 He's sweet sweet thick syrup. He was Chinese medicine for I Don't know it had the consistent. It had like the the viscosity of molasses So you just like a table spoon. That was great. That's actually what What my grandpa's cough medicine kind of tasted like it had whorehound in it What's that? No, at least I think it did he never doesn't sound good It sounds like a whorehound is like a brown sugar honey cough drop It's not the same whorehound. I was thinking of no It's not the one Robert Johnson used to sing out about I don't know who that is Blue's musician Robert Johnson is he friends with Linda Ronstadt another person I'm like who sings no Robert Johnson, you know, he's from the 30s So I think he was dead long before Linda Ronstadt was born You know from my youth sure. Yeah in the 1930s when you were when you were Speaking of Linda Ronstadt well not speaking of Linda Ronstadt at all But speaking of people where I'm like very very popular person, but I couldn't name one song Barbara Streisand Memories Do I is that the cat Memories Did you ever know that you're my one? No, no, no, that's that's no, no, no, no, that's um Funny face. No, no, that's the hero person is That meddler. Oh Maybe I don't know who Barbara Streisand is I just realized You don't know a single song. She sings cuz neither do I oh well cuz I only know her from acting. I know that She's Man in the 80s. It was a cliche that she was popular in the gay community. Is that right or am I thinking a bet meddler still? No, I think both I think both would be considered icons theater kind of you know God, I can't remember what I can't speak with authority on this really Hmm, I'd so yeah, see none of us know great of our songs, but she's a big I I just named a bunch of them You remember memories from cats Is it Barbara Streisand song? Well, she this is the problem with Barbara Streisand Which is probably why we're having a hard time is she sang a lot of songs that other people always sang her 1963 record of the year which by the way, I don't know this. I'm looking it up was happy days are here again Okay, I kind of know that song. Yeah, I mean that's just a traditional Yeah, and then you don't bring me flowers with Neil Diamond I don't bring my wife flowers Wait, I just realized all the patrons know that you're not vigorously practicing all the headlines right before each episode now Yes, correct Because this is not how I thought last minute prep went for this program It's been a lot. We've changed it a little. It's a lot of talking about cough drops now cough drops aging celebrities Our own health issues. All right, it's 130 though. We should probably do the show that's memory not memories So not the cat song. No, I don't I don't know someone tell me if it's the cat song or not because that's a great song Yeah, it's a different song different song. Okay Okay Brian are you ready? No, but I'm prepared. No, I mean, I'm not prepared, but I'm ready. Yeah, okay He's playing it Brian. Just wait Go Daily Tech news show is powered by you. Yeah, no, I mean you find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday March 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and with a voice a little lower than normal But feeling better from studio feel I'm Sarah Lane and do I jump in or no? Yes? Yes long It's been so long I don't remember the format Tom. You got to guide me through this ladies and gentlemen I'd like to introduce you from Austin, Texas Brian brushwood Hang out with your old dorm mates and then they're but they're rich now and they drive and I wish I wish I was rich I wish my old dorm mate was rich. That's our producer Roger Chang there as well Roger saying they would like you to introduce yourself How do you feel my name is Roger? I'm the producer of the show and I would also like to be rich Okay Well, let's start with a few tech things you should know Instagram may have plans for voice and video calling based on Android application packages or APKs that show files and icons called call and Video call Yeah, often we see these before they end up being actual features back in January an image of a video call button was also spotted by the blog WA beta info so if we're keeping score because we know that Instagram has Aped a few of in snapchats features in the past snapchat first launch video calling in 2014 Meanwhile on Wednesday a 1.35 terabits per second DDoS attack hit get hub It's the most powerful distributed denial of service attack recorded to date get hub sought help from its DDoS mitigation service Akamai prolexic after eight minutes and the attack dropped off Users of Akamai prolexic should seek a doctor after 10 minutes of DDoS Yesterday we mentioned software engineer Loretta Lee was suing her former employee Google and we recapped the suits from James Deymore and Tim Chevalier add another one to the list former YouTube recruiter Arne Wilberg now claims he was terminated in retaliation for complaining to HR about Hiring practices particularly discriminatory hiring practices Alright, let's talk a little more about birds. I mean angry birds. What's going on Brian? Well, Rovio the maker of angry birds games reported Q4 earnings below estimates and announced it will close its year-old London based games development office the head of the games unit Wilhelm Tat will be also leaving the company the earnings report cited heavy competition and an increased cost of user acquisition as two reasons for the short fall Phil year Phil year revenue was up by 56% and the company made a profit in Q4 Rovio said it will continue to invest in hatch entertainment is subsidiary That's that is building a cloud-based streaming service Do you guys remember when unironically