 We'll use the example of pull together and I didn't come up with who wrote this. I think Ryan was talking about this. What's his last name? Sir. No, no, he's like on Twitter and on stop. Ryan something. Let me pull it up there real time. We'll get, we want to do justice over here and get his real name shadow. I want to give credit where credit is due. Um, well, if you just say Ryan and like, you can Ryan, Sean Adams. Here, I was, if you just didn't give him the last name number, I think that's super theorem guy. He, he, he tweeted an interesting idea, taking the idea of pull together. So let's say you and I have a software company and the software is $20 a month. Instead of me paying you $20 a month, my lockage of my die or whatever crypto, the interest from that they can use. Yeah. I'm technically getting the software for free because of my opportunity costs and me deploying to somewhere else. I'm not getting that. Now the question, are you really a software company or are you a bank? That's a good point. I mean, at that point, you're a bank because you're deploying that money. You're not just saying, oh, here, I'm going to give, I'm just going to sit here. No, like right now die, let's say if it's like 8%, that's not going to last. It's probably going to get to like 2, 3% some stability, right? Maybe back to like banking rates. It used to be 2%. Then pretty much it's like a zero sum game. It's winner take all, right? It's like the more you have, the more kind of interest in deployment. So at that point, you're pretty much kind of like a bank slash hedge fund. Where your software is just a lead generation tool on the front end. Well, yeah, if you think about like a lot of like the, what, what blockchains are like, every time like I start to explain things like make your doubts like right there's like, you're describing a bank to me. Like this is a bank that if you can tap into decentralized networks, and since everything to do with blockchain has some sort of value transfer involved with it. Every time you change state, you have to move some Ethereum. Then technically almost every application is by definition a bank or every DAP is by definition kind of some sort of bank. If you're really tapping into these power and decentralized networks of it. So maybe that's our somewhat answer of like, what are we creating? We're creating like decentralized banks for everybody or everybody can be their decentralized bank. You can literally create your software, which it does something. But in the background, it's really a bank. And that's how you actually create your business model. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. I'm actually more excited now than I was when I came out. That's one interesting thing. You know, another interesting thing too is. I know a lot of Bitcoin or shit on tokens. And they have. There's reasons why to know for the most part, we're in the early stage. I think a lot of these tokens are useless. Oh, absolutely completely useless. Now, I'm also a firm believer where. I think we will see in the future a type of new Facebook. We don't have to call it decentralized, but it's going to be more or less that everybody kind of wins on the upside of it. And so it can be a combination of two things within this new type of blockchain, uh, a social media platform, whether it's Facebook, you whatever, right, right, right. One, I know we're super early on this block stack was one of the first ones that I think was like reggae or regd. They did a securitized token. They registered with the SEC, etc. We're super early. There's no look. Can't really get liquidity for it. There's not too many market makers for it. So it takes time to mature to build out the ecosystem, both the buy and sell pressures. Let's say we're at that point, right? There's liquidity and there's exchanges. It's regulated. You and I, let's say this new social media platform comes around. They're doing kind of like an STO and they're raising money, maybe on like a series B, series C, not originally, they have to get momentum. I want to be part of it because I'm fucking using it. Right. So I, I give money. We, as the initial users, we have upside now with this. So I think something like this will eventually happen. We can have them, like whether it's die or ether or it should be open and you can use any crypto within this social media platform. But you and I have a token now that represents ownership. The represent shares, depending on how much I buy, I can represent my voting rights in it as well, depending on how they kind of label the different to the token within it. So it's kind of like a method of like turning regular users or like into super users. Yeah, into owners. Yeah, even super into something that maybe we don't actually see in those platforms before is like it was all about deal flow and accessibility. Like if you weren't part of the Silicon Valley elites, you wouldn't have access to anything. Right. So imagine you and I create the system and we have to go through the proper channels. It's going to be regulated, but like. And by this, definitely run our series B already. So it's not like we don't even have that. Yeah, I don't recommend this isn't a system where you just go from day one. Yeah, you want to still get private investors in and build out your model, get the scale. And then once you want to really hyperscale, then you kind of. And you already have a working app in your hands that has users too. So like. Yeah, stuff like that is, I think we're really fucking early though. But I, I see that happening. But then again, this is, this is like a permissioned and please, you know, sanctioned, secured, regulated type of platform. So it's like kind of like the maker down model trickling down into like everyday life where people are actually voting on what they think their interest rates should be. And people are actually trying to take a stake in the company itself because they're themselves are kind of technically owners with the maker down token. Yeah, like I think I know at one point in the blockchain space, there was a hype for curation, bonding curves. Right. I'm not in the camp that I believe everybody has a right to vote. Um, yeah, no, I, uh, well, all right. Maybe like everybody should have a right to vote, but maybe not everybody should vote or they should take it. There has to be some skin in the game. Yeah. Whether you are, when I mean my skin in the game, there has to be. Yeah. Yeah, I know I've actually like talked about that idea, especially when I was learning about create two for the first time, it's like you can create code and then it can like fully automatically interact. But like if you vote for the wrong value, you actually get those tokens burned and people who vote for the right one actually get like a portion of the tokens from the burned or like the users. So yeah, there's probably there is a lot of like that. The only issue is when I brought that all up is the amount of percent of people that actually vote in the Ethereum space already is already very low and people aren't like, people aren't like trying to like, oh, how can we make that lower, make it more difficult for people to vote? They're trying to bang the door open that you get like a hundred percent of people or like a large percent of people like say I'm a regular user and I'm a regular like a dabbler within Ethereum. Why do I even care to vote? Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. And that's probably one of like the most like fearful I am for polka dot. Like I've never voted in Ethereum. I have nothing to gain. Yeah. I mean, I voted for a few dow stuff, but it was mainly because I was not like for me, I have nothing to gain. I have nothing to lose. I'm like, what's the purpose of me voting? I have zero skin in the game. Well, I mean, what they say is when they talk about the tokens is that, you know, you're voting on things that govern the token that you're holding. I'm not a developer. I'm not an engineer. The fuck do I know what's going on? It's that's a fair point. I mean, and again, yeah, a lot of people talk about, you know, getting more people to vote in these decentralized networks. But, you know, you also make a very fair point, which I do consider is like, this should everybody be voting? Like, is that like our biggest goal to get everybody to vote or people who vote are the people who really, really care and really, really set down research and, you know, should have a say? Well, for the most part, it's always a select few to control everybody. Well, you bring up maker, you know, there are people out there who've bought the maker token that have an incentive to buy the token and to put in the votes based on their incentive models. What about incentive models? You can see why people behave based on incentive. Feedback mechanisms. No makers and interesting stuff. See what happens with dye. No, I have no idea how to do multi-collateral. Yeah. There's pros and cons to that. But it's still, I think dye. I'm more in the camp. They're my, I don't know how they're building out the multi-collateral. I think dye is an interesting product. Really interesting. I think if it can hold its peg, there's a lot of use case for it, but I'll never, ever, ever see it. And I don't know, maybe I'm proven wrong, but at least as of today, I don't see it being used as money. That's fair. I mean, like I can't complain. I haven't used it for money. I think about a drink at a bar once with it. But like, yeah, other than that, I don't. You're right.