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Don't do cardio until you figure out your calorie balance. Oh, okay. I was like, what happened here? Yeah, let's think about that for a second. This is, I brought this up on the show. You mean like your maintenance caloric? That's right. Like, so it's the last thing that I want to introduce to any client no matter what. Bro, I can't with that hat. It just makes me laugh right now. It's just killing me right now. Every time he makes a point, it just jingles. What's wrong, Scrooge? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Anti-festive guys, it's Christmas Eve right now. How could you not be Santa Claused out right now? All right, all right, all right. All right, sorry, keep going. We're inching it. All right, go for it. So humbug. So you're talking about maintenance, like you're trying to figure out your maintenance calories. Do that before you do caloric. Well before and I don't even, and I think you should, you should have introduced training consistently. I think you should have played with your diet up and down and a while and kind of have built some consistency around. Okay, I know that on average these days of the week, I burn about this much. My body needs about this much with no cardio involved whatsoever before you even think about introducing that into it. No matter what your goal is. I don't care even if your goal is just longevity over all health. And for sure, if you were trying to burn body fat or build muscle to figure out your caloric maintenance without that introduced into your routine. So you have your home base established. Right. Now, does this include like walking or you mean structured cardio? Structured cardio. Okay. And now that's a big difference because, you know, adding, you know, some walks throughout the day, very good for you, very different than the structured form of cardio. Well, that's because I, with adding walks in the day, the idea of that concept of, you know, creating more movement and, you know, like we, you know, advocate for 10 to 15 minute walks, post eating and stuff like that. When we, when we recommend that, that isn't like, hey, just do that till you get to your goal. That's trying to get people to do that for the rest of their lives. Where telling somebody to get on a treadmill and get after it for an hour, you know, first thing in the morning or at the end of the day for three times or five times a week. That is not a realistic thing for someone to do for the rest of their life. Now, of course, there's exceptions to the rule. There's someone that's listening right now. I've been doing that for 15 years. I love it. Okay. It sounds just like that too. Right. Okay. Good, good for you. The rest of everybody else though, probably hates doing that. And before you get on it and decide you're going to use that as a method of burning more calories, you should have a very good grasp of what your body needs without it and what it needs to, what it needs calorie-wise to lose body fat potentially without introducing it before you decide to introduce it into it. Now, I'll go pro and then con. I think the pro is it's great because you want to know what your maintenance caloric balance is, I guess, so that when you add anything to it, now you know you're adding to whatever your body's burning. And saving cardio as a secret weapon later on is really effective. I've done that also with clients before. I think it's really effective. Now, the con would be discouraging someone from just increasing their activity and they're like, well, I want to do it and I enjoy it. And what I don't, what I think maybe the potential con is that we may be talking people out of doing something that may be good for them. Agreed. So then my middle ground on that for that person is go for a walk then. If you just, you're motivated right now to move more, you recognize you have a very sedentary lifestyle, maybe someone got you a Fitbit for Christmas this year, you put it on, realize your ass doesn't move more than a fucking thousand steps a day. You should be moving and I wouldn't tell that person, don't move until you figure all this. Go ahead, okay, go ahead, go move. But again, be very careful with how you do that because if you are somebody who is extremely sedentary, you don't move more than 500 to 1,000 steps a day. And then you decide as your first plan of action is, I'm going to get on the treadmill for an hour every single day. I don't think that's a smart strategy. That's like four times the movement you are consistently doing and now you're going to just implement that into your routine. Go for a walk. And then when you go try to cut calories to lose weight, it's a bit skewed, right? That's right. Yeah. Well, I think the biggest thing to focus on for most people's goals, which is weight loss, is to focus on getting the metabolic rate to increase on its own because that's a very sustainable approach, right? So if you build some muscle, that'll boost your metabolism. Cardiovascular activity doesn't really do that. In some cases, it actually slows the metabolism down. It's the opposite. It's catabolic. Yeah. And so it's not, it's manual. It's a manual form of calorie burn versus speeding up your metabolism. So I agree with what you're saying. Well, in that context, though, let's talk a little bit why that is such a bad idea. We've talked on the show many times that one of the first things that we do with a client, even if there's somebody who's 50, 100 pounds overweight, is to start to build their metabolism up. Well, i.e., that means increased calories and strength train. That doesn't mean also do cardio. And why wouldn't I also do cardio? Why doing that? Well, it's because it's a conflicting message. One of them is anabolic. One of them is catabolic. One of them is pro-building muscle. The other one is pro-breaking down. So I wouldn't want to try and compete with that. This is a very controversial subject because people misconstrue what you're saying as cardio is unhealthy. Right. It's not true. What I think what we're saying is if your overall strategy is long-term success, the number one thing you should probably focus on is let's see if I can get my metabolism to burn more on its own. And what cardio does when it's done by itself, especially with calorie restriction, is your body and the studies support this. Your body will pair muscle down to kind of offset that imbalance. And so you end up with a metabolism that's more efficient, which is slower. And again, there's a study from the modern hunter-gatherers that show just how efficient your metabolic rate can get. And by the way, I know somebody's going to get on, especially YouTube, and oh, here's a study that shows up. A pound of muscle only burns this much. Okay, it's far more complex than that. There's a range of calories that your body will burn with the current lean body mass that you have. Okay, so even without adding lean body mass or losing lean body mass, your body can become more or less efficient with your current lean body mass. Now, what moves it more or less efficient has to do with the signals you send it, how you feed your body, stress, lots of hormones. For example, you could give someone testosterone who's have low testosterone and you'll see a boost in metabolic rate. That happens before the boost in lean body mass tends to happen. You'll see it start to trend in that direction. So what you want to do is you want to get the metabolism to kind of move a little faster because a faster metabolism definitely was a liability 10,000 years ago. You don't want to have a fast metabolism when it was so hard to come by food. Today, it's the opposite. A fast metabolism is an asset. A slow metabolism is a liability. So it's a great strategy. And I mean, I've done this before where I've taken a client, gotten them to lose 20 pounds and they were eating more at the end of that journey than they were going into it, which it's usually not that way. Usually someone loses 20 pounds or 30 pounds and they're eating way less than they had to. Then they started with and now they're stuck with this kind of low calorie. Well, I like this advice mainly because it's contrary to what people think. And a lot of times when I have conversations with clients and their entire goals weight loss and I like to bring up their activity levels and just where they're at with that and getting them to figure that out as far as a lifestyle and addressing what their rituals are and what their entire day looks like versus like getting a artificial type of manufactured way of moving. In terms of that sticking within like your daily routine, it's so much more effective, I found with human behavior to find those moments to just stand more, to just walk a little bit farther. And you just find more of those type of approaches throughout the day. It's just so much more of a winning strategy. And so I like to focus more on that because people aren't hearing that. It's definitely a winning strategy. Sometimes the science community is so stupid because we look at everything in this six week study. So if you took these, if you took two people that were both need to lose the same weight, let's just say same everything, right? Yeah, I love where you're going with this. Right, and you go, and you say, all right, client A, we're doing cardio. Ride out the gauge, you're doing an hour every single day. Plus cardio, plus weights. Yeah, plus weights. And then the other person I go, no cardio whatsoever. All we're going to focus on is building strength and muscle right now for the first six weeks. At the end of that six weeks, if their goal was ultimately to lose weight, the client that introduced cardio is going to win. But the problem is, life is longer than fucking six weeks. So now let's take those exact same people and give me a year with them. And I guarantee you, the person that I spent the first six weeks focusing on building their metabolism, building muscle, not doing any cardio versus the person who was doing it ride out the gauge, I'm going to whoop the shit out of that person. All the end, I'm going to eat more with this person. So they're going to be more satisfied and they're going to get better results faster in a six month year time. So that's the reason why this gets so, I think so muddied up because there's these little studies that show stuff in a six week or maybe 12 week like timeframe, which that doesn't, that doesn't speak to life. No. And this is why the medical community will still recommend liquid diets. You know, in this study showed, oh my God, they lost the most amount of weight. So here's the argument. I'm so glad you positioned it that way. That's totally true. What we're talking about and what we always consider first is sustainability. We're not talking about just, in other words, the context of effectiveness when we talk about what's most effective, sustainability is at the top of the list. When you hear a bodybuilder or fitness influencer or fitness fanatic or scientist in the space talk about effectiveness. What they talk about is what's the most effective right now, right? Which one gets you to lose the most weight right now, right? And they don't consider sustainability. It's not a consideration. So yes, you're going to find YouTube ex-bodybuilders and whatever, you know, get on. There's one guy in particular who likes to go on and talk about how, you know, that's a bad message, a little short ex-bodybuilder guy. Not going to say his name, but you know he is now. And he likes to talk about this all the time. And the problem is his context of effectiveness is not sustainability. His context of effectiveness is what he did as a bodybuilder, which is, oh, in 12 weeks, you'll lose more weight. Well, yeah, it's true. But who cares? I don't care. I care about sustainability. And look, as a trainer, who worked with just every day average people all the time, the first five years of my career was, my context of effectiveness was how fast can you lose the weight, you know, in a short period of time. Later on, I had to go back and go, that was a complete, the way that I understood effectiveness was so wrong, I did none of my clients value. It's because it was coming just like this guy you're referring to. It's coming from the 1%, the perspective of the 1%. So the way I coach competitors and talk to competitors- Totally different. It's totally different because they're the 1%. They're like, that's their sport. They're fanatical about it. This is not a, this isn't a matter of like sustainability. This is a matter of like, I've got this amount of time. Nobody cares. It's the show. After the show, do whatever you want. Yeah. So like speaking to that, and that's so funny