 Call the 8th regular meeting of the Common Council of Order so which please call the road Bowman D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Nanny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron and Vander wheel 16 present forms present a pool of the minutes all of them Graph Thank You your honor. I would move that we dispense with the reading of the Minutes of the previous Common Council meeting and the same stand approved is entered on the record There's a motion to the second under discussion It's not all those in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries and a stand-approved pledge of allegiance I'd asked all of humanity. Please lead us. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and To the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Alderman Mani Next we have public forum sue Let's see here first on the list is Susan Hunley and Susan could you give me your home address, please? 632 Michigan Avenue Sheboygan and you will have five minutes. Thank you Thank You Mayor Perez and council for allowing me the opportunity to speak again tonight I would also like to thank the finance committee for allowing me the opportunity to speak at their July 25th meeting to explain the reasons I feel a room tax commission should be established for Sheboygan as you all know I've been lobbying for a room tax commission since 1999 so to be offered this time to explain the benefits of a room tax commission was a very positive sign for me So much so that I contacted my attorney and asked if this might be able to help resolve the issues of my lawsuit with the city Regarding room tax my attorney agreed with me that this was a very positive sign and there was an option I could use that could possibly resolve the room tax lawsuit with without continuing with the court of appeals. I had recently heard Ultraman cert estate that she wanted to let the tax paying public know how a local spa Business owner had been treated by the council regarding a parking lot I Think the taxpayers should be aware of what happened when my attorney contacted our city attorney with an option that could have Potentially resolve the room tax lawsuit and saved the millions of dollars involved if I win the suit What my attorney did was asked the city attorney for a 60-day hold because of a possible settlement I had informed my attorney to tell the city attorney that with my upcoming Opportunity to explain the benefits of a room tax commission I would in all likelihood be able to drop the whole lawsuit with no cost to the city He was informed by the city attorney that he would not agree to the 60-day hold because he did not feel settlement would happen I feel this was wrong. I do not think a decision this important should be decided by one person You the council should have had the opportunity to know about this offer Potentially stopping the lawsuit and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars if I win I still cannot understand why this request to get 60 days to resolve this lawsuit was denied Like Ultraman cert as Concernary guarding the parking lot. I feel it is important that you and all the taxpayers know this The opportunity for the 60-day hold is passed now It's gone the next time the room tax lawsuit is discussed will be by three appellate judges Who have no political ties to the city and who will review it with fresh eyes? The lawsuit is now a legal issue not open to negotiations I feel this is not in the best interest of the taxpayers But by denying my attorney a 60-day hold our city attorney left me With only one option the appellate court Remember the appellate court does not operate under the same political pressures as a local circuit court The outcome may very well be my favor But also remember I have tried now four times to settle this lawsuit Once before it even started and each time my attorney was told simply no no Negotiations. Thank you for your time Thank You Susan. You're welcome our next on the list is Carter Paulus And Carter could you give me your home address, please for one for Erie Avenue, and you will have five minutes, sir Thank You your honor for the opportunity to speak for the common counsel This came as a last-minute decision this afternoon based on some information. I just became in possession of Happen to be interested in fiscal responsibility period It just is coincidental that I am a member of the Sheboygan County Taxpayers Alliance And we are circulating a petition Because of the absolutely ridiculous price pulled out of the air for a police facility And at no time has anyone From the common counsel or any other source come across with any valid or explainable reasons how you got to a 17 million dollar figure which in reality is 18 and a half million dollars and I want to assure the council that we are going to keep on picking and picking until we get fiscal responsibility in this city Now let's talk about your 17 million dollars. Well, here it is folks 2005 cost estimates for building a police station from architects You should be building it for approximately six million dollars And you haven't even started talking about cost-cutting measures in lighting Communications and emergency lighting and all of the related fixtures that you need If you wanted the best of all you could probably go with about seven point seven million dollars So again the question is asked Where do you think you're coming from? This is really ridiculous and the citizens and the taxpayers of Sheboygan are fed up to there With the excessive taxes in this city and we ask you to become fiscally responsible and deal with the truth and while we're about truth I Am awfully disgusted in hearing about people putting out words That are on my opinion scare tactics What am I talking about well the 23rd Street site is Contaminated but when you look into it, what kind of contamination are you talking