 Hello, my name is Sean Quinn. Welcome to the first edition of our exciting new podcast hitting the fairways in association with Highland Radio. I'm delighted to be joined today by Bill McCallion, captain of Dunfanny Golf Club and Pius McFadden, captain of Bunkrana Golf Club. Gentlemen, thank you very much for taking the time to join with me today to talk all things golf. You're very welcome. Thank you very much, Sean. And I have to say you're both looking very well and looking forward to going on the golf course, I would say very shortly. Very much so. What I want to do is this go back a bit because we know that on the 26th golf will be permitted again. But I want to go back into 2020 and the struggles that all clubs have had with COVID. So as captains of your respective clubs, what has been the main challenges that COVID closures you're faced? And I'll go to you, Bill, first with that one. Yeah, thanks, Sean. I think keeping players interested in golf has probably been the biggest challenge. The first lockdown was relatively short and at Dunfanny, we reached out to a lot of golfers who had never set foot in the course before, particularly sportsmen and women who couldn't get access to GAA or soccer or rugby. And like many clubs, I think we did quite well. We took in a lot of new members and the ones that we took in really got into it then whenever the course reopened again. So if you take a step back and look retrospectively at 2020 bizarrely enough, Dunfanny did quite well. But I think this last lockdown is a different kettle of fish altogether. I mean, I think the golfing fraternity, you know, to use a standard expression, the golfing fraternity is just completely scunnered now. And keeping members interested in golf, I think has been a real challenge. And that's why this podcast is such a great initiative from you guys, the Masters on at the minute, etc. So I'm really hoping and I'm sure Pius is the same, I'm really hoping that that will energize a lot of men and women, you know, to dust their clubs down again and really look forward to getting back out in the 26th. Yes, it's a point well made. And I suppose Pius, did you find the same thing that you had a lot of new golfers coming to the club? And if so, where did they come from? Yeah, we had a lot that came to the club. Most of the money came from the shopper fraternity, the GA fraternity, which the contact sports were dealt on, were taken part. So majority of the 50 and 60 new members took up golf. And then we had the main chance for golf clubs. I could see was the loss of revenue from green fees and society and come, you know, while they're still paying maintenance costs. They added pressure of four months a year where membership renew and all then taken up people didn't know what was happening when golf would recommence. And that's very slow and getting people back out of the golf. Yeah, it's an interesting point because where you brought new golfers in last year, and I as being a golfer and being on the fairways, I saw a lot of new golfers, you know, and you knew some by the swings, but you also knew by some of the scores that were coming because they were incredibly athletic and got better and better. But you have a challenge this year, Bill, because as golf reopens, it's going to reopen with other sports. So as a club in Dunfany, what are you going to do to reattract these golfers? Well, as you know, Sean, we did a special beginners rate last year and this was in primarily at both men and women. Young men primarily, not so much ladies took us up on the offer, but we have an introductory rate of 250 euros for beginners who'd never played before. And we kept that on this year. In fact, we didn't change any of our subscription rates for 2021. And I'm really pleased that many of the beginners from last year have rejoined. And I think if we can get beginners hooked for two consecutive years, then, you know, they'll stick with it. Because obviously the fair, and I'm sure Pius is the same in Bun Krana, you know, you get beginners in, they play for a few months, then their own sport kicks off again, literally, and then they leave golf again. But I'm hopeful that we'll be able to keep the majority of the new members that we got last year. That's great to hear. And it's great to see that a club has made the provisions for all that. And it's very, very, very good value for golf, I have to say. Pius, would it be fair to say that Bun Krana Golf Club have the same setup? And have you anything else extra to keep these golfers? Well, like all our clubs, like we have the large influx of members and the main focus on the club is to retain these members and try and attract more members. Our club offers very attractive, reduced rate to beginners, full member, male, paying 260. An associate member, that is 190. Unlike other clubs, this is all inclusive of GUI and insurance fees. And when you consider the price of a full member male, it is 