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Yeah, we generally don't You know and and and watch my hand signals because if you if if you're We're trying to keep you know within time if I go like this or something like that or something like The pointy thing which that means we're gonna go for a break or I'm trying to get to another question or something All right, that's okay. There's Jeff Jeff is down. You could have just sent me the link, but it was nice getting a whole magazine Yeah, isn't it? I mean, it's very popular the tribunal owns a bunch of those things all over run the country And they're well done. Yeah, and people you know, like sometimes I go to Boston or Mayo I'll pick up one of those magazines because you get a lot of local stuff out of it, right Yeah, we went to the Lyric opera once and for 10 years they would send us their full-color brochure of Every opera going on at the the Lyric opera and the opera we saw was terrible I once get I once got on the the art institute in Chicago, you know with my boys and yeah Around and had you sign on oh my god, we you know, we have a rural mailbox I'd open it up and a million things from the art institute exactly and then they share it with all the other places Like oh man never give them anything Yeah All right, okay, I guess it's jump on the stream here and it is 459 sure I have the Five o'clock. All right Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop. How's everybody doing today or tonight or whatever you're listening to Our guest tonight is Harlan Hogan. Hey Harlan Hey, how you doing pretty good. Hey, you missed my birthday. That's all right The present can come in a couple days. Don't worry. What was that? It was on Saturday. Oh, see we're not Facebook friends. How would I know? We're we're for Libra buddies That's right Actually, somebody pointed out once that if you were born on September 30th, then you were a New Year's Eve, baby Just give it some thought Yeah, really really Alrighty, hey, it's time for voiceover body shop George and I are gonna talk with Harlan if you got any questions for him Throw them in the chat room because we will get to those questions on voiceover body shop starting right now Voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials calm the home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements the folks who bring you source connect The oh heroes calm become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor calm your voice over website ready in minutes voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success and by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent and Now here's your hosts Dan and George Well, hello there, I'm Dan Leonard as it says right there, and I'm George the tech with him and This is voiceover body shop or Vio Be as Well, did I show this last week? I think we've seen it in a few formats. Oh, okay. Yeah Found it founded in in Libville, Colorado Prince Albert has multiple Connotations I recommend googling at some time. Yes, exactly, but the old joke was is you got you have Prince Albert in a can Well, I'm out Anyway, tonight we have a very special guest somebody who's been with us before and is actually with us every week If you watch this show every week, that's right joining us from From Chicago is Harlan Hogan, but let me introduce Harlan Harlan has provided the voiceovers for countless best commercials documentaries and films Many famous advertising catchphrases such as strong enough for a man You never get a second chance to make a first impression when you care enough to send the very best and Quaker life. It's the serial even Mikey likes ranked 10th 10th in TV guides list of best commercials Had been performed by Harlan He's also written several books on the subject of voice acting and his company voiceover Essentials is the only outlet for voiceover recording equipment made for voice actors by a voice actor And he was recently interviewed by Chicago magazine In an article entitled Everybody's got everybody tells me I have a great voice and we want to talk about that right now. Welcome Harlan Hogan Thank you You're not gonna say legendary are you because I feel like I'm gonna die the next day, you know No, no, no, that's Mark Rao's private property. I think You know people tell me all the time I have a great voice guess who's not trying to do voice Yeah, you're me. Yeah, you don't want you don't want to Compete with your own clients. No, I don't know. Yeah Anyway, so, you know, you could have just sent me the link but no Harlan sends me the entire magazine and There's this great article For Chicago magazine about everyone tells me I have a great voice You know, sometimes I tell people, you know, I do voice. Well, you got a really good voice I'm like in that about the voice But how did How did you come about doing that particular interview? It was a very long article It isn't a very long article well written I think and covers a lot of territory Just out of nowhere, I did not know tell before this He just sent me an email and said I'm kind of putting this thing together and I've heard your name a lot Could we do a zoom together? Yeah, sure. So we did and then I went off to LA to do some stuff for the Magic Castle and If you're good, I'll send you the picture of me in my black tie outfit. It's stunning and It's one of those he said thank heavens. I have the tuxedo and now I can justify the three times I've worn it in a decade, but anyway He got a hold of me. He said, you know what he had mentioned a golden age back in the day in 70s and 80s and the editors said we'll get some more on that so he came out to the house saw the studio and hung around together. He's a terrific guy and I think his journey is very interesting and very honest as he's taking classes from the really good people here and Trying to get his first agent and like almost all of us The first go around on the agent is probably not the one you're gonna get signed on but you stay at it and talk to them and promote and That was one of those out of nowhere things Hmm. Well, it was it was interesting what what I found it sounded like everybody's success story Now you started doing this at a very different time in this business I mean both of us did our backgrounds are very similar. We did the radio thing and you know, and that helped you know, some people get into into voiceover but But what we saw was hardly something that I think most people see in their careers, you know There was successful people and the ratio was probably not that good. What do you what do you think and? Based on what what we were reading No, it's a it's a small club I mean There was so much particularly commercials and also corporate narration and some on camera Chicago has a checkered past on shooting things here. It's much much much better now that it was but for years The mayors would say things like we you can shoot here, but we need to approve the script Well, you say that to a writer, you know, there's we'll go shit it from Philadelphia see you around But the commercial business was really Rocking and rolling and and there was a lot of work and some of that also was the ad agencies the way that they operated which was kind of unusual because I had done a little time in advertising as well and People Burnett in particular would set up teams when they got a new account and they would put together this whole package in competition with each other and then he would sit and look at all the storyboards and the pencil tests and all that and judge them and Famous for saying this this one this one gives me an idea and he throw it down But for the voiceover people and me being a newbie They would generally get the pros or even the amateurs in to well hey there It's David H. Lawrence with VO heroes and oh We want him to interrupt Razor blade live if that was without okay. I know I know the 17th. He's a good guy But anyway, you know Even not even knowing anything they'd say hey, could you be over here at one o'clock at the universal we've got six scratch tracks Which paid a hundred and fifty bucks which was fifty percent of a session fee Hey, and the beauty of that was you were actually getting directed by writers and producers soon if they liked you Would say him to get that guy back So it was a wonderful. It was a wonderful time. If you were smart you realized it wouldn't go on forever But it it was good. Well, it's really changed, you know with so many people in the biz What is it in your mind that allows people to succeed in this business a Lot of work Promotion treating it as a business Even when you get the audition and you look at it and laugh because you think it's stupid Send it back the person who sent it. That's a courtesy and there's a lot of floppiness in it. I think and If you can find a Classic if you can find in Chicago a niche But if you find a niche like the rest of the world Something you can specialize in and that that may be phone answering it may be medical narrations It could be any number of things That really helps. I think they're psyche. I do a lot now at my age a lot of political work And they're very loyal. I enjoy doing it During the season you come in it is not unusual here to have calls at three in the morning because the lawyers got a Hold of it and then we said that so-and-so did something we got to change two words He was he was possibly okay. I can do that hang on Happy to do it call anytime So I found that to be good and I think also just Longevity is important you start to see I think a long-term career Not just something you get what you look into in a lot and you're right a lot of the stories are that we look into it So part of it is also showing up. I forget whose quote that was but that was like 90% of success is showing up There are so many people Yeah, do what you say you're gonna do which is You know and and deliver when the opportunity comes Which is I think that's that's the the one thing, you know Somebody says well, I was doing I was in theater and somebody said hey try this and because they were actors they were able to pull it off immediately and You know, but I guess people the really good people continue to study and And try to keep up with the trends and stuff. What have you been seeing? Yeah, I mean you're I'm sure you're talking to a lot of voice-over people in your in your business and What what are you seeing as far as? You know what people are doing to try and keep up Well pretty much what we're talking about it's staying staying in there and and you kind of have a thick skin It is difficult Rejections gonna come over and over and over and over and over again And just get used to it but go back and listen to that audition for example and see if you can hear Something you didn't do or you might want to try next time and I'm huge on looking into scripts It's part of my theater background I could be a fan theater and I worked in radio as well as dad did and tons of community theater I can't tell you and dinner theater. That was that was a joy Listen pay a lot, but you got free dinner Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I was in the odd couple in both roles Felix and Oscar go figure not at the same time Oh, yeah, I was gonna totally totally different bodies, but Keeping working keeping doing it and look look at that strip Unless it's just totally like it would be an AI script like number one