 Hi, this is George cow and I'm here with Michael stone one of the members of my master heart group coaching program It's great to have him here. He's gonna be sharing with us some wonderful deep wise lessons from his journey of Developing a business Michael great to have you here. It's great to be here George. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, thanks for being here So let me read your bio to everybody first and give people some context for what work you do And then we'll go into some of the sharing and learnings you can you can share with us I've got my cat here in case anybody's wondering. I'm always a little distracted sometimes. He's like trying to bite my cords Okay, so let me let me read your bio here So Michael stone is a shamanic practitioner teacher mentor Journalist and the host and producer of the shift networks shaman shamanism global summit and KVMR Conversations KVMR is I guess a radio show that you do he interviews leading edge thinkers authors and Activists in the areas of environmental restoration social justice and spiritual fulfillment Michael spent most of his vocational life as a corporate organizational development consultant communication specialists and leadership trainer and now you're bringing some of the work that you've been doing with Shamanic, you know wisdom into into the corporate world as well. So we could talk about that later full circle. Yeah, full circle Yeah, no, that's good. So one of the lessons you learned, you know in our conversation earlier was About fear. So maybe maybe you can start there. What I think that's something many of us entrepreneurs experience you know, I think it is and It's a major issue right now with the Change environmental social justice economic You know, there's so much uncertainty and we have a desire to try to get it right get it perfect and That loses the opportunity to really meet fear as an ally Because when we try to get rid of fear or we try to suppress fear if you're really present you realize in the moment Fear is your ally. It is it is frozen power and the more we try to suppress it the stronger it gets So there's not You know people and that that's the same with anger or any emotion that rather than resisting it Which causes its persistence? We embrace it and open to it and so fear Whatever you're afraid of is really your soul's calling wanting to emerge These are the things that your soul is saying hey work on this stuff confront this Walk into the fear and open your field of awareness to a greater perspective and so You know, that's that's a huge issue for people we we look at things from a Deterministic view that there's a cause and effect, but quantum physics is really Breaking up our worldview, even though it's been around a hundred years. It's just starting to impact that and it It teaches us some pretty important rules. One of them is that we're not separate there is no such thing as separation in the entire universe and At the heart of our suffering is this belief in separation most of my career has been in organizational settings and My evocation working with the mystical world and and and studying physics, but this idea that I am in this body I have a Reality-centric to a self called form reality and that means I'm an object in a world of objects of the old Newtonian Cartesian paradigm well, all that has changed and There is clearly no separation So when we go from this form consciousness into actually being embodied And and into the cellular nature We realize that we've got 70 trillion cells each one has over a hundred trillion atoms Each atom has a proton and neutron and an electrical field Which is producing light and heat out to the edges of the universe We are not in any way separate and so much of my career has been to work with Interrupting that belief because our our beliefs Shape our perception and our perception shapes our reality so that brings us to a place of really questioning our beliefs and to do that we need to be present and You know, we are so fragmented and frazzled with the computer a world of social media the constant bombardment of information and most people have a hard time being still and Stillness is really also one of the lessons that we need to learn. We need to remove ourselves from the constant activity still the mind and get embodied and begin to recognize that not only is Unseparable in separable, but we can never have certainty In a subjective world. We think it's an objective world. There's no such thing as certainty, but Looking for certainty causes us huge anxiety So a big part of the work I do is about embracing uncertainty to find the lessons within and when we do that We go into one of the third principles of physics and that's potentiality We unlock the wave collapse where we made a story up about something that happened in the past and when we Actually recognize that it isn't the thing from the past like, you know, our mother did this or our father or some Somebody did this to me that incident you already survived that but you're still living in a story from the past that protects you That's why it's so important just to come around full circle to embrace your fear and honor your fear as a great teacher a soul teacher Long answer for a short Fantastic. It's there's a lot there that but that I'd like to unpack. What I mean Certainty is One of those things that entrepreneurs year and for Businesses Basically, I mean, this is how the economy works, right? You you need to keep growing at a steady pace and that presumes certainty and So let's let's talk about this a little bit I mean particularly when it comes to and what I call building an authentic business, which by definition is Not formulaic But it is an expression a spontaneous expression oftentimes of what is real for ourselves in the moment So certainty if you want to really look George at certainty it's not possible and Anything that you're certain about can only come from experiences from the past So what you lose