 This is Jamie with Out of Bounds with Jamie and Abby. Today we have Maddie and Tay with us and we're so excited about this. Yes. We are pumped. They are a female country duo with multiple number one hits, a loyal fan base, and a household name in Nashville really. Congratulations. You guys have had a great journey and we're excited to talk about it. Oh, thank you. I know. So sweet, but an intro. I knew I was rushing. It has been a crazy journey but I would not trade it for the world. The last one for sure. Sometimes we just like look at our life and think how in the world did we get here? And then there's some days when you're like stranded on a broken bus and you'll know where and you're like, how did we get here? You know? Start us at kind of the beginning of your relationship. I know you guys did not grow up together, right? But you met in a kind of a crazy way. Yes. So we were both going to a vocal coach. He had a place in Dallas, Texas and Houston, Texas and I'm from a town close to Houston. And so I was going when I was 15 to go just see if I even, like my family always thought I could sing but I think it's different when you go to like a professional. He was not a professional playing, but you know, stepping stones. And so Tay grew up in Oklahoma and she was going to his Dallas location. So he kind of introduced us and we hit it off as friends initially. We had really similar interests in like artists and music that we loved and albums and songwriting and Tay hadn't really started writing songs yet and I had kind of started that and taught myself guitar and all that. And I was like, well, you should come to Nashville with me because you'd love it. And just the songwriting process. And so really once we got in the writing room together for the first time in 2010. Oh my gosh, yes. Yeah, that's crazy. 11 years ago. That's nuts. Wait, how old, so you guys were in high school? Yeah, I was 15 at the time. I like went through my freshman year but by the time we had met, I was like, I am done with this school business. Because we were traveling back and forth to Nashville every other weekend. And to be fair, the school system was very different where she was from than it was like. I was given lots of resources. We had choir. She had nothing. Not even no band. No nothing. It was no band. Yeah, there was about 40 people in each in my class. No kidding. So like you didn't. It's tiny. Of course you wouldn't want to go to school if there's not like a no. So I just wanted to pour all of my time in music. And that's yeah, that was the best option for me. How old were y'all? Whenever y'all decided. I mean, I know you said at 15 y'all started doing that. But how old were you as children when you were like, oh, this potentially could happen? It was, I've never thought or wanted anything other than music. It's kind of, it's only a God thing. That's the only way I can describe that. Since I literally came into life on this earth side. It was like music, music, music. I was fifth grade actually. They had a career day at school. And I came home and I was so upset. Cause I was like, mom, they didn't have an option to be a singer. Like what the heck? And my mom was like, well, you know, you don't really go to college for that. And so I was like, perfect, I'm not going to college. And it was that day that I decided. And always, I always knew I'd end up here. Yeah, that's incredible. It did your family saying, like parents saying or anything like that, either one of you. My mom can sing. My dad, not so much. He likes to cry. But you know, he can like hold a tune, but he's like, he likes to sing by himself. He would never sing about it. That's hilarious. But my mom did like a lot of choir and sang at weddings for extra money and stuff like that. But for me, I, so the beautiful thing about art, like just friendship and partnership and all the things. Tay is like the dreamer, like head in the clouds in the most amazing way where she will like envision the biggest dream and go for it and get there. And for me, I'm a big dreamer too, but I'm super like the logistics. I have to like. You need the steps. Yeah, I need to. Okay, so we're going to do this to get to here too. And she's like, no, we're just going to do it. And so it's this perfect way. Cause like for me, I had like backup plan, ABCD, all the way down the alphabet after we decided to move to Nashville. I got my diploma senior year. Five days after I got my diploma moved up to Nashville and we just were writing like two or three times a day every day for about a year. And just building up our catalog of songs to present. And so, yeah, and Tay was like, we're doing this. And I'm like, I guess we're doing this. You need both sides though, right? Yes, cause I would not have moved to Nashville. Tay wasn't so like, I'm going. I'm like, okay, well then I guess I'm going cause we are a team. So then we moved to Nashville and yeah, then God kind of just took over the rest. Yeah, I love it. So I did watch your reframed, which I think is fantastic. Thank you. And in it, you were quite nervous when you moved, right? Oh yeah. And like got homesick. I cried every day for six months. Like I mean people typically are like, I moved to Nashville and it's so exciting. So awesome. And that was probably more of your experience. Tay was just so excited. And I was just freaking out. Like I just felt so, yeah. I just, I think the reality set in of like, oh my gosh, I'm a thousand miles away from home. I have no one. I have Tay and that's it. And I can't really know plan B. Like at that point. Yeah, the plan B was gone. I had nothing else. And so I just like, I just felt so lonely and like it, it sounds so fun, but in the reality of it, that was, that was like, when I really started my relationship with God, like I've always had a relationship with God since I was a little girl, but like talking to him every day because I was so lonely. I was like, Lord, it seems like it's just you and I. So let's have a chat. Just a chill. Did you guys, did you guys live together when you moved here? We lived close to each other in the same complex. Yeah. And that was actually something that I'm glad that we did. We already knew how to give each other space. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I think if we were like living together and everything, that's just too much. Too much, yeah. Also, Maddie is deathly allergic to cats. And at the time I had my like childhood cat live with me. Oh no way. And so I couldn't go over there because I'd be so sick. So if I was like having a meltdown, I'd be like, I'm just going to have allergies because I just need to use the phone. But that explains why you were lonely too. I feel like there's a reason you like go to college at 18 and live with like four girls in the same like room basically because being alone is hard. Being lonely. Especially at that age. Oh, it's so hard. And like my now husband, I was dating then and you know, not being close to him was hard. And like, I mean you definitely have to sacrifice a lot. Anyone that like chases down a dream, not even just music, like in general, if you're not down to sacrifice, like just about everything, then just do something else because you know, I think that's what will separate you from like, it makes you great, you know, it really does like being able to figure out what that means. Yeah, exactly. And y'all truly are the best of friends. Oh yeah. Yes, I love that. I love that. I'm not going to lie, I ask Haley. I'm like, come on, are they really that close? And she's like, no seriously, they're best friends. You know, I don't know what that is because a lot of people don't see that. I don't know if it's like reality TV does, you know, with the women fighting or, I don't know what it is. I think it's the horror stories of duos. Like literally you just see them breaking up left and right. Like they don't hardly ever last. Like in like, you know, trios and stuff. Oh yeah, like if Tay and I had, God forbid something happened, we had to choose our friendship over our career. Friendship, that's what we put it first. I mean, especially that was like huge for us in 2020. It was like no matter what happens, our friendship is number one always. Yeah, like we make time now after quarantine for our friendships. Like we'll do double, you know, dates with our husbands and stuff like that. As long as we're locked in, everyone feels locked in. Don't talk about work most of the time. No, we never do. You need a break. Are your husbands close, friends or? Yeah, they have fun together. Sometimes like I'm worried they're going to get into trouble so we do need to supervise, especially with Tay's brother. When it's Jonah, Josh and Mason. Oh my God, yeah. It's so much fun, but you just never know what they're going to get into. That's hilarious. And y'all did, y'all got married like within what, six months of each other? Three months. Three months, that's nice. So me and my husband got married in November and then her and Josh were February. Yep. How was that? Planning the weddings like together. I'm assuming y'all literally planned them together. It was, hers was a lot faster than ours. So we actually planned for about a year and a half because we were trying to plan around the Keri Underwood tour. But then once Tay got engaged, they were kind of like, so by the time they were planning, we were already done planning. So it wasn't too crazy. Did you plan on tour? Maddie had to, yeah. Oh, you did. Because, wait, you got off the Keri Underwood tour what, like, October? Two weeks before our wedding. OK, jeez. Oh, wow. So it was crazy. I mean, it was the most magical, exciting year ever, but it was still just like. We all both look gorgeous. I mean, beautiful. I enjoyed watching y'all on Instagram through the whole thing. I'd love to redo our wedding day again. Like, relive it. Not redo it. Relive it. Because it was so freaking funny. You know what's so funny is I never wanted a wedding. And even after having one, I still could do without a wedding. Yeah, really? I don't know what it is. Tay never wanted one, but yeah. So why did you end up doing it? My hubby wanted one. Did he? And looking back, I do love the fact that everyone that we love was in the same room and got to celebrate and witness our connection and our commitment to each other and God. But I don't know if it was just Josh and I, I would be totally fine. That's all I needed. That's all I needed was Josh. Yeah. Yeah, I always envisioned my, like, I didn't really care that much about like the dress or the flower. Yeah, you were not a bridezilla. You were so not. I just wanted an epic dance party. That's all I wrote. I mean, obviously, like, get married. Everyone say yes. Yes. There were champagne glasses broke on your dance floor. I broke it. You got it. I broke it. And then I changed into my white crocs. And everyone was like, oh my god, she's wearing white crocs with her wedding dress. I'm like, if you don't know me, but this is me here right now, like this expensive-ass dress with some crocs. I love it. That is so cute. That is so fun. But then, like, COVID kind of hit right after you guys right after you guys. Yeah, the day that we got, so we got married on a Friday, left for our honeymoon on a Monday, came back like a week later. And the day we landed, we actually flew to New York to do press. And that was the first time I ever heard of the word coronavirus. And I was like, what is happening? Was it March 3rd or something? And I was just waiting for her to get back. I'm like, she is coming in, too. I'll only for one week. What is happening? The tornado happened. Oh my gosh. Right before. It was so crazy. That was horrible. How did y'all manage, as