 So I say with all love and warmth, that part of the concern also for people who are progressive thinking and liberal-minded or just progressive thinking in terms of just fix it, fix it is that we all have these posters in our closet that is attached to a stick that we sometimes will cart out when we're talking about criminal justice policy and those statistics that you first heard when we opened it up, incarceration and we run around with these signs, build more schools less jails, build more schools less jails and we walk around everywhere, build more schools, we protest, build more schools less jails, put money into education not prisons. There's a fundamental problem with that approach in my opinion and it's this, I agree with that conceptually, but you have not addressed the reason I have three padlocks on my front door. So part of the discussion about reform of criminal justice policy has to be an acknowledgement that crime does occur and especially when it is violent crime and serious crime, there should be a broad consensus that there should be serious and severe and swift consequence to crime.