about? The public might think in terms of hazardous contamination It's not tree trunks are not contamination and today's knowledge in how to handle Things is far superior than it was even a year let alone two or three years ago So I don't like hearing about Contamination without a definition of what you're talking about Thank you very much Thank You Carter And that's it Thank you very much Attorney please thank you, Your Honor, I just If I if I could like to respond a little bit to miss Humley's comment about the fact that I wouldn't agree to 60-day hold Received a phone call I think it was either the day or two days after the finance committee met and from this humleys attorney and she he Indicated he was intending to write a letter to the Court of Appeals Requesting an extension of time in which to file their brief their brief is due sometime the end of July and He wanted he asked whether he could represent that the city agreed to that 60-day extension. I said I Couldn't do that because hadn't addressed it with the Council I asked I said if you want me to present that to the Council send me something in writing I'll present it to the Council. He said Wouldn't do that it didn't intend to do that so And I wasn't going to agree to any sort of extension without Discussing that with the Council so I think that ought to be made clear the issue is the timing of the brief to be filed by the Appellant to the Court of Appeals They file the appeal they've got you know the timeline starts ticking and they've got a period of time in which to file their brief Likewise the city and the Great Lakes will have an opportunity or in a time frame to file their brief but I it was simply a matter of When he called I wasn't in position to on behalf of the city say that we were going to agree to any sort of 60-day extension of the Time for filing the brief so that that was the long and short of the conversation and haven't heard anything since Thank You attorney McLean for that clarification Next we move to the mayor's report wanted to Talk to the council a little about a little bit about the citizens budget process that I put into place When I came paying for mayor, I talked about a budget prioritization process massive one a Very ambitious one and I talked about how every single employee in our city is going to have input They will have the opportunity to tell us how they feel about how we spend our money or how we don't spend our money I Also talked about how the community needed to provide input so the citizens budget process will allow for community input and Employee input Substantial amount of opportunity there The question is is this citizens budget process going to be in place for this budget this year for 06 for the 06 budget I should say Probably not because it's a long process. It'll take almost a year to put into place and to see it through Some of the information that we gather may be useful as we plan for the next year's budget The process of the budget prioritization process is a benchmark to me because I promise the people when I campaigned That I was going to put it into effect and I intend to do that. I intend to keep my word The process is going to be carried out in three phases The first one will be the community and the employee input In order to make sure that we gather enough information from the community and the employee I will be holding 16 listening sessions in each district and as it turns out one district may have I may hold a Listening session in each of the wards of each district, but not necessarily so But there will be 16 listening sessions in each of the eight districts There will be hell at very in times some at 10 some at 6 to accommodate different schedules of the community We'll also have input The citizens and the employees will also have the opportunity to provide input using our website and through some comment forms That we're going to distribute at the library We'll have at the mayor's office and we'll have them anywhere that We'll have in all departments where the the employees can pick up a form give us their input and turn it in a lot of This information may be gathered anonymously from the employees I don't want any employee to tell us anything without with fear of repercussion from anyone What I want is input. I want our employees and our community to tell us This is how we think you should spend our money. This is how we think you shouldn't. This is how you are We agree. This is how you are. We don't agree etc. Etc. It will provide that opportunity The next step is the phase two will be a survey development Based on that community input and that employee input and that will be put together by dr. Jack Westphal Now many of you as you know dr. Jack Westphal works for the school district and he plays a very key role in the school administration He has agreed to provide his services on a volunteer basis Which to me is a very generous Effort to take he will interpret all this information that we're going to get from the community and put together As a result of that information a survey And we can then take out to the community and the and the employees and they can help us prioritize Exactly what it is. We should be looking at a Mind you this is a tool the council can accept this tool or not I will be working with it as mayor as I work through my budget process through the mayor's budget process The surveys are going to be key because what it'll do it'll it'll give us an opportunity to see how The community and the employee see things In a very common way, they'll be able to see we'll be able to see shifts going in the direction of this Is where we think you should be spending the money. This is what we think you shouldn't be spending the money So that survey development is going to be key and that will be the second phase The third phase will be the assembly of a task force I will put together