340 euros, inclusive of GUI and insurance, you know. That's just a big good to keep these fellas on and ladies. And yeah, the same as both. Well, that's fair to say that is extremely good value for golfers. And what I'm finding and Bun Krana have in common is it's their links courses. They're played 12 years, 12 months of the year. And that's a huge benefit to any golfers out there. So financially, in a good position, it's fair to say. I suppose like every business you've had to cut the cloth and you had to look at what can we reduce costs on. Bill, would it be fair also to say then as you reopen, you will have challenges, but you're in good footing to start up golf again. Yeah, I think so. I spoke to our greenkeeper just this morning there. And unfortunately, as you know, it passed wouldn't know, but I'm stuck in Belfast. I'm a traveling captain and it's been really frustrating to try and conduct the orchestra from 120 miles away. Sean, as you know, my wife Paula, she's a very keen golfer. She's a lady captain. So between the two of us, we've been trying to steer the ship, which hasn't been easy. But our greenkeeper has done a phenomenal job and he's been sending me photographic evidence of all the stuff that he's been doing. So I've no doubt that our course will be absolutely tip top. But you know, Sean, there's nothing like a cold pint of beer after a bad round of golf. One of the big restrictions that we'll all face is not being able to do that. And who knows when that will open and then you're into a whole different challenge about trying to organise outside bar, outside catering. So that's round the corner for us as well. What's that thing you said there about a bad round of golf? I don't know that one. Listen, Quinn, I've played the odd game of golf with you. You know all about it. I was. What was that place? I was watching you when you came. So that's great. I suppose we're ready as clubs were and we need to be ready. But what about actually the golf? So tell me a little bit about Dunfan. Tell the listeners, Bill, what Dunfan has to offer the golfer as a golf course? Yeah. Well, Dunfanahee, for those listeners who have never played it, it is probably it's certainly the most scenic golf course I have ever played. And I know that that's one of the strap lines that Paul McGinley, the writer captain has used to describe Dunfanahee over the years. The scenery is just quite spectacular. And it's a relatively short links course. So you can play 18 holes and I'm in my sixties now, you know, but you can play 18 holes and not come off feeling absolutely knackered. And that maybe is not the same as some of the really tougher challenges like Balli Liffner or Russa Pena. But when the wind blows, Sean, as you know, the wind blows at Dunfanahee, it will tame even the best golfers around. So scenery absolutely spectacular right on the beach and certainly a golfing challenge that will make the best. Yeah. And it's a par 68 has a car 5 and it's also got five par 3s on it. And you're right, the weather is everything there when it's a different beast, when the weather blows. So in your perspective, what would you say is the hardest par 3 out of the five Bill? Well, there are two crackers that the seventh, which is the most scenic tee box in Ireland, I think is a long, long par 3 and most days into revealing when it's a driver. But I think the most difficult par 3, it probably in Donegal is the 17th into prevailing wind. It's every bit as challenging a hole as Calamity at Port Rush, about 200 yards off the back sticks, all out of bounds in the beach, down the right, thick, rough up to the green, maybe a bailout that is protected by a deep pot bunker and absolutely crucially a green that slopes away from you to the out of bounds. So anybody who powers the 17th hole at Dunfanahee is doing very, very well. It's a real card wrecker. As I well know, having stood on the 17th score, going well thinking, what's the speed is going to be this evening, ball out of bounds, game over and know all about us. It is a phenomenal hole. And I suppose the only thing I would look at there is the index. We probably could do something with the index on that. But tell me more about the competitions that are run within Dunfanahee, Bill. Yeah, so weekend competitions, like most clubs, the main gents club competitions run on a Sunday. On a Saturday, we have a very strong ladies section at Dunfanahee, something that we're very proud of, Sean. And the main ladies competition day is on Saturday and it coincides with a men's open competition. And then during the week, ladies have their competition on the Tuesday, gents open on a Wednesday. So there's plenty of opportunity for visitors to come to Dunfanahee and in open competitions. And then one Monday in the month, we have a seniors open, which is incredibly good value. And the only thing that limits the seniors on a Monday is the day light. It's such a popular competition to