 Pastor Tunde Bacare condemns the recent clampdown on the leader of indigenous people of Biafra, Aipop, Namdi Kani, and the European nation agitator, Sundae Boho. And, with all that's happening in the peoples on the APC, we'll buy that tin of Iran for presidency 2023. This is cross-political, and I am very manifold. The General Overseer Citadel Global Community Church Pastor Tunde Bacare has condemned the recent clampdown on the leader of the indigenous people of Biafra, Aipop, Namdi Kani, and the European nation agitator, Sundae Boho. Saying the federal government has replaced the search for justice with intimidation and brutality. The cleric dared a particular official of the regime of Bahari to come after him if the government was offended by those comments. And speaking about the current issues in our nation, how successful can we say that our democracy has been since it achieved its status in 1999? Well, joining us at this cost is Timmy Frank, a former deputy publicity secretary of the all-progressive Congress. Thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Frank. Thank you very much, my sister. Great. And good evening, and greetings. Thank you for joining us. There's been a lot happening in the country. I mean, we're going to have to take it, you know, bit by bit. But the most, the latest, obviously, is the fact that Sundae Boho and Kanu are still, you know, in courts. The case is for Kanu, the case has been moved to a later date, of course, because he did not appear in court. And for Sundae Boho, which is happening in Benning Republic, we're hearing reports that there might be an extradition backed in Nigeria. But then, of course, on the other side of the divide, there are people who are criticizing the government as to how they've handled this issue, human rights activists, and even the people who support these agitators. But someone who's watching from the outside in, what do you think about all that's been happening and how government is handling the insecurity in the country? Well, thank you very much for the opportunity for me to air my views of what is happening back home in Nigeria. I just want to say very clearly, it is unfortunate, it is sad that we have a government of deaf and dumb. This APC government is a deaf and dumb government. What do you mean? How do you mean? It's a deaf and dumb president. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, just hold on Mr Tiwi. We can't start on that note, you can't say that our president is deaf and dumb. And we all know that our president is not deaf and dumb. No, no, no, if he's not deaf and dumb, then he should have been listening to the cry of the Nigerian people, he should have been listening to the cries of the international community, he should have been listening to the worries and the stubbornness of what his government is doing to the Nigerian people. It is very clear that this government does not listen and they don't want to listen and they are not ready to listen because what they are doing today, this same government is just trying to do things that would genuinely break up the country because the kind of actions were seen under the APC government and General Buhari in the history of Nigeria, we've never, never witnessed what is happening. Today, everyone person lives in fear in the country and may why we have the governments that cannot provide security for the people. So this same government that has failed in its campaign promises, this same government that has failed Nigerians, now the only thing they have, they've decided to come with a new strategy of oppressing the people that you know that voted for them. So, so far as I'm concerned, this government has demonstrated, you know, the worst frustration that the Nigerian people has ever experienced and we don't think they can take us to the worst. We are already facing the worst right now in Nigeria. Nigerian people are in pain and in the case of Inambicano, you can see the mafia style they use in getting him from Kenya. That is not an arrest, that is a kidnapping activities and if a government that is kidnapping its own citizens from outside the country is that kind of a government, a responsible government, the answer is no. Is it really kidnapping because we don't see the Kenyan authorities kicking against it or having a problem with it and we see that in Benin, of course, we're hearing, we're not sure that there might be an extradition. Listen, what they did in Kenyan and Nairobi in kidnapping Inambicano is the same method they were trying to use, the same treatment on Sunday, it was because the Benin, the Republican government has seen the outcry of how people have condemned what they did in Kenya. In the case of Kenya it is because of corruption. The government of Kenya is corrupt and if you have two corrupt governments that are doing transactions they can trade off anybody. What do you mean the government of Kenya is corrupt? According to the reports that we had, they worked with the Interpol to get Kano back to Nigeria according to the reports that the government gave us. So when you talk about corrupt governments, I do not know how President Uhuru Kenyatta's corruption has, what it has to do with the extradition of Nambicano. Let me tell you clearly, the defilogy process in bringing Inambicano back from Kenya to Nigeria, the answer is no. Did you see any calls that granted the Kenyan government to hand over Nambicano to Nigeria? The answer is no. So this is just a backyard transaction. Something has changed and whether you like it or not, I can tell you from all authorities, some of us who get our intents, who get our information very clearly, and that is why you can see. But this can also be beer pallet talk or some conversation you're having on your dining table. You do not have facts. You do not have proof. You were