with a straight face Rovio was saying they're going to be the next Disney? And I don't know if that was just bluffing bluster of the time Maybe that was the right move when you have me in all this cash that you're swimming in but It's sounds a little ambitious for a slingshot game now I mean Rovio or angry birds rather had a Disney type feature film It was you know, it was a big deal at a certain point I think a lot of us who have seen these sorts of things rise and fall very quickly I always think of Zynga, you know as a great example of something where it's like can't lose But you did eventually You know this is Yeah, I wonder about the London office only being open for a year that seems pretty quick Otherwise, I'm just not surprised. Well 50 years from now the documentary will say then in 2018 things didn't look good for Rovio If you asked people then they would have said Errator says things weren't good. Yeah I I wonder because they're making money, right? And they're a mobile game company that is sort of out of the spotlight right now and they're making money It's only that they have this quarterly, you know Public company treadmill that they have to keep feeding that it looks bad for them right now if they were private I think they would just be doubling down on the cloud stuff They would be Continuing to feed their their battle game, which is an MMO that isn't reliant on the birds part of the franchise So I see a lot to like in Rovio. It's just not the kind of stuff that makes them popular The Lightphone everyone remember this this was the crowdfunded product released last year as a simplified handset without internet access Without texting support or email or even a camera to take photos crazy But people kind of liked it right because it simplified your your your your addiction to your to your handset is Adding some new features for its next generation the light phone too will include an ink touch screen for G support tech support Now light doesn't expect to ship the new model until April 2019 Worth noting though that the original handset was delayed supposed to launch in 2016 did not launch until 2017 So that you know might you want to want to take that that date with a grain of salt Lightphone 2 is available to back on Indie go-go for the early bird price of 225 dollars eventually expects to sell for 400 which is Middle of the road for a handset but for something that deliberately keeps away features In order to make your life more simple. I personally would want it to be cheaper Well, this is the brilliant thing about their marketing is that they're not positioning this as a less than phone They're positioning it as a diet phone. They're saying you're consumed with junk food and this is a problem We will sell you the solution and we don't expect Solutions to junk food to be cheap and and I think that's smart What I do think is really interesting is if you look at the crowdfunding site on their Indie go-go Scroll down about like one-third down and you'll see a picture that sort of sketches out what they imagine They're like It's just a timeline and on the left it says one thing and it's the light phone and on the right It says too many things and it says a smartphone and then slightly to the right of one thing It says this is what we're aiming for a few things and even more fascinating And this is this is the mark of somebody who is experienced in crowdfunding They are very Precise about the things that they are and are not claiming to do so if you scroll down even farther It'll say yes, you will be able to call message context alarm and auto reply No, you'll never be able to do social media advertising email or news Maybe if possible and make sense I don't know maybe directions maybe ride-sharing maybe a playlist maybe weather Maybe voice command or a calculator or a dictionary maybe and I think this is a really smart play on what they're doing if they This is an untapped market the idea of a diet cell phone I think has tremendous potential But the question is is are they rushing to the mushy middle where they're just a crippled smartphone or are they pioneering a brand new category? Yeah, because the original light phone was almost an accessory They they really heavily emphasize the call forwarding part of it like still get your calls But not have to carry that phone that's going to distract you Or or you know is going to be a real problem and in rain or whatever might get lost or whatever This one is in that middle and I almost feel like it would be better if they said yes It will do text messaging now, but it's still just an accessory not well Maybe we might do this or that because then I start to wonder really said text messaging is in there But the the maybe direct the stuff is more of the ride-sharing's and directions and that kind of stuff Yeah, I'm saying they should have just stopped with the yeses. No maybes. I Don't know. I think that might be a really smart thing because what it what it queues is that we're listening We want to hear what you want, right? They're listening to your calls No, it's not what they said Sources tell cheddar that snap will launch a second version of its spectacle glasses this year and then a third version with two cameras in 2019 this reminded me that Evan Spiegel has been saying snap is a camera company not a social network Second-gen spectacles are said to be water-resistant according to these sources and would come in new colors and have performance improvements The third Speculated spectacles would feature a new design and two cameras to allow some 3d like effects in your videos Snapping out last year it lost 40 million dollars on the original spectacles sold 