting hard enough Okay, and then turned around And and made a video a year ago It's so upset as well because jay knew that it's twitch streamer had seen it And I could be wrong on this, but if I remember correctly jay was like Excited to check out who'd reacted to it And then was like, oh They just left Wow, they've just stolen my video and it's like yep, that happens I remember being fucking shocked when I was linked to it Charitable And this happened Then he multiple throughout the multiple times throughout the past year despite the fact that I already apologized for it And agreed with him and said i'm never gonna watch his videos ever again Okay Because I did not have him on my broadcast immediately Okay, because I did not have him on my broadcast immediately I wish I had a clip of this, but i'm pretty sure it's as simple as someone in his chat says jay's willing to come on And then he just goes no no Like oh Then invited nazis to hang out with him He literally fucking made multiple videos went on podcasts with like actual fucking nazis and sargon bachad Actual nazis just not those fake nazis the real ones nazis who are just Moderates I get I don't even know actual nazis real ones the hitler types Yeah, it's like how many times can we clarify that all of this is false Jay didn't jump on the stream jays never met sargon We're not nazis. There was no nazi kill stream related to hasan's coverage of react streamers. It's like what else is this all bullshit? Eight hour long reactions to my fucking stream, which I don't even have a problem with go ahead Have fun They made multiple eight hour long fucking podcasts with a bunch of fucking nazis and stop saying it over and over and over and over and over again Shit like that. So that's ridiculous and it's been an entire year and he's still making fucking videos about me I think someone in the chat will like tomorrow be like by the way jay made another stream with the kill stream nazis about you I hope so and then hasan will be like figures How many is that now like 17 and someone in child will be like no 26 and he'd be like fuck me, man 26 streams Someone in chat makes a good point. He said nazis and sargon So I guess so he thinks that they're well, of course sargon is obviously not a nazi But we're rational, but I think he is right, but he thinks he does he isn't they're different Yeah, I mean if he's taking the time to separate hasan, uh, sorry sargon and nazis, then yeah hasan doesn't think we're worse I guess the implication is that we're the worst worse than sargon I was I feel bad about this. I was like just curious if you guys tried to get him on ifap to talk to him It's like good god, you know what? I haven't but there's so just zero percent chats of him ever coming out of ifap that I have Well, wait a minute. Don't say zero percent. Okay. We can resize hasan for you hasan you're welcome to come on ifap if you want to talk about any of this um It feels funny to say because i'm just like there's no fucking way I assume someone from from your chat is going to go into hasan's chat tomorrow and say Hey, did you know jay stream with nazis for another eight hours? The nazis said they'd happily have you on to discuss the topic and he's like why would I want to discuss this with nazis? Watching a video of his one year ago. So what do you expect me to find a charitable in that situation? That's fucking this invented scenario reality of yours. Yes He's not even gonna remember where he got the nazis call it from we saw where he got it from but he won't remember Why do you think we're nazis? I saw someone in chat say it I also saw someone in chat say sargon was on it with jay. Yeah, that's where he got all his shit from Yeah, that's where he got it. I wonder if he will remember that if we were to ask him hypothetically What what do you think we're nazis platform, you know, man, that's super responsible use of the platform Oh, yeah, who gives a fuck what was that sitting there? He doesn't care about us Fucking crazy Okay, so I blocked them and I wanted to move on but he's fucking weird old fan base still is getting in here And still trying to get me to fucking also weird too. It's not like they could have any legitimate criticisms This is like actually one of the most infuriating frustrating things. I think I've ever seen on this show Like this is insane. I cannot believe that somebody can have such a large audience yet just spout so much stupid false shit Lie lie smugly and confidently And then we see the montage of like all of the times that he's been incredibly like fucking cruel to people in His own chat just banning people because they give him light criticism Meanwhile turns around and talks about how he runs towards the criticism and what an awesome guy and how receptive he is Look at how much I've told you I apologize for this thing that I did that I about a year ago That was five minutes even though it was 15 minutes and it was less than a year ago And it doesn't even matter and you didn't even address the criticism that jay levy towards you And he didn't even watch the video and despite not watching the video you say that the video sucks And it is clearly uncharitable based on this fictitious