 عوف بالله من الشيطان العين الرجيم بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم والصلاة والسلام على أشرف الأنبياء والمرسلين السيدنا ونبينا أبل قاسمي محمد الأمين وألأ أهل بيته الطيبين الطاهرين المأسومين المبنومين واللعنة الله ألأ أدائهم أجمعين من الآن إلى قيامي يوم الدين أمين يا رب العالمين أهل العالمين المبنومين مرحبا بكم إلى هذا your show from the holy city of Karbala نحن مرحبا بكم إلى بيسيكس هذا show in which are your hosts يحيسي مردسكس some of you of course see more apparent differences between us and others and Insha'Allah تعالى هؤلاء these discussions about these heavy and crucial differences are done in a way which is not only respectful of ourselves but also respectful of those who believe in alternative views and views which we consider to be either deviated or deficient of the truth of course one thing we'd all like to highlight is that human beings are in a constant search for truth Insha'Allah تعالى and we have to respect anyone that's open minded enough to speak about the things that they believe anyone that does hold religious beliefs holds them very passionately and it's always great to be able to respect one another and that is of course why we've attempted to always throughout this discussion throughout this show demonstrate a lack of awareness in regards to what others present as their own beliefs and more importantly discuss the implications of those beliefs dear viewers we have of course rounded off our long exploration of the worldview that could be described as atheism now of course i did discuss numerous times why we described atheism as a worldview as opposed to merely the lack of a belief in a particular deity and for those of you that wish to return to those episodes you can but of course now that we have moved away from atheism let us come back to a topic much lighter for tonight in order that we might get to the substance of the continuation of atheism in the next few nights Insha'Allah تعالى we are of course broadcasting live from the holy city of كربلة and so as we would say in arabic لا بأس there is no problem in us taking from some of a wisdom of إمام الهسين in describing the situation of human beings and this is a topic which is very closely and intimately related intimately and intrinsically related to the topic that shall be guiding us for possibly the next night or two Insha'Allah تعالى when it comes to the solution to the problem that the worldview of atheism fills we need to find an adequate solution and of course i have stated that one of the main responses that would be given to you by an atheist is to say well it could be any god it doesn't need to be your god and therefore you haven't won the discussion of course it's a great appeal and it's generally the approach of those who like to be argumentative to suggest that just because they haven't just because they've proven you wrong that their beliefs now become right now of course the problem with this is that we are discussing two opposing worldviews there's no third worldview in the conversation and if a discussion is genuinely occurring between an atheist and a muslim or an atheist and a christian then what you expect to be compared are atheism and christianity likewise if the conversation is occurring between a 12 rashi'a and a sunni then what you expect is a conversation between 12 rashi'ism and sunni'ism furthermore if the conversation occurring is a conversation between a salafi and a 12 rashi'a then you would likewise expect a conversation between a salafi and a 12 rashi'a so those who make an appeal to a worldview that is not actually their own worldview in a conversation in order to win the conversation are merely those who have no luck to stand on and what i mean by that is there are people who discuss in order to affect doubt and they want to affect this doubt not because they're sincere in bringing you to that which they believe is true namely their own belief system but rather very sincere in trying to make you doubt what you believe for no other reason than trying to make you doubt what you believe and win an argument against your belief system and of course this is not a very sincere way to go about things we need to be sincere in stating that by taking a position in any particular issue you have essentially become part of a conversation and there's no point in hiding behind a fence and throwing dare i say stones and bricks and even grenades at the fortress of your opponent when you're not willing to even show your own position and discuss what your fortress is and that's a massive problem we encounter with the atheist so one of the main common responses we would get is i could believe in four and now the problem of objective morality intelligent design and so on and so forth are answered of course the slightly more academic atheist will never will never say that they believe in Thor they'll never invoke another one of the ancient demigods which were believed in by the ancient pantheons of the world religions rather what they would say is that's fine but it doesn't prove by any means shape or form the deity or the god that you espouse as the Abrahamic god what they might offer as a relatively viable alternative is the god of deism and the god of deism is a very attractive belief why because in enlightenment europe and post enlightenment europe and even pre enlightenment europe but rather in the europe which emerged after the dark ages but particularly during the time of the renaissance the renaissance of course for those of you who do not know what it is you may refer to google