 تشرف بالاشتغالي بالعلم ولا تبغي به ما عشت يا دادا دالا وياله من شراف عظيمي لماذا يفعلون ذلك ابتغاء الفتنة وابتغاء تأويلة؟ هم يريدون ان يتبغي الإسلام أو يتبغي المسلمين أو يتبغي المسلمين والناس يتبغي بطريقة محطة وطريقة محطة هذا هو موضوعهم لذلك هم ستستخدمون هذه الآيات لتبغيها The Prophet said to Aisha who is no woman we know greater than her and none of us are like her we are nothing close to our mother Aisha رضي الله تعالى عليها no in knowledge or a virtue And the Prophet said to her عائشة إذا رأيتموا الارينا if you see those people you are going to debate with them regarding those verses فولا يكون الارينا سم الله they are the ones who Allah has named they are the ones who Allah is talking about فحذروهم be cautious of them distance yourself from them don't entertain them keep it moving فحذروهم be cautious of them عائشة عائشة إذا رأيتموا الارينا The Prophet didn't say تأكوها تأكوهم There is a why when they are coming to you they are not coming to you on that mindset of wanting to take the truth They are coming to you with a preconceived notion They just have to prove their point That's all it is They are not coming with giving victory to the truth They are coming here to support barthing and falsehood in any way They are sneaking tricky methods which they can take In order to what? In order to bring about confusion And that's what they want So from those points that I mentioned There are points that we can take The first thing we can take from all those نصولs that we mentioned Is that The debate The first point is that The debate which is Praiseworthy It's highly recommended for somebody to study and learn it And come with it And yes without a doubt تتراتبوا عليه ثبارات طيبة Beautiful and great fruits Things will come out from that kind of debate And that dialogue The second one which is جدالو which is debate Which is باطل It is null and void It is falsehood and it is blameworthy So how would we know which one in details You've given us an overview So what I'll say to you is Knowing the distinguishing fact Between each one in precise details Is basically by knowing The ضوابط which is صحيح Principles And foundations which are correct Which will show you What type of debate is correct And what type of debate isn't And what are we going to be doing In today's session Principles that you can live with And you can learn What are the فوائد The benefits That one can reap That an individual can take from The مناظرات The debates which are good That are correctly done The first is that إحقاق الحق وإبرازه يعرفه الناس وينقادوا إليه The first one is You will actually bring out in the open And make a parent The truth So that the people are aware of it And so that the people are able To surrender and to give into the truth And as you all know There are many ways that the truth Can be brought out in the open فمن ضرائق إظهار الصواب المجادلات والمناظرات التي تقول بحقن And one of the ways In which a person can make The truth become apparent to the people And the truth to become clear to the people So they can submit and follow it Is by debating and arguing But بلته أحسن The second benefit that he has is كشف الأقوال الباطلة وتعريف الناس ببطلانها It also brings out in the open And it unveils The false speeches That are out there And it also Define for the people And it also clarifies for the people The falsehood that are in that speeches And in that statement Through debates it becomes clear to the people So they learn the truth And they also, the second one was They learn the falsehood that's there And they don't only just learn it But they also learn it And they don't only just learn it But they learn it Why is it false How is it wrong How is it opposing the truth As the poet said I came to know the evil I came to know the falsehood The evil Not because it's evil But to stay away from it To stay away from something To abstain from that's why I learned it And anyone who doesn't learn the evil From the good وقع فيه He will fall into it If you don't learn evil from good You will fall into it رضي الله تعالى عنه He said من الخير وكنت أسأله Then the people used to ask the prophet About the good They would ask good things And he said I would come And I would ask the evil The reason he would do that Is so he can stay away from it So through debates this goal is also attained And it's also achieved That the people start to know That this is false And simultaneously they are also learning At the point that this falsehood That's just come out of this individual Not only are they learning this falsehood They are also learning why is it a false And where is the falsehood lying in And where is the problem coming from The third is Debates they bring about distinguishing Between the evidences You basically distinguish Between what's authentic And what's falsehood And so through that what we come to know Is that Debates Which are correctly done They are a type from the types Of دعوة الى الله تعالى It's a type of دعوة الى الله تعالى و لذلك ألمام أبي بعالي الجوينر رحم الله In the book of the kafia He says That debating an argument Is actually From the most emphasized obligatory It's from it The reason why he say that is because It's from the way we met It's because it's from the دعوة الى الله Because it's from calling To Allah سبحانه وتعالى And calling to Allah is something that needs to be done It has to be done The fourth thing that it