far as with COVID, and obviously shows being canceled and things like that? How did y'all manage? I think I took it a lot harder than I definitely did. Yeah, when I found out that tour was canceled, there's a picture I took of myself. Why do we take pictures of ourselves when we cry first of all? I do that, too. I do. And I don't know why. After therapy, sometimes I'm like, oh my god, my face looks awful. Let me take a picture, too. And y'all, what's up, man? Jamie, we're going to have to start. I know. OK, so it's just a lot of things. I have a shared iCloud photo folder for this. I'm all for crying pictures. Yes, normalize it. But sometimes I'll be scrolling back and showing someone a picture. And I'm like, whoa, that was a rough period. But I took it so hard. I think, for me, that was like, there's a lot of moments in life where you kind of have to untangle the web of, I'm not what I do. I am who I am regardless. And when I found out tour was canceled, I just had a breakdown. I was so sad. I felt like we had just gotten our momentum back. And we were putting out our second record, which was five years in the making. And I was like, a broken heart was starting to do well. So then we're like, oh my god, is that going to get taken away, too? And I took it really personal, even though it was happening to every single artist known to man. And human in the world. So one night, Josh was like, who is Taylor? Not Tay. Tay of Matty and Tay, who is Taylor. And so I texted like seven of my closest people. And I said, can you give me a couple words that you think describe me non-music related? And so many people had just be able, you called me brave. Aw. So many words that just like filled my cup and reminded me that I am who I am. You're more than that, yeah. Yeah, that's what got me through. I would say my moment like that in our career was whenever our label had shut down. I think it's the fear of the unknown. That really freaks me out and fear of failure. Those are the two that like really still I have to practice like every day. But I think like our poor world, like just the unknown and the uncertainty. And like I just felt gratitude every day that I could pay my bills and that I had a roof over my head. And it really, for me and my husband we really appreciated things differently. We appreciated time with family. We appreciated our health. We appreciated, you know, all these things. And so it did kind of put things into perspective. But I do think it's very, I think everyone felt what you were talking about. Like I think I just experienced, I had to untangle the, I'm not what I do a little bit sooner because it was driving me crazy. I was like, I'm only Maddie, I'm Maddie and Tay. And then I'm like, no. Like, yeah. But it's such an important lesson. I did the same thing when COVID started. Like my business is Nashville Guru. And so we, we're restaurants, we're events. We're like, that is our business. I've been doing it for 10 years, like you guys had. And so it's like, I was like, wait a second. Something you built. If I'm not working, what am I? And I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm all these things, but like, I find myself, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. But it's so good because you realize like, we're not in control, you know? And that's okay, really. And you know what? Our biggest success came from being still. The year of being still was when Die From Broken Heart went number one. And we didn't do anything to make it go number one. It was just meant to be. It's such a great song. That's why it went number one. Thank you. But the odds were stacked, y'all. The odds against that song, like if we all go back and look, I mean, the odds are insane. It took so long. It had, it was on country radio for like a year and a half before it peaked. Like typically a ballad from a female in the summertime, it's like a death sentence. Typically for a single on the radio. Yes. And God was like, watch this, but yow. Okay, cool. Do you think it's because COVID though, and people were like listening to lyrics in a different way and it wasn't like this fun summer of like, we're out partying and drinking and like, yeah. I think cause we asked these deeper questions, like can you die from a broken heart? How can he sleep at night? Like, is this always gonna hurt so bad? Like those questions that you ask your mom or like whoever it is that you look up to and it just creates deeper self reflection, I think. Totally. And y'all, y'all write, y'all wrote that song. Yes. Y'all write majority of your songs? Everything. Yeah, everything. I've only ever cut one song that we didn't write. Really? And you do it by life experiences and things like that? No, no other way. I know. Oh my God, y'all. I got really bit in the butt by that whole thing because we wrote a song about something really personal to me and I wasn't ready to really share it with anyone. Like sometimes when you write a song, it just feels like yours and you kinda wanna just hold it here for a second and then share it with the world. Especially when you're in the middle of it. Yeah. That's the hard thing. When you're like walking through the pain or walking through whatever, working through it and then you turn it into art and you're like, wait, I'm not ready for this. Oh my gosh, I'm still, you know, healing and, but yeah, we went into the studio and I was like, I'm not ready for this. And I just sobbed the whole way through recording the song and I was like, that's what I get for writing about real life, dammit. Oh no. But that's the, that is the beautiful part of it is because it is so emotional and it's so real. Like that's the one thing I love about you guys. I met y'all when we first moved here. Yes. Five, six years ago. Yes. And Hailey told me about y'all. Now when I moved from Florida, like honestly, I wasn't