 Alison's been practicing ladies and gentlemen, but go easy on her anyway. Now the pressure's on, right? Yeah. All right, Stanley's in place, right there, and we're ready to go. You ready to go? Am I recording? Are we doing this? Here we go. Let's do it. Episode two of the pre-roll. Tim Moreau seeks out information on the tech news thieves by meeting a dark man in an even darker alley. Watch Tim's back. Support the daily tech news show at bit.ly-slash-help-d-t-n-s. Next time on Ace Detective, find out what the shady informant has in store. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, October 6th, 2014, on Tom Merritt joining me right now is Alison Sheridan, host of Nosillicast, Podfeet on Twitter, and just general woman about the internet. How you doing, Alison? I am doing fantastic. It's finally a tiny bit cooler here than the last three times. Yeah, there are people complaining about it being rainy in other parts of the world. I heard it snowed in Chicago earlier this week. Edward Snowden? We're going to talk about the big split in a few minutes, HP deciding to go through mitosis and divide itself in half, but let's get to the headlines first. Here's the headline on that. HP announced today it will split itself into two companies by the end of October of next year, that's the end of its fiscal year, 2015. Hewlett-Packard Enterprises will keep the bulk of the company with enterprise-level IT offerings, things like cloud storage, big data, servers, Meg Whitman, the current HP CEO, will be CEO of that company. The other company will be called HP Inc. It will get the personal systems and printing business, which means all the desktops and laptops and those lucrative printer ink sales, and have current executive vice president of that division, Deion Weisler, as its CEO. Meg Whitman will also serve as chairman of the board for HP Inc.'s board of directors. Separate from the split, Arstechnica reports HP said its current round of layoffs will total 55,000 people. Well, we'll get more into that later. In other news, Facebook officially owns WhatsApp. TechCrunch reports that the deal closed for $4.5 billion and $177.7 million shares of Facebook stock, plus $45.9 million in restricted stock for WhatsApp employees. WhatsApp founder Jan Kuhn will join Facebook's board and receive a salary of $1 plus almost 25 million units of Facebook stock. You know, when you get to like 24 plus million units of Facebook stock, you don't need more than a buck. And that's what Zuckerberg does too. He only takes a buck of salary. Well, yeah. Didn't Steve Jobs start that? He was the first dollar a year guy. I don't know. He's the tech guy that I remember doing it, but I know others, like I think Iacocca may have done that back in the 80s or something. He didn't invent $1. Just made $1 cooler than everybody else. I bet somebody did it before Iacocca, probably some Roosevelt or something, Vanderbilt. GigaOM reports Redbox Instant will shut down tomorrow, October 7th. The streaming video service jointly operated by Verizon and Redbox hasn't been able to sign up new users in three months. Streaming on refunds will be emailed and posted on the Redbox Instant website October 10th. I wonder if you get to keep any videos you have when they shut down. Yes. I think Redbox downloads will remain. I think I remember reading that the Redbox downloads will remain around. It's just the instant streaming service that's going to be. Oh, oh, oh, I got you. I got you. ZDNet reports GT Advanced, the company that sells Sapphire to Apple, has filed for bankruptcy. Now I think this is that restructuring kind of bankruptcy, not the going out of business kind of bankruptcy. The company suffered a massive drop in share price after the latest iPhone did not use their material in its display glass. Apple still uses Sapphire in its rear camera lens and Touch ID fingerprint sensors, and the forthcoming Apple Watch will use Sapphire in its display. Yeah. So there'll be more Sapphire sales, but do you think that they were like banking on Apple using it as the screen for the iPhone 6? I guess. Like literally banking on it. Well, the way there were stories written, it was like, oh my gosh, our stock went down. Okay, we better file for bankruptcy. There's got to be other stuff going on if that's kind of an effect, not a cause, I would think. That story is a little weird. Reuters reports Samsung is going to avoid or hope to avoid those sorts of scenarios by spending $14.7 billion on a new chip facility in Pyeongtec, 75 kilometers south of Seoul, if you don't understand my pronunciation. It's Samsung's biggest investment yet in a single plant. Samsung is the world's top memory chip maker. A lot of people forget that. Chipmaking is the only steady profit generator in the company. Profits from Samsung's semiconductor division are expected to actually surpass profits from the handset division for the first time in more than three years. Wow. The only steady profit generator. Yeah, in other words, it's the handset division. Skyrocket had passed it for a while, but now it's falling back to earth. The semiconductors have just been, like, plugging away, yeah. Time now for some news from you. These are things submitted in our subreddit. We hope you're enjoying the subreddit. It's at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We know a lot of people do. We've been seeing great things posted in there. It helps inform how we put the lineup together every day. Let's us know what at least a big chunk of our audience thinks is important in the tech world. It supplements what I get from my own feeds and Google News and TechMeme and all these other sources. So get in there and let your voice be part of that as well. You can vote stories up. You can vote stories down. You can submit links like Motang did. He passed along at Times of India report that Skype will stop delivering calls on landlines and mobile phones in India starting November 10th. Now Skype calls outside of India will still be connected. So if you're in India, on Skype, calling a number outside of India, that'll still work. If you're outside India, like me, you'll be able to use Skype to call a number inside India. So