number two number three But look what's the storyline here? What are we trying to do? and if it's decent writing there there is a story in there and I don't think it's about how you have a good voice. I Never ever thought I have You know a good what is a good voice to a big D boys and all of those things That's not the point and it was back in maybe the early 50s or late 40s I mean, you know, you had the hand over the year and ladies have you looked at your laundry? Well, we did stop it Who are you talking to and what I was persecuting in the business there were still a few people like that and they were going Take the cans off and talk to themselves now somebody does that they're doing it because they're basically playing a character of That yes style of real of that genre. Yeah. Yeah back in the day that that's about the only time Anybody wants that kind of delivery and it can be very funny And the fact is to just take take time with copy take and break take a breath That's all part of one of the things will hopefully keep the AI kind of robotic voice away Like like the musicians say when they had the all of the electronic Musical instruments the problem was there were no clams For those of you who's not musically oriented there were no mistakes Yeah, and in Chicago in particular we have a wonderful jingle singers I mean God they were the best in the world and everybody they had they had to be super incredibly impressive Musicians because if you botched a take, I mean, there was no punching in there was no multi-track man It was like a one-shot deal and so the musicianship was like absolutely next level. Yeah, yeah And even doing voice over go to Universal and it was on an optical track And you read the script the whole script and got it in on time. Not that that's any pressure And when you did screw up and your mind went nuts they had you know, they had to roll it back So you'd be standing in this little booth and you just no no Harlan. No, no, no, no, no, no, you liked it. Okay, okay thing rolled back meanwhile your your whole work your whole career is passing before your eyes And but you get you learn how to do it and sometimes even you know, even do a little ADR on it and It was fun the thing that always cracked me up in the bigger studios here Universal CRC and Studio one When you work there Huge beautiful room with fabulous speakers and everything and you go, wow, this is great You got the singers doing like a good neighbors take one of these beautiful beautiful music going out and All the McDonald's stuff and then you go home at the time and Head your TV on and it had one of those little speakers about this big So the thing that sounded so great when you recorded it sounded I don't want to And you had to kind of say believe me it was really good when we recorded. Oh, yeah Hey, we're talking with Harlan Hogan if you're just joining us and we're talking about What's going on in the voiceover business reminiscing a little bit here, but what's let's get into what's going on today because There's I heard the word I heard the the letters AI in that last conversation Yeah, well, we'll get to that but there's there's all sorts of stuff But you know, we've got so many people in this business right now But we also have a lot of coaches It seems like if somebody can't make a living they become a voiceover coach I mean, it's it's very difficult to make a living doing that doing this these days unless you're an established talent Breaking in can be pretty tough. I mean, I just want to remind everybody if you have a question for Harlan Throw it in the chat room because Jeff Jeff Holman sitting there He looks very lonely and he will take the he will take those questions and get us to get it to us in a second See not now gave me gave you a chance to think about your answer there, Harlan So with all these coaches out there, I know I know I know and I'm not saying that they're all dead But there's an awful lot of people, you know with it It's to get rich quick scheme or will come study and we'll do Zen and Thing in the article that I disagree with is well You really should be taking improv classes because you're gonna be doing commercials and you're gonna be in probably trust me When you got 27 seconds to get something done, you're not improvising anything and I think that's a false a false idea Yeah, perfect on stage. It makes sense I think actually at one time in second city here in Chicago and Saturday night live was coming on and we had John Malushi and all these wonderful people We're coming in my wife at the time wasn't a very very very respected and very good voiceover talent agent She found out that some of the ad agencies were hiring the people from second city when they'd get there. There was no script They'd say yeah, we're gonna be selling this deodorant. What do you guys think and several of them would come back and say Leslie What are we gonna do when she she went to the union and straightened them out and said ah We know what you're doing. So there's an improv fee So they would get something like triple if they did improvisation, but this is things out there I saw this quote that I'm not and I'm not saying everybody is this but it's from a financial guy And I thought it was kind of interesting in terms of being coached or taught something But you may notice there are so many gurus out there. Everyone is a guru Why are they calling themselves gurus? I'll tell you why because it's too difficult to pronounce and spell charlatan Yes I'm sure in the financial world. That's gotta be a lot of it Very very much so yeah, I mean I mean when someone's looking for a coach I mean gotta look and see who are their clients? Who are their students? How they succeeded? You know, what was this person's record? They did one one spot one national flight spot and suddenly they're they're an expert or as you said a guru How do you find a good coach, I mean, are do you still take any coaching? No, okay. Well forget that. No Well from my wife. Yeah, of course That goes with that. So I don't but I mean I would I did early on But there was there weren't that many in Chicago There were plenty in New York who were doing coaching but hardly anyone and you basically went and you got a little job We're a little demo and you learn from all these wonderful talents around you What works and what doesn't work because you're actually performing? but I'm kind of in it, you know on both sides of that you can certainly had someone who works with you on Let's say your demo who really knows what they're doing that makes a lot of sense But I do think you got to do a lot of research Because if I read believed everything that I see in my mailbox every single day And I do have it there because some of many of those people Come to voiceover essentials. I want to see what what are they being? taught I just saw a new one and I want to I don't go too close on it, but it was so Big that I had to read it four times to figure out what it was. She was selling in this particular course Yeah, and I it's just me. So I sent it to a couple of other people around, you know We've been around a long time. They said I have no idea what she's talking about. What is this activity with voiceover? There's kind of a zen kind of thing you'll get in this mood and you'll read better like showing up Read the words clear That's your job. If you want a good book on acting get david mammoth's book. It's the only one but I think It's Any accuracy on it rather than all this stuff and I'm gonna try to get a background and find out What was I doing before I walked in the room mammoth says here's the script Your job is delivered in a free in a very clear voice No cute voices just read the words that I wrote The meaning is all in the words that are written And he's right If it's well written it's there You don't have to nudge it and laugh and turn it into something that isn't Isn't accurate now. He's basically talking about theater actors, but it's a heck of a book to read boy Really is a good writer surprise Yeah, exactly Once again, we're talking with harlan hogan if you've got a question for him throw it in the chat room Whether you're on facebook live or on youtube or watching on our our website Um We want to hear your questions too because harlan just loves answering questions from all sorts of people because he runs a business that It's all about voiceover, isn't it um, you know, yeah Equipment has really changed the equation somewhat why we see so many people out there You know trying to get into voiceover, you know easier access to technically being able to compete has become a lot easier What prompted you to start voiceover essentials? Desperation Kidding kidding kidding kidding kidding um Well, the store is such a bad joke and I have made it for a long time I think hey, you know what i've been doing this for Four decades 44 actually years And I've never had to have a retail job So I started the store so I could have a retail job. I mean, that's what actors do, right? But the store came about because of the need I had which was to record In hotel rooms and less than wonderful acoustic things and that was coming out of doing the political jobs When we're doing that during season I mean, I've done a couple hundred in the season We're just knocking them off knocking them off and then they change in the next day And it's good work But you know, for example, jeff and I with some books about home studios You know, we're out in las vegas at the national association broadcasters speaking In fact, I think we wrote in your car that one time george when we went over to have dinner The jeff fisher and me and you I took you to a great restaurant and big beautiful steaks. That's when I discovered your vegetarian No, I'm not a vegetarian. I'm pestatarian TST That's very funny But I started working on some way to do it beyond just building pillow forts because that's what we used to do You know, it was pillows or height mount or wherever to try to get the glass down. Of course there Everybody wants to see the strip. So you've got miles of glass, right and talk about a bass trap But that's when I started playing around with it and making some things out of foam core and this and that and putting Stuff in I just put it out because we had written two books Just put it on the internet and said, okay Here's a way you can record on the road on the cheap and that was basically taking this little laundry thing that I found a target for about seven bucks and Did caution them to buy real acoustic foam. There's there's another area where you see people. Oh boy There's so much crap. Oh my god, amazon. It's ridiculous. Yeah, and they just lie those guys just lie Yeah, so I I got it and I Real good article. I taught him how to cut foam because you can't cut it with the scissors Because it compresses And just set it out there and people kept writing me saying oh, I made one of these actually one time I'm early on on And I first started making and this woman complained because she had made a quarter boot And she didn't use and she flat out said I used a cardboard box and such and such and it just doesn't work Well, I give it no stars. Well, duh Are you nuts? But that they're out there But then it kept getting people saying we could you know, could I buy one of these things? One of the things was a big sheet of oral x or That's the other one. That's