to me when you see these, you know, you two famous people that, like people you're referring to, that are giving advice to the masses. A million plus subscribers, pay attention to them. I guarantee the million plus people who are paying attention to them, 90% of them are not bodybuilders, are not competitors. They're average people looking for advice and they see this body that looks amazing and they aspire to look like that. And so they're taking the advice of this person. It reminds me of, it reminds me of, and there's a few people like this, like these, I don't know what you want to call them, business influencers, right? How to make a lot of money influencers or whatever. And they'll say- Charlatans. Yeah. And they'll say stuff like this, like you just got to grind all day long, barely sleep, work 24 seven, make it, and there's like a small percentage of the population that can do that, like they're 27 year old, no kids, who's whatever. But to the average person listening to that, like, okay, that's not going to work. I can't do that. How long can I do that? What kind of advice can you give me that's going to help me with sustainable business success? Because that option, I can do for 60 days, but then after that, it ain't going to happen. It's the same thing with this. So you have to consider, unless you don't, you're not thinking about long-term success. If you don't care, you're like, look, I want to get in shape for Vegas. You're horse blinders on. You want to look a certain way and do it as quick as possible. We're not the show for you. Yeah. And then after that, I'm done. I don't care what happens after Vegas. I don't care what, you know, if my legs fall off or I gain 45 pounds, just get me in shape for Vegas. In which case, I'll say, well, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to handcuff you to the treadmill. You're going to eat chicken breasts and rice, and then, you know, we're going to take all these drugs. Beat the shit out of yourself. Make you look a particular way. So, hey, speaking of drugs, Adam, are you great transition to me? Hey, I know you got kind of shadow band because you Oh, the wine we thing that are you going to do it again? I see so many people watching it. It was a lot of fun to watch. Yeah, it's still going. Actually, there's still a lot of people that are watching. We're trying to get us to so I did. I did. So it's on the mine pump page, not on your page. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to tell you guys, I got to, I'm going to share a story. I'm so I'm going to apologize first, honey, because I told her I wasn't going to tell the story, but I feel like it's too funny not to share with you guys. Yeah. So I have to, I have to tell you guys. I think it's fine. People that listen won't tell everybody. So yeah. It'll stay in the story. Oh, no. She'll find out as soon as she listens to this, I'm going to be in trouble, but it's just too good. Right. And it's also I endearing, maybe it's the right word for it too. So it's funny and cute, but it's a bit endearing, right, that what happened, right. So I tell Katrina that we're doing this thing, right. So she's got, you know, those that have been following or been listening to us for a long time, no, she's not on social media. She's slow. Like she don't even get half of it. Yeah. Well, we're motivated to begin with or my derailing your story. What would you say? What motivated you to do it, to begin with? Because so many people ask us to, you know, give a glimpse of them. I mean, all of our spouses. Yeah. I don't know if we've taught, off air, we've all talked about this, but if you actually, and I didn't know this is possible, so if you Google something, and then whatever, a term, a name, and then you scroll the very bottom. It's the most common search. Then you get the 10 most common searches attached to that. It's Adam's wife, Adam's girlfriend. Why is Adam's network more than the rest of the guys? Yeah. So literally like the top, like four things attached to me is. While he's talking, I want you to look that up on Google for each of us. I want to see if they're all the same or different. I think it's skewed. Yeah. No, I think, I don't think they've moved my net worth. So I think we're a lot. Yeah. I want to see what it says, Adam Schaefer and then whatever, and then Justin Andrews. Okay. So anyway, so I tell Katrina that, hey, Friday, I want to do this. I tell her, I want to do this, this, you know, live Instagram thing where I answer questions. And she knows I do the question thing every week, right? I said, but I want to have you in there because everybody wants to meet you and they have questions for you. So I tell her this and, you know, I said, we're going to have some wine, smoke some weed and we'll answer questions stuff like that. So she's like, okay, so I tell her that early in the week. And I see on Friday, she comes home and I saw that she had bought some nice rhombauer wine. So she's all about it, right? So now our routine is this. So the time is 7.30 that we're going to do this. Well, that's right about the time that we put Max down. And what our routine looks like is I get them ready, I get them up into the bath and get them started and stuff like that. And then I go back downstairs and kind of clean up from dinner while she's finishing them up with the bath and getting him ready to read to them and then put them and then we read and put them down together. So she's been up there for the last like, I don't know, 45 minutes with them bathing and stuff like that. And so I come up there because it's getting close. I'm getting like the set and we're going to sit outside with the fire and do this. And I come walking up and she's sitting down with him reading and she's in leggings and a mini skirt. Her tits are all out. Like done hair. I'm like, she's like, I'm going live. Bro, well, I go, well, no. So listen. So I go, honey, what are you doing? She's like, well, we have, we have a date night tonight. What kind of a live event do you want to do? I go, I go, we have, we have, she's like, we have a date night tonight. Right. And I said, well, yeah, but I'm we're going live and I'm answering questions. She's like, well, I figured it's like our date thing. And you're just going to answer your questions while we sit there. Oh, she didn't know the camera. She didn't know you didn't know the camera. She just realized it's going to be live on camera. She thought I was just doing like the normal questions and then people could ask her questions and we could sit together. So she gets all done up for me that we're going to do this whole wine and smoke and everything like that. She was so embarrassed. It's good. I mean, bro, she had like the, the knee-high stockings on that everything's all pushed out and everything. And I go, oh honey, I appreciate this so much. I don't think you want it. People are going to be like, and I'm like in hoodie. I'm in a hoodie and a beanie and stuff like that. And I'm all comfy down. And then she got all sexy and stuff like that. And so she had to go run run the bathroom. Easily, easily could have tripled the views out of me. Yeah. What are you trying to do? I know. I thought you thought I already focused on the business. Followers. I'm sure there's been, there have been plenty of people that would appreciate it, but I know she would have been embarrassed because she didn't think that. You surprised her? Boom. There's a little bit of me that kind of thought like, oh, this would be funny. I'm not even going to tell her. And then we'll do it. And I was like, I got to tell her because she'll feel so bad. Do you guys have an outfit? Like, do you guys have a something that you, because women are good at this, right? The men are visual creatures, but you know, they'll know what to put on to get you kind of like, oh my God. Do you guys have anything like that that works for your wives? That you can put something? You do? Yeah, yeah. Gray sweats. Yeah. Oh, the gray sweat. What is it with that? Because you can see all the detail in gray sweats. For some reason, the shadows, I don't know. It just plays into that. You know what? Do you know that I actually didn't know that was a thing? Neither did I. Yeah, me either. So I didn't know that was a thing. Like, this is like 10 years ago. Okay. And I used to teach boot camp class in your gray sweats. In my gray sweats all the time. And it was actually. Your attendance was amazing. It was actually, yeah. It was actually Katrina, who like called me out on it one day. It was like, you know, you use your whole gray sweat thing just to keep your attendance up all the time like that. I'm like, what are you doing? Hey, isn't it going to get better at this? It totally went over. Look at the new mind pump gray sweats coming out. Yeah, it totally went over my head. I didn't really, I never put it together. Is this why your class was always like Adam, demonstrate the burpees and jumping jacks again. We don't know how to, you know, this is your, you guys have been here for years. But here, here it is. And then for Christmas, they all buy me boxers all the time. Hip thrusts. Could put it together. Had no idea what was going on. You know what's so funny? This is what I had no idea about. So I learned that about right around the same time, about 10 years ago. Up until then, I did not know like I knew that like women checked men out, right? But I didn't know women looked at dudes in their junk. Right in the junk. Like I did not know that that was like a thing. Like, because women aren't supposedly supposed to be like, that's not where we look first. I mean, unless you have other preferences. Yeah. What do you mean? Who? Huh? Just saying. You are who? Hot checker guy that looks there first. You got a different preference. Are you a hot checker? On a woman or a guy? No, on a guy. Well, yeah. Oh, I thought you were just said an obvious thing. Geez. You guys get all confused. Justin's like, look, when I look at a guy, I look at a smile. I look at exactly. And I look at you. I look at his broad shoulder. I look at his calves. I don't look at his damn. I don't say that to me. Okay. From being honest, I look at his calves first, then his smile. But I'm your struggling one. But I had no idea. What'd you see on me first, Justin? Yeah. Can you tell me that? I saw your cheesy smile. No, but I did not know that, you know, women were like that. I guess this is pretty naive, but I don't know when we're looking at dudes in their junk right away. Yeah. That's hilarious. I think it's different for each. So I've heard some women say it's their arms for some will say. See, I think they're lying now. Oh, you think so? No, I think they're lying. Because there's a thing about baseball pants. I hope some ladies back me up on this, but there's a whole thing with that. Like, I remember it was just like neck turning stuff when the guys would walk by in baseball. Oh, yeah. Because, yeah. Also the uniform thing, though. Yeah. That's a big one too. Well, that too, yeah. A man in uniform. In any uniform. There's got to be even if it's a janitorial. It was like an authoritarian thing. What is that? There's got to be something evolutionary about it. Custodian outfit. It shows exactly like authority or that you belong to a group. I don't have no idea what the hell it is with uniforms. I have no idea. Gray sweats, I guess it shows more. But how does gray sweats show more than other colors? Is it the color that shows confidence? Yeah, it has something to do with the shadow. It has to do with the color. Black just kind of like all blends in so it's less informing. Yeah, because I posted a picture once on the story. You know, everyone's while posting a flexing picture and I had gray sweats on immediately. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Immediately, Jessica's like, oh, you got your gray sweats on. That was like the YouTube back when we did those videos and we were sponsored by Viori and so we started wearing a lot of those like sweats, the gray sweats and I would get those comments every now. I didn't even think of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just like, okay. That's hilarious. Yeah, I guess this is what everybody's paying attention to. Now, are you guys good about so when the wives do things like this? Like, are you okay? And be honest here, are you, are you guys the good husband that like, you know, when the wife gets her hair cut or when she does her nails or when she- Notices? Yeah, and you say something. Oh, I notice. I was going to say, we notice because I know you have a vision of this. I do that just out of like, you notice Justin misses. I know it. I know that's how it goes. That's not true. Yesterday, hold on. Was it yesterday or the day before Katrina comes in and Justin's like, I do that to get Adam in trouble. Yeah, that's hilarious. Hey, he just threw it out. Yeah, he did something with your hair. Yeah, your hair. That's what you said about our hair or nails or something like that. Thanks for noticing, Justin. I'm so glad somebody noticed. Yeah, Adam needs to work. Bro, I just saw a comedian do a stand-up on this and I thought it was so good. It was so accurate. And he was making fun of like when girls come home and they have their hair done. And he was like, oh my god, the quarter of an inch that they took off. Yeah. Because that's what it is. Like she goes and gets her hair done. And she's like, you didn't even say anything. And I'm like, well, it's kind of the same. Yeah. She's like, you can't tell. This is like one and a half shades lighter. And then I dropped. I took a quarter of an inch off. Yeah. That's why you just say color. Wow. OK, so that colors. You know what though? Just walk away. To a man's defense, have you guys ever seen these, those color charts where they'll show different varying degrees of colors and women are far better at determining different subtle shade differences whereas men are not. So they definitely do notice shit like that. Is that like the extra? Remember that thing that went viral a few years ago? The blue dress. If it was a blue dress. No, that was different. What was that? Do you remember that exercise? I remember. I remember talking about. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I don't. It was like, it was like. That had something. That was something else. That was something to do with how we process. Yeah, like certain people saw like two distinct different colors, right? I do think women see like more like shades of color. They do. No, no, that's a fact. Yeah. In the theory is evolutionarily speaking as gatherers. They would see. That's your theory. No, that's the current. That's your permit. If you say it enough times on the podcast, it becomes a real theory. We're going to look it up. I've shared. I think it's a brilliant theory. I think it makes logical sense. It does. Like I tell the story. I steal your story all time about how when we go look for things in the. No, that's that's that's my theory. I'm talking specifically. Oh, is that what you're saying? Yeah. No, I'm talking specifically about noticing different shades of colors. In the theory is that women are we're better at determining if a fruit or food was either edible or poisonous or bad. This is also why they get hypersensitive to smell when they're pregnant. So because it's better safe than sorry. So they'll not eat something that potentially give you the sweet than the. Yes, that could be poisonous. So they become super hypersensitive and things just make them nauseous because that's that better safe than sorry. You know, I thought you were blending your theory in there with. No, no, that's the other one I made. The mustard that we can't find in the in the refrigerator. It has nothing to do with being lazy. There's something there. There is something there. It's just it literally happened to me last night. I can't see shit sometimes. I just can't. I went in that. It's right in front of me. I went in there last night to give mazzi a benadryl as allergies are kicking up and stuff like that. And I must have been in there for like 15. Honey, are you sure the Benadryl are we out of Benadryl? No, it's in there. I'm looking everywhere. Check the shelf behind. I had that moment, too, of like where she talked shit to me like about that. You're like, I know she's going to find it. So I'm aggressively in there, you know, moving things like we don't normally do. And I'm like, it is fucking not here. So I go running out there. I said, honey, it's not here. I think we're out. You need to order some. She walks in there. Five minutes later, walks out with Benadryl. I swear to God, I swear to God. Hold on a second. But what I believe is she doesn't she puts things. I was just going to say. She puts things in weird places that don't make like here's all the medicine. So I'm checking all around that. And then it was, you know, in a jar over here or hold on a second. Did you see her find it? No, I didn't. OK, maybe she brought it with her. I think they do that, too. I think they just create rules. I think they do that here. I think they do this just to fuck with me. Why does it fucking go there? It doesn't make any sense. It's way too far away. You know, like it would make more sense here. But no, I don't even care. And I don't argue because I don't. I am not going to organize stuff. You guys have seen how I organize things. So I'm just like, yeah, that's fine. You I'll put it where you want. Take a backseat. You manage this. You're way better than I am at this stuff. So I'm more that way at our house. Like I like everything to have its place. Like we literally just built. We just bought this new thing for like for the front door and has like a. You open it up and you can sit on it and shoes and stuff. And it's I've now designated is I told Katrina I said she's like, where's my computer bag? Where's the mail that I said? So that thing is now become my spot where I put your shit that you don't have a place for. So if you don't, if you have not designated a place for it, I'm piling everything in that. And that's a junk box. Yeah, it's a junk box until you can give me a place to put. Because I was like, listen, you've got all this covers. Our place has so much storage. We have empty cupboards in our place. So I'm like, just tell me. I'll put it away for you. Just say this is where I want mail to go. This is where I want when I bring home some weird face cream stuff. This is where I want my computer stuff to go. And I'll put it there. But you guys got to designate us. No, so no, Jessica organizes everything. But here's the only challenge I have. She reorganizes everything. She changes it. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'll open a drawer. And it's just all of a sudden it's empty. And I have a moment of questioning myself. Did I do that? Yeah, no, not that. But like, did I forget? Has it always been this way? I'm often forgetful, right? So I'll open it and be like, now I'm embarrassed. I'm like, oh, I reorganize everything. I'm like, this is the third time in the last two months. What's going on? Anyway, I was going to tell you, you brought up your son. Maybe remember something yesterday. So this is the thing that kids do, I forgot. But my son, Jessica's out with him in the backyard. And she turns around for two seconds, go back around. And he's eating dirt. He decided that he was going to eat something. What is it? So something like, we were so blown away that Max. He got so mad. So Max is not one of those kids. And it's like a 50-50 thing. Like if your kid eats dirt or not, right? Because he grew up on the beach. And that was like Katrina right away was just like, oh, I'm so like, don't let him put his hand in this. And he just never did. And he still to this day is not, he doesn't eat dirt. But some kids like, that's like go-to. As soon as they can grab it, they put it in their mouth. Some kids just love to get in it. You know, smear it on themselves. That's like, yeah, it does mean that's my youngest. But yeah, Ethan's not like that at all. He's like super clean and just like cautious. It's partially how they explore. So textures and you know. Yeah, tasting, trying to figure out what it is. Yeah, but it's just funny to me because like the fastest thing in the world is a one-year-old trying to put something in his mouth when you turn around. You ever do that with it? They grab something, they see you looking at them. Real quick, stuff it in my face. Yeah, yeah. So he goes over and she tries to like open his little, and by the way, a one-year-old's grip. Dude, keep your toes off. Oh, and so she's like opening a little hand, a little dirt coming out. So I got a dad situation to run by you guys. And so I've got my first, you know, mother-in-law hurdle, right? Uh-oh. So, I mean, I anticipate this continues as raising the children happens, right? Well, first you had the haircut thing that you worked through. Yeah, right. So that was like the first hurdle. Here's the next one. And my mother-in-law doesn't even know this because I don't even know, like, do I just chalk this up to the game and just not worry about this and get frustrated with it? So last night, my son is like, I swear, he's, I'm so blessed, he's such a good kid. He's fairly easy, as easy as having a child can be. And when we did all the Christmas stuff, like, he knows, it's like, it looks to him like more like decor. Like, so we've had our Christmas presents out and under the tree for weeks now. And he doesn't mess with them. He'll come over presents and he'll touch them and look at them and ooh, we'll do that. But he doesn't try and rip them open. He totally listens, right? So the last like fucking three days, he's all of a sudden one open to the point where when I tell him, no, he throws a little bit of a tantrum. He cries and he gets, daddy. I'm like, Max, we gotta wait. Chris, I know I want to open him too. And I'm like, I look at Katrina and I go, why is he all of a sudden sort of? She goes, well, my mom, every time I've been taking her house has been letting him open a present every time he comes over. So for the last three weeks, he's visited his Nana and every time he comes over there, she gives in and lets him open a present. He's opening other people's presents even because she wants to be able to let him open it every fucking time he comes over there. So now he's trained that when he comes in the house and sees presents, he can open them. And I couldn't for the life of me figure out, what the fuck happened? Because just like a month ago, this kid didn't care about it. It wasn't, now we're having like full on breakdowns of crying because I won't let him open it. And I'm like, what is wrong with you, son? You haven't acted like this. And then Katrina finally breaks down and goes, yeah, well, my mom has been letting him open presents. I'm like, what do you mean presents? Like, oh, well, every time I drop him off, she says that he wants to open it. So she lets him open. Yeah. Oh, motherfucker. Grandparents, dude. Dude. They break all the rules. They do this. They like, they drop a bomb and then they leave. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I just let him have a Sunday. You know, it's 10 o'clock at night. I know. Oh, but here you go. Yeah, I know. You know, it's a tough one because part of it is like, they have their own, you want them to have their own relationship with their grandparents and aunts and uncles. The other side of you is like, respect what we like to do. So it's like, it's a give and take. I don't want to rob her of her joy. Right. And also his joy with his, you know, because, right. Okay. Here's the deal. I think back because I was very close to my grandparents growing up. And a lot of people weren't. So they might not understand this, but I was. And there were definitely special things that I did with my grandparents that I didn't do with my parents. And it became this thing like, and it wasn't, I know my parents wouldn't allow me to do the same stuff, but it became like this, like my grandmother, and this may be an Italian thing. I don't know. She used to like to sneak us money. So she would have this money. Like it was a drug deal. And she'd go like this. Like, shh, don't tell your mom. It was a funny thing. Isn't there a meme that went viral of that, where they're like, where the grandma, because my grandma used to do this too, where she folded up real small and she hands it to you. Okay. So you had a good relationship with your grandma. Yeah. Yeah. My grandma, I were really tight like this. So think about this. She used to do this for me. Think about the stuff that you do with your grandma that your mom and dad would have never done. And it kind of made a special. Totally. Yeah. And it's, in my opinion, there's, it's give or take. Some stuff's not worth it. Like, like my grandpa let me smoke a cigar and I was like nine years old. Yeah. So like that's crossing the line. That might be crossing the line. That's the little whiskey I was like hanging out with him and his friends at the pool hall. I believe my, my love language was developed because of my grandmother. So my love language is, is material things. And every time I see my grandma, every time I see my grandmother, she took a shopping, which you talk about what my parents would try. My parents crazy was that at any time I, I saw her, that was, she took me right away, took me go shopping for clothes, toys, whatever. And