and you may refer to wikipedia but insha'Allah you can refer to something slightly more academic and objective because those are not the best sources for anything but nonetheless they'll give you a very key and clear understanding of what they are to a very general level insha'Allah for those who emerged after the dark ages in particularly during the renaissance one of the earliest places that an atheist or a free thinker could hide was not to outright doubt in god's existence but rather to hide behind the guys of i'm a deist or they could be what we called a pantheist and of course these two terms were quite synonymous in history of european thought what i mean by these two terms i'll define them quite clearly is a deist is someone that believes that there is a god who created the universe but that this god does not reward or punish he's essentially indifferent to us and we're indifferent to that god what i mean by that is he's the god who created but essentially after that creation has absolutely zero role and we have absolutely zero obligation to that god so it allows for the existence of a god but then the lack of the need to follow a religion and a pantheist is someone that believes that the concept of the universe and gods are ontologically inseparable and of course unfortunately there are pan and theists who exist within the ranks of the muslim fold and insha'Allah to Allah will get to them as well in discussing whether or not there are beliefs or a sustainable worldview either but now is not their time for now we're just discussing pantheists and deists pantheists of course claim that the universe is inseparable from god so essentially the entire cosmos is god and what this leads to is a form of what we call monism where they believe that everything is has this oneness this unity in existence now the reason this was a popular hiding place for the atheist in post dark age enlightenment europe was because you could continue to be someone who didn't have the out right blasphemy to declare there was no god and so you wouldn't be put to death or burnt at a stake or essentially chastised and driven out and banished from society for society held much stricter views back then rather you could hide in the rabbit hole of claiming that i do believe in a god but what i mean by that is he's inseparable from the natural world and so what you'd find is these individuals who are pantheists these individuals who are deists it's an extra word they've added to a can but in reality that can is no different from the can of naturalism although now they have a creator to add to that can now of course one of the things that we find in the words of the great Imam may my life be ransomed for his who sacrifice his soul and the souls of that brave caravan in order to sacrifice everything for islam and to sacrifice for the revival and preservation of الله as a وجل's religion إمام الحسين the son of إمام علي the son of عبو طالب may the peace and blessings of Allah beyond all three of those individuals is that he addresses the muslims in his words of wisdom and he states what he states about الله as a وجل and about human beings the following the best of the obligations or the best of deeds rather which has been obligated upon human beings is an awareness or a cognizance of the lord and a decision to worship him إمام الحسين عليه الصلاة والسلام like wise states من أرف الله كم لت معرفته من who knows الله as a وجل his cognizance has been made complete so Allah as a وجل through the holy imams has informed us that's cognizance and awareness of him is of course a necessary obligation upon all human beings and the best of obligations after that is to choose to worship him and of course worshiping him is likewise a rational obligation dear viewers we're going to go for a very short break and when we come back we'll continue السلام عليكم dear viewers thank you for enduring with that short break إمام الحسين عليه الصلاة والسلام states in his very famous dua the dua which is cited in the book بحاره الوار باعلامة من شلسي he states تردو دي في الاثار يوجب بعض المزار أو الله أو my lord in your signs there is symbols leading towards you when have you ever been hidden so that others could be the ones that make you manifest and what we understand from this is that the imam is referring to different types of معرفة the imam is referring to different levels of cognizance these levels of cognizance of course we have discussed in the previous episodes pertaining to atheism especially from pertaining to veneration that the one who is most cognizant of himself is most cognizant of his lord or the one who is most aware of himself is most aware of his lord and the one who knows himself knows of his lord as well إمام الحسين he states and imam hosain is of course referring to the fact that الله has commanded us to contemplate on the signs of his creation and in doing so we would find that there is the solution to knowing that dayism and pantheism are not viable solutions in terms of being alternative options to real theism and essentially a great get out of jail free card for the atheist who wants to play games on worldview discussions and what i mean by that is that there is certainly there is certainly a tendency to discuss these things as if they are meaningless the atheist might say to you that i believe in a god but it's the deist god and essentially what the atheist is doing is playing a giant game he does not believe in the deist god nor does he believe in any other form of god he says this in order to escape from the dilemma that having