really good oral x is one Yeah, um, you know four by eight sheet you you'd have to get about five friends together and then make these panels Oh, yeah, yeah So eventually you think you know dummy these people are asking about these will maybe maybe I'll make some So I did I made ten of them And priced them at like 75 bucks. I didn't know but I was gonna cut the foam put it together in the basement They'd sold out immediately And so I started making them here. So in addition to doing voiceover and everything else I was manufacturing them here And then little by little they got a few more sophisticated I found the company who could build the pros are beautifully, you know the workmanship on it is fabulous And so once I had that it was like well, we got to put it on on the internet I'm going to go to amazon, of course and ebay and wal-mart And so just there I started looking there's the dogs. Um, is that that's leslie? look you There's nothing we can do about it. Just put the type But I started looking at a lot of the stuff out there. They're there. Hey jack. Hey, it's mom You know everybody tells him he has a good dog, you know Every single he's got a great dog. He does pretty good. Get that dog a job One of the things that did occur to me when I was kind of thinking about getting that product into something like bs new b&h And I started looking at the catalogs and the amount of stuff I wondered the first three questions and what microphone should I buy, you know, can I get an agent? You have a hundred different microphones And they all sound great on piano and drums and vocals No, they don't that's when I started talking to mxl about it and developing the vo1a They did a fabulous job on which then is pointing to let me say great microphone But we kept the price under 400 bucks, you know, despite inflation And very proud of that and the way they built it then you always gave us a great review on it And uh, well, then you kind of go. Well, what else could somebody use and the sign came along and then the cans came along they had headphones But I've kept it now. We still only have about 12 items in any one time I don't need to have two or three things and Hopefully someone who's new and they they know that they can trust me And I'll buy that mic and get these things and you know, we're in business Well, it's it's the problem-solving stuff that I tend to appreciate the most, you know, like the abs The adjustable boom stop. I mean, that's a unique device that fix Fixes a real problem because so many people get boom stands at banjo and porium And they don't hold the weight of a professional mic Not by the length. They're they're made to hold like a and that's some 58. Well, this is a fake one They're made to hold one of these and that's about it that's about the what they can muster, you know And the only thing worse would be that part that soap one that you can buy and sing in the shower. That's not really cool I think if I cut the end of this off it's sponge on the inside that that might work Um, but yeah, that that was a really clever solution to a problem and I thought that was great um and the You know, it's just yeah It's great making a product that people ask for and then just exceeding their expectations and making it better and better It's a really. Uh, it's a really cool thing. And yeah, like you said, I'm not trying to sell 100 things you're just choosing the really hand choosing the right stuff people need Yeah, you're right And it that is very rewarding. I mean it really is and uh, the thing I always looked at was Not so much show some people want a dynamic because we're used to cardio and condenser microphones Well, what's better? It isn't really the question. What's better? What does our client? Particularly on an audition or a job expect to hear So if you go in there with a cheap crappy mic and it sounds like out Your odds are greatly reduced of not getting the job Or if you have a decent mic, but it's just a completely wrong mic for the job That can still shoot in the foot and you can spend a lot of money on a not right Not correct microphone Because there's a lot of mics out there for podcasting and they're not the same thing, right, right Yeah, I find a lot of people if it's 39 dollars. It's not good. Let's just put Well, even there's 300 dollars just some not good microphones out there because they're not made for voiceover Don't buy stuff off facebook Uh, I think it's the it's the best thing to think about with that You know, but a lot of people keep buying these sm7b's and I'm like why who is suggesting this I'm hoping I got that out of the one catalog that uh Was promoting it heavily the last couple of years I would every year I'd email some sales reps. Can you get that mic? Can you take the word voiceover out of the description of this microphone, please? Yes, please. It's not it's not that you know, it is interesting too because at the time when I started The first thing passed the portable was that Nobody at that time had even in any of their ads sennheiser or whoever or road or Any of no one ever mentioned voiceover ever. It's great for singing. It's great for stage. It's great for everything I thought okay. I see I see a niche here for niche, but Yeah, I see and we did design it was soft in the folder And we put they're very good J Fets in it and mogami wire The only place we didn't spend too much money is the outer two because that would have cost A fortune to create so it has that standard look sometimes people got confused and thought that the less expensive version You know, it looks like it But you've got to know if that thing 79 dollars and this one is 389 there certainly is a difference Wake up Yeah, this mic's got all the best Like you said the best components. Yeah, once again, we're talking with harlin hogan and uh, if you have a question for We'd like to hear from you because you can go in the chat room and you can type out that question And jeff holman will sit there and look at it and go Yeah, that's a good question pass it on to us and we'll get to that in our next segment So stay tuned for that in the meantime. We're going to take a quick break I still got a couple of things that harlin and I want to talk about And we'll do that right after this This is the latin lover narrator from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on the voice of our body shop Just so okay, there we go Okay, this this is usually where we have our voice over essential spot so I figured i'd give harlin the opportunity to to sell it himself because i'm doing it every week, but he's the man and Tell us why people should go to voice over essentials Is this live? Yes, it's live. Oh, okay. Okay Because we narrow it down to the really good stuff if i've got my name on it You know, it's going to be good and you know, you can send it back if you don't like it I think i'm still the only mic manufacturer Anywhere that allows you to return a microphone and I encourage them We don't ask if it isn't for you because every mic will sound different right then on different voices and Sometimes it doesn't work as well Send it back Because i've got but I have a bunch of things over here that I purchased and thought oh, you know, it's okay But not great It also just to keep it keep it simple And try to try to improve the parlake every time we do have each time I've got a stand finally It's developed. They've been delivered It will hold your portable pro or plus beautifully made totally adjustable eight pounds And that'll be the next product that I put out because we always needed it We had a stand for a while but it was so handy It was unbelievably it cost more to ship it than make it and We sold them but then you know now Nowadays sounds like a really old guy, but now You know ups guy whoever us ps gets it and then tries to you know not break it Bricks Did not you still offer free shipping? Oh on that stand we did because we had we had to because otherwise We were charging more for shipping than the product itself But we no longer have it. It's just it was way too heavy way too much warehousing and stuff So this new one you could actually travel within it I had I like I've always done you take an existing product and find a way to make it Better for voice over not Any other reason so what we needed on this product was more height That a lot of negotiating with the factory because If you ever go into the world of getting things from not necessarily just china but other countries In the say what would it cost if I could take that product and do this that and the other and then you get a quote back And you say hey, that's not bad. You can sell that during recently and make a little money on it And then you realize there's this thing called an moq Do you know what an moq is dad? I do not know what an moq is you will now know So you see yeah, yeah, we that thing is We can sell these moq means minimum order quantity So if you see that so you see oh one of these oh, that's going to be 29 dollars In china in particular It's very rare to have anything less than a thousand In the moq. Well, hey, I'm not that big but I don't have a huge warehouse here. You'd have to move out It's tough. Yeah, you can't do that's worth saying for example mxl was so great because they could say okay, harland We'll give you an moq of 100 on these and see how you do That I could hand all right go on over to voiceover essentials.com because This guy says you should and I say you should We'll we'll be right back. George has to talk to you about source connect right George You got it Should we go straight to it? Why not? No bumper needed. 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I hope you love it This is bill radner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george widham v obs dot tv And we're back with harlin hogan Uh, again, if you've got a question throw it in the chat room. We have room for a couple of questions here Uh, george you want to take that first one from justin rummose? Happy to do it. All right, justin thanks for your question. He came in on youtube And the question is what is an improv v And does it still exist and or apply to voice acting? Is it only for union jobs? My understanding is you can do a bit of improv for an audition but charging the client for that I've never heard of this. Is this a bell to anybody else me? No, not you either harlin No, no not audition and as I said, you know For a while their producers here were taking advantage of the second city people, but that's gone That's job. You're gonna get paid because you're basically writing the script I wonder if you meant an audition fee versus an improv fee. Yeah But yeah, it's been proposed a lot of a lot of times over the negotiations that you know I've been involved with from time to time with union trying to get back a little bit And I do believe in the uk that you get paid For an audition it could be wrong on that but I think they do and Yeah, you can see some but well particularly if you're auditioning and working out in l.a And you can't even park the car. I love when they have a sign that says no auditions Because you can't park there. Yeah, thank you and You know, if you if you got to go from William Morris and you want to go some it's like three hours But I was just out there. I came back and said I I finally figured out the traffic in los angeles It consists of