that was like, I got spoiled every time I visited her. But that also turned it, I always felt like I was so, I've ever, all my family members, right? Parents, aunts, uncles, everyone, my grandmother I felt the most loved from. Oh. And so I, it molded how I, You know what's funny though? I'll ask you this. She did that, but that's not the main reason why you felt loved by her. No, of course. Yeah. So you, but you also connected. Yeah, I connected that. As a kid. Because it wasn't like our whole time together was shopping. You know what's funny about that generation? Like Justin, you said your grandfather had you smoke a cigar when you were nine. That generation was so different. My grandfather would take my cousin and I, so we're the same age, my cousin, Seth and me are about the same age. He would take us in the room when we were like nine or 10. And he'd say, come here, come here, try this, try this. And it would, he'd give us a shot glass and he would put a little bit of grappa in there, which is like whiskey, that'll burn your face when you're nine. Grappa, what are you doing? No, no, that's bad. Gasoline. Yes. And you would give it to us a little bit. And he'd say, go ahead, taste it. And I'd be like, I'd look around like, I don't know, I don't know if I would. Come on, do it. It'll put hair in your chest. And then I'd do it again. That was always the thing. And he'd start laughing. You're going to make you a man and you put it away. This is like what my grandfather would say to us. Yeah, man. It's going to put hair in your chest. It's so, it's so hilarious. Helicopter parents' heads exploding right now. Oh, it's ridiculous. Hey, I want to bring something up before I forget, Adam, especially you, because I know you were in this industry. The California weed industry. Are you reading what's going on right now? I tend to stay pretty current. What are you referring to right now? Okay. So, so this is very interesting now. And we called this, we called this when, you know, things were starting to get legalized in California. And what we said was, that's great. But if they over-regulate and over-tax it, they're going to maintain a very vibrant black market. Okay. Sure enough, the dispensary industry, the leaders of California dispensaries or whatever, have written a big letter to Gavin Newsom, who's the worst governor of all time. They sent it to him and they said, Amen. Hey, our industry is on the verge of collapse. I've laid off half of my people. They said 75% of the weed in our industry is being sold illegally because the taxes that you guys are charging are so high that it's, we can't compete with that market. So what they're asking for is like a holiday on the taxes on it or on a reduction. But this just goes to show like you can legalize something, regulate it so hard that you still keep the black market going. I mean, people ask all the time where I get my stuff from and it's, I don't get it from the clubs because the best stuff doesn't make it to the clubs. There's still a demand on the black market to pay a premium for that. And that premium is cheaper. Yeah, is cheaper or about the same price that you'll pay for the best top shelf stuff in a club. And so people are just like, why even, it's created this still vibrant black market. Because, and I remember when I was there, I don't know what the taxing looks like, but boy, we had to pay like tax, tax, tax, I think like three different taxes on a transaction. So it was great, like a total of like 20-something percent in taxes is just ridiculous. And then on top of it, they pass something like you have to grow your own supply and you have to do it like this. All in-house. And they regulate the crap out of it. And what that does, Milton Friedman a long time ago said- It's the dumbest thing ever because now you have to be a master grower and producer in addition to somebody. It's just, it's better to keep those separate. There's farmers that have been doing this forever that you should allow to do their job and be good at it and then let distributors and people that are running clubs do their job, which is operating a business. Milton Friedman said a long time ago that from a business perspective, the war on drugs literally is to protect the drug cartels and their profits because it doesn't allow legal competition. So, and to give you a good example of this, I don't remember who was the guy's, what was the guy's name who was in New York City? He was selling cigarettes on the black market because that's a vibrant black market in New York City. And then remembered the cops took him down and he died or whatever from- Beverly Hills Cop. No, Eddie Murphy. No, did that happen? That part one. You don't remember that? No. That's how it opens. The opening scene on Beverly Hills Cop One is Eddie Murphy is undercover and he is selling crates of cigarettes in New York. I do now, I remember that. Yeah, remember that's the opening scene and then the truck takes off and he's fine. Well anyway, so in New York City, there's a vibrant black market for cigarettes because they've done the same thing. Still. They've taxed the shit out of cigarettes. So stupid. So that's something you have to consider. If you want to legalize something and also reduce the black, because the black market, one of the big challenges of the black market is disputes can't be handled legally. So they tend to be handled violently, right? So if you steal from me or whatever, I can't take it to court because it's a black market. So we're going to handle it just you and I and then quality control and all that stuff, right? So this is a big issue. You know, the interesting, it would be interesting to see good stats on this. I bet you the black market, okay, with all the cannabis clubs, okay, that are now all over the country and doing business and being taxed on, I would predict that the black market is no smaller today on marijuana than it was 10 years ago. It's just organized differently. Yes, right. And I think all it really did was introduce people who weren't going to smoke weed ever or thought it was taboo or thought it was bad. So that's who's going, that's who, what about Colorado? Well, just in terms of their, their economy there with cannabis, it like it's pretty, it seems pretty, I mean, I don't know what their tax, their taxing is. They were like one of the first to legalize and to organize and to get the state more involved with coming in. I don't know how they organize it there, but I do know that- Still a black market there. What politicians will do is that they'll look at a market and if it's considered like a bad, you know, quote unquote, bad activity, then they have carte blanche to tax the shit out of it, right? Because, oh, it's weed. So we're going to tax the hell out of it, right? Oh, it's cigarettes. We're going to tax the hell out of it. Oh, it's sugary sodas. We're going to tax the hell out of it. And the way they back it up is by saying, well, this is something that is bad, right? But what they don't- what doesn't happen or what people don't realize is the unintended consequences often result in a worse outcome, right? So what's the outcome here in California is that the black market remains strong or stronger and that's not a good thing. We still have a huge black market now. So when I was involved in the clubs, it was very common practice for these club owners to be running a legitimate business, being taxed with that. Totally. But basically using it as a front to be doing all this backdoor business illegally. Shipping across to other states, maybe even doing other drugs that aren't legal yet. So they don't care the business profits there. And so I was in this to try and legitimize it with my buddies. Especially because it wouldn't let you put the money in your bank. Yeah, that was a huge problem. So it's like, here, you guys work in cash. What are you going to do? You can't just keep stuffing it under your mattress. Yeah. And then it made guys like us, who were trying to do it legitimately, really difficult because then those guys could undercut prices. So they would do prices that, I mean, I'm running the books at our place. So I'm like doing the math, like, okay, you're paying this from a farmer. You're getting taxed this much. That was impossible. It's not possible. I'm like, you can't do that. You can't, there's no way. And they can't, everyone start price gouging just to get the most foot traffic to come through their place. So then they could do other stuff. I see. So that became a race to the bottom. And no one gave a shit about the business actually being that profitable. Profitable legitimately. Because exactly. So I mean, that's been one of the biggest challenges with this whole industry as it's grown. It's also a big reason why I wanted out of it. I was just like, this is stupid. And that's where I left the clubs to get into the growing side because that was a little more streamlined. At that time. Yeah. At that time, it was a little more streamlined and free. You could go get your license. And at that time, I could distribute to any club so long as I follow the rules. Have you guys ever seen the, you can actually look this up. There's numbers that show that there's a certain amount of revenue that the government will collect when they raise taxes, but then pass a certain point, they don't collect anymore. Because what happens is they'll raise taxes, revenue will go up, then they'll keep raising them. Economy doesn't grow as much. So although it's a greater percentage of the revenue that's of the economy, because the economy shrank, they actually bring in less. And then you'll see in other cases, they'll cut taxes. What is if it grows the economy, they actually collect more money. That number is called something, that sweet spot. I don't remember. There's a turn for it. There's a really good guy that I wish are, you just reminded me of an incredible interview that Patrick Bet David did. And he did it with this like, I believe he was Clinton and Bush's and like a couple presidents, like economists and he's a CPA. And he talks all about this. God, I'll look it up. So hopefully I can add it to the show notes, but you just reminded me. And he talks about that. By the way, speaking of taxes, Elon Musk is gonna pay 11 billion. 11? It's up from eight. I saw eight. It's 11 billion dollar record. Ever. Ever, right. So how does that pay? By the way, Elizabeth Warren called him a freeloader. I can't believe the irony there. I don't understand people who buy into that. Yeah, but you have to be insane. She walked into a fucking buzz saw. Because he straight dropped my order. I'm baffled that people like, okay, so you know, these politicians that are, they're net worth, like you just look, look at all the politicians, like what their net worth is. Oh, right. And look at like a Pelosi, like how the hell are you that wealthy? It's crazy. You have to ask questions. It's crazy to me that they're even allowed to trade. Oh, dude. Did you see that? Dude, did you see what's coming out? What? Yeah, talk about that Twitter page. So I'll get there, too. So they're investigating trades that politicians and people in the know, because for some reason, they don't get scrutinized by the SEC like other people do, right? So weird. So politicians. It's not weird. Who oversee, they oversee legislation on markets, oversee legislation on companies, and then they'll make trades based off of those. There was one federal judge who made 130. I saw that 130 cases. Yes. He was involved in. Yes. Now there was a trades on. Now trip off this. That's insane. And politicians do this all the time. And so in Pelosi's well known for it, there's other politics. By the way, it's not a Democrat thing. It's a Republican. It's just people in power. Yeah, I know. I know Paul was. He did something. He didn't disclose after like, like 16 months or something. It's crazy. And this should not be allowed because it totally will influence the way that they make. Well, it doesn't make sense to me because the president can't do that. Only person. He's yeah. The president can't do that. He's got to put any sort of like holdings of yours. It has to go into like a blind trust. If I understand it correctly. So the thing that doesn't make sense to me is what, why aren't all politicians under that same. Who passes those laws? You got to be a special kind of moron to think that. I mean, I get it. I get why they're making. I get why they're all in on it and why left or right doesn't want to pass that because that's one of the best ways they can all make money. I mean, I think that's the, I think that's the reason why we might not ever see that pass because everybody knows these fuckers don't make