country music. Like I didn't, Brett Eldridge sat in my suite. I want to say the second or third game of our first season. Wow. I didn't know he was. You know how much? I had to Google him. People love that. That's hearing. I love when in that position. Yes. I love when people don't know who I am. Oh, that's so bad. No, no, he probably appreciated it. It's so nice to not be like, ah, can we get a picture? You know, like just to like, hey, I'm so good, nice to meet you. What do you do? What do you do? And it's like, sometimes on planes when people ask that, they're like, what do you do? I own a touring company. That's what I always go with. Because I'm like, I feel like it's going to get weird. Honestly, sometimes when people ask me what my husband does, I'm like, oh, he's in sales. Yeah, I know. Because you just don't want the 5,000 questions. You don't. It's just like so much. And that's when I met your manager, Hailey. Yes. And we became fast friends just like. She's the best. You know, she told me that she managed y'all. And then I met y'all immediately after. Yes. And what I can say about y'all is what you look on camera and the way y'all speak, that's truly y'all. Like, you are so genuine. Thank you. So being 15 years old, all of a sudden getting this limelight, you can't tell. It did not go to your head whatsoever, you know? And that's amazing. I know. Sometimes it's a bad thing. Because we don't feel like superstars. No, it's like you're supposed to go on stage and be like, you're a star. But in reality, that stage presence is not, I mean, it's a part of us. But it's not like who we are in everyday life. Like some people get so like, oh my gosh. And I'm just like, what? What's wrong? Oh, oh yeah. Hey. Hi. I'm Maddie. Nice to meet you. Oh, right. I was thinking maybe there's a bug or something like that. But I just think that our job requires a lot. It demands a lot of attention. I just don't want to give up who I am for that. No, it's the only way to stay sane. I know. Yeah, T and I are always like, if one of us starts getting too big for our britches, we will knock each other down. And it's never happened. We never get, or if I say something, T is like, is that your ego, or is that really you? And I'm like, oh, it's the ego. You're so right. We check each other. We do a gentle check. I feel like we do that. Yeah. A gentle check. Oh my gosh. So y'all were pretty much love at first sight. I know we were. Abby and I, I'll tell you a cute story, because we haven't said it yet. We interviewed a couple of people to be my co-host. And one of the things I told someone that was doing the interviewing with me told her, I was like, we're going to do a test. I said, I'm going to order a cocktail at lunch and order one with me so that way I'm not alone. And let's see who orders one. Because I like my wine. I'm not going to lie. I mean, that's a part of me. I like my wine and reading. That's my love. See, that's what you know. I literally spent two hours in McKay's book store yesterday. So this is like Nashville Natives, McKay's book. I love it. Got to go there. So we went to Restoration Hardware, and they had the best Bellini's there. I've never eaten there before. Are you serious? Oh, y'all have. That's amazing. Let's go have some drinks. And the Bellini, what kind is it? I think it was peach. It's a peach Bellini. I ordered one. Carly ordered one. Sure enough, Abby ordered one. And I'm like, yeah. And then we couldn't stop talking. It was just, and I'm like, I got out of there. I called Carly, and I was like, this is it? I was like, we found her. Don't you love that? I love that as a woman. I don't know if men also experience this, obviously, because I'm not a man, but women, we have that gut intuition thing that is our superpower. And sometimes it's my worst enemy. I will literally have physical problems with my stomach. If something doesn't feel right, and I'm like, something ain't right here, I will feel it in my gut. But I think it's one of our many female superpowers. You know when you meet someone, and you're like, heck yeah. Locked in, this is someone that I want to dedicate time to and spend time with. And then there's some people where you're like, got a blast. That's what my sister said. Is it hard for y'all to make friends outside of the music world? It used to be for me. But I feel like you're the social butterfly now. What happened? You know what's interesting is I was kind of taught to fear women, because I was sort of taught that they would always be jealous, and I should be intimidated, or that they just wouldn't be genuine connections. But Maddie was the first girl I know that I met that I was like, this person doesn't want anything other than just friendship and connection with me. And then from then, having friendship with you, because it was hard for me to make friends in school. But when I moved to Nashville, I have so many friends now. And if I would have told my 15-year-old self that I would just have be surrounded by such strong, empowering women, I would have been like, no way, but I am. I love making friends now. Yes, I can imagine. Going to high school with 40 people. I mean, you don't really have a selection of friends. Exactly. So you either love them or you hate them. Exactly. And then the odds of there being mean girls in there are real high. It sucks that that's a rite of passage. Like my sister-in-law, she is 16. My husband's one of five. So she's the youngest. And she is the only one that hasn't had to deal with mean girls in high school. Maybe we're learning. Maybe we're all learning. I think we are learning. And I'm just like, thank God. It doesn't stop. I'm older than all three of you. And it doesn't stop. It's just not cute. Like, why are we doing that? But does your daughter experience it or has it gotten better? You know, it comes and goes. So far, it's been