150,000 pairs and has a huge inventory of unsold units, you know, it's funny I I live in the same city that snapchat has its headquarters a lot of people around me work at snapchat You can just tell you just smell it And for a while they were all wearing spectacles I don't see any spectacles even on people that I assume are snapchat employees So, you know this whole the whole spectacles thing was interesting intriguing They were kind of ugly. Sorry for anybody who liked them weren't for me never got a pair of my own And there have been little kiosks down on the boardwalk that have I don't know They were there for a while and they're not there anymore And so the idea that snapchat hoped to sell a lot more of them You know besides sort of this novel idea when it first came out where people were like, that's cool and different camera company, huh? Look at snap I don't know anybody who wants this. I'll tell you what so I was not very dialed in on the spectacles phenomenon But I assume it was marketed as this is a way to share your life this is a way to share things or whatever and In marketing fear moves more units than than joy And so what they're saying is you have joy share that joy if you want to move these you market them the way Like a russian dash cam you say at some point in your life You will witness something that nobody will ever believe This is your insurance spend this $200 now wear these ridiculous glasses and when that moment happens You will have viral gold You will be the one to show the the asteroid crashing into the ground or whatever that once in the lifetime Like at some point you will have a once in a lifetime moment and wouldn't it be a shame if it wasn't on video And just by having you know, like just a last 30 seconds ability to recover Oh wait, is it me? Nope. It's sara. Oh got it Toyota is investing more than 2.8 billion dollars in a new tokyo based venture to develop software for self-driving cars A thousand employees including new hires will staff the operation and english will be the main business language Toyota will have 90 stake with Uh support part suppliers Uh denso corp and asian sake ko each holding five percent I think this is important because This is what a company looks like Before you're having the conversation of car companies didn't adapt to technology fast enough now Now they're trying to stop autonomous cars now They're trying to do this instead of being cable companies instead of being music companies a lot of car companies Not just Toyota are becoming new kinds of companies. Toyota is like we're going to be a software company We're also going to be a research company. They have an r&d outfit in silicon valley Like Toyota is making those moves now To not just be a car company in the future and and they haven't been for a long time Granted, I know that they have lots of lots of arms that aren't directly related to manufacturing But I guess I should say they're continuing that Yeah, and I don't know maybe it's a side effect of the society that we live in where where ideas spread So very very quickly, but it does take a rocket scientist to know that this is the future that people are going to be driving Their own cars all the time We got other things that we want to direct our attention to Except for when we want to drive for pleasure in which case we'll go to a park And drive around in a circle for pleasure or whatever Yeah, and toky and a Toyota may be saying we want to sell the software to the future other car makers besides just us Because that's where you make the money A market research report from ocnc strategy consultants predicts voice shopping will grow 40 billion dollars in the us and uk By 2022 now granted these research things often say things, right? But it is a two billion dollar market right now 13 percent of us homes have a smart speaker and 36 percent of those homes use them to buy stuff In the uk 10 percent of households have the speakers about 16 percent of those ship I'm sorry shop on them smart speaker owners tend to be young They tend to be wealthy and they tend to have kids So that would sort of imply that you know as they continue to grow older They'll continue to shop in this way. Maybe their kids will learn too also So I wish I was one of those people's young wealthy with children Buy a smart speaker and you'll become that 15 years ago I had a a panasonic You know candy bar phone and I for the very first time used sms to or whatever was built in on it to buy A book on amazon and it took about five whole minutes But I did it at the bar without going anywhere and it actually got bought and the book got delivered It was a giant pin of the button. Remember thinking man. If only this was shorter and easier I'd probably do this all the time likewise last year in the middle of cooking stir fry I shouted out to my amazon device whose name I will not say I said hey, I need more msg and she said oh well the last time you bought it It was this other stuff. Here's a replacement brand. It's this much. Do you want it? I'm like, yeah, go ahead and I ended and I've not done it since but it occurred to me Man, that was a that was a plotting tedious slowly executed conversation If it was just fast if it was as fast as hey, tom I need msg and you're like, okay, no, no, the old one's not there But the new one is is this much is that okay? Yeah, that's great If it was literally that short and I think it will be in a matter of years I think it could be the biggest thing Yeah, I I don't shop by voice because of what you're talking about Because I don't want to have to get in a conversation and clarify things that end up getting the wrong thing and then have to return it I don't want