 Welcome back to the discussion of the day. I promise you that I would come back here to compare the past and the present and maybe with the future also. And now we are with the discussion of the day. Today we are talking about Christmas then and Christmas now. Which one is sweeter? In fact we passed that in our social media platforms. We asked between the Christmas of yesterday when we were kids and the Christmas now as we celebrate now, which one is sweeter and the comments are interesting. There are so many comments. In fact I've got people who are advocating for the Christmas now. Who really love Christmas now compared to the past. Because just because they have money and because they are allowed to walk around with girls. Which was not allowed then. My name is Sankara Kaisu and this is Y254. And this is when the morning and this particular segment is WCW and with this discussion of the day I'm not here alone. I am with Queens because I told you this is WCW. I'm with Queens. Very beautiful Queens. What did you introduce? I know this one is Milka and this one is Phenomenon at Indi Nyaasikuwadi. So let's start with Milka. Milka, tell us everything that you think we need to know about yourself in this camera here. My name is Milka Jerry. I'm a student at Kenya Institute of Mass Communication. It's a media school. Social media handles? Instagram, I am Mili. TikTok, I am Mili. Are you in Facebook? No, I'm not on Facebook. Welcome to the end of the morning. Thank you. He used to be a common figure in this show. I went away but I'm back. For the next two weeks I'll be in Nairobi until January 3rd. I'm a student by the way. I've told you you went back to be a student. Yes, I went back to school. Yes, that's why you are not common here. Used to be like a permanent resident of this show. Ya, people around here thought I was working here. Now those who are watching you for the first time tell them who you are. I'm Shari Tietien globally and internationally known as Zatindi Nyarsikwa. I'm a teacher, I'm a mother and I'm a friend to many. And kusamkara kaisu today there are people watching from Beringo, Moui Beringo. Wao. Kwa mika tu chini wa nangoja kwa na Tietien. Welcome. See, that's nice. Welcome back. Thank you. We are here to discuss Christmas. I don't know your ages but there's something that used to happen when I was young that I don't know whether... I know I am older than you. I know when I was a kid you can estimate. I am in third floor so you can estimate when that was. That was in 80s. No, not 80s. Later 80s. Ya, 90s, early 2000s, but not even born. When were you? Are you ready to disclose your age? No, but that was not even born. You were not born by early 2000s at all then? No, 2000. I was not born in 2000. You were born in 2010. No, I had not disclosed that. Okay, but it's okay. Tell us about how maybe you start with preparation. Oh, let's start with countdown. Do you remember what happened when maybe it's five days to Christmas? What really happened in your childhood life, Melka? We used to... When did you grow up? Townish. So it's townish. Am I Ushago? No, Ushago. On Ushago. Okay, that's perfect now. Tell us how it used to be. Five days to Christmas. We'd come to town here, Nairobi, buy clothes, shoes, new things, everything you wanted. Your parents would get them for me. That excitement, you're going to town with your parents, your siblings. Now you want that dress, you saw, you're fed. That was around which year? Around 2005, 2006. Now you disclose what you're going to disclose. So it used to be good. Very good. But because the clothes involved the shopping, so what used to excite you at the shopping and others? The new clothes. Okay. The shoes, everything. Do you still buy new clothes now? Have you bought Christmas clothes? No, no, no. If not, you'll tell us why. But not tell us at the end. During our time, there was nothing like shoes, like clothes, I mean shopping. Christmas was for eating and going to church only. Yes. It was food, actually it's a party. We could only eat your party on the Christmas day. We will really take time to talk about it. Yes, and actually five days to Christmas, we've already booked where you'll borrow a pan and a railing fee, because it was not so common. When was that? That was in 90s. I'm old, I'm a fossil. You are, I know you are in third floor. You are a third floor. I know that for sure. Yeah, that was in 90s. But that doesn't make you a fossil, you're still a youth. Okay, okay. So tell us five days. Five days before Christmas, any thing that used to happen. Five days to Christmas, like people, you'll book a photo, a photographer. You see by those days a photographer, you may be in the whole of Homa Bikari, there could be two or three photographers, or even one. So you book one. Actually taking photos was so, it was not a common thing. It was so rare. And those who took photos were people with. You take like in one year, you take photos twice or once. Once during Christmas and you know any other. Unless there's a wedding, maybe in church, which was also not common. So five days to Christmas, you'll book a photographer, you'll book where you'll borrow a