 It's 7.04. I'll call them in order. We do have a quorum and we have one item of the agenda. The application by the state of Vermont petitioning our permit for an adjustment. And I'm gonna ask those that tend to give testimony before this board tonight to please raise your right hand and swear to the truth and the penalty is appropriate. My apologies. I was gonna say attorneys don't need to do that as you know that. Sometimes the transportation board makes me swear. So, I would. Really? What board makes me swear all the time? So the item before us is this petition by the state of Vermont. Age of transportation and this really has to do with jurisdiction of the state versus the towns. And they've recommended some alternatives to us in terms of our permit that we granted and the conditions. And so I'm gonna basically turn this over to Beatrice. Are you gonna start Tina or who? I was just gonna say that Jenny's our assistant attorney general and she'll be doing the, what we wanna say for the conditions. That's all I was gonna say. Jenny, can you just give your full name for the record here? Yes. My name is Jenny Ronas, R-O-N-I-S. I'm an assistant attorney general for the state of Vermont and I represent the Vermont Agency of Transportation. And I am here tonight to talk to you about the conditions imposed on the Berlin Park and Ride and our request for amendment of those conditions. I can give you a brief statement just, while the original proposed conditions on their face, unfortunately violate certain statutory authority between the state and the town, we definitely recognize that Berlin's interest is in making sure that the parking ride is adequately maintained. And we certainly take, there's no dispute here that Beatrice is responsible for that maintenance. We are under our own statute responsible for that. And so we're certainly happy to take it on. So the proposed changes are essentially aiming to bring the language in line with 24VSA 4413, which is limitations on municipal bylaws while still recognizing that Beatrice has the obligation to maintain the parking ride to a level that's satisfactory to all parties. So if you have any, if anyone needs the language that we're proposing and be happy to circulate it around, please let me know if you have any questions. I should point out that we've had a number of discussions with Tina and Jenny. And as you instructed us to, both myself and Tom, and I think this is a reasonable, my personal opinion, this is a reasonable compromise on the conditions, recognizing that arguably this town does not have statutory authority over some of these issues. And we thank them for their time. So I have a question in terms of definition of maintenance because at one point Tina had said the maintenance was like snow removal. And I was just wondering, Jenny, what is each of us proposing for maintenance? Well, so snow removal is a part of maintenance, but we also understand maintenance to include things like maintaining the landscaping, trash removal, things like that. Pretty much anything, Tina can correct me, but I understand V-trans maintenance to be anything short of construction activities, essentially. Okay. Thank you. Tom, did you have some comments? Oh, I think as you mentioned, Bob, we met with the folks from V-trans. And my personal opinion is that this is a good compromise that satisfies both the towns and V-trans needs. Okay. Jenny, did you have an additional comment you wanted to make about your proposal? No additional comments other than to thank you guys for the ability to have such productive conversations. And I hope that we can all come to a solution that helps, that works for everybody. Because as we mentioned at the last meeting, V-trans and the town of Berlin are on the same page here that we want to be able to provide high quality facilities for Vermonters. And so our ability to maintain our park and ride to a size faction of everybody here is a big part of that. I think, I'd like to speak on behalf of the board. I think the board is sort of speaking from a point of view that what's happened in the past is not necessarily acceptable in terms of maintenance. I personally observed drug paraphernalia laying around up there. I personally observed yard, garbage up there. And for weeks, same bags, same two bags. And we have some neighbors that have strong complaints. So, and I'm sure you've heard this before and I understand budget constraints and programming but we feel that something needs to be done to make this more secure and more plain. Well, if I may respond, I would, I admit that yes, during the redistribution of some of our maintenance districts, there was some confusion as to which district was responsible for the park and ride. And I do think that its maintenance was not up to the standards that we would regularly hold ourselves but as part of the work that we've been doing with you guys in the last few weeks, we've essentially made sure that we have a district that maintains response that is taking responsibility for this park and ride. I've spoken with Joseph Rizzo who's the maintenance of the district manager, district transportation administrator for district four and he's aware of the issues that have been going on with the park and ride. And he has a plan that he in order to do twice weekly sweeps for trash is what he told me but he also provides his contact information for you here because obviously folks in the, if things aren't up to the towns, if the town has concerns about the maintenance, then the best way to deal with this is to just, so that we can talk straight to the folks that are responsible for it. Where should I go? No, I think it sounds good. Yeah. Is everyone in agreement with the proposed changes to the conditions? Yes. Yes. Yes. If we have no further questions for the applicant, some requests to make changes or suggestions, I'm open to a request to adjourn the hearing. I move to adjourn the hearing. I'll second it. Motion to made, my poll is seconded by Josh. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Stretch the motion. All those who fail that motion, please sit down and be saying aye. Carla, aye. Aye. Holly, aye. John. Josh, aye. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor brief. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Before the board disappears, we have a couple of other items on our agenda tonight. Yeah. One is the approval of the minutes of September 1st, which I believe you all received. I wasn't sure. Christy, were you not done? I thought you were going to add to them or something. So I didn't really, I mean, I read them, but didn't you say you wanted to add to them or something? Yeah. I think she needs some input on September 1st meeting. Right. Kristi, you're on. Kristi, you're on. Yeah. I was just going to say that I apologize for taking so long, but I left my stuff at home and I did the minutes at work today during my lunch hour. And I didn't have the written testimony from from Chris and Mark Nicholson on the site plan standard. And so that's why I said the application, which I'm sure that's not what you really want. So I can put that in there. However you want me to do that is perfectly fine, but that was what I had planned to do after the meeting today. I didn't have time to read them today. I just saw them. Just, you know, just. Polly, Polly, you always read them. I do, but today I was watching my grandson. Much better, much better today. Yes. So I had a couple of comments with regard to the minutes. I'll go first if I can. Chris drank off. You had a parenthesis behind him. I would call him consultant. That's funny because I had consultant that took it out. He's a site technician, consultant, same thing. All around a good guy. I've known him since he was six. Other than that. There is a typo in the first full bar paragraph under new business. Yes, thank you. The. The. Yeah. Well, sort of. And. Got it. And in regard to the sections, and I appreciate you didn't have the stuff in front of you, I would like to do more than just see the application. Obviously, perhaps you could paraphrase the sections. Yeah. You're missing several sections 305, 3205, 30 or 6, 30, 207. So if you would just either paraphrase them or but I'm actually open to discussion. I don't want to make us have regurgitate the application. But if the application is stands as is, perhaps we could do some way of saying I'm open. Well, it's legal to do it the way she's doing it. But I understand what you're saying, Bob, because it what happens is then they're not stand alone kind of thing. You have to. I think we think we need to speak for my findings of that too. So yeah, yeah. So I would I would paraphrase. When testimony is considered to be adequate. In this case, we have written testimony, paraphrase. Yeah, they're written testimony and just, you know, point out that the landscaping and screening, no change or whatever. And lighting, no change or the lighting was there was a change. So I think I do think you need to include that. And now I understand why you did what you did. You didn't have the stuff front of you. Right. We accept what they had. But anybody see that differently than I do? No, I think the findings have to have it. The minutes have to have it because we have to have in the findings and therefore it has to be part of the record. Tom, do you see it differently? Oh, I do not, Bob. Other than those, those three comments I had. I had none. Does anybody have help for Kristi on the time of. The exiting of the. Little recession. No, I mean, I can try to read them in the morning, Kristi, and get you any comments that I have. Well, that's fine. We're not worried about. I want to say that you guys got came you adjourned about 828 and you went into the lower session at 824. And then I think I joined you like right as you were leaving. You did. So that would I mean, that was my that would be my guess. But I I don't really know. No, you're right. You came right at the end. And I remember that. Yeah, you guys are about the same time. I don't mean to. Yeah, we have a very brief deliberation. And then we obviously adjourned immediately there afterwards. The consensus was we were not going to deliberate the big guys. Right. Right. Yeah. So I could say you exited at 827 and you adjourned at 828. Sure. Where's to me? I'm not. I don't like to adjourn it. Pick a face who did the second. OK, we'll do using jobs. Johnson one always wants to want to adjourn. Yeah. And I wasn't there. So. Yeah, leave Josh out. Yeah. And I have the written testimony in front of me. So I will all revise that tonight and send it out to you.