if I want to call somebody in India, I can still put in a phone number and call them from the United States, for instance, or anywhere else outside India. Skype did not give a reason for the change, but India has a law preventing internet-based phone calls originating from India. So companies like Skype usually reroute the calls internationally to circumvent the law. Apparently something about that isn't working here. Yeah. So if I'm in India on Skype, I can't call a landliner mobile phone number from Skype. So they have no voice over IP then? Well, they probably do, but it's probably a way to protect the telecoms from competition from Skype. And Skype's been doing this trick that a lot of companies do, like Viber, for instance, that reroute the calls. But apparently something happened where that's not OK anymore. Whenever I think about incoming calls to India, I got to remember when my Skype account got hacked, because I'd forgotten to change the password. And it was the same password I'd used on my Gawker Media account that got hacked. And I went to the gym and came back, and I had made $200 in calls to India. I had forgotten that my PayPal account was attached to my. Well, now see, this wouldn't change that, actually, because you're outside. No, it's so good. That can still happen. Yay. My passwords are better now. Good. Let's see. Some character named Espy Sheridan submitted to the subreddit. The cult of MacStory that T-Mobile CEO John Ledger responded to questions about bent iPhone 6s while speaking at Geekwire Summit 2014. In his usual sweary manner, Ledger called Bengate horse manure, and we might be paraphrasing there, and said, anybody who bends an iPhone is an idiot. Not paraphrasing. Going 12 straight rewards in a row without cursing, though, Ledger said, the demand for these devices in the last few weeks is unbelievable. He didn't say non-effing believable, surprisingly enough, and that almost is kind of disappointing. Yeah, it almost sounds like it's not as strong. Which I, Ledger, when he doesn't curse, you're like, oh, I don't know if he means it anymore. I think he does well-placed cursing, though. I find him just vastly entertaining. The video and the link in the show notes is just fantastic. We watched the whole thing. We watched the iPhone part twice, because it was so funny. He's impossible to quote if you're certain media outlets, though. He drives people nuts, I know. Sunbun sent us the Verge report with the latest info on Microsoft's ongoing attempt to turn your entire living room or den or basement, wherever you have your Xbox, into an interactive gaming invite. Yes, this is a Luma room that we heard about at CES. It's back, and it has a new name and new capabilities, now called Room Alive. The latest concept demo uses video projectors to map the room and the connect sensor to track your movement, allowing you to interact with the games on the walls of your living room, or any room, actually. Right now, the system is a little too expensive to live out in the wild, but Microsoft really believes it will get cheaper soon. So hang in there. Someday, you'll be playing a game and banging your shin against the coffee table because you're playing Halo, not just the connect balloon game. That sounds really fun, but that does sound really expensive. How many connects and how many video cameras you'd need? Well, I think, yeah. I mean, you gotta bring it down to where it just works in one connect in your room. But the Luma room thing that they showed up at CES was impressive. So I like that they're keeping this alive and they're making progress. It reminds me a little, certainly not as dramatic and certainly not as well received as the Oculus, where they're saying, look, we're continuing to work on this and we think it's cool and we're making advancements. And that's what Oculus has been doing. I think people are a lot more excited about Oculus than they are about a Luma room, but it's still pretty cool. Yeah, maybe you don't look like a dork with that on your head at least. That's true. For the fashion conscious, this may be a better opportunity. Might be Kennedy put it, sent in an article that I think is really, really cool. The US Navy is building swarm boats. These are automated small patrol ships that help protect larger naval vessels while they can resupply and port to prevent incidents like the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Evidently, while they're resupplying, that's a very dangerous, dangerous time. Wired Magazine describes the technology as autopilot on steroids, allowing a human operator to control the small craft with a laptop. A swarm boat could also be used to deploy Navy SEALs on a beach and then go back to sea and await instructions. Now these autopilot, what they're talking about there is that the person with the laptop, all they're doing is saying, this is a friendly ship, you need to protect it. That one over there, that's a bad ship, go attack it. The swarm boats actually figure out how to execute on that command. So they're actually driving themselves around saying, oh, I'm gonna go eat that one and protect this one. It's like a Zerg rush. You just like select, you select your swarm boats and you click over there and you're like, that's what you're after. Go, go. We really need to build up our StarCraft player base. And thankfully Korea is our ally, so maybe we can draw from them. That's very cool. SP Sheridan, you're right, he seems to show up a lot on shows that you co-host. That guy. And Captain Kipper submitted stories about Facebook's hidden friend to friend payment system coming to light. Cult of Mac's Stanford student, Andrew Auld found code in Facebook's Messenger app referring to the kinds of it you need to handle in a payment system like credit card info and expiration dates, et cetera. Looks like from the code, you'd need to add a credit card and a pin to Messenger to make it work if and when a payment system were to go live in Facebook Messenger. Yeah, I'm gonna do Facebook payments right after I let them handle my medical information. Yeah, which they wanna do that to. You know, a lot of people do have payment information stored with Facebook