a lot of money for their date. They're nine to five. No, I mean, what's the salary for Congress? The power, the influence. And then it's like 250 a year. Yeah, I wish I should say terrible, like 250 is terrible. But I mean, terrible if, okay, it doesn't make sense is what you should say. They're worth, some of them are worth $50 million. You've been making $200,000 a year. Yeah. Like you ain't going to save $50 million. There was a, okay. So here, a long line. Are you looking up the average congressman's salary? Could be? Yeah, $174,000. It's even less, dude. It's even less. Yeah, 174 a year. And they're all, they're all multi, multi millionaires. Now, Justin said something that really, so for people who don't think social media is in the bag for, for politicians, here's your evidence right here. There was this Twitter page. That, that. Following Pelosi. It po, what it did is it said she, it said she's the best trader of all time. And they showed how, how like on the point, all our trades are. And so all they did was highlight her trades so people could follow them. Twitter blocked the account. Yeah, I know. Imagine if you're going into casino and you have that kind of winning percentage, like the pit bosses all over you, dude, is throwing you out and like breaking your hands. Oh, that's insane. All right. Speaking of winning, I know we're supposed to mention Viori today. I do want to say if you look them up and you type in news, Viori, they are consistently listed as one of the fastest growing straight to consumer companies as one of the fastest growing athleisure wear companies. They have gone from zero to 100 in such a fast period of time. I can't even believe it. It's one of the most exciting companies I've ever seen. Like they're growing so fast. They went from, nobody knows them. How, oh, you're going to try and compete with what with Lulu and whatever to, they are now trend setters in that space. It's insane. I'm so, I'm so proud of us on that. Fine. The fact that we've been rocking with them for over four years now. And they've been a partner of ours and to see them have that kind of, they might be, when I look at our, you know, portfolio of partners, they probably are one of the biggest ones that have grown since we've been hooked up with them. Oh my God. They grew so much. Because what was the valuation? What did Joe say to us was $2 billion? Now? Yeah, I think when we started, they were under $100 million. Oh yeah, they were under $100 million. I remember him first disclosing their sales with us when we first got started and they were under $100 million. And they just exploded. Now they're in the billions. By the way, what are you doing with the ripstop pants? You keep talking about tapering. Oh, so Justin's wearing them right now, right? Yeah, so do I. So these are, oh you are, so these are not my favorite pants that they have. These are hot. You don't like these? I love these. I'm so confused. Who was the name of the guy that you introduced us to? You, he was at the Christmas party and he's done some design work for us. You were working on the bags with them. Jason, is that his name? Jesse. Jesse, Jesse, thank you. Jesse, yeah. So the first time we met Jesse, we met Jesse. You invited him up to the truckie house and he shows up. And I never met him before this time. And he's wearing Viori pants, but they're cuffed at the bottom and they look like the ripstop. And I'm like, yo, where did you get those? Like I have all Viori stuff and I've never seen those. Those are sick. And he's like, oh, these are the ripstops, but I went and took them to my tailor and I got them, I got elastic put in the bottoms. So they're tapered and cuffed. So I was like, no way. And he's, I was like, how much do you pay then? He's like, oh, it was like five or 10 bucks. So I went and took mine because I never wear them. I don't like how they're open at the bottom. And I got them all cuffed for like five or 10 bucks. It's not like they're baggy at the bottom. Yeah, but I still like the. It's all like tight though. Yeah, yeah. That's the style. You want people to see your ankle tattoo. It makes you look close for that butterfly. Another company I want to bring is another company we work with. So remember how we talked about Luna? I think we did a whole episode, we did with physical therapists. And how I brought up how it should be normalized that women get physical therapy postpartum. The DMs I got from therapists that specialized on this were incredible. I had one lady send me and she goes DM me and she says, I'm so glad you brought that up because it's still not accepted. And she said 100% one of the most valuable things a woman can do postpartum is do physical therapy specifically for being postpartum, like working on the pelvic floor. Dude, it's so crazy that you wouldn't consider that because it's such a journey, a traumatic journey on the body to go through that. And to be able to recover from that is getting help in that direction would be huge. Pelvic floor issues postpartum are super common. And if you don't address them and fix them, they stay with you, they can stay with you for a long time and then they can cause dysfunction and other things. So common symptom like, oh, I can't hold my P in or I can't control those muscles or I lose core stability or back pain, which is very common. Of course, diastasis recti, which is something different. So she's like, oh yeah, she goes, it makes such a huge difference when a woman sees me postpartum and I can do certain, because it's very specific. It's not like you're just training them. It's very, very specific. And then the part that she was excited about, she's like, I wasn't familiar with Luna. She was, I think it's brilliant because one of the reasons why women don't get therapy postpartum is most moms don't want to part with their baby and go to a clinic to go meet with a therapist. She goes, the fact that they could go to someone's house, she said it's absolutely brilliant. Talk about a company that's exploding. Doug, what are our rules as investors on what we can share? When they send their quarterly updates to us to that, are we allowed to... No, I don't think so. Are we not allowed to share that? Depends on the company, right? If they want us to. I thought like that, when you're an investor and I don't know how many total are now investors in Luna, we get our quarterly updates. And that's like a private email that gives you the inner workings of the growth and the success. Is that public information or is that... Well, it's obviously not public because it's a private company. I would say that we probably shouldn't share it simply because that's their information. Yeah, better to err on the side of being correct. I don't know if it's a problem. No, we can't share this. They are exploding. Well, yeah, I know that's what I... It'd be nice to share with our audience like the growth that we've seen. Yeah, the real number of growth that we've seen in the just the last six months that we've been tied in with them. I can't see how they won't completely overturn the industry. There's no... They're already doing it. They're a giant in the making. There is not a single negative. I can at least say this, right? We almost doubled the valuation from the time we got invested in, which was less than six months ago. I mean, that's crazy. And they were already north of $100 million company. So just to see double growth in months time, it's on a rocket ship right now. Yeah, I'm excited to see it really. I mean, I knew it was going to be a big deal when I had told my buddy about it, who was in physical therapy, and he had no clue about it. And then literally like weeks later, he called me like, bro, Luna came in and actually did a whole presentation. He's like, holy shit. I'm like, yeah, dude, this thing is going to disrupt this space completely. All right, speaking of health, I got to bring something up, which is kind of interesting. So there's been some studies done on the COVID-19 spike protein, right? So everybody knows about the spike protein because that's what the vaccines are based off of, and it's what houses the virus, and it's what causes it to stick to certain cells in the body or whatever. So this was, researchers have found a concerning link between certain heart cells and the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which is COVID-19. So the spike protein appears to change cells in the small blood vessels around the heart, disrupting their regular function. So this was presented at the European Society of Cardiology of Congress, and they show that the spike protein binds to cells called parasitites, or parasites, I think, or parasites. I don't know how to pronounce it right. It's P-E-R-I-C-Y-T-E-S. Now, here's my issue with that, okay? The spike protein is not just present in the COVID-19 virus. It's also what we put in the vaccines, which may be why the vaccines have been observed in some cases to cause heart inflammation or issues related to that. So that spike protein itself, which pharmaceutical companies were really smart, and they did have a very short period of time, they had to find something that they could design their vaccine around that would work. They chose the spike protein, and it was almost unanimous. Like you look at all the competing pharma companies, they all chose the spike protein. This is what we got to base it off of. But now what we're finding is the spike protein itself, by itself, causes issues. Of course, the virus also causes even more issues. So then the question is, if you have a bad reaction to the vaccine, does that mean you would have gotten a worse reaction to the virus, which is a lot of people talk about? It seems like at least it would be a similar reaction. Yes. Very interesting, right? So it's crazy because it's that protein, by itself, that can cause issues separately from the virus, which also causes its own issues. So we'll see what ends up, what we end up figuring out later on. So I'd like to wait for more data to come out. Did you watch the All In Podcast where they talked about what's happening, though, since the RNA protein that you're talking about, all that research is now, there's connecting it to some positive things that may help cancer? Oh, that technology. That technology's huge. Well, and so that may be the silver lining in this whole push on the vaccine so fast, as it pushed a lot of things forward. They're definitely innovating a lot of new methods of treatment. If you look at the technology behind mRNA vaccines, the promise is incredible. There is almost endless range of things that you could prevent or treat from this technology. Because you're technically manipulating someone's DNA code, right? Is that a simple way of saying it? I mean, it's not quite, but somewhat, right? And so what that allows you to do is it allows you to produce targeted antibodies for specific diseases or viruses or illnesses or cancers even. So the potential is massive. Now, that doesn't mean it's going to happen, but the potential is massive. Yeah, super fascinating that when you see this stuff happening and then when we talk to z-biotics and what they're doing with GMO, just with GMO bacteria, like what's coming in the next 10 years is going to be really interesting what we're going to be able to do. We are about to enter into two radical shifts in medicine. One is that the ability to modify certain genes to do kind of what we want, which again, the potential could be endless there, and then the second revolution is going to be in mental health with the research that's coming out with psychedelic research. I mean, you're right. We could in the next 15 to 20 years enter into a new era of medicine where we solve problems that were before were almost unsolvable, maybe treatable to a low degree, but not solvable. Exciting. 