 Okay, we're back. We're live. It's it's a Thursday morning. It's a corona virus a coronaville. Pardon me What's next? Tyler our show is is is trumped back to his own tricks his old tricks on COVID and it sounds like he is But you know what what what is interesting and you were talking about this before the show Tim? That's Tim up a cellar and Stephanie Dalton So you were talking about the book that you're reading The mary trump book which may explain some of these machinations Um, and I you know, I guess it's worth talking about some of the bizarre things in the context of that book What does that book tell us about bizarre things on on behalf of our president? Well, Jay, I wish I could go into detail, but I just came from amazon as of this morning So I will read you the first paragraph on the back of the uh the cover And I think it does explain a lot of things why this mishandling of the COVID-19 has been gone horribly wrong and has resulted in Already 151,000 american deaths. So here's what she wrote about donald trump Today, donald is as much as he was as three years old incapable of growing learning Evolving unable to regulate his emotions moderate his responses or take in and synthesize information Yeah, he's he's uh, he's learned under his father the lead of cheating life cheating is the highest value and uh, you know, I've heard her many times on on on the national media talking about her book and I I have it also And I find it very easy to read and find it very valuable And it does explain some of the bizarreities, but let's talk about the bizarreities So last week he he read something maybe at the beginning of this week He read something of a teleprompter and it sounded pretty rational But since that time, he's uh, he's declined. He's back to his old tricks making ridiculous things statements and doing ridiculous things Can you talk about some of the madness here, stephanie? well, I know that uh, he's uh, he was Parented very badly and uh, the mother was very very ill at the time of his early early life like four three Before he settled into as tam read about but he was not getting that kind of And the dad was just a loser at it It I mean he was the 50s dad 40s 50s dad So he did what those dads did just not paying any attention And then the man himself was devoid of some of the the Nurturent kinds of uh temperaments and and personalities and just spent no time with him Well, how does that translate into what he's doing now? I mean, he's he's doing distraction. He's lying. He's doing these stupid grandstand things in the rose garden He's not addressing it. He's he's completely ineffectual in developing a plan either on the covet or on the economy I mean these things are all bizarre And and you wonder, you know, if it is his little mind there You know, which of course he passed a test about the elephant. So he must be okay Uh In his little mind whether he's got some some reason whether there's a method behind the madness I mean arguably he'd like to see the chaos Hey, you know chaos is better for dictators He'd like to see a real mess by election time both in covet and and the economy where he can where he can I don't know somehow make capital out of that But what is what are the crazy things he's been doing lately? Well, everything he's been doing all along and that he's learned since he was very small and watching the other children But he cannot abide any Assault on his being um, he cannot take any of uh criticism or feedback or direction He is only moving around in the you know from sweet leaf to sweet leaf And once one is no longer sweet, he moves on or he deflects it or ignores it So he he doesn't have that that foundation Of self-confidence that gives him a margin to to use to absorb These kinds of things that happen to all of us and then he watches the other kids get beaten up or get rejected And he just will ignore that and have no empathy for it either. So he's missing. I think what um Is being shown what he's enacted The very thing she talks about in the book and she talks about the developmental sequence towards that And what now he's doing is the same thing. He's just like the same kid One pile of mess over here until he starts getting that then he moves over to the next pile Then the next pile then he makes the next mess So by the time anybody can intervene the the point of intervention is now eight messes behind The current one there's a master of the news cycle yet He's just a man as you say of doing that that kind of stuff So no adults have been able to help and then everybody's enabling him because they don't know whatever There's nothing else to do So that was the surprise of the sys of the niece saying why why is he continuously enabled? So that's what's heard her what she hasn't figured it seems to be a crack in the wall tim Yeah, I just to tag on with Stephanie is if you really look at his last three and a half years her last In that one paragraph. She says he's incapable of taking in and synthesizing information So look at the coven reports and and and the coven data the deaths and the cases Around the world and the united states within each state He's unable and incapable of being able to process that and then develop a policy that counteracts it Look at the the executive presidential briefings. He doesn't read them. He can't take it in And so what results from that? Well just recently The the fact that russia is paying a bounty on the deaths of u.s. Soldiers That was in his prep greasy And he he can't take it in he can't he can't process it So here's a classic example of what she's referring to in this book yeah But looking at the the metrics here where you you said at the beginning it's a hundred and fifty one thousand deaths in this country And I hold him responsible for those deaths He was there at death number one a case number one and he really hasn't done anything He's been always going the wrong direction always making these huge lies huge mistakes In dealing with it and I've been meaning to ask you guys this question for a long time Can you please count for me? 150,000 