play in. So plenty of opportunity for members and visitors to come and experience the course. Yeah, I have to agree with the senior on a Monday is a very busy competition. So as a visitor, how much would it cost me for an open competition, Bill? I think the open competition is about 20 euros. It might be 15, I think, to the local clubs on a Wednesday. I think certainly our neighbours in Klokaneeli have a reduced rate because they're good neighbours down the road. I think 20 euros is the fee in a Wednesday and on a Saturday 25. Fantastic value. Absolutely superb. Pius, tell me more about Bunkrana Golf Club. So what's as a golfer keen to probably in this this year's staycation travel around and play a few courses. So what is the Bunkrana Golf Club have to offer? Bunkrana Golf Club, well, everybody has a community golf club. The golfers that go to the local community and surround the area the key is possible rates. We need those of the club to promote the game of golf. Not just to the elite, the course. It's a nine hole course played twice. The Bunkrana Golf Club has been in existence at least since 1890. It was formerly known as Bunkrana Municipal Golf Club, but the committees in the process at the minute and going into the history. The golf was played there in the early 1800s, which would make the club the oldest nine hole links golf in Ireland. There are approximately 260 members, 165 males, 40 ladies, 30 student members in about 25 juveniles. Pius, can I just ask you a question there? You mentioned that it's a nine hole course and haven't played it last year. I know it's right beside the sea as well and the scenery is fantastic. Do you have challenges with the fact that it's a busy day, a nine hole course? How do you deal with that? Once we have a time source, we let a certain few out, and then we have a gap in the time sheet where once they come around, they're able to get out and away, and then you're able to bring new ones in again then. So you stall the times over. So it's fair to say it doesn't restrict you then on bringing maximum numbers in a day to the course? No, no, it wouldn't restrict us. And what would be the, is the front nine harder than the back nine? I remember a par five being a lot longer on the second nine, I remember that. But actually the longest par five in the way, the planting way, the fourth team is 600 yards. So that's right up along the water. That'd be a drive in a nine iron for Bill then, would it? On that good day, on that good day. And since it's opens, you do opens as well. And societies, you welcome them, be fair to say. What would you charge for a visitor to come along for a game of golf in the day? An open competition would normally around 10 Euro for an open competition. Our competitions are mainly Saturday and Sunday. We run some competition we run during the week. But now with the COVID not just getting back to open, we'll have to run some competitions during the week when we're allowed to do so at the minute. I don't think we're going to be allowed to run competitions. And it'll probably be only two balls that will be allowed on the course. Yeah, that looks to be the direction from the moment at the moment. If we get to in May towards mid-May, we may have a chance. But I think at this stage, golfers will just be so glad to get on the fairways, whether it's a two ball and competitions will come. Bill, I want to move on to Dumfany. They've made national press recently in recognition of a group of very talented young golfers. Tell me more about this. Well, I think the first thing to say, Sean, is the captain. All the credit for how well these guys have done. And that for those of you who don't know me, that is tongue so firmly in cheek. We have an incredible group of young guys in the past, actually, the dominant junior golfers, it has to be said, were young women. Paula Grant, who's had the world stage recently. And two of the chambers girls, for example. So our young girls in the past have done incredibly well. But the ones who've hit the headlines of late are four young fellas whose talent is just unbelievable. Young fella Luke Kelly, he's now 17. He's the Ireland under 17 champion last year. And he's now got a scholarship to go to Michigan on a golf scholarship to the US. And Darcy Hogg, I think Darcy's off plus one now. He's the Irish under 16 champion. And honest to God, Sean, if he nine stones, so gone wet after a big Christmas dinner, you know, that's about the height of it. And, you know, when he hits a drive, his ball is still rising when it passes mine. So incredible. And then young James T. Sweeney, as opposed to James Sweeney, our older member, James T. He's never off the practice ground. You know, there's a lesson for me and you, Sean, if you want to get better at the practice ground, these boys have it well worn, I'll tell you. But great credit to our golf club for sure. Yeah, it's very exciting. And I'm lucky that I've actually