to have to follow up But once it becomes as easy as you're describing, I'll be in I really will I don't I don't use shopping lists with my Well, it's a son of a speaker, but you know who I'm talking to the a name I don't although I understand how it works But I have started to take an inventory of things that seem very obvious to me that she should know That she's not getting right. So it's like and I mean I complain about this with Siri as well, but It's the whole they're you know, if there's a particularly basketball game on and I ask you what the score is And you tell me what the next game, you know, when the next game is going to be three days from now It's like, okay. Well, you don't really understand me yet Yeah, I do use the the shopping list part. Just not the shopping order something for me part Yeah, I mean, which is you know easy enough as long as they understand What you're trying to order tell our groceries to add chocolate chips to shopping list is what I say And then it does it Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com available on the amazon echo google home and anchor app as well as in your podcasting app That's daily tech headlines dot com So we've got sort of good news and bad news and a lot of stuff to talk about as far as ride hailing services are concerned A new report titled driving toward equality women ride hailing and the sharing economy suggest that ride hailing platforms Uber kareem taxify some of these companies. You might know some of them You might not because it was detailing a lot of different Uh metro areas besides within the us are boosting women's income Particularly in south africa and egypt but in other Companies as well the report by the world banks international finance corporation suggests that ride hailing apps ease women's entry Into the transport industry So I guess You know if you think of it in terms of these sort of incumbent industries where most truck drivers Are not women. That's kind of a good thing, right? It's you know, it's it's uh, it's Easing some some some borders that have been in there for some time However drivers for ride hailing companies uber and lyft get a medium profit of three dollars and 37 cents per share And that's before taxes a research study by the massachusetts Institute of technology studied analyze fiscal data from about 1,100 independent contractors In independent contact drivers according to the report Under 75 percent of drivers earned less than the prevailing minimum wage in their states 30 percent said they lose money when you account for vehicle expenses Wow, so 70 percent are making money No, the 25 percent of them are 30 percent said they lose money. So that means 70 percent are making money Oh, right. Well, well, they're actually coming home with a positive gross income But you know a lot of these arguments say well, it's like once you factor in The the the damage done to the car and the time invested and this and that it's all what a math You know, uh, you go to water burger you give one thing somehow you spend 20 bucks When you're in the business of telling other people what they should do with their time It's easy for you to say, oh, but you don't realize that you're gonna pay taxes You don't realize that you're uh running down your car by operating it and all this stuff But i'm gonna say this let's say let's say 100 of them are making less than the minimum wage These are all rational actors and they're doing it for some reason and I can run a thought experiment where it's like Would I rather make minimum wage at mcdonald's or would I rather make slightly less than minimum wage? Calling my own shots picking up my own ferris deciding where I want to go when I want to go Driving as much or as little in my own car It's like I can be like, uh, yeah, I'm okay with that and that's about three dollars and 37 cents Is more than slightly under minimum wage for most areas of the us Uh, yeah, I don't mean that's quite low 337 per hour if you didn't catch that folks Yeah, that's two cents more per hour than I made when I started working at the radio station in 1986 It's it's 13 cents less than I made as a fry cook at the age of 15 I mean when I was 16 the minimum wage in california was 425 because that's what I made So this is low It's that number is so incredibly low that it really makes me want to explore how they how they came to it And whether or not it reflects people who are doing 40 hour weeks or whether it includes people You know lucky lose who maybe do two or three hours a week or something like that Well, no, they did they did a they analyzed fiscal data from 1100 independent contract drivers Uh, so it's it's it's raw data And and I think what it gets to is that there is a way to make money as a driver But not everybody's gonna make that uh, and yes, they're all sort of rational actors I bet a lot of this has to do with people saying let me try this Not for me. There's a lot of turnover among drivers who try it out and say Okay, this is this is not working and I've I've taken enough rides and talked to enough different drivers That some are definitely making it work for them. But there is a trick to it Uh, and and I don't think it has to do so much with they don't know that they have to you know, include Vehicle costs and things like that It's it's just a matter of of how you drive and where you drive and whether the demand's there and how many other Cars there are on the road, etc And and really, you know the Well, especially in la because a lot of people have side jobs, right? It's like trying to be an actor, but I'm a waitress as well. Great, you know, you're you're in good company But I think for a lot of folks Saying