 What's happening everyone? This is Neil Turbin and Juan Garcia from Body Count, Agent Steel, Evil Dead, and we're here at Rock Ferrani 2023, here at the Pins Bowling Center out here in the Valley. That's right, Studio City. Studio City, baby. Yeah. So it's, you know, me and Juan go back a ways. Like we were doing gigs back in, you know, San Diego, Arizona, all kinds of places. Absolutely, absolutely. And that was with Agent Steel, right? Right, right. And then we even did one with Evil Dead because we did House of Blues, right? That was a six-show. The Hierarchs was on that one. Yeah. That's the old House of Blues, Sunset. That was a great show. Academics Machine and Cage and Neil Turbin, it is amazing. Well it's so great to finally catch up with you Juan because I mean, you know, you're playing with iced tea and he's smart and he knows how to get people's attention and you need that in the business I guess. Yeah, he likes to say, I've been in your age, you haven't been my age, meaning he has a lot of knowledge and yeah, he's a very smart guy for sure and great lyrics, visionary. Yeah, for sure. Even the really, the rap stuff is fucking sick as hell too, six in the morning and of course all the other stuff. It's got to rub off on you a little bit after a while. Yeah, I mean I was listening to iced tea, the freedom of speech stuff back in the day before the body count record came on. I always envisioned his voice on a rock track and lo and behold he came out with the body count stuff a year or two later. So was it, how did you come into the band? How did you find yourself in body count? I was working at a record label and I've been friends with Ernie and DRock and Vince and those guys from back in the day and you know I was working on a DMX album, I was putting together all the music, I was like the director of operations, making sure all the clearances, the ISRCs are on the digital stuff, all this nerdy shit. Anyways, so then the label had a background with hip hop so I kind of a light bulb went up and I wonder what ice is doing, what body counts doing. So I contacted Ernie and Vince and they had ironically another work on some new music. I presented it to the label, they were more on hip hop side so then I turned it down to some other friends of mine and another record label, Sumerian records and they jumped on it right away. They wanted to sign the band and the manslaughter record came out in 2014 and then ironically enough they needed a guitar player so they hit me up to do a show with them with Slayer in Texas and you know one thing led to another and here I am. Yeah it's crazy. I was trying to help them out, get a record deal, I wasn't even trying to get in the band. So you knew all the guys in the band and then IceT met you afterwards? Yeah we were rehearsing and then you know we asked how I met these guys and stuff, yeah totally yeah. So it just kind of was like hanging out with the family basically at that point. Basically yeah yeah totally totally um it's been a great experience for sure. And did IceT work with you at the label at all for any reason or no this was the other guys that had the knowledge of that or just your friends before that? Yeah uh no he didn't work with the label uh before that. I've met him through body count and and next you know we're on stage rocking. That's great yeah. So is that you know changed your perspective? I mean you were playing in Evil Dead and you're playing in Agent Steel for years and of course you're in those you know those are your bands I mean you put in so much work to those bands. I was an IceT fan and I was always a body count fan because I saw him back in the day on the early tours so and friends with Ernie and Vince so I mean you know when you're a fan of the music you just get it right away you just you know what works and what doesn't and yeah it's great because in Agent Steel and Evil Dead you know there's so much involved that I had to take on hands on you know being in a band and stuff with the music and everything with body count it's just nice that you know everything's there the book and agent management's been there right you don't have to do everything yourself no you don't have to do everything yourself you know like just go to the guitar go to the stage go to the hotel room go to the restaurant go on the bus it's awesome man I mean you know there's a work involved but it's uh it's a lot of fun and you know I take a lot of pride in it because uh we're some foremost of my fan and the band I guess it's a lot easier to be a golfer if you're not having to also mow the golf course and right and then plant it yeah it's nice to you know I have texts and tune your guitars and here you go man and you get you know rocking these giant stages and stuff it's awesome that's cool well you've been there you know yeah sometimes but uh you know you're you're there and you're playing all these festivals you're playing all these tours and you're doing it and yeah as far as the album is concerned are you guys working on a new album new material yes uh the new record's called merciless and it's coming on 2024 um not sure the date yet I would think by June because we're doing a whole European tour we're playing rock and ring rocking park and and nova rock and all of June 2024 will be in europe so I would think the record would be up by then it's really up to the record company sure business got it yeah yeah so do you have songs are you co-writing in that band uh on the new record I did not co-write um a lot of stuff was done with Vince and the producer will and will put me and Ernie Ernie and and also uh what do you call it um ice of course yeah of course yeah you wrote all the lyrics and part of the music so no I think I was more hands-on on the uh record before current