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What's going on, Daniel? How can we help you? Hey, guys. First off, thanks for having me on. So high-level overview sort of headline here is, how do I increase my VO2 max while having a nuclear metabolism and not sacrificing gains? So the context here, like I grew up, Sal, probably very similar to you, like long distance runner, very skinny, like strong wind. There goes Dan. And found strength training and was able to pack on a bunch of muscle and now been going through MAPs and Ebola, which is awesome. But I've worn a wrist-worn heart rate monitor for the last seven years, whether it's Fitbit or Garmin or Woop or whatever. And I've noticed with weight gain and strength gains, VO2 max going down and resting heart rate going up and trending in a way that I don't like. So I'm curious if you guys have any tips or tricks on how to do that while not sacrificing mass and strength gains in the gym. Dan, any particular reason why you want, other than just having a better VO2 max, do you have anything specific, why you want to improve that? No, it's more of just like a longevity thing. Like, I'm a big fan of Dr. Peter Atia and some of his research on VO2 max being a sort of all-cause mortality reduction and closely followed by strength. So I want to make sure that I can be capable in any scenario that I encounter. Got it. But I'm not like a professional athlete or anything. Didn't you poke holes the other day in the Peter Atia thing? Yeah, it was a little extreme. But okay, here's the deal. You said something that I like. You want to be ready for whatever, right? So you kind of want to be fit overall. You're noticing that you're losing some stamina because you're not focusing on it. That's totally normal. And you don't want to lose your gains or do too much to the point where you start to lose muscle and strength. Your best bet is sprints or sprint-type activities. So you could do high-intensity interval training style workouts a couple days a week. We'll do a good job of maintaining a decent VO2 max, but it's more like resistance training than long-distance, steady-state-type cardio-type training. So sprints are really good on a bike or on hills or running. Intervals with a jump rope, where you're doing lots of speed, or intervals on a rower. These are short bouts. The total session would be 20 minutes maybe or 30 minutes at the most with these bouts of maximal exertion for 30 seconds. And then you slow down and wait for your heart rate to drop back down and then repeat it. And this is a great way to build stamina in a way that is more muscle-friendly than doing an hour or more of kind of steady-state-type of training. I want to point out too that increasing your VO2 max is something you could do pretty quick too though. So like... It responds real quick. Yeah, like in a week. So you could literally improve it that fast. So I see lots of different things that we can do here. We can take the advice that you're saying, Sal. Or you can interrupt your strength training every four weeks or so with a week of really pushing on the cardio and trying to get the VO2 back up. I mean, there's nothing that says that. He's not going to lose all his muscle in one week. So it's not going to... And it'll probably benefit you somewhat in your strength training. So if you just want to... So I don't do anything... I'm not like this hard up on my VO2 max, but this is... I'll run the mile. And I am probably not as frequent as every month, but I like to get on there every couple months to make sure I can do it. And all I'm really trying to do is to say, hey, I want to be able to... If I need to turn it on for a mile, I can get after it and keep my mile time under, say, eight minutes. In case the coppers get you. Well, no, actually for the exact reason that Daniel is saying. Like, I agree. I want to be able to still get up there and move and do those things. And I think there's tremendous benefit as we age to still be able to do that stuff. And I just don't want to lose it. But I also care more about being stronger and building muscle. And I tend to lean more that way. But then what I'll do is I'll just, every month or two, get on there and make sure that I can get that mile time under eight minutes. If I can't, then for a week or so, I'll train it and get after it and get it back down. Yeah, I always consider this too just for athletic purposes and wanting to move quickly and to be able to maintain that ability. So that's something I'll cycle this back in. And to Sal's point, doing a little bit more anaerobic type cardio where I'm doing it in bursts because it's, to me, it's always translated more to things that I'm more interested in doing and, you know, having those abilities to be more explosive. I want to train that. So, and it will help, you know, in terms of like increasing that VO2 max, you'll get the benefit of that as well. You know it's a great program, Daniel. I know you're doing MAPS anabolic, but have you tried MAPS strong? I haven't yet, no. Work sessions are amazing. MAPS strong is incredible. The work sessions are focused on improving your work capacity. And there's carries and sleds and you're doing, you know, AMRAP session. I mean, it'll get your, definitely gets your heart rate up. I loved that program. And remember, consider, you know, when we wrote the program with Robert Oberst, he said there's a somewhat of a stamina component in a high level strongman competition. And he says, you know, if you go in there and you're super strong like a power, or if you get your ass kicked, if you don't have some athleticism and some stamina, MAPS strong, this work sessions are incredible. And they're along the lines of kind of what I'm recommending, except they're structured and they're programmed. So if you don't have that program, we'll send it to you. If you do try it out. I think you'll really like it. What I love about it, it's just people don't really consider that. It's, this is such usable endurance and usable cardiovascular effort. Like when you're carrying things, like you, you have that kind of stamina you need, you know, for everyday activities. And it definitely has this massive carryover for everything else just functionally throughout the day. Yeah, that would be, I've got anabolic and performance and aesthetics. Strong is like the only one I don't have. But you got it now. We'll send it over to you. That's awesome. Thank you guys so much. No problem. Thanks for calling, Daniel. Yeah, that, I like, you know, I mean, okay. So when it comes to training, of course there's specific skills you can train for and then there's specific, I guess, aesthetic goals and longevity goals. And when it comes to like you, like Justin was saying, like usable stamina, the explosive kind of higher intensity stamina tends to be more usable in everyday life when you really need it, aside from being able to walk, right? So if you can walk good distances, that's probably pretty usable. The sled, heavy carries, sprints have always given me a tremendous amount of return. And they've really never, I mean, you can overdo anything, right? But they've never taken away for my strength or muscle gains. In fact, oftentimes they actually contribute to the strength of muscle gains simultaneously while I'm building stamina in those things. Yeah, and just in terms of like doing cardio and like going long distances, like it's just, there's a lot less opportunity for that. Now I know like people, like their days are just crammed with a million different activities and work-related items. And so to be able to kind of be efficient with that, but also have a lot of like cardiovascular carryover, doing work sessions to me makes the most sense. I'd be really curious to see some studies or research around, you know, if you actually just ran a mile every day before your workout and use less than eight minutes. And you just keep that mile time low. So, you know, you can do it, and you know, maybe, and obviously improve on it if you're doing it every single day. That's not going to hinder you building much muscle. I mean, eight minutes or less. Especially when you get to the point where you're really, you're conditioned. Right, you're conditioned and you can run that mile. It's just more health focused. Yeah, and I think that's his main, that's what I got from this, right? So he listened to Peter Atia and him talk about all the research around, you know, having improved VO2 max. Hey, run a mile every day. Run a mile every day before your training and keep that mile time down. And I'm sure that your VO2 max will be in a very good place for overall longevity. It'll probably carry over into your training and support that and only make you better at your workouts. Yeah, you know, other things that are overlooked are like complexes, three exercises put together. They used to call these giant sets in bodybuilding, but, or even one, like you do barbell squats at a relatively high intensity for 20 reps with a 45 second rest in between sets. It's gonna hurt, it's gonna be screaming. Oh yeah, you do five sets of that and you're done, right? And you're gonna get a lot of work capacity or you string together three exercises that are somewhat difficult, of course, maintain good form. You're gonna get a decent amount of stamina. Now, you're not gonna get that long endurance type of stamina, which, you know, if that's your goal then you wanna train that way. But in terms of the health effects, you don't need, you can do those kind of shorter bursts of anaerobic activity and get quite a bit. Our next caller is Tony from Georgia. Tony, what's happening? How can we help you? I'm doing pretty good, so. Just a quick background. I'm 48, I lost about 120 pounds over the last two years roughly. Wow, that's great. I started with doing a keto diet in a minute of fasting and then about six months after that, I started the Body for Life program with, for about six months. The next six months I did a lot of running and then I went in and got a dexa scan and saw that my metabolic rate, my base metabolic rate was like 1400 calories a day base. And I just realized I needed to start adding muscle, other types of things to my body, so. And so I started the 5x5 program, probably six months or so ago, and that worked really well. I was able to put 10 pounds of muscle on and lose five pounds of fat over the last six months or so. But I'm just wondering, how long does it take to rebuild your base metabolic rate back to something reasonable? I've heard the podcast you recently did on like 100 people and how to help them lose 100 pounds and I know I did it all wrong. And I'm trying to get it right now, so I'm just wondering what that rebuilding process looks like and the amount of time it takes. Yeah, that's a good question. All right, so little recap, right? You lost 120 pounds, which is a significant amount of body fat. So first off, congratulations, that's no easy feat. And then, I don't know if you said this part, but I see it in the written question that you sent that now you've got your metabolic rate up to 1600 calories, so you've rose it by about 200 calories. Is that correct? Yeah, between May and October moved from 14 to 16. Okay, so let me put that into perspective for you. Pretty good. Yeah, let me put that in perspective for you, because I know this seems like a long process. You've been at this now for a while since the beginning of your weight loss journey, but to put that in perspective, 200 calories is a good, I don't know, 45 minutes to an hour of cardio every single day. So essentially what you've done from May to October is gotten your body to burn the equivalent of about 45 to 60 minutes of cardio every single day. So I know it doesn't sound like much because it's 200 calories, but that's a great, that's a nice jump. 200 calories on its own, right? You're not doing anything extra. It's just burning those extra calories. So you're on the right track. Now, how long is this going to take? Boy, that's a tough question to ask, but I do want you to understand this, that, and there's some theories that surround this, that maybe the central nervous system has a memory of a person in terms of how many calories they were burning before or what they had to do to lose weight and where they were for a long period of time. And so it may take a little while, but you're going to be trending up that entire time. So it may take a year or two years or three years even, I doubt, but even to get to the point where you're like, man, my metabolism is, is roaring and I feel good and everything's, you know, where I want it to be, but consider how long you were in the other state and what you might have done. You said you did a lot of things wrong. What you did to lose that weight in the first place, but here's the good news. Three years from now is going to be here anyway, right? So you could either be three years from now with a metabolism that's burning, you know, 2,500 calories or you could be where you were before or have progressed nowhere at all. So the good news is it's going to trend. It's going to continue to slowly trend in that direction. The bad news, it might take a while, but once you're there, man, it's so much easier to maintain. So stay the course. Okay, stay the course. Allow your body to get comfortable with what's going on to put its guard down, if you will, to speed up its metabolism. Because remember, your body, your body doesn't necessarily want a faster metabolism because it's always ready for the next famine or the next time that you're going to consume few calories and overwork