already because they've bought like Facebook stuff. Facebook has those little virtual gift items and there's other things that they've sold before. So they have a base from which to do this. And I think a lot more people will do it than you might expect, especially if it's like, hey, wanna send money to your friends. That was PayPal's original proposition and they still use that to bring people in. Send money to your friends and family. If you're the kind of person today who's been using Facebook as the internet, right? And there's a lot of those people. I could see them saying, oh, you mean I could send money to my mom this way? Great, I'm totally gonna do that. You get the feeling there's only two to 3% of us who actually are terrified of this kind of stuff and the rest of the world's going, okay, that sounds fun. You know what, I think, yeah. I think there's probably two or 3% of us who are actually concerned. I wouldn't even say terrified, but like you really need to be careful and do this right. And then there's like 15% who act terrified, but actually will still do it. They just, yeah, exactly. I'm probably in that camp. Oh no, I don't think so. That's a look at the headlines. All right, let's talk about HP. Hewlett Packard Enterprise, which HP and the press release says will define the next generation of technology, infrastructure, software, and services for the new style of IT. Now that's full of marketing speak, but it's backed up by OpenStack Helion, their cloud operation, big data, Rackmount servers, HP Financial will be part of this company. This is very solid stuff. They may not be as strong as some of your Cisco's and IBM's out there, but they're right there in that camp. This is the part of HP that's doing very well. Now, Allison, compare it to the way they describe HP Inc, which again, personal systems, your desktops, your laptops, and printers. HP Inc will provide leading personal systems and printing company delivering innovations that will empower people to create, interact, and inspire like never before. And they mention 3D printing and quote new computing experiences as what this company will do. So, first of all, HP Inc is not HP INK, right? That's- No, although that is where it will get all of its money. That is not how it's spelled. And that is a way to kind of remember things. What's bothering me here is there's services business, we're saying it's doing well, but the margins are not doing that well in that. The HP services revenue is down. Their operating margins are down from 6.9% to 2.9%. It's actually their printer and PC business that's doing pretty well. Yeah, but the Hewlett, I'll let you finish here, but remember the Hewlett Packard Enterprise business has growth potential and the printer business doesn't. Carry on. Yeah, yeah, but we can't say that they're doing well on the services side, which I find fascinating because most of these big companies that do services, I mean companies like Oracle and IBM and even Microsoft, we complain about, oh, they're being stupid over here with Windows 8 and everything, but they're over here making giant piles of money on their services business. So how are they not making giant piles of money on their services business? I'd like to understand that. I think, I would characterize it as, yes, they're not making the giant piles of money maybe that the others are making, but they see the potential to be able to do that. And the margins are much worse on the desktop and laptop side of things. Where they make all their money in HP ink is ink, like you said, right? Where they can make their money in Hewlett Packard Enterprise is all of this stuff. It can be open stack helium, it can be servers, although the server's margins are lower. It can be big data. What Meg Whitman is identifying here in my opinion is this is the part of the business that's healthy. We still are turning HP around. It's not well yet. It's not over the sickness, but it's got the best prognosis. The part that can drag us down is declining printer sales, because don't forget, people are printing less and less. I think printer ink sales were down 15% last year. So that's a declining business. If you've got two businesses that, when you split them up, basically making equivalent amounts of revenue, and one's got a huge upside in the future if you do it right, and the other's got a huge downside no matter what you do. I'm sticking with the one that has the huge upside. And that's what Meg Whitman is doing as CEO while hedging her bets and saying, I'm still gonna be chairman of the board of the other one. I'm gonna be involved in both of these. If well managed, that's a correct statement. But their printer and PC business is sitting at 18.2% operating margins, where on their enterprise business, what are they at? They're around 14%. Oh, wait, no, no, no. Sorry. Oh, I lost the number. Something 6.9 to 2.9% was their drop. So they're not even going in the right direction on that yet. So they're saying it's healthy, but I would have liked to have seen that to maybe be going in the upward direction. Well, and that is the right question to ask, which is can you actually turn this boat around? And I think what Meg Whitman is asking investors, and investors seem to be responding positively to believe is we are turning the boat around. Like, yes, there's a drop, but it's not as bad of a drop. And we all know that the ocean is bigger over here. Asia Inc, on the other hand. Yeah, it's got great numbers. It's revenue looks amazing because you can make so much money off of selling ink in printers. Well, just ink, not the printers. But that's a rating. That's a lake in California. That thing's drying up. And we need to strategy. Well, it's an apt analogy if a terrifying one for us out here. But we need to split that off before it brings the other one down is essentially how I see this. Now, a lot of people are criticizing, the big criticism I've seen for HP or Hewlett Packard Enterprise, is that by splitting up, they lose a scale advantage that is estimated to cost them around a billion dollars. Not just being able to buy bulk chips. Right now, they can make huge chip orders for both sides of this business