it's a one uh bloodless record okay bloodless record we got nominated for a Grammy that's awesome black hoodie which I was involved with and I was very proud of that good one and then ironically enough on the second in 2020 we we actually won a Grammy for uh the song bum rush at the carnival so you got one on the shelf that's good man yeah it's kind of surreal man I mean we I didn't get into music for that you know I got into music because for the passion but it's it's nice to be uh you know recognized and obviously uh a lot of it is because of ice you know of course you know he's a star and and he deserves it he's got good people backing him up that's for sure it's great it's a 14 yeah it's it's great to be involved and and wanted in the in a band like body count so tell me about agent steel John Cyrus so you I mean he's a great singer as we know for sure and uh you know you're busy and yeah he's doing agent steel now he is yes so how about that um you know he he was there from the beginning we we did a skeptics apocalypse came out in 1985 uh and uh he's out there doing some shows in Europe and I think it's great I think it's great to keep the name alive and and you know I'm a fan of the music I'm a fan of the of the album so I think what he's doing is great you know that's super and you know I mean it's I support it it's great that your creations are out there rolling and yeah you got evil dead as well playing yeah uh we've been working on a new evil dead record all year I I hope to have it out next year that's been a lot a lot of work any any title for it or any idea uh well song titles yeah we put out a single in April called bathe and fire um that's out now it's just it's a single it's it's not as uh fast as the rest of the material we just kind of wanted to throw people off with with something a little different um so we have 10 new songs um I haven't really uh talked about any of this stuff but um we the concept of the record is based around fear how the media and um powers that be always control with fear so it's kind of like a fear of everything kind of concept that how they keep us in line by pumping us the fear the fear you know uh so I can relate that's kind of like the concept of the record and you know um we got Dan Goldsworthy doing the album cover he's doing some renderings right now for us so we hope to have that out next year a few years ago they had a lot of fear going on oh yeah well I didn't want to get into all that but yeah that's kind of like the concept well that's one of the songs which is called I guess I can reveal it now it's called fear porn so it's fear porn porn yeah yeah fear porn and that's like a person who who's uh who's just binging on fear like the news everything around and that's an exclusive because nobody knows that no that's a song on the album for evil dead but now you know yeah fear if you don't if you didn't know now you know yeah you know what I'm saying you know now you know yeah and Juan Garcia man it's so amazing beautiful to see you brother I mean we go back away as we were hanging out our first time I saw you was and I was sorry at the country club with anthrax you were up there dude it was fucking I made fistful metal it was thank you man it was amazing it was an amazing show an amazing band and you're a great songwriter well thank you and we're still here and you know you're with a Grammy so now I got to go write some songs and try to catch up somehow you will and you will I mean maybe nobody'll hear it but at least if it sounds good I'll know it was maybe maybe I'll get like a hot press a mustard and a pretzel or something you know the at the county fair you know we're gonna bowl tonight yeah we're gonna bowl for Ronnie that's right what's your fondest memory or do you have any memories with Ronnie Dio I do uh one of the ones I recall right away is seen him live at the LA Coliseum downtown with heaven and hell well it was black Sabbath but they were touring the heaven and hell record and it's obviously was black Sabbath however it was just so different to have Ronnie singing the song so it's crazy I mean that's like the first it's just imprinted you mean you mean the Sabbath songs yeah yeah and yeah the Sabbath songs but I think they were doing some other stuff too yeah yeah beautiful I mean seeing Ronnie I saw him when they recorded heaven and hell uh in 1980 at NASA Coliseum movie that's that's crazy that's because I go way back but no but I do you know of course I mean Ronnie from the rainbow you know his rainbow material and but yeah that's the memory is the LA Coliseum and it was an impact having those crosses with that tour yeah the big process the slanted crosses the big ones on stage and then the fire is coming up when he's singing making those faces and his horns and yeah it's it leaves an impression when you're when you're a teenager for sure hey I think April wine I don't remember who opened that show I think it might have been April wine or head east when it was cool that was that was the 80s that's cool all day yeah I saw me ate in I saw blue ice to cult was black and blue that was the the show they have you know you could look at it online or something I mean black and blue show and I was there I was I was really young and my my family had to come pick me up because I was still that young and we were at the NASA Coliseum so they had to come get me at like four in the morning because that's when the concert ended well thanks Juan it's a pleasure man you're awesome man it's great to see you let's go let's go knock down some bowling pins it brought bull for Ronnie what's happening everyone we're here at bowl for Ronnie 2023 with the one and only Sean Killian from the band violence one of the amazing thrash bands from the base out you know from the bay