brings about is In these debates It brings the Muslims In that debate To actually become firm On holding on to their religion And be very adamant And it makes people Solidified and realize Okay And they become proud to be Muslims again Especially at times When other people And other groups Are out there shouting out To misguide the people And no one's responded to them For a long time When they do get responded to And they become confused And in the debate The people What they will do is They will be proud of How clear it is It makes sense for them So it brings about تتبيت استقامة Uprightness And this is something Allah commanded us فاستقم كما أمرت ومن تاب معك ولا تضغو إنه بما تعملون بصير Allah tells us in these debates فاستقم Be steadfast and upright And so in another ayah Allah says إن الذين استقاموا لربهم وقاموا الصلاة Those who have become steadfast So this is a characteristic That emerges When a debate is done correctly And it's a منابرات صحيحة Debates which are good Correctly done It brings about that characteristic That a lot of people may have not found in themselves For a long long time It comes about It does The fifth benefit That it brings is What you do is صد العدوان العتديد The people who are transgressing And exceeding their limits They become a bit worried now They don't really think that They can exercise their transgression As they used to Once they get silent And once they become Lost of words What happens is that They become silent And they don't anymore want to bring themselves out Forward anymore And once they do become silent And when they stop talking What does it allow It allows the truth and the hack to spread And the people of the truth To actually educate the people Number six is Debates bring about صطل للإنهالي وطصفية لله It actually cleanses the mind It's one of the ways To sharpen the people's way Of thinking now Psychologically debates is what Makes people Is mind The brain And their rationality And the way of thinking It sharpens it And it also cleanses it Sometimes Your thinking becomes Crooked But in Debates that are correctly done When the بلادر الصحيحة It brings to you the right way Of how to debate About for you The correct method of how To debate But it also brings is Debates that are correctly done It brings about certainty You even the debater Who's debating it gives you certainty Of what you were studying And you were learning It becomes certainty for you now That you're now Certain about these principles And you realize That this is truly As it should be It brings about certainty So those are some فوائد In which we take from And we read from A debate that's correctly done What about studying the sides What are the fruits that we get from it Study and are opening our minds To study علب الجدل What is it that we get from it The first of course is that Our good and debates which are Bad The distinguishing factor between the two When is our debate correct When is it justified When is it permissible When are we debating correctly And when is our debate actually what And when is our debate incorrect That is false It shouldn't be taking place The second benefit That it brings about studying these sides Is that by studying these sides By تعلم علب الجدل By learning this art This knowledge and science Is actually pleasing your Lord It's because through these sides We're actually attaining through it The certainty which is What's requested from us And it is also A وسيلة من الوسائل Which we're going to use to call the people To Allah SWT The third benefit it is By studying this science We will be able By تعلم علم الجدل You will be able to solidify in yourself The manners and the etiquettes That are required from you When you're debating You will know When you're wrong now And why you're wrong And why you're wrong And why you're wrong And why you're wrong And why you're wrong And why you're wrong You will also learn With your science When is it that you have to stop And let the person finish their point And when is it that you should interject And speak This is A science that will teach you all of that So your manners of debating The way you're going to debate Is all going to be In accordance to the The above of the Shari'a We're taking it all directly from what The Kitab and the Sunnah We're taking it from the Kitab and the Sunnah So our debate is not just As we wish and as we want The fourth is By studying علم الجدل A person will be able to To reach the results That they are looking for The correct results more like The goal that we want to attain The truth which we want to bring out By studying these science Also the fifth is By studying these science Even if you don't go out and you don't debate If you don't go out and debate But by studying these science If you hear two people debating You know whose debating Is based upon And the person whose debate Is all based upon What It's false That all he is using Is And He's using tactics That's all he's using But he has no substantial He doesn't have concrete points He doesn't have anything Even if you're brothers Who's bringing something forward That you're there For them it's just Who's Who's speaking good Who's more eloquent and whatnot That's how they determine what's right and wrong When you study these science When two people are talking You will look at everything In the light of the science That you just studied So when