that get them a discount. But in other efficiencies of having everything together, Whitman told Recode, we will have a supply chain arrangement that will allow us to negotiate with them as one company when it makes sense to do that and to negotiate as two companies when that makes sense. That's interesting. In other words, she's saying, we're gonna still collude. I should not use collude. That is a legally loaded word. We're still gonna team up and buy chips together for a cheap. How long is that gonna last though? HP Inc looks like it's being dusted off for sale. Well, Recode also talked about that this is gonna be the season for mergers and acquisitions. So right before, or maybe it was a parallel article, they also talked about the fact that it's pretty clear that they're setting up the PC business to be picked up by Lenovo or Dell. And that now that they've split, they've gotten rid of the future boat anchor, which will be the PCN printer business, that they're likely to maybe re-engage with EMC for the merger that never happened there before. So all of a sudden, everything you said about having these things, we'll still be friends and we'll still do the supply chain agreement together, that would not continue to go. The other thing that made me kind of curious, there was a guy named, I'm not sure how to pronounce it, Les Jack, Lay Jack, L-E-S-J-A-K. I think it's Les Jack, but that could be wrong. He said things like, oh, you have great opportunities to lay more people off if you split a company. Well, that's exactly what you say when you put a company together, right? I thought the same thing when I read that. So in other words, any time you change anything, you have great opportunities to lay people off if you really are a good CFO. Yeah, I guess that's probably it. But everything he said, and he also said something really strange about, oh, we're gonna not lose as much money as you would think in the split because one of the companies doesn't have to rebrand because HPN gets to keep the logo. And it was like, that was a big determining factor in how much this was gonna cost was who got the logo. Well, that is a valid thing, which is if we have to rebrand, let's say they split these, because here's the thing, I think a lot of people are missing this or forgetting this or don't know about it in covering this story. They say HP is abandoning what made it HP and splitting it off HP Inc. And maybe dusting it off for sale and moving in a new direction. It's exactly what they did in the 90s when they split off Agilent. Because remember, HP is best known as the maker of a precision audio oscillator if you ask someone from the 1940s because that's how they started. Instrument division, right? They made it measuring tools. And what they did in the 90s was realized, hey, we're making all this money off computers and electronics. Our measurement tools, our measurement tools business is kind of stagnant. Let's spin it off. So they made Agilent. They took everything that wasn't computers and electronics and they put it in Agilent and they spun it off. And that was probably the right decision. History is bore out that Agilent is okay but Agilent stock I think is about the same amount, worth about the same amount or maybe I don't have the terms right but it's equivalent to what it was when they spun it off. It hasn't grown by leaps and bounds, right? It also hasn't failed. And I think that's what... Did that help me back then? Well, yes. It helps spur HP into becoming the HP that it is today which is the maker of computers for everybody. And I think that's what Meg Whitman is trying to do now is to say, this is the part that's stagnant. It may not be dead. It may not be dying. We're gonna need printers for years, right? But this is not a growth area. So let's spin that out into its own area and let it become the new Agilent. We'll even let it call itself HP but we'll be Hewlett Packard. We'll be the trusted name in Enterprise and that's where the growth opportunity is. You know what bothers me also about the Enterprise business is that they're bringing the servers to that side. So if you've got a giant corporation and you've got to decide on who am I gonna buy all of my computers from? And you standardize on HP, you end up with all your server business and all of your desktop business together but now they've got to make two separate decisions, right? So they might say, okay, well I'm gonna do Dell for my PCs and HP for my servers and you've got two negotiations. When they talked about the supply chain agreements, they were talking about the other way around, right? Who needs a leverage to buy parts and stuff to build their equipment? This is the other side of the coin is the companies that do business with HP and I would guess that, and I've no facts and data to support this but that a large portion of their business is enterprise purchases. Not the Joe Blow who walks into Best Buy to buy the cheapest PC they can find. That's not probably where the revenues come in from. Well, I wish I had noted this but essentially Enterprise, there's a segment of their Enterprise services that is equivalent to their ink printer, their inkjet printer sales and that includes the ink and those are their two biggest revenue generators right there. See, there's facts and data. Yeah, and I think what you're hitting on is HP coming to this conclusion and if I wanna read the tea leaves, I look at the fact that Meg Whitman told Recode the decision to split the company up was not made until very recently. I look at the fact that they were trying to buy EMC, they were trying to buy other companies. I think they really did wanna keep this together and Meg Whitman has been saying that for almost a year now, like better together. We've got more efficiency. I think they finally got to the point where they had to make a heart-rending decision that they just could not rationalize keeping these together anymore and even though they wouldn't be able to package up nicely HP computers with the Enterprise sales, that might be enough of a benefit sometimes to say, yeah, you wanna buy Lenovo, you wanna buy Dell, whatever. We'll handle the whole transaction