standing still Or going a hundred miles an hour. That's it. There's nothing in between. That's how they drive It's something to wrap rapid succession. Yeah. Yeah, you have to have a lot of patience to drive here, which I am I don't know about you george, but you know, it's you're on the highway more than I am but downtown Yeah, finding a place to park almost impossible And because of that we should charge a fee for that But you know at least give us a quarter for the meter Something yeah, they do have in the contracts if you are at a cattle call basically And there is I forget the exact amount of time you can be Sitting there waiting to go in an audition and if they keep you too long Then they have to pay you Oh, okay, so and that's been there for decades. I don't know how many people enforce it I mean, generally, I don't think I've ever enforced it because usually you're there with your friends that you haven't seen in a while We're all going to go have a beer 10 minutes from that. Yeah, so yeah, I can sit here But you can see the logic of it if you had a session coming up And you better get paid for this Sue mentioned something about second city at some time actually Paying something called an improv fee because you're basically writing the ad for them Is that was that a thing or that's probably a long gone, right? Uh, I think it's still in the contract and I know I was so proud of my wife for Going to the to the union and saying hey good. No no no no no no no this is not right You know, I can't send this talent over there and ask them to write your scripts I haven't looked at the contracts a long time, but I think it's in them. Yeah, and it should be I mean, yeah, yeah total sense. Yeah, I mean we talk about doing improv You know taking a class here and there so we keep ourselves a little sharper when we when we get a script Because you just want to do something different sometimes when you're doing an audition Ellen Conkeran Ellen Conkeran asks and she's on youtube. Hi Harlan. I am loving your experience How did you handle the evolution of technology as you were doing voiceover? Very well, thank you You know, I have really given a lot of thought to this with a smile, but when I look at My age now and you know, I always is interested in sound My grandparents lived in the little apartment and they had you know a little tune that you push the button and say hi grandma hi Even then and my mom was a dancer. So she had a record player and she taught dance in the basement to Kids who want to learn how to dance So there were always records around there's always sound around I would get in trouble all the time listening to radio stations You know with a flashlight reading and listening You know the crystal set is my dad might built one of those look it up You'll see it's Amazing thing that you can build with a kid. They still make them Did you like attach it to the radiator in your house or something like that? You needed a ground Yeah, you had a grand grant and you got this little crystal one thing called a whisker whisker And you do that as you move it is magical you're moving like hey You get something out of st. Louis. It's a 500 thousand watt radio station So I was always my dad would come up, you know, he was a steel worker So it was a little more Strigger than my mom and I like what are you doing? Uh, I'll do I'm just going to bed dad going to bed. Okay No, but I was always on the radio Then my sister was five years older and she you know by then was 45s were coming out and listening to all the Disjockeys on you know which records climbing which one's going down And I remember when stereo came out That was a big deal Disney did a thing on television And what they had that they did and I love that show and Walt Disney hosted it. You guys are too young But you know a wonderful world of color Yeah, that's right. That's it was available. Yeah, so they said, you know, hey next time Get your radio that you have which everybody did we had this kind of Only just motorola thing, but you know mono get that and put that X feet away from your television set and you'll experience stereo and that's the first time they've ever heard, you know It's classic. Here comes the train And then my dad knew somebody they had lucky player then I was in junior high school and uh Our teacher mr. Jones had an amp x 601 tape recorder And that's a serious tape recorder with a shiny silver microphone and he kept us in line Doing old radio shows Which I love doing it. This is so much fun. So all of a sudden I wanted a tape recorder You know graduating from junior high to go to high school Hey, they were like 75 dollars. It was not 75 dollars for recording machines, but I didn't get a little cox gay Recording one of the worst Recording devices ever I didn't read the johnny cash had one too. So I felt better You know crappy little microphone But I loved that tape recorder and then I started recording other people more than myself I didn't even look at performing that way and then all the high school plays and all of that stuff and then There was paper tape and wire. I have a wire recorder here that actually works It's a 40s Yeah, and I think thing weighs a ton too. Oh god. Yeah, you know how you you know how you You forget if you've got a gotta make a splice you tie a knot in the wire It kind of glops past the head and then all of a sudden, you know, we've got records we've got all this stuff and then cds and Of course the cassette thing because our demos were all on five inch reels Of tape and a little white box Most of you who are younger, there's a thing that goes around and around and around And so that's how you did your demo and everybody wrote their name on the end I got into the business because I wanted to be different. I wanted to get recognized I had a little a label printed out You know in like fluorescent orange. It wasn't fancy, but you know postal instant press was on michigan avenue So I had him print this out and it's an arland hogan demo Volume one And I had a number of people say why did you do that? What do you mean? No, no, we all write our name on the end, you know with a felt pen and then oh, that's how it's done Well, I'll tell you what before long I'll have my demos out in four color Then they laughed at me And they didn't laugh for long because I did it and Promote promote promote. I'm a big fan of Looking at Barnum Barnum in particular, man, Barnum has a was a wonderful line I don't think they kind of follow how interesting pt Barnum was and how Even though we think of him as a humbug and all of that but people then enjoyed it They they knew it wasn't a mermaid. They knew it wasn't whatever it was. He was showing it his dime thing But he always had this great quote. I've always remembered it Without promotion something terrible happens Nothing nothing That's how I live my life, man. You got to keep promoting. Yeah, yeah Got one more question here from linda joce minors is harlin Can I use another one too? It's just not in there yet. Oh, okay. Yeah Can I use your mic? I'm the vo1a For voiceover and for my studies in opera, which I use to improve my voice studies in voiceover Can you use the this for singing opera Sure, absolutely Just get back a little bit If you're really hitting those notes, uh, but I wouldn't put it on a bass drum. I can put on a piano. But yeah, I think in fact, uh Remember her name right now. Which is a very good operatic singer in washington dc that I know does use it And she does voiceover. It's got a wonderful demo who she's talking to her husband. It's a little dialogue, which is Nice, it's hard to get good dialogue. They're going to the opera and her husband doesn't want to go Yeah, yeah, well, let's skip this one right in the middle of it. She said, oh, yeah, and she just burst into this beautiful opera I mean really a wonderful singer pause Okay, we'll go Sometimes you can take that other skill and throw it in there and I'd slip and demo for them Yeah, I think it's important to realize like if it's a good condenser mic for a voice It's going to be a good condenser mic for a voice Whether it's speaking or singing because you know, it's an instrument if you have dynamic range It's capturing the full Audible range of your human voice no matter what so yeah, that's absolutely True. Here's one from a name that you might recognize This is from James R. Alburger and he says I'd love to hear your story about the session when the director said your read was a bit burgundy And he'd like it to be a bit more rosé Yeah I mean the descriptions I kind of you know, I'm selective on stuff. So if I get a script Even before I look at the script if there's two pages of direction I don't want to do this. This is going to be blooper. So if they have to take two pages to describe We want someone young but also old my favorite in the last couple years was we want a morgan freeman type But young and no ethnicity Who are these people They have an idea in their mind what they want to hear But they forget they're talking to other humans I just I wouldn't argue with you But what I see is they don't know what it is they want they tell you what it is That they don't want right and then of course, you know, oh, yeah, I'll have to sound like uh, so-and-so I had a driver or whatever star is working this week I'm old enough that I don't know most of those people anyway. So I don't bother I mean, have you ever have you ever seen somebody You ever seen your own name on the direction Saying yes Yes, yes, you know, absolutely. Absolutely. And did you get the gig? Yeah That doesn't always happen before leslie became my wife 34 years ago The 34 uh 100 isn't bad. Um, but She would get a call sometimes she would laugh about me. Hey, hey, hi, leslie. I want we want a harlan hogan type and she would say well We represent harlan hogan. Yeah, I know that but you know, he's on too many things. I just want someone like him She's always so hard for her not to laugh like well I'm his wife, but don't tell anybody But there's that If you can get a client to actually not call you a announcer anymore and you've got your name on it I had fast food fish place called Skipper buns something like that skipper buds and We're done actually with isd in at that point Organization in st. Louis. I'm on the motorcycle. I'm an alarm these cows riding around And I see one of the captain deese. That was it. I did we don't have much progress So I stopped and was sweating like a pig, of course But they took a photo of the captain deese and then just sent it To the recording recording studio and I said so even on vacation mr. Hogan thinks about nothing but captain deese They thought it was hysterical. So they sent the photo over to the captain deese people From that day on all the strips said harlan they now knew my name Wow Yeah, rather than an announcer Harlan yeah, well a pretty much a couple of years doing that gig and because you know, we they can't get rid of harlan Anything gotta do Well harlan your name is well known out there and we really really appreciate you coming on tonight and telling us your stories and And making the stuff that you make so keep doing that I will Alrighty, thanks for being here. Thanks for being with us tonight. All right. 