a task force for my office of neutral community stakeholders People who are distant from city government. Hopefully have no connections so that they're able to look at this data and And use it in a wise manner and hopefully be able to use it in conjunction with the department has as they put Together together their budget So again, it will be phase one community and employee input phase to the survey development That information will be gathered. Hopefully by the end of November Put together till for December and in January we start the budget process And what that tells me is that we're going to be starting our budget in process for 07 pretty early It's a budge our budget is a very serious serious thing that we need to that We work on annually and I want to make sure that I devote enough time to it and have you devote enough time to it So and we have that budget put in place it reflects the needs of the community and Balances that need with their ability to pay which is what I think the citizens have been telling us over and over and over So hopefully we'll be able to put the citizen budget process together I hope every one of you will help us every alderman will be invited to attend each Each session that fits into their district You may attend all of them if you'd like the committee may attend one that's in their district or may attend all of them Or one that isn't in their district. It doesn't matter when the comments come in suggestions come in There's no right or wrong answer. Just tell us how you feel It's a very ambitious project, but it's a project that has been proven to work It has worked with the school district It has worked with the county I believe and this particular citizens budget process is more or less a hybrid between both entities there We're hoping to localize so to speak a Budget process that will address our needs and concerns if any alderman has any questions with respect to my Citizens budget process by all means feel free to contact my office Thank you very much Moving on we have a hearing to amend the zoning mat for property at 41 60 and 41 60 a South 12th Street from class sR 3 suburban residential 3 to class mr 8 mixed residential classification Is there anyone interested in speaking regarding this hearing? You're on. Yes. Can you please give me your name and your home address? I'm David Kostichka 5203 Skylark Drive say it again, please 50203 Skylark Drive, and could you spell your last name? KOS TICH K Thank You Dave go ahead Mr. Mayor older people. I just want to take this opportunity to say thank you for letting me speak tonight I'm the owner of the property at 41 60 and 41 60 a South 12th Street I've owned the property for about eight years. I did give everybody a packet all the older persons I hope you are received it and looked over it basically as you stated what I'm trying to do is right now the resident is now residents is now Zoned sR 3 and we would like it to be re-zoned as a mr 8 And what we want to do is put a daycare center in it just for the rising need of daycares Especially on the south side and I'll get into a little bit more of that in a in a in a moment here In your packets you can see a little bit of the description of the residents the location It's right on the corner of a sunny side and south 12th Street very big lot and I Also listed why it would be a very nice place for a daycare It's only a half a block away from cons floral and the sunny side mall So the the location is is is really really nice and there is commercial Businesses there really nearby and it like I said it is right on 12th Street The main difference that I between a sR 3 and a mr 8 is One a duplex can be put on it. There already is a duplex on it So basically what I what I want to do instead of being grandfathered. I want to conform to the zoning regulations that would be in stake there and And and a daycare center can be put on it and at the current time a daycare home could be put on it We just want to go to a center a home is up to eight children and we want to do the nine-plus children and with a mr 8 the big thing is There's never going to be a gas station there. There's not going to be a McDonald's It is very the mr 8 is very restricted yet So it's not it's not a commercial zoning that we're looking for we just want this this Re-zoning just to so we can put this center on the residents As far as the the dwelling itself, it's going to look the same. It's a house We're not carrying any buildings down or anything. It's still going to be a house So the the neighborhood is still going to it's still going to sustain the the same beauty in which it which it has The only difference that we will do is in the yard We're going to put out in a fence and I also put Kind of in in the packet a projected fence area that where the house sits There's a u-shaped driveway and before that I didn't mention but the pictures of the house as you can see It's a big big lot big big house. So it's the fence isn't going to stick out by no means What it is going to do for the community number one as I stated before There's a big big demand for daycare on the south side Compared to the north side and I also put a list in your packet of all the north side daycares and all the south side You can see the difference that they have Being in a house setting Means lower cost for the provider for the daycare Person which lower lower rent cost means lower daycare costs for the community and and she wants to Peggy Gustafson is The projected daycare provider Her what she wants to do is a home-like Surroundings as a daycare not a stark building and have a children In there and you do need a very unique building for inside and outside big yard and a Lot of room inside. I do have some neighbors here from that location I also went around the neighborhood got signatures from location. I provided that on the back page for you of all the