for you, which with HP Financial, which will be part of Hewlett-Pechard Enterprise, they might be able to do. Well, isn't this exactly what Leo, let's see if I can do it. Apothecary. Apothecary. You wanted to do that three years ago, right? And Meg Whitman wanted to sell off, he wanted to sell off personal services and I think the stockholders were like, oh, just sell it off, that's a bad idea. That's your only revenue right now. And I think what's smarter is they're saying, stockholders, guess what, you now have stock in two companies and it's gonna be income tax-free, which is a nice thing for them. That is different. And we tried really hard and you all believe we tried really hard to keep these together. So I think they made a more compelling case. And maybe like she says, if they're healthier now when they sell it, that's a better deal. Yeah, no, I think she absolutely is right about that. But 55,000 people using the jobs, it's more than Google. That's whether this thing gets split or not, right? Yeah, it's more than work at Google. Yeah, no, I know, but Google has 47,000 I think. Something like that. So yeah, they're gonna shed a ton of people before they even consider the split, before the split even happens. And then after the split, they'll be able to shed more people because they'll find that, oh, well we don't need that department anymore, right? You know what's terrifying? It's only 17% of HP. 317,000 people there. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's part of the problem. It could be too big. But yeah, that is a lot of lives impacted. That is, that's rough. By the end of October, 2015, I'm curious who will be swimming around HP Inc. to buy them? There might even be somebody swimming around Hewlett Packard Enterprise to buy them too. But HP Inc. seems like it'd be ripe for someone to wanna pick up. You know, this is a sideways piece of information, but the company I used to work for was a government contractor. And we went through and decided that we had to pick a single vendor to go with. And we had chosen Lenovo. And then within like three days, when we were gonna announce it, it turned out they got bought by China. So not so much for a government contractor. Well, now if Lenovo picks up HP, that pretty much leaves you with who, Dell? You mean you were going to go think pads and then Lenovo bought them because Lenovo's a Chinese company, yeah. Right, right. Well, all the HP, the desktops do. But so who's left, American company, Dell? Well, Lenovo is an American and Chinese company. They have dual headquarters. Yeah, but it's a Chinese-owned corporation. Dell is going to be, you know, if big if, someone from China, like let's say Lenovo picks up HP Inc. It's not impossible. And a government contractor doesn't wanna deal with them. They'd have to go with Dell, I guess. That's it, right? That's all who's left? Well, or there are other companies that are not in China. They're in Europe, they're in India, they're in Israel. And we used to compete compact in HP. Yeah, the problem is, I think the problem is that you don't need those desktops as much anymore. You can go to Samsung and buy Chromebooks and deploy them for a lot of people. Maybe, you know, maybe not for every job, certainly not for every job, but you need desktops in fewer numbers. That's what's causing all of this problem right here. You don't actually need the equipment in the first place. Not in the numbers that you used to, yeah. That's true, that's true. All right, let's take a quick look at the calendar. Tomorrow October 7th, the Kinect goes on sale standalone. So if you bought one of the Xbox One's without the Kinect and you've changed your mind, you can pick one up for $149. Also tomorrow, Microsoft's project Spark, game creation tool for PC and Xbox One, goes on sale in the Americas on October 7th in Asia Pacific on October 9th, and in Europe on October 10th, retail version will sell for $40 US. And the cutting edge IT and electronics comprehensive exhibition, also known as C-TECH, begins tomorrow, also known as today because it's in Tokyo, actually just outside of Tokyo, Japan. Our pick of the day comes from Omnimon in the chat room, fully functional Reddit rendered as a programming language, looks like Python, PHP, and others. Important for developers, allowing Reddit browsing in a more discrete fashion on company time. It's codereddit.com, C-O-D-E-R-E-D-D-I-T dot com. Go take a look at it from a distance. It just looks like you're looking at code. It really does. If you look up close, you can tell that's not code, that's Reddit, which is exactly what you probably want if you're looking for something like this. I love clever people. Did you ever do this, Allison? I guess it would have been weird to see too much code on your machine, I'm guessing. No, not too much. Yeah. It's the feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. Couple of messages before we bow out of here, Mike and Tampa was playing around with his new iPhone 6 Plus and came across a new option called Wi-Fi scanner in the settings for airport utility. After enabling it and opening airport utility, I now have the option to do a Wi-Fi scan even better. The info button on the bottom right goes to a nice summary page, showing all of the access points grouped by frequency and channel. Not sure if it's limited to the six, six plus or all devices or anyone else mentioned it, so I figured I'd pass it on. Ooh. I like that it sorts them by channel. It's interesting to see which devices are broadcasting on multiple channels. There's a couple of channels in my area that I didn't know. I was not aware there was a broadcast on. I gotta go play with that. Yeah. And then I wanted to let you know that 40 thieves who's in the chat room right now has been working on an IRC bot. We use something called show bot when we record the show live to let people suggest the titles that we create for the show. And for the last couple of weeks, he's been working on a bot. He's ironed out most of the bugs. Here's what 40 thieves writes. I'm calling it best of bot. It's designed to help find the best moments of DTNS for an end of the year best of show. It basically listens in