reality that you've invented on like two things that you saw in chat Get out of here. Come on insane I can't believe that you would be like one of the largest twitch streamers in the political space It's wild. I can't believe how successful he is how he's so shit And just people throw you you read the chat scrolling by and it's just so depressing Like these are people there's human being behind these keyboards typing these things Like jay provided such an airtight. He's right. He was just completely right and not only was he right But he was right in a funny way and right in an invent an incredibly charitable way And look at how that was like how that effort was rewarded I can't believe that That he did everything right and he's still got massively penalized This isn't an ironically absurd scenario that we find ourselves in this is bizarre like it should never this should never have been possible Whoever wrote whoever wrote the script for earth it should be fired Characters like this can't be this inconsistent and terrible and what do you mean? This is a great job. I guess he is the villain So yeah, it's funny. I could see myself saying if like if it was a Hassan in an earth tv show He was this popular and we saw them do this I'd be like I don't see how he would be one of the most popular streams if he was doing shit like that Like I feel like that would be a criticism I'd make You're right. Like this is such contrived nonsense. No one would actually like this fucking asshole And yet React to it when the original point is that he doesn't want me to react to his video So why would I do that? That was the original point Turn someone into a nazi because you didn't react hard enough lemma fail I don't think that person is actually a fucking nazi or whatever Yeah, jay isn't a nazi all of us are Get it right come on. Yeah, but I do think uh because Uh, you know the thing because that person does not have a problem You know hanging out with nazis as long as those nazis are fucking shitting on me I like I like who he's completely unaware of the history that like jay is a friend We like Oh, well, no, but it's just that obviously in his mind He's presumed that it's like oh well there's this podcast off on the side and because they're interests aligned in terms of criticizing Hassan specifically Oh, well, look he jumped on it's like it's because you don't know anything you know nothing But yet you're so confidently going around saying all of these things But you have no idea you don't know anything I can't and and I guess it's really frustrating as well to think that there's like 30 000 people watching And like even even in the face of that there's still so little in terms in terms of trying to correct him In fact, like people actively you know look up and like lull react harder omega lull whole 11 months. See ya, buddy Thanks for the patronage. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the mansion. Fuck off. Yeah, your parents hate you And then someone's like, hey, wow, that's a little bit harsh. See you too The struggle of the proletariat against the capitalist bourgeois Keep hating your life working class Andy. You work in retail. You hate your life. Oh wait. No, I don't go out and eat Oh and eat some grass in between like 10 second 15 second pauses Come believe it on my face and expect me to say thank you. I can't believe it's raining Okay, you're pissing on my face and and asking me to say it's fucking raining and I should be happy about it Man eloquently stated Oh eloquent judge duty would be proud. He was trying so hard to say the thing You knew the words you knew the general concept, but we we just Ah, it's it's the one legged. It's the one legged spider machine dragging itself through the desert every time Like if someone in clunking has made This much content out of one fucking infraction that is literally not so you continue to make Additional infractions when you keep lying about all the different elements And then you say the jay Is only recently that anybody would have realized jay isn't a nazi from your point of view when someone asked like That's how bad this has gotten If someone goes to jay's channel and starts watching his videos and they're like wait This isn't a nazi I've been lied to and then they go to my channel and they're like, oh He didn't like black panther. Okay. It's nazi. Yeah. Oh, okay. He didn't like that. Oh saved Not only minor but something that I already agreed with And yeah, how can you say this 10 billion times over? It's insane and still be mad Apologize for one fucking year ago I'm sorry I'm not gonna fucking assume that this is like a reasonable person I'm not gonna assume that this is a reasonable criticism What if charlie told you that directly that it was how many people would it take? How many people would it take? I think you just keep saying no until someone with enough clout, you know above it We need like fucking aoc to come on his stream and tell him It's jay's good faith and then you'd be like I'm going to assume perhaps correctly that this person is farming negative hatred correctly I like how you even acknowledge that like you don't even know whether or not this is correct But you