seen these young guys in action. And young James T. Sweeney, he does put in the work. He's there every single day. And it's always the short game. It's the chip in the pot and he just works and works and works. And you know what? Whatever comes out of that and what they get, they will absolutely deserve. And it's great. Great to get, I suppose, a bit of a press from a club that juveniles are so important to the future. And I applaud everybody involved there. Pius, what about Bunkrana? Have you up and coming stars there? Yeah, we've got one juvenile called Tieren and Bradley. He's only 10. And he's been making a big all over. He's been to America. He's been down the country plenty. There's one more competition. And if he continues his development, we could have another young superstar in our hands. We actually have a lad down with us, Oliver Doherty, who is actually a special Olympic gold medalist as well. At the present moment of time in the club, Oliver plays off three. That's fantastic. I have to say now, I must read more on that young guy because we may even have a chat with him one day on the show. So the future's looking bright, which is great. And it is the future. The club is all about members and numbers and youth. And so I applaud what's happening at both clubs. So I want to move forward just a little bit known as Bill said that the Masters is on and we're all getting excited about getting back to play. Pius, what are you looking forward to most about getting back on the fairways? Getting back on the fairways to me and looking forward to meeting all the people here and all the great fairways. Two great four balls on a Sunday morning. My own four ball and friends and friends of mine who goes out behind us and the banter and the crack. It's fantastic. I'm not really looking forward. I'm looking forward to seeing all the people at the club. And the work we've done at our club at the Olympic is that we're doing drainage. We've got a lot of down there. And the second day of the club, Francine and Rory and the treasurer, Gary McGarland, I have to compliment them two fellas with the work they have done during the while. Well, Gary hasn't been about so much, but I can't thank them two fellas. You know, we're doing Dorco. It's fantastic. So there'll be no excuses when you hit the first drive 25 yards Pius. The only thing is up the first number you come back again. There's two new bunkers. We added two new because we're watching where you were able to put your ball. I don't believe in bunkers. Don't believe in them. I'm going to put the same kind of question to yourself that you're as a captain. Sometimes it's seen that you don't have time to play golf. Would that be the case for yourself? Are you a competitive goal for how often do you play a week? Yeah, well, I think the first comment is a really interesting one because I think what a lot of members don't appreciate, and I'm sure Pius will be in the same position. There is such a lot of stuff that still has to be done, you know, in the background and you will know too, Sean, the amount of effort that committee has put in that is just not seen. So, you know, just like Pius, I mean, I applaud anybody enthusiasm to step up and do this work, you know, because it's voluntary work. You know, we don't have to do it and we do it for the love of the game. And the other thing, I mean, Pius just took the words right out of my mouth. What I'm looking forward to is the crack. You know, I play not with the same guys every week, but, you know, the banter starts when you walk onto the first tee. And for me, that's what amateur golf is all about. And whether you're six over or 26 over at the end of the round, to me that I play competitive golf, Sean, you know, I like to win my five euros just like anyone else at the end of the game. But, you know, at the end of the day, it was the banter and it's going in for a cold pint afterwards. That's what amateur golf to me is all about. And I'm really looking forward to it now. You're a bit of a player. You're playing off, well, you were playing off six the last time you looked. What's the best score you've had around on Fanny? Well, I've been around level par a couple of times. It's never broken par. So this year, Sean, you just, you keep an eye out, boy. I'll have you cut before you can do that. I'm taking lessons, Sean. I'm taking lessons. And I was going to say, my coach, there's a fella called Peter Martin in Belgium. That's Michael Maywell. He's a fantastic guy. So he said, you have to give me a plug. He is an absolutely first-rate guy. He's played in our program a few times. So it's like going back to school. Sean, you know, I was put on the silly seat earlier on this morning because I keep going over the top. Now, I know that won't mean anything to you, Quinn. That's not a good shot. All right, that's not a good shot. I'm fortunate enough. I've Michael McGeady, who's coming on very shortly, who's been