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I'm dan Leonard and i'm george widdon and this is voiceover body shop or vo b s See you next time kids All righty Time to stand up. Okay I'm still sitting down in my changing the energy Energy Yeah So we got lots of cool stuff to talk about This is tech talk number 111 This last week was 110. You know, we had over 10 000 views last week. Holy smokes. Yeah Wasn't that flicks offline? I guess so You know, it's all repeats and shows that you have to read. Yeah, I still haven't made it through suits yet For god's sake that thing goes on forever. Oh, they all do Started watching succession. I'm like, no, I don't think so. This is these are not nice people I don't want to watch a show about not nice people. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah Alrighty, uh, okay, so if you've got a question for a story in the chat room If it has to do with your home studio or technology, we'd love to hear from you So get those questions in there now and I know that Jeff will get those get to those Alrighty, we're ready to comment Jeff when I see your comment. I'm gonna pin that thing I promise. Okay. Are we are we ready Sue? Okay. She's giving us her hand and now okay and five four three Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop Tech talk tech talk Tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk All right. Yeah Lots of tech talk Uh, again, if you have a question if you're watching us live and you're smart to watch the slide because then you can Ask your question And we will answer that question anything to do with your home voiceover studio Throw it in the chat room and Jeff aside from saying tech talk will also write down that question and give it to us So we can answer it in the way that George and I always do which is the correct way Anyway, it's time for voice over body shop tech talk right now Voice over body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of harlan hogan's signature products Source elements the folks who bring you source connect the o heroes dot com Become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training voice actor.com your voice over website ready in minutes voice over extra your daily resource for voice over success And by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Well, hello there just to make things straight. I'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voice over body shop or vo b s tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech All right, it's tech talk number 111 We've been doing this a long time Therefore we know everything Well, at least we think we do you know everything up until this moment. Yes, but we haven't forgotten anything We have no we did listen. I've probably forgotten more than some people actually know but That's the great thing about having done this for so many years You know when we started we knew what we were doing And then we learned more because now we're the experts because we were already the experts and now we know More stuff than you could ever know About your home voice over studio and we have forgotten more stuff than you could ever know Yeah, so it's like somebody gives us something like why does it sound like this? What could it be? What could it be and you go through this list of things and it's like Oh, that's what it is Try that. Oh, yeah, that fixed it It makes you feel good when that happens It does, you know because people think that you're brilliant It's like, well, we've only seen this 20 times before we just have to remember That's what it was. You know, turn your mic around Not brilliant, it's experience Exactly experience experience pays And if you want to have a great home voice over studio One, I would suggest Don't ask in social media. What's the best way to do this or the best way to do that What mic should I buy all this stuff? Instead work with people that have The experience as I was just saying Uh, we've been doing this for a combined well over 30 years in this really specific niche area of voice over which is home voice over studios and what is a home voice over studio It's whatever you want it to be and more importantly what you needed to be which sometimes isn't exactly what you want it to be Because it doesn't have to be aesthetically pleasing Unless you're building a really nice place in george. You're a contractor and you you you sort of build these these really beautiful studios for people who can afford really Definitely not a contractor. Okay. You're not. I'm sorry. We are in california. You you help other people with that Yeah, I helped design these things, but uh, yeah contracting. Oh boy. That's a Um, no, I mean, yeah, it doesn't have to look like a studio You you might want what's in frame on your webcam to look acceptable like right now Just off frame this place is an absolute disaster, but you would never know that Um, but the key thing is like it has to sound good. So that's what we do That's what we're into and I can help you that with that over at george the dot tech um, that's my place on the web for support and we call ourselves performer friendly texts because We're here to help performers of all kinds with their technology voice actors podcasters streamers home musicians who have to kind of Sort of work their way through a mess of wiring and other things to get what they need recorded and what they need to hear in their headphones We can help you with all that stuff at george the dot tech and dan What you doing over there on your your website? We're over at home voiceover studio dot com that place All sorts of stuff, uh, I talk about what you really need for voiceover And I do consults with people, you know, whether you've got equipment or not I can get you up and running pretty quickly And you'll realize that doing voiceover from your home is not rocket science. It's there are techniques You have to know I teach those techniques I will work with you privately to make sure that you get that done Properly and when I say it's good it is good Or it sounds what it's supposed to sound like with soul So and there's a way and we know what that way is And we know how to achieve that So if you want to work with me go on one over to home voiceover studio dot com where I also have my specimen collection cup and for 25 dollars, I will analyze your audio and Tell you what you need to make it Right and it's not a matter of enhancing it. It's usually a matter of Proper recording techniques, which I will be happy to explain to you Anyway, it's time for George's tech update. Whatever it is that he's been Browsing the internet with this week and go ahead and tell us what you got All right, let's do it. So, um Last week I got to do a field trip And it was a lot of fun. Um, I was invited in. Um, well, I kind of invited myself I was uh, welcome to to come up and visit the folks at vocal booth calm Um, you know, admittedly, they're a brand that you probably haven't heard us mention all that often on the show There's a few others that have kind of gotten a lot of the spotlight the last so many years and you know good marketers The new kid on the block, etc. Right but vocal booth calm has been there a long time In fact 26 years in business and continuous operation creating voiceover booths and um, it was a really great experience because the reason I was there and by the way They're up in bend, oregon, and if you like outdoors, holy smoke Bend, oregon is incredible. It's a much great outdoor activity there mountain climbing skiing mountain biking fishing, etc but the whole point of why I went there was Vocal booth has been around a long time again. They they have a consistent track record of of how the booths are built equality And they're they have, you know, something I forgot that they do which is they build the cost of shipping into the prices So when you're shopping on their website, everything is priced Well as shipped right however, they've had this one to me a shortcoming and that has been the acoustics and um You know because I think they just they build a booth that solves the problem for many people But they hadn't inspected it closely for acoustics for voiceover actors And you know, I just I dealt with so many products over the years And I thought, you know, I wonder if they have an interest in improving The the acoustical sound of their booth, you know, we know they have good isolation I know they have amazing ventilation But the acoustics was something that I just was never really that super sold on So guess what we did a little collab. I went up there and I did some design work with their They're basically the production manager who is in charge of making everything there I mean he comes up with the actual fabrication process for materials And gets all that stuff together and he came up with some paneling based on my ideas for materials and Size and all that stuff we tested them out and we came out with some excellent new Products by the time this one airs you guys might some of you are watching this live But by the time this comes out in a week Those products might already be available to purchase if not on the website you can email them and find out But I did some tests and I thought maybe I could take a few a minute here or so And I'll play back some samples. I recorded in the booth with a tlm 103 I had Freddy who helps run the company over there. I said, hey, do you happen to have a tlm 103? This is the torture test microphone for a booth and he said, yeah, I actually do have one So he had brought his mic in and we tested a few others and I tried it I tried his 4x4 Vocal booth, which is probably one of the most common sizes in terms of people buying a studio for home And I tested it with the tlm 103 Totally bone stock exactly as the booth comes And this is what that sounded like and it's not terrible, but let's see if we can hear the difference. Here's the stock format All right, this is our control so now we're in the vocal booth 4x4 in stock form. This is just the two inch panel in the ceiling two inch foam on the walls tlm 103 Let's be a little bit more True to life and bring the mic in a little bit closer in my recommended placement what should be Fist to thumb distance off to my right and let's get into it one two A little bit of bass resonance in there There's the resonant ring Hear it ring now it really is ringing. I got that ring Yeah Yes, that's what I do. I think dan does this we go into booths. We make sounds And we listen right one two one two one so one two Yeah, so you hear that and you can clearly hear the booth's resonances It has a ring to it. Etc. Etc. So then we set up the new materials that we are working on and This is what it sounded like All right, here's my favorite torture test mic tlm 103 What a reason I have it upside down right now It doesn't really need to be but it is and it's in the corner in the same placement as before but this time now we're using our foam material panels not the rock wool And uh, I'm standing center of the booth mic is Well, almost a foot away from me right now. So This is what I'm sounding like a foot away This is what I'm sounding like as I move in towards the microphone Starting to get into a sweeter spot starting to get in the proximity effect zone There we are and deep into the proximity effect zone one two three four five one two three four five five four three Five four three two one there. That's as deep as my voice is gonna get There you go. So quite the difference there quite the difference, right? I mean the thing that