fine, both of them. I think we're all more educated and we're educating. Like, I have a six-year-old and she already has girl stuff. And you just, not drama, but you know, you compare to each other and you. And it's like, I think the moms are now teaching the kids. Yes. No, you're happy for them. It doesn't matter. Celebrating others. High five. Dang, good mama right there. But I hope we can end that cycle because it's so true. And I'm glad you're finding that people aren't jealous. And they're just genuine. And that's Nashville, though, too. Yes, I think so too. And I feel like you attract like what you give out is what you're going to get back. So like grumpy people are probably going to attract more grumpy people. Like, spiritual, good, happy vibes. Yeah, what is it? Your vibe attracts your tribe. Yes, exactly. It's like the most Pinterest quote. But it's so true. I'm going to just get it tatted on his eye here. Yeah, baby. And my tribe is Tay. Right, oh my gosh. I do have friends. I don't know if y'all feel this way, this question for the class. I feel like your time. Like, I really like to be intentional about who I'm giving my time to. And not to be like my time. But just like, you know, that's energy that you're giving. And if it's someone that maybe depletes you of your energy, is it worth it that those kind of things. I feel like all of us after quarantine, and maybe I'm generalizing. But I feel like I'm a lot more particular about who I'm spending my time with, you know? Oh yeah, it's part of getting older. It's like, you're just like, I don't have time for people that are happy for me and give me energy. And I don't have time for a nap. I need a nap. I don't need B.S. Especially the mamas over here. Y'all really need a nap. I don't know what I'm complaining for. That's the thing. It's like, like this weekend, I was shuttling to concerts. I was shuttling to the Williamson County Fair. And I'm like, oh my gosh. You know, it's just you don't have time. So when you do have time to do something, you need to make it meaningful. Exactly. Like intentional. Exactly. That's what I told. So Hailey, for people that don't know that, is our manager. She's our ride or die. She's the reason that we have gotten this far in our career. Her and JT, that team is just amazing. And I'm glad that we snagged them up. We started this thing with Hailey, where we like to like name the year. Where like 2020 was the year of stillness. So like just being still and letting be what it is. And I feel like this year is all about intention. Like career moves, like who you're spending your time with. Books, I'm reading like everything. It's almost like too much. But I like intention. I like intentional, you know? So what kind of books do you like? Oh, God. Oh, God. Okay. The next time we are having wine at this, because I can totally have a glass of wine. We could book club it so hard. Yes. So Tay and I are gonna, are we still gonna start our book tour? Oh yeah. Okay. You're doing it on the Kindle. Yes. So it's one of the- Oh, you're reading one. I thought you were gonna write one. You should write one. You should write two. That's on my book. Yeah, that's all Maddie. I didn't want to write a memoir before I'm 30. You should. Which is really ridiculous, because I'm 26, I only got four years. You can do it. You can do it. But you know, I'm just trying to manifest. You have a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. But okay, we're gonna start this book called The Sanatorium or something. I don't know, but it's the reason. You know what I'm talking about? Like I want to read it with y'all. I have it on my bookshelf. I'm gonna read it with y'all. Okay. And I need a book next. So right now I'm reading the people that we meet on vacation. Yes. Did you read that one? No, but I heard it's amazing. Even my 16 year old said, Mom, I see that on TikTok. It's supposed to be a good book. Yeah. What? What? How do you know this? I know. I'm gonna read it with y'all. I'm gonna read it next. Tay is your self-help queen psychology stuff. Love a good psychology book. Mine, I love like a thriller-y kind of thing. You and Jamie are on the same page. Oh, I love it. I like reality TV, reality books. Did you read the Jessica Simpson book? I did. No, I haven't. Girl. That was the best. You would love it. It was awesome. I'm a huge Jessica Simpson fan. It's so beautifully written. Great, yeah. But yeah. I actually listened to it, which I enjoyed. Because she's the one that narrates it. Oh, she does? Yes. That's cool. That was really neat. She talks about hard things in that book. She sure does. She sure does. That's impressive. But yeah, I'm a big thriller person. I used to be like a romance rom-com. And then, I don't know. I just haven't, I don't know. I just feel like I can always call the end things. And that's what I like to watch Lifetime or something for. I kind of want my books to be. Yeah, totally. Sometimes, I still like the rom-com only for like, especially the beach, because I'm. Like the escapism. The escape, exactly. Did you read something in the water? Did I? Oh my gosh. I have every, I want to say I did. Was it whenever the, I don't want to spill it, whenever somebody drowned? No one's drown, oh, maybe someone did drown. No one would be drowning. No, it's not. OK. No, but I think someone does drown, but I can't remember when. But basically, this couple goes on a honeymoon and finds like a duffle bag of like all this money and crazy stuff. Oh, OK. No, I have no idea. I can't get down with that. Oh, it's so good. I read it at the beach. That's what made me think. I have not read that one. What do you read between music videos and recording? I don't know. Writing and like, what is this happening? On the bus, in the bunks, now that touring's starting back up. So now, since we're going on tour with Brett, young this year, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have so many books to read because I don't have time at home because we're working, even when we're home, and then on the road and stuff. But sometimes I'll sneak in, I'll get in bed early and be like, oh, I'm so tired. And then I'll go read for like two hours and just gas. Like, I love it. I need to hear about the woman you got video because it looked like it was a blast. Yes. And that was their hubby's. That was in it. Yes, I love that. But what is that house? That's actually, I think, a wedding venue. But it's called the Cherokee Dock Estate. And they have weddings there. But it's literally a giant property with houses and pools. But it's Reba McIntyre's old house. Oh, it is. Because that closet, I was like, that has to be something like a history. Closet of my dreams. It was so fun. It's the Hannah Montana closet. Like for us, Hannah Montana was such a big deal whenever we were in high school. We were a little too old to be watching Hannah Montana, but we still watched it. For sure. But she had that rotating closet. And so it was like, we got to live out our dream. For me, it was Clueless. Oh, yes. Clueless. I love Clueless. Clueless, Legally Blonde. Those two, actually Clueless, Legally Blonde, and. You did risky business. Yeah, risky business. Like there was a lot of film inspiration. But basically, Tay and I wanted to make it like, just because the whole song, Woman You Got, is just about, as women, we have so many layers. There's so many facets to us. Like it's amazing. But it's a lot. And we know it's a lot. And so we just wanted to showcase the most extra versions of ourselves, like cooking in the kitchen to wearing stilettos in this Chanel outfit. Dogs. Oh my gosh. It was so terrifying. On my Instagram, there's like a little series of photos of me almost eating it, because it's like cobblestone with high heels. And these dogs were actually pulling up. And I was just like, there it is. And the director just kept yelling like straight face, like superstar. It looks sexy. And we're like sweating. And it's like, I'm trying not to die. Like, oh my gosh. It's not as glamorous as it looks, but it was so fun bringing that song to life. Oh my gosh. It was such a good song. Thank you. I loved your outfit, Tay. When you're sitting on the counter in the kitchen, I was like, oh, I would love that. That's my dream outfit, just sweat. I love it. If we could live in that, like if we could perform in that, that'd be great. But it's just not, like you kind of have to show up. Maybe in a couple years. I mean, I feel like you have to dress for the job you want. I don't know where I heard that. And it's like a couch potato. It's not what I'm going for. Abby and I were actually texting this morning. We're like, okay, what are you wearing? What are you wearing? And then I'm like, I don't have clothes anymore. I mean, I have clothes, but number one, COVID is like, you said it's the stillness year. It was the eating and drinking year. Girl. So now I got that. I got that you. 14, 15, and I got it off. And so yeah, it took a while. So we're like, we've got to do some shopping because we can't do this in sweats. I felt that same way. Like right when March started coming around, I'm like, okay, so when we're actually going to go, I need some clothes. We had no heads up. I was pale, I needed clothes. So typically in the beginning of the year, we kind of game plan, like January, February, and March are typically for us, like gearing up. Yeah, gearing up for the year, whether it's an album release or recording music and kind of like planning out our year. So when Taley was kind of like, hey, this is what the scoop is in March. I was like, I need some clothes. I ain't got no clothes. I mean, I do, like you said, but just, and you know, I feel like I have such PTSD from the beginning of our career, whenever we had no money because I would wear the same outfit like a lot. Our fans were ruthless. They were like, oh my God, Maddie's wearing that same maroon shirt. I'm like, dang, I haven't been home in six months. I can't, oh my God, yes, I would really say that. Yeah, but I think they weren't like our real fans. It was just people on the line. And I'm like, I don't have the money. How do you guys deal with that though? I bet it's hard. I kind of just stopped reading comments, honestly. I just don't take it personal. I realized that like people that treat people that way that they don't even know are in a lot of pain. Yeah, and that makes me sad for them. Like it makes me more sad. Trust me, I want to like throw punch all of them. Oh, I bet. But like, and not just for me, just for if I see ugly comments, I'm just like, but projection is real. It is so real. And so literally what Susie says about Sally says more about Susie than it does Sally. But it's a tongue twister. But you know, I feel like I learned that when I was like in third grade, but it's so true. Like if someone's saying something, it's the way they feel about themselves. So every time we read those comments, it's like, oh, they're having a hard time. But you know what's awesome about our fans is they go after them before we even see it. Like they are so sweet and protective and like they will be like, they'll message us like I reported that account and I blocked them and I'm like, yes, girl, you get them. So it is really, really sweet. Our fans are just like good, sweet, kind people. I miss them. I can't wait to like go out on tour this year and go and see them and hang out. I wish, you know, we can't really do meet and greets and stuff like that with COVID, but at least we'll get to do live music, which is it. Have y'all ever had like the stalker situation because that's something that I, you know, I think about a lot, you know, with my daughter having Instagram and both daughters actually. Yeah, no. We haven't