just decided to do it anyway because you're too lazy to watch the video So that they can you know pick up on all of the people that fucking already despise me on the internet There's plenty of them They actually seem to want you to react to their video based on what they were saying some shit about you not engaging with the arguments Of course, I'm not gonna why would I give them what they want? Why would I engage in a discussion? Why oh fuck you pivot off from engage with the arguments to why would I give them what they want to engage with their Arguments why yeah, why would I engage with their arguments? It's not like I'm a show them And that's my job But nevertheless, it's all about that clout man So if jay's clout chasing involves listening to arguments, then you can't do that That's giving jay what it wants. So you can't can't be doing that if jay ever wanted. I don't know oxygen Can't be doing that Given into jay's arguments or something. I don't know He just argued himself out of addressing any arguments that he thinks he's like in the clear Because they want me to engage with their arguments because it's gonna fucking give them more clout That's the point There's nothing to be done at this point then if you've decided that the the search for clout involves The desire for you to listen to an argument Then it is functionally no different than anyone doing anything My favorite part is how it's unfalsifiable because even if jay said that's not my intention You just be like no it is though Unfalsifiable and no different than any other approach that it desires to have you address an argument What even if he is searching for clout? Who cares? I mean well, that's so that's a big fundamental one that We don't have to address because we're all certain that jay's motivation isn't that but let's pretend it were Jay's still correct on this one Yeah, jay's made good points, then you have to grapple with the points But it's a lot easier to not grapple with the points by just Basically slandering jay. Yeah, it is easy to call people nazis ain't Because which completely destroys the original and diminishes the original fucking take I already engaged with anything actually jay's desire for hasan to address the arguments and react to videos destroys jay's initial argument of not wanting hasan to react and it's like That never happened that was never. Yeah, exactly. That was made that up For the number one article again to reiterate the point jay said Give credit or transform it That's it. It's a really chill request and then he gets mad when the chat like repeats that and he's like I already do that idiot Then he goes except for that one time where I didn't Except for that one time and that was the person who's actually taking issue with me Yep, crazy Do you think because because he has he has spoken at length about this cycle of how jay won't let it go Do you think hasan's brain? Be it fanta fantastically or otherwise, right? Do you think he understands the connection between him throwing out accusations of people being nazi? And people responding to him that that's like in keeping this going. Do you think that he Can understand that he perpetuates this cycle? I think hasan I think he wants he wants the best of both worlds He wants people to leave him alone But he also wants to be perceived as correct and have the last word On the subject, but the problem is every time that you have the new word Yeah, of course people are going to disagree with you. They think you're wrong. So like you can never get what you want Your only option is either to persist with the argument until you convince people broadly that you're correct Or to just abandon it and move on Basically take the the loss and just try and move on as best you can But he wants both he wants to be perceived as correct and left alone So he can't he can't help but keep Just that's why it feels like every time that he's giving all of these defenses of like Well, no, look at all these other creators who like it These are all just like arguments that are irrelevant, but he feels proper mob like no, I don't do this I'm actually not bad. I'm good people like what I do I do transform people say that I pause All of these relevant points that have nothing to do with the fact that in this instance You didn't transform you were absent for a good portion of the video You didn't give any credit and you didn't even apologize for the thing that jay was like Leading criticism about And then you're surprised that like people are still mad at you when you persistently Keep like repeating these false points one year ago five minute video kill stream like fucking hell You bring this all functioning correctly No, someone in the discord said Hasan could lose the game of tic-tac-toe if you gave him the first four moves Yeah, it's like the connect four one. That was a wasn't that a oh, yeah, that was it's the same joke structure as they are You know connect four, which was so denim would lose connect four. I guess the son would lose tic-tac-toe What's our relevant losing Maybe he just loses chess. This is marbles is his battleship his pool Marbles, I mean the number one fucking criticism which was The the number