I got three hours to kill, you know, I've got this this job on the side That is not necessarily a bad thing, you know, even if you're not making a ton of money doing it It's supplemental income if you want that to be your actual salary Uh, you're well depending on how much money you need to bring in every month I mean it sounds somewhat dismal at the same time because this all seems to be a stopgap until Autonomous vehicles end up, you know being the fleet that we're using sure, you know, like sooner than later You know I mean I kind of feel for these people who are hoping that this will be their livelihood It doesn't sound like for the majority of them It's bringing in, you know, the money that they probably hoped So it also sounds like it's going away pretty soon. Let's let's look at the positive sides of all this Let's say that it's nobody's career But it's a wonderful transitional opportunity if you're somebody who worked out of the house Or you have a loved one to take care of or or your inexperience in the workplace Unlimited flexibility on your hours unlimited flexibility on the ability to you know to be listening to Self-help informational materials or whatever. I I'm assuming I'm making that part up But it makes me think of there was a paper from stanford called the gender earnings gap in the gig economy Evidence from over a million ride share drivers And you would think in a completely automated app environment Where it just matches people and gender is not a factor across the board You would think both men and women would make the same amount that there would be no gender pay gap But instead they found one and uh, there's a fascinating about an hour long piece at free economics.com That's very worth listening where they break down. What are all the reasons that would account for a gender pay gap and Much like in the workforce Women tend to prefer They tend to value flexibility of schedule over men and so they say that factors in they also figured out that as drivers Men tend to be more comfortable speeding than women So as a result men tend to scoop up more fairs than than women But at the very end, uh, they they kick it, you know The gap as they figure out each of the different vectors got smaller and smaller And then they said and none of this data factors in tipping in which case We know that uh that that tipping has biases of its own and women tend to get better tips than men And so the question posed at the end of this free economics episode is wouldn't it be uh strange if if the addition of tipping May that pay gap go to zero based on a a equivalent playing field Yeah, and now that uber has tipping in the app as well Which lift had from the beginning I think uh, at least for a long time Then we'll be able to to look at that data. That'll be really interesting G pig also points out that one of the problems is you're paid per job not by hour So Comparing it to an hourly wage has has a little bit of a lot, you know oranges and apples element as well because You may be fine making less over the period of time because you can sit parked and read a book for a while This would be time that you would spend down anyway and and like you said brian You're monetizing it as a supplemental income. I'm really curious What's the conny right who writes the your private driver column at daily tech news show calm We'll have to say about this. We we just didn't get in touch with him before the show I don't know what I was thinking, but we'll we'll find out from him because he actually Was a uber and lift driver. I believe he still probably does it from time to time But it wasn't enough for him to keep going. He had he had to switch careers Well, and we talked recently about the idea that uber and lift drivers can get around Some of the restrictions that the apps are trying to put on people so that they don't Stay up to stay up too long and drive too long and make it unsafe for themselves and others There are ways around that and a lot of that has to do with the fact that If you were making the money that you wanted to make he wouldn't be driven to to you know potentially put yourself or somebody else in danger because You know that what you're bringing in is yeah, I don't want to over represent I don't think too many of the drivers as we heard from e-mailers too many of the drivers want to go beyond those limits But but yeah, that is that is something out there to consider as well Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit submitting stories and vote nonum at daily tech news show reddit.com We've got some great conversations going on at the facebook group as well facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show and let's check the mailbag. Sarah. What do we got? Let's this comes from Joe He's a solar engineer who says I had to write in about the teacher from Ghana as this region is the same region That we are working in to put in solar micro grids Our office is in kumazi, which is the major city nearest to where richard Apia a koto. Sorry if i'm getting all this wrong teaches This is not just a digital divide There are many schools and villages without electricity just one or two hours from kumazi also on a side note It's actually home to one of the best technical universities in africa the kwame nakirma Institute University of science and technology despite obstacles some students Hopefully many of them will go on to university. They'll probably have to use a computer So the students of richards Have this visual as a desktop where you have a little preparation at least However crazy to me that these students have to pass an ict exam without access to electrical Uh electricity or a computer at all And then he goes on to explain a little bit more about uh, what's going on there, but but yeah Yeah, he's got a picture of one of the the local classrooms uh outdoor air classrooms near him Uh, and this all goes back to the the teacher we were talking about yesterday who took a picture of himself You know explaining word for windows on a blackboard because he didn't have a A computer to show people on uh and just the ingenuity uh that that took so Thank you. Joe the solar engineer Also, uh, I was saying quad while apparently it's pronounced kojo like saying jojo twice, but with a k Oh, I didn't know that either. Yeah So thank you joe. Yes. Thank you joe and also. 