no god produces so when it comes to the issue of objective morality we've seen how atheism doesn't allow for that so there's just two options you can either reject that morality exists and go down the rabbit hole with alice in wonderland and take the red pill and find yourself back in the matrix again or you can go nuclear as an atheist and say well yes there is no such thing as objective morality and that's it it's all subjective but of course no one lives their life in that way so it's not a very nice thing to do and so what might happen instead is the atheist who begs for a reason to believe in objective morality and one way to do that might be to invoke the god that is the deist god but the problem with that is if the whole premise of deism is that there's a god who doesn't want us to worship him that there's a god who has absolute indifference to this universe and a god who gives us no obligations then it doesn't sound like the deist god possesses much explanatory scope in this discussion and the reason for that is if there's a god who is indifferent to me knowing of his existence why would he endow me with the concept of morality which of course is a great argument for his existence why would a god who doesn't want us to know of his existence plug in the qualities of fine tuning into this universe which again would allow me to make a great cosmological argument a cosmological argument for those who are is an argument which of course looks back at the fact that this universe has a beginning why would of course he allow me to have great constants which allow for a great teleological argument and a teleological argument is of course an argument which makes appeal to the concept of design and the fact that this could not have just come about out of randomness and of course these are all things which we observe in the universe these are things which belong to the realm of natural theology what i mean by natural theology is there are things that the average man's mind can observe now of course if you want to argue that decoding in our dna which of course can house all the books in the world in a single teaspoon and have far more storage available for all the libraries in the world and every book written in every language then you can liken this to just randomness then it's quite difficult to understand what is being said and this would really lead to a level of what i call cosmological skepticism not cosmological skepticism cosmic skepticism rather what do i mean by that let's take a look at the belief of the atheist once more the atheist is willing to claim that the fine-tuning the constants were all just random they came about by randomness and it couldn't have been any other way that's fine imagine a book came out of a lab filled with 15 منكي's typing away on keyboards arbitrarily and they produced the work cleopatra by not cleopatra rather they produced the work macbeth by shakespeare when we look at the detail of the work we would see that's a clearly well-intentioned writer had written this play but imagine we were to say that no this came from that room of monkeys and therefore it doesn't matter if the probability is really really low generation after generation these monkeys were bashing away on keyboard randomly until this work came out yes it might show signs of being in a coherent language it might use metaphors and other similes and other functions which in the english language are clearly utilized by very intelligent and very craft and very capable craftsmen in their particular fields but nonetheless this is all a product of generic randomness emanating from this one room of monkeys typing away on a keyboard would anyone think we're rational absolutely not and so what often happens here is the atheist might try and appeal to the deistic god as it means to say yes okay we believe in a god now but that still doesn't explain away and it now explains the way for problem of morality explains the way for problem of fine-tuning but does it really does it really explain away the objection of fine-tuning or the objection of morality if the deity we believe in or the deity that created this universe has given us about 50 reasons in these points i've discussed alone for us to come to know of his existence if he is really the god who has given us the fitra that i discussed that fitra which makes us afraid to challenge him then what has better explanatory scope islam she is some in particular which believes in the fitra and believes that we have been in doubt with the ability to in to intelligentize him to rather i'm looking for the word but it's not coming to me it believes that we have been given the ability to recognize russian we've been given the ability to recognize morality as intelligible or a worldview that teaches that there's a god but he's not concerned with us whatsoever it doesn't even want us to know him and yet has written a morality on our souls that we can all somehow perceive does it make any sense that the god who wants nothing to do with human beings has given them infinite ways to come to know of his existence of course this is one of the reasons why many people cannot take the worldview of deism seriously and deism is of course a worldview that you don't really find many subscribers to most people that were once deists have now become atheists and they've now become full hearted naturalists and for a good reason dear viewers thank you for tuning in once more in the next few episodes we'll continue discussing deism pantheism and the option of numerous generic gods as well