just start now Do the math how long that would take You know there if there are 3,600 seconds in an hour Or in our case for half an hour there are 1,800 seconds It would take you How many shows? How many how many how many shows it would take you 75 shows? Or more to read the names Of all the people who have died here. It's extraordinary. There's three times as many people that died in vietnam I saw something in the paper Because it addresses this very thing is The the american public has been desensitized to the number and so to put it into layman's terms How many airliners filled with passengers would go down? Each and every day to equal 151,000 and then once that number was obtained Maybe america the united states the red states would understand and grasp The gravity of of this whole situation and treat it a little bit more seriously Well seven nine eleven count of names read reading out names has been cancelled So you know how long it takes to read out three thousand right there? So that would take months to go through the reading out of all the names of people who have been lost So yes, unnecessarily And yet, you know, there are people in this country including many public officials who are in his administration Who oppose wearing masks that's been politicized And it is still politicized or something, you know even worse. Let me add that there was a peace last week About about anti-vaxxers And 20 of the country according to this poll by I think was the guardian Would are anti-vaxx and they would oppose taking the vaccine You realize how deadly that is if you have a pandemic they would refuse to take the vaccine And that would that would really not achieve immunity. I mean community immunity That would stand in the way. I mean these people really ought to be I'm sorry, but locked up I mean, if this is a public emergency, I don't know why This administration is not taking, you know The steps that are strong every single country in in in asia has better numbers than we are Some of them fractionalized vietnam has never had a death Singapore I think 34 maybe that's all Maybe less Japan just just a handful And china after all the tumult there at the beginning with all the lockdown everything They they didn't have a lot of deaths Korea the same thing So, I mean we are so far behind in so many huge multiples of the deaths that any country in in asia And most of the countries in europe too We don't know how to flatten the curve. We never did flatten the curve. I remember how How amazed I was when he got up there and said we're gonna reopen now And then think of all the ways he has pushed that and is still pushing that And and I think this goes back to mary trump's book. He doesn't have a handle on things He doesn't know how to deal with this at all And and the results are obvious So, um, okay So, um, is there a plan and to what extent is the plan does the plan come from him? And to what extent is the plan being implemented or is it not a plan as it not is it not being implemented? Do we have 50 plans maybe Or 50 plus all the cities, you know, there are a lot of jurisdictions lower than a state jurisdiction So, I mean, how are we doing? Can you comment on that tim? I think we have a political plan to a non political virus and I think that's been the case since day one And I believe that um, donald trump only had one thing on his mind And jay, you and I did that interview back in early march. Um, I was in seattle And uh, you were you were here and there was um Just outside of seattle. I had eight covet cases or eight deaths at that time And and what we said back then is true today and that was donald trump only cares about his reelection And he knew that the economy and the dow jones and the nasdaq was tied to his reelection And so he would say and do anything to make sure the financial markets would not go in a decline into a free fall Now we did that interview. I think it was on march the fourth and the dow had dropped 3 000 points at that point But he was willing to say that it's it's you know, temporary. We're gonna lock this thing down We'll have a virus cure. We'll have a vaccine within months And it was just around that time dr. Fauci who just arrived on the scene said no By the time you develop by the time you manufacture by the time you distribute We're gonna be into 12 to 18 months So that was dr. Fauci's first entree with in a dispute in the room with with donald trump And so it's always been a political game rather than a a public health crisis I don't I don't think that's changed. I don't think that's changed one bit The big the big news today is that he is talking and tweeting about about postponing the election He's not getting a lot of resonance on that certainly not from the democrats and not from the republicans either but can you um, you know, give us the context of that against his Um, a binding desire to win this election and stay in office. Well, I think he needs more time We're now down to 96 days before the election He realizes that he has missed Some critical deadlines about trying to turn these polls around He realizes that he's taken the wrong position on how to combat covet Particularly with mass. Uh, he's turned that into a complete a complete political football to be played with And uh, as I said not wearing a mask is equivalent to wearing a mega hat And he he loves that stuff, but he realizes that the poll numbers are not going to shift in his favor Therefore, he needs more time to basically come across in a gentile way of saying mea copa Now i'm taking this virus seriously and we're going to clamp it down November the third will come by far too fast for that to happen Yeah, you mentioned before the show that deborah berkson just said something about everybody should wear a mask now Is that from her or from handle both? That's a good question Um, we'll find out because I think if she came up with this on her own and and and again, she's She's asked both states and municipalities to mandate mask wearing If donald trump did not give her those marching orders You can count on her being put