yourself or whatever. So give yourself a little bit of time. And my advice is to enjoy this process because if you're counting the days, it's going to feel so much longer than it's actually going to be. Well, there's a couple of things I want to address and ask. So first question I have for you, Tony, if I had a client that hired me right now after they accomplished what they did at your age, that much weight loss, the thing I would ask you to get your blood work done, I'd be curious to see where your hormone levels are. Have you done that anytime recently? I started actually with a functional medicine doctor. I don't recall actually, and it was under the guidance of the first six months of that doctor. I thought it was going to be an important thing to do for any number of reasons. However, I don't ever recall having my hormones included in those panels to test. So that would be one thing that I would love for you to do is I would say, hey, go get your blood work. And if you don't know this, we have a free forum that we now have called Mind Pump Hormones. It's on Facebook. We have two doctors that are in there that are constantly answering questions. They go on twice a month live and answer all your questions. It's absolutely for free. It's something that we're providing for our audience. So I would recommend you go in there and poke around, ask questions, also get a good blood work done, and then maybe present that to them and see what they have to say. So I would look into that. And then the other thing that I would dive into a little bit is your programming. So I see you do a five-by-five, kind of what you call a bro split, a trainer, something like a trainer, somebody give to you. How long have you been running that routine for? If I look back the last six months, which is really the six months where I've done weight training, before that, I wouldn't count it as weight training at all. It's time to switch out of that and try something different. Yes. I put you on maps at Ebola or mass performance right now is what I would do. It's time to change up your routine. That's a long time to be doing kind of the same thing. And what's exciting is because you're on kind of a traditional bro split. Maps anabolic is a lot different than that. And I think that will actually send a nice signal for your body to adapt and build some more muscle. So that alone with you probably reverse dieting and trying to increase calories over this time and get that metabolism, I think it will serve you really well. And then getting your blood work, I think those are a couple of things that I would first like to address. I mean, it could be a whole host of different things that we can do to help you. But to Sal's original point, I would also tell you that, hey, we're doing good, man. You're on a good track right now. If we were trying to speed it up or make sure we don't hit a hard plateau, the two things that I would probably look at is the programming, making sure that I'm phasing you out every four weeks or so to the way your training looks so your body is consistently having to adapt to something new, that'll be a good signal for it. And then the other thing, I would just get a deep dive from like a hormone therapist just to make sure your hormones are all balanced and we're doing well there. Those two things, I think, will keep you going pretty well. Of course, and you listen to that episode, but I want to recap some of the important points of it. Make sure your protein intake is high and don't be afraid to eat a little bit in a surplus. I know it can be frustrating if you see the scale move up a little bit, especially from where you came from. But remember the bigger picture, I think you have already very positive. You've already added 200 calories. And like I said, when I painted the context, that's significant. That's a significant change in your metabolic rate. You can keep moving in that direction. You just got to trust the process and try not to allow those insecurities, which we all have, but try not to allow your insecurities to drive you in the wrong direction, which is kind of what got you here in the first place. So high protein, slow increase in the calories, change the routine. We're going to send you maps anabolic if you don't have it. I'd love to hear from you six months from now. I feel like if you do the right things in six months, we should be able to get your metabolic rate up, at least another couple hundred, probably more like four or 500 more calories. Get into that mind pump hormone form. We're in there active daily. So if you get in there and talk with us and talk to doctors, we can all kind of keep an eye on you and track and give you any sort of feedback that we possibly can on this journey. Super. Thanks, I appreciate it. No problem, man. Yeah, this process can take a little while. I had one lady I remember actually talked about her in the resistance training revolution, but it took us almost a year. Hers was different. She didn't lose a lot of weight, but she had damaged herself through repetitive competitions, bikini and figure, and overtraining like crazy. But at the end of that year, it was so significant. And then of course later on, see this person and train with them and eventually become a trainer. A year later, two years later, three years later, she would tell me how, and it took me so long to convince her to move in this direction. But then when she did, obviously everything worked out. I remember three years later, she'd come up to me and be like, it's so weird. I used to just eat anything off the menu before and gain a pound. She goes, now it's like I can't gain weight. Like I just eat as much as I can and my metabolism is roaring. It just takes a little bit of time. Well, and this is why the whole process of losing weight, we try and highlight how we would direct that because it really makes a substantial difference in terms of like how long that takes and how long you've been sort of depriving your body of nutrients and building it and focusing on building the body is a much better approach. But the good news is you can definitely get back to that place where you have adequate amount of calories. You feel good, energetic and strong and it just takes a little bit of time. I really hope he takes the advice and gets his blood work done because Yeah, that could be a big road worker. A 48-year-old client who was lost over 100 pounds through tons of movement and calorie restriction for an extended period of time. That's a prime recipe for hormones. Absolutely, so there's a very good chance that he could have some lower levels of testosterone, maybe thyroid stuff going on. And if he hasn't had that checked out, that being said, he's seeing some positive things already but he could be seeing even better results than what he's already seeing potentially if his hormone balance is off at all. So hopefully he takes the advice. Tony, you go get that blood work, take advantage of that free form that we have and the brilliant minds that we have in there helping people out and to take their advice because they obviously know a lot more than we do. Our next caller is Dustin out of Toronto, Canada. Dustin, what's up? How can we help you? Hey, all right. So I guess I'll start with just giving a quick background. So I'm about 5'10", 165 pounds. So I've been doing a MAPS aesthetic on and off for the past year and I do a lot of stationary biking and biking about five or six days a week. So over the past year, I'd say I put on about five pounds of relatively, I guess, muscles for the most part. And now going into the next year, excuse me, looking to kind of up it a bit more. I'm trying to put on a bit more weight. So I'm eating about 3,200 calories a day, give or take between that and 3,400. So just looking to kind of step it up next year or moving forward. And I'm kind of at a sticking point for the past couple of months, I'd say. So my weight pretty much stayed relatively around the same. So just wanting to add hopefully about like another 10 pounds of muscle in a year time would be nice, give or take as well. So just kind of looking for some advice in terms of should I change my program, eat more, maybe move less. Just not really sure where to go. Yeah, Dustin. So two things that will probably make a more immediate change. One is as amazing as MAPS aesthetic is. I know it's great. Switch out of that to Annabelle. Yeah, it's time to switch to another program because you've been, you're doing the same thing over and over again. Not only that, but that's actually one of our highest volume programs. And because you're already doing so much biking, you don't need that. And especially if your goal is to pack on some muscle, a lower volume program like MAPS Anabolic and would serve you better in the first place. So not to mention what Sal's saying that you've been doing it for an extended period of time so your body's pretty well adapted. Yeah, because that alone will make a difference. And I think those calories you're eating will get, you know, because if the signal to build muscle isn't there, then you can eat all the calories you want. It's not going to happen. So you need to change the signal a little bit. So MAPS Anabolic would be great. Even MAPS Performance or Split would be good. But I think Anabolic's probably a better switch. And then cut your biking down a little bit. You don't have to eliminate it, but you're doing it five days a week. I'd cut it down to two days a week. Those two things alone with your current calories will probably result in muscle gain. Now, if you want to throw calories on top of that, it'll happen a little faster. But I think that's probably the, those are probably the most, for me, the most obvious changes you can make that will give you the biggest return. I mean, I think, I think you make the decision based off of, I think, what's, all of them are true, what you're saying. Changing the program, increasing calories, or reducing movement. And all of them should result in seeing a movement in the positive direction you're trying to go, which is building muscle. You can, you can do a lot of one of them, or you can do a nice blend of all three, right? So you could actually, you could reduce biking by only one or two days, increase calories, and switch program, and you would see great results. Or you can completely reduce biking and just switch over to Maps Anabolic and see huge results. Or you can significantly increase calories. It would really, my answer to you would have to do a lot, what do you prefer, you know? So if you, if I felt like you were a client and you go, man, Adam, it's hard for me to even get 3,200 calories. Well, then me telling you, hey, let's move up to 4,000 calories is going to be a really tough feat. So then I might go the direction of, okay, well, let's change your program up and reduce your, your, your cardio that you're doing. Well, maybe you go to me like, Adam, I just love biking. I don't, I don't want to give it up at all. It's a passion of mine and I enjoy it, but I still also want to build muscle. Then I say, okay, well, we got to boost those calories up and switch your programming up. So you've got a lot of- I think that's for me. Okay. Like I like the biking, but I also want to, yeah, definitely like add some muscle mass as well. So I know I kind of want to dip into several different things. And I also want to kind of avoid the significant fat gain. So, yeah. Just that new stimulus. I mean, going into a different phase where I, I mean, have you ever done one to three reps? And that was the focus of just pure strength driven exercise, you know, workouts. And that was like your, your entire goal was just to get strong and then rest. No, I've never done like significant rest periods. I think like the most I've done is maybe like 30 seconds, 45 seconds. Oh, wow. Yeah. So that, that new stimulus alone is watch how that impacts you and stay with it. And I think that it's just, it's mentally challenging for people to get out of their comfort zone with that. But, you know, trust in it and really like do it to the tee. Yeah. We'll send you maps in a ball okay, Dustin? All right. Resist and like I want to just pile on to what Justin said because he's right. The hardest part for you is going to be, you know, telling somebody who's only rested 30 seconds to 45 seconds, maybe a minute at most, that I want you to sit and rest for three minutes. It just seemed like an eternity. Yeah. It's going to seem like this is silly. This is wasting my time. So I'm going to, we're going to try and stay ahead of this and in front of it for you and be like, rest those full three minutes. Give yourself adequate rest way more than you ever have and just, and focus on every set you come back to trying to be stronger and stronger under the bar. All right. Cool. All right. Thanks for calling. All right. Yeah. Thanks. Love you guys. You guys are great. Thanks so much for everything. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Dustin. Love you too. I almost did that. I almost said that too. Hey. You know, what's funny about this is that when you actually look at the amount of calories that your body needs when it wants to build another pound of muscle, it's not much. It really isn't. So I know, and especially because he's already eating so much, a lot of times we're like, oh, let's throw more calories. If your body wants to build muscle, oftentimes you don't need to jump your calories that much at all. Or sometimes you don't. You just build that extra muscle. Well, that's why I made that point of like, he could do like a subtle tweak of all of them, right? You could switch to programming, just barely reduce the amount of cardio you're doing. Just barely. Like maybe drop a day or two on that. And maybe add a hundred calories, and that could completely dramatically shift. I like that combo. Right. And it's not really dramatic. He's not. I'm not saying you got to go way off the cycling because he loves doing it. And all you're doing is switching the programming. And I'm not asking you to eat a tremendous amount more, just a hundred more calories. Probably a more successful approach because the abrupt turn a lot of times doesn't stick. Right. Yeah. But that changing that signal, you know, it's in this particular case, I think it's going to make the biggest difference. Like lift differently. When your body wants to build, it tends to build. Our next caller is Caitlin from British Columbia. Caitlin, how's it going? How can we help you? Hi, thank you so much for this opportunity. It's so cool to like be able to ask you guys a question in live time. Before I get to my question, I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for the work that you do and the information that you share. I've been listening to Mind Pump since I started weightlifting two and a half years ago and I have learned so much from you guys. So thank you so much for what you do. Thank you. Rad, thank you. So my question is, I listened to your podcast with Jordan Shallow, the Muscle Science one, and I found that super fascinating. And I really like Shallow's approach. And so I've been thinking about taking his prescript level one course. But I wanted to hear from you guys like your advice on if there's any other online programs that would maybe like cover some of the same principles that Shallow does that, you know, like the biomechanics and the anatomy and the programming and working with injuries that are like would be comparable. And for context, I'm not a certified trainer, but that's something that I'm thinking of maybe pursuing. And Jordan Shallow's course doesn't offer that certification yet. So I wanted to hear from you guys because I know you're always talking about, you know, like the world of fitness industry will tell you this, but like this is what's actually true and what you should actually be doing. So yeah, I wanted to hear from you guys. Yeah, Franco C.P.P.S. Oh, that's a good one, right? All day long. I can't promote it enough, only because there's a lot of certifications out there that are recommended as kind of introductory, like an ASM or, you know, a lot of, you know, ACE and things that will just at least be a national recognized certification. But C.P.P.S., I think of all of the ones that I have sat through and gone through myself, breaks it down on the most applicable level. So it's just, it gives you tools to then actually go and train a client and feel confident in that. Yeah, Caitlin, are you going to be a trainer in a big box gym or online coach? Like what's your goal? No, it'd be online. Okay, okay, so this makes a big difference because if you were going to do, if you wanted to be a trainer in a big box gym, then you're going to have to get a national certification. But since you don't, or you're not going to, you don't. So we can just recommend the ones that we think are the most valuable. For online coaching, NCI, exceptional, exceptional certification for online coaches. They also spend a lot of time teaching you how to build a business, which other certifications don't do at all. And if you're going to be an online coach, you need to learn how to build your business online. Otherwise, you can want to help as many people as you want, but if you can't build a business around it, well, then you're not going to be able to do it. Jordan Shallows Prescript, excellent, excellent certification. Joe DeFranco's CPPS certification, another excellent certification. Those would be the three that I would recommend off the top. I don't think national certification is a great investment. If you don't need the national certification, because I know CPPS and Prescript will cover what you're going to learn from NASM and then some. And then NCI is going to help you with the nutrition coaching component and the building your business component. And if you did like NCI and Prescript or a combination of those, you're going to be in really, really good position to build yourself a nice online coaching business. Well, I think those three are perfect. The order I would do them in, maybe I would go either CPPS first or NCI first. Yeah, depending on your preference. Yeah, I think Shallows to me would be kind of the pinnacle of those three, right? Super comprehensive. Yeah, his is, I mean, if you're more into the nerdy stuff, you're going to love his the most, because I think he goes real deep and that he's absolutely brilliant. And that's why we partnered with him. So I definitely recommend that one for sure. You'll get more practical stuff, I think, from NCI and CPPS. I think those ones will, and probably the most general for training clients would be Joe DeFranco's, the CPPS, but probably the most applicable to like training online clients would be NCI. Yeah, they're going to really teach you how to build your business too. Doug, we have links for NCI and Prescript, right? Places we can send her to. Yeah, so for Prescript, it's minepumpl1.com. You can go over there and sign up for NCI. We do have our weekly coaching that we're doing, so that's under minepumpnci.com. Okay. I believe we actually have a link for CPPS as well. I'll look for that. Okay, yeah, so those would be the best ones. And then here's what else I think is going to, let me ask you this real quick. Before I do what I'm about to do, I want to make sure I make the right decision here, Caitlin, what made you want to be a trainer or a coach? Well, I have some people that I'm like unofficially helping right now because I have a home gym. And they, there's things that come up that I feel like not equipped to help them with. And I really want to be able to help them in like a safe way to get stronger and not have injuries that are keeping them from doing things in life. So that's the biggest reason why. Okay. And what has fitness done for you? Like obviously you work out and you found a passion for it. Like why do you want to make this as a career from that standpoint? Because I've really seen its importance and the value and how it's really allowed me to do things in life way better. And like without injuries or back pain, that's really common and it's helped my like my mind and it's helped in like a lot of areas. And then there's a lot of spiritual lessons too in it, I find that I can learn. And so, and then when I see other people that are maybe hindered because they've got injuries or because they're not fit. And I just want to be able to help them be able to not be hindered like that. Okay. Well, you know, our favorite people in the world are coaches and trainers. So I mean, we've made, that's not a secret. We know the kind of work that you do and the impact that you make on people's lives far more impactful than what we do on the show. We reach a lot of people, but we're not making the impact that good coaches are. And so anytime I get the opportunity, I want to equip a potential trainer or coach with as much information and good stuff as possible to really help you do a good job. So here's what I'm going to do. Okay. Because we also have things that can help you out. And we have really good workout programs. We've, we've got a lot of experience you can learn from our workout programs. So here's what I'm going to give you, Caitlyn, if you promise to pursue this as a career and really do a good job as a coach or trainer. I'm going to send you our Maps Anabolic, Maps Performance, Maps Aesthetic Bundle. That's the RGB bundle. Those three cornerstone routines will show you some good general workout programming. And then I'm also going to send you the Prime Bundle because Maps Prime and Maps Prime Pro are probably the two most valuable programs that we have for trainers and coaches. They're going to teach you applicable correctional exercise, which is going to bring tremendous value to your potential clients. So we're going to send all of that over to you. But I want you to pay it forward. I want you to pursue this and do a damn good job. Okay. I want you to go change some lives. Okay. Wow. Thank you so much. No problem, Caitlyn. Thanks for calling. Okay. Bye. Bye. I love hearing that. I know I just gave away a bunch of stuff. It's almost Christmas. I love it because, and she's young, she's 21. And look, here's the truth. The truth is, it's a hard job. I don't mean a hard job. It's hard to help people. That's hard too. It's hard to make a career. It's not an easy job to make. It's hard to get started, for sure. It's just, you know. Yeah, but here's the deal though. Show me somebody who has all those programs, listens to this show, has those three certifications. Oh, they're odds of success. I'll show you a fucking damn good trainer. You show me someone who has all those certifications, listens to our show consistently, has our programs as blueprints. And you got to be, you got to be pretty bad, actually not to be successful. I mean, those are, I think, some of the best certifications out there. You're listening to us on the show to help you apply it to your clients and learn from all the mistakes we made in two decades. And then you actually have blueprints on how to create programs right in front of you. And she doesn't sound like she's quiet and shy. She sounds like she's got enough personality to talk to someone she could be very successful. Well, what I love about it, it's all complimentary. Even those other certifications we mentioned, each one of them fills a need. And if you really, if she does her due diligence and does, in fact, sign up for those certifications, she's going to set herself way above the rest. Yeah. I mean, think back to when we all first started. I mean, what a difference would it have made had you had those resources, had you had the podcasts, like, you know, like we have for these trainers and coaches, and had you had these programs available, like, I mean, I was full of piss and vinegar and you couldn't, you couldn't stop me with a gun. I wasn't going to do it anyway, but it took me a long time to get good. Like I sucked for a long time because I didn't have access to these types of resources. So I mean, that's a, that's quite a bit of an investment to do all of those, right? But I'll tell you right now, that investment right there, I would take a trainer with those three certifications, those programs, that experience listening to us with that all day over a PhD in our field. That's how, that's how powerful that, so if you're listening and you're a potential coach or you're just getting into the space, maybe. And it's way cheaper than a PhD. Oh, yeah, wait. I mean, you're talking about the total investment for, if you, all of our programs, plus those three certifications, you're still under five grand, you know. And it's a write-off anyway, when you build your business you can write all off. Yeah, and you don't need to do it all in one shot. You chip away at it, right? So, but you, if you can accumulate all that over the next year or two or so, watch out. I guarantee the success that you'll have as a trainer is far greater than somebody who just went through, you know, six years of schooling in our field. That, the applicable knowledge that you'll get from all that. That's the key right there. Yes. Absolutely. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost all of your fitness goals. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So, Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump Salon. Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.