one criticism which was Don't react to my videos and I said yes The number one criticism was transform or credit It's where I mean that it's like the sentence structure constantly is shit as well The number one criticism is don't react to my videos. That doesn't even like that's not a criticism Yeah, that's not a thing like it's just a command a demand The english language deserves better I don't know Sorry, can we kick him out? Seems like crediting is giving clout so Oh, well, yeah, but you'll find that he's more than okay with giving clout to people that he likes or promote him. Yeah Exactly because they're good people and they're good faith people Tartar that's ridiculous, but I will just not react to your shit ever again I like how you think that that's some sort of Magnanimous thing. Yeah, I'll never react to you again Kind of spoken in that tone as well. Yeah with that implication Exactly, it's crazy. I was doing a favor, but hey, you didn't appreciate it Yeah, I mean you're the only one who loses here. I got plenty of youtube to steal I'll never run through it. They make it faster than I can steal it. I'm set for life And as uh gliders just said, I think it's also a punishment in his eyes Like yeah, he's he's if anything is annoyed that you have spoken up. So he's like time to punish your bitch You don't get my reactions anymore Is he it's actually fucking crazy that there are still people who are and I've already given so much fucking More attention to this than I should And no, I don't think like I don't even need to fucking see the I don't even need to see I know you I know that you are desperate Desperate to ensure that you never have to watch that video. Yeah, but just video. Please stop Yo to to assume that the video is like good faith. He's correct. He doesn't have to do anything to assume stuff It just makes him an asshole. That's all that's what assuming is There's a good You're gonna have to go with ass. You can't do us for that one Um Assume doesn't work as well if you say ah, you gotta say ah Arse arseume. That's what you say over in your neck of the woods. You say arse I say both arse arse arse Pirates we love that arse Pirates probably did like us. Yeah If you do, it's it. I've seen so many other Uh, I the so many other things That this person has done That leads me to believe that they are not being You saw if you asked him to site and just it'd be a bunch of shitty made up Well in any way shape or form Good faith in their criticism. How convenient is that that of everything you've seen Which is nothing except for two things that people said in chat That you can assume that somebody is entirely bad faith and therefore the video is probably bad faith and therefore You don't need to address any of it even though critical and still Described content video that you haven't seen The person you've literally covered and said is a good person and a friend of yours critical has vouched for the video Seeing the video and there's vouching for it. Yeah. No, he's too charitable to this video. I haven't seen Good faith. That's whatever I say when Mahler or Fringy or someone's like, hey rags. The show is really good I think you'd like it. I say fuck off Like you can't have trusted how dare you side with the show You're capitulating The way that they're seeming good faith they're seemingly behaving in a good faith capacity Is specifically so dummies like you Ah, there it is jays only come across as good faith to convince people that jays acting in good faith very clever You definitely can't win at this point. There is no victory You can't win. You cannot win if you do something good if it's because you're only using it so that you could tactically Get some advantage out of it some underhanded sly weasley turnabout on it It's been rationalized that the only response jay could have and be a good Morally upstanding person is to not respond. How very convenient. Yeah, interesting It just I love it though. It's just like that's the last thing that jay has is objectively speaking has been civil And good faith in terms of like approaching everything and then decide it's like, yeah Just what do you want you to think You look wait what? So it's just over then there's nothing We'll turn around and think oh this person is just making good faith criticisms See, this is what I mean like man, this sucks. You're being super close minded about this and making it seem way more unreasonable than it is No, dude, you don't want to see it as an unreasonable thing. Okay. That's what it is That's what it is. That's what it is How long's this guy been around? Let me uh account. He's following 6 november 2021 So it's only a few months and yeah I can't believe that that's where we're at. It's like, oh, he's only been supporting you for a few months That's hot. That was like a year ago No, it might even protect him from being bad, but I'm assuming not because it was about to happen I'm not talking about react harder. I'm not talking about like why haven't you fucking addressed That uh, you shouldn't watch people's content without consent. Why haven't you addressed that? Uh, whatever Like you're doing this. You're doing this right now. You are the reason why