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Yeah Oh, that's amazing. Hey man, that was so much fun. It's I yes. So guys good show Let's let's not let it be so long. Let's uh, let's make this a thing. Yeah, let's do it again next week Yeah, what are you doing next friday, brian? Uh, I'm appearing right here. I believe actually because i'm over here Yeah, yeah in fact, I liked it so much. I'm gonna come to you next time You're like, let me tell you what kid you got the goods. I'm coming out Let's all go roger. Let's go to austin. I'm just getting gotta hold on the fort It's funny how much uh, as far as time management goes how much having a new project Allows you to justify all kinds of appearances and investments of time Like now that I have something to bang the drum about with the modern road dot com and the articles It's like the answer is back It was for a long time. The answer was always yes And then at some point the question the answer was wait, why am I saying yes? And then it was like No for a while. That's fun. And now i'm back to yes. Let's say yes all the time. Yes Yeah, I I I've definitely been through that cycle myself where it's like, ah, there's the yes Then there's like I want to say yes, then there's like I don't want to say yes And then there's back to like I think I can say yes again Uh, well, I'll tell you what I know you guys hang out for a little bit But uh, I've got a date with my lady. Would I would I be a bad guest if I if I appeased out? Uh, why for daughter? Um, hey, man, uh, that's a little too much Uh, this this time it happens to be my wife tell bonnie. I said hello You are a bad guest, but you wouldn't be the first one. No, you're not you're not at all No, do you know that my daughter is about to turn 14. I know 14 years old. That's nuts. Is that your oldest kid? Yeah, yeah, she's 14 I mean Ryan's only baby daughter as I first met her as as is 14 as a former 14 year old female Get ready I know You're gonna have a few tough years It's funny because like we're trying to We're trying to have all those challenging adult kid conversations right now while she's still listening And she's like, I don't want to talk about this. I don't like boys. I'm like yet You don't like them yet. Don't like them today. You're gonna wake up tomorrow and it's gonna be Just Are you gonna be confused and mad? Uh, she's she's at that age where uh, I don't know if she's uh, uh become an adult yet So, um, but but but but you could tell like once a month A hormonal surge and and and and it's uh, you know, you're like, wow, she's really Oh Okay, yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, there were um, and you know, of course every kid is different in my experience though 14 through 17 rough stuff Yeah, it's uh, it's it's also, um, you know, I don't know if it's an artifact of it being the 21st century or just us, uh having um, you know, I assume a lot of this information was around 100 years ago, but just under different names uh, but you read these books on Uh behavioral development and there becomes an age where it's appropriate For kids to start wandering away from the tribe and asserting their independence and refusing to cooperate and testing boundaries and all that stuff And and when you read about it in an anthropological Context it makes it easier to accept in the moment It's like I I don't take it personally when she when she shouts at me saying this that or the other thing Instead I just it comes in and I was just like, oh, she's asserting her independence. She's testing boundaries This is healthy for her age and where she's at right now And so my job is to not overreact because that's the only way I could screw this up is by freaking out But it's really hard sometimes. I bet he's smart enough to know the right buttons to push And it's different seeing it happen even as a sibling Uh, or a friend or a brother or whatever then it is having it happen to you to have your daughter say those things to you I can't imagine Yeah That's different. That's a whole other set of patience Uh, roger how old is yours? She just turned three. I She's almost 14. Yeah, she's almost 14. She's already pushing boundaries and three going on 14 Uh, disagreeing with us and jennifer garner movie Like, you know, when you ask her don't do that. She does it like Like don't pour don't pour out all the toys on the floor She'll take like three baskets full of toys and just and when she dumps Straight in the eye Like a boss. Yeah So i'm like she she looked at you. Didn't she afterwards? No, she just stares at me just with the with this like She didn't grin and she's what are you gonna do? Yeah, what are you gonna do? Put me out on the street? You're not going to I'm three They're uh, they're like scientists with no previous Uh background like like a scientist with no access to history's texts. You're like, well, I guess I gotta figure out everything That's what testing boundaries is right? They want to see the cause and effect and they want to do it repeatedly Part