area and Sean who is you know here with us tonight and you're telling me a story that is quite profound and an amazing you know your struggle to come back from yeah side man I had a medical medical condition a genetic deal it's called alpha one antitrypsin deficiency and alpha one antitrypsin is a protein that cleans your liver cells and your lung cells and it was 51 and I had full bone cirrhosis from the disease that's a genetic thing and then went through hell for about you know 20 months maybe and then got a what they call a living donor transplant so yeah I can't even somebody gave up 63 percent of their liver they went into the operating room before me at seven I went at nine they were out at noon I was in there till I think I got out like 10 o'clock at night and the next day I got up that I was in the ICU and you know my doctor before the surgery said oh we want you to walk so again I wake up get up out of the bed I wake up after two days of being sedated oh and the nurse is all I'm like I need to walk and she's all what are you talking about I'm like yeah I need to walk so I said so you're telling the nurse yeah I said well my doctor said I need to walk so I sat up and they got this killer walker with breaks and everything and like my surgeon turns the corner it comes as he sees me getting up and the nurse turned white like she saw you know Dr. Roberts was like well he wanted to get up yeah they want to clear you out of the bed so you can click it put someone else in there you can walk because a lot of people you know they'll lay in bed and not do shit and it's a great thing to get the muscles working yeah I was I was under for two days and when I woke up I fucking got up and said let's walk and push this troll around well that's amazing so before that happened you know you had this condition and you know you're playing with your band for years in the earlier days and I mean it got to a point you know you could tell me that I mean you had to deal with this this condition this personal medical condition yeah that basically was shutting you down I mean it was something that you didn't ask for it but it was I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy but here you are killing it with with violence I mean you guys are playing around the world and you're here in LA you're not even from around here but some of the band is right there oh yeah coming down in a ringer and bonded by blood I mean you guys are here because you're doing a show in LA yeah but you're also at the rock the bowl for Ronnie yeah here and you know so it's a rare occasion to have you come and do this and it was like oh yeah I'm doing that that's really awesome and you know so you guys had a benefit wasn't there a benefit in the Bay Area yeah that happened it was a big benefit filled that a lot of bands put on a golf tournament for me and that raised a lot of money and then we did a benefit show in San Francisco and it was crazy it was packed sold out some great musicians they all sang violent songs and then when did that happen that was like I think it was in January and my surgery was in March of 2018 so 2018 okay so they had a big benefit and then yeah raised enough money to so my family could still be my kids could still do what they needed to do you know because I wasn't able to work so but that money helped you know keep our lives normal yeah so that was kind of cool that's pretty amazing so so to be able to you know come back from the other side basically and you know re re-establish yourself in in the music world I mean well to reevaluate my life and say I'm not gonna lay on my deathbed and say I wish I would have done this or done that so when I felt better I sent the text to Phil saying you know we should do a show and he thought what do you mean like a movie go to a movie I was like no man we need to play a show this was like eight months after my surgery and and then we booked the the metro in Oakland it was I think it was April 13th but first show sold out and five hours so he booked Sunday a matinee show and that sold out in like four minutes so yeah it was like yeah we gotta we gotta keep doing this so we wrote the EP that came out last year let the world burn and it's had you know a lot of great response did some videos we're on the metal blade records and yeah that's really inspirational taking the music to the world we'll have to continue this so we're here with Sean Killian from the band violence we're here at the pins bowling center there's a big pin right there and uh if you got your bowling ball bring it on down because you can go bowling yeah cool bowl for Roddy so how was your bowling game tonight it was so so I'm not really a bowler that's all right I was yeah we'll be out on a Saturday and we have a bowling alley close to the house nice well be like I don't want to go to the house yet let's hit the bowling alley so I was bowling in the lane next to John Bush and it was funny because um you know we're talking and we're bowling and you know having a good time and so the end score John Bush and me we had the same score I won't talk about the score but we had the same score I'm like okay well you know I was hoping I get more but it was like it's cool John had the same score I had the same score we had fun that's what counts and we're here and we're here for you know good reason yeah we're here for you know the deal cancer fund bowl for Ronnie and it was an amazing night I just saw Wendy D on the way out and she's always so gracious and so it's so cool though that you know Sean is here with the band violence to play at 1720 right you guys are playing 1720 Saturday I think the doors open at 630 but there's a lot of bands some great LA bands war bringers are direct support so great great great band too yeah great band