it's like impossible for me to ever Because the first thing that he posted on this day was um, Shouldn't you respond to jay's arguments he made in this video that isn't just saying react harder? That's pretty I like how he has to pull up the log to see oh, what other dumb stuff you've said That's the first thing he said is incredibly reasonable. No, can you watch it first? Maybe how do they send me reasonable people find themselves on a Hassan stream? Did they get lost or like look? I don't I don't mean to correct you But this person is desperately looking for the next episode of leftovers, which is the Hassan h3 show Oh What? So maybe they are a lost cause Hey, you know what maybe that show is great. Maybe it's just It's fantastic the wonderful insides of Hassan and even from h3h3 They are such brilliant minds of political minds of our generation. Yes Fucking uh, like to ever respond to something Uh, normally dude You fucking weirdo. How do you not understand random guy? You you don't know anything other than they said, hey, could you like watch it and then respond to please it wasn't that But it wasn't bad faith. You're like, oh, yeah, you weirdo Lose you're with him. You're turning him against me Yeah You let him hear Literally random guy if someone has made videos about you over the course of the past fucking year But that's a great way to Just broaden that though He's allergic to using literally correctly. Oh, yeah He um, if just if someone made two videos about you in six months that you say they are making Many several different all of the videos about me over a year It's like, yeah, you made that sound as deranged from what it was as you could You can see why they made videos on you It would be really cool If um, if you just as the video progressed that it was over a year and then two years and then five years and then 10 years until he got to like a hundred years Wait what? For a thing that you're apologized for then that person is not being serious and sincere Ah Okay, I want you to fucking understand dude. I want you to understand I want you to fucking respond to me Making it seem way more unreasonable than it is. It hurts the house see arguments You make about other things because you are literally making assumptions of calling bad faith with no engagement just weak bro Instead of banning you i'm putting you on the fucking spot I get that dude, but it isn't an apology. He's after Yeah, I know what he's after dumbass He's after me reacted to his video just like he wanted to come on the stream See the idiot. You don't realize jay's just getting them views. He's just view farming man that clout clout goblin I know that already. Okay. I know that He just wants clout. That's what he's after and you're giving it for him. I'm moving. I'm banning and I'm giving it for him Amazing. I've already given you got the number. We're giving it for him giving him to him not for him wrong wrong number Right when he's tired. It's been more like five hours for him six hours now He's he's said 30 minutes worth of words over an eight hour period. We need to we do need to relax And uh, yeah, that person's gone I've been so much. I've already given so much. He was attention. That's it Isn't that bad is mostly just react harder jay also said he didn't think you shouldn't watch the video just that I know he doesn't think I don't I shouldn't watch the video. He wants me to watch the video I'm not giving it into him. I'm not giving into that demand because it's how can you simultaneously make both arguments Because he's dumb. I have agreed that jay is correct and I agree that I shouldn't watch the video However, jay wants me to watch the videos because jay is a clout farmer Weird to hold those two positions, but let's see how it plays out. It's been great so far Farming you're not a content creator. So you don't understand how this works. Oh this argument. Yeah, I am I feel like since he hooked you once he owns the incident the only way he'd let That go that year ago incident is if you gave him a new incident to make more content on The only way to win is not to play exactly Oh, there you go. That's it. So I don't want to play. I don't want to play anymore So he's fucking weirdo fans need to shut the fuck up and leave. Okay. Yeah, don't watch Oh, this is the uh, the interesting thing I just added because it was a policy. They hate youtube Whoever linked this nose wait really Nerd city hates me why? I've watched some of their videos. They're fucking really good. They hate me. Are you sure? uh-oh Okay, I won't it's so interesting how he indicates his claim immediately. He needs to find out He has to know he instantly engages into detective hassan mode Because it's such it guy told hassan is it's all about hassan It's all about hassan. Yeah Oh, I didn't realize why he was checking twitter. He's checking to see if nerd city Yeah, yeah, he doesn't follow him So now I can see that someone has said but there at hassan avi. What about the 700,000 views on your vods? That's much more eyes than 30k. I'm not even sure what point that's supporting, but it's just interesting to think about, isn't it? He likes veritasium. I saw a video with him complimenting veritasium