 I'm Doug Pavel and this is my wife Carol back here and this is Lynn Leverich who's from Hill City She's also another small acreage sir or Rockerville. I'm sorry. What did I say? Hill City. It's in the same part of the From Rockerville. She's also another small acreage host farm. The whole intent of this place when we bought it in 2001 is obviously to pay for itself. We wanted it to be self-sustaining and when you start talking about self-sustaining it's not organic though I mean and there's a lot of people that seem to make that connection and that's not necessarily true of course and we all know that but we wanted the farm to be sustainable. In western South Dakota depending upon where you're at and Dan can attest to this and Roger can certainly attest to this wherever he's at it goes anywhere from 10 acres per cow calf pair to 20 to you go some parts out there is 40 acres. Because we're on the northern hills here we get the northern hills effect we get a little bit more moisture but we're still not far off of that probably 5 to 10 acres per cow calf pair so there's no way that we were going to run enough cattle on here to make it profitable and make it sustainable. We moved up from down by rapid we did 400 acres of hay in what is now Somerset, South Dakota we lived down there before it was developed and so we had a whole list of horse customers that bought hay we've been in the hay business for 20 too many years and we're still in it yet but we were losing our land on there was all on shares and so we bought this property to get away somewhat away from development but to keep the horse hay market going and keep our customers and we bought this in 2001 and a month later the ranch that borders us on two sides sold and we have 90 houses sitting over the hill here now but we can't see them so and they're good neighbors so that's the thing about they're all potential their potential small acreages is what they are in fact our first seminar we had a couple of the neighbors come over asked a lot of questions about trees and lawn and not necessarily egg but it was all part of the big picture and so the thing that we added for livestock because whenever we do horse hay you're going to get rained on we're going to have cow hay Carol has worked for five years to get me talked into goats and for four years I went not only know but you know and but then I really began to realize that there's some potential there and so we started the boar goats, meat goats and when it had been in 2010 I think it was I went to a small acreage seminar that South Dakota extension that put on down in Rapid and Mindy was there as well as another extension agent at the time by the name of Penny Nester and they were talking about different things with small acreages and that there was a grant opportunity coming up to be a anyone that was interested to be a host farm and so Carol and I immediately talked about it and we applied and we were one of three sites that were selected at that time it would have been 2011 and because our part of it was 2011, 12 and 13 and actually it was extended as you guys probably know into 2014 and Lynn was one of them and then the folks up by Eagle Butte was the third one