not part of the negotiation. So really, why should we take your position as opposed to the position that the government is giving to us? Listen, let me tell you. I can tell you the reason why you should take my position. It's not what the Nigerian government has come out to address Nigerians or what the Anthony General come out to tell me. This is a government that I know very well. I was part of them. This is a government of, you know, this is a government that every person in this government lies. They don't speak the truth. This is how this government came to power in 2015. So I know them. I know the intrigues of this party called LPC. I know all the leaders in this party work to work. I can tell you that fear of evil. Let anybody come and sue me. If they say whatever I'm saying, there's no facts to it. They should come and sue me. I'm there. I'm not running away. The same way they got in and they cannot arrest. Some of us were prepared some day. If that is a witch and that is a rogue, they want to go. Oh, we are ready. But I will tell you clearly. They will not go scot free with this strategy. They cannot keep oppressing the Nigerian people. The Nigerian people have rights to agitate for whatever thing that they want. If this government was giving the people the dividends of democracy, nobody would be talking about break up of the country. This is because this government has gone out of hand. Let's talk about the agitation of these men. Let's start with Namedi Kanu. Now we know that Namedi Kanu's agitations didn't start today. Neither did it start under the Buhari administration. It did start earlier on. And we remember that, of course, he was granted bail by the court, but then he was not allowed to travel out of the country. But he did jump bail. And looking at the fact that he was brought back to face his sentence, I mean, he obviously committed a crime. He had two shorties that were supposed to guarantee that he would return to court, but he did not. And also making those shorties, getting them in trouble with the court. So Namedi Kanu does have a case to answer, you know, here in the courts in Nigeria. I mean, other allegations that have been hit, we do not know, you know, how serious those allegations are, but we know that he did commit a crime against the court by jumping bail. But looking at Igboho, who has been having rallies across the, you know, the Southwest, and just before he was supposed to have won in Lagos, his house was raided. We have videos of his cars being, you know, shot at, shattered. We saw blood in his, I mean, the whole country saw videos coming from, you know, the scene at his house, even though he was not there. But then, of course, now he is in Benin Republic. He is facing, you know, the courts, and of course there are conversations as to if he would be extradited back to Nigeria. But looking at the struggles and the agitations of these people, many have asked, if we, as a country, had acts together, would we be having these non-state actors? Whether we like it or not, these guys are non-state actors. But their agitations, are they legitimate? Should they be going about it this way? Have they even given government a reason to go after them in the style that they're going after them because of what they have said and done? Sincerely, let's take a look at this. What are your thoughts? What reason do you want them to give to Nigerian people or Nigerians in diaspora the entire world? The reasons is very clear. Every Nigeria is already feeling the pain. What reason is more than what's today? You wake up one morning. You don't know if it is your mother that is going to be kidnapped. You don't know if it is your sister in a country where people can no longer feed. Electricity is not there for the people to see. Nepotism is the order of the day. Arrestment and insults of those in power against the Nigerian people. Who can bear all of these kinds of pains? But many of us are bearing it. But I'm asking, is a secession or calling for an independent state the solution to our problems? Is that the solution to our immediate problems? I have never been one of those who supported the break up of Nigeria. I have never been. But this is what NAMD can and Igboho are all sitting for. Oh, but it is a right. They have every right. It's not just in NAMD. It's not just in the Igboho. If you make a referendum in Nigeria, out of 200 Nigerians, make a referendum today, I can tell you, 70% will be prepared to go. So if the government thinks they are popular, the right thing to do, we saw it when Britain wanted to leave the EU. They came up to test the waters and attend of the day what happened. If people voted in support of leaving the EU. So what do we expect this government to do? If the agitation, if you see protests in London, in America, in Europe, every part of the world, including in Nigeria, in different places, everybody says they want to go. So what a government that has sense to do is to cover a referendum. And if majority of the people said they are not ready to go, then which means these agitators, they failed in their agenda. Because in the first place, for them to say they want to go, not just them, but the majority of the people that are now crying that want to leave. Because when you wake up, you cannot feed. Fulani Esmen is killing people every day. We have not seen any major arrests of any Fulani Esmen. The same way they have time, they are going to arrest you outside Nigeria. If the Buddha said energy, Buddha will be seeing the leaders of Fulani Esmen being arrested, being detained, being tried. But because you have a president that is the leader of the Fulani Esmen, they will be shielded from all of this. Here you go again with these allegations about the president. The president is the president. Hold on, I'd like to set you straight. The