Well, so you could say if veritasium doesn't like me probably freak out about that too This is the thing. He got you know, just put just putting it out there He got so paranoid so quickly that he was about to support or at least Passively approve of a channel that might not like him based on one random chaser. Me. Are you sure? Instantly, yeah Okay, I won't watch the video then Fuck me. Jesus Christ. Holy shit Nobody go into hasan's chat and tell him that youtubers. He likes don't like him. Yeah He'd like a meme of veritasium, but that's like a quote saying hasan is the biggest dipshit on the internet Veritasium Yeah, so we're not actually at the end, but I just this is kind of the end I just like this is the the best three quotes from the three of them. I think at least it was my choices YouTube content is there when I ain't got nothing else left to talk about dude. Let's be straight out of business What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know The need to humiliate people sometimes you need to make an example out of them Seems like there is a little more to this video. So what's going on? Oh Even clip channels are being annoying and commenting in the description on how you're wrong Why are they clipping me then? Like if my own fucking clip channels are clipping all of my videos to make money Why are you fucking clipping wrong information then? If that's the case and then fuck you dude, don't make me dmca your bitch ass is I will destroy the house on eclipsed industrial complex I have I will make what russia is doing to ukraine look like little kisses to the hasanabi eclipsed industrial complex Do you understand me? What? No Motherfuckers are literally posting my youtube videos From my fucking twitch Stealing this shit because I allow them to so they can make money off of it Just to make me look fucking bad or shit on me. What the fuck is this? That is an insane density of just incredibly telling It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. But I saw that quote. I was like no way I like to steal but they're making me look bad Like oh my god We had an we had an unspoken arrangement He instantly knows it's stealing. Yeah, it's happening to him When it's happening to him. Yeah. Yes. I can't that is I I can't Some person told me this youtuber doesn't like me so fuck him and when it's about me, it's gotta be about stealing and It's a it it it's the mind of a child It's the mind of a child Additional flame crumbs I mean that's true, but I would go so far as to say that I am way more fucking manageable In comparison to like 99 percent of content creators 99 Which everyone will laugh at and say that's wrong Because you've only fucking seen clips of me yelling at a chatter But I routinely admit my mistakes. I routinely say that I was wrong. I apologize when I'm wrong And all the people that are now memeing and saying co-op is funny and I'm not gonna ban any of you even though I should But In my mind know that the only people I fucking lose my shit on are motherfuckers who make like entire careers out of like literally Oh Yeah, literally fucking going the apeshit buck while cutting as many videos as possible any time there's even a One person who said hey, I don't think you did a great job on arguing these trans issues Were they somebody who's made multiple videos criticizing you, huh? They made multiple letters in his comment section. That's basically the worst I just wanted just just to make sure that everyone understands the comment He responded to there was no content creator takes criticism. Well, and he says well, I do Like yeah, I that is hilarious. You're fucking kidding me. Like nobody responds well to criticism Well in my defense, I think I'm pretty good at responding to criticism And then when his shackles him out He's like I should ban all you It's like performance art. I'm gonna taking criticism. Those of you criticizing me. I should ban you, but I won't Maybe that's maybe we're wrong here Maybe Hassan is some like Andy Kaufman esk hero who's in a long con So I happened the other day to be looking at the comments of the multimedia medley we did last time And I saw this comment rags Would you care to read this comment that was made four months ago regarding jay and let's just Just give it a feel as to whether or not it's relevant today. All right. Let's take a look here. This rogue fox. All right Jay respectful Jay respectfully tries to argue the mistakes of the snider cut and the faults of the director He's detractors. This kid has chosen the wrong side. He needs to be punched in the face The life of jay is one of pain and tragedy Wow, that is Oh, rogue fox. You're out there somewhere Welcome to welcome to now welcome to this mad man life is suffering. Well, yeah, so The tldr jay was wronged he responded about as well as possible and got dragged Through the dirt for it And we just went through the whole saga of that. It was uh, yeah, it was insane All I've got left now is just something funny that I caught because I was I watched a little bit of chud logic I was gonna do this while he was here, but now I think it's actually funny that while he's not here So let me just get the the timestamp, right? It's