by trying to find certainty constantly try to get it, right? Find certainty first of all you create enormous anxiety and stress for yourself but secondly you miss the opportunity to discover what you don't know that you don't know and Open into the field of potentiality the observer effect Heisenberg's observer effect You know says that when you look at a wave it it turns into a particle Well, that's when you make up a story about something it turns into a particle You're you're imprisoned by the beliefs that you have and that's way more important Than genetics because right now epigenetics is completely Debunking the whole theory of genetics and we and we realize that our beliefs actually change our genetics and and it's very much proven that that happened so we By going into these news areas and and seeing the beliefs that are shaping our reality We get to see the stories that are shaping the belief When we deconstruct them we realize that they're just stories from events that happened long ago And then we can reauthor our own life and and reauthoring you rewrite your life And then there's two major things you have to embody that and live that and create practices consistent with the new story But one of the things that most people don't get at is the community field the community field is We've trained all the people around us to respond to us Based on the things that have come out of our mouth our story and so people know us to be you know Michaels this way George is this way and then when you start to change number one people don't want you to change because they know you a certain way and it threatens their own Reality and the facade that they live in the story of themselves the self-centric reality It starts to break that down So it's a threat to them because people especially an organization say I won't call you on your you know What if you don't call me on mine? It's a conspiracy that Is in our world? It's not just the corporate world. It's everywhere in our friends and so You really need to watch the field because it's like when a drug addict goes 90 days clean and sober and comes back He goes to see his friends. She goes to see her friends with 24 to 48 hours They're using again because they've gotten themselves back into the field of conversations, you know And one of the things that people Think in this embodied in this form consciousness is that my brain lives inside this box how it ever got relegated to that is a story of the last 300 years but More and more research is sowing that there's a field of consciousness And the most important thing we can do is begin to tap into the field which taps us into the unlimited potentiality that's fantastic and Tapping into that field is partly what shamanism has been about right So so make that connection for us I mean you're you're you have had so many conversations of various shamanic teachers You do you teach it yourself. You do your journeys. How does that connect to the modern science of quantum? It's totally connects to it I mean the mystics have been saying forever and shamanism for a hundred thousand years that we're all connected But it's become a bumper sticker. You know, we're all one well That's true, but that's not how we're living and we're looking at the world from a skin encapsulated ego That's based on our past experiences. So so Shamanism has been saying that everything is connected and everything affects everything else and that's what physics is saying embracing uncertainty has been the magic of shamanism in that we look at and In an animistic way and of thing in other words everything has a soul everything is alive Then we recognize that we're part of a living changing Massive organism called the universe and we're inseparable from that so very much what physics is saying and and doing in terms of potentiality if our word is Our power in which I which I that's a whole deep long conversation we'll get into it, but When we name things in quantum physics, they call it a wave collapse when you Look at a wave and it becomes a particle, but it's the same thing In shamanism they call it soul loss It's exactly the same thing. So they're very much aligned a very much connected and when you break up those Beliefs you begin to see that there's inseparability that there's uncertainty in this potentiality and then there's coherence and coherence is a key thing Both in shamanism and in the world of physics because it says You need to be in a line with the larger systems of which you were apart Shamans get their power from what the mountains the apples the water the waterfalls the land they don't think You know, they're particularly powerful. They get their power from the largest Larger systems in which they are apart. So we're going from a system that's that's Objects in a world of objects to one that's all connected and all of these things are being proven every day by Coherence just being coherent with ourself and listening to our inner voice is coherence Doing things in the world that that recognize our inseparability Gives us power and most people think that power is force or control or manipulation or guns or money or whatever But really power is the ability to be present and to be conscious of Consciousness and how it affects us and how it affects the field that we're in and the people that we meet and the people that meet us We're always being affected by them So Getting out of the remembered past and the imagined future and getting ourselves Right in the middle where we have a stimulus and the old story wants to come up But we have a gap with a choice point where we can choose a new story Brilliant so you are Creating a course right now called the quantum power course Yeah, tell us about that because you've been giving us some of these concepts that are surrounding this idea of quantum power Yeah, well like I mentioned in the beginning people right now. I've never in my 73 years of being on the planet seen so much Fear and so much People feeling