president is the president of Nigeria, not the leader of Fulani Esmen. I'm sorry, I'm sorry you're misleading the people. I'm sorry, I'm sorry you're misleading the people. You cannot say that the president is the leader of Fulani Esmen. He's the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Do not mislead the viewers. No, let me tell you clearly. He has not demonstrated as president of Nigeria. If he has demonstrated as president of Nigeria, where we are today will not be there. And that is why you can see people like Tunde Bakari, who is meant to be best friend of General Bufari, who was his running mate in 2011. Today I've seen that this same man that he supported has no capacity, has no experience, has no knowledge to lead Nigeria as a president. So the president himself has demonstrated to show that he's deaf and dumb, he has no capacity. Yes. Let me tell you, this same president you're talking about, when the leaders of the North, his own Kingsmen, came out to tell you a word, came out to tell Nigeria's, tried to shake up the National Assembly, made it very clear that, look, Nigeria is no longer same under our own system. And therefore we want General Bufari to resign himself or the National Assembly should commence impeachment immediately. This does not come from Timmy Frank. This does not come from the Nigerian masses. This directive came from the leaders, Northern Leaders Forum. And General Bufari is one of them in the North. So if his own people has come out clearly to say this man should resign, then what are we talking about? I'm curious. They've seen that Nigeria is no longer leading as president of Nigeria, but it's the one-sided president. I'm curious too. Have you seen? How many times have you seen? I'm sorry Mr. Frank, I have a question. You had said at the beginning, and we all know this, that you were party to those who brought the president to power. You were one of the people who came down heavily on the PDP and pointed fingers, as to how they had run the country down the drain. But here we are in 2021. You're waxing lyrical about the same government that you helped bring to power. And you are seemingly speaking against the president. You even started out by saying that the president is deaf and dumb, which I found very, you know, insulting to the personality of the president. But the average person who's watching you would say, what's the difference between you and the people who work with the president today and the people you are accusing of not listening to the hues and the cries of Nigerian? What makes you better than them? Let me tell you clearly, well, I'm better than them. But for the facts, I was one of those that made the president in 2015. I have come out to apologize for God to forgive me. For being part of a satanic collaboration, I bring a senseless and a wicked government I made a public apology to the entire Nigeria and the whole world. Very clear. So that makes me unique because I knew the man who served to Nigerians does not have the capacity, does not have the experience that he has failed. So being a young man to show that difference in 2017, I took a bow and left the party. I resigned and I said, I don't want to be this kind of a party. I don't want to be a leader in this kind of a party that this party has failed the campaign promises. And when I saw it clearly that this party was going to present General Buhari in the next election, like mine is like me, not just myself. A lot of us took a bow and said, we can't be fooled for twice. We cannot be fooled for a second time. So there is difference between me and those working for General Buhari. I could have as well sat down as spokesperson of the party, enjoy all the things that is attached when you are in ruling party, the respect and enjoyment and routine. But I decided, no, that I can't be part of this satanic arrangement. I took a bow and left. So there's no way you can compare me and those ones. I can tell you, I communicate with some people inside the presidential villa. I communicate with people inside the APC. The bitter anger, just as some of them are cowards. They are not like Timmy Frank. I took the bow step to say, well, I can't continue this marriage. And that was why I left. And from the beginning of this government, I was the only person within the party who had the capacity and guts to challenge the party as at that time. I did that because I know too much. I'm one of the founding fathers of this party called APC. So if these were not working, I have everybody right to say, I don't want to be like coward, like every some person who has to sit down there and be complaining in the bedroom. I felt if this is wrong, it is my duty and right to say I'm stepping down. And I took a bow and left. So I have no regrets in all of this. So, my sister, there is difference. Let's talk about the most recent thing that yesterday I had someone from a former staffer at the US Congress. I spoke with a security consultant and a human rights lawyer. Of course, you know the story of the United States Congress and the Senate putting a stop to the sales of helicopters and some security ammunition that we need to fight, you know, the insecurity that we're facing, especially that's in the northeast and in the north central. And they gave reasons. And one of the biggest reasons was human rights abuses. I was still discussing this issue and I want to bring it to you because, of course, this is still the issue that people are still talking about. Even though the presidency has come out to play it down, that it's not such an issue and that they're sure that the sale will continue. But the US government is talking about the clamp down on the, you know, the Twitter ban. The US is talking about the fact that the army had a hand in the ensass protest and the killings and the shooting on that