helping my game over the years. There's another thing I've got here, Bill. You actually joined a lookout of Club Black in 2020. Now, Pius, now, it wasn't the pensioners' club, OK? It was actually there. It was the whole-in-one club. So tell me more about that. Well, I did. So the toughest three in Dunn-Fanagy, the 17th, we mentioned, and I got a whole-in-one at the 17th. So middle to five iron, and I didn't even see it drop, Sean, such as the contour of the green. But luckily enough, there were four guys walking off the 18th fairway. And I knew it was going to be close, but when I heard their whooping and cheering, I knew that I had aced my five iron at the 17th. And if you keep me on long enough, Pius, I'll tell you about the 15 that I had at the 17th the year before. Oh! But we're not talking about that, Sean. I actually wish I'd asked you about that one instead of the whole-in-one. However, I believe, Pius, you're in that club as well. It already tells me. Somebody told you this? Yeah, I heard that you did. Did you have a whole-in-one last year? I had a whole-in-one last year at the 18th, and I didn't see it. Well, I didn't see it, because when I hit the shot, the pitching wedge, I turned around, having the batter with one of my pals, and seen nothing. Unbelievable. The people at the clubhouse were roaring and cheering. I was wondering what they were cheering about. Never had a whole-in-one until that. That's my very first whole-in-one. I was delighted. Haven't been there yet. It didn't cost me a bad shot. The bar was closed. The pubs were closed. That'll be my lucky note. Eventually, if I ever do it, it'll be on a captain's day, and it'll cost me an absolute fortune. That'll just be mine. What was that, Bill? And you're a Scotsman. I know, every penny will be counted, trust me. Talking about just people laughing and cheering, and golf, you both alluded to it. It's the crack that you have. It's the enjoyment. Yeah, the result is good, but it's all about the crack and camaraderie. Bill, you're bound to have a wee funny story for me, have you? Well, before COVID, so it must have been over a year ago now, I was playing the second with a group of guys that I regularly play with, and as I said earlier on, the crack with these guys is mighty. Second at Dunfanah, he's a par three, so knocked it onto the green, took my putter out, and walked off the green, couldn't see my bag and the trolley anywhere, Sean, and looked around. This is really, really bizarre. Walked over to the stream, found the green, and there were the two wheels upside down, and I just bought a new set of clubs about a month before that, so the whole bloody bag, oops, we're live on video, my whole blooming bag, new clubs, the whole shit match upside down with the wheels spinning round, and obviously the bag at this stage, Sean, was completely filled with water, so my very good friend, the fella called Cairn McTaggart, just got the trousers off, he's now down to the boxer shorts, shoes and socks off, so he's now, and this is honest to goodness, he's now waist deep in the stream at the second, retrieving my brand new golf clubs, Soak and Wet, so that cost me a couple of pounds of power for that day. That's good friends for you. I don't know if I had to take my trousers off and got your new clubs there, I'm not sure I'd gone that far for you. No, you never know. Why is it, are we funny to tell me? How am I, but I was only saying, you probably would have shot at that, I mean money in these bags. Yeah, there were five in there and might have gone in there. That's true. Well, one of my cases, it didn't happen out in the course exactly. As I talked about the two four balls, we have all messers and there are two lads in particular, one from my group and one from the other group and they're steady messing stuff and shoes and stuff like this, but anyway one of the lads was going to America for two weeks holidays and my comrade, he decides that he would get into his locker and got his golf bag out and empty the bin and the golf bag. So I remember the lads away for two weeks so when he got back we were out in the course and he was complaining about the smell of the seers, everything what really smell was coming out of his bag and he dumped everything from the bin and the lads got back but it was all taking a good heart, it was all taking a good heart but I'm sure there's reprisals to come for this So that's what I can look forward to when I pay me ten euros and come and play in an open competition in Bunkrana That's the type of characters we have over here That's fantastic great story We're going to be joined now as well by Michael McGeady who's going to come in Michael's a teaching and playing professional at a Evolve golf coaching Michael you're very welcome Thanks very much guys for having me Hi Michael I brought Michael in for a couple of reasons I returned to golf to let people understand it's not a case to jump out the car