powerless with the magnitude and complexity of the changes that are happening in the world and We are not going to fix those things that are broken in the world with more stuff that comes from here That is not gonna happen. What's predictable is that we continue to you know, it's Einstein's if we continue to Do things from the way that they were originally discovered they will not be any better That's a terrible paraphrasing, but you get the idea so the opportunity to to Really see where we give up way power and by the way, I have a power Assessment tool that I've created and I would love to share that with people. Can I tell them how to get that please? Yeah, yeah, you just write to support at well of light dot com That's well Oh, F light.com. I also have my consulting Website which it's it's also available and you can Go there and request and it's a power assessment tool for people What's your consulting website? Do you want to give us the link? Yes quantum consulting group Dot org Yeah, and I will be sure to link that in the notes of the video for those who are looking for it Thanks George. Thank you. Yeah, so I'm doing this course with another woman who's an amazing belief change person she's worked a lot with Bruce Lipton and Sandra Wallin also does equine therapy working with leaders to understand Their nature through being with horses and it's a really brilliant thing. I've done it with PTSD people also and it's amazing so that starts on Let's see what date October 2nd and then it's three Wednesdays at from noon to 1 30 and there'll be a lot of very practical hands-on work So this is a this is an opening for Possibility for anyone who's feeling powerless in any way and we give our power away to the experts we give our power away to You know our identity we give our power away to our fear There's one of the things you'll see when you take the questionnaire the assessment tool Is all the areas where we have power loss because they're all embedded in the questions Yeah, beautiful. That's great and the the work that you're doing with with companies Tell us what kind of company would benefit most from this kind of work and well, I've worked with everyone from the European Union the EPA to Boeing Microsoft Prudential You know, I've I've worked with all different mostly large-scale Organizations in Europe and North America mmm, and What kind of work are you bringing now to to these kinds of companies that we were talking about this quantum power? But what what what shift? Can be expected or yeah, yeah, yeah That's a great question. So one of the things that that When people get to this place of presence and I teach presence power and performance courses for leadership When they get to that place they renew their creativity their flexibility their ability to focus and Their ability to be with people in an intimate way Intimate and authentic and I know intimate is usually not used in the corporate world But I'm really talking about a level of connection that builds trust that creates Integrated teams. So that's that's the kind of work that I do in the corporate world You know my company that I started in oh my gosh I guess either late 70s or early 80s when I actually started mastery of management international our our motto was bringing heart and meaning into the workplace and That hasn't really changed but it kind of sounds a little new AG but it's really about connecting people and the ability to have a Successful organization or business is directly proportionate to our ability to relate with and inspire Others through very much like what you do George you you talk about authentic marketing and and People know the difference between the you know jack them up glaze them over and tell them they can't live without this there's a way we give up our power and people who were really there in service to each other and I love organizations because there's such a breeding ground of consciousness and And they also want results and I think that's a really important thing You know all of these concepts are fine But the reason shamanism has lasted a hundred thousand years is it produces results So they've gone through burning of the state genocide, you know Colonialism and there's still Shamanism is stronger than it's ever been in the world right now and it's because it produces results That's wonderful great great background for us So Michael, thank you for being on this on this interview and is there anything else you want to share parting words of wisdom as we Complete I just want to share, you know, you are such a shining example of Operating with integrity with authenticity And I know you're a tireless work. You put out so much work for so many people and I just want to thank you For that George because you're back there just cranking it out with people and and always available It's it's truly amazing the work that you do and You know for for somebody who wants a reel with a capital r coach talk to George cow Thank you, Michael. I really appreciate that Well, I have the links in the notes of the video so those of you who want to connect with Michael and The quantum power course or anything that you're and the also the quantum power assessment Be sure to check out the links below and connect with Michael there So thank you Michael for the work that you're doing I know that you're about to go on a vision quest And right after this power course, we're gonna head to the healer wilderness for 10 days of vision quest and then You know just I think and I think it's really important Just the last word is that we take care of ourselves, you know I can I can really easily with the excitement around my work Not take care of myself and we really need time for stillness and that's what mariela and I are Are going to do is take time to be still and see what wants to emerge In this world that's that's here now Oh, I look forward to hearing how it goes So thank you, Michael and I'm sure we'll connect again soon I hope so. Thank you, george