pan and a rolling pin. Yes. You'll book maybe a hand. And those pants were not common. They were not common. And if you bought a pan, if you bought a pan, you return it with three chapatis. You just don't return it that way. So five days to Christmas, there was anxiety all over. People are waiting for that Christmas day. Yes. There was uncertainty around. Yeah. Like everybody would be like, Sunday will be Christmas. Yeah, and some of us will not even sleep. We will just be waiting for that today. Oh, wow. But there was nothing like buying clothes, like for peas or the seeds. For the deep village people. Yeah. Yeah, people like me who grew up in the heart of Omabeka. It was not common. You and me, same WhatsApp group. Let's get to 24th now. The Christmas Eve. I want to see the mood. The Christmas Eve, it's 24th. Tomorrow is Christmas. That evening. How it used to be. Like Milka, did you start now celebrating Christmas now on that day? On the 24th. Yes. Yes. Not really. You were waiting for 24th. What were you like used to eating on that day? On 24th. Chapati. Simboga. Mboga pia. Oh. So that day you would eat anything. Nanyama. Nanyama. Oh, but like for that day you had started eating goods. Maybe people like you, the difference between you and us is that you used to eat good all through. People like me, we were not used to eating good things like good food at the Christmas. Good food. What do you mean by good food? By good food I know you won't understand because one you are young and two you are brought up in Peri-Aban area. For us who are brought up in Ushago, you used to eat mboga, manna, hideri. Ya, so on Christmas you would change diet and it was impactful eating. I know you are going to tell us about your 24th then we will describe more. Tell us about your 24th. My 24th if coming from a Christian background and you see your Catholics by then, you see Catholics value Christmas so much. That 24th if you would go to church, actually the whole night will spend in church until the following day in the morning. Coming home that's when we will find my mother was never Catholic so she didn't recognize Christmas and she never celebrated Christmas but just because of us and our dad she could prepare something good and it was obvious in Chapati and maybe Mandazi Mandazi in the morning, Chapati and chicken at lunch time. Did you say your mom didn't used to celebrate Christmas? Up to date she does not recognize Christmas but you dad and yourself your Catholic, so Christmas was everything? It was everything. Very big celebration. Are you also a Catholic milk? No. But did you used to go to church on 24th night? No. Oh, you? You used to go? Ya, like that one was a mast. Ya, it was a mast. Yes, it was a mast. Yes, I was a little happy. Was happy? I was happy when I was searching. Was happy when you were searching. It was nice when we met together and you saw someone like me like me who loved acting. I would be marry the next time I would be Elisabeth. I was always there. I could imagine you were carrying the newborn baby. You used to carry a typical newborn baby? Ya, ya. You used to get a newborn baby there? No, not really a newborn baby but toys. Very nice toys Ya, dolls. Okay, do you remember, do you see now what you are missing? Yes, it was nice being brought up at Ushago. I was brought up in Ushago. You call the kwa Ushago? Not really, the kataanga is Ushago, Nushago, Nushago. The difference is the timing. The difference is the timing. Let's talk about your dress because you are the only person here who used to have new dress. New dress on Christmas. How many dresses have you worn? Christmas dot is the one you wear. Oh, moja? Yes. You wear a skirt top, you wear a dress, you wear a kia tu. She's very lucky. Yes, she's lucky to have been brought up there. So you were brought up on the 24th of March, 25th. 25th. You were brought up on the 24th of March, 25th. No more. And how was this dress used to look like? Was it very expensive, very nice? Kind of. Yes, it was kind of expensive. Kind of. Alafu nini wote kwenyum kuibo. Like mli kwa watutohote wa kwenyua na baiwa dress wibia. Alafu muna auka sudui. Nava. Kuna mailuna nda unava atu. Yes. Okay, let's get back to food. And I think we start with you. Special food zayusiku. Chapo. Diatili kwa inaka aje. Chapo. Yes. Stiu. Teme. Boga. Iwa nyanga. Wa aru wa kikui wa aru na jatia. Iwa. Aku kwa na vitu kubu. Unless kuna guests. Ama family mko. Ni wote ples moja. Then they will be like. Agot. Nachinja mbuzi. Na kula epa moja. Okay. Okay. That used to be nice. Very nice. It looks to be nice. Very nice. But skweezi si mna kula ezo kilasiku. Asu kilasiku. Bado kuna wileuna filu kukulia Christmas. Umekula Christmas. Skweezi akuna ezo meja tins. Ata uneza pata ata. Aku japi kwa Christmas. Bukutu kumetuni atu akukai Christmas. Akukai? Akukai. Sika kitambo. Sika kitambo. So you agree that Christmas ya kitambo. Ukiwom tohili kwa tamu kuliko ezo. Sana. Your opinion about food. You start with food. With food. Food on Christmas. Like at times we could come together. The bigger family. I plus my uncles. My cousins would come together. My grandfather being a catechist. Over this day