like right the end of one of his newest fobs last video. I know some yeah One two two two six. Okay Basically like going one sick Uh-oh Oh, yeah, this is the Noah sampson drama It's really not relevant to any of what the topic is just uh, just check this out My life these days and last thing I am aware of all the criticisms from my last video. I know some yeah, listen I'm not a leftist. I'm not one of your fucking lefty soy fucking leftoid pricks. I'm not one of those people. Okay I'm not I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit by being part of your fucking in group. Okay I've seen the things you do. I've seen the way you act and I fucking despise you Okay, I don't want anything to do with you. I want you to just fuck off to be honest, okay My chat would be um, immeasurably improved if all the left always just fucked off and watched some other soy cunt. Okay I'm not interested in having you as part of my audience. Okay, and if I've got to be more racist If I've got to be more bigoted Stupid stunts to piss you off so that you fuck off I'll keep doing them and I'll keep doing them and I'll keep doing them Because all you do is fucking annoy me with your stupid comments in chat. You're fucking pathetic You're pacifying the internet and I'm fucking sick of it. Go and watch someone else. Fuck you Well, I guess Great very good. Yeah, that was the guy who was on today. That's an epic rant. Link in description. He's quite a little entertaining lad nice Weasley smelling a little liar I just love the power. He says I've seen what you do. I don't want to be a part of your group Like And with that is that is that the conclusion of this painful arc? Already? Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it quick. Did you link it? Oh man, did you want to show the thing? I'm or are we gonna show it on our stream? Our what let's drop it tomorrow morning. Okay You tell me all about it or is it gonna be a secret? Oh god I'll just Secret yeah, okay. We have it. We have a secret Hasan thing. Oh, yeah, I'll find very enjoyable Yeah, hopefully his son finds it. Um, hopefully I suppose I mean, I have a What I collect epic rants on my secret channel. I have like a nicro kater rant that's fucking epic I have a destiny ramp Rant that's pretty epic Um, I I think considering everything this is this is this feels about right to bring up Uh, okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna just I'll just just segue into it through saying Jay has been having a lot of fun time getting shadowed by everybody unfairly And I think this has been Probably a form of support doing these uh these little streams because we like Jay a lot Over here on the uh fappens And what's really neat if you didn't know oh boy is Jay's actually launched a little plushy And if you want to Help Jay out in any way shape or form and you have some spare loonies This is uh, this is it. You got a little I think that's the the the time code for the doctor who video right there Um, which pisses a lot of the doctor who found them off from what I gather And Jay's got a little ride though, which looks pretty cute. Um I'm definitely gonna be picking up one of these obviously I I ain't forcing anybody to do anything, but it would be really cool if we could at least get it funded Uh Jay is 35 along the way We still got 19 days to go So, um, I mean if you want to put a little plushy next to your rags and mohler Or you're stitching at them because I know that you guys did plushes at one point, right? Round out the app and friends of e-fap collectible Um, schmorgasbord. Yeah Um, I think as well If you don't get uh, Jay plushy, then who will rags and mohler plush who will who will they punch and kick Someone's got to be kicked Yeah, they won't have anyone to pull the accuse of bad face Oh god, imagine how sound plushy just like fucking shoots itself in the head when you buy it God, it's so stupid. Um, it just says racial slurs when you pull the string in the bag Well, if it pulls a string it'd be like keep hating your life then working class andy and basically all the destiny don't know 22 months band Yeah, you can know him obviously I'd also recommend. Yeah, because while we were streaming, uh, jays managed to get the um, the lego video out The first version got pooped on by uh copyright Actually, it's interesting because uh, you guys would have seen A whole refresh of all the visuals from that when I was fucking doing super chat catch up And so you get to do like a full review on it That's as in the title says a serious critique of jays hunting down The lego games the classic ones, which is kind of funny Because right now I only see them as kind of Kind of cool and awesome compared to the new one which I will go into next week Don't worry about that. In fact, people who are wondering when I'll stream that next. It'll probably be monday or sunday I'm not actually sure yet. I'm not sure what's going on in my life anymore. Everything's blue, but Yeah, I would recommend checking that video out as well as as I said support in jay With a little bit of a plush purchase I shall pop the link Into the top of the description and you know, I just think it's a really neat way to support