amazed me the most I think was that it does it sounded better with the with the treatment added in A foot a full foot away from the mic And it sounded when you were close to the mic without the treatment Which was a really cool test because I have been telling folks for years If you want to get your little booth sounding better get closer to the mic and yeah, that is a quick fix But there's no substitute for good treatment and Wow, what a difference it made and I was really it was just a really great opportunity to experiment to have access to materials the booths Space time etc and do tests like this. I did recordings like this with an nt1 Because we had one of those on hand and I brought along a shotgun mic the road ntg5 did similar tests with that mic So it would give us a few mics to compare Again the t-limb 103. I always call that the torture test that mic picks up every damn thing Um, and it was really good. I did a uh, I did an interview on on my other show the pro audio suite with freddy The two of us standing side by side in the four by six booth Just sharing a single tlm 103. So we didn't want to get too friendly So the mic was you know, it was a solid foot to maybe even foot and a half away from us So it was not that close and um, you know, when that comes out, you guys I think it'll be out on next week. You'll get to hear what that sounded like again Surprisingly good. So I'm just saying I'm really glad that they were willing to collaborate with me Once these products come out, you'll see them start appearing on the website You'll be able to there'll be an instant Upgrade that you can easily install in the platinum or gold series in the silver series It'll take a little bit more installation effort, but they're gonna come up with systems for that as well But again on the gold and the platyms It'll be an instant just put it wherever you need it at any height that you need To get the sound That you want. So anyway, that was a cool a really cool experience and a nice Group of guys over there. So the podcast will have out soon I've also did an interview of the owner of the company and I did an interview Actually, I did a factory tour where I walked all through the factory showing all the different Processes that go into building one of their booths that stuff will all be up on george the tech youtube one of these days Um, so kudos to vocal booths for Reaching out and I mean being willing to bring in some from the outside Yeah, they haven't a lot of companies don't regularly consult with us. They don't read something They need to know we're here and that we know what voice actors do and then how that's done. So yeah I mean, I have to say their customer service excellent They really listen to people's needs and they do a lot of custom stuff far more than you would think They can custom shape and size their booths Almost unlimited. So if you need it really short Probably the only game in town. Let's say you need a booth that's fitting a six and a half foot ceiling basement They can do it. They can actually cut their booths down even the doors. They make their doors in house They actually 100 from the slab they cut all they they have the milling machine to cut the doors. It's really cool You'll see the video when it comes out Moving on a little just a little PSA when you get a USB mic or an interface Consider where you plug it in to your system Now some folks are going to have a hub many people have hubs because Computers these days macbooks especially have only two or three ports, right? So they really have shrunk down on the report. So we all have hubs, but I'm going to tell you It's probably the best bet To try to make sure your mic or your usb interface is plugged directly into the computer Not into a hub. I just had a client. She got a brand new road nt1 fifth gen and she sent me recordings and I was hearing like this weird high-pitched Sort of a whistling hissing sound. It was weird. It was a weird noise And I said, can you I think something's not going on. Can you make sure that's plugged directly into the computer? When she did that the noise floor changed dramatically all the weird interference hissing whining that was there Again, it was subtle I cut it processed it out But you know that was my job to evaluate the audio and I heard it and when she took that Directly into the computer all the mic was hearing at that point was just the room tone You know, whatever the sound of her room was and it made a difference So that's just a tricky one. Really make sure your mics are Your interfaces whenever possible are really going directly Into the computer. You're going to get the best possible The probably the least amount of noise as a result. Now, is that always going to be true for every scenario? No, not necessarily So, you know, try and test and if you need a sound check you can hook me up or you can talk to dan and get a Specimen connect collection cup and we'll take a listen But there you go. Last thing and there's a little bit of show-and-tell Guess who made a new sure sm7b It must be the folks that sure since yeah, make it They sure did And guess what it's called the sm7 db Cute, right Now, why do you think it's called that? well It's got a built-in preamp so Sure was words, uh, I think extremely late to the game on this But they decided to finally add a internal preamp or booster. Let's call what it is a cloud lifter Since roger cloud invented the whole cloud lifter design idea They decided to finally integrate one inside an sm7b This is not the mic we recommend for voice server. We've said it 10 000 times But I thought when a mic this venerable This well known this iconic Uh in broadcast has it an upgrade or it? I don't know if it's an upgrade, but it has a change made to it. I thought it was worth mentioning So yeah now you can get the sm7 db, which has a two stage built-in Booster or preamp. They're calling it which gives you 18 decibels or 28 decibels Or none. So it has a bypass. So it's basically three different stages of gain Um build into the mic as well as the original The little presence bump switch and the low cut switch that they have always had On that microphone. So there you go. Now, there's a a more expensive mic not good for voice over available Since a lot of you folks also do podcasts and that's a mic that's very popular For podcasts. I just thought it would be fun to mention it. Yeah But you know, it is yeah, the generally dynamic mics have very low outputs. So, uh, generally they do And you know, this so they built a preamp into this You still have to get up to that mic to make it work the way it's supposed to, you know When it's a broadcast mic, you know, when the signal goes into a transmitter It is compressed and amplified and all that stuff. So you don't need those things with broadcast, but Of course, things aren't really broadcast anymore. Everything's streamed So podcasted or streamed, right? Yeah. So your levels have to be pretty good or people are going to have to crank up their Their radios or what they're there or their computers or whatever they're listening on So you need to be heard very very clearly And I just think it's funny it came out with that boost thing because the last two years all the companies that make interfaces Or you know that are trying to take a chunk out of that market Are adding gain like crazy the roadcaster pro added a ton more gain The the focus right scarlet now has more gain. Everybody has added more and more gain Mostly because of this one freaking mic and then they come out and build in the gain booster Like making all that like kind of uh, you know redone it. So anyway, it just was funny that they Decided to do that the only review on their website says why did you add that gigantic word sure on the side of the mic? Because now it doesn't look like the original Sure sm7 it looks like a new sm7 and people I think are pretty picky about how this microphone looks So that was funny. Anyway, that's it for me. Dan. You're gonna talk about drop-in editing Yeah, I mean who cares what a microphone looks like. Yes, we're gonna talk about here This is something I've been wanting you to do and that is teach a skill Uh, if you're new to voiceover and you need to know how to edit better This is one of the basic things you have to know how to do and it's called a drop-in edit uh, sometimes some people will say it's uh, uh What do they call that when with uh, with punch punch a punch punch. Yeah You know taking this memory stuff. It's working a little bit better I can pull those words in when I need them Or I just know as a punch in or a quick or punch and roll what it really is a punch in or a quick punch Right, this is not this is after you have recorded something and say the client comes back to you and says you didn't pronounce that word Right, or we added something and you've got to do Something and put it Right in the middle of where you're recording and how do you do that? Well, I'm going to show you on twisted wave how simple this actually is Uh, I gotta share my screen here Let's see a share screen. It's right there present share screen share my window and share There it is twisted wave those of you who use twisted wave I'm sure you recognize it. Okay. I'm going to read just a little bit of copy here And then I'm going to show you how to do Uh, a drop-in edit the key to this If you know if you're use if you have to add a word or subtract a word or something you want to add a little piece of the sentence Do the edit on a hard consonant But just just a quick example of how we do this now. Here's some copy. I wouldn't even call this copy This is instructional, but we'll we'll see how it goes. Okay Okay Installation procedure before all make sure you bet your radio is accordingly restored and not connected to the mains The main switch of your right radio should be cleaned and not produce excessive arcing Good advice all the way around Okay. Now, let's see if we can hear this back Installation procedure before all make sure you bet you All right, so you can hear it which is a definite improvement um Of course if it's a little low you normalize it But the client comes back and says oh, we have to add something in there for for legal purposes Uh, this is when not connected to the mains in parentheses plug must be removed Well, how do you put that in there in twisted wave? It's super duper simple You just line up where that's supposed to be It's connected to the mains. Okay So I want to put it here And all you have to do is just hit record and go Plug must be removed All right, and then you can just sort of clean that up around that Like so and now it says am I correct in saying that that is not possible to do an adobe audition It is not possible to do because it will erase what you're doing in twisted wave You can do this and then not connected to the mains Plug must be removed The main switch of your rate and then and then your client is happy, but there's another way to do this And I will now show you how to do that and that is Just go to the end of the file And hit record so you're not erasing something if you're in audition or something like that and go Plug must be removed and stop and Playback plug must be removed. Okay, just highlight that command see copy and then undo The thing and then all you have to do is Drop it in there paste paste It's there and now Is accordingly restored