neighbors surrounding And they did get mailed their letter that they could be here tonight Like I said Peggy Gustafson is going to be the daycare projected daycare provider You can ask her questions in a second second here I do think this is an ideal Facility for a daycare of just as I stated inside outside square footage needs that you do need One and in closing what I want to say is For the the neighborhood the beauty of the neighborhood in the sunny side area One thing that is controlled in a daycare is the state regulates it So it it is going to be regulated it can't it is going to be a nice looking neighborhood yet and And I think Change is good for for the community out there with the on the south side with a daycare It's we want to build shaboyan has been building the south side up and with that goes daycare infant care everything That a daycare would provide this is a good rezoning idea and should be Accepted for the improvement of the community Thank you any questions by myself or or Peggy I also brought neighbors like I said mr. And mrs. Brower They live right across the street from the residents so on there sir all of us a golly Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I would like to know is this if I may speak with him please Um, is this going to be a year round is like when the school's off You're not going to be off that you're going to be able to provide the daycare to the children when the school is out And that's when the parents need it the most I can I can answer that yes, but maybe Peggy the provider could answer that better and and that is the The intention that is going to be year round I know a daycare nearby has the same days as the schools Okay, so when it's a holiday they're off to you know where a lot of times that's when you need the daycare So this is going to be a summer You know when schools are off on teacher conventions or what have you it's still going to be running Would you like to make some comments Peggy or not? well, I just like to say that I've been doing child care out of my home on Henry Street and I have always treated it as my business and in a very professional way and I recently finished my schooling for administrative credential and in very While I've been doing it for 17 years I've watched Susan Hart's daughter I've watched many children in the community who have have grown Have graduated and and I feel proud, you know to be a part of the future of Sheboygan I Guess that's you know what I'd like to say is that if sheboygan's growing and it and it is growing Then in order for Sheboygan to grow we also need child care for the people that are working to help Sheboygan grow Could you excuse me? Could you just give me your home address sure? 2509 Henry Street. Thank you so much and please hold but all men many Question for thank you. I've got five questions So number one how many kids over nine could be accommodated? Over nine the number of nine over the number of nine. I plan to have a maximum of 20 Secondly, how does the residents lend itself to daycare? well, you need a certain amount 35 square foot per children per child and You also need a large first level floor If you're caring for infants because of safety reasons to get them out in case of an emergency Square footage of the whole building David probably has more of that. I think he said around 30 21 Thank you, and I Understand the whole building would be used for the daycare. No one would be living in in half of the duplex, correct No, it's kind of an unusual duplex It's more of a townhouse with a mother-in-law suite above the grout of garages So that would still be rented out as a rental unit. Okay, so that somebody would be living there Yes Lastly, what would the tax implications be and maybe Others here in the city could speak to that IE a duplex as it's currently stated and lived versus a daycare center. Would there be tax implications? Oh, the realist isn't here we can ask her. Thank you. Thank you, Peggy Is there anyone else who would like to address Council can I have your name sir Adolf Brower? And I need your home address 12 19 sunny side Okay, go ahead. I just like to say a few words My wife and I have lived at 12 19 sunny side for over 40 years across the street from this residence Through the years there have been various owners various renters. Some were good. Some were not so good Some were downright bad So I just urge you to you know, approve this rezoning and subsequent child care facility because I think it can only be a Positive and a stabilizing factor in our neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you, sir Is there anyone else who would like to speak on this hearing? Is there anyone else? Before I ask mr. Steve so Kaloski to Also speak on this matter Just for the council's information this request did go through the city plan Commission and it was voted not to grant variants unanimously the city plan Commission as I said did Study the request and looked at it and decided that It wasn't ready to approve the the change in zoning and I'd like to ask mr. Steve so Kaloski to elaborate on that mayor council good evening I Guess the one thing that I'm here to do which I feel is the planning department's Responsibility for the citizens of the Schwoigen plan Commission and the council is to provide an objective Input on a situation like this I have to take the emotion out of it and I have to take a look at the land use I have to look at the surrounding area and make a decision and make a recommendation based upon that First couple of things you guys probably aren't going to be able to see this real Well, but I'm going to pass it around and meet if you want to pass it to get a feel for where we're at first thing A person does you come in and hey, I'm looking to rezone this property. All right Well, the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to take a look at it and