put in a corner somewhere just like he's done with dr. Fauci You know Stephanie, we need to know more about the science here. I mean that in every sense of the word And um, you know that there was an article a few days ago. I think it was in Uh, I think it was in either the guardian or the no it was in the atlantic It was in the atlantic and it said something about let's do a reality test on vaccines And they pointed out in this article and it was very well written as everything in the atlantic Um, that uh, you know, we we can't be sure about this vaccine We can't be sure about any part of it. You know, not the testing not the efficacy not the not the safety Um, how you distribute it how you finish it. I mean remember that doing hacking russia's doing hacking in our test results We have international competition Instead of international collaboration. I wonder if uh, I wonder if trump discussed that with pudin in this meeting a few days ago With his secret meeting, you know where he says, oh, I can't tell you about that Just it's just personal me and pudin. Are you kidding? You're ahead of state. You were elected um Or if you were elected, I'm not sure that but but okay bottom line is um The article was very skeptical on whether you know, what was being fed to us about the uh, the possibility of a vaccine Even by Anthony Fauci was really something we could rely on At the best of it. It's going to be a year away from now Um, but where are we can you talk about therapeutics? You know talk about the vaccine Well, according to his topic with pudin. Um, well, I don't know if he spoke about it, but Russia's two weeks away So we're on countdown to two weeks uh from what yesterday or whatever when he said they are having a vaccine Produced in within two weeks according to pudin now Is that that from his discussion or is that just out of his head? The other point is that no matter the science No matter what we know he cannot understand and comprehend it absorb it and uh, that's I mean, I find it ought to be a firing offense if somebody doesn't read their morning daily bulletin of the the cia and that system of network Intelligence, he's not That he can answer a question and say I didn't I don't know that that never got to me I don't have any recollection of that. I mean that really is a Firing offense imagine if your colleague or or somebody you work closely with said that every time you ask a question I mean that is not okay So I thought it was interesting that in the axios interview that they showed pieces of I guess yesterday You may have noticed that he was asked directly. Do you read the morning briefing report? There's a an acronym for that that he gets every single morning every single president and everyone designated at that level Gets that top secret report and he says yes, I read it. I can read contrary to what everybody says I and I am a very good Comprehender. I have good comprehension. I understand I'm a stable genius, too And the axios if we're just can kind of continue on but uh, you know, he's very very much on Let's get back to the question. It was no discussion at that meeting as far as I know about about vaccines and About collaboration. In fact, you know, it's been reported that Russia has been hacking on us And maybe China has been hacking on us too to get our test results Well, that tells you a bunch of things. It means that we're not collaborating We're competing and and uh, there are tech people out there, you know, a lot of Cambridge Analytica and you know using information against us not only to undermine our elections But to undermine and and and compete with us on development of the vaccine But you know, we have Moderna, right Tim and Moderna has some promising candidates. My recollection is that all together We have something like 150 candidate vaccines But they're only really in trials on about 30 of them And maybe Moderna has the the most advanced But and there's supposed to go into according to Tony Fauci supposed to go into Level three trials here in the next few weeks In september I think and and that you know takes us further although You know, we don't know what's going to happen in the trials And we don't know that whether it's going to work or they're going to have to you know And and trump is doing his warp speed thing. I don't I don't think he knows what he's talking about but So where are we on this? You know, can I I I think you know the faster we go to the future the further we go back in time Um, I'm going to bring up louis gomert. We're representative louis gomert Who's who has been loyal trump acolyte? and now he's come down with coven 19 and he Is following the playbook and that is don't worry about a vaccine in the future We know what we have right now available is the cure and that is um hydrochloroquine And and we know that doesn't work. Dr. Fauci has said it repeatedly through clinical trials It is not effective against this virus yet louis gomert who now is contracting said i'm going to use it Donald trump said i've used it. I think it was beneficial And so that's the only miracle drug that they can use between now and 97 days to say see we told you We've been on top of this all along and if you had just listened to us We'd be a lot further along. We wouldn't have had the 151 000 deaths of american citizens So he's trying trying to do what he did before rely on hydroxychloroquine Okay, and his son Was out there on the media. He was tweeting and sending videos out And I forget whether it was facebook or twitter probably twitter caught him off They said hydroxychloroquine has been shown, you know been debunked and you're still talking about it You're misleading the people you can't do that and they come in on the old days He used to call that snake oil salesman Yeah, but a trump trump is still pushing on that and you're right I think that's that's his ace in the hole because he got nothing else um And I don't think the vaccine is something else that we can really count on neither in in timing Or in how long it works on you if it works at all um, and you know bottom line