and so so you guys are touring or these are one this is our last show of the year okay we'll be going to South America in February I noticed there was a tour I don't know if it's advertised already is that already out there yeah for South America yeah I've seen that we got like eight maybe ten shows you know your memories of Ronnie Dio I don't know if you met him or if you had interactions with him because you're up there in the Bay Area so he's down here I saw him I forget what year it was but New Year's Eve they played the old Coliseum and Dio did and I went there by myself because I was like I gotta see Dio so you went on your own you didn't take anyone with you no no buddies no nothing I just bought a ticket and went and checked it out and but I did see him with Black Sabbath at the Cow Palace that was a southern rock band uh supported them but I forget the name of it but uh it was a great show and you know those are kind of things that you don't forget you know you want it to be there you want it to you know that was something you you loved and you appreciated it and and I feel the same you know it's like sometimes you just got to step out and do what you want to do because you you you know everyone else just decided to go somewhere else but this is where you're going and yeah you know and then it's like uh you know the guy's got was had such a massive voice you know it reached you yeah it touched you and it wasn't like he was this monster guy you know but when he's you know saying it was like it was pure power my first exposure to him was rainbow yeah me too with richie blackmore me too yeah it was just you know incredible one question I wanted to ask you about your singing how do you sing now as opposed to when you were first you were in you know you first established violence you know do you approach anything differently are you you know kind of uh you know are you stepping on the gas pedal all the way is it 100% 1,000% or is it you know do you did you do it in a way that was reckless back in the early days or is there any difference or I mean obviously you learn some things right so when I joined violence uh Phil and I we worked at the same place and that's Steve Zetrosuza I know Steve my bass the bass player Dean Dell we all worked at the same place a D came to me and said hey you know Jerry Burr he uh he quit the band and so we don't have a singer so I went up to Phil and found him and said hey you know I heard you just lost your singer he's all yeah you know Jerry's gonna change his life and whatever and I was like you know what I'll try that you know I never sang in a band never did anything and so uh he said okay I'll give you a tryout and he gave me the lyrics and I was like man these lyrics suck so I rewrote I wrote three songs eternal night was the first song I ever wrote the lyrics for and went in to do the tryout and everyone's like just go and fill fill in the band and the guys in the band at that time because Phil was in the band and the other guys in the band they didn't know if you could write or not they didn't have an idea or did they didn't I didn't know I could write this is great so I walked wrote some songs three songs and went and tried out and you know Perry the drummer was he's got a serious attitude which is part of who Perry is but they were all like this fucking guy think he is rewriting all the lyrics you know and trying out so I didn't get a call back or anything to hear from him a couple weeks later I saw Phil at Ruthie's Inn and I was like so uh what's up he's all oh you know Jerry just ordered to come back so then uh that's my Phil Demmel and so then uh a few weeks later they had a show at Ruthie's and they didn't have a singer because Jerry left again and so he called me well you want to do the show I was like well how many songs you know because I only had three written for that tryout and he's all well I think we got to do like seven songs so I wrote four more lyrics he already had the music so I just wrote my lyrics on top and you're writing the melodies too right the lyric melodies uh yeah violence doesn't really have melodies okay well it's all about hardcore because I kind of was influenced by a lot of punk got it but still a melody so yeah gbh and fear and you know we exploited which we're getting an opportunity to play with them that's great it's a hardcore melody in march at a festival in belgium nice so they exploited and us it's like oh my god are you kidding me and that's a cool thing about you know uh I never had like uh this intention to sound like anything other what was important to me was the lyrics so I wrote the lyrics it kind of came out the way it sounds because of the lyrics less than me going I don't want to sound like this or I want to sound like that I just wrote the lyrics and the vocal patterns with the music because it's thrash and it's hard thrash how much different Sean is the delivery of the music today the sound of the band compared to the original early sounds of violence I mean how how has it changed and I know you have ira black in the band now and I mean you have a strong lineup no doubt and we do just what is the the you know the sound difference to you as a singer and the leader of the band well when we uh recorded let the world burn and wrote that wreck that EP it was released last year um it was COVID so we there was no all our shows got canceled but we were like you know we're gonna get our fuck about that shit so we were in the studio just we took the time to write so it was just me and Phil Perry was in the studio and it was a rehearsal studio it wasn't like we were in some big studio and I had my little like 16 track recorder I could like hold under my arm and we just track stuff and you know the music and then I write the lyrics