had any bad stalkers, but I mean, I don't know. No, we've had it pretty, pretty chill. Yeah. I don't think we attract that many crazy. Well, in my personal life, like just in general, when I go to the store. Maddie attracts. Oh, I attract the weirdest, most odd people. And I just want to talk to you. Yeah, I've had that because they know who you are. They just brand them. Just, it's literally my whole life. I think it's a cancer thing. Like you're just, I don't know what it is. Like I'll sit at the nail salon and I'll get sat next to some lady and she'll just be like, I just got her divorce done. And I'm just like, oh my God, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, it's really weird. You're too nice. I have to, I've been trying to practice my, give it your best. RBS. Yeah. I just, I got nothing. Like I just can't do it. It's awful. My face looks too like, hi, come talk to me. I don't own it. It's what I love about you. It's cute. It's good. It's a good thing. I know. I have a lot of like crazy travel stories like taking care of strangers' babies and then puking on me. Oh stop. Oh my gosh. Then I got puked on twice in 2018 on Plains and I was just like, God. Were you holding the baby or was it next to you? So should I tell the story? Yeah. This is an interesting road story, shall we? So long, this is a very long story. Long story short. Our guitar player broke his leg on a glacier in Switzerland. That's a lot in one sentence, yeah. He broke his leg, had to be life-lighted to the hospital, emergency surgery. We played two shows without a guitar player. Oh no. It was just like traumatic experience altogether. But so on the way back, he was cleared from the hospital to get back to the States and we needed to get him back to get into another surgery, yada yada. And so I didn't want him to get blood clots in his leg. He had to put himself, he had to put a shot at every 30 minutes or something. So it wouldn't get his leg to keep blood clots from happening as this whole thing. So I thought I was doing the Christian thing and I gave him my first class seat and I took his economy seat. No good deed, it goes unpunished, okay? So I go back and it's a young couple with a baby and I'm like, got this in the back. I'm a baby person. I serve as parish in the kids. Yeah, yes, I would love to. I love babies, I love teaching them at church, all the things. So the baby's super squirmy and just like wah and they're trying to put the baby to sleep and so I'm like, hey, I nanny'd for about six years. Like if y'all need to eat your dinner or whatever, like I'm happy to help with the baby and they're kind of like wah. And then the baby was just so out of control that they were like, can you? And I'm like, yeah, sure. And so I'm rocking this baby and the flight attendant's like, oh, you have a kid? I'm like, no, and they're like, whose kid is that? And I was like, this lady over here, I'm just like rocking this baby. So I get the baby to sleep and they're like super appreciative, whatever. And so I'm like taking care of this baby for about four hours or just helping the parents because I'm sitting right there. Like I just feel like it's gonna be a better experience for me if I help them put the baby to sleep, whatever. Sure. And so at the end of the flight, just baby stomach was upset and just threw up all of me, had to throw away my favorite jacket, so sad. Oh my gosh. So those are like, that's like one of the many crazy stories on the road. It is fun. But that's so nice. You're so sweet. That's like a kind thing to do. Right, I just, I think I'm becoming less kind because I just, I'm like, it's backfires every time. It's totally backfires. Oh my gosh. Tell us about the tour. Tell us, when does it start? Yes. Actually, Labor Day weekend today. Yeah, Labor Day weekend, it starts off in Palm Springs. Caliville, I think, that's the kickoff, which is Brett's shebang. And I'm so excited. I know. It's definitely gonna be fun and interesting in a different way than we're used to touring, but we're so hungry to play live music and the fans are so hungry to see it that we're just grateful. How is it different, just like protocols and stuff? Yeah, I mean, there's like a lot of venues that are requiring vaccinations or requiring a negative COVID test. And I totally get it. And normally we do like three meet and greets, like one two before, one after and we get to see our fans hug their necks and like have some one-on-one time, but we don't get to do any of that. Yeah. Oh, that's sad. Yeah, that's sad. But we've been texting a lot with Brett because we're like, you know what? Since we can't see them, we just wanna bring the best show possible. And so we're super excited. We're gonna start talking about what kind of what we wanna do together and what the vibe is. And we've kind of put our set list already together and we probably should ask our fans if there's anything that they really, really wanna see because sometimes we'll leave off a song and they're like, what the heck? And I'm like, I'm sorry, dude, we almost have three albums. Like we're putting out a third album soon, so. Are you putting the third album out before or after your tour? After the tour. Yes, yes, yes. So we're shooting for January, basically. Yeah, we're doing a photo shoot for the album cover and we're kind of putting all the pieces together right now, so. That's a fun start to finish. How long does it take for an album to form? It depends. I feel like we wrote a majority of the album. Right now we've cut about what, 18 songs? Something ridiculous, which we'll scale back and make into one full project. But we wrote a majority of the songs in 2020, so that's like a year. And then this year we're doing the photo shoot and the album artwork and everything, so another full year. So probably like two years. It's almost like, I think from turning in the