and go and hit a golf ball but I also wanted to be a referee because I'm going to test the captains in a quick fire question here So I hope you're ready now you're not you haven't been expecting this so here we go I'm on the first tee and I hit my first ball out of bounds which could happen to quite a lot of people when they go back to golf I reload and I hit the ball down the fairway but it lands in the bunker so I'm not too happy My next shot goes straight on into the hazard I take a clean and drop and I chip it to three feet but I missed the pot How many shots have I taken? Nine What do you have Michael? Oh was I included in this as well? Yeah I go for nine You go for nine? I actually have eight I actually wasn't really paying that much attention That wasn't good Sorry I think you are just going to try and go one higher than Bill there Pius were you? That's not cool yeah The answer is eight I took eight You may have counted one, two extra within there You just got to be careful Even the captain can get things wrong Michael can I come to you as a teaching professional in evolve golf coaching People are going to come back to golf You may not have had a golf ball in a number of months it would be fair to say What would your advice be to them to start as opposed to get the swing starting going Can they do things in the back garden What's your advice? Yeah Well like most people I'm sure a lot of people have been sitting at home and not getting the same physical exercise as they would have been used to getting So I suppose Obviously getting out for walks is great Getting out for walks and getting a little bit of general exercise but when it comes to the physical movement like hitting the golf shot there's a lot of things that happen correctly and in the right sequence as we all know because golf is a very difficult game So I suppose getting back on the golf some of the most important things I would say that would be first and foremost would be trying to sync up that hand-eye coordination again and like you said Sean starting chipping a few golf balls really just starting off slowly just trying to feel the rhythm of that golf swing and trying to tighten the shot so you're getting that good hand-eye coordination and then as we move up under the fuller golf swing then like I certainly have experienced this myself after coming back the first after the first lockdown was my range of movement flexibility had completely just gone completely not that I have a fantastic range of movement but whatever I did have it was really compromised with not hitting a lot of golf shots just because we purely couldn't hit the shots and we couldn't get out of the golf course so yeah for people starting back my plan again started slow in the shambles here now in the masters I'm thinking you're going to stand up in the first tee and completely annihilate the golf shot you'll probably do more harm than good so started slowly get the body warmed up correctly do some exercises to try and feel like you're warming up the important muscles which would be the back, the shoulders, the wrists, the arms and from that then just try and get out there and enjoy the game I know with some of the boys that I play with now they're out the car, grab the bag on the first tee and some of them don't even have a golf ball they may have to borrow a golf ball so give us as a professional golfer Michael give us just a rundown of what do you do before you go and play that's a great observation there because I have a lot of plans that come to me they come out of the golf out of the car straight onto the first tee and they have a nightmare in the first few rolls until their bodies sort of at least warmed up a little bit now not all the plans but a good majority of them would do that so when it comes to playing tournament golf I like to get to the tee or not to the tee so I do the golf course roughly about an hour before I'm playing now that hour will involve getting the golf bag ready getting my shoes on going hunting a few putts few chips, few longer shots and then just finishing off by just getting the tee maybe five minutes before I do play now the average club golfer might have that hour to spare going to the golf course because they're already out in the golf course for sometimes anything from four hours to six hours so it's just an extra hour to grab it onto their day but there's things that they can be doing before they do play like those stretches I was talking about just a ten minutes before their tee time just to try and get there and give themselves a bit of a general warm up before they go and play it's great advice Michael I have to say I remember a number of years ago I sat before I wanted to play I sat in those massage chairs I actually sat on one of them as a Scotsman I put a Euro in it broke my heart but it was amazing that I actually went on the first tee and my whole body was just it felt relaxed and I played a phenomenal