is We have we have a problem in terms of dealing with the vaccine as we see it now So This is going to have a bad ending I mean, we're we're we're somebody estimated yesterday on msnbc that by the end of the year We'd have 800 000 deaths A doctor, you know, it's not just the 800 000 deaths. It's the 800 000 deaths plus the families that have been affected by this The you know the grandkids the children the sons the daughters the wives, you know, the whole family units and neighbors Um, you know, you take one death and you replicate it in your community And it's it's tenfold of of the impacts of of death And you know, it's tragic and it was unnecessary and I agree with you from your your initial comment on this show is I hold donald trump directly responsible for a majority of these deaths I do and I always have because he's avoided the true problem. That is it's a virus not a political football So we have an economy that's in free fall, Stephanie Can you talk about that? You know, where is it going if we having this increase this dramatic increase in the number of cases all over the country as opposed to other countries Which have flattened the curve. We have it. We're we're shooting up like stars Um, we're logarithmic already and there's no sign of it slowing down largely because people insist on on Not abiding by social distancing and not wearing masks and even now So where's our economy going here? And how does that affect this? well, I think that might have had to do with his announcement of postponement because Bloomberg reported that this is a is a decline or shrinkage in the gdp The worst since the 29 Problems the problems with the depression. I mean, it was really scary this morning in in a couple of ways So, um, the market was only down about 100 points and as I think it's tripled by now But anyway, so I think he heard that because this is a marker of that second quarter And that that the toll that that took and of course it hasn't gotten any better So I'm thinking that he may have been motivated out of that bad news Very bad news to to make that to bring up another point another what we're calling shiny objects but this time the changing of the of the election date, but um So I think that it's going to get worse and I think we're facing a calamity all of us I all of us. I mean, I really had a moment and I think we all are going to have moments of where are we going with this? It's such a good question Jay Because unless we get the russian vaccine or the other vaccines or can we hold till next year because what's that song in Hamilton like what did I miss jefferson sing while he was in france and the revolutionary was going on We we don't know what these vaccine people have missed, you know, who are revving it up What was the stage Of the of the experimental trial that was missed something was missed if you're only doing it next amount of time as valve She has already schooled us all on so I just wanted to say that I am concerned I think that that might be working around That's a real darkness there and then the other news this morning. I haven't heard anybody mentioned but Herman came died of And he was at the Tulsa Uh, uh rally I I really was taken aback by that. He was there most people were uncovered now That that must be the bellwether of a whole host of other numbers coming out of there But um, I that's a shocker. So we've had three big shocks this morning and your question Asked us all to be reflect and maybe get ready for some rough times and we're gonna have to hang on for this vaccine the real Good are the rough times tim. Let's look at the I don't know if it's the worst case analysis But the likely analysis is going forward. I mean the congress is broken on this uh, the republicans Maybe I don't know if you talked about this on your show the other day, but the republicans are coming apart And uh, maybe we see cracks in the wall the republicans They disagree for example about postponing the election, but there are other things and some of them Well, they can't come to agreement on the next uh, the next, uh, you know tranche of money This is a real crisis. So we may not have Uh agreement or we may have a negotiated result which is way way down The from before and then you have people may I say starving Around the country. There's no safety net anymore And then you have like 40 million people who are off because of job situations. They're off healthcare And they stand the risk of getting sick in the hospital No insurance company to pay for that. No healthcare That's really in a hard time. So uh, query what happens when all these vectors come together Confluence of negativity. Thank you to donald trump. What happens in the streets? Well, I'm gonna take um, winston welch's path of optimism And a reminder of dickison's quote. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times You've already described the worst of times and they're going to get worse You're going to see a lot more economic disparity. You're going to see a lot more people thrown out of their homes You're going to see a lot more people who die from covet You're going to see a lot more of of unemployment and all the things that follow with unemployment But if you think about it, if people go out and vote and vote trump out of office This could be a very formative Transformants of of our government of our society not too dissimilar with what happened when richard nixon resigned We went through a pain We went through a lot of pain But as a result a lot of new laws were developed to protect graft and corruption in government and and and um abuse of of federal agencies And I think we're going to be in that time again where we're going to see what went wrong with donald trump How donald trump gained the system and how we could put in preventative Stop gap measures to prevent a future president from doing the same thing So I I see a mixture of positive Of transformation for this society this government and then I see the horrific changes that are on the horizon And they're not good and they're they're very bleak Well, I think part of