of it for you know shits and giggles But the other part to see like how far they can push it before I get upset like really upset And and how often does that happen because I don't really see you like lose it ever Uh, it but I'm also not your daughter. It depends. It depends on how how long have been up Like if she's in pain and some it does I and she's screaming it doesn't bother me But if she's doing it on purpose to get her way, it bugs me. He means it bothers him in a different way People he cares that she's in pain He doesn't get mad at her for screaming is what roger's doing. Well, I yes, I I I move from concern into Well, Brian, I know you got to go but uh, thanks man. This was awesome. Uh, dude, thank you so much for having me I will come back anytime. Uh, let's not be shy about hanging out again. Yeah, yeah And have a nice date night. Well, thank you very much. Bye guys. I'm gonna go see auntie Donna Have fun He's gonna see who auntie Donna the uh, australian comedy troupe Oh Cool I've heard I've heard of them. They are funny. They have been in this very room before Have they yeah, they recorded a night attack episode with brian and justin right here Uh, that's cool. They were in the los angeles Big title anytime. Uh, I picked diet phone Okay, because the conversation was too good to interrupt But uh, what else we got just you know to to spread the love around Well, we also had the voice shopping of a new generation um The record uh, record the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity Opportunity would have to uh, fix opportunity Uh rovio's angry investors I was trying to find one with the the the the discussion topic Then see one You want drives with that? I don't know. It's weird. It's it's it's You know that I don't know It's I'm wondering if you can combine everything Like all these gig economies into like one full door-to-door service Like oh, I'll pick you up from Ikea and I will assemble your Ikea furniture And then you know like and I well while that's done. I will you know Get you a dinner and yeah, yeah Angry birds and really appeared to know light side of the phone I don't know. I'm like the thing what I had with the light phone is why wouldn't you just get a flip phone or a feature phone? Well, I actually get the light the original light phone as an accessory. It's a little expensive But I get it as like you know what I want to make sure I get calls I don't want to be tempted by my twitter and instagram I just want to be in the moment and and uh, I need longer battery life So I'll have my calls forwarded to this small phone. It's great. Like I actually can see that I guess I see light phone 2 as the extension of I also need text messages But it that's why I said like I wouldn't have done the like maybe driving maybe this because that's where it starts to be like Well, wait a minute now. It's just a less functional phone for $400. I could get one that does everything Yeah, no, I just I I'm one of those people that will try to Take something and make it last as long as possible And so I had like the same motorola flip phone for like six years That people are like, hey, I can do this with my smart phone. It's like, I can't But I can get calls and I can get texts um Yeah, I don't know. It's really weird Something like that just the I just remember the conversations we had in Las Vegas with some of the lift and uber drivers Just cobbling to you mean about the flight museum at the Las Vegas airport Yeah, that was that was I guess that could be considered part tour guide For an extra 50 or you're saying you'll miss those kinds of Conversations. No, no, I'm just no autonomous cars come. Yeah, like, um Because a few of those drivers were doing it to to top out their regular work, which is yeah almost everybody I talked to is either Uh supplementing or they're uh in between, right? They're like, oh, I'm going back to school soon Or I'm in between jobs or you know, but I rarely run into somebody who just does it all like that's that's their job And even even those advertisements that you started to see for uber They bill it as like so and so is a chef and then after hours he drives for a little bit to make a little extra cash Uh, they they really aren't billing it anymore as a as a thing Like that you you can just do and make money and and I you know Brian brought up a lot of good points about why maybe it's not as bad as 337 makes it sound But it definitely isn't something you're going to you know be able to rely on to To feed you know in a way. I know it might I don't know if this is the best analogy It kind of reminds me of recycling like my dad used to make me recycle all the cardboard and glass and aluminum For money. Yeah, you get money. It wasn't you weren't going to live off of it But yeah, and it probably wasn't even making you much more than minimum wage if you spend Less than minimum wage. Yeah, it was like, you know, you have all this cardboard. You have all these glass all these Aluminum cans, you know might as well get some value out of it Brian said they were rational actors. I almost went down that rabbit hole of like Oh, no I saw your eyes Because you have that like wait a minute Are they though? Are they all rational? Um, they're probably more rational that I would Give them credit for sometimes Okay, well, I think This I'm sorry. I'm I stopped talking. No, of course. Yes. You should stop talking. In fact, we should go so you can rest No, it actually it was hopefully it sounded okay. I I Yeah, the show was great at a certain volume. I'm like, I'm fine I just feel uncomfortable not yelling because I am a natural yeller Well, stop yelling. Well, well We'll see everyone monday with