so much. Your grandfather was a catechist. Yes and he is still a catechist. Catechist ni kama priest ama yulem dogua priest. Om dogua priest. Like anelda. So you will donate a goat. Or maybe even a cow. You will slaughter and eat. Chia pati was a must. Chia pati lasi ma na. Now that was the icing on the cake. And maybe chicken. So that was out of there. It was very rare. Unless an uncle was a doctor. Unless he carried some. Soda from the city. Ya from the city. Yes and spaghetti. By the way you will see. But the first time I saw spaghetti. When my uncle brought spaghetti home. I refused to eat ugali. That is what I ate. That was the first time you saw spaghetti. That was the first time I saw spaghetti. And I enjoyed it so much. Kwa na shangai na kame niyo miyo. Yung miyo sasa. Imagine the first time I cooked spaghetti home. I am the first person who cooked spaghetti home. A kuna miyo leka taku. Wakazema ya pan. Miyo eh. It looked funny. But out of curiosity I just wanted to have a taste of it. But it was nice. Milka tell me about chia pati. I have a feeling. Honestly kwa chia pati za kitamu zili. Kwa tamu kuhi. So kuli kwa chia pati. So kuli kwa chia pati. So kuli kwa chia pati. So kuli kwa chia pati. So kuli kwa chia pati za skwezi. Aha. Za kitamu wa kwa tamu kaza skwezi. Na jo, yo temu. A kuwa na jo kwa kakama spices. Ivo. Nii. Nitu kama lengi. Ivo kaza skwezi. Skwezi at least to mamelan. Pika chia pati better than these of days. The only problem is that like today people cook chia pati in the day. It has lost its meaning. It has lost its value. And even when it stays. That is why when you eat chia pati today you don't feel the sweetness. But you see during those days we will wait as a whole here. Just wait chia pati on 25. You can imagine. You have the point. Yes. And you walk around with it. And you tell everybody we have to pick up chia pati. But people are telling me chia pati's are nowadays everywhere. And it can be a parabara. Yeah. There are times when we used to see chia pati once. Here once. Yes. Mama kwa TV. Kama uta pika chia pati kati kati yamu waka. Then when you luminati. I don't know. I don't know. We have to pick up chia pati. We have to announce. We have to tell our children we have to pick up chia pati. We have to sit down and pick up chia pati. We have to... Before they just... Chia pati. And you walk around with the peace. My co-host Karen Jesus laughing where she is. I have a 2-year experience. Around 2-year experience. We have to pick up chia pati. It was nice. It was nice. Yes. And then my grandfather could tell us that when you eat chicken you don't wash your hands. Oh. You just leave your hands like that. Like if you feel you can... You can... ...click your hands. Anytime we cooked chicken you don't wash your hands. Yes. Number one he was saying that if you wash your hands you will not be a good... A good farmer. A good keeper. Of such. Yes. So you will go out maybe to look for fire. You don't have to fetch water with the... With the hands as they are. Even the neck. Yes. And then you will know you cooked chicken at your place. Oh wow. And that was the beauty of it. Life was sweet then. It was sweet. Life was sweet. Let's talk about... I'm rushing with time because time now is a resource, a limited resource just like other resources. Yes. Let's talk about outing just after that. I don't know whether you guys used to do it but I used to do it like there would be maybe some disco at a daytime disco at a shopping center nearby. So immediately after eating everybody goes to the nearby shopping center. Did it used to happen to your place? It used to happen but you know I was a kid now the elder... The older cousin... Mchana. Mchana like what? Jiyoni after kukula. Oh ah ah. Nangelia... Mchana. Mchana. Eh watua nanda tu kutembea center nangumpia. Atakama kuna disco. Eh iwi kwa jiyoni sasa. Oh jiyoni. After kula kila kitu. Ni watutom nachua wengina wananda wana kuja usiku Oh. But we sasa wuli kuna nangumpia. Nimi na bakitu miki zinais nachapa wukau. Eh. Yeni wuli kwa tu kukula. Kukula. Soda zi nyezime baki wamenda nimi na kuna. Ah kutembea center. We used to go out. We used to go out after washing your sleepers with a maize cup. You see when we were thinking wash your sleepers fast and put them somewhere to die. She's slumping your skin. And you put on your batter sleepers. When was? You have not say the colors of those sleepers. The red and blue of yours. The red and blue. Yeah batter. You wash with a maize cup and put them somewhere to dry on a stone. And then I walked to Sikwadi city. Yeah we go there we dance and come back and monitor when my father's going to sleep we go back again. Today used to be like a night disco. Yeah night disco. For the Christmas. For the Christmas. It had to be. In other places it's on 24th when people wake up on 25th when they have danced and then they again dance on 25th. No like in our place it went across on 24th night and 25th night. So 24th night we'll spend in church. 