round of golf from that day I'm not saying I'll always do it but because sometimes I'm that man that grabs the clubs and jumps onto the first tee but I do try to get there a half an hour earlier to have a little bit of a stretch and it does make a difference especially on the first tee because golf is all about what's in the head isn't it it's not always about what's in the swing yeah the head is a big part of golf and certainly the better your golf swing gets the more repetitive it is I think that's when the head really becomes more you know you start to use your head an awful lot more in the game then as a teaching pro and somebody comes along do you actually help them with that can you help them with that with the the head side of the mental side of it yeah well I wouldn't be a qualified mindset colleges but I work with an awful lot of mindset colleges sports psychology and I I'm a bit of a storyteller I like telling stories from previous experiences and I can certainly relate to players in the situation that they're in and then from that from that point of view then I'll tell them what I've done and how it helped me and certainly like I've had good feedback from it like you know so but I wouldn't say that I'm a qualified psychologist by any means but I can certainly relate to players like I've had every shot that you can imagine from the perfect tee shot then the muddle to the shank chip shot that everybody dressed to the duff shot into the bumper and it's overcoming those fears and overcoming them thoughts and replacing them with positive thoughts I think key yeah I couldn't agree more and I have to say now I've played with quite a few sports psychologists who are not really that well qualified but I do try and help you out when they're on the course and it's sometimes it can come you're loud because you know exactly what I mean by that as tell me a little bit more about Evolve coaching then where are you based? We're based at Leverkinny driving range we teach out of there and also we do a little bit of on course teaching as well at Northwest Golf Club but generally out of Northwest and like we've got a Facebook page there if anybody's looking they sort of contact us book lessons and stuff like that hopefully we'll be getting back to Shumkin in Normality now from the 26th of April so looking forward to getting back to Shumkin in Normality and getting back playing a wee bit myself as well I think the play inside of it is for me it's sorely missed as well because I enjoy competing I enjoy getting out there and playing in the Pro Am circuit I just love competing while I can still play relatively decent golf and I think that's to be fair to say that is the part we're all looking forward to is being able just to get the clubs out get on the first tee hit the ball and have a bit of crack again and the competitive part will come again I think we're all just so looking forward to getting the first stage and that little bit of freedom because I don't know about you guys but I don't think I can paint any more walls I don't really want to cut any more grass I don't want to be out jumping in the car half past seven, eight o'clock on a Saturday morning and a Sunday if I get away with it and hitting the beautiful fairways that we have in Donegal Bill I hope and Pius did you pick up any tips there? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah when you get to our limbering up is very important I completely agree Mike Tell Peter I said hello You can give me straightened up too Mike, I'm cat-handed That could take a few shows now in fairness Pius that might take a wee bit longer This is only a pilot so A few people coming on holding the golf club cat-handed left hand below right leg so it's quite it's quite common like a hurling back ring maybe is it? Sorry? Is it a hurling back ring? No, no, no Normally you get a lot of hurlers coming on holding it right in the wrong way or left below right Never played a hurling me like Played it myself when I was younger like a Nazi I used to hold it and then my dad got me to switch my grip around very very sharp so then it helped me it helped me get better at golf anyway Well, I think I'm past the point to ask you pensioner I actually recommend Pius that if you change your hands single figures on the way A lot of hope There's probably more hope if we're having another podcast I'd say then you've been a single handicapper Gentlemen I'm going to bring it to a close now and I want to thank you that this is something that we look forward to moving within Highland Radio Michael has agreed that he'll come on on a regular basis with me as well It's great to have the first guests so for that Bill Bill McCallion of Dumfany Golf Club Thank you Pius McFadden of O'Connor Golf Club I thank you and from me Sean Quinn Thank you for all who will eventually come in and listen keep safe and more importantly keep the ball in play Thank you very much Thank you guys