 Bonjour à tous. Bienvenue à la conférence de presse que le Conseil... Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to this press conference from Inyatsou Kassis. And there will also be a press conference at the end of the meeting. Mr Yermak, head of Mr Zelinski's presidential team, and any questions connected with the continuation of the conference, please keep your questions for later. Merci, Monsieur Bidot. Merci. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this press conference. Almost at the end of this national advisers meeting, national security advisers meeting. The discussion is still ongoing, and the discussion at the end of the 10-point formula is going on with the contributions from the different countries. So these nations have got together in Davos to discuss peace and the means to achieve peace in Ukraine, but also peace in other conflicts around the planet. You will understand why I'm talking about this now. Peace is something that the Ukrainian people urgently needs, and I would like to salute the Ukrainian ambassador who's in this room after more than two years of war. Winter on the Ukrainian front is not winter in Davos. We must do everything we can to help Ukraine put an end to this war. Switzerland organises this meeting together with Ukraine to continue the peace efforts. The conference is based on the long tradition of Switzerland for the promotion of peace. In the summer of 2022 in Lugano, the principles for the reconstruction of Ukraine were discussed, and here again in Davos, the 10-point peace formula of President Zelensky is the basis for such a peace discussion. We had three technical meetings that have taken place already in Jeddah, Copenhague, and in Malta. Therefore, this is the fourth National Security Advisor meeting, probably the last one at this level. Today the results of these talks will be presented. I presented the results of the last point 10 before I came to you, and this was elaborated by the working groups. Switzerland is in the working group about food security, nuclear security, and the confirmation of the end of the war. The conference in Davos is concentrated on the point 6 to 10 of the peace formula. That is, criteria in order to end, the hostilities, the withdrawal of the Russian troops, justice for the committed crimes, protection of the environment, and the prevention of further escalation. And also the question of food security and humanitarian aspects will be discussed this afternoon. Tonight there will be the co-president, the head of the presidential office, André Jermac, who will present the results between six and seven tonight. Switzerland, in order to come back to our country, is able to provide humanitarian help for approximately 400 million Swiss francs. This 1.6 billion euro will be foreseen until 2026 for our support. Our commitment for Ukraine will continue also during the forum here in Davos, together with the presidency of Switzerland and the Ukrainian authorities will organise a panel about the humanitarian demining, which we moderate, which is one of the Swiss priorities. We will certainly remember that the Swiss council has just approved a package of 400 million francs, which was confirmed by the parliament. I would like to thank the forum and Mr Schwab, the president, who is here. It is an honour for us. And despite all the preparations for the web meeting, and you are here and permitted this important meeting, we would like to thank you for it. I would like to mention, and you may have heard it already, that tonight at the end of the day you will have a summary of all four sessions and a Yarmak, that is the co-leader of the conference. This, as much as the introduction is concerned and I am available for your questions in German, French or English. Please state the media you start for and your name. You work for and your name. Lan Sirop Fakisto Nates, Mr federal councillor. A few months ago you seemed much more prudent and about this peace formula since then Switzerland has decided to take part. What makes you say that this plan is now better than it was a few months ago and one of the results the Ukrainian would like to obtain is a world peace summit. Is Switzerland keen to host this such a summit that the Ukrainians so want? Switzerland has always saluted the 10 point plan and if you consider that prudence is a sign that having a plan by one of the two nations who are at war, you are indeed right. In some way or another we will need to find a path to include Russia in the process. There will be no peace without Russia having its word to say. But this does not mean quite the contrary that we should just be depressed and sit there and wait for Russia to do something. What can we do apart from wait? Because every time we wait, every minute we wait, millions in Ukraine are killed or wounded. We have no right to wait forever and this discussion, the purpose of this discussion is essentially twofold as I understood this morning as I was physically in attendance. The first is that we must prepare a broad alliance of nations of the world which is why we had four sessions which we broadened as we went to create international pressure for a peace plan. Ukraine's proposal is one proposal. It forms a foundation. It is a starting point. But and that is what was expressed very strongly this morning. One must also ask the question. This international community comes together not just because of the war in Ukraine but the war that they may have much closer to home. I don't like the word but it's a kind of how do we find best practices? How can one exit armed conflict or war? What are the mechanisms and how could one prevent escalation? These are two elements which are extremely interesting for countries