and not connected to the mains Plug must be removed the main switch of your right radio should be and that's a drop in at it pretty simple I I find that what I I've been doing a lot, especially when I use adobe audition Is I will I can just record over what it is I've recorded Copy the piece that I want to put in there and then undo the recording because as long as you save the the What you've redone and copied it you can paste it in anywhere So does that work better or differently than I'm doing command x or cut And paste or is it the same basic? It's just it's just copy and paste You know and then Undo what you recorded Because it will save the file that you recorded as the proper Thing that you're you're inserting Also say say I wanted to change something along the lines of how I said this So say I just want to redo the the beginning piece here You know you hit record and Before all make sure your radio is accordingly restored and not connected to the mains I mean pretty simple you could do that, but say I just wanted to take this last piece Stored and not connected to the mains or from Is accordingly restored and not okay? So where does it go over here and procedure before all make sure you let your radio is accordingly restored Okay, so stored and not where is the word Radio is accordingly. Oh, here we go Make sure you let your radio is accordingly restored The answer There's the C right there and find where it says that over here is accordingly Restored And hopefully this works And now it should say now what I did is I edited on a continent So only restored Before all make sure your radio is only restored and not it's hard to do because there's a slight delay here You know, I think it's because of the bluetooth. We are using that as your Yeah, as a workaround tonight to get that play back on our show and You get a little bit of a delay on Let me see if I can get this just right. Yeah, is accordingly restored. That's why is Accordingly now, let's try it Before all make sure your radio is accordingly restored and Almost got it. Well, you can trim it now. I know a little tiny trimmer tool there Stored and not connected to Only restored and not is accordingly restored Accordingly restored this piece there and now Is accordingly stored and ah darn it is so hard to do with the delay. Yeah, I'm sorry. I realize now I realize that the bluetooth Here's a little sidebar ps safe kids Don't use a bluetooth playback connection for editing before all make sure your radio is Accordingly not boy. That is really tough to do with the delay. Yeah Yeah, okay. But anyway, you see how to do that. Yeah, exactly. So I mean you can go back or do it the original way you should Plug bus be removed Plug bus be removed the main switch of your okay So I rerecorded that and then just edit it together Well, that wasn't it didn't go quite as smoothly as I would have liked But if you edit on a consonant, you can do it in the middle of a word and no one will ever know Yeah, that's a clever one Yeah So Stop there you go. That's how you do that Anyway, it's time to take a break and we'll be back with your questions Which you should have submitted by now to jeff holman right after these important messages. Don't go away This is ariana rattner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george widham v obs dot tv Have you noticed the specific demands of clients regarding our home vio studios? Are they at a professional level to record for broadcast? And what does that mean? To me, it means it doesn't sound bad I've seen several now demanding cardioid condenser microphones Some are great and cheap ones not so great. So how do you choose? It's like standing in the checkout line at the supermarket deciding which candy or mince you want to buy So which is right for you? 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I hope you love it Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. It's great And we are back. Thanks bill farmer. Yeah Trying to get bill back on the show. It's a funny story here I wanted to get him back in a show when we were in atlanta And I ran into him and his wife At at in the restaurant there and I said You know, I lost your business card. I I want to get you back on and you know, of course He pulls out her her card and she's a florist I believe and Got the card Monday column looked all over the place. Where was his card? Finally cleaning out my drawer. I'm like, oh There it is. It was Actually, I think it was actually in a jacket pocket or something like that And uh, so hopefully we'll get bill back on the show. All right, which would be good He needs to she needs to answer my email though. Well, I will find is we could also find his agent That that's true technology That's good to know. All right. Well, we got a couple of questions here that are of course excellent and Starting with zackery chalmers. He says is ventura ready for prime time yet? Yes Yeah, because uh, it's what comes on it gets what started coming out a year ago If it's been out a year It's it's it's ready for prime time because there's been a full year now of software support updates Bug fixes, etc. Etc. Etc. I'm still running monoray on this machine here But on my laptop, I am running ventura. That's what it came with. Didn't have any choice And uh, it caused me absolutely no grief now for quite a few months So yes now the next one Is sonoma? That's the one you're not ready to just jump in to start using quite yet If you're really, uh, loving to try new things if you like to live dangerously Go ahead and install it. I don't know if it's currently shipping Or shipping soon, but uh, sonoma is the next mac os um Part two from zack and I can demonstrate this Is there a good noise reduction similar to the built-in noise reduction that's available in adobe audition? That is good in a twisted wave. Well Didn't they add one? Hmm. Didn't they add one of their own? There is there is allow me to allow me to show you the where it is That's how much to a ducati. That's right now lucid. We don't have don't don't have don't have to worry about the delay here Because it's just a quick demonstration of how this all works And okay, so here's a file in twisted wave Uh, aside from someone using a limiter on it You want me to take a pay cut? Okay So say someone has A little bit of background noise. How do you get rid of it? in You go to effects And it says learn noise profile So we don't see the shared menus. Unfortunately. Oh, okay. It's just one of those weird things about sharing window Yeah, but you do get noise profile, which is pretty much exactly the same as audacity Right and so you highlight a little bit of the audio And even though you can't see me doing it, I go to learn noise profile and now you cover the whole thing and You go back to effects and de noise And don't go hell hog wild on it, you know, maybe use a low setting Yeah, like I I've been using 25 percent and hit them lie and it cleans As you can see It's pretty clean between between there. So it got rid of A low a low tone that was in there. Let's see how it sounds if you can oh sure You want me to take a pay cut? I'm a valuable member of this team. You know, it's so It there's no background noise at all. So yeah, like so all these tools use them lightly You know, yeah, not too much. Yeah, that'll do you yeah, and that's the thing I think people tend to over process and that's what destroys audio Yeah, so use things subtly But that I I've used that That noise reduction twisted wave a couple of times it works pretty well Especially so much yet. Yeah. Well, you know, somebody sends me something. It says I use twisted wave Which is why I ask when you submit something in my specimen collection cup What computer are you using what software because I want to be able to solve the problem Using that particular software and more provide more you provide us when you get those sound checks and things The better we can give you, you know, we can give you better advice and absolutely we don't want to guess You know, it's we ask lots of questions and that's the key. I learned that from selling life insurance ask lots of questions It's called a fact finder and with your home studio stuff Ask lots of questions. It's a fact finder for me It takes us right to where we need to be to find the answer to your problem Next question all yours All right, this one's from Justin Ramos in the youtube world. Thanks for the a t 8 75 r recommendation That's this microphone right here Um, this microphone right Yeah, we all have seen around because they're so affordable and work so well that they're just hard to beat for the price Um, but he wants to know he's doing an interview for an interview for family history So he needs a second microphone for the guest What about the pseudotac 800 or the at 2020 sounds like he has a hundred dollar price limit on the second mic Yeah, listen here or maybe one omni mic So, okay, you can go with one more omni mic to record multiple people It just sounds a lot more roomy so It's gonna sound like you're sitting in an echoey living room and however echoey the living room is the omni mic Will make it sound even probably more echoey So it can work, but yeah, everybody's gotta be everybody's gotta be pretty cozy They need to really kind of come in close and sit very close to that microphone Um, so it's not a bad idea Now because the thing is if you have two microphones now you have two microphones to sort out So if your people or if your subjects are really close to each other Two condenser mics is more challenging actually when they're really close to each other You're really better off with one And sharing it because two mics means twice as much noise twice as much Yeah, double dance gesturing Literally handheld mic-ing which if you have good technique is a really good idea But now you now you've if you have two mics you have twice as many mics to pick up noise room reverb cross talk Which is one microphone that's on this subject Hearing the person way over here as their voice bleeds over right? There's a lot of tricky things to getting a couple of mics to work Well, that is why those low output dynamic mics that are meant to be used kind of like this Are so popular for podcasts because you're now eating the microphone and the microphones don't hear as much cross talk and and bleed right So what would you get for a second mic? I mean maybe a 2020 but again, that's a large that's a Wide diaphragm a wide what's the large a large diaphragm condenser? Yeah, and it's a wide pickup pattern right so if you were to use that mic Maybe try that mic alone And have you and your family member sitting on not the front and the back That won't work because the back is a cancels out But maybe on each side of the microphone like a 45 degree angle from the microphone And that could work really really well so or yeah Find a mic that has an omnia figure eight pattern And you can figure eight put put a put a microphone right between you and your subject And both of you can talk and the mic will pick it up both ways I hate to say this but the yeti will do that but there are other microphones that haven't The yeti will do that. Yeah, and I think a lot of people bought it to do family histories and stuff Having been a former social studies teacher That is a great project do a family an oral history So you get those stories that grandpa used to tell