see if there is anything around here What is there is there in this case? We're changing it from an SR 3 Which was one of our most restrictive single-family zones to an mra Which allows for some duplexes a little bit more density and some issues basically allows a daycare as well So the first thing I do is I take a look at the map and just kind of look at it and see okay Does it does from just from eyeball and it doesn't make sense and take a look at this And as everyone takes a look at that so the first thing I do is I take a look at the property and see what's surrounding it and There's in this particular case. There is no mr. 8 in that area whatsoever. It's all suburban residential Three it's all zone restrictive single-family. So that's what I take a look at is Initially second of all I start to take a look at the types of uses in that zone because that's the next important factor that the council or the Plant Commission or whomever is making a decision in this matter needs to be aware of and Mr. Kastichka didn't mention The fact that you could do some duplexes you could do some twin houses. What it comes down to is density SR three zoning allowance for three units per acre MR 8 allows for eight units so you can get some duplexes and you get the daycares and things like that as Mr. Kastichka stated in the SR 3 zone you are able to do a home occupation daycare of up to eight Eight children attendees so there's an ability as it's owned right now to do eight So that's the the other point that they're after is they're looking obviously to do more eight and we've heard 20 So there's gonna be there's gonna be kids running around. Okay, so there's there's an issue no question there Then what I take a look at is okay. What is what is the purpose of these zones again in that SR 3 zone? Basically, it says the density intensity standards for this district are designed to ensure that the SR 3 district shall serve as a designation which preserves and protects the suburban residential me character of the area Again, it's for those who want to live in a suburban residential environment who retain enough land with their residents To ensure that the suburban community character is maintained So when you look at that map, you're gonna see that that area is zoned SR 3 and the reasoning for that is because it's looking for that suburban character. It's looking for that single family aspect so so after taking a look at those and and and and listening to some of the We've had plenty of good conversation back and forth, but again, it's my it's my job to look at this objectively And there's a couple of things that are mentioned here One of the things that's mentioned in the closing that the property walls always be a business to me We have someone who's not an owner occupied. It is a business We're looking at a business that most of that house is being used for a business It's not a single family home. So it it does that fit with that type of zone. You'll make that decision tonight The daycares need is unique to that particular property Again, is it single family or should it be changed to allow this particular property? The ability to do things such as a daycare that all of the other properties in the area are not able to do He does state Sheboygan can't stay the same and he's absolutely right And I think there's many areas in town that we can point to that say that it's not changing in town But you know what each one of those we have to take a look at Individually and closely enough to make sure that when we're making those changes that in fact, it's the right change to make and Then you also mentioned this is a good rezoning idea and should be accepted for the improvement of the community I'm not gonna sit here and say a daycare is not a good thing in the community That's not what I'm trying to say what I'm trying to say is take a look at the area We're talking about and is that the best place for it? Are there other areas in town that are rezoned properly that can have a daycare the answer to that is yes And as I recommended to the plan Commission and the plan Commission recommended to you Staff is recommending denial of the proposal, and I'd be happy to answer any questions Are there any questions for mr. Sokoloski by Alderman, thank you mr. Sokoloski. Oh, I'm sorry, excuse me Alderman Stefan Thank you your honor. I guess the only thing I'm following you But yet I'm looking on the map and like twelfth and sunny side doesn't seem to me to be that seems like there's quite a few businesses in that area I guess that's the what I'm trying to understand here, you know, like the pictures you've shown us I can see we're yet to more suburban area But it seems like right where they are there are other businesses there. So I guess, you know, I'm wondering Why why not approve it then if there are businesses that close sure sure Again, I'm taking a look at the general area of that particular neighborhood You have some businesses to the south and as a matter of fact You could operate this daycare center out of those areas that are zone correct As I look at the neighborhood and I drive the neighborhood and I see what type it is and looking at the purposes and things like that of the ordinance I just I look at the purpose and I see what's there and and When I look at it objectively Again, I can't I'm not going to sit here and say a daycare is not a good use But I just don't think it's a good use in that particular area Any other questions? Okay, thank you so class key and and should should the Council approve it's they still have to go to plan commission for approvals if it would get approved as a condition use permit Follow me so golly. Thank you your honor. Um, may I please ask how long it's been since we've redone our rezoning? Zone laws here in the city. I mean how old as How old are the zonings? Don't they redo zonings? every once in a while