the chat room for messages starting with bang B followed by a message. When it sees this, it calculates a timestamp relative to the start of current live video on the YouTube channel. This timestamp is then used to generate an emitted YouTube video that starts at the correct time. Right now it's at bestbot.40thieve.es. He's gonna get a domain name for it. Hopefully this can be used as a quick way to find clips for the best of show. Let me know if you have any feedback or thoughts, but also the code's open source on an MIT license on GitHub if you're interested in that. So thank you, Allie. That's fantastic. Really, really, really love this. And this is going to make things so much easier in making a best of show. I wish we'd had it all year. So I can't wait for 2015 to have it all year. It is in beta. So he did warn people, like, just, you know, be careful. But if you're watching the show live and you see a moment, you're like, ooh, I wanna say that should be saved for the year-end show. You just exclamation point B followed by a message and that tags it. Well, that is so cool. I love how smart people are. That's amazing. Best of bot.40thieve.es. So 40 thieves, but with a dot right before the ES. Well, thank you, Allison Strann. Allison Strann. Allison Strann from Call for Help just got stuck in my head because smart technology person who is a woman, I guess. Those are the three things you share without, and first name Allison. Allison Sheridan, host of NoCillicast at podfeet.com. And of course you can follow her on Twitter at twitter.com slash podfeet. What do you got going on with the casts? I had really good time yesterday. I had Renee Ritchie on my show. And it was so much fun. It comes in about 22 minutes into the show for a segment I call Chit Chat Across the Pond where I just have random people come in who are sometimes across ponds. And we talked about some of the more hidden, cool features in iOS and he seems to know these really obscure details and gets really deep. He says he doesn't actually know what he's talking about but clearly he does and explains some of the stuff about pixels and pixel densities and stuff that I hadn't really gotten my head around. We talked for an hour and I was just enchanted the entire time it was absolutely a blast. So he's from imor.com of course and really, really had a good time with Renee. So check out that show at podfeet.com. Renee's fantastic, smart guy and runs a good site. So very, very definitely check out imor.com and then go to podfeet.com and download the Chit Chat Across the Pond. I chit-chatted across an actual pond with you once. That's right, that's right. We were in front of over by Disney World, not in Disney World. Yeah, never been to Disney World. It's the closest I got was Chit Chat Across the Pond with Alison Sheridan. All right, thank you, boss. Alison Sheridan is one of my bosses as are 4,319 other people. Thanks to all of you for making the show possible. We are indebted to you literally and so we pay that debt off by doing the show every day, Monday through Friday. We hope you get value out of it and we're so glad that so many of you are willing to give some value back. DailyTechNewShow.com slash donate to find the links to our Patreon, to the PayPal button, to the Dogecoin button. I don't know why I laugh every time I say that. It's because it's Dogecoin, it's fun. And Bitcoin and any future ways of supporting the show will throw in there as well. Shirts. Thank you all. What's that? Shirts. Oh yeah, the t-shirts, they are not, there's not a link to the t-shirts on that page. They're in the description of the show though. And don't forget, you can have a voice in what stories we cover at our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. You can email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com or give us a call, 512-59 daily. It's 512-593-2459. And listen to the show live at mobile.alphageekradio.com. Our website is dailytechnewshow.com. We'll be back tomorrow with our DTNS correspondent, Patrick Beja. We'll see you then. Oh, we'll talk to you. I won't see you, as you sneak in. Yay! Good stuff. That was fun. Oh good. We're just as hard every time but I'm less terrified each time. Good. I feel the same way myself. I really do. TinVec says, if Dogecoin doesn't make you chuckle, it's not doing it right. Well said. It's a really fun chat room. Yeah, a chat room is awesome. They're nice and fun. And they make good things. Got that. Yeah. I mean, think about how much was made today. We have TinVec and Subgans making the pre-roll thing. Then we've got Omnimono with the pic. We've got, obviously, we've got the email from Mike and Tampa. I don't know if he's in the chat room but we've got 40 thieves making the bot. Al Khalif has made the show bot. Just amazing. The community is... What do I do if I have not awesome programming job that I want people to volunteer for in the chat room? What do you mean, not awesome? Well, someone just made us this amazing like, hey, let's clip the best of show moments but we have an entire year's worth of shows that we have to go back and look at. Right, so what do we do about the rest of the year? So let this serve as my official notice to the chat room. I'm accepting volunteers. I will put up maybe a doc or a spreadsheet saying who would like to look at which episode and just find me some best of moments because I just thought, like, what if I had to look at them all and I sort of fell over a little bit? She can do anything by stealing notes. You were logging a few at one point. There is a document that Jackie Hearn created like that's a best of, which is probably where they should go. So... Okay, yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's, Sub Guns is right. We should just create an archive and everyone can pick an episode and run through them. Oh, good idea. That's, you know, like if every person who's in chat right now picked an episode, we'd probably have almost, we'd have all but like 30 of them done. So that's my next thing and I've got to get that done by like November. So, more to come, but you have been... Isn't November less than a month away? Yes. How terrifying is that? Next year, we