and stuff like that so Good for you. No, this is this is one of those cases where the yeti That has the multi pattern would be a pretty nice choice as an alternative Um because easy you can set it on the table between you guys Just still keep in mind you want to be Don't get too far away. It's going to sound real reverberant um Other part two question to this is that he wants a comparison. Good thing harland's not listening He doesn't like this as much, but that's okay. That's the way You know, we were comparing products and that's what we do What's the main difference between the tri booth and harland's portabouth? price acoustics size I appreciate the audio samples on both respective websites. Well, I mean that means he's been doing his research So, let me show you real quick. Um, I'll just do a screen share I've got both booth product pages upside by side. We won't labor the subject But you'll at least see immediately what the differences are And that's the wrong screen Take two share screen we'll do Entire screen screen two there we go There we go. So on the left hand side is the portabouth pro, which is harland's Premier product for portable voice over recording. It's a roughly 400 unit It folds up into a bag that is carryable like this that you can carry all sorts of stuff in Yeah, you can stuff things in there On the right hand side is the tri booth, which is a totally different animal because Well, as you can see, it's big enough for us to stand By it. It's it's much larger It fits into a duffle It includes all of the framework pipe And blankets to create an intent completely enclosing you down to your Shins, I guess So, yeah, it's a very different concept around creating a portable booth. So Depending on which one you use now, I happen to know people I do have both Andrew Peters, for example from my podcast proteasweet He actually does have both and he will use one or the other now. He likes to take vespa trips He will actually take his portabouth pro a vespa trip Yeah, he takes a little longer, but you know, he loves vespa travel And he will do vespa trips and travel long distances and actually bring The portabouth pro on the vespa mac. He we should get a picture of that to send to harland harland being a motorcyclist He would love that right You would not probably want to not that you couldn't but you probably want to want would not want to try to bring The tri booth, which is almost 50 pounds in the bag on the back of a vespa That would be rather uncomfortable or awkward So if you want something that's a little more substantial that has You know ergonomically you stand up. It feels like a booth that you would have at home Has a copy holder has a light has a lot of other little accessories Then that's where the tri booth comes into play price wise, you know the pry booth the tri booths about four times more Uh, a little less than four times more expensive. So they're in totally different pricing class. So there you go. That's That's the difference. Of course, I know them extremely well I've set them up by help design the tri booth. So, you know They're just horses for courses guys different animals Well, yeah different animals for different situations if you have the room to set up a tri booth That's a good place to do it. If you you've only got a desk in a hotel room You know a portabouth pro will work very well for that and there's There's techniques for using both and that's part of experience You have to learn how to use tools having tools means nothing unless you know how to use them properly, right? I think the uh, tri booth is a little bit more idiot proof Um, because it is it does because it does completely surround you It does a better job of controlling the space all the way around you Um, whereas the the portabouth pro is a little bit less. It doesn't have as much coverage, right? Right. Um, so that's a big difference So anyway, thanks for asking and I hope that helps you make a decision. Yeah Um, okay. So jeff holman asks. I assume we should wait to upgrade to the new mac os What about the new ios for iphone note? I don't use ios for voiceover though I do use my iphone to record my self tape auditions. Oh, yeah Well, there's a new ios that just came out when the ios comes out I trust apple. I must be a moron, but it's I I do because You know, I wake up and it's like, you know update. I'm like, okay I thought of it somewhere to go. I I like the whole once bitten Twice shy thing. I think five seven years ago. They were they have a few bad Bad launches. Yeah, um, but from what I've heard from the from the geek community is that they have gotten much better At vetting their updates before launch So, yeah, I mean on my phone. There it is upgrade to ios 17 I just updated my phone to 16.7. I opted to do the update to the last ios 16 before jumping to ios 17 And it's mainly because it's ios 17.0 So, you know, there may be a point seven Point seven there might be a point one For sure. There's gonna be a point one and a point two. So I I I like to be a little patient I try to be the good thing is that they don't shove the upgrade down your throat as much They might tell you it's there, but they don't Forced it on you. In fact, I have my phone set up to not do that I have I told I said, please don't I don't want to see betas And I don't want automatic updates. I I like to have I'm a little bit more of a control freak. So I think it'd be fine, but Take it with a grain of salt and then if your phone's important to you Just be a little bit more wary. I think And then about the new ios Yeah That's what we were saying earlier Wait to upgrade to the new mac os the new one being sonoma, which Again, I haven't even seen it. Yeah. Is it is that is that as they say shipping? You go to apple.com. Do you see not seen any promotion for it or anything? So it might still be in beta Yeah, yeah, so it's it is the next one and the next one is too new It's still I still feel like it's too new. So I'm I'm gonna wait on oh yeah on that some friends of mine Dan, you're pretty brave to upgrade. Um, tim freelander. He likes to try things out when they come out Um, check out the mac and ios for vo Facebook group that I made a while ago. That's a place where we share things in a safe space of that apple products Yeah, some people get very give a very visceral reaction when you say apple, but that's some people do they frissel Anyway, thanks. Thanks. Thanks for asking. Yeah, rob writer says, you know, adobe audition has insert recording So it won't cover the original recording. That is true But copy and paste works just as well and just as fast. I mean, I've gotten so fast at just being able to copy something You know, it's there on the it's there on the the copy board and then Just pasting it where you want to paste it and You know, and I can go through this stuff I do some stuff where there are some very difficult pronunciations and the client is always coming back saying, you know, you have to use more phlegm Uh, when you say that Is that where a windscreen is a good idea? No, not really Uh, just trying to say things a little bit, you know a little bit more ethnically Uh, good question here. Greg cooper on youtube. Could you clarify what you mean by editing on a consonant? A hard consonant I think I said what that means is you can literally edit in the middle of a word if you have a hard consonant in there a t a b a p even a d But soft consonants like s and v and W things, you know those consonants that sort of draw out a word But a hard consonant Is a heart is a hard in you can see it on the waveform that it it's very sudden So like what I was trying to do in the uh, the demonstration earlier Is I was trying to cut between the a and the c in accordingly because You can do that and make it absolutely seamless. No one would ever know you did that And so that's another copy and pasting So you might want to record a phrase To lead into where that where the pickup is but just edit from the hard consonant in and You know, I've been doing that for years and they're none the wiser that I've done that I love it Yeah I wanted to do a little uh, um I wanted to check check, um, what rob said because I know he's into the tech stuff like us And I think they may have added this mode of recording under a w audition Maybe recently. Maybe I don't know when But if you right click on the record button itself You got instant record punch and roll and timed record modes, but then below that There's overwrite and then there's insert mode When I choose insert mode Let's see one two one two Now that seems to more imitate what twisted wave does Yeah, so there actually looks like they did add that into audition now Yeah, the the great thing about editing on a consonant and using that kind of stuff Is your voice might be different And if you just use part of a word To fix something if you didn't say something, right? Mm-hmm You're not going to notice any voice flaws like say I've had a cold for two weeks. I wish it would go away But it you can and you can hear it in my voice. So something I recorded two months ago is not going to sound the same so You know, that's why a tight edit like that can save you if you have to do a pickup and your voice is very very Or the time of day you recorded it Because boy my voice sounds a lot different in the morning than it does late in the afternoon Although it seems to sound like this all the time right now because I can't seem to kick this thing out of my my sinuses Anyway, this is now patricia andre has a great question here because this has been coming up Oh, by the way Yeah, when I go to software update kids with the new version of macOS available today is Sonoma, yeah, so if I clicked up Kids list can I can I let's talk for a second If it says upgrade That is not the same as update This is not when it says upgrade now That is not an invitation to upgrade. That is the mac os saying there's something new to try click more info Right below that And then you'll see other updates available And you'll see that there's new updates available for the os you already have for example I can click on their updates available more updates and see mac os meant monterey 12.7 Is available right so I can still upgrade update I can still update the version. I already have so it sounds like she upgraded to sonoma Alrighty and now she can't record twisted wave. So what should she do? I don't know Um, honest. Well, okay. That's not a right answer. The right answer is to uh, there's two pain. There's the Okay, I'm sure the thomas from sourcell Tom twisted wave twisted wave. Yeah as has been testing sonoma, right? That's his job, right? He probably does have a fix or an update or a patch For twisted wave on sonoma. So email support at twisted wave.com Let them know Check the website There's probably a patch or a fix that will make it work very very very likely If there is not and you really are are in trouble You need to have backed up your computer before upgrading which you use time machine and backup your computer, right? Mm-hmm You need to restore the previous backup of your system and go back to Um, venture Those are your options right now. Yep. All right. I'm gonna wrap this up. Yeah So anyway, thanks for all your questions and we'll be right we'll be right back to wrap this up after these Very important messages. 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