and come in and try it out and make some adjustments but it was always we need to be as hard as we were and we did eternal nightmare and oppressing the masses because uh anything less I think our you know hardcore fans would have been like wait a minute what are you guys trying to do but we did approach it with a more mature perspective you know where it's like yeah you know I want to uh I wanted my lyrics to my vocals to sound a little more deep but still not lose that sound and you know for me I remember a total nightmare came out there was no internet or instagram or facebook so you would read magazines and half of the reviews were this singer sucks and the other half were like oh my god you know so it was kind of like love it or hate it at that time so when we did uh let the world burn I was kind of like trying to mature relate to that but you had a mature approach and I meant to say in the last comment that I made you know lead singer of the band because there's no leader I mean you guys are a band so everybody's part of it so I'm not I didn't mean to impress upon people that you know everybody's working for you but maybe they are but maybe maybe if you got the check and you're paying everyone the thing is with uh I'm sorry I said that the thing is with me it's like we did uh um California U of Uralis I did a session uh what was it uh snort and whiskey drink a cocaine that's really cool and it all sounded like violence because my voice is violence and there's no I don't you know it's like whatever I put my track my track onto whether we record something or it's going to sound like violence because that's no that's my sound well you know you know something that's interesting is um you know people that love Motley Crue or they don't love Motley Crue or they they love Vince Neil they don't I mean whatever Vince Neil sounds like I mean you know it's Vince Neil I mean that's what I believe and when you hear Ozzy I mean you know it's Ozzy it doesn't sound like somebody else it sounds like Ozzy and whether they're the best singer or not the best singer I mean that's irrelevant because it's like that is a brand that is a a benchmark of a sound and having that versus sounding like every other high-pitched singer every other growling singer or every you know to have something that's unique or that's specific and you know that is really a signature right that that you have and to sing snorting whiskey Pat Travers I mean that is um that's an interesting song to pick but but it's cool that you guys did that and you know I love the fact that you step out of the box and do something outside of the comfort song because that's really it was because when I recorded when because Christian Oldie Wolbers it was just me and him in the studio all the music was recorded and it was just he and I doing the vocals and he's all dude don't try to sing this song try to be you know make it yours be yourself yeah and so that song California Uber Alice they're not like they're it's like they're ours we made it so it sounded like us I hope you guys do some more I hope you do some more of that oh yeah work oh yeah I love playing well you know I love punk rock so I love GBH you know I always did I love industrial music I don't listen to a whole lot of heavy metal these days because a lot of it kind of sounds similar to each other and so what heavy metal bands out there they've heard in the last number of years you know stands out to you not just because they can play well but you know from a writing standpoint is there some band or bands that you can think of that you know you you know what you listen to this band because they're kind of interesting or it does it's you know sometimes it might not be what's expected by the public but it's like well you just like this band you'll listen to them that would be behemoth behemoth okay yeah that's cool their goal the whole band they're so creative and it's like they've been around since the early 90s and for me and and I like other bands in that genre of death metal or black metal whatever you want to call it but behemoth is very creative to me and when I listen to them is there any lesser known bands that are maybe more underground or any bands that are totally in a different genre that are not even something that you think Sean Killian will be listening to I listen to Twin Tribes uh I love Susie and the Banshees well Susie and uh the cured old school Depeche Mode you know I like uh you know that post punk stuff or you know the dark wave because it's like the same kind of notes and the same kind of you know feeling in that music they actually have clubs in LA that um cater to the dark wave and stuff yeah so it's kind of cool you know I did that stuff it's because it's it's dark the lyrics it's a vibe it's a vibe and it kind of because uh we went to see Twin Tribes and Sacramento I forget what club it was but I got to talk to the two guys and we uh I think it was Joel the bass player he and I talked a little bit about oh you know oh yeah I just played this festival and I love the dark wave because it's kind of like metal just not you know with the fast guitars and all that and uh he uh mentioned a band um geez I forget the name of the band but uh we just played a festival with him like a couple weeks before and it was like yeah you know it's like that genre of music I really enjoyed and I enjoyed punk you know so you mentioned that you were um when we were talking a little earlier you were mentioning that you were working on new songs for 2024 yeah so anything you could tell us about um you know well um you're working with metalblade I believe metalblade records uh Heidi is our she's she manages our band with metalblade records great uh she's great she's she's a big violence fan and when she was younger