won't have this problem at all. Well, the problem this year is when I started the show January 2nd, I wasn't sure there'd be any best of moments. You know, it could have just sucked all year. Well, yeah, but the moment Molly invited the entire internet to your show, that ensured that there would at least be one best of moment. Just Molly doing it. Yeah. Just Molly doing that ensured that it was worth having. I forgot about that. I did not because it is top of my list. Good. Like six random people showed up in your show. I can't remember. I remember Ashley Eskada being one of them. There was somebody else whose name I recognized and then a few chat room names I recognized. And I felt bad because I'm just like hanging up. See, best of. It's worth it. All right, HP slash two. Oh, right. Hp divided by two is what that means. Yeah, HP divided by two. Yeah, okay. Yeah, didn't get it right away. I like HP Inc. Cause of course it was my joke. Yeah, as a good one. Did you now, did you invent that on the fly? Cause that was impressive. Cause you kept saying HP Inc. Yeah. I'm going to Google it to see who else invented it. Well put. It's actually going to be almost impossible to tell because. Yeah, how are you going to Google HP Inc. No one. I'm fine with it. Even if somebody else did use it. Pay face and face payment are hilarious too. Pay face, just isn't that an it crowd? What was the one in a crowd? Face, face place. It crowd, I mean, IT crowd. You can say it either way. Really? Yeah. It was originally supposed to be it crowd. And then everybody kept calling it IT crowd and its creator said, yeah, that's fine. Call it IT crowd if you want. It's supposed to be like a play on the it, you know, the it girl, the it things. You remember that. And I guess it didn't work. I remember sitting in Ireland when we met Bart for the first time. Well, first and only time sitting in his kitchen with the IT crowd up on the laptop on his kitchen counter watching it. That's how I was introduced to it. Ah, yes. But they had. He splits, think of the printers. I like that too. Oh my God. That's a divorce kids joke. I love that joke. I love that joke. That's definitely good. Sorry, Leo Apatecker. Now I can pronounce it. Now. Yeah, both of us got it right, finally. Leo. Leo. Another good one. Think of another good one. Think of the web OS children. I love the web OS children. That's a deep cut. That's a deep cut. Web OS. That's great. You're wearing a web OS. LG owns web OS now. Oh, Apple drops sapphire and it breaks. Ah. You're right. I don't understand that story at all. And I wrote it. I'm to blame that I didn't dig deeper because it made, what I wanted to say about it was, I think this sounds like Wall Street Crap, which is how I'm sorry. Yeah, but that caused you. But then I thought that wasn't like something Tom should read. But it just sounds like that gut Wall Street reaction with the look. It wasn't in the iPhone 6, bad company. It's like it's gonna be in the watch. Well, I'm still with Allison though, like even if your stock takes a dump, that you don't file bankruptcy. Right. No, no. So something else is going on there. There was more to that story and I felt like irresponsible for not digging deeper, but like I looked at it. It is to your credit that you felt like digging deeper and it would have been cool if you did. But I felt okay with it as it was simply because the tech of it is, hey, the folks who made the sapphire thing are filing for bankruptcy and is it that interesting? And why it becomes a business story of why. Right. I guess that's fair. Well, no, Apple was blamed for dragging down the stock market last week. Right. It was all Apple's fault. Apple always gets blamed for all kinds of things. Business. Well, no, I'm gonna keep my crazy notions to myself. This is a very responsible show. We keep it responsible. Gotcha. Let's see. All right, so. Molly, oh. And it said Molly invented the entire internet. Yes. She did. Check it out. Or an Al Gore. Oh, you know what I'd like to know, Tom? You talked, I think it was in an after show. Friend face. Thank you, Biocow. Oh, okay, yes, go ahead, Els. You talked about the limit that you hit when archive.org was not able to hold it. What was that limit? How could you tell that you'd hit a limit? Because people couldn't download it anymore. At all. It's not like a set limit that they're like, when you go above this amount, I think it's a natural limit that archive expects this much traffic at any given link. And so it builds its network to accommodate that. And when you go past it, you're at risk of too many people trying to access the link at the same time and it gets slowed down. Just wondering how many podcasters are probably well under that limit and don't need to be spending money with the lessons and blueberries. DTNS is the only show that I have ever run into that having to be a real, that becoming an issue. Yeah. Scott Johnson has run into it with a couple of his shows, like The Instance. But yeah, an archive from what I can tell and I've been waiting for someone to disabuse me of this notion. They don't mind. They're like, we want to have all of this information. We're the library of the internet. So yes, please file a copy with us. And if people, you wanna use it and link out to it, that's great. The downside of it is at a certain point, they're not gonna support the reliability of that link over time. So if everybody's trying to use it, and that's what happened to DTNS, everybody's trying to use it at once, they're not gonna send extra resources to make that one available, right? And that's fair. But for most podcasters, interesting. And I also donate to archive.org because I feel like it's the value for value model, right? I'm getting so much out of them, I wanna give them something back. And they are a nonprofit. Yeah. I had Stuart Chiffay on my show a while ago and people were bugging me to have him on again. I could ask him whether they really want you to do that. Yeah, ask him what their attitude is about. I mean, their policy is clear. You're not breaking any terms of service or anything when they do it. But they're like, oh, we didn't really mean that. Yeah, we hooked