beyond the specific example of the war in Ukraine. Laurent Bocarte, RTSTV can we really be realistic about the chances of excess of the process? What has actually been done to extend beyond the classic western allies and how have you included the global south and China? Success can be measured in terms of the goals you are pursuing. If the goal you are pursuing is to create an international alliance that goes beyond Europe or beyond the west with Canada and the US and that extends to the global south. Well that aim has in part been reached with 83 nations China is not included it would be an important participation but we have Brazil, India, Saudi Arabia representatives of the BRICS who are still in a dialogue with Russia so that aim I believe has been achieved. There must be a common understanding of the points. We need to express that in different languages to be sure that we all mean the same thing and that is no easy task. So this very broad participation is in itself a success. Second success National Security Advisers is really the right level for this the appropriate level because we can go down not so much into the finer details but into the technical aspects of these problems and in that sense these goals have been reached. If at the end of this process a peace process can be initiated with Russia no not necessarily but that was not the purpose but the purpose is to prepare so that we are ready and ripe to launch a process with Russia when the time comes. Is there one concrete success of the NSC meetings? Where were you successful with this format which you just described? May I ask you back? What is a concrete success for you? Well, if you have done something to implement the 10 points. Yes, this does exist. You can look at the process and as I said there are 83 countries that participate in it having developed a common language to speak about these 10 points. For some it is easier for others we need to discuss much more and not only about coming to the process but also coming to results. These are preparatory steps and you should neither be depressed nor to ensue the aesthetic but it is necessary because the alternative to what is happening today in Davos the alternative is that each group decides for itself the G7, the G20, the EU and all the others but here we try to speak together. Ladies and gentlemen you should not underestimate the importance of saying the same thing if we managed to do this with 83 countries and to have a collective movement at the international level and also the United Nations are represented here and this is very important because it could be able to do something which unfortunately was not able to now in the United Nations which is already a success. For me, if we say the success is to stop the war then we are not yet that far. Thank you very much. Question in English from Steve Sedgwick of CNBC. In real politics a lot has changed since this process started since the first NSA meeting as well. The counter offensive has full intensive purposes stored. There are questions about Western financial support from the United States and indeed from parts of Europe as well. Why hasn't there been an evolution of the aspirations of the 10 points i.e. when you're in a strong position you have a certain set of requirements. Now things are quite frankly a stalemate on the battlefield. Surely there should be an evolution of the aspirations and secondly I want to know what's being done and what's happening is that the Ukrainians won't speak to the Russians at the moment directly. Surely that has to happen sir, thank you. C'est des questions tout à fait justifiées Monsieur. La première question I think your questions are fully justified. The first question is how do we evaluate what is happening on the battlefield and as far as this situation is concerned we have different views. The position of Ukraine is not the position of Russia but countries have both a vision that they consider to be the best. Obviously the situation on the battlefield is going to influence when when there will be a form of willingness on behalf of Russia to join and sit at the table of negotiations. That's obvious but we have to be ready we have to be ready and we shouldn't wait until that moment and this is why we're preparing now we're preparing that moment but in the meantime the military, the battlefield situation is creating or not the right context to move forward. Oui, alors la participation de la Russie That's right, the participation of Russia I think this is pretty much what I just said. Currently I think it is an illusion to imagine that by inviting Russia Russia will accept and that is not the purpose as we are speaking. Once again right now we are preparing to at one point get the Russians to join and participate it will have to be facilitated, mediated by other states potentially in order to get Russia on board Merci David Paggi Radio-Tradition Suisse de Longue Italienne Hello David Paggi The Swiss Italian Language Media Don't you think this position is going to irritate Russia? Don't you think that this position could have an impact on the neutrality of Switzerland? Well, the first steps the first four meetings NSA meetings were not about pleasing Russia it was about creating a common understanding on a set of ten points and see whether we could find an agreement by tweaking the points possibly if we could come to some sort of an agreement a foundation if you'd like that we could submit to Russia Right now, things are a bit more complicated We're not going to have a peace conference without Russia This is not possible However, once again we need to see how and when we can get Russia on board One of the questions was about the next conference and we're looking at this we're taking this into consideration we have not made any decisions as you know the Ukrainian president will be attending the World Economic Forum and this will hopefully open opportunities for further discussions with him So the process is going on and how is it going to continue in Davos and in the next weeks and months In the next days Ukraine will see what are the results of these four first conferences at the level of national security advisers and these results will now be the basis to have a next step maybe at a higher level and how and when well and into what effect I cannot tell you today because this will be part of the discussions that we will lead with Ukraine Madeleine Fanotten Le temps, is Switzerland taking any other initiatives in this conflict as a mediator and could you describe and qualify the role Switzerland could play to describe the role of Switzerland in this conflict Well, I think this is probably the most high level and visible initiative that exists I would like to give recognition to Ukraine there was a lot of reluctance initially and yet there is a momentum there is a collective movement forward and it shows that there is this power to convince Switzerland is of course active in many other areas of cooperation with Ukraine demining humanitarian initiatives and a number of other initiatives involving the international red cross for example but this is more on a project by project basis I really think that the NSA initiative is probably the most structured one again I'd like to pay tribute to Ukraine Ukraine asked us to join the World Economic Forum to organize this conference today Mr Kosher, you talked about modulating or making adjustments is Switzerland modulating those 10 points depending on the war we know that those 10 points submitted by Ukraine are very very far from what Russia wants absolutely as I said in my introduction we're also a member of 3 working groups we will be supervising efforts on food safety there is a meeting scheduled this afternoon as well as humanitarian assistance and yes we are permanently modulating what we said yesterday could be completely outdated tomorrow but we keep going towards the same direction we have the same objective in mind the objective is to put an end to this war every day, every week leads to greater destruction more victims, more suffering Mr Federal Councillor Kier Simmons from NBC news just to pick up on my colleague from CNBC was asking you Steve I was in Russia in December there's every sign that the Russians want to talk about compromise which is the question you're being asked again and again so are you saying that peace is the ultimate objective no matter what because fundamentally there's a territorial disagreement here or are you saying that you are trying to persuade the Ukrainians to compromise on territory which they clearly do not want to do and isn't the most likely outcome now an armistice completely unsatisfactory for Europe are you sure that you are right Well I think you're right currently Russia is not willing to make any concessions the same thing applies to Ukraine so this is a legitimate question how can we get both parties to sit down and talk with this stalemate it is impossible and yet we keep insisting as I said before quite simply alternative what should we do sit on a chair and wait for the future of the planet to shape itself or should we influence the shape of the planet if we can get a collective momentum involving roughly 100 countries some are far away countries not necessarily western countries some are absolutely not western world countries and yet they are very important countries well I think that having those countries all together makes it more likely to find an exit to this conflict the stakes are high there are many challenges some are more important than the others and this is the reason why we really focused a lot on some of the points of the 10 points of the peace formula without a dialogue we will never come to a satisfactory conclusion history shows that wars and not because you've exhausted all military options but simply because when you reach a certain level the ligerents sit down and talk we have to be prepared for this I'm a Ukrainian journalist and I'd like to ask you we all highly appreciate in Ukraine your efforts on the negotiation process and the help of Switzerland to us can you tell us few words about future in autumn conference on humanitarian demining of Ukraine and if it's appropriate in this situation when hostilities continue still what do you think Daniel the question you're asking was the same one we had at the recovery conference a couple years ago during the war non la question doit être répondu très clairement je pense qu'on doit répondre à la question je pense que c'est approprié je pense que c'est approprié pour parler de la déménagement de la humanité maintenant on ne peut pas demander on ne peut pas demander 35 ou 40 millions de gens pour rester calme rester calme on va venir et vous aider ça ne va pas on doit donner nous devons donner un futur nous devons donner hope et nous devons encourager la population ukrainienne d'imaginer leur futur c'est notre duty et c'est notre intérêt parce que si ils perdent la hope ils ne vont plus se battre si ils ne vont plus se battre les conséquences géopolitiques vont être majeures et ils ne sont pas dans notre intérêt donc il y a un vrai spin donc Switzerland est fortement commis et on a vraiment décidé de faire attention à la déménagement de la humanité on a mis beaucoup d'argent beaucoup plus que ce que normalement nous ferons pour un projet comme ça parce que nous voulons vraiment faire une différence Swiss francs c'est beaucoup d'argent c'est une majorité très beaucoup dans l'esprit de la Lugano conference comment pouvons-nous rébuilder un pays si vous ne devriez pas déménager vous devez retirer les mines avant que vous puissiez créer de nouvelles pharmacies faire des écoles pour que les populations puissent retourner et c'est ce que nous voulons faire la guerre n'est pas partout la guerre pour le temps est en quelques locations quelques zones sont très saines mais nous devons faire sure que les populations, les populations ukrainiennes peuvent vivre mind-free vous êtes le co-ordinateur de cette MSA ce que ça veut dire que la conference est organisée par les deux c'est-à-dire les contenus et aussi les aspects logistiques et les motelités dans les discussions c'est ce que nous avons fait et la dernière conférence dans Malta, nous nous sommes présents et nous devons s'occuper d'une conférence et nous devons continuer sur cette conférence comme j'ai expliqué nous ne connaissons pas exactement ce que les détails sont mais nous savons que la conférence va continuer de maintenant et c'est que Mr Cassis, vous avez dit nous avons besoin d'un procès où la Russie et peut-être aussi la Chine peut aider la Suisse à ouvrir des canons les Chineuses, le Premier ministre va être ici vous avez aussi des canons à ouvrir avec la Russie oui, je vois notre rôle et notre fonction pour faire ça, exactement merci d'avoir aidé je suis Kodama depuis Kyoto japonais j'aimerais vous demander vous avez dit que la Russie a participé dans cette conférence donc il semble être plus neutral que les pays de l'Ouest donc quelle opinion ou un statement ont-ils expérimenté cette conférence et aussi vous avez dit que la Chine n'a pas participé et pourquoi la Chine n'a pas participé dans cette conférence merci beaucoup la participation des pays la participation des pays de l'Alliance Bricks est de la plus importante parce que c'est des pays qui ont des relations où il y a un degré de confiance entre eux et la Russie la Russie, bien sûr, est partie de ce groupe de présence de ces pays c'est important on a Brésil, on a Indie on a Saudi Arabia et en Sud-Afrique on a aussi on a aussi vu le président ukrainien aller à l'Argentine pour attendre l'inauguration de l'Argentine tous ces sont les actions de faciliter ce mouvement collectif et aussi d'involver des pays qui sont peut-être géographiquement joués mais qui peuvent jouer un rôle parce qu'ils ont l'influence en Russie bien sûr la Chine peut jouer un rôle crucial dans tout ce processus et nous devons trouver de meilleures manières pour faire progress. ce n'est pas un path facile il sera long mais comme je l'ai dit il n'y a pas de choice d'y traiter c'est des superpowers qui sont les médiataires de la Chine peut-être moins requiert et dans la stratégie nous pouvons réintentionner les bons services. Merci beaucoup pour votre question parce que cela correspond à la réalité la perception dans les médias qui sont convaincés par les médias c'est les diplomatiques entre l'Iran et l'Arabie et la Chine avec leur weight ces de haut niveau les services publics n'ont pas toujours de bons services mais ils sont plus tard avec le pouvoir du pays et ils arrivent parce qu'on n'a pas besoin de faire ces actions et ce que nous faisons c'est un autre niveau qui est plus important et qui est un niveau qui nous ne pouvons pas toujours provider et c'est notre délire pour donner ces bons services c'est la question qui est les services publics où vous voulez suivre ces résultats par exemple dans le cancer de la Chine vous voulez présenter les résultats pour eux pour répondre précisément je pense que c'est trop tard parce qu'on est juste parlant d'Ukraine pour voir qui pourrait être les services publics liés à le processus du conseil de sécurité ce n'est pas le cas c'est beaucoup plus polarisé et vous ne pouvez pas avoir le dialogue ce que nous voulons merci je voulais suivre sur le point des concessions sur le table vous pouvez confirmer si ce n'est pas discuté et si vous êtes pressé pour le processus de la paix pour une concession pour être faite non madame actuellement non madame ni russia ni ukraine sont préparés pour n'importe quelle concession que ce soit c'est aussi partie des 10 points qui sont sur la discussion et partie des statements que russia a déjà fait il n'y a pas de discussions il n'y a pas de discussions sur comment mais nous n'avons pas atteint ce point peut-être un peu naïve peut-être une question légèrement naïve de rsi mais vous avez juste illustré nous devons faire une démonstration nous devons être créatifs nous sommes là discutant et travaillant sur les propositions ukrainiennes ce n'est pas le problème le fait que tout est basé sur un proposement fait par président Zelinsky qui, bien sûr, le président russien n'est pas capable d'agir donc il ne devrait pas être un peu de modulation donc c'est souvent avec des questions naïves que la vérité est la vérité engager dans une discussion qui est proposée par l'une des parties bien sûr, l'autre ne peut pas être involvement mais ces 4 conférences vont nous permettre de atteindre un point de vue et nous pouvons faire des formes de discussion donc il y aura beaucoup de politique pour trouver une manière dans laquelle il y a un endroit ouvert et bien sûr l'advantage d'avoir completé la première fois la première partie du processus c'est que nous avons une meilleure vision de ce qui est possible ce qui est impossible et ce qui sera difficile d'achever et cela a très bien clarifié un potentiel et possible dialogue qui va s'émerger ces sont les steps de préparation pour nous permettre d'être prêts de bouger pas juste de plus de la même c'est la conclusion merci beaucoup Mr Federal le conseil du Fédéral merci beaucoup au Fédéral il y aura d'autres conférences d'autres conférences merci à bientôt