fateful day. And they've made mention of the fact that they think, according to them, that the government of Bahá'í is heading towards an autocratic system of sorts. But again, we are dealing with a high level of insecurity and we need our army, our security, you know, our partisans need these weapons to deal with the ongoing war. What the US is doing, is it really timely? I mean, of course they want to deal with an issue, but what about the people that are dying in their numbers? If we do not have... If we are not able to arm our soldiers to fight because the people that we're fighting against have more automatic weapons, unfortunately. Let me tell you, the United States government is 100% right in whatever they are doing. This is the same government that supported General Buhari in 2015 for him to be president. If you remember clearly, it is same then Joe Biden was the vice president to Barack Obama and it was Obama's government that brought General Buhari to power. So if today this same government that brought General Buhari to power in 2015 when you say that a US government brought Buhari to power it makes me feel like the US government had a hand in the polls. They didn't have a hand in the polls. If they were in support of... Let me tell you, you make a lot of allegations. This is a very hefty one. My sister is listening. Go and check what the Jonathan says after he left power. Have you not read what Jonathan says that Obama removed me from office? Did you not have a statement at that time? America doesn't need to come and vote. America just felt what they did at that time. Is the former president of the US a Nigerian voter? How would he have removed? He's not even Nigerian. How could he remove former president my sister, my sister. Listen, that was not my statement. I'm quoting and I said to you you can Google it and check Jonathan's statement on the United States government. He made it very clear on a live video on a live interview in BBC. Go and check. He said Obama's government removed me from power. So this is not to be frowned on. So I'm just trying to let you know these people that, whether you like it or not, America for any election they try to make sure they intervene to see that a better candidate emerge and the process must be fair and fair. Especially in Africa, you see incumbent presidents acquire powers to themselves and re-elections. So Jonathan felt at that time he didn't have any support because it was very clear and some of us did the work. Then I was in the position to do everything we did. So I can tell you whenever I speak I speak with experience. That is why I can call names because I now have my facts. So they are very right. If today the United States government gives them ammunition, that ammunition will be used to kill Nigerians, not the terrorists. The one they have now, how many terrorists have they killed? They have killed more civilians they have killed more civilians in Nigeria than they have killed terrorists. So you are saying they should continue holding on to this to the sale at the expense of the people who are dying? Because I know it's corruption. Let me tell you because I know Nigerian government is going to inflate pride. America is not stupid. America want the crisis. American government want the insecurity to be resolved in Nigeria. American government want this crisis to be resolved. Is this the best way for America to go about it? Is this the best way? People have called for other ways, other measures. No, let me tell you America will not sell their arms to anybody that will use that arm to kill some citizens. Because they know very well they have their reports, they have their details. They know, even right now you can see they killed the shared people in Nigeria. Who killed the shared people? Isn't it military men? Abiduson you say Islam again or something or it's an aggregation. Who killed the ancestors' protesters in Leki? Who massacred protesters in Leki? What weapon did they use? Wasn't it military men that killed people in Leki? What are we talking? So why do you want American government to release their weapons? The government that will come and kill these protesters again? They will never do that. So they will wait for any government that they think that will follow a proper democratic process that will respect freedom of speech, that will respect rule of law. So they have seen that this government first of all doesn't respect rule of law. This government does not respect human rights. This government does not obey court orders. So as far as I'm concerned and let me tell you as I'm talking to you right now, I've been in United States some of us who've come to liars with the people and the authority to seek for support who are here to seek for political intervention who are here to appeal to the United States government to help us to stop and end this current minutes of this drug war. The APC because what we are seeing right now if you allow this people they don't want to handle the power. They are planning to attempt. I can tell you clearly again. Oh my goodness. You and your allegations. Our constitution does not allow for third time. We saw someone attempted we saw the Obasan Drug Administration try to attempt it. It did not work. We are scared and that is why we are working because if you allow the current robust staff national assembly that are the royal boys to Genoa Buhari if they are away these are the royal boys who amend the constitution for Genoa Buhari to run for third time. Well I want to say thank you Timmy Frank for being part of the conversation we appreciate you but our time is up. Thank you. All right. Well we'll take a short break and when we return we will be discussing what's happening in the APC and of course as they prepare for their congresses what should we be looking out for stay with us.