25th during the day umeskia skiafununumaliiko then that night we go. Yes. And that day it's like just revisiting food because food is the main thing. Kila house kwa na food So akuna kwenaku doia kwa ngine. Yeah obvious that people who didn't have and you see but then people were so friendly people could just come to a place where there is food people will share and eat sugar and so on. Okay. Milk at the mood generally on 25th How? Kwa je Fora ha Stella Stella Youngachapo yosiku Yeah Yesa kichapare yosiku kikuniva We have chapa before yeah We have chapa before before yosiku Iyosiku tunifura ha karakuna umeka seivi Where is the chapa yosiku is chapa kasia kukutana Kesia where is the Kutana Kuttana My mother will not be sponsored she will be the author chairman again lakalora was kiki We know this craze. I saw a tweet by Kenya Railways that people would really like to take you for Christmas but we are sorry we are booked up to from 21st up to 26th is fully booked so you can't get a space. I don't think it was expensive and I don't think there was that mass movement to the rural. It was rare and then I don't know how they used to do it. But right now it is expensive. My kids just went home. Yesterday it was so hectic and you see movement and everything. I don't think it was expensive. I don't think there was that mass movement to the rural. I don't think there was that mass movement to the rural. How many hours do you take on the way? Almost two to three hours. She is laughing. Because you take eight hours over. Yes. How many hours do you take on the way? It's 12 hours. Yes. 12 hours. It's been 15 years since training. That's when you do the weekend. Yes. People got stranded on the way. So three hours is a very small time compared. I remember my co-panelist Val. I told her one day that people travel at night. Nama kakaribu na day, mcheli na day. Nama na travel the whole night. There are things I don't want to imagine. But before the bus leaves the station, mehanza kujuana. So tangumfike home, Val used to tell me, yo ni relationship. You cannot travel the whole night for 12 hours. Eh, na na na na. A lafum seme yusiri relationship. Kaiyesu, kaiyesu wana omosiku jizi wa kutufa uti. Mnabuk kegaria pa nañyama jyowa na jwata utataka kuna nguli e kitu na ruk. A lafum naza kuhuza lemiaftana. You greet me and let you respond. Yama we mo e wai? Udi ya jubi na janma zahini. Ha, mekula njamaya kebaku na nakulizza. para tomofi kama apikiku jigihibu. Okay, let's get back to Christmas. Kutembe leyana. Kwa niyo liko ona nda 2 ku tembeliana na Christmas, nitu ona na panga, ona nda kukuna Christmas jiyu wakini, eh, so ye ni mgeni uko. Ume oi tembeliana na Christmas? Where are we? Christmas. Apan. Like, kwa yako yote unakula kwenye? Eh. Na wageni kukuja kwenye? Eh, wagenye. Awa liko ona kujya? Eh. Kenana ni mantis. Mantis eh, uncles. Eh. So it was like, family day, na spend pama waja. Muliku om na fanya like nuclear family peke, enu om extended family wana sana pesam na kujya mna celebrate pama waja. Banya wana sana pesatina, fanya pama waja. Eh. But unlike her, yim liku om na kujya swa na hasi. Say. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Nya biba, Antia liku ona tokum vali. We used to travel, like over Nant at Saakwa, Bondo. I could travel a lot of the way from Homakbeito to Saakwa to go and visit over Christmas. And she could book us. She could say next, next hour or so to come and visit me. And maybe if we go, these are the following year, her kids could come along. Yeah. Okay. Na fakura pita piko se maisha, but now let's talk last, last about gifts. Muliku om na kata gifts, a Christmas kutoka kwa relatives na friends. I see kwa ii pata gift, gift, but ungepewa 50 bob, 20 bob beh. No, ungepewa pesta. Yere gif. Yere gif. But nili pata gifts. Okay. Talk about gifts to Malaysis. Where I come from, that was an ad-off. Oh. Ako kwa na mambuna gifts? Ako na. Mpaka hii 10, 20 bob. I know. Na, ni ako pe. Ako na. It was never there. It was never there. Okay. In this camera milka, just as you are, tell us the parting shot. Wish people Merry Christmas and maybe we want them to celebrate. Okay. So, is a Christmas taki tambo? They were fun and all. I wish people, when I go back to those times, to kwa? Like before, to na celebrate pamaoja, you know? Sqizzi atu atu, awa ndi usha, go for Christmas, na baki towns, place na fanya job. I wish inga kwa kaki tambo. I wish. So, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all. Yeah. Tell you what, you are, you are, what, what did you say you were? Mou ibaringo. Yeah, baringo. Tell baringo people something over this camera. Mou ibaringo. I just want to wish you a Merry Christmas. At this time to go home, to show off the kind of car you are driving, what you have acquired, the academic calendar. This is the time that you should come together as family and relatives and maybe look on how to support each other, reach wherever you are. I just want to wish you a Merry Christmas and enjoy and remember to keep safe wherever you are. Thank you for coming, guys. It was nice having you. Very nice having you. You've given me what I wanted. Now that picture, the nostalgia back there and now. And you're always welcome to come back. I hope you'll also come back to celebrate Happy New Year. That is in 2022. We are coming back with Karin, Karin Jesus, to kill it.