too many people don't do that. Or is it like, no, it's fine. You'll run into that natural limit eventually anyway. Yeah. Yeah, I've always recommended for a starting podcaster to get a free blog account, Dacity, Feedburner, and archive.org. Because eventually you'll have to, eventually you can upgrade all those tools into something nicer if you want. But that will, you can do a podcast for free. I think most people who start podcasts really wanna play with equipment though. And they're like, well, I need a pile PR 40. If that's why you're doing it, that's different, then that's fine. But I do know people who are like, well, I would do it, but I don't wanna spend all the money. And I'm like, well, that shouldn't be here. Yeah. That shouldn't get in your way. And I still upload DTNS to archive.org. I use their embeddable player. And that's how the org version is created automatically, that Metal Freak puts in a file and yeah. And the video is hosted up there because the video isn't as popular. Yeah, popular. I love watching it. You know, this show just supplanted watching the morning news for us. We used to watch television and now we just carry my iPad around the room and try to get it to connect to Bluetooth. Do you need me to do more weather and celebrity gossip then? Or... Oh God, I've been so... Traffic reports. Before we start watching you, we were watching, I don't know, the Today Show and they've been talking about somebody's baby. One of the newscasters though had a baby. And so they bring the baby on. Oh yeah, they gotta bring the baby on. We gotta meet the baby. We gotta meet the grandparents. But it's been going on for weeks they've been talking about this baby. So I want, but I have to say, I want 1% of the, no, 0.5% of the credit for Savannah Guthrie's rapid rise because he and I covered the Michael Jackson trial together when she was at Core TV. And I sat her down one day on the couch and I said, you are one of the most talented broadcasters I have ever met and you will go very, very far. I can actually see you being kind of in that one show. Thank you very much, Jenny Chirpsison, the director. Yeah, she thanks you every time she's on the air, right? If she's showing her baby. She is also literally one of the nicest people you've ever met. Now you're making me feel bad for not loving your baby. No, well, look, I get the morning news fluffy part of that. But like Savannah is actually, and that is a cutthroat industry of like the morning news is like, oh boy. Yeah, they don't do that much news. Not a lot of news on that show, on the Today Show. CBS has a little bit more hard news on their morning show. My favorite is, I'm a little biased there, but. They consider it news to talk about their other television shows, you know. They'll talk about other shows on their own network. It's a promotional vehicle. It's the one thing tons of people are, and by tons, I mean a respectable number of people are still watching, because they're certainly not watching the evening news. Yeah, but that's not news. It's Jenny's media moment for today. It's not news. Is Erica Hill still doing the news on CBS's morning? It's now, it's Charlie, it's a very interesting combination of Charlie Rose, who doesn't come awake to like the second hour. Gail King, Oprah's best friend. And I forget who is the third, Nora O'Donnell maybe? But Erica still works there, doesn't she? Let's see, let's find out. We are gonna use the power of the Lakernet. Hold on. The Lakernet. Oh, a lovely human being. There are a Today Show co-anchor. Weekend Today Show co-anchor. So she left CBS and now she's. She stopped, that's right. She went to NBC, I forgot about that. And she's a co-host, not a news. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, I've long wanted to make a list of like the nicest people in television. And then I thought, I would just get in trouble. For leaving people off, right? For leaving people off. It wouldn't be that you'd get in trouble for putting people on. It'd be like, why am I not on that list? Well, like as an, literally an example of how to succeed at the absolute highest level and still be a basically good human being. And that is a very small list, but I'm lucky to have met a number of them. Look at me getting all nostalgic. All right, I am publishing and I'm going to immediately be nostalgic for this episode. Ah, remember when we did that episode about HP? That was so sweet. You know, I did put this in my document for the chronology of tech history because I feel like this is one of those events that, you know. Historical thing. Yeah. The day HP split again. Yeah, yeah, again. I tried to get ahold of a friend of mine, but she was an executive at HP until about three years ago. I worked there for 25 years and I thought I could have gotten something fun out of her, but I couldn't catch her in time. Ah, that's too bad. That would have been good. Yeah, it'd be really interesting four days from now when nobody cares anymore. Depends on how juicy it is. Mm-hmm. All right, I think everything is good. Did you pick a title? Yeah, HP splits, think of the printers. Okay, that was good. That is the emotional resident title. Hey, I'm a sucker for a think of the children joke, yeah. Well, the exciting news is I'm going to Costco after this ends for the first time with my own card and for the second time in all of time. How about that? Whose card have you been using? No, I never went, I like went once with a married couple who was like moving in an LA and I drove them there because they didn't have like a big car yet. Gotcha. And I watched them have like a 45 minute debate over what frozen items they should have in their house and I was like, I'm never coming here again. And then it was like a real, like real married people discussion. I think Costco's a really dangerous place though. I got out for under $300 once and it's because I'd been there the day before. I came home with a dragon inflatable boat one time. I don't own a pool. We filled it with water and put the kids in it. It was ridiculous. That's hilarious. All right, I'm going to say goodbye video audience. You are lovely. Don't change a thing. We'll see you next time.