and uh it's a great relationship and you know metalblade was there from the beginning and you know we were young guys and made some decisions about what label we wanted to be on uh metalblade was probably the place we always belong and so uh makes sense in California label originally yeah and we're right in uh I've written like three songs of lyrics you know without music so go record them on a click track so those songs now being studied by the other members or uh well I gotta go record them on a click track okay so you're still kind of working on it very on the early end of that yeah we're getting started hopefully we could release some stuff you know today's it's kind of crazy because you want to do an album but everything winds up digital on the internet or Spotify or Apple music whatever so it's almost like you release it's almost beneficial just to release one song at a time I understand you know and then maybe put that all together as an album later it's like what's old is new what's new is old it's we're back to the model that they had back in the 50s or 60s yeah exactly singles you know singles yeah yeah I mean back then it was it was what 45s yeah before that it was 78s sun records then it became 33s I guess Elvis and Elvis and Johnny Cash and all those guys you know sun records was a big you know part of that and I love all those bands so you don't so you don't have it where the rest of the band has really gone through the tracks yet or kind of nothing no but Phil has some music written that I wrote some lyrics over okay which is our typical format but I wanted to kind of change it up this time so you have a different approach to some of your songs because I want to make it more because it's always been violence I write over the music but which is a sense of a formula sort of yeah I made a violence way of writing yeah but now you have a different violence way of writing too so you have more than one way for me which is great because that just shows that you know you guys aren't stuck in one mode you have multi modality multi ability to step out of that you know Phil and you know Christian Aldi Wolbers I mean you're talking about some top-much guys most definitely Christian's done some serious stuff with fear factory and all your guys have including yourself you know you're well I've only ever done violence I never people go pretty successful it's like I never was in the band I just said hey I'll try that and I was in that band and that's all I've ever done when they fly you to places they pay you to play and they feed you and they put you up I mean that means something I mean you know they want to hear you yeah and that's great that success because you know how do you measure that well that that and it's like we'd ever really toured back in the day so right now it's like now is when it's happening you know we've been to Vietnam and that's amazing Thailand and Singapore and Australia and New Zealand and it's just about you know bringing that music to people so you're breaking new ground you're making new fans you're breaking new ground just like just like a brand new band just like a young band and the crazy thing about violence it's like multi generational so when we did our first reunion show at the metro in Oakland it was uh I was out we had a meet and greet and I think 50 people came to see us you know the meet and greet that was 16 year old 17 year olds 25 30 year olds and the young kids they weren't going oh my dad was into you so I am they were like oh I was listening to this and the algorithm popped you up and I listened to you and it's like holy shit I dug it and thought I thought I'd never see you and you know and now we're back and so wherever we go it's always this like maybe three or four generations come out to see us play well I really just like something it's really cool I really appreciate it Sean I want to be respectful to you and your lady we're here at the end of the night at at the bowl for Ronnie and I'm sure there's other places to go that you guys have other things to get a hotel and then practice tomorrow and then we'll be at grill them all tomorrow nice they made some violence fries cool that's at 7 30 and so we'll be there doing a meet and greet and then Saturday night at the 17 20 I'm pretty sure this will be out there by the 7 17 20 venue get date on the next day but hopefully this will get out there so people can go to the grill them all and um any any song titles or any album title idea yet is there anything that's even no in the in the works yet or nothing that's really concrete or decided upon or discussed or I got some titles but we don't want to press you if you don't have a no I don't want to put them out there because you know in the early stages of right yeah unless you have something change yeah yeah yeah but I have to ask those kind of questions because that's sure that's what they pay me the big bucks for you know yeah yeah but it's such a pleasure man I'm really honored to meet you and to have the opportunity to speak with you for the metal voice and um you know I want you guys to just keep kicking ass like you're doing because you know you're you've just you've come back from a place where people don't get to come back from and you're you're really true you know inspirational to me because it's like you know how many people can can do what you did you know what you're doing because it's like when you're when you're down and you come back up that's how I look at it it's like you know I do this I mean I don't do it to make money I do it because I love it because when I'm on my deathbed I want to say I don't want to have any regrets and you know if I didn't do this now I think I'd have some regrets thank you so much so now I'm doing it thank you brother cheers guys