you watch a debate It will stick out for you And Insha'Allah you will all see Through this study A lot of what I'm saying Insha'Allah The sixth which is By studying these science A person will have the ability And you will be very strong In bringing back matters To its evidences Especially at these times Where Social media become high Internet and etc TV channels Radios and stuff You will randomly get caught off guard You never know where you're standing You don't know when you're ever going to go Into a path where you can see An atheist Talking to a Muslim sister For instance Or a Christian talking to a Muslim brother Trying to give him down And you see this brother doesn't have much knowledge Where you would have to probably interject And get hold of the situation To get this Muslim brother away from the situation And I would have to be By you debating and discussing them Having a dialogue with this individual And you just never know how it can be recorded So by studying this science And time on social media And you're a person who studies this science He's always on his guard He knows how to get matters back to the evidences And bring it back Correctly to how it should be So this science is very important Where at a time where People won't just take something because you said it Where at a time where People are actually saying to you What was the evidence And they just want to have a discussion with you The seventh is A lot of the people fall through today The atheist, agnostics Christians and etc What they've done is They've taken a lot of people with them And they've misguided many people Got them away from The truth So at a time like that Where you see this taking place The importance and the benefits of studying this science Increases even more Because they're not doing it Necessarily with force They're not beating these people to the pole Nor are they physically harming them They're using tactics that they studied They use these methods here and there And so what the Ummah and the people are in need of A person who can come And study Somebody who has studied The art of debating And his principles And how it's used And when is it correct for you to use this And how it's correct for you to not use that And the khasmi of debating with What method has he just used Has he used a method known as an إنكطاع Meaning he's jumping Which we'll see insha'Allah Is a method that you use called Where he can't get out of it And those methods And you know what's happening It's just not evidence is being thrown at each other It's actually a step by step Progress of discussion that's going on That the person would know to use The eighth So this is why it's important brothers The eighth is By studying Is actually Something that today has brought some people Back to studying the Deen of Allah Because if you're going to come With a جدال which is صحيحة It has actually made some people Think to know and understand That they need to come back and study their Deen So they've come and they start and they open books And they started from the Arabic language From basics And they've made their ways up They studied عقيدة books from beginning And they made their way up Because what we're going to see later is The أصول and the foundation that debates stand on The art and the tactics Doesn't necessarily mean You have content Are you with me brothers You can't have The tactics Of debating You know how to sway speeches You know how to confuse a person in a discussion Or you know how to Go back to frontal That doesn't necessarily mean That that debate is مولادة صحيحة شرعاً No it's not There's an أصول it stands on One of the أصول is that you have evidences You have proofs Some people they're so eloquent And they're so silver tongueed as they say That they are able to go into a discussion But make the other person who's bringing so many evidences Look what Look as though that they're the one who is weak And they walk away from the debate And this is the art that they've studied This is the way that they can Approve their points and they can But that doesn't necessarily mean that they were right And it doesn't mean that they're مولادة صحيحة So if you want So if you want to have a debate Which is authentic and it's correct There are many factors that have to be in place نعم The ability of articulating your Point and being able to speak In a particular fashion In a particular way That's something we're going to study But also you are not able To leave the two most powerful points Which are Authentication of narrations And the Which is how you're going to extract evidence from these From these And Now that we've spoken about And we've categorized And we spoke about What do you call it? The benefits that we can take From studying عين مل جدل We're now going to bring Some speeches Of scholars Who've spoken about this issue of الجدل Some things that they have said And how important it is أبو محمد ابن الجوزي رحمه الله Who is the son of the great scholar ابن الجوزي رحمه الله Okay He is the son of ابن الجوزي رحمه الله He said In his book اليضاح He said أعلم وفقني الله وإياك Give you the ability to Comprehend and the ability to do good وإياك نمعرفة هذا العم العلم الجدل That knowing And understanding this science Which is المجدل And understanding A person Who is looking at the textual evidences A person who is a thinker A person who is a scholar