your answer assumes that he will lose But he's making every effort he went he's not going to stop in these 97 days to try to you know Ameliorate his situation on the polls and and with voters. So just let me shift the facts a little bit Suppose he's able to avoid the election Even if he would lose Postponent what have you contested go to court about it delay inauguration, I know Nancy Pelosi's supposed to step in if there's no other president elected in a lot But let's take a look at that possible assumption in fact Let's assume that he either stays in office or he actually gets out of office But then he's still a voice to his base Causing trouble and consternation That makes the scenario which I think is a little optimistic Less optimistic, doesn't it? Yeah, in fact, I think your second scenario that he he's still a voice I fully if donald trump loses this election, which I pray he does I I think he'll start his own tv network And it'll be not dissimilar to alex jones or rush limbaugh that type of personality that will always stir his loyal base into You know almost anarchy against the existing form of government And he'll he'll enjoy that for the remaining of his life And so I think that's the likely scenario and I don't think we get rid of that No, and we have to you know return to the way it was or at least the way we'd like like it to be as you say But that's not an easy job. We were talking last hour to uh, sylvia luke who chairs Not only the house finance committee in white legislature, but also the the special select committee on coven and became clear to me that When when things go bad like this If in order to fix them this huge amounts of work to be done Because you have to repair all The holes in the boat you have to you have to fight the same fights you were fighting before again Against people who're not going to agree with you And and that's the way it's going to be after this election whatever happens so All I'm saying is we have our work cut out for us even in the best scenario So let's talk about the future. Let's talk about this week because what we have I mean next week what we have this week Stephanie is More of his old tricks more of his distractions more of his his lies and What's going to happen coming Is it more of the same or will he come up with something brand new? Well, I'm hoping that somebody will explain to mr. Donald trump that the next person to become president If he does not have the election is nancy policy And there's nothing he can do about that since that is hardwired And a line item so to speak in the constitution. So I bet that he doesn't understand the succession Under those what's going to happen Stephanie? And he was what's going to happen is he's going to find out about that. He's going to start other stuff Okay, so that's what he does He can't absorb that as we know now and it's validated by the study in the book of the sneeze So he cannot manage that so he moves on to something else and he continues to pull the whole house down So there he hit the election now. What's the next thing? So and it'll be every other day or probably every day We're going to have 90 of these things in Yeah, and we still have he still has A devoted ally in uh, William bar. We've seen that Even this weekend testimony in congress bar will support him no matter what What do you think? Is it I think or is the same or what? No, I think we have 97 day window of that will shape what we're looking at So what's the fastest way to reduce covet infection mass? We know that will be the fastest way to do it. So therefore I see in the next week or so The administration now really starting to promote the use of mass indoors and outdoors And I believe that Donald Trump will reluctantly go with that only because he knows that's the fastest way get to his 97 day turnaround And that's the only reason why he would support it What's he going to be doing about the stock market? Because you know all the predictions are is that if the if you don't fund These efforts social safety net. What have you if more people are out of work The stock market is bound to go down. What can he do about that? I I think it's the same thing he tried to do in march and and he even said it himself. I'm a cheerleader That's what I do and he's going to cheerlead more You know miracle cures and he's going to cure uh falling rates of case infections Because he's the great donald trump and therefore that's why he should be reelected So he's going to promote the same and just be more of a cheerleader about it You know, there's a whole momentum thing about this covid business That is whatever you say, whatever he says it doesn't take root immediately Is there's a delay of weeks. It's like tulsa, you know before kane died. It was how much it was a month at least Um, you know after tulsa and i'm sure there are a lot of cases out there now That are just coming around just ripening and incipient deaths that are just ripening because of tulsa So what you say what you do in this context and I think that's why he's concerned about You know the shortness of time and and has how he has to Catch up somehow because he knows that there's a delay on everything And uh, I can't say what it is, but I can say this it's it's weeks at least And so we we're going to see him really get desperate. Don't you agree Stephanie? I certainly do jay. I I really do especially as the tally continues to to swerve upward at a rate that's unimaginable and uh, What may will that and as the secretary of education arnie dunkin said there are no numbers There is no number of bodies that will make this man consider the welfare of our children much less the rest of the people There's no amount so don't expect it and don't wait for it That get on with the plan just nevertheless nevertheless, there's plenty going to happen I'm sure between now and next thursday So be prepared be watching and we'll have a continuation of this conversation Thank you Stephanie. Very nice to have you and tim and what a delight to have you on the show Thank you. Have a good day. Stay well. Aloha. Aloha