creators, especially One is as pure as jay Who will probably come on next week to talk about lego star wars and then we will likely talk about moon night Who knows what else may pop up in the world of the multimedia medley. I've collected a whole bunch of stuff um So, yeah, that pretty much does it for for the cue velhage Um, so I suppose next up will just be uh, good old stitch and adam adam stitch. What are you guys doing? What are you up to and where can people find you? What are we doing tomorrow? I'm not sure I almost started asking in the chat. Hey, what should we cover but I don't we have some choices. We have there's a philosophy tube video. There's a demon mama video Okay, there's a we could do that matrix video This is like officially your job now. I know listen. I had to prepare for this stream. Okay. I didn't have time Now we're both on here. I did so much prep work for this today For this stream. Did you really know I did zero? I was gonna say why what how? Right, but we'll figure it out. We'll watch some horrible day off. What do you think? No, no, no Fuck that. No, no, no Now, we'll watch one of those three anywhere. I just work on something different, but Uh, you can catch us out check us out at the stitch and adam The same of the uh, you know, such an adam stitch and adam show. Yeah You got some really great videos. They're up in the morrow. We're tired. I know we're nearly at nine hours It's been a long boy. Um, I very much appreciate you both Hanging out for as long as you did. Um stitch obviously a lot longer because he's he's a better person. Um, but that is true. Thank you Adam tried I stayed probably in though, but I mean you did Why can't we why can't we throw a short pad of taco and Shud logic under the bus because they came on for the first Second half people are just stanky, you know first off people. I think technically I I think technically I stayed on longer though. I think I think I did more time. I'll say you did I'll say you did. Yeah, we can weigh more than you did. Okay Shored fatted taco. He was like in and out. He was in and out in an hour. I know you're for like He came in at what three I've been here like for the sake of his girlfriend too disgusting. I know we're supposed to be in cells. Didn't you hear that? Uh, well, I'm not in so I'm technically married. So I mean, oh, okay Well, he can still be involuntarily celibate, but also married and he can still I know I feel I feel horrible for those people. I'm thankfully not one of them. So Those uh, you're not Scott Adams. Someone asked if I'll push this available. They are not But eventually they may perhaps be willed maybe if Uh, obviously super chats. Yeah, we're not gonna be able to do them today's ones today. They will be all done on wednesday Um, but because yeah, we're definitely capping out. We try to we're trying not to go to the uh The actual youtube cap these days. We're trying to go for a more reasonable cap of just nine ish hours Definitely being a I think it's seven Yes, I think you guys should adopt this planes everybody complains. They they always will complain But I mean I just decided it's not a healthy idea To keep doing it. That's true Oh true. Yeah, so but yes, we we will definitely get to all of them on the wednesday. Um And yeah, of course, thanks to chud logic short fat otaku adam and sish for keeping this all company This has been a fucking horrifying arc looking into the state of twitch We have learned nothing but bad things Um about the platform, but obviously there are plenty of fucking streamers who actually give a shit on there And I wouldn't want it to deter anybody from exploring twitch because there's still plenty of good shit You can find there, but holy fuck. They need to fix this problem Um, and they need to stop encouraging everybody to defend the crap out of all of it. It's so stupid Stop makes you look really dumb and you get loads of clips made of you and supercuts by mubly Go on that No, um Free rags woods or anything else you guys wanted to say No We've been no you can jabber john on for nine hours through Fuck so like I said, I'm tired. This will come re-upload tomorrow and then I'll put out the uh I want to see some good top comment ideas for the name of of the supercut of the trilogy And I'll I'll time stamp them so that they separate into their sections and It'll forever be a Source for you guys to mine clips out of if you really want to familiar the stuff you saw But uh, you know, I think some of it might be confusing without my commentary because it wasn't like perfectly edited or anything Like some stuff is confusing. Um, but hopefully because it's just like a resource at this point, I suppose um Forever to encourage react streamers to be less shit um On that note, thank you all so much for your donations for hanging out with us For giving in your thoughts and all that all the way and for just yeah for just for being there for Thank you so much. We don't think of you as whims who had nothing to society that we want dead or whatever um And yeah, good night everybody and goodbye Yeah, have a good one everyone. I hope that I hope we've learned a lot today Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye