 Hopefully everyone is adequately fed and caffeinated and ready for another good day of deep conversations around my goal. One thing that happened as we were adjourning yesterday is Eric Wallace came for public invited to be heard and we had just adjourned. So I promised him, he had it already written out, so I promised him that I would read you his public invite to be heard. Mary, you're welcome to time me if you'd like. He asked me to read it in his voice. I felt like I needed a foot, also a height, but I also feel like that could be disastrous so I'll stay on the ground. So I promised him that I would read that for you first thing. So here's Eric's testimony. Eric Wallace 339 Pratt Street. As a father, I want three things of my offspring to be able to afford to live in Longmont. Let's provide the housing supply and types of homes needed to meet demand. I'm the employer of 60 people, half of whom live out of county. The farther they commute to afford to live, the shorter their tenure is and the less viable is my business. I would like as many of my people as so desired to be able to afford to live in Longmont. I am the co-chair of Prosper Longmont. We encourage you to continue to streamline the approval process for a wide variety of homes, make infill developments easier to build, and consider other innovative ways of reducing the costs of for purchase homes that our local workforce can afford. Building equity in the home builds sustainability and resilience for residents within a community. As a board member of the Longmont EDP, a group dedicated to Longmont employers and citizens that volunteer their time and invest their own money alongside that of the city to realize the advanced Longmont 2.0, the sister plan to our strategic comp plan and vision Longmont. I encourage you to embrace our approach of collective impact and the realization of the goals laid out in the comp plans. These plans are serious and well thought out documents that lay collectively developed vision for our future of our city. Tens of thousands of hours of people time from throughout the community were involved in writing these plans. We all need to stay focused on the strategic plans over an extended period of time in order to realize the vision of the community through your election has tasks with you with realizing. We are your partners in this endeavor. As a cyclist and a climate change believer, I encourage you to continue to invest in bike infrastructure and bike ability, walk ability, prioritize denser mixed use development along primary transit quarters within the areas of redevelopment. The only way that we are going to make bikes and transit a more realistic alternative to cars is to internationally build our city in a way that prioritizes multimodal transit and gives people a convenient option to get from where they are to where they want to be safely and in a reasonable amount of time. Neighborhoods and development and redevelopment areas need to be built with walk ability, bike ability, primary needs, proximity and availability and access to transit in the forefront. The way to developing successful transit systems is to put enough potential riders and amenities close to the stops of the system to make the system financially viable. Towns our size have done this all over the world. They are far more mixed use and densely built. We have way too much asphalt. Our current zoning laws in the county are frequently the downstream result of racist and economically discriminatory policies from decades ago. We need to consciously build more diversity into our neighborhoods and cities, mixing housing types, businesses and gathering spaces that increase social cohesion and foster inclusion and diversity throughout the city. Limon is a fortunate beneficiary of the excellent resources and infrastructure passed down from our forefathers. We are poised to build our community for the future and ensure future generations harvest the fruits of a collective vision that we can put into effect now. I will give those two so you can pick them up. Okay, for that speech that's kind of a good way to get started because today we're going to be talking about the goals that you discussed yesterday kind of helping to try to work through what the success looked like. And then we'll dive a little deeper into some specific topics around some of the environmental road maps and a couple of questions, other questions that you all have that we'll dive into. And that is the plan for today just as a reminder of a couple of things. You have a little homework yesterday and that was to take a look at the city's accomplishments in the areas of influence from the 2020 work plan developed in 2018. And to take a look and see all the great stuff that has happened. And you know, I sort of hate to negate the opportunity to celebrate those things, but my guess is that as you read through them yesterday you probably had a smile on your face recognizing exactly how far we have gone over the last four years. So I think that's great. We're going to talk about the vision this morning, start with the vision conversation, move into some of those goals around the focus areas you discussed yesterday. Then we'll start to talk a little bit about the road maps, the environmental road maps. And then at noon, exciting, we're going to give away a fire truck. So that's going to be fun. The sister cities folks will be here and we'll be able to, I'm not sure whether we're going to wait. Goodbye. I might just go around the circle because then they're going to stay for a while. But nonetheless, we're still going to give them a fire engine eight at noon today to our sister cities and suit up this month, followed by a lunch where our sister cities folks are going to join us. And then we'll wrap up any elements of the work planning that we haven't done at that point. So that's the plan for today. So do you want to get started on the vision? So we're going to be left off yesterday as we said, we wanted you all to look at the council vision that you all established in 2020. And really, this is more for you all to discuss amongst each other is, is this still your vision? If it's not your vision, what do you want to change? And just really, this is the basis for where we're going to go in the next part of the conversation. So I will turn it over to you all in terms of starting with the vision for people. Maybe we talked to her about the people vision. Are there pieces that are missing? And I think what I'll do is come out of presentation notes that there's some notes that you guys would like to make. I was just going to comment that 20 years probably needs to be a year. Because otherwise every year it's going to say 20 years. Yes, and the other one says it's 2040. I'm not sure how we ended up that way. I was there 2040. So I remember in 2000, yeah, I was on, I think I was on this ad by the end of 2020. And it was designed to have those conversations about seeing what they might do. And then of course, you know, we get closer to that. Every year I think, based on what Harold would say, in regards to the fact that there's only a year and a half of times that we didn't have some sort of major event happening. Since it is 10 years of being here in the city. It is important to always, and this is why this situation of us coming together in a retreat is so important. Because we need these opportunities to be recalibrated to people. And talk about what is working, what's not working and not continuing them. It's one of the critical moments of our community. But I think, you know, that vision statement there is a good one. Because it encompasses some of the things that our community is really committed to. And it's a very aspirational one. There are so many things that can be done. Would you like for me to add in 2014, that we are kind of consistent with the actual issues? Let's go ahead and talk about the place. Yeah, Mark, Mary, did you want to add something? Well, I was just thinking that regardless of what year council was with that, it would still be 20 years from that date. So, we go back and say, change what it is that we want that to be based upon where we're going on. Technically, environmental issues, but it would be 20 years from whatever year you want to go. Does that not push it out? Doesn't that keep saying it's 20 years, so you never go there? If it's always 20 years out, then it's not finite. Well, just a thought, and that's why I was thinking that maybe we actually achieve what's in our vision today. So, they might change what they are looking at from their vision. Just a thought. Do visions typically have a year on them? So, rather than saying we strive for long on to be the world's greatest vision, or long on thrives to be the world's greatest vision. I would argue that that's more standard for others. Because then it's your goal to have time there. Yeah, I just feel like then while we're doing it, it's just changing the date. It just looks like we're keeping a hand down the road. Exactly. So, Mark? I was about to say almost the same thing. Because it is a goal that you never reach. Your demographics change. The standard expectations for standard of duty change. Hopefully it will be. We've said increasingly long on becomes. And it will be. I think that makes a lot of sense because of course some people that vision may be true today. And so the concept here is to work towards making that future. I really think 2020 was all about having clear vision ahead of time. That was fun years was not a bunch of your vision. So much as it had a nice play on words about having clear vision. What about places? Before we go out. Yes, sir. In my mind, the vision statement, the vision is a description of a future state. So, tagging it a year on it for me is not a problem. It is because that's whether it's fully realized or not. But I don't buy the idea that you never achieve your vision. It might get clearer and clearer as you go along. But if a vision, no matter if we ever discuss a criteria or definition for vision, I'm not suggesting you do that. Just in my mind that is what we're doing right now is describing a future state that we continue to achieve. And then we got about goals and objectives. Yes, sir. That's why I'm saying that vision is off. So strive to believe. It's the vision statement. Who's the vision? Is that long gone? Is this? Yeah. Go ahead and take a read one more time. I like this. It just takes years off and time brings up. I have to say as a city staff person, this is such a beautiful vision. Because then it's just such a north star around what we're trying to do in the world. Well, when we talked about core services, how this applies to core services for us is really important. Because even as we look at core services we're referring to, or I refer to this vision to go, is what we're doing in this core service moving us in the direction of this vision. And if it's not, then maybe we need to relook at how we're approaching our core service so that it is a contributing factor to the vision. So you see a playbook place, not only in your goals, but what we do on a daily basis. To make that feel a little more inclusive, excuse me, would it be helpful to say we're all people? Because I'm thinking about putting on that equity and inclusion lens. How does it make sure it feels that way, as opposed to everyone? That all people, does it feel more inclusive to add that word? Rather than everyone. Yes. Or where people, where all people have access, I'm sorry, or somewhere in there. All people. I got you. Right here. There or sleep a lot. Because it's really about housing for all. I'm trying to think about how does that appear. Yeah. What I heard Susie say was do we need the word real? Yeah. Because we went from, in 20 years, this will happen to where the state of being is current. Well, people just have access. That's what's ended. Places. Where are we going? Everyone's good with that. I like it. You're going to do fist to five? What? You're going to do fist to five. Fist to five? No. I like it. Whatever. I like it. Everyone okay? I like it. I think places need to do these. Those are specific. You do have some more specific things in the places section. That's for sure. And just to use these point maybe is that Longmont has a development. It has developed. Yeah, it has developed. Fist to six to six. Is that a goal? It really has. Fist to six to six. What's up? They're not transportation. Don't look 15 minutes in. What? There's a group of people who think that this is an authoritarian. Black. Oh. To be able to get across the city. So just don't use that keyword. I didn't get across the city. That's not about getting across. It's about creating neighborhoods that are wonderful. You're never more than 15 minutes from walking, from whatever you need to live your life. That's the... You haven't been reading those? I haven't seen any of that. Yes. Okay. Is it sort of accessibility in a sense? Is that working a lot of things? So what I heard today is Dr. Cog is that we're talking about transit to your regional or that 15 minute. So it's called 15 minutes. You only have to wait for transit. That's the way Dr. Cog goes. So you're not sitting in a bus stop for half an hour? Is it makes sense to add transportation here at the beginning? And they're talking a little bit more about what you're thinking. What is your vision in that arena? My vision is that we have... I'm trying to get that into mindset of everybody. That transportation as we are building our cities, we need to have that at goal in places that we have transportation for everybody. I don't know how to say it. I think it's around the quality of life studies. So you do? Well, transportation is reliable. Yes. Transportation is something we want to work with, robust transportation. Because I think that's more in the quality of life section of the places that's where we fit in. The way that you end defines it is that you are within 15 minutes, even though we shouldn't say 15 minutes. Close proximity. Access or proximity to all of life's activities without the requirement that you're on the personal vehicle. Blockable proximity, same thing there. I think that may be too narrow when you take that because when you look at a transportation system that supports that, you know, when you think about the first and main transit scenarios, really, it's the hub and the conflict. That is... So you just focus on that. You're sort of dying down a level. And how do you stay up high? Can we say a transportation system that supports our quality of life? Is that an instance? Transportation options instead of a system because a system is not necessarily... That's prescriptive. That's right. Multinormal. There you go. Equalability isn't there. But it really addresses people at all stages. Opportunity for access as opposed to transportation. Multinormal also is prescriptive in its way. Take out transportation as that. Availability options. Availability options. Yeah. I'm not sure that you even need the access used to it because the idea is that... Impact. Yeah. That's probably why people with mobility options. Yeah, that sounds reasonable. And sustainability. Yeah. And joys. Of course. Sustainable mobility options. And renewable. You know. It's a joy. It's a joy. But it's renewable energy. Because we build our substance. It teaches you fast. Yeah. And better. Yeah. And all that. You know, as I think about our conversation on Division Zero where we're going, maybe it's... Quality of life includes mobility options. Safe. Safe mobility options that are not necessarily balanced because Division Zero is putting pedestrians and bicyclists at a higher priority than cars. Bringing some links in your first build can help with how we can save. Safe mobility options that prioritizes pedestrians, bicyclists. Yeah, I'm just trying to figure... One is to have the mobility option, right? Okay, so how can we do that? So, long as quality of life includes safe mobility options and enjoys 100% renewable power. There's so much more to the quiet and sustainability conversation. So, but the end of the sentence doesn't provide attention. Why is it respecting as opposed to addressing? That's what I'm looking for. Help me. Yeah, you respect the natural environment here, but you... address it. That makes sense. Well, you didn't say something along the lines of the class or the client initiative, so... Too much. There you go. That sounds good. Yeah, that covers the environment. You're generally shifting based on what you see in the environment. So, do you think that covers the environment as well? Okay, good. So, what are the taglines? What are the... Tagline. There are a lot of words in there. Words in there. Get us a tagline for both of them. Not right now. You know, certainly when I'm lobbying on your behalf, oftentimes the big topics that I'm talking about, for folks, you know, this council is very focused on transportation. They're very focused on, you know, environmental issues, but sustainability in the whole piece of it, right? So, sustainability has three pieces to it. There's environmental, there's social, and then there's economic, and it's the balance of those things. It makes it what it is as opposed to just... Right. But I think it was important to you all to put that renewable energy all right into vision because that was something big. We can maybe change the whole region. Yes. And I don't want to upset this apple cart because I'm really happy with what we've got here, but economic sustainability is not mentioned, and it's something we have to defend every day because a lot of people, when they don't like something that the city is doing, we're doing it for economic sustainability and that's not in their mental calculations. So, as we message, I'd like to make sure that economic sustainability is... It's core, it's part of the core, and nobody realizes that. Well, that's what it takes for all of this. Yes. So, can you put like the last rule here, the quality of life and economic sustainability includes sustainability options? Does that make sense? I like economic stability. Yes, stability. Stability or vitality? Vitality. And should that be the first sentence that's a little more global and then you talk more specifically about what's been done? Oh, that's a good idea because we're starting out with... Yeah, it's very specific, so maybe we need to talk about it. Yeah. It's really more... The last sentence is more aspirational in that. Yeah, versus personal specifics. Yeah. Yeah, you just need a space. There you go. About there. There you go. I've got a question on the long run, is there felt needs to... In my mind, I don't know what those needs felt. I mean, I came up with the word vibrant, inviting, living, community, corridor, and so forth, and I'm just like, what should help when I go out? I think that's the shift from, we'll do this to what we want to see in the road, David, I think that's a great catch. So we'll change that to say, if I have a vibrant history, yeah, I go to 66, a river quarter that stretches from sugar, no to fairgrounds. We have a vibrant leader twice. Yeah. And that feels like it's sort of a dangling modifier over here. I don't know if that's who we're talking about. It's a vibrant economic residential. You know what I'm saying? If you agree with this, it's not super clear. It's a vibrant economic residential culture we're talking about. Isn't it? But it should be a river corridor as an economic blah, blah, blah, that stretches. I think it's a modification of places. My opinion. Well, in fact, it brings better without the vertical, but then you can't put it on the main street. Yes. This was just a small thing. Yeah, something like that. It's a quality of life. That's not a bad thing. It's a capability option. And it does a 100% renewable power while addressing these kinds of climate change problems. Yeah. Transition from two to fairgrounds, as in the main street from Ike to 66, and a river corridor that stretches through a lot of the fairgrounds. That is... Does that make sense? That's one. An economic residential cultural and entertainment epicenter. And I don't know that we need this modifier here. Sustainable. Do we need the economic, the sugar mill part? Do we need to stay at home if we can? Since it's so difficult. No, because you've already said that you're going to include that in everything and it's a residential cultural and entertainment epicenter. I love that, by the way. It's very easy to, you know, attach to that as a city staff talking about this epicenter. I guess I'm wondering why do we have to remind people that it's Long Mine the second time in that vision state. Long, much more, why do we say that Long Mine has a, like, we just said, we have a long time. We have. We have. We have the Vibrating Street. Yeah, it's subtle. I think we just should change it to say y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Once your roots shoot as well, don't break me. Y'all. I'm starting to surround it, actually, right here. She's done it. In terms of key nodes, as opposed to all of the mainstream, all of that bird, all of the herons, like, maybe there's a way to be specific about it. You know, every stretch of mainstream isn't meant to be the same, but how do you, you know, the key nodes are there, transportation, transportation, all the things people want in the lost world. Can we use the word field? Don't be sure what you mean. You could just say a vibrant maze, a vibrant maze, three and a river, four roads are going back, five and a river, four and a maze. If you guys are interested, you can use the boundaries, specific hybrids, to see that, that it is, it's a market scan of that. So the fairgrounds is the end, or is it river to that, it's all the way to the airport road, that's not what it seems like, but you know, all the way to airport, may not be, it's available. So I'm sorry, I've got a little lost in that. What are the changes that you'd like to see? I was just wondering if it was necessary to delineate the boundaries. Because then you're not talking about the fairgrounds to the airport, you're saying the river corridor, you're not saying Main Street, is it needing back roads or 60s? The river corridor, and it currently is west of Boulder. That's right, the river corridor goes all the way to Lyons. It's all the way to Boulder. It's all the way to Lyons. It's all the way to Lyons. Maybe you could say our river corridor was not a focus, but I'm curious. Let me take out those qualifiers and see what you think. And maybe if there is, that's what you're saying about it. I'm just curious, from the previous initiatives, I've just heard a couple of words that are also referenced, and that was about bringing together private industry, local government, non-profits, institutions, blah blah blah, for the best prepared workforce in the US. That was part of places, I don't know if that's anything, and then of course references to the confidence in the performance center. So just a couple of things that aren't included in that, that were several ways, two places with performance centers. Oh, sorry. It says the vibrant Main Street river corridor that is residential and residential, that's it. And I think our environment was that, I think the environment was sort of not going to be the same with the river corridor and the residential, local because they're going to say you're going to be able to follow this over in the water. That's the way to do it. And we have these protections that are respecting the natural environment you know, with our coach, you can't get close enough to the river to make this. Oh, and maybe the place qualifiers helped out that, maybe I can drop the back ends if you think, because the other piece of it is that you're saying this is the piece we're about this time, and not every bit of river rain. It is this plan that we're referring to, so let me come back in here. I think that's what helps them because you're saying this is about this place, this is about this. You know, you can take a high-end library of 66 that they don't have to be perfectly symmetrical. Main Street is Main Street. So, just a thought that we're talking about a specific part in a place this point of the statement about connecting neighborhoods to places and corridors because, or is this the idea of the ability option? Well, that fits your question. Does this belong to places or is there another part? Mainly because, isn't this one a vision? Well, I was telling us that we need to connect or am I taking an ancient spot duty? My personal opinion is that we don't want to get too prescriptive in this. You just need a book to hang everything on. And then the other things, like the nature of the transit, can go into the work items that flesh it out and make it buildable as opposed to aspiration. I love this. I think it's better than the previous one that doesn't lose anything. Add some pieces. We can add the connected neighborhoods that we wanted to. Because we have, you know, like river corridors are some places we could just connect corridors. Can it be network corridors? I don't know. In our community it's good where you put it. Oh, I just told you that. She just did it. Does your hair lighter? If you're joking you could say that so that you stand right now. Do you want to community or neighborhoods? Yeah, because you can connect economic development corridors or business areas in our industry and our neighborhoods. I think you just said business. Because I think because I think that goes back with the transportation piece and the kind of anchor on person main problems for even the work we're trying to do on the rail. Looking at other transportation options that really is about connecting our communities. It doesn't sound right when you have ad enjoys. It has to be better is there's a vibrant main street in the river corridor that connects our community to a wild community. While enjoying. Options enjoy. Or maybe community period will enjoy. Or we enjoy. 400% Definitely different. Those are definitely different. Or it could say something like 100% renewable energy will power the community with constant consideration of climate change or some other ways. I know that's a consideration. I mean the plan is very active. I get where you're saying dramatic. For how about of climate change over time. There is a vibrant main street in the river corridor. This is too wordy. So long as quality of life and economic vitality includes capability options that connect our community. We enjoy 100% renewals out while addressing the effects of climate change over time. There is a vibrant main street in the river corridor that stretches from Sherwood to this residential cultural and cultural center. Which is across the river. Which is sustainable. That needs a verb. Valerie pointed out we don't need to say our vision is because it says work plan. It's a vision. Absolutely. Sorry. Sorry. My question is very classic. Natural environment. Is there a difference between climate change and on that and wildlife? I think that's why it's so important. It's all uncomfortable. We can't control our dollars. This week has some ability to make happen. We can't we have no control of records. No. We do have control over controlling that because if we create barriers to migration that's control. And respecting the natural environment is what we don't create. Yes, that. I think that's getting adopted. I don't want to say that. I'm just saying natural environment is I don't. So your question is on that. I didn't say it. I like it. It works. So just to kind of give you a sense the work that you all did in 2020 when you put this together for those of you who were here if you remember I think it took us a couple of hours. That was in 2008. In 2008, yeah. In 2020 we added a couple of words. People we added to reference to entire life were adults. We also added about 100% more energy. But in 2018 you remember it took us a long time to kind of get to this and I think now we're starting to see how we can just we're just going to tweak this as we're moving forward. That was really, it was really neat for me to watch you all move from this. Maybe it's just music and this is to keep breath, that was awesome. This is something that we should remember like when we go people ask me what's long life. Where's long life and everything and then this is something that is that a lot of people should be interested in. You can print a little business cards from back and everybody can, you know, like the Constitution. Yeah. I will tell you we just brought in Devoto communication company to kind of help us with our strategic communications and when they read all the information everything that online is doing all the different words and all these things both consultants were like high speed internet. Both consultants were like maybe we should be doing operations to long life. Yes, we think yes. So we can put the new one up on the lips like wide away, right? Yes. I will I will save it at the break Okay. Well, I mean I talked about this yesterday. So why are we setting these goals? It's really taking that looking at the vision and working on the short term where we're all in the same direction. I think that was the thing I talked to you all yesterday about my needs work and core operation is really being in lock step with each other in terms of are we growing in the same direction. Now that may mean at times that we think here's where we're going but the world changes around us and you have to adjust doesn't mean we're going to go perpendicular. It means we're going to go at a diagonal because we have to make adjustments On navigation. Pardon? On navigation. Yeah, it is. It's really and that's actually a good word. We're navigating what I said yesterday the tumultuous waters that we're all experiencing and I think we'll continue it also lets us get faster and we can build the accountability and when we have the focus we can get faster and when we manage what's on us then it lets us really get these things hard and fast but we can next year hopefully say here's everything in the jet because of the focus. So if the metaphor rather than rowing was similar like we're a crew even great navigators can make head waves stay on course at head waves right? Right. It adapted. Johnny's a rover and she is it Harold's the cop so he's pulling the cords to Steve. So after about an hour of me presenting to you all yesterday talking about the different challenges we have we ended with this slide and once again we can go back a little bit because we have more people in the room today when we said what are my operational goals I need to be focused on our core services addressing staffing challenges in the market and in making data driven decisions and project management I gave you some, I gave you three it's also having creating financial stability and sustainability for the organization being as efficient and effective as we possibly can but I didn't want to take up too much room in this and then we talked about based on what you all have already put in this what were my operational goals last week and what am I seeing in terms of the operational or you know so how do you see the future? We said housing which included housing authority because we can't entangle that from here and we can't entangle that from the organization because many of the same people are doing the same work. We talked about equity and sustainability and climate action obviously you see Steen downtown area Sugarville that is the tie end of your vision that you just talked about we could probably add Main Street on that too based on what we're working on in Kimberley transportation and early childhood As I'm thinking about this you all said let's work off of this today so we can really define what that's going to look like and how we're going to move through it and as I was listening to the conversations I think one of the things that we often struggle with as staff is we're moving through these topics is which one of these variables is actually the top priority and you heard you kind of heard me talk about that when we discussed housing to say what is our north star and what is going to be the primary if we rank these and rank order what is number one because there are a lot of times where these will start competing against each other from a time perspective from a financial perspective and we have to make choices How about to say we can make choices I think what we have is two priorities operational core services and everything else which is sustainable growth so rather than saying we're going to drop our childhood or drop transportation we need to keep them moving in lockstep even if it means we have to slow everything down because none of them work without the other one That's a good point I think what if we take the housing conversation yesterday I said who's all working on housing even though it didn't raise your hand virtually everybody's question so my question is if I get into a point where I have a situation from a capacity standpoint financial standpoint where I have a decision in the cooperation is it housing or is it steam but more clear I am in terms of your right priorities the easier it is for me to make those operational decisions real time because that happens I disagree with what Marcia just said about lockstep in there all the same for me I don't know how if we solve the housing problem without the child care that's an issue the whole question of what's a living wage and economic viability we've lost the second part of the major barrier of life those things I think have to go together and I think those things are more immediate we've got to continue addressing climate over the long run we're going to have a lot of control over transportation way more control more control over some of these variables than others and some of them are more urgent or I don't know viable to a fact in the short term than others in terms of the long run I want to understate the importance of either transportation or the environment but we have way more opportunity to make an impact on the other two in the short run transportation more climate change I think that it's a matter of how things are addressed I don't think that what Tim said actually contradicted what I said you may think so too but the thing is that if you don't provide all of the needs in the need of the basket then something's going to break and I think it's more a matter of approach I have the strongest memory of the first piece of actual operational instruction that I got from you the first thing you've ever taught me Harold was about public-private partnerships so some of these things are things that can only be done by the city the operations even now because of Tabor we've adapted to a model where infrastructure is inherently a public-private partnership and so we know it works we know that in some ways it's the only way we have to make forward progress so what we need to understand better is how we address some of these essential needs by bringing in the private as opposed to things that have to actually be run top down like next life and long life power and the water treatment systems and stuff that have to work operation because they are core but all the other stuff can be a partnership I think you can it's a different level of work and where it works sits and what you have to do so on developing public-private partnerships the front-end work is exhausted in what you have to do so it takes a lot of bandwidth on the front-end where it saves you from the bandwidth is on the back end but putting those together takes a lot of time so I can use the analogy on the on the housing work that we're doing the work that we've done on Christmas and on Virginia and however those are public-private partnerships of which we're not we're putting in a little bit of money but not a lot the time is required to develop those it is in the hundreds of hours in terms of building the financial package understanding the capital stack everything we're talking about so what I was trying to get at is the more I can understand how few of all we're seeing these lined up in I'm not saying to stop it I'm not saying to stop it but when we have three housing public-private partnerships or something that we're working on and somebody comes in because we see this all the time this is in your vision this is in your work plan you need to do this but we're doing a lot of things in your vision in your work plan and it would help me to work with everyone as if I understood at the $30,000 we're working on this so that as we're making real-time decisions and we have three housing projects going and someone comes in and said oh we want to do this at the sugar middle you know I can say I get it and we can do this but it's going to go slow because I need to go fast on these things and understanding that right order helps me make those base decisions that you reference I think we don't mind outside and that's why I wanted to have this conversation here because that's where we're struggling is the different rankings on the individual and I need a whole list of rankings from the council so then I know that I'm really addressing in order when there's competing issues there are times when we may not ever but at those times when I use your order Harold you're talking about these five between housing equity sustainability climate change transportation a lot of times we can sorry a lot of times we can figure it out when we're moving I mean you saw the downtown board where you had folks working but this was really a pinch for us there are opportunities that come around we can't not take because they're kind of Costco is a good example of that we knew what we were going to do we knew what we were going to get and they were really fighting against the lost recognition have we not taken that run with it at that point in time it's not like that opportunity will exist in the future it's gone so there's that piece of the decision making process of which we talked about that you all realize there are other times where we just get into these binges of we get this housing project done where we spend time working on this and understanding as a body where you all sit really helps this team inform our decisions in terms of any or when we're finished in our capacity I'm concerned with having the word equity appear on more of these right items especially not in the housing line item so you know all of the bullets under housing are directly related to quality of life equity and yes climate action is preservation of equity because the worst our environment is the less equity we have we don't have the agency to escape we'll sit in it um but you know all of it is about equity childhood action is about equity because I blocked whatever the school system would provide for my child but some people can't do that you raise a good point both equity and I mentioned that sustainability are woven through everything that we do so maybe this one really is more specific on how should we go on a climate change because the equity and sustainability should be you could actually move that into operational you could move that into operational but here's the difference when we talk about equity and sustainability is something we're working on operational we're talking about in terms of building in into the DNA of your organization so that it becomes part of everything that we do that's my operational goal what we're talking about is council in terms of equity and sustainability in terms of your council goal because mine is inward facing if you put equity and sustainability into it that's a different perspective you're also saying yes inward but also outward facing in terms of how we engage in the community and so there's the difference in terms of where that sits because if it's my operational goal I can go to the organization and say here's my goal, here's what we need to do I can't necessarily go to the community and say here's my operational goal because I'm not the policy you all are the policy so I'm not sure what you do by inward and outward I mean running this thousand person operation as an equitable and sustainable organization is one thing but that's very micro there are other operational things that's internal which shouldn't be accountable at all but we should be able to assume it but the equity, operational equity is stuff like the horizontal infrastructure is over and crumbier and less adequate to the future in the worst neighborhoods in the less at least economically viable neighborhoods that we have and that is a huge inequity because people will be left behind should that be part of our vision statement or something that is an overall statement right there it is a vision I don't think we need to keep that in everything that we grasp it's how we prioritize does it work okay like this what we're saying is equity and sustainability is not operational that's why I asked what that meant I think for me I'm just going to tell you for me even internally when I get into this what I can anchor on when I talk about equity and sustainability is not only is it my goal it's a council's goal because you get pushback on this and so I think not having that as part of your goals where just push it in the operational piece it does create challenges it also creates challenges when we're talking to community what are you doing and so I don't want to even if we ask for it in the operational piece but we just agree that that is both the city council goal and an operational goal because we do know when we talk about equity there are two pieces in this Carmen and I talk about this all the time I can work the internal side of it and really bring the training and everything to me there is going to be a point where we have to start working on the external side of it and I don't have that policy direction as part of this then that's going to be a bit of a rub down the break if you agree that that's not necessarily a title to be prioritized it is something that we need affirmation that that the city's council's policy needs to be suffused in everything that happens it's not a regular goal one but I just need to know you all are on board and this is also your goal as well as my goal that way when we hit those tension points you know it's that classic phrase when you go right behind you and then you turn around it's like whoa and that's part of why I wanted to dig into this because we all know where we are in what we're seeing nationally in these conversations and I don't want to outrun your influence if that's not something you want let's give Harold a thumbs up that we want that pretty sustainability route yeah this is two thumbs up I can know if someone's truly in without that it shouldn't be done in isolation it should be embedded in all that's what makes it tough it's not really breakable but it is and it varies depending on what the project is what you should do so another some other hands raised by your zone I've been running my arm here for years now you talk about it I'll check it out in the mirror for me I totally I felt from the beginning that equity should be embedded in everything that's the lens I'm looking for okay I mean that's what I thought was happening anyway as far as prioritizing housing being a sick mom my kids are older now thank goodness I don't have to deal with what younger families have to deal with with affordable housing being affordable child care I feel like that's equal coming from the perspective of a single parent you know you have to have affordable housing and you also have to have affordable child care as well to me they're on the equal plane like we should be bust and tail to try to make sure we don't accommodate our residents with that I don't know if I think that's for me that's priority I don't know if that's something we can say we have them equal like that but at least for the first priority for me I think we should go for a second or however you want to do it I'm just wrong with what I feel that's we should work on that's priority for me just so that we can get started on it because I know we're kind of going elsewhere so I know you have other stuff for us to do if we can have that discussion I would love to hear what my other councillors would like to say can you rank the others if you said housing and child care are equal yeah transportation for sure because that's another thing transportation and of course a hundred percent affordable all of that like Marsha said it all comes together but I know the priority so scheme the sugar mill is on the bottom for me because we look at essentials if you don't have okay so if I'm working and I need a place to stay that's affordable and the only place I can if I'm working live where I work and child care is too expensive but then my city is really encouraging me not to drive a car but then the bus system don't go everywhere I work we have a problem so how do we we need to address all those issues together so those are my priorities so thanks Shakira you said a bunch of what I was talking to I don't know how we can address housing which I think is the priority without addressing transportation when we talk about LHA and building residents residents is for people who either can't drive or can't afford to drive then we have to address transportation when we're talking about building an urban society and we do not address transportation at the same time then I think we are not building a holistic city so I disagree that this is out of our control I think that's a message that we have been given by other entities by states and counties that home rural cities cannot control because we belong in a district so some of these things I think we can work are being worked on in parallel not necessarily with the city doing everything for example childcare it's been worked on in parallel with and we'll see where it goes with asking for an urban childhood district it may not be something that the city has to put tie into right now but we need to support the effort that in parallel has been worked on the same thing might be so I think transportation needs to be looked up because we cannot again I know I'm beating the drum but we can't say it's out of our control we have to make sure that everybody in this county knows that we are going to take control over our city transportation and make it work so that the way we are building our city works and that is being worked on right now and being worked on in parallel so we just need to make sure that we are all on board that we're going to build this way we need to make sure that we can travel this way the other things that I think scheme basically is kind about the city council's control that should be up to the staff where that is prioritized if you have the time to work on it then do it but if you don't these other things need to be prioritized so for me it's housing front and center along with transportation and support the childhood parallel path that is going to try to go on will it be helpful when I said about what we have to control their minds about those aspects of transportation they're more like RTB right but we do have a lot I'm talking about far more broadly so it would be helpful for me to kind of tease out which part of the transportation solution we control and the fact that the budgeting are actionable for us those things that we don't have a lot to do but so I just want to acknowledge there are things but I think Joan is right the picture is changing there but what I was trying to say is that there are things that we can let go of by changing the control points and things that we can't so for example we prioritize early childhood by backing discussion districts because we already don't do a huge amount of actually doing the work we fund and we engage with some independent agencies that provide oversight is that kind of a correct model we have organizations that are not city operations that keep us informed of where the pain points are and that is a whole different thing than something like next life where we put in the infrastructure and we run it and we enhance it and we do all of it so maybe before we prioritize when we should be we should put these things in two columns you know, honestly Steen is the same way we enable those things to happen but then somebody else has been actually not doing it there's a lot of problems on developments that have established the model I guess that was my point if you feel you don't care about to do that for me that has to go down I just had a thought about sustainability and sustainability throughout as a major one should then housing and all these kind of shift to the right because they're all going to fall under that because that's the concept what I'm saying generally throughout Israeli the analogy I use is the organization is embedded in the everything we do it's a lens so the analogy I use when I'm talking to the organization I'm looking at Carmen to do a lot of this together the analogy I use in the organization it's like if you've ever seen National Treasure so the conventional cranking glasses where you have the different lenses it's where you always have the lens of equity and sustainability over your glasses no matter what we're doing person from the center DNA becomes practice it becomes automatic in what we do just like it's automatic for efficiencies and effectiveness that's what everybody tends to focus on this is really creating that automatic response of how is this addressing equity how is this addressing sustainability so that seems to me that under common everything should shift to the right even under the operation based on what you just said seems that that would be logical then with everything with people in the operational side then assuming it should fall into that sustainability based on that you're looking at that point though because we're talking about the goals think about equity, sustainability is there a way that each of us operational owners should come back and say here are our goals, here's what we're going to implement because I think we need to be very specific about it or what's the jewel the work we're just kind of wondering why I need you to do it this is really a big help to me because then I'm going back, we're not doing this we want equity we want equity and sustainability but I cannot work with these folks and go alright we're doing it but here's what we're going to do and when I get pushed back I get pushed back it's not over my goal as the city manager it's the council's goal and my job is to make sure your goals are addressed and that gives me that helps me when I'm having this conversation I'm going to kind of help you a little bit and I'll have a thought I'll have a thought I guess, is that I don't know if I break them by importance because they're all very important I break them based on how much can we affect versus the need to work with a private partner for instance the scheme down today that's had legal lines on down partnerships and seems to be more the flexibility to address when more comes along versus housing we're now obviously LHA is much more under review the commission which is more internalized in the city I think as we talked about early childhood there's opportunities but again that's a lot of partnerships that we have to control so with transportation I think that there are opportunities to bring things in internal to the organization in the sense that some of the most connected municipalities out there are part of multiple authorities to get the holistic system to work so they'll be a part of the regional district like we are but they'll also have the certain things that are operated at a more municipal level for an intercity travel and so I think there are opportunities for us it's going to you know those guys in services for free obviously there will have to be something unlike our current fair buyout that we're doing with RTDA I think we'll have to go back to charge repairs for these things but you know that I think the opportunity level there to have internal control over a significant section of our state of the building options could prioritize that depending on council direction I suppose so that's kind of I would rate based on how much control we have over or how much control we must take because the privatization still has brought in that's located to the quite innovative private providers that we could partner with other RTDA new rules that we really haven't seen yet but you guys are often behind so you know we can make that easier require less oversight by the city versus the waste water system and no one's going to do that for us we have to use a stick to get builders to start it off right so those things are always going to be either labor-intensive for the city even when we try to push it out on to the land owners how it works so I think that Aaron and I are on the same page on that we should rank these things into columns versus about labor-intensive and requirements for control versus our ability to let go of our way home anything you're getting at some of it? I know now that I'm rethinking because I was looking at priorities but Aaron had a good point about so like I'm thinking about steaming that is heavily dependent you're not actively going out there and seeing this group it's really that partnership so that's kind of dependent even my priorities are housing child care and then but it is it's hard to rank because they're also very important and depend upon each other let me think about it this way because we do move these things mm-hmm all at the same time if one of these came against another and I go to you all and say we're not mm-hmm which one do you want me to focus on? um which one would you want me to focus on? I think it would be good for me upon how much traction you made in each area in the economy in whatever the opportunities the opportunities um the other thing is there's this idea of enabling that I don't think is being given up so for example housing we focus money and supervisory time and stuff on housing if at the same time we get the planners are saying well almost everything is mixed use you could have some corner stores you could have restaurants and little entertainment things like arcades anywhere in the housing neighborhood as long as in a way it's not going to break the neighborhood then the private sector will come in and ensure that we have a certain aspect of livability in our neighborhoods um whereas if we have really rigid um zoning like single family you don't get that when you get food deserts you get automobile dependency and all that stuff so using broader zoning philosophies we can let go of some of these priorities and it will happen by themselves because we create opportunity I see all of these group of ladders on the wall some are further along to the top of the the roofline than others and when you come we can create this aspect of it that seems like a good priority goal to be in that sense that's why I I kind of think that what is further along but is in our ability to actually to finish it or to conclusion on at least one of the projects it seems to be a good way of approaching it and that is to deal with housing and affordable and and also transportation maybe thinking outside the box on uncertain things and recognizing uh you know what is going to be attracted to the populations along the board what seems to not be so attractive to the population um again I want to stress I think everything should fall under the equity and sustainable throughout even your operational aspect because it sends a strong message because it sends a strong message to every employee from the assistance of the managers down to the new hire and it also sends an outlet message to all of the folks along the that we're going to do that in a time when that has been sealed for a lot of communities where they have forgotten about that and themselves in a lot of trouble over that that should be the one thing that as you said runs throughout the whole whole program here and so I would put that above operational again shift everything to the right and then talk about the priorities within that scope because everything is about equity and sustainability throughout I agree but it also sends a message to any commercial entity that wants to enter our city this is what we focus on throughout everything so when you want to enter our city this is priority for us and everything you have to do what you want to do about it so we have a little bit of time left for Jim for a little bit of her housing I'll reiterate I think I've heard echoes of what I've tried to say earlier in terms of how much control we have those things that we can do something about part of my frustration for example with the one who said we go with an energy goal not that that is a righteous goal but as I recall some as we saw the other night a huge percentage of what we're going to be able to accomplish in the last two years is totally dependent on the RPA so not that we wouldn't you know focus on this but if I had to make a choice between housing and child care and I think I would make the case again everything we talked about in terms of equity housing and child care and I would discount transportation the three biggest differences we could make in terms of equity more equitable community we won't stabilize economically viable we're not going to stabilize the workforce we're not going to see the kind of economic development we'd like to see we don't solve or at least make progress in the housing and child care and there's tons of data to support that so in terms of the right order I kind of I steam as much as I love the visioning process those are totally kind of opportunistic I agree with gentlemen we don't have a lot of control but I do think we ought to have a sharp vision so when somebody brings a proposal we can both signal what that is when somebody brings a proposal we can make decisions relatively quickly about does it fit or not it doesn't come back later when you have something that aligns with what we expect but the basics for me are really clear and I understand if this conversation goes back to some degree what you suggested at the end of your presentation or at some point about organizing the bandit or permission to stop doing some things this teases that I hope teases out what you're able to say to us or to somebody else actually here's what I heard when you were talking housing childcare transportation the others are there we can continue working on those and I have the ability to then come in operationally here's where we are here's our capacity with those three sitting at the pinnacle of what we need to focus on is that a fair statement that you all agree with thumbs up sort of well so we've sort of come to the idea of cross-cutting attributes we don't do anything without preserving equity and sustainability as we do it and I would like to add climate action to that it's a cross-cutting attribute and I would also like to add vision zero as a cross-cutting attribute you know because safe is the main attribute of the trends and priority which is an activity that the city does so you get this and climate is the same way because because there's such an equity penalty to ignoring that you know not to mention the whole thing of future generations but for people alive today there's such an equity penalty to do it so I think Harold you've got an apron and you've got the ways that the city how much control the city must exert but then you've got this paradigm or framework that everybody who comes in and works with us has to it has to apply but I think it's how and how we do things and it's a why but it's not a what and the goal should be a what and I think as we get into now diving into these individually we can get out because I'm going to bring some tensions of kind of play within these individual goals when something's cross-cutting within the goal itself where you start choosing because there are choices in this and we have to go to the next section of the example I'll give you you can build a hundred houses and you bring in some of these components in terms of you know renewable energy and distributed energy and it takes it from you can build a hundred units or you can't build a hundred units just because of what happens what starts waiting for us as we're looking at housing projects and there won't be choices in that and remember the SES you know you've got away and if it's a difference between you can't build it without it's being sustainable then maybe you have to build it anyway but if it's a distinction between 98 units or a hundred units but we don't ruin our demand profile on PRPA build the 98 okay yeah I'm talking the extreme okay okay alright well why don't we go ahead and take a 500 rate our next conversation will be we dive into the way that's around electrification climate emergency work and other renewable energy so I'm going to have a bunch of presenters that will be coming up so go ahead and take a little break okay so we're going to continue on with the agenda for our retreat but one thing I'd like you to think a little bit about is now that you've given you know certainly that was a great conversation by the way around which things need to happen what things we have control over which things we just need to seize opportunities around but I'd like for you to think a little bit about what does success look like what does success look like in each of those five areas so now you have these five areas housing, early childhood, transportation the 100% renewable energy climate action, beneficial accumulation and Steve what does success look like we're going to come back to that but we're going to actually start with the 100% renewable energy climate action beneficial accumulation because that's where our tent is that we're going to go on so I'm going to turn it over to Susan and Lisa who are going to give you a presentation at the end of that presentation and depending on how time it looks like I'm going to ask you what the success looks like in this area first and transportation which is also part of the presentation and we'll come back to that so we may flip around a little bit we're going to make sure we're accommodating a giant fire truck you know, renewable all this but I would like that's what I'd like for you to kind of start to think about in your minds as we move forward okay Lisa I'll turn it over to you and Susan alright good morning Mayor Peck and members of council Lisa Novak sustainability manager with strategic integration I'm here today with my colleague Susan Bartlett from LPC and we're going to be getting into the climate emergency resolution and resulting road maps and work that have come out of that I know that the sound can be kind of weird in here so if you all can't hear me at any point in time please just wave or holler at me so just to quickly ground us in the foundational components of the climate emergency resolution which as you all remember was passed in 2019 the primary focus was really taking immediate and accelerated action to the rest of the climate crisis and council appointed the climate action task force which was responsible for developing the recommendations to accelerate climate action and it also called for engaging frontline communities in the planning decision and implementation which happened through the just transition plan committee which ran concurrently the climate action task force came up with their recommendations in the six topic areas here which we went over a little bit on Tuesday with the foundation being equity so really that understanding that all of our climate action work has to really consider and look at the equity impacts as well as the opportunities that we can build into all of this work and then all of those recommendations came together to be the climate action recommendations report this is just a quick refresher what you all saw on Tuesday so when we talk about accelerating climate action that's looking at the two components reducing our greenhouse gas emissions so we went through on Tuesday the results from our 2021 inventory showing that our primary emissions come from electricity natural gas and transportation so that's really what we'll be focusing on today and then also the adaptation side to making sure we're preparing our community for the impacts of climate change this is just a slide to show that this work doesn't happen in isolation and a lot of the conversation you all were just talking about speaks to that that there's a lot of work that's housed in these various plans that's taken on by departments across the organization so one of the foundational plans being Envision, Long Lawn, the Comprehensive Plan that has the primary tenets of sustainability and resilience obviously the sustainability plan which includes all of the recommendations from the greenhouse gas report and also the transportation roadmap which we'll talk just a little bit about briefly shortly the report which overlaps with a lot of work the work from the sustainability plan and one of those recommendations specifically was the beneficial building electrification plan which Susan will get into shortly and then of course one of the driving goals really being that transitional 100% renewable electric energy supply between 30 so that one I'm going to hand it to Susan to get into those items and then we'll start the clock so we have that Council member Susan Bartlett and Director of Energy Strategies and Solutions at LPC thanks for letting us talk today it was good and interesting to hear your conversation about 100% renewable electric supply it's important information for us but I just wanted to talk a little bit about that and where we are and how it supports some of the things that Lisa talked about this is the ability plan and the climate action recommendation report and it's going to take a concerted effort for us to achieve this goal and part of that is intrinsically related to the first goal for 100% carbon free electricity by 23 and I just wanted to bring to your attention some of the things that are underway at that utility scale level with new solar coming on board at Black Hollow that's in Welk County there's also an RFP that's out for utility scale solar and storage they're looking at other evaluation tools around how to use storage and where is the best place to put that looking at potential wind projects and interestingly and probably more effective for us because it all ties together but they're doing a potential study looking at the impact of distribution of energy resources and power and battery and all of our devices as well as the added load of electric vehicles and building electrification so they're doing a potential study both at the generation scale and also looking at some distribution level impacts and then we'll be doing some forecasting we will work closely with them on that. Platt River is also getting ready to join the Southwest Power Cool Energy Market and help us with resiliency and to manage a dynamic supply in the future so we're excited about that and all of the things over here on the left I think this is a yes and endeavor. I just lowered the lights so people can see in the back I didn't want to stir you or think something had happened all good thanks so Platt River is working hard on its end we have to do our part and the things on the left are kind of the big categories of areas that we're working on the 100% renewable goal as well as reducing greenhouse gas emissions so I wanted to share some things that we're doing locally in addition to what Platt River is doing we are talking with Platt River about areas on our distribution grid where we might locate battery storage to help with some resilience and help us to learn how to use that technology we're looking at an RFP for solar on city facilities this year we keep hearing more and more about other opportunities where we have to use satellite benefit from solar and we continue to develop a model for a subscription service for a community solar here in Long Island I wanted to bring up the solar and storage that's the least water treatment this is a project that actually includes energy efficiency with some new equipment that's going in, new glory equipment that's going in, plus solar plus storage and at the city facilities that we get to benefit from all the data and all the learning that's going to happen here Darrell and his team at LPC is working on a smart grid roadmap and what that's going to do is help us kind of understand our own distribution grid a little bit better as well as understand the impacts of these distributed energy resources that are going to come onto our grid in the future and making sure that we understand what the two strengths are, but we also understand what the potential is this summer also we're going to look at rates through a little bit of a different lens we want to be able to equate the value of solar energy system the value of the man and the response what people can provide some variability in their use of our energy and determine rates that support and promote programs that help us manage our load a little better but we also want to make sure that we're being equitable in how we distribute our rates among all of our rate classes and that's kind of a big deal this summer and then I wanted to talk about locally installed solar so this isn't city owned or LTC driven it is our customers who are putting solar on their properties currently well at the end of 2022 we had about six night lots of installed solar and that's just an herb if you don't think about this stuff all the time but I think what's interesting about 2022 is we had 54% increase over all the previous years that we've been tracking so there's definitely interest and there are extended federal incentives and there's just a lot of information out there about installing solar and we want to make sure that we're working with these customers as they are interconnecting with our grid and then I wanted to wrap up this slide just by saying that we have not forgotten energy efficiency that's kind of core to everything that we're working on if we don't use it we don't have to generate it which helps us with our goal and I did want to take the opportunity to talk about the beneficial building application plan so council accepted the plan in October and wanted to give you a heads up of where we are and some of the strategies in the plan and also just remind you Lisa had this slide before to talk about how all of these plans kind of play together and support one another and this is part of the climate action recommendations report as we built this plan also I want you to think a little bit about the pie chart that she showed where our emissions of our emissions is related to energy use in buildings and so building electrification and energy efficiency in a way that that part of that pie so with 13 strategies in the plan the nine that are in blue here are strategies that we're working on diligently and we have short term goals that we're working toward with those the four yellow on the bottom we haven't forgotten about they're important but they have a little longer runway so we're staying plugged in regionally on what's happening in these areas so we can react quickly if we need to but we're really focusing on this top nine real quick on the note of low interest financing Sandy and I we're in a meeting and Joni was in a meeting and there's a local someone locally that is starting a project to deal with this issue and I'm scheduling a meeting so that may be something that our other discussion means that they can pull that off just having as part of our conversation it would be great to would that mean that if a private program took that over that it wouldn't be a constraint on our customer management system the way we have been assuming that it is it's too early to tell it was just their saying it's a possibility I just wanted to throw that out here because to our other conversation that may be something that we don't necessarily take on but we partner and that reduces the workload so I don't want to go through each of the 13 because we don't have very much time today but I did want to talk about the highlight provide some highlights and things so I'm particularly excited about one is the electric grid evaluation as you all know we have this new infrastructure being deployed this is going to provide us with data we've really never had before about our distribution grid about how our customers use energies about how we may be able to deploy distributed energy resources in a way that is helpful and going to require some mitigation so this is really important in terms of how we move ahead as well as managing an increased load of electric vehicles outreach and education this is true for anyone that you have one of the most important things is you help people understand what your plan is about and what you're going to do and what you're going to do I think what feels complicated to me about education and outreach right now is there's so much information out there I'm submersed in this on a daily basis and I just feel like it's kind of in every direction I don't know how that's happening in general but there's just a lot of information about what we need to be doing now guys where there's money where there's not money who's eligible for what there's a ton of stuff so we're trying to gather this information and condense it into a format that is a little more digestible that can help consumers navigate that decision making process a little bit better and it has to start with this education and how does it apply to my space and I afford to do it and what are the resources and what do I do next so we're trying to narrow the pool of information to make it more useful and we're able to do that with some of our partners like efficiency works and some of the efforts that are going on at the region and at the state level there's so much happening in this space that sometimes regionally and at the state level it adds more confusion so again we're trying to kind of condense what's available program collaboration we talked about partnerships earlier this is really important for anything we want to do on the electrification front our partner for rebates is efficiency works they're part of Plot River so and they administer rebate programs for us and for Collins level in this park as well and they've made huge strides just in the past six months I'd say in really putting electrification at the top of their programs primarily their residential programs so a lot of this new stock focused on electrification is going to go live April 1st and that's going to include advising that really does delve into electrification what is it? How can I do it? Does it make sense for my house? Does it not make sense for my house? I had a contractor tell me this but then I heard this other thing so they're building that into their advising for consumers they're also really beefing up the incentives for equipment that we can provide like heat pump, space heating heat pump, water heating insulation because we want them to do that first and that's another key with the advisors is that building electrification really isn't going to work if we get it wrong out of the gate by not having any efficiency and building envelope complement to go with it we have to do the Montana otherwise people are going to have bad experiences on something that's kind of expensive we're also continuing to work with Boulder County they have their own set of incentives and well since you interrupt I was trying not to but are we sort of meshing with these two agencies as far fulfillment or are we going to try to push Boulder County to the side and completely work with efficiency work so how does that work because they offer some of the same services the way that it works in Longman is a little bit muddy for consumers sometimes because you can start with Boulder County or you can start with efficiency works but what they try to do is their advisors try to coalesce the program so by the way you can get this from us in Boulder County but you can also do exact resources from the efficiency works and that's what we're going to have to do with the state as well the state will have a rebate program it was supposed to come out mid-year it looks like it's going to be the end of 2023 or the beginning of 2024 because the money is coming slowly from DOE and so we want to make sure that whoever our advisors are that are talking to customers understands how to connect all the dots on all the programs that are available building codes related to electrification are an important component and Longman is a participant in the regional code cohort we're going to have final recommendations from the cohort later this spring those are going to move through our code process and we'll be brought back to council later this year and then I wanted to end on something that I think is really exciting and Lisa is leading this collaboration and it's a collaboration sustainability Longman Power Communications Housing and Community Investment Longman Housing Authority Efficiency Works and potentially Energy Outreach Colorado in areas where that's going to make sense and the objective of this demonstration is to take a whole home approach to improving income qualified residents and so what we're looking to do is address health and safety in a home accessibility in a home efficiency and below weatherization those kinds of things and then we want to work and we want to do this in several different housing types so that we can get those types of situations so we're looking at small family we're looking at mobile homes and we're looking at single family homes that come in through our rehabilitation program in the city it's an opportunity for us to get some data we know it's going to be expensive but it's not expensive how much does it cost bring home to that healthy place all around that's operationally sustainable over time so we're going to be gathering cost data we're going to be gathering workforce data if we want to do these big projects do we have the available labor to come in and help us get this work done and then also if we want to be able to scale it what does it take what resources do we need and for the for the demonstration we're applying for energy efficiency community block grant funds to help us along with the Boulder County sustainability tax funds and some LPC dollars we're also looking at whether or not this would be a good fit for the Department of Energy buildings prize so again looking for a little bit more funding that we can build moments with and I'm pretty excited about that these are all building related and that's that big piece of the pie but Lisa's also going to talk a little bit about transportation Susan could I just point out one thing in terms of the housing imperative this is a bigger piece of it than it sounds like because all of these lower end housing existing that need to be fixed those buildings will become unlivable if extremely gets much worse and that means we've got more housing to build so it may be expensive to change to fix those buildings but it's probably cheaper than building new ones so sorry thanks Susan and so lastly I just want to touch on that equitable carbon free transportation road map so as you all remember from the graph really electricity natural gas and transportation are our biggest sources of emissions this was passing 2021 and just a reminder of the purpose of this document wasn't to set new goals or identify new recommendations it was really acknowledging we have some pretty good plans on how to how to reduce emissions from the electricity natural gas sector we have a big chunk of emissions from transportation and we have some goals around reducing our transportation emissions this was really to look at all the recommendations from the sustainability plan from Envision Longmont and how can we prioritize those not only for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector but also for those equitable outcomes and it was looking more broadly at transportation not just EVs like an EV ready midst road map because we recognize that we really have to have a robust transportation system that really makes it easy for people to get out of cars through walking and biking and rolling and access to transit and all of those things all of the things that you all were talking about earlier and then also electrifying our transportation system whether those be personal vehicles, car share other mobility options transit all of those sorts of things so I just wanted to remind folks that we have this as well we're working through this of the transportation road maps and then we have a big opportunity this year as Phil and folks are going to be updating the transportation mobility plan and this will be rolled into that and we'll be working with Phil on that as well I lost my ability to advance for some reason there we go, okay you also have a slide on Tuesday this is just a quick synopsis in terms of how are we doing in implementing the recommendations from the climate action recommendations report so this shows the work that's underway that we've talked to you about quite a few of these things as I mentioned on Tuesday the one area we're kind of behind in the outreach because of some staff sort of turn over that we've had so with that, I'm going to hand it off for questions and discussion could you go back to the previous slide because we didn't have a chance to read it thank you those questions at least the green means progress very cool I'm going to take you to the museum for the big picture climate action lecture series it was great yeah, it's been really great so I guess I should have a green star there I'm missing that one more green stars better than a gold star a green star alright council so we're going to have pulled into what you guys have been talking about talking about at this point so when you think about this work what does the center care that is my care I'm loving the trees and the park he gets excited when I put photos I do too, I think it's adorable emerging star that's for sure so let's go back to this conversation that we started with so what does success look like you just heard a great presentation of the road maps and how they're all working towards these goals what does success look like in this particular area there's no right or wrong answer we're just going to bring some which one do you want the last one not the cute baby he is baby now it looks like you went to your presentation Sandy yes I have a question it's there you know we're bringing out this smart meters plan and do we have any concerns around unidentified ad use and how they will be impacted and how that will be our response and it's definitely kind of a different area to ask I would say so our data for the leaders who are causing this so we have identified whether it's a but it might have an address that would that would always be separate of the AMI because basically it's on meter swap versus swap versus some other change I think if something already had an AD we wouldn't be able to see the difference if all of a sudden and you can probably see the difference now if all of a sudden you see a significant shift and you don't know what's going on but I think we can see that now a little different it's typically customers who bring that to our attention when they go what about those but it may be easier to see it once we do it than I don't know what I necessarily show is something that already exists right and at a point we still have monthly data now which will have this frame where we associated with a lot of all programs and policies and other things that we're trying to move forward in these roles was there a specific concern? I was just curious because all of a sudden it comes out and people are like what we're keeping it kind of under their hat they were enjoying the profits from it and everything and now I can see a little bit of stress in the community around some of these just because maybe that's some stress that people bring on themselves but nevertheless stress that might be something that we just need to it's by the simple it's a swap it's not the we need to we're going to take you back to the question oh well I think it's posted to what we have here when we were working on that stuff there was the difference between the goals of this council and the council that I served on in the past and how dramatic they really are and if they were looking at the country at times sometimes people get thinking that somehow they're not getting the services that they want or are expected in their direction or think that we're moving too fast in it in a climate awareness mode and I'm a little concerned about but all this effort in and everything could have something change there and then drop it it's a there's this idea that somehow you can be orange and it's good for business and community it's also good and also good for the environment they don't have to be opposing odds to each other they can be that would be fair to say that success to you is following the climate action the climate action task force is continuing on the path I would say so and achieving well first of all I would like to say that this was a really well-structured presentation and I'm feeling well I'll do this too but you know it's not my goal but I would point out that it's really clear from the way he's going up that this is a cross-cutting effort that it touches everything we do now as long as we adhere to that I think that that minimizes the effort Harold for all of the different pieces because these things if it's just becomes a cooler system it's pulled down into the core as it's clearly being done here and that helps us in terms of operational efforts it does there are some pieces in here where that still shows itself you know as I was looking at this in terms of building go changes you know that's been operationally in the core where I have to get involved in terms of capacity because we have eight building inspectors that have to manage the full code that have to be part of the process because there are the ones that have to interact with the public and so when you hear us say more we can align this when we do a full code it's easier that's me to what we talked about yesterday because they still have to process what's coming in and have their core work that they have to do and so that's where you're seeing management coming in to what they're doing as we're looking at the system as their core so there still are pinch points in this that will show up based on what other folks are working on this is a question of what before somebody else gets before that I've asked before and maybe this has changed because of the constraints that other municipalities are under financially are there any more availability of consultants to rectify the kind of code changes that we need because we're touching land use we're touching electricity and building codes and there's we're preparing for a little lightning round and there are so many places where codes are intertwined that would be great if it doesn't help on that there are some it doesn't necessarily limit me this is another example of public-private partnerships it doesn't necessarily it may save us a little time it's not a lot of time it's filled up because we still need the right staff to manage it so it depends on how you approach it for our fellow consultants it's not as simple as you bring them in because they don't know the nuances whether we have to deal with them if you let them go to on their own we always end up finding we have to back up so I think that's a piece that it doesn't necessarily relieve it it may relieve it a little bit I will tell you in some cases it's at work we're going to go out to bring the consultants in because of what we have to do so it's a piece of the puzzle that we're constantly working on how we approach it but I think we do utilize these consultants in this I do want to just say on the code piece that's part of why we participated in the dola code cohort process because that was grant funded to bring consultants in to develop essentially model codes for the whole county that we were a part of including folks from building building inspection and BLOSS and that from that team have been part of that process to bring the nuances of our community into that conversation but then once those recommendations are finally as we will go through our regular process to make sure that the final outcomes are aligned with the needs of the community so that was essentially a consultant that's been helping develop those things and of course when we talk about that aligning round you can always toss that on it's a brainstorm right and so there's no reason that you could stand that as part of the brainstorming process and shall we just point something out that we also have to large because we think we're the only one of the 21 code so if the cohort is almost the 18 codes, 15 or 18 codes, we're far ahead so what we also then have to watch is what are they putting in and they are being coded because we're a step ahead of the other communities. That's been a concern of mine because the dola recommendations are ours when there were there were two phases to that so one of which was a requirement to get all the participating communities on the 2021 code because a lot of them aren't and have certain strengthening amendments and then the second was a top two net zero by 2030. That's your new construction by 2030 and that's the next round of recommendations that will be coming up a little specifically at some additional solar elements as well as the building electrification and then some other. So aren't we seeing that the new construction work coming in now? Maybe not net zero because you know because windows and insulation and stuff like that. But there are already coming in all electric so. I haven't seen the new I don't think the newest codes are out yet for 2024 so I don't know I'm not asking what codes are and asking folks to develop the building electrification. There are projects coming in that Darrell and I have the one that is all electric utilizing solar and heatpots so we are seeing folks coming in the system even though the code doesn't require if they're coming in with that if you look at other companies some of those companies are making it a part of where this is just probably business so we are seeing that change. Yeah so I'd like to just get it out there so some of these like new gas lines could be much earlier than the code in the code then go around for a whole future. Here. So I agree with the climate connection recommendations. I understand the challenges but the education and outreach is very very very very important because when I got on the council Susan broke it down to me and we had a meeting and there was so much that I learned just although we had a one-on-one she spent time with me but I learned much more about why it's so important you know because as a single mom working two jobs you know you can't word about life and paying bills and taking care of your kids and your family and so the big picture right that's so important for our community to understand and then I think that they will buy into it and follow the instructions and the recommendations they're going to ask you. So I do understand the challenges but that is really really key in order for the community to buy into all the way asking all of you know that this we believe that this all of this is better for the future of our city but not everyone will understand there because what's going to happen when all this is implemented we're going to have so many people come to the council and say they didn't know this was happening and so that's why education is so important in our community so I definitely agree with all the recommendations great presentation and also on to the state I just really really emphasize the education and outreach So if you want to be fair to say that success looks like all I understand what's the state what they can do what else does success look like for the council so I also agree with your question and thank you for this presentation it really spelled it out for us much more than I understand as far as the education and outreach I I'm wondering if you would consider any of the items who is going to do a PRPA presentation as well and maybe we can do your big picture of the PRPA and then how is it where can we be locally where are we going how is it marrying each other and is that the presentation he's giving to council it's going to be community I'm adding into the success that she said correct the other thing of the land use water I'm also in favor of the agriculture and then monitoring over time when you go down downtown if you could as you get into that make sure that the residents know that there's alternative transportation so we have local alternative transportation because you can't park here which way but there's no other way to get downtown so I think we could work together and sell that I think it's a really monitor section so Marcia I want to make sure I caught because I think maybe this is an okay way to put what you're talking about is rectify it's not the right word to well rectify is I guess too technical a word to make all the effective codes consistent so rectify is the right word but it might not be understood so it's like the case where using low roads is good I wanted to ask because I think I'm in favor of extending agriculture so I also remember on the climate action task force there were big discussions about what that means it does not necessarily need bivor open space so can you explain what that really means yeah my recollection of that one and I'm going to apologize I don't have all of these as committed to memory as I did a year or two ago but was looking specifically at making sure our zoning codes allowed for small scale agriculture production and one of the reasons why there was a lot of conversation that's got put in the midterm is because a lot of our planning folks felt like we did already have a lot of that in place and so we just needed to do some additional research to understand the intent of it to make sure that we have everything in place already and to see if there was anything additional that we needed because there currently aren't any options that say you can't do backyard agriculture there are certain things in place around even having you know beehives and chickens and all that kind of stuff so just read the dates and make sure we understand what went with that kind of thinking this word is really bad I won't say that because if it's what you can do in your backyard that's one thing if you grow out and look at adverse taxonomy for the community you're now putting two of your items right up against each other which is housing versus this and that was why I asked it was a moral space but there's still a third work in that and it did I hope the state legislature helps us do this on HMEs because where to be are they not here they're here don't be here all this great work has been done on using native grasses as turf and all that stuff and that's also kind of under that umbrella and it increases our sustainability without making it it's another way to make other people do work well I think you're actually surprised because you can do it but you still have your HME restrictions that you have to adhere to and we're saying you have this type of whatever that's what you have to do yeah and there's something in the legislature about that now but we're not sure what's going to happen any other success the other thing I would add I like what you have summarized when the first time early in my experience in council is when you brought what you were where you were headed before and I know I got labeled as a data guy or the metrics guy early in my tenure in council which is okay with me but I do remember during the first time we saw this as much as I appreciate metrics it's possible to get a wash and see a data without meeting and I'm a little concerned as you talk about the variety of you know just the wire hose information and options you're having a hard time making sense but add to that these metrics and my question is some of these there may be some dependencies in this to get to one metric you got to get four right to figure out how to not to simplify but to get to the far side of the complexity with meaning to the public that's my concern I'm not certain I've listened to this, I've been in this conversation if I have a hard time answering the question given the data what are the most important results or indicators in terms of what really matters why can't I do that, how in the hell can anybody in the community that's my concern so I don't have an answer how it would make a success except to get to a more robust indicators that the community would resonate with that really matter if we can get this right and why it matters to us in terms of economics of generations in terms of the future of a community however we can describe it it's the so what it is the so what at some level in the context that matters to people they can understand that can I think that ties to what Shakita was saying is the outreach and so maybe part of the vision is what Sandy has but communicate with our residents for an easily understanding well that's what one of is the education is the means but then is understanding and you can have a great means but if there is so much data and it's a level then it just can't step it's got to be sticky enough for people to walk away with and I don't know that not that it's not great work I don't not be a critical work I think it's a great presentation and I love the work that's being done but it's got to be sticky enough for people to say yeah we got to get this right yeah we're in this together it matters to us how do you take the details and elevate them into some broad it doesn't impact your day to day you don't have buy-in to see it through which is why I would like the the same the same community outreach if possible to be done with PRPA because I don't want it to sound like PRPA is going to change our city it is going to be us that are going to change the city so maybe break down into bites instead of a big picture which is a couple of things that I'm adding and I want to remind everyone about the Project Police and I are working on around sustainability communications so I added to Shakita's statement easily understandable, relatable and accessible the information needs to be able to be retained and I think that's why we decided to contract with the moto communications which most of you build out of that survey and they will help us to craft that sustainability communications plan and they have absolutely identified had bite size, relatable actionable, accessible are the pieces that they need to build so in place not in place, in progress I think there's one really essential piece that was not explicitly mentioned in this and it's about metrics that it's also about understanding how day to day because much of this gives us gives us more control over our rates right, if we have distributed energy resources that are controllable I was thrilled that there's already 6 megawatts of solar and long night I don't know where it's hiding I guess places I never go but ultimately when you say yeah, if we can manage if we can keep from from using electricity using as much electricity at times when it's expensive from PRPA then we're not going to be paying as much and if we can get that piece across to the public it's important this work and buying into these plans and letting us help you make a plan to replace your gas from this with something else before it breaks then everybody's going to understand that that's going to hit them in a positive way and so I think that metric definitely needs to be right at the top of our outreach and maybe years maybe years before we can have an impact but hey, that's like the only one more rate update cycle and I would argue that hitting in the pocketbook is the thing that immediately makes it relatable yeah, you're right well I think that's the piece in which what I've seen historically in different communities that kind of takes you back to the core conversation we had yesterday there isn't a elasticity in community in terms of what people are willing to pay more than one pay and what you find in that elasticity, it will smack back on you and cause you to reason with everything you've done there's communities very close to us that are going through that right now you read the story from Westminster and the water system and what they need to do they saw the elasticity and they fought back and they completely achieved what they can do and I think in all of these conversations we've got to think about that when I'm talking to my folks about is we're there I mean when you see when we raise rates when you see in a place you're getting people are starting to hit that and that's the equity when we start to slide it on and understand what that means and I think as you're thinking just keep that in mind of everything because I've seen it happen in hundreds of communities around the nation where it will smack back on you and then you're starting over with something completely different so just to activate I think in the education piece as we see more and more families who can afford to put solar on that we understand that in order for us all to benefit we don't all need to have solar that through PRPA and the way they they buy energy we can all take advantage of having the benefit of renewable energy but not every single home in the city needs to have solar on it and I think that will ease the disparity between the lower socioeconomic part of our population and that they feel like they're not that message has got to get out that because I don't have solar then I'm not going to be able to have renewable energy that's not true so I don't know how to message that but I think it's a real important part of the rate the retail rate structure that we can make sure that it does and we can have the message out there that the guy on the next block solar is Laura Yorkost and that's something that really doesn't get out there but it can because the less electricity we buy from the ERPA at times it really costs a lot which means the less we have to raise our rates but I do think we need to be careful about how we message that because if I'm the guy with the soft solar and you have that telling that somebody needs to pay me a difference I'm just saying we need to message that but as our nation and the different utility companies that ERPA buys energy from they get more renewable energy that will come back to our city because they're going to be using more renewable energy as more utility companies put in renewables so it's a game that's for sure but to Marcia's point though more people buying and putting solar on before the ERPA gives them energy correctly but not there it could raise the rates of people who don't have solar because they still have to purchase it they still have to get the dollars to purchase that that's going to come from our rates so the people who don't have solar the ERPA is ready their rates may go up I don't know that's just my theory what do you think is that does that make sense part of this is we're sort of trying to think of the future and the individual impact and so we have different points around that same question they will be helpful is where at some point here later this year we probably have something similar with the council to really dive deeper in that present value may be the future value of solar because also in Marcia's point if you're producing a time that other resources are low on renewable and it has a higher value in life-wise if it's over-producing it has a lower value and we should explore that further but I think saying that now might be a mistake because we've got back we have to we have to be very patient well I'm just going to mention the value of solar the exercise that we're going to do that's exactly what Dave was talking about how much of a solar worth to utility and to customers who don't have solar we're going to challenge we're going to run into we're kind of now at the state level in terms of what we have to reimburse for customers what we have to do with this so it's possible that at certain times of the day we are overpaying for solar that's what we generate we can get it a lot cheaper from very large utility fee but then at other times I just don't know what Mark said maybe that the fuel is covered by a cloud in this particular homeowner is in a little bit of a sunny spot so it's really about that to figure out what that value is and Shakita the person who pays to install the solar put it on their leaf and uses that electricity in the terminal as long as you pay back first then the fact that they are putting electricity back really affects the city's demand favorably and that in turn affects other people's demand charges I just don't think we need to be very careful about that Mark the discussion of other people is one thing for somebody else exactly that's all but thanks for inviting us we're all in a learning curve we haven't got this down pat yet so so it is quarter till noon we didn't have one on the top we were going to chat about before lunch but it's up to you all I think you're right along with your agenda so it's up to you whether you might take or spend a few more minutes on this or move to the street gaming process what we thought we would do when we got to that discussion is invite Carmen to come up and talk a little bit about the work and how it will give you a sense of where we are today with respect to equity work I don't anticipate that it would take a lot more than 15 minutes but that's totally up to you all so are we should be the vision long march presentation down? I was just thinking that may take a little bit maybe it doesn't do the same size so it's up to you we have both of those pieces still to discuss so it's thank you sweetie for inviting me to that we can do either one because actually that's just 15 minutes also and this is the question he has run up around if we have higher density does it increase crime and what he did with some research to share with council to kind of help you answer that question so you can go either direction or no direction and think of what's going on I know the folks are out there and the folks are out there to the fire truck so if they were not spent then we could stop early as we go give away a fire truck and have lunch and then start eating let's do that okay so I'm going to option one and early let's go give away a fire truck and have some lunch or option two continue on thumbs up one nine or one one one one let's take a break if you can just take five minutes and we'll meet in the front okay thank you it's a great question and often we hear that question in public hearings but also I think people take a lot of time to figure out what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on but also I think people tend to hold that one back because it's a bit of a loaded question and they talk about traffic so we have been talking about a vision long month today and yesterday and one of the main goals is taking advantage of those empty holes that we have in the community to get some different housing opportunities so two of the major goals that we always cite in our staff reports if we're having a public hearing with planning commission or the city council are probably these too and they fall under the category of creating livable centers and the first one talks about the importance of the diversity and housing types in the community and the second one really talks about high density housing and where that should occur and the vision long month one talks about different cores areas of change where there's opportunities to create additional density additional housing types it specifically says that it should be in areas of the downtown and the mixed use employment area and I think that's where we've seen some big changes like the residential development we're getting so I'm going to go through some of the numbers that we've seen since we've adopted Envision since we've adopted the zoning code to implement Envision kind of show you what the trends are and I'll leave the toughest part to Zach to talk about is there any relationship between crime and higher density and just as a stealer of his win so because I've done this a long time and I've never really found a connection between crime and density there's a million variables but he's much more of a social scientist that I am so I'll let him get into those glory details so that's Envision Long Month talks about additional density if you go to the next slide number 3 of the 47 slides so I've talked about areas of change so no, there's four slides so let's talk about four Jonah usually says zero slides so it's really letting me expand here so an important part of Envision Long Month is here's where we're going to have areas of change it's these areas that are red and it's really identifying those corridors and where we have mixed use employment maybe employment uses that are down on their luck and there's opportunities to bring new housing in there so it's great to have jobs close to housing so it really fits that bill and then of course Main Street is also an important corridor and we've recently amended the Main Street corridor and the Complan to make these different types of housing much more possible and then there's areas of stability which are primarily our existing neighborhoods yellow is kind of a typical land use color for single family but in this case it doesn't mean these are all single family neighborhoods Envision Long Month sees some change but the level of change in the areas of stability are quite a bit reduced compared to where we're focusing in areas of change so I thought what I would do because we are seeing a lot of multi-family and it makes a big impact on our citizens when they see a vacant lot turn into 200 units that's four stories high I understand it makes kind of a shock to the system so I thought I'd take a look at what our permanent activity is because once you go through adopting the plan adopting a new zoning code then we have to build to the new code and people have to put up the money to actually get it done so here's kind of the trend so single family is the blue at the top and everybody knows what that is that's pretty clear, that's one house for a lot surrounded by space it's not touching anything else and then we have what I'm just calling attached housing it might be anything from a duplex triplex multi-family high density apartments or anything in between we could go through and kind of figure out what all those layers are but this is where you're probably you're affordable and your attainable housing is happening within that realm probably in my bearing right there, is that north of 66 yes and then so the area of change so like right here are those, there are houses currently there, correct not many or an open space it's open space correct so that's the Terry Lake neighborhood so there are currently hard homes there pretty wide open those are in church along that corridor and the library is not in red but it's right before you get to Main Street okay so right over here and then the other stuff would be the vacant property north of Wal-Mart and in front of apartments and that's hard across the street but also I think you guys saw last year for the compensation referral you asked for more density so those are what's open that we are looking to annex or it is annexed yeah or is it already annexed okay I want to jump in I think we've actually gotten into this internally exactly part of this where someone said is it open space and I go, have a woe woe yes, yes that's a big piece that is not a woe, it's not even open that's not open space that is undeveloped land that is owned by somebody else okay we've got to be really careful as we're making those distinctions because a lot of times what we see in development projects is that people go where it's open space it's really undeveloped land that is owned by another party they shouldn't have built anything on it and I think we see that locked okay and that's what I wanted to do, annex was an interesting work because I was thinking that the open space was a lot of development areas I think there's some apartments coming out we call it about 66 that is just east of Walmart in that court order it's part of that red area a lot of apartments are happening around the sugar mill, we've talked about that a little bit around Sandstone Ranch we've seen a lot of density going in there so as far as the numbers there's a lot of levels to the multifamily attached so I can't tell you that's all apartments I will say that the change in permitting over the last four years has changed quite a bit we were primarily dominated by single family now I'd say let's see it was 2019 we're about 60% of the permits were some kind of attached housing 2020 that turned to I think 80% and it was about the same in 2021 2022 as far as what we permitted out of development services 90% was some kind of attached product but what I wanted to show first off the the vertical lines here is when we adopted the complaint I think it was June of 2016 that doesn't really change things much because it's not the law then we went into a two year process and adopted the new land development code which happened in towards the end of 2018 and that's when we opened up areas as far as where higher density housing could occur but really it didn't have a big change at least in the last six years between the percentages of types of units we're in 2016 we're still two thirds single family and we added about a third of some kind of attached process fast forward six years you know it changed about 4% basically so it's not a great escalation in density and maybe I was thinking that that might be a relief but maybe we're not doing our job well enough we look at the goals of the complaint but if you excel just kind of drew the trend line here there's really not a whole lot of magic to it but even if you took the single family line and you flattened it out at that 25,000 and then you increase the family at the rate it's going now we still are looking at 20 years where we're still going to be a single family community before we get parity between attached units and single family so it's not something that is happening overnight but we are I think moving the ball forward as far as the goals of Envision Longmont now the tough questions and I think Zach's got a good idea as far as the trends and some of the programs that's kind of geared towards multi-family. Thank you, Glenn. Before I started was there any questions that you wanted to ask about Glenn Slide or anything before I move forward? You said to take about 20 years that it's parity and you say that depends on the length of development of the trends. If the length of development was altered or something more radical you could see a difference in the trends. That's the rules that are set today basically and the economic environment that we have to take. So a lot of things can affect those and stretch it out longer than that. And I want to clarify something as well so we have residents that are talking about Envision Longmont site is not Envision Longmont from the point that you showed us for high density according to Envision Longmont it would be not your residential areas. Right. And it was the LLC that actually changed that. Right. So the policy is basically let's put higher density in those underutilized sites a lot of them being in mixed use employment areas and I'd say that's the higher percentage of where we're actually seeing projects land. Okay. Now there is some change. In fact I talked to a gentleman who is here he left a statement for public to be heard but he's concerned with the term areas of stability. So we need change there and we have a mixed use neighborhood that didn't allow an incremental change in the land uses under very specific conditions that can occur in those areas of change. There is some additional density not the point of you know like in a mixed use employment area and there is some retail if it's in a specific location that is allowed in those areas of stability. So the code is not just they're mixed use employment areas but it also is for mixed use residential areas as well. Correct. And we also have mixed use downtown that actually in those districts there's no cap on density but a mixed use neighborhood there is it can only densities can only be from 6 to 18 units per acre is like a cap which would be the yellow areas. And it is it also applies to vertical. Yeah, absolutely. So it's for the we allow four stories in the mixed use districts with an ability to perform to go up above with affordable housing next to transit and there's a third called mixed use. So if you bring in retail on your ground floor you can potentially put additional story on it. That's not in the mixed use neighborhood though that is specifically in mixed use downtown, mixed use employment and then there's third I can Oh, corridor mixed use corridor which is main street basically. Well it's interesting so talking real time learning what we're we're learning through housing side and the affordable housing side in particular is that the addition of one floor actually is a problem because under affordable housing and bring federal funds into it but then before it changes its merchant and when it changes its merchant it goes into the merchant's estate which all of a sudden drastically changes the cost parameters of it. So as Molly and I were getting into these projects we wrote that out now that we're on the outside building it's like because it shifts the economics on the entire project so from the affordable fees from the state if you do this and this what we're realizing is that it doesn't work because you can't use it based on the outside constraints that are currently on the use of those funds. So we're also learning real time about what we have in that works and doesn't work and what's on when it's over to the economics that are currently on the use of those funds that you can't control. You know that's controlled by the feds. Did you go back and forth between the approach change? Correct. No. No, you could potentially in those mix use core mix use districts that you could go seven stories but you have to perform to go above four. Just like Carol's talking about if you're doing you're building affordable housing within your project you probably could go up a story. If you Yeah, but there are there's issues with that and I thought Harold was going to say elevators because generally you go four stories you're putting in at least two elevators typically for ADA accessibility and that adds some price. That's under the back standard. So that's where it could make sense is if you're building affordable housing to a market rate project and you're not connected to the federal funds then that could be a valuable solution for you but if you're bringing into a life that project like we do then it doesn't work. All the new ones you're starting to see about doesn't work so the expert's plan I picked this up in a conversation some time ago um Florida's a bad place or the fifth is a bad place does it start working in the end or the seventh? Did the economics change? You know that's what you have to understand is that sort of the performance won't work based on the financial requirements that the investors the equity investors and the lending institutions and so the performance will really be on that piece we think that it may shift it but we haven't done that calculation What is the sum? We'll go from four to five or six. Construction type change we've been talking about pedestal You're talking about pedestals I know almost nothing about what you're seeing that's what I've worried from the developers that at five stories it's pedestal if you do need elevators it's more expensive construction is that true? That's generally true and a good example is look at 9th and Main Street they have concrete and steel first floor that's typically what you would see four stories Yes, and I think it depends on how you're designing the project For us elevators what we're building for four well that's just a given and so we're managing that with the performance whether it's four or five and so I think it gets really project specific and it's hard to say that's what we're doing in this sort of housing I know I'm about to get the hook from seeing because I want to make sure there's enough time so Councilman Yarbrough brought up a great question a few months ago in preparation and wanting us to bring this back about does density and crime have a correlation with each other? What I want to suggest to Council is when I take a look at our community I have to look at public safety as a whole meaning how does that pertain both the law enforcement and how does that particularly pertain to fire services that we provide and so one of the things I want to touch on I'm actually going to talk about just for a few minutes the fire side of things because I think a lot of times we forget that piece but what I will tell you that any time you increase the population or any time your population grows there is an increase in your public safety so when we talk about that whether we are responding to medical calls which we did over 7,000 last year is responding to a domestic with a home or a residence again those things happen when you break folks in neighbors don't agree barking dogs things that we typically get called with that may not necessarily be crime related and so when we talk about those things I think it's important not only to remember the police but also look at the fire side of things because with increased people again if you build a high density location and it's all senior citizens and we know that that particular area is going to have an increase in medical costs more than likely than we would see in other areas and so again it's those types of things that we have to consider as the city is transitioning or thinking of transitioning from more of a subdivision style single family home to high density multi family we also have to begin to think about how are we going to protect the properties so whether we are talking about UI, wild land, urban initiative and how some of those things apply if we're going to make roads smaller so that we can use more land space then we have to think about how are we going to get emergency equipment down the roads if there's on-street parking how are we going to get the necessary things in there and I will tell you that Glenn and his staff have worked with us and she'll go in if you're familiar with her she's our fire marshal and her staff review every plan and so there was conversations and how big continued conversations between us and Glenn and Jo and her staff were talking about as we begin to transition as a city to look at more opportunities to fill in and go up what does that look like for first responders and how does that public safety respond to those things whether it's looking at changing the types of fencing based on the study from the marshal fire I think it will come out very soon are we looking at changing the requirements of the fencing so it's not wood it doesn't spread the fire quicker do we need to go to other some type of fire retardant fencing to try to say homes what do we need to do and so we begin to look at that again the space in between the building what type of material are we using because again in the south if you did multi-family housing or you did down homes together they're typically violent siding we don't see that here but again one fire starts and it moves very quickly so again making sure we're using the right material so it's a very big conversation and when you start talking about crime and you start talking about well if we build apartments is it going to bring a bunch of crime it's very hard to give you an exact answer because it depends on a lot of social economical issues related to an individual that may be living in a wide variety whether it's a single family home or it's an apartment and so for an example we may have I hold eight properties that we would classify as multi-family and look at and so you may see one area have more calls for service but they're not generating very many reports right maybe it will simply be because the neighbor next door is playing their music too loud so we knock on the door like hey you might turn it down thank you very much it's not always crime based every time we show up to a location sometimes what we would classify is simply a quality of life issue maybe it's a parking issue in the parking somebody's in their spot right maybe it's because somebody's over the line they have two spots so a lot of the calls have been given I want to put it in perspective because when we begin to look at some of our commercial properties they have just as high call volume than some of our apartment complexes can buy and so I won't tell any retailers under the bus but you could probably figure that out and so again when you look at it it depends on there's driving factors for each thing so we have some multi-family housing gets more calls and less but we also have some houses in subdivisions a lot more calls than everybody else and so again it's a balance of those things now what we are doing and we have been doing for quite some time next slide there we go so we have been doing crime-free multi-housing what this is and what this has been this is an initiative that we work with again multiple or multi-housing residents so whether it's apartment condos whatever it is we work with the management this is something done through Dave Kennedy and Sara and Arnie who are our neighborhood resource officers and so they work with management I think we hold a class once a quarter and there's usually 30 or 40 folks in there and what this does is create that peace between public safety and between management to let them know what's going on in their building what the challenges that we're having what we're doing here is we don't force them to do anything but it gets them to let them know hey here's a problem in your area here's what we're seeing here's what we're dealing with here's what we do so those reports and those conversations are happening on a weekly basis if not on a daily basis now what we also oh oh okay hi thank you I'm sorry I was gonna roll sorry so what it does is it allows management and public safety to work together now management decides to do something that's great if they don't that's fine too but it lets them know right and again a lot of it is quality of life issues not necessarily crimes and so again having those conversations now one of the other pieces that that Lombard has kind of been very on the forefront and then Glenn and Sara Arnie and Dave Kennedy have been having conversations is as we begin to build more density or multifamily locations to make sure we use what's called crime prevention through environmental design also known as step 10 standards what this does is uses the environment I made some examples so again the department complex you know what you're required to put a temple or a telephone on each arm alarms make sure they all have alarms make sure that there's fancy make sure there's lighting again make sure there's lighting in open spaces at dark time right it doesn't invite folks to dark green shadows again light makes people run away for some reason so that has been a piece that we have talked about with Glenn and Joni and their staff about how do we get more of this into the coat so that as counsel and in plenty of zoning books begin to make decisions on the direction of our community how do we use some of the best practices that are out there nationwide in step 10 that allow us to try to create the safe environment for individuals so I know that's a lot I could probably talk about 45 more minutes on what we've got but what I want to I guess really what I hope that you take away is understanding that anytime you increase population there's going to be additional parts of public safety traffic accidents traffic people living together there's just a wide variety of things medical cars what not but there are programs and there are things that we are doing that have been doing for quite some time to build the relationships with those areas and begin to build relationships so for example we have over 400 properties documented in London we have over half of those are part of our crime-free multi-family housing not required to be a part of this but about 50% of those are already involved with us and are getting the information they need on a daily basis to manage their communities that they have so I know there's probably a lot of questions so I will open it up because whoever wants to go for it both of you raise your hand at the same time so is this this crime prevention through environmental design is this sort of what you're doing with some of our projects in regards to like the place of laundry rooms or things like that it's a piece of it what we're talking about in the laundry rooms is trauma or design based on the type of individuals we're going to be having but we do do that so Sarah's part of the housing story and so we are bringing the septic component on so in Christmas I'm going to be changing the fixed route because there's a dark spot and we all know what happens in a dark spot so that's the kind of input that we get on these projects so yes but it's a little bit of a design of the laundry rooms and I think the best example I can give you is speed bumps right we get a lot of complaints through a neighborhood or speeding through let's just say a carbon complex or a condo complex speed bumps force you to slow down it doesn't require a lot of forceful interaction but the design itself requires an individual to either tear their car up or actually slow down through that community so those types of things so what I'm talking about when I say that I mean like the entrance to quite good apartment you guys line through the development again putting those physical barriers doesn't allow that vehicle to ride through their $90 an hour which is what we do up they're racing through here but what it does is forces us so through design standards you can mediate or moderate or control some of the future complaints that you might get based on driving habits so this is kind of the other side of the crime free multiple because it worries me a little bit as an equity issue I understand that especially for multiple populations crime free multi housing is necessary for the safety of the people who live there and yet yesterday Harold said be careful because people are using their housing and one of the reasons they use their housing is because they have committed crimes where do they go because the last thing we want is people who have committed crimes but are not incarcerated be on the street so do we have a housing model that takes care of those? I think the model is really no I think the model is built on how do you do what you can to prevent that from ever returning and it does because there are times you can't prevent that from occurring and so when we look at the processes that we go through only affordable housing side it's exhausting and so when you hit that point you have really gone through a litany of things where you try to work with the individuals and it's just not changing now on the other side there are issues that develop that are by safety related that you have to deal with shooting someone in the unit threatening other people in a complex breaking into the office those are components that you just have to deal with but I think it gives you what Zach is saying when we look at the call volume from the properties and housing authority what it used to look like what it looks like now the call volume just went out of the way in that it was not in common for us to see 10 to 15 calls per week at the suite there are weeks we don't have as an awesome service at the suites but we're seeing that uniform in all of our properties and it is because if you don't do this it creates this and I understand all of those things but what I'm not saying is that that process which makes the properties we manage safer and have fewer calls also excludes some people what I'm asking about is what happens to the people who are excluded I think it depends on the person so I'm telling you I hear from the public they are excluded from people and they are on the streets when I say Longmont helps people into housing or Longmont helps people who are losing their housing Longmont also helps people out of housing when they are difficult to live with and infringing on rights of others and infringing on the rights of others they don't lose their rights when they're housed so I'm just I think there's a gap we need to have a way to house people it's kind of hard difficult to house this is a little off topic for what these folks are going to talk about but what we're going to be doing next is to get through these two information pieces and ask you what the success looks like in each of these areas so I would like to hang on to that I just wanted to point it out I think do you have any questions for Dr. Zach about particularly the crime rate for density or if you have any questions I appreciate you all answering this question because we have heard this several times about myself and have heard that questions about if we increase the density of online that is going to increase the crime rate and I wanted you all to have the opportunity to present that let us know if it was yes or no because we don't want to pay a false information although we know that that it really didn't and I appreciate the fact that just because the calls are being increased within the station and you know people are hearing that you see the red lights going to this certain neighborhood that doesn't mean it was a crime it could have just been somebody playing it radio too loud and the officer coming over that I don't know but I appreciate you mentioning that and also the fire side yeah so that's very important too and that we we're dealing with a human race we're dealing with people so we can control the choices that people make within their lives all we can do is try to prevent what we can do in our own city and within our departments and I appreciate the fact that having the crime prevention through environmental design and I mean I like the name of it too that's pretty cool but those are things that apartment complexes can take property owners can take these measurements and like you said we don't want to have or participate in the crime free housing that is key and so understanding that we have these programs for our community for those who own housing and we're not saying it's going to be perfectly fine for you we're not saying it because we cannot control another human being but we can put measurements in place you can put measurements in place of like making sure you have their votes on your house same thing so housing is needed in our community it does not cause increase of crime in our community but it doesn't because we have more people there may be more issues there may be more speed and there may be more complaints in our community so I just want people to think outside the box a little bit and in contact our public safety department contact our fire department to ask those questions to get the facts more so than spreading false information and if we need to have another conversation about this I would love to have another conversation with our community but educating our community is very important when we hear the same stuff over and over again that's not true and that's why I wanted to bring it up because I know that you all are doing a lot of work in a very good job so I just wanted to make sure that you put that out there hang on to that also what's the difference between crime rate and numbers of crimes you talked about specifically for long well if we're going to as our popular whatever you say just as logical as the population grows there will be more calls for variety some of the crimes some of it just nuisance so I don't think should anybody should be surprised as our population grows there's going to be more calls for a variety of things that's different it seems to me rate is a calculation it's numbers of crimes per capita numbers of crimes per automobile number of crimes per housing it's some metric that's different than just the frequency of calls because it's conceivable in my mind given what we're doing we can have a growing population a growing number of calls and a decreasing rate for the actual crime rate that would be an important statistic or a metric for us when somebody says it's out of control we have a population who should be surprised but do you understand the actual rate is going down if it is certainly get that to council for the 2022 numbers for what we've solved but again I think there's some confusion in those numbers too because if you look at crimes that we have here it doesn't mean it's by everybody that lives here in the population of Longmont so again we can look at some of our past incidents that have occurred that's made media attention and we find out that those individuals don't live here so again when you start drilling into those numbers you've got to begin specifically to look at those types of incidents because it can give you a skewed sense of what it is and so for example if you talk about motor vehicle theft I know it's a hot topic but we had an individual who was arrested I think it was 15 times over motor vehicle theft so again it doesn't mean that 15 people in our population were doing it, it's one individual and so again we can certainly get you the data of what our crime rate looked like and get that for you and certainly get that to council but again I think you have to dive even deeper into just a big crime rate 32% stolen motor vehicles got to dive a little bit further into that than just the number itself so yes sir, good question that's part of theft if we send you to our full community to make fewer opportunities for people to come in here and commit crimes that we haven't designed to correct it is correct so I want to be more cognizant to like it back to me and make sure that we understand the goal of these students are you all comfortable moving on to talk a little bit about student thank you thank you I'm going to invite Carmen to come up and join us because we had the one that we heard from councilmember McCoy around the street in the process and I'm going to invite Carmen to come up and share a little bit about the equity work that we've been doing so far particularly with respect to this topic let's see if everybody likes to not have all those stuff anywhere you want to go anywhere you want to go talk a little bit about process and I think the request came up with the review of the task force in the process there's a little more context we think you would probably benefit from so Carmen and I made this community and these are the resources thanks for allowing me to come forward on this conversation so I want to put up a few things just as background information that I think will be helpful I want to start off with my understanding of Mount Evans has been postponed due to getting additional tribal consultation and what I will say on that is that what has been so important is when it comes to renaming is consulting with the very communities that are impacted and those voices are the ones that are up front in this the last time that we did have a renaming that was brought forward by community members out in the communities so if you recall, Shavington is now sunrise but that came from a community that brought that forward they did not live on the street and that's an important piece to note that it came from communities who did not live on the street it then elevated to the point that we had to have a community-wide conversation and a neighbor conversation and then assist the neighbors in understanding the importance of that name changed the why and then assisting them with the how so we helped with paying for postage to give out notice first they picked the name because they lived there and then helping them with change of addresses everything from postage to community meetings to help them understand as your street name is changing so that technical logistical is what community and neighborhood resources assisted with so we have that, we are now at this point but I wanted to start with something else so I'm going to start with our land acknowledgement and when you hear this land acknowledgement I think what the next step is to talk about actions and this council is pretty much the council that adopted this land acknowledgement so we acknowledge that Longman sits on the traditional territory of the Cheyenne, the Rappaho youth and other indigenous people we honor the history and the living and spiritual connection that the first people have with this land it is our commitment to face the injustices that happen when the land was taken and to educate our communities, ourselves and our children to ensure that these injustices do not happen again when I read this out wherever I'm at I immediately then go to the action because we don't want this statement to be a token statement it is a living statement and so the way that we have brought life to this and created action one started with our relationship with the northern Rappaho I took several years to build that relationship I never would have imagined that I would be in a sweat lodge with council members and the mayor that and especially for me because that's a very private part of my life and now I've got council in a sweat lodge so but what it really hinged on was building relationships getting to know one another and understanding the injustices that happen and where do we create so the first youth exchange that we did before we do any youth exchange for the youth and for the parents and the chaperones we go through what is called a doctrine of discovery so we go through an exercise that shows the students and the parents and those that are chaperoning what that means and what that history is we are in a lot of native communities is that we are not gone we are not a part of history we are here and if you'll see in our museum we have this exhibit I hope everybody gets to see it it's called duality and it's that mixture of very traditional there's a piece in there regarding boarding schools we did a lot of education with the first council around the story of northern Rappaho and Cheyenne and how the division how they were moved we also did a lot of education around boarding schools for council and for community members we also did a lot of education around a film called Two Rivers and Two Rivers was a community that said well I lived here but I think there might have been other people here before me who are they, where are they and how do we rebuild relationships and rebuilding of the relationships has been key so when I see this I laminated this because it has a land acknowledgement and it has a picture of the first youth that came down all ten of them stayed at my house because we had to understand that I could not do a traditional where you send them out to a home many of the kids have never left the reservation I'm not going to put them in a home where they don't know okay so we've progressed our youth go up there so just as you saw with sister cities our youth are going to Japan to Mexico to northern Arapahoe but not only our youth we have community members that have formed that I think Dr. Waters took a ride up to northern Arapahoe up to Wind River to meet and talk to people to hear stories we have a meeting next week with business council members to talk about open space and what are opportunities all of these are initial conversations because we want to be careful to tend to the relationship and to be culturally appropriate and sensitive right it's a heavy conversation if you haven't seen we have a little documentary a little documentary by little and it tells the story more importantly that same month during Native American month we did a series of films but we also brought in people from northern Arapahoe to have a conversation and I think Dr. Waters recalls one of the things that my husband do you want to share that well Ray was sharing he was in North Carolina as I recall and there was a panel that included leadership from a tribe there and the topic of reparations came up and there was an audience member as I recall the story who reacted to the idea of reparations saying you know I'm not responsible for what my grandfather did or my father did don't hold me accountable and raise description of the leader of this indigenous people sitting on the states that you know I would never hold you accountable if your grandfather or your father stole a horse from my family I would hold you accountable unless you still have a horse pretty powerful state so I think we are looking at opportunities on what I want to relationship build to bring in and make visible communities of color we do that in different fashions but we are really working on that and sometimes what happens is that that good stuff that happens isn't necessarily known by everybody but we also want to be mindful of investing to create that consciousness so that it is at a higher level I will tell you that to this day we used to have an event called Inclusive Communities that highlighted 15 different like about 15 different cultural groups local we had our African American community or Chinese or Nepalese or Native American community or Sami community believe it or not we got a couple folks that are Sami's and we would bring them forward to this and so I'm mentioning all this because I think it's important in your conversation to be mindful of where do we invest to raise that community consciousness where do we invest to continue to have challenging conversations Lama Multicultural Action Committee has worked on last year a Voices of Change and they brought through and we had a Voices of Change panel on hate crimes and we had someone from the NAACP in El Boulder, the LGBTQ community and the DA's office as well as one on the Latino community and one on the Native American community those continuations I think are really helpful in that raising of consciousness but I also think that it is you as leaders those steps that you want to take in regards to whether it's retribution or whether it's consciousness raising I will leave that in your hands to discuss but I thought that this information might be helpful so Do you have a recommendation for us on this particular request to become a member of the board? Does it make more sense to take this as part of the relationship building of the Northern Red Bull Tribe or Multicultural Action Committee is there a recommendation that you have for the council? Well, and I'm biased Are we all? I'm biased because I really believe that the work that we're doing through Sister Cities and the work that we're doing through the Multicultural Action Committee has a potential to reach that education and when we talk about education how to really be authentic of being telling the true story and who's story and who gets to be the storyteller so when we meet with Northern Rappahoe about open space we want them to be the one telling the story. That means good and bad. I recently had a conversation about Sam Stone and what story is told there on Sankrete it's only one version so we're going to work with them to tell another one. So I think it's a choice do you want to take on this issue or do you want to invest in other ways where we can continually raise that consciousness and that education given that it is very hard to reach the whole community but I think it also is important and that recognition of why names are changing there's an article that we're circulating regarding the the stake taking a pause and going back but I wanted to call out something else and that article of some name changes would happen because this is not just a Native American issue there used to be a place called Negro Creek and Negro Mesa's don't even know it didn't even know right it's been changed to Clay Creek and Clay Mesa there are communities that still have sundown locked so there is an important piece to that as to looking back at names places as well as policies that maybe were placed there for their specific to be derogatory to limit access those kinds of things so I will leave that conversation as I said I'm biased the community work that we're doing building bridges I had a young man who was here today when we brought in folks are to do a we had and we also had a film on and it's a young man from here a young white man who came up to me and was kind of tearful and thanked us for giving him the opportunity as he said I would never have had this opportunity and then having young people and I think Dr. Waters and Susie were in the council chambers when our long line youth and our northern Arapaho youth took over the council chambers they became council and I won't say but they voted on building your rooms for the youth center and the swimming pool so they already gave you direction on what their needs were so I will tell you that since we started this sister cities hired a northern Arapaho young woman to be their summer intern during last summer I frequently have people staying at my house because this is a place where they feel welcome and they feel at home I think that piece of at least Boone Hunter said this when we did the signing for the northern Arapaho he said I've heard stories of my homeland I am I'm not going to say his age but he's older and he said I have never been to Estes and I've heard stories Dr. Waters remembers stories of why we came through here and to feel welcome and to feel like we can enter into a conversation a present-day conversation not a past-day conversation but I also think it's important to fix those mistakes from the past so I know I didn't answer the question I appreciate your wisdom so a lot of these really cognizant of the time we have an hour left we have an hour left we've got four goals that we would like to talk about what the success will look like to kind of finish out today is there more conversation you'd like to talk about? I just have comments thank you Carmen I really appreciate that and the purpose of bringing this up is that I think we should as a community be cognizant of when there are efforts to make a change like we're seeing with Mount Heaven to not be toned up to the situation and it's not just more than a wrap-up I think of people like my wife's sister's husband for his mother who grew up in a German camp not here but in California you know we have another relationship with a camp you know I'm not proposing any stretch of imagination going through looking at changing every I think it's a good thing to have this practice in place talking to Carmen there's like that thing out but these things the names of streets when we do I think there's room in there for maybe that group to consider looking at this as well and I just think that we certainly don't want to have a community for every talking about sustainability and safety and all these other aspects not address that and so I think there's our preservation commission we've got these other community groups that do some of this work here and we can build it out of them and it wouldn't be that to make a challenge for them to help move this forward but I also think that you don't have to live on the street to feel slight wrong in order to have improvements and so I think that it's set in the right direction it's progressive in the sense of restricting others and so I think it's something that we should consider doing and as just that when I hear members of the public that are against it I think it's a tone of deafness to that reality of how people are going to deal and so we have I see it certainly makes sense I think for us to follow maybe the state particularly not events as a specific one to the topic but perhaps relying on the long model of technology we're bringing this up and this is a concern that the council has that maybe a better way than creating a separate task force and then maybe the limitations but we're on maybe we're going to to various characters maybe not presidents things like that I don't know what our parameters would be with how they could talk themselves I think I think it's always going to have conversations like this many of us don't know about the needs of the city but if someone brings it up it's worth to do some research how does that relate to color model or design or get the conversation started it will be a long road and again looking at our base level of services I don't think this is something that you know, staff should be on that be a good place to start to start consultation that's how it works I support that I didn't want to so we going forward this is in the inbasking work on that or if you're a community group this is not something that we're going to move forward with is that what we are that's what I'm going to take you to right now it's brutal not that she wouldn't give a community group a right a relationship I think like her caravan said she's had a number of things going on but one of them is to be real mindful and not as we're building a relationship to be really careful and we don't do something in the interest of doing good that has an unintended consequence that has an effect on the larger relationship of building out I think that's part of life which is a good guidance I like your words your words were good thank you maybe I'll maybe just want to take it on and I'll make those things it would just be so my question would be what would you like to ask Elmack we currently are going to start a very small kind of needs assessment around our cultural communities and issues that are happening in the community but if you were how do I state the question to Elmack are you interested in researching this thing of evidence in terms of reading and how it relates to Elmack it makes so many more that individually would be interested but that's all I would ask if you ask me for consultation what does Elmack recommend and how would they rank that as far as their priority exactly exactly yes but Elmack is already doing it is having the awareness of the cultures greater communities and what Dunn looks like there is that the community says oh this in our community isn't sensitive let's change it rather than us imposing it on a community as it happened before and so I think that while we the public not necessarily the council but the public needs to get more behind Elmack and support their events and donate and all that stuff to enable them to do their multicultural outreach in our city now that in terms of the approach they're taking it's only like so let's do a real fast thumbs up and thumbs down if you want to ask Elmack if they're interested in pursuing a discussion you know important and would councilman McCord want to come and they're reading the second Monday of every month that knew you were difficult so I know that would work but we could figure out whatever and I want to just very quickly tell you about how things like that got initiated so many many well everybody here knows that the largest day of the day in the state of Colorado is here among so we had the largest largest day of the day celebration does everybody know what question was asked that started it so our former museum director passed away Martha Clevenger asked the question as to why do Latinos not come to the museum and we gathered a group of Latinos and we asked that question and they said we didn't know we were welcomed and what do you have that would be meaningful and attractive and we created the day of the dead and that became more and more bigger like much like inclusive communities we've outgrown all of our facilities sometimes those questions are really helpful to us finding a way to really highlight our communities of color a DODT community as an asset in our community so I point that out Segal de Mayo is the only celebration in the state of Colorado where there is no alcohol and no tobacco it is family oriented we don't know those historical pieces that also created change or those historical stories that also inclusive communities started because there was a group of folks that felt that council our decision makers did not see our communities of color so we brought them into the civic center mall and when the Tongans and the Peruvians were having a dance off and no one wanted to go into city council meeting city council said well I think we should find another place but the interactions the relationships that happen I think are very important everybody knows Rita Lu and the amazing work that she has done around Chinese New Years so I think those those relationships are key thank you okay that asks the master and he is back and you have four main areas and our question is what does success look like so shall we start with housing that's important throw that to me what does success look like to you all so we have a team I have one yes the people who work here can importantly they so choose to live here I'm thinking about our teachers our police department staff but we have no more safe thoughts is there no longer safe okay obviously it makes great sense because there is no longer a meeting well what does success look like does that mean that there is always from day to day someone needs it is that what no more safe thoughts would mean would that be something important well safe thoughts are people who live and work here so attacks along the way is the same I mean if we have more safe thoughts safe thoughts are short term decisions but some of them fall out of their housing and they can be home is when you say no more safe thoughts would that mean that there are enough units there is always a vacancy I would suggest enough units but if you want there to always be a vacancy there is also this balance of trying to make sure that you don't have too many vacancies yes but there are always vacancies probably not just in the LHA but in all the communities there are always vacancies not about numbers of units certainly I would salute what's up there somehow for me success would be letting in a community less characterized by moving and I don't know how much how responsible we are or can be for vending or altering that perception one of your slides yesterday you used the other actors please please in my manner somehow we could alter that actually plan that inspirational goal I saw somewhere my attention that we could what have some influence on it I know we can't own it people some eyes to let you use their hearts somehow maybe it's just basic economics the fear that people have a different kind of housing unit in my neighborhood somehow it's going to diminish my housing value which I don't think there's any evidence for the crime what's the contradiction we're counsel we're counsel plays into this what do we need from you I think in the last conversation I believe they were at that and they were curious when you talk about that they said we need housing and here's what we need housing because of these issues and I think there was really that point of digging into that topic in my backyard by saying here's what we need those are examples to say well how do we handle that I think that's what we need to talk about so I think there's a way to incorporate that for me to be something that the counsel have had some impact there's a matter of mobility so as people move through their lives swear they need to live change I hear because being on the senior advisory board there's people in their big houses and they either have the ability to downsize because the stock doesn't exist because it's as expensive as their house and nor they have the ability to make their house more accessible that would allow them to stay there so that's it's a nuance but it is also a co-related thing how do you how do you make your upper story into a new how do you find the money to do that so that you can still live on the life there's all kinds of real there are barriers that we don't know so because it's so expensive it's a great point we almost need to layer in that life cycle journey and journey map new home buyers to this point maximizer needs and then I think that's a good way to think about it so Marcia I characterize that as housing is accessible and flexible for various stages of life everybody who wants to move up or down can any other one about housing the only other question we had and it's something we heard from Chiquilla yesterday in the first slide that Glenn put up he had two the two pictures from the code speak to I think the missing middle that we talked about before I guess if I had a better understanding of what percentage of housing stock that's either proposed or underdeveloped would fit the category missing middle if there's anything we're doing with code because in the light of the month that would be a question is there anything we have to do with code that would enable or send or signal that we'd like to see of the missing middle so yeah we can answer Valerie has to do that and light up I have a whole lot of slides there's a lot of code work we can do because I think you said today that housing stock would be a thing that would probably work out be attainable I think the closest project that I've seen was some out home housing stock 66 and I could go into my way while they say from the 500 the reality was 650 and it was no more than this a little bit and so I don't think we're starting to see some of it come in a little bit or we can get it to come in but the economics are really driving that because we see zero for sale it's a little bit more affordable outside of what happened we had a presentation a couple of years ago it was all about the missing it was a good presentation we identified everything from street quits to sidewalk quits to tree numbers of trees building materials neighborhood character all those things that we have shown up in code but we've never gone back to that well now because I was the money director then so I believe council did not direct us to move forward with the several of those things so missing it will be a lot of things it could be as simple as do you allow 280U's per lot do you allow more duplex, triplex I think some of those while we've changed our code and have loosened up what the standards are between the attached single family and detached single family I think we have a lot of envy around those types of things in existing single family neighborhood we are predominantly forwarding that per acre density community so that shift of that kind of housing I think is absolutely on board but it's going to it's going to take some I think it's got a radical so that success and care would be that if we could calculate percentages of new housing stock in a particular category we could mark improvements in that type of housing stock over the next five years or two part of what's going to come out of this as you can see this is what we were working on the last couple of years you all approved the price calculation you all gave us direction on the securities the housing assessment that's coming in is something that I think will inform some of this I'm starting to see the preliminary numbers shocking just on the rental side we're short and that's the piece that I'll inform I think the basis of how we're comparing and what we're building and I think it's your can see some of these other code changes that are associated with the attainable B waiver that's what you all have directed us to do that's going to be coming on April 4 that's what took a long time to figure out the D restrictions associated with it and then the design standards to allow more flexibility with utility setbacks because the model that we have in our seamal family structure will not produce this annual indefinite and affordable homes and so we're having to look at how do we maximize density to really get those more self-products so that you can actually have a well-generated home isn't it? how do we maximize density to really get those more self-products of a well-generated home isn't this because people are always running there's no well-generated and deep people in silence as you're thinking of what does success look like I think there's another indicator that I would throw out is maybe we can work on this but what I told you all yesterday about housing is the technique how we communicate it to we have a housing crisis that will become a financial crisis and an economic development crisis as we can hire people and when they can live in our communities and at times it can become an operational crisis so if we have to continue to re-look at our boundaries to where our operations staff can live with response times and we have to keep pushing that further there is a tangible impact on the service we provide and it's not just us it's schools and it's the employer base and as I said yesterday the ultimate risk is people can't hire their employees to work in these places and then they end up having to make other decisions which then creates a spin cycle you see in cities all the time and look at the mid-west and see where it's up and through that so kind of rehashing some things to have you all think about what this is like you know what let's back out to like what this is like is that question on the table because I don't know what we do with demonstration neighborhoods or highlighting the demonstration neighborhoods that we often have like which is so gorgeous in summertime you know but we need acceptance you know we don't need nice lovely town boom developments at home farm and at champion greens and the resistance is still holding we need to we need to do something to obtain acceptance and I think some model to ease in with the areas of change you know I just talked about here now but we also talked to a journalist from the Guardian who is using writing about prospect and why it is both and the ill perfect example why it didn't change the culture of the community I hope that's what she writes about but we do model communities that you know a lot of work but there are many ways to change the public attitude about density and seeing how how wonderful a community that is more dense, more lovable more varied can actually be well I was just going to say in a certain concept you can only do that by actually building it in a sense that remember all the pushback rounds Rosebell Park apartments right and I think it's the same thing change is scary for a lot of people but once it happens they tend to adapt to it the adaptability of the human you know of humans is pretty remarkable once they're faced with it and so sometimes you just go make hard decisions and put the things where they go so are we going to do that so early childhood what does success look like well I've always seen this this is herald early childhood and yeah the way I've always heard it is early childhood and education that seems appropriate actually it's your favorite preference for early care and education success for exciting every student to the degree that parents want them in a place are placed in an environment that is a development appropriately and affordably accessible in high quality should probably have zero to five okay and zero to five because we didn't have this as three to four right yeah so every zero can we get the neighborhood aspect of it there somewhere we should be able to build one in a location where it's not there it's just like a food desert part of what we're looking at is child care deserts there's no child care deserts that's about the accessible affordable affordable when you're a parent who does the work you want your kid to either be close to home or close to work you don't want to have to drive 25 minutes if your kid has fallen on their head nearby do whatever that is work down do it real quick just look into this slide it's getting real tiny it's my problem and not yours well it's just maybe every five year old at least living within the city limits along the line I wish we could experiment at least the same right now arrives in kindergarten school right you know I'm not ready to put visions or anything like that I'm not you said I like you okay got it already alright school ready school ready kindergarten school ready okay five year old four year old grad school kindergarten so every incoming kindergarten yes how would you put it in kindergarten yeah yeah that's better now you can say arrives arrives in kindergarten any other ones for this one I'll just say amen amen I was going to give you an amen earlier just keep that inappropriate moment I'll always take an amen transportation that's a lot Christiana your joke transportation and you know I wish aren't you on your vision you're talking about mobility you're talking about more of a one type of transportation so what is success thanks for saying close all the emotional transportation accessibility all residents for all mobility for all mobility yeah yeah social I think I'm sure the other council members probably got straight up hang on here I want to make sure everyone's over here sorry I think most of the council members probably also got emails in the last day or two that were all specific to connectivity issues where yes we have bike infrastructure here but it doesn't connect anywhere and so I would think that connectivity is built out or something along those lines arts full connectivity is built so that's what's spent on all of this things full connected or if you think it should be if you say it's difficult it's not right well I tend to like it I tend to think that we want to keep it at the level of the so many community members that might not understand that I understand that if you know I tend to think that it's not really set complete connectivity and transportation I don't like the way that sounds because it's not just by the word yeah yeah but you want to talk about sleep too, you want to talk about health at zero mission zero for concepts especially so that they can get out there they can price the street especially on busy streets or on main streets they don't have to take the life into their own hands how likely you want to call those zero interactions right? yes so if we have zero interactions that would be success we'll talk about zero there's a lot of serious questions we understand there's going to be accidents and crashes and digits are also prioritized with destinations yeah it's also safe for the whether it's realistic or not, it's inspired to not have which is all I thought it was zero traffic fatalities traffic prioritized pedestrians doesn't get cyclists no but I think it's higher up on a couple of dollars the traffic we were talking about transportation we wanted to go in the next couple months it's flipping an area so we're going to talk about pedestrians for bicycles and transit riders not necessarily check the third one it's better to have a higher level of focus on traffic traffic it's moving from a car-centric focus just to change the focus of a human focus is you can manage that car that the city welcomes people without comfortable people it's not a requirement that should be to your point I have this money back to people's pots it's not a requirement it's well about $1 a year without the payment do you get any insurance? insurance no no transportation I'm going to interject myself a little bit you're going to see some of that transportation the transportation system facilitates affordable and affordable housing because I think we often forget about that but a robust transportation system will facilitates just that housing we have some developments now that are in that left town sort of wanting the streets that are so difficult to get insurance and external transportation now it's really cool looking and edgy at the time when we were putting it in but really disconnected to the reality of getting people from point A to point B without using the car that's very insightful okay one more everybody all right give me a thumbs up if we're good thank you we'll get you home at least a month back then stains some of it is the plan right but you'll be too narrow minded about that of course these happen to be a lightning round the other thing that occurred to me was Council Member Wires in this particular section mentioned the idea of being able to seize the opportunity to come up with an area keep us in point our main street specifically to the downtown area or are we talking about the extension you're super cool because I this brings me up to a thing that's kind of held but suggestions of what long lines should get in regards to the sort of industry that comes in and it always felt like it was kind of like you guys should get that stuff but you know it might have been a gene pool or maybe diversify our employment base was kind of sometimes the doper it's one of the things that I always but mine is kind of the issue that when you say seize opportunities how it's like you mentioned today about having a group that you should come in and relocate here and everything but you know are we looking at those diversified businesses are we're seizing opportunities so your point is not like seize the opportunities that they present themselves but also work, actively work to attract opportunities yeah to that point to your point about recently and I would say in the past year and now there's a lot of perspective on trust with the directors on some of the things that they bring up as we all individually look at these so so a lot of it so not only actively work to attract opportunities but opportunities that we want in our city not just in I think you have some vision plans that they give about things to improve that plan as well for me I know we had entertainment all of that when I visited the high school we all know that the youth want something that's fun and it will be really nice that we can have something with the youth in mind where we can have our younger generation also utilize that space to be proud of I have to I would go a little further on that yeah that keeps our youth in our city I mean many of our other cities so it would be not just you educate ourselves on what I don't know how to say it but up to date like real product gaming because that is the new thing kids want well it doesn't have to be just kids I mean younger adults too younger adults go different because it's not here, it's nothing to do here she'll give you that I never felt this cute you're cute she's done that herself that section does an economic development thing too it's kind of like those movies in the park you know that sort of thing like which you did in the area that was almost like a driving movie theater or gaming in certain aspects of that certain kinds of gear that we can show everyone when we can maybe have a gaming aspect outdoors the next week would kind of make that worse the both for me imply a real proactive approach on part of city staff in this list of this part of the list of priorities because there are others that love this it just feels like this one as much as I love the work you've done ought to be more opportunistic as opposed to proactive or responsible but there's some work required to draw something which you can respond which would be a real clear, crisp compelling vision of possibilities in this part of town it's not like maybe it's like we're constantly developing that kind of vision we've got a head start on that but if we're going to list 2 and 3 that has to be that's where I'm going to measure progress in a year from now you know there are other pieces of accountability so how do we promote it and I'm just not certain that that's where we need to put you right I would feel like number 3 you sort of acted on last time by asking these services to make recommendations around which I think fits right into that so how is the record routine doing how is the collective impact record routine doing maybe the council needs a readout from this before before we codified that whole point completely so maybe this is work with LAPP yeah that's what I was going to suggest because the LAPP knows what council is looking for and rather than just work commercial places for people to work like I mean we've got sponsors and working and we also have a different vision that LAPP would arise that helps that yeah so success for me especially the main street I hear it often times the east side of it will give something more to that more to side equal amounts as I do you know that all sections of main street that have robust economic opportunities businesses and vitality I would do do your primary badge on those words but you know I would like to see that all all areas are given equal attention to you and do you mean that you would want to approach that for the additional taxation that's good you know so you know it could be or it's for an area of town authority you know that a big arrow in my head yeah certainly already Jody's talking about this I think you know I'm going to latch on to the comments you all made about where others would do it but maybe we reach out to the chamber and ask the chamber to really be that initiative with the businesses on more main street to look at the creation of the general of the district or something just the same funding sources it's a time to say I mean we do it then it's the same people that are doing housing yeah I don't know but if there are other people that would engage with having to take the leave the merchants need to take the leave the chamber could facilitate that because I think when I talk to business owners a lot of it is they don't know how they don't have time they're just facilitating that and leading the way I think a lot of people the yellow meaning is downtown downtown downtown that's what I'm trying to so could we just add in there also the Tino chamber because there's that section of 9th Avenue there that has such a strong grouping of businesses that it just seems like such a spot that have that really developed in such a strong interaction one of the challenges of North Virginia is the number of businesses that are in buildings owned by landlords someplace else contrasting them the property owners down to voted in the creative district voted the tax themselves in uptown that's going to require landowners who are not business owners that's the tension on North Virginia I was in a conversation once with folks about where to start with that maybe in terms of a co-op in terms of purchasing and maintenance as a way to test the ideas that is where maybe maybe the chamber just to just see what's possible but I know that the ownership issues are so different but maybe we could get one of our local banks to put together an investment plan that would persuade both the tenants and the landlords to somehow come up with a solution probably enable them to I think that's certainly starting any more I think would be a little hard to manage so my proposal is for you to rely on your CEO now to bring back those metrics that would follow along with these designers with six of them I thought you had too much to do wow but how do you know what to do I had a bullet three yesterday's slide right next to the last slide bullet three goals meant a lot you offered that up I feel like I heard that what this does is what we're doing really keeping you here and then we will take this it's manageable enough if you look at the last slide this is manageable enough to take this and I think in fairly short order this will be the work that this group is going to be engaging in in the next few weeks in terms of how we do this obviously we'll bring in strategic integration into this we'll build that onto this so that we will report to you but you will also have the ability to go in on your own and in communities can we talk about this going forward as our work plan, not the council work plan it always bothered me a little bit that you didn't know our work plan and staff didn't necessarily own our work plan it shouldn't be our work plan it's the council work plan it should be something on which we are all working to get very reasonable I agree I think this is a little bit of a process where it was a collective giving take if you're moving through this which this is our work plan okay so I'm recognizing that it is five until three and I know that we are running to head off at three you want to offer any ordinances before you go and we'll take a break and say a few and we'll do that too well then a lightning round it is are you ready what ordinances would you like to review recognizing everything you heard today about work mode and priorities and everything you just laid out there for us what would you like to review so I thought one that doesn't have to be immediate but maybe has 18 months to be worked out and that is section 14.32.040 residential self-generation I only got 14.3 14.4 14.32.040 okay residential self-generation ready it can allow 200% of last year's consumption and fix the problem where you don't have access to that you can't get it for a minute at all and it needs to be tied into some incentives for solar plus battery or other electrification incentives and it needs to be tied to the capacity of the neighborhood so just like you can only have so many short term rentals in an area I'm going to develop a theme that will be discussed in pretty much but similarly it needs to be kind of the first health first service situation to tie it to the capacity of the grid in the neighborhood or the consumer can pay for the upgrade if the consumer can we have consumers who have already done that pay for operating the service to the house and I'm not trying to dictate all of that I'm just saying all this stuff has to be in it and that you know what needs to be there for about 18 months and so on it doesn't have to happen that fast I heard you mentioned the word storage yeah I said storage solar plus battery or electrification plus solar right here didn't it start storage in another column because it's tied to the capacity yeah right we don't want to logistically give you the trouble okay what else I'm not going to give you code numbers but whatever we have to need to address the code to address the missing middle the bundle missing middle maybe I should say the bundle of code changes to address the missing middle housing style when we talked about the more we just didn't get the direction and is a reflection of what we heard that would be one secondly I think we ought to not ignore what anymore I don't know if it's the SDR or the short term rental ordinance to refocus on that and what we are allowing or not and the reasons why SDR is for you to use it well I don't know it's actually safer if the talent is right it's true I don't mean to argue just want to get it and I had a conversation with Harold so you kind of know we had a conversation about this what you were going to bring back at least give to me so the question was Susie had been hearing the ADU's conversations and if it was part of a strategy that communities are using it would be an important policy for the same or it might entourage us if you look nationally that is one of the strategies that they talk about and we have information on that we can send it to all other councils that's part of what we're going to hear from you can you give parenthesis there of government policies so new zoning policy so by right I would like people to go in somebody knows what makes it to the legislature exactly right what about some things that we've heard from folks that have talked to us before and councils sent us emails to Striders Point 16 years ago talking about how we have some sort of transportation for the system something that the US staff talks about that whether we do it ourselves or whether we do it ourselves okay since we are which we should address ADU's we also should address lands and marijuana I don't know what that says I don't know what you're playing Canada's Hospitality Canada's Hospitality yeah it's like how's the little we all should know Sandy can we say remove say local transit local motorized transit or microtransit or something because grid is prescriptive grid name may not be the solution microtransit or grid filter system because that's what Striders is not behind you did we ever resolve I don't think we have resolved conflicts between the inclusion of inclusionary housing ordinance that we adopted and what is in our land use codes where I can go back to my files and dig out the conflicts I don't think they have ever been resolved but maybe there was I think there were some where it tied into the 11 inclusionary housing issues we were going to deal with once upon a time we dealt with the nine of them and I think two of them to that point, Sandy of the government policy that should be land use policy since that's what it is highly government policies land use policy there you go because it does address the inclusionary housing and what we need so that's why I stand there with us so we had a conversation a while back with water staff about how we need or don't really need the irrigation of green areas around subdivisions that are long arterials I know that's one I've gotten from staff to look at modernizing that Jeff, can you explain that a little bit if you say looking at our our there's free tap, there's free water in the arterial tap so in that section five is probably just yeah the landscaping standards can we end now all in with landscaping standards and alignment with our sustainability plan as we can stand up that's what we've been talking about landscaping standards free water tap sustainability plan except that we're kind of moving in different places so we can think about the rules and that's one that we're actually looking at we're actually just talking about it I'm always been wondering about school districts are they metered or how they are getting the same as residents or H.A.s they're operating from a local system they're in a commercial level the school district does have to use that in a different way because that's their ownership okay so when I was in a training with Valerie a couple weeks ago we were talking about how we're using next light cameras and parks and stuff like that is there anything that we are in a position that would get us in trouble in regards to filming people and stuff like that and just making sure that that's not something we should press down so we keep it we have a data governance team that does work on what that privacy looks like so we do have a data governance agreement for the cameras and what that looks like and it really goes with that so when I watched the data show where I stopped it it was actually on long run they were utilizing private phones and so between that commercial public space you're dealing with private cameras okay that's the right question that's a good question we talked about September 10th and applying that in 24 hours one of these in parks I'm sorry 12, 170 years one of these in parks we've been a lot of crimes just by doing that especially if it's a September design is that it's not an ordinance more operational more operational but a group that did go to the September training and they are bringing back our conditions and the other ordinance how about thinking about talking about expanding that's an ordinance what are you I'm just trying to I'm just looking like you know any other ordinances that you're dealing with that for modernization I don't think about because we did get a lot of buy-in for building the kind of neighborhoods that will demonstrate the new style of living that we want to promote also because the model of gathering people in big office buildings has kind of collapsed and they need to be more excuse when they are 4.10.010 eliminated 50% requirement in sub item E8 in favor of some percentage that's lower like 5 to 10% because office intensive districts don't exist anymore but we do need intensive living in these two neighborhoods 4.10.010 eliminate the percentage of what there's a 50% requirement for 50% no more than 50% residential in these mixed use districts are okay for that pardon I was trying not to say it was talking about residential in those districts that's exactly what I thought you were talking about the new percent and it's 53% and our MP is filled down in those who are not building that way did this right then eliminate the percentage of what the 50% residential in these mixed use districts I'll study what we need to figure out what the right we don't want any one of the purely residential stuff but figure out what the right mixed use area should be there are things like looking in ground source heat exchange subsystems that would need special financing that's an important justification for that we're going to have this is probably pretty important how we can develop more businesses what could they be yeah we just have yeah we just have everything at 4.72 3.49 we've not been talking about the necessity to as a Frankenstein section so we'd like to make sure we're seeing how we want to bring those incentives forward to council and Jessica we started that before COVID so it's been in our minds and I should mention if your council was a table of other ordinances that we had plans to grant for so there was some public safety there was some public safety there was some public safety and a lot of public safety there was some public safety so will they just be coming back for orders? those kinds of ordinances change is definitely back as operational we just wanted to get your great start and to be clear with you all so obviously we're talking about core services we're talking about what your goals are and then we're talking about this so the decision making process is going to be core ordinances related to core services your goals, ordinances related are not where there's not a great connection we will work within our capacity so some of these are related to housing so obviously that will slide in there but some of them that aren't directly touching one of your primary goals that may have to weigh up a little bit so back to just real quick when you said somebody to be related to housing can you give any ordinances to have an assessment of housing the condition of those housing and the idea to be good yes yeah I had it was at the bottom of my list because I couldn't find the ordinances our habit of moving ordinances are like it can't be fewer than a person at least square feet and it can't the buildings have to use this the state have the habitability for a well meeting it are really weak but we can strengthen our habitability for this currently so currently we're adopting the talking maintenance code that's part of the family by the CC codes international codes right that's what we adapt that's what Dave and Alexandria expect to work through and I can talk to them and take a look at that okay what we have now is really we can barely build air conditioning build hot water or something and it's beautiful okay, am I wrong? no we have to have running water yeah we have to have running water if it's not necessary or not alright that's why okay, we're going to take a five minute break to let everyone who is here from the public that has not signed up for public and private speakers feel free to use that are everybody ready? yes alright Ruby you have four okay, my name is Ruby this mountain this mountain is where the four primary sacred mountains are the Navajo people or the dead it represents the eastern boundary of the Navajo eastern lands it's a part of our creation stories it is important to me that I have been in just north of La Jolla near the county of Christo in the south way of the beach so named after Kate Carson Kate Carson was an American soldier who implemented a scorched bird campaign against Navajo people he was responsible for carrying out the federal government's plan of rounding up the people and making them walk hundreds of miles from Northern Arizona to an interned camp at Los Cabe Redondo in eastern New Mexico it's known as the Long Lawn the Navajo people have suffered immensely just like the Arapaho and Cheyenne people suffered at St. Creed it's an abomination that a deep honoring Kate Carson a murderer is near a Navajo sacred mountain it's an abomination that a street in Long Lawn is named after John Evans the one who stole the coins that brought about the St. Creed massacre the city prides itself and has paid the sister city of the Northern Arapaho of Lynn River please honor that relationship by removing John Evans name from Long Lawn forever and I appreciate Council Member McCoy reading this issue to God Thank you Mike Schnauzhauer Hey there I'm Mike Schnauzhauer 69 River Road I have an interesting two notes at first I would like everyone to know how incredibly thrilled I am at what transpired here today 15 years ago when I first spoke to City Council I addressed them in the Council chambers about the imminent threat of a hundred-year flood point or a flood event that could cost $300 million of damage how the threat of this was exacerbated by climate change so if they were proactive they could build a vision for the River Road as an economic engine for the city a vital cultural and social part of the city going back to the original reason that Chicago County came here away that way to see the change over these years of course we had a flood event that helped expel great things for good or for bad but to see the change we had a flood the City Council for the citizens for the staff for the incredible change of the difference between night and day that I've seen over the past 15 years and the courage it took of this community for citizens and particularly the staff to make that change happen so I'd just like to acknowledge and really applaud that it's just night and day that I did not see brought into here today I didn't prepare a statement I just jotted down some things but I would like to see more conversation around the issue of systems thinking because the issues that we're talking about here are more complex than they're all intertwined it's what I would refer to probably now as the public crisis the intertwining of the wicked systems like climate change sustainability, environmentalism sustainability and a couple of things that were not mentioned the digital revolution and the threat of economic downfall if we don't get proactive around the threat of the digital revolution and the impact it would have on the jobs and the economy I'd like to so a way to address systems thinking a little more digestible is the phrase multi-solving if we can build more walkable, biteable communities where you don't have it on a car and you meet the basic human need of being able to live without being forced on a car you help address issues like budgetary issues that allow monies for health and education and all these issues we're talking about just quickly, equity intergenerational equity we have a moral obligation to provide political plans we have my generation as a moral obligation provide a livable planet and a flourishing future for the next generation since they had war and we need to go through the conversation about equity lastly housing is a building where we talk about construction defects law, municipal code and public wealth funds thank you I love your passion I love it you can stay here follow thanks yeah the street name things some of you were here and remember when we changed Chedrington Drive one of our members was Ernie Graylin his grandfather settled in Burlington in 1859 and Chedrington's people came through and he was out loud and they said you're coming with us you're going to be one of them they put a gun to his head and said yeah you're coming that's how they recruited some of the people to engage and set up a great massacre and once we lost in city council some of you know who the council was then and we got an approval to have a plaque explaining who Chedrington was and then the city council who had brought us down then they said okay we'll change the name because they didn't want history and history they gave me nice awards here but they prevented me from speaking for the last couple of years Jim Jordan the black lady poet wrote a book saying some of us did not die some of us were still here I talked to Bernard Lafayette two days ago he was the first SNCC organizer to go in the cell in 1963 we had a good talk and he said I'm going to take the cell and put it on the map of the world and we did I was an internal security force for the march on Montgomery marched all day and led security all night and I would not have the chance to speak someday but anyway part of it digital next life I on my trailer but I have to red flag and they prevent us violate us from getting next life we're not allowed to have it because they they half a million dollars in two elections they won the first election two years later we defeated them everybody else got next life but not us we paid 80 times more per service because I live in a trailer and they're bribing a direct TV and Comcast for bribing the regional but it's big they lied to us they said contract ran out in January and we should get it no, no, I changed my mind I decided no, we'll steal it for a few more years and we paid twice as much money for 140 of the service so everybody else gets 80 times more of internet service than we did for school in the trailer I don't know thank you Strudler Ethan he was there with you did she heal? Mayor of Rivers County City staff I want to thank you again for a little bit more of your time I promise to stop you today I said it yesterday I'm going to say it again I will probably say it again tomorrow the price of housing is too damn high this is the choice that we collectively make we make it every day we have big decisions and actions big and small what permitting office says how the council responds to residents what opinions about the global environment rules and put out the books what can we vote those choices all have a reaction out to them sometimes bad but the most important thing we do in order to bring down the cost of housing is to examine those choices and revisit the ones that could be improved Broad public support from the diverse group were reexamining those choices and making better homes. Some of us are here today, but I promise you there aren't many, many more of us. I say this as someone who's part of a generation filled with anxiety while the future holds for us and who desperately wanna set down the roots in a community that's even afford to live in. I also say that as someone who deeply loves the city and wants it to be the best version of itself that it can be, both for those people who made it what it is today, but also for the people who have been on this year for around 100 years. I wanna thank everyone on the road who committed this year for revisiting these choices on the land development code and the transportation code and a number of other areas. And for the commitment to turn the corner on the cost of housing, it's gonna be very exciting to work with you this year to make the city the best version of it. Thank you. Thank you, Shukio. Trisha, my name is Trisha. I just wanted to really crack home two points that are important to me. One of them is the pedestrian friendly nature of the world as well as housing. First of all, I know that the division's real estate is one of the very important to council. And first I wanna thank you and the engineering department for installing the crosswalk, the lighted crosswalk app I'll review and deal with. However, as a blind person, I have to travel independently on my own. So I know that all of the hazards, even in downtown, there are many, many intersections where there's no paint, no signs, nothing, and people just tear through there. So every day I go downtown, I feel like I'm taking my life with my own hands. And I just, I really have a vision for long long as a pedestrian first community. And so I just really, I don't have the importance of that because it isn't just good for me, it's good for anyone. So any particular, I'm helpful with the flashing lights because they're up at a viewpoint where the drivers can see. So that's what I wanted to say. For a second of all, housing. While my house is thriving, musician and artist community, and it breaks my heart that it's so difficult for people who are the creative life of this community to not be able to work housing. So I would just wanna encourage you to look at any ordinances, land use plans, something that will provide good solutions to make that housing affordable for everyone, which is really a basic care, right? Thank you. Thank you very much, Trish. Josie. Hi, everyone. I am also concerned about housing. And I think it's open, a big impact would benefit long long and from the revenue generated from it, you'll be able to build even more of the kind of community housing. I was doing research on this and some of them may think that it would be an incomeable, their family would be about $38,000 a year. It's not able to go to work to rent because the cheapest studio apartment there because there's a apartment that would be $5,000 a floor that is only an income just being considered a rent over there. I also saw that they'd be out of this morning have 45 vacancies in the individual apartments which is up to 11% of their total units, which is kind of unacceptable, like that's not the price that I'd market if it was, those would be filled. And they're not the revenue increase. Well, I think, thank you for listening. Thank you so much. Steve. Steph. Steph. Steph. Thank you. Well, city council, I appreciate so much of our richness that it's meant to pass over years and improving my capability. But as someone who writes a record on account as a primary need, means of transport, I feel like there's still some work to be done. Sometimes like I was getting downtown by a third and taking the bike lane, the bike lane abruptly stopped and stuff, that sunset, third sunset's also a pretty scary intersection for cyclists for other reasons. People who cannot or do not want to drive a car shouldn't be treated as second class citizens. And I shouldn't feel punished for doing the right thing and I'm not contributing another part of traffic. So I appreciate the focus on mobility and multi-mobile transport and walkability. More housing option and walking distance to businesses for use in cultural amenities would contribute a lot. Please make walking and biking a first-class experience in Long Island. Audrey, I have a question. Thank you, council members, city staff, mayor. I think we need to start building more affordable, sustainable housing that is also multi-generational here in Long Island. Several years ago, I was traveling to Oregon, and that's the one named George who was from Greece. We fell into a conversation and he was telling me about his house there. It's a multi-generational, three-story house. It's been in his name for over a hundred years. George's parents lived on the first floor and George and his wife lived on the second floor and his adult daughter and her small family lived on the third and final floor. When George's parents passed and his generation did before them, everyone looked before them. This was a great way to answer them because the older generation could age in place with family members nearby to take care of them. The younger generation, then the wisdom and the experience of their older family members, is better for the environment than using a much smaller footprint of a single family home. And it helps you create a generational well. We need to start building affordable and sustainable housing in Long Island and some of it needs to be multi-generational. Multi-generational, all of it needs to be walkable and bicycle friendly to the greater public transportation options. Thank you. Thank you, Audrey. Paul Atterson. Hi, Paul Atterson. I believe that we need to build more housing in Long Island. In order to achieve this, zoning laws should be liberalized to allow for more construction, apartment buildings, simple complexes and townhouses in the city. Minuit apartment apartments should also be reduced to a more limited entirety. Population in Colorado over the last 15% of the last census period. Every city in the state has an obligation to grow their houses to accommodate our new neighbors. If we fail to do this, Colorado will look more and more like California, where homeownerships completely out of reach for vast swaths of the population and low income people are displaced to their homes and even their state by the thousands. If we act decisively, however, we can ensure that Long Island remains a stable and welcoming community for people with all their loved ones. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Taylor Richland, who had to leave, but he gave his statement to Santa Cedar, who will read it. Hey, now I'm trying to read it. Hey, Taylor, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no more short place. I came here to encourage them to reform by encouraging them to execute in all of the same neighborhoods. This can help increase density, be ahead of the city finances and increase social potential by providing a third place within every neighborhood. That's how you make sure you style neighborhoods and increases walkability, reduces traffic congestion, ultimately increases our impact on the environment, reducing emissions, and preserving communities. Let us realize a city that is an organic living organism and contrary to the envision why not take these places of stability every neighborhood deserves the ability deserves the ability to have space and assess these women walking distance. Whether or not only comes with doctors off the small version of a farm to be a gatherer's space, but. The neighborhood dream is, let the neighborhood dream what they can to enhance our living and reform the different setbacks, locked in original sizes, encouraged our maximums allow a lot of immersion to densify existing neighborhoods while encouraging infant development on the same level. Thank you. Taylor? No. So I think all of those comments actually put a final okay on what we've been doing for the past few days, because that's exactly what we've been addressing. So we're gonna wrap this up, and Earl's gonna wrap it up for us with what he heard today. And then we'll do a real quick evaluation of what worked for folks and what they've achieved for them. So I think it is a good wrap up, what we heard when we started with how do we look at our goals and the households in the staffs collectively and what it was like. I don't know what that is, and I can't get it to stop. Stop, stop it. Is it a skate? Really? I was just trying to get a full screen. So as we were working through this yesterday, it's been a lot of time talking about what we were dealing with internally as staff and we talked about the importance of core services. And then you all, as we started moving through the discussion, said equity, sustainability, and safety are things that we have to incorporate within the DNA of the organization. So for me, Valerie is putting this together in real time as we're going, that's the foundation of the house. And in your houses, all this is strong in your foundation. And then you all added the walls of housing for all early childhood, care and education and transportation. And then we had steam there that you talked about, which really is that last piece of the puzzle which is the wood. And so in overwriting all of this is how we're working in climate action and what we're dealing with. So this was our visual representation of what you all talked about. And I wanted to just affirm that what you all was saying. Is this what you all were saying? And I'm not going to go over the details that you have, you just finished this, but this is the agreement that we're coming to as a collective to say this is what we're going to work on over the next year. What's going on later? I like the visual there. Thank you, good work. It's easy. It's great having all these folks. You see us all chatting and moving. We're reacting to what you are saying and building different components up. Real time, as you would say. Real time. I mean, it's real time. So I just want to say thanks to you. Thanks all the staff that have been here for two days. I will say in my 20 plus years of this profession and going through it, this is probably the first time that it really has been for me at Gold Setting Session where it is it's really just the life of working for this. And I want to thank you for your understanding of the core services and the challenges that we're facing in today's world and the staff of what we're doing. I think we have a really, you know, highlights of our future. Oh, you're being cheesy. You're the one that's really like this. Yeah, which for us, what that does is it gives us something manageable that we can wrap our arms around and we can really start driving forward through the base. And I just think as we continue to move forward as things are coming forward, my commitment is as things come forward from a staff perspective, if it's not in this arena, I will be managing that. As we see things come forward that could distract from this, I think we have to collectively manage that because we can very quickly spin out and not be able to focus on anything like this. So if we take that graph again, blow it up and post it in council chambers. So every time a scroll comes along or whatever, just rub it away and say, where does, how does it contribute to building out this house which is supporting it or, you know, growing our impact on, or reducing our impact on the planet? So I just can also ask where will this PowerPoint and information be? Will we present it to the general public as well? That's a great question. So first off, Morican has already changed your vision to events on the city council webpage. Oh wow. So those are already in place right now. I believe the next step is for Harold to bring back a more complete goal and metric documents back out to you all. All of these materials, we could certainly post it back out. Is that correct on the Athens? It's on page. It's not on it. But all these materials could be Athens, something all the time. They go into the conference room. They're going to be there after that. I don't know. Except the giant poster that we will make sure that we put into that. Eric is sending you all my presentation. Just if you're ever asked, you can see sort of how we work through Friday's conversation because I think that's important information for you all. So that people are asking you to do things. You can all refer to that and say here's what's going on. I understand that it's going to go into the other guys, but I think they're recording maybe even a couple of weeks it would be harmful to have on some sort of link in that. They're just because then people can access it and you can come to discussion points. They come out and talk to us, counsel that he's a finding it. So we've got him. Certainly one of the things that I think I heard was communication stuff for you all to ask. Now you can either hand out to residents or that you can have in your batch function that really remind you of today and work on that as well. And that's a reformatting with us internally. So I've already talked to it. This is shifting our communication plan as we're looking at this and what you want to do. So here I'm really good to do, but I want you to continue that when you have to pivot for many of our pillars or please let us know so that we can also appeal that to our residents then. Certainly. This is a brand new order for these residents. I think having called in disruptors, I think having a conversation on real, again, as disruptors are occurring, we're having that conversation to say, here's this disruptor, here's what's done. I think certainly what I recognize is that we didn't provide particularly great, hey, here's what's happening to each of these months or there were some sort of reforms that we can follow up with that effect. What's going back to the, since eventually, how did you take this to stand for you? She said she wanted a donut. I would be happy to take it. Thank you, sir. Yes. Marcia? Well, this is such a great visual. If esteem is a kind of a code word at this point, if we change that to public amenities or even the third place, we should have posted all around the city. It's not just inside of council. We'll kick the start of communications group. So they can work with the graphics system again. That already moving fast. I swear we did that house. I hope you do. I'm sorry, it makes sense to make those teams so that it makes sense to give them. Okay, so we're doing an evaluation. So you're at the end. What are things that worked well and things that you'd like to see different for next? The only thing that I can see is this, this group is absolutely great. But in my classroom, I have this little microphone that goes around my neck in a lanyard form. So I don't have to speak up. And it's really, really handy because I just can click it on and click it off and that sort of thing. And so now I don't have a teacher voice anymore. Like some may have, because of the fact that I don't have to have that. And this is, that would be so useful for this group in the first place and everything, and then they have a microphone and it's an outfit that does this. I can see when I get back to my classroom, if I consider it to be, it's really slick. Yeah, thank you, okay. It's just one of the things I do. I'd say you were well prepared. You did a nice job getting ready. I don't know if I've said this before. I've never been in sessions like this. Are you better at this or what do you do? So I appreciate that. And I appreciate the fact that you two teamed up to adjust and adapt in real time as the conversation goes. And then all the presentations from the staff. There was a lot of acting. Tracy, food was great. Yeah, food was great. Food was great. I would like to stop and get around and applaud for Erica. Erica's first retreat, I think she did. And she was managing me in the process. Oh, that's great. Yeah, that's great. What else? I thought that we, as a council, interacted with staff very well with each other. And I think this was probably the reason I got into the vest. Kudos to staff. And to you. Well, George, you did the salad. How did you work? I don't know about anyone else, but I did like it two days. Yeah. I was about to say, this was a really good place. And I can't go home. I'm not going to go home today. I was going to say an arrow to address this issue. Everybody around the table, I wish we could have a bigger table because we have a lot of people in the back that are really contributing to every great house and stopping by to see someone. So if there's someone to do more of that in the future, a bigger rounder table because having you guys across facing us was great. I agree with my vote. I have your issues. Your work comes in this part. Thank you. You're ready to adjourn. I don't think you have to vote. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.