album to getting all the assets to getting all the promotion, like there's so much that goes into it. It's probably like a year, a year. I think it may take us longer because we write all of our songs and we're really close to it. And we're like super crazy perfectionists, which I think our team loves and hates about us because we have no shame. We'll be like, this needs to go back and be fixed. Yeah, good. And our team, I mean, they expect greatness from us and we expect that. Right, of course. And it's wonderful because then everyone is just like, all on the same page and working hard. I always feel like if the artist isn't outworking everyone else, like something's not right. Like it needs to kind of like start from the top down, like the work ethic. And then it kind of inspires everyone like, oh, they're working hard. They're being inspired and having ideas and stuff. And then it kind of just creates a good juju. That's awesome. So it was five years between your first and second. And then it'll be only two between these two, right? Yes, so between the first and the second was a lot of variable change that we were not expecting. That's really when we learned how to like, catch a curve ball like a champ. Yeah, because the record label closed, right? Is that what? Yes, and then like that happened and like anything that could fall apart that like year did. And so we were kind of just, it was like a, I don't know, I feel like we kind of experienced like 2020 feelings back then because we kind of felt like we lost everything and had nothing. And that wasn't the case, but it just felt that way. And then we kind of just had to rebuild and restart. And then our second album, it was like perseverance kind of paid off on that one. It was a lot of character building for sure. In your documentary on ReFramed, it said that y'all were, y'all were, you were wanting to go home. But then your first song, which the video. Girl in a Country Song? Yes, that video is insane. It's so cute. It's hilarious. But all of a sudden, that was so ridiculous, right? It just all of a sudden took off. Oh yeah. And you were, you were homesick at that point. Oh, I was, I was, I wasn't ready to like quit. I was just like, oh my gosh, is this, and I think every person that moves to town for the dream that we're chasing feels that way sometimes. Like even after you've quote unquote made it, you're always like pushing for the next thing. But I don't think I ever really would have gone home. I think I'm a little too stubborn. I think I would have stuck it out, but I wanted to go home. What is, what is like a piece of advice for, there's so many females wanting to make it in this industry. Like I'm sure you talk to your fans all the time who are wanting to be where you are. Like what do you tell them? I think time, like it's definitely not something that can be rushed. Like we are almost 12 years in to our career. And so you have to want it and you have to be willing to sacrifice some of the things that maybe you don't want to. And networking, you just have to know the right people and you have to be in the right rooms at the right time. You have to live, breathe and eat it. It has to consume every part of you. And then it's not always that way. It's just that way in the beginning. You just have to give every ounce of everything to it. And then once you get that burst foot in the door, then there's not as much pressure. It definitely gets easier over time, but just the grind in the beginning totally. Which people don't see, right? Like I always hear people be like, oh they just overnight sensation, like whoever they're talking about. And I'm like, they probably gigged for like 10 years and like crappy bar or something, you know? Oh yeah, well we were always too young to play the bars. So we just had to play in the street corners. Like we would do, like Puckets would let us play too. Yeah, cause it was a family restaurant, but like we were 17, like we weren't even 18. So they really couldn't let us. Yeah, so luckily God protected us from that. Cause I feel like, I don't know, it's a hard environment. Like that is hard. Those bands are out there for like four hours playing the same set like three times in one night and making like maybe a hundred dollars. Yeah. They're so good. Yeah, it's crazy. They are. I know they are. I know, so much talent. Yeah. For sure. Well I love it. Y'all are such an inspiration to so many girls. One thing that I don't know if, well I'm sure y'all would remember, my daughter has diabetes and y'all did something for me, for JDRF. Y'all had an ice cream gathering. Yes. So that way we could donate to our JDRF and I've never officially thanked y'all for that. But that was so amazing. And the family that met y'all actually reached out and was like, that was the best experience. So thank y'all for that. Oh gosh, our pleasure. I know. Amazing. We take pride in making sure that like when we do have those interactions, it's a good experience and memorable and fun and happy and cause there's people that look up to us and there's some little girls that we are their hero and I'm like, I need to be their hero for like 20 minutes and just, you know. Right. I don't know. I feel like. That was amazing. That's our job. That makes me so happy. And we're sitting down eating ice cream. Don't pull our leg, are you kidding me? Selflessly love to. I mean duh. Well, we appreciate everything for today. Of course. Thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on this and everything. Thank you y'all. Thank you. I love seeing women just freaking. Me too. Go for it. It's an adventure and it's, I mean, every time we see each other we're like, have we known each other before? I mean this is like. In a past life. Exactly. Sure. It's crazy. Thank y'all for having us. This was so much fun. Thank you. Thank you. Let's turn it up now.