He is not Able to ever stay without it You can't You need المجدل And he says And a person who is debating His debate will not move forward And it won't progress And it will take place correctly If he hasn't taken on board the science أبو السليمان الباجي رحمه الله The great malik of the scholar He says وهذا العلم This knowledge Which is علم الجدل He says it's وعظمها شأنا لأنه السبير إلى معرفة الاستيلال وتمييز الحق من المحال ولولا تصحيح الوضع بالجدل لبقام حجة ولا تضحت محجة ولا علم الصحيح من السقيم ولا المعودج من المستقيم He says أبو السليمان الباجي رحمه الله This knowledge It's from the greatest Highest Sciences in terms of its weight It's from those وعظمها شأنا And its affairs is very highly ranked Why? لأنه السبير إلى معرفة الاستيلال Because it is the path to knowing How to use evidences وتمييز الحق من المحال And it is also to distinguish Between what is true From what is from the impossible وولا تصحيح الوضع بالجدل لبقام حجة ولا تضحت محجة And if it wasn't For debating an argumentation Then proofs would not have been established And things would not have become clear to people ولا علم الصحيح من السقيم And the correct thing Something correct Will not have become clear from that which isn't correct ولا المعودج من المستقيم And that which is crooked From that which is straight All of that became clear through what? Through debating أبو عقيل الحمد يرحمه الله In this Kitab Al-Jadal He says جدل has conditions Pre-requisites that you need to come with first And he has manners and etiquettes In which you need to observe And if the person uses that he said وإن استعملها الخصم If the opponent uses that Or you use that وصل إلى بغياته You're going to attain what you're looking for بغياته is what you're looking for You're going to reach that وصل إلى بغياته وصل إلى بغياته And بغياته is what you're looking for You're going to reach your goal وإلا يستعملها And if the person does not use it كاثورة غالبته And his matter becomes It becomes confused on him The best of vote becomes confused Lost of words and the middle of the debate He doesn't know how to move forward now And if he knows how to debate Sometimes Even if it's a point that he doesn't know And if it's a point that he doesn't know he's able to make sure that He doesn't get لأنه يوجد في البيت حيث يوجد فتاة أن تذهب بشكل صحيح بشكل صحيح في البيت ولكن إذا كانت فتاة جيدة في البيت وفي الارت of البيت يمكنهم أن يمثل هذا الصحيح وإنه يبدو أكثر من ما هو وإذا كانت فتاة جيدة في البيت يمكنك أن تجعل هذا يبدو بشكل صحيح وإنه يذهب منه بسرعة هذا شيء that we bring about or the art of debate brings about something similar to that ألمامه بن خلدون سد in his مقدمة خطيب البغدادي رحمه الله the great scholar of hadith in his book الفقه والمتفقه he says something which we should read he says تضمّن كتاب الله ذم الجداني the book of Allah سبحانه وتعالى it consists of it it is rebuking and scolding debating وتضمّن الأمراء بالجداني and it also command it to debate so in the Quran part of it is actually speaking against debating in it rebuking debating in it against debating and part of the Quran is actually what and part of the Quran is actually urging you to debate commanding you to debate he says as he said by this we will know out of certainty we will know by certainty that what Allah has rebuked is not what he commanded so from within the debate there are debates which are praiseworthy and he commanded and there are debates which are blameworthy and they are prohibited فطلبنا البيانة لكل واحد من الأمرين and he goes on speaking about the different types of debates there are and what they are شيخ الإسلامي بن تيمي whose book we are going to be speaking about later which is قد تنبيه الرجل العاقل على تمويه الجد للباطل which we will speak about and why he authored that book he says and who شيخ الإسلامي بن تيمي he said as for debating in and within itself جنس المنظرة the essence of debating you see فهذا لم ينه فهذا لم ينه السلف العنو the self did not pray with that one so when you read the books of light for instance أصول السنة written by Imam أحمد رحمه الله in which he says that the أصول we hold on to is the and the foundation that we are upon is التمستق بما كان عليه أصحاب رسول الله that we hold on to that which the companions were upon and that we don't debate the debating here that they are talking about شيخ الإسلامي بن تيمي is telling you it's not the essence of debating itself it's the type of debate though that is done based on falsehood the debate which is based upon falsehood as for the debate which is حق سلفو هذه الأمة they themselves exercise أحمد رحمه الله himself debated it's actually present he's debate رحمه الله in his كتاب الرد على الجهبية والزلادقة and his debate are present and how he debated with the deviated بُعُتَزِلِ of his time the deviated group so this shows us that the benefits on what the scholars have actually said about it the debating شيخ الإسلامي بن تيمي is from the أئمة who we say that he understood مدهب السلف the methodology of the self very well because of his إطلاع and his reading and his understanding so we'll take a break إن شاء الله تعالى we'll take a 15 minutes break and we'll go on to speaking about تاريخ العلم الجدن the history and how it came about so this as I said it's going to be all fully based on having an understanding and introduction of علم الجدن so 15 minutes إن شاء الله تعالى if you guys come back by 9 o'clock we'll carry on from where we left off