to look at the whole city and to Separate areas and to do different zoning laws on them Mr. Sokoloski, thank you. He wants to answer your question here The last time that the city looked at the overall zoning of the city of Shboygan was in 1996 So occasionally what we have now every once in a while before the council will have a rezoning before us And that's how it gets taken care of today is is that if we annex property? We set the zoning when it comes in if someone wants to make a change such as this property owner or anyone it comes to the council It comes to the plan commissioning council. So it's it's in essence At such time as an applicant looks and is trying to do something with this property that we bring something before the council But the last time that the city overall was done was in 1996 Thank you Paul McGrath, thank you, your honor. I move that the green be closed There's no there's a motion the second to close the hearing any discussion Not polls in favor of state. I You oppose Here in clothes. Thank you Paul McGrath consent agenda Thank you, your honor, but before I do the consent agenda, I'd like to pull forward document 728 Which is the arrow by the city plan commission where? It's in pulling forward 728 That deals with the city plan commission recommend of the property reason I'd like to move that the arrow be accepted and placed on file There's a motion in the second to accept the arrow put it on file under discussion under discussion my recommendation though will be to vote against that that Motion because I went through the property I met out there with mr. Dave thank you Living in that area. We definitely do need something like this on the south side there are two daycare centers in the in that proximity and both of them are You could get in but it may cost you a lot more and those again are only open during the same time the school year is open This is something Davis has done a lot of modeling work and painting and cleaning up that property from One in the last ten and so on it and I think it would be a good fit in the neighborhood And that's why you had neighbors here speaking to it and and looking at it And you look all the corners that are near this this property are covered They're all in favor of keeping it so therefore I'd ask the council to To vote against filing this and then to overturn it and recommend approval of the Resonance all them and graph could you just add to your motion to accept and file the RO and file the ordinance? That's what they're going to do. Thank you and the second increase to that All the one bird Some of the people in the town of Wilson because that's so popular and he's got the support he's got a good person to run it and like all of these routes that Montessori is out there, but they work on the school Schedule that when the school's off a week they're off a week And those people have scrambled to find a car. So I hope the council here supports changing that zone And thank you Oldman Berg any further discussion Oldman Many thank you run Two questions further would come to me would be for Steve Sakalowski to answer Could the owner or a future owner? with rezoning Choose to knock down the building and put up two to three duplexes or whatever With the new zone. Yes, okay Is there any possibility then for us to qualify the zoning approval? So that such a thing could not be done But pretty much a lot of times where it's only as it has permitted conditionally permitted uses and typically as long as a person has in that zone you're allowed to have those types of uses so Again, I would probably have to have some conversation Correct Thank you certainly if If it's permitted use I think they'd have Unqualified right to use that and I'm not Familiar with the specific Uses that are permitted in that area if it's a if it's a use that's Conditionally allowed, you know, it's subject to conditions of the plant commission and You know could have some conditions placed on it, but generally a rezone is It's kind of a yes or no proposition either its own one thing or another You get into Perhaps contract zoning if you want to you know say well rezone it if you do this or that or the other thing I would advice trying to stay clear of that and Just Keeping the zones kind of clean and not have Extraneous conditions placed on them that aren't on the zoning code. Thank you for those responses and your honor I would say hearing those that's my one concern is long-term I do appreciate what they intend to do right now and we'll support the motion to move ahead and grant the rezoning Thank you old man many old man Stefan. Thank you your honor. I guess I'm not really up to date on the different zoning regulations It sounds like you're telling me Currently maybe we want instead of rezoning it. We could give them a conditional use permit as it is or currently do that No, so you can conditionally use it as a daycare. I don't believe Alderman Stefan and Salko Lasky can address that but I don't believe a Daycare center is a conditional use in a SR three zone Correct, and that's why we're here this evening is they there's an ability to do up to eight P eight attendees if you own and operate out of that residence like a home occupation So the only way we can approve it and put limitations on it is what he said Is to rezone it and then and then the opportunity would be available that they would have to come back to the city of Sheboygan plan commission and at that point in time they review conditional use permits and often times and in this case There would likely be conditions on the approval of this proposal So just for clarification though on the vote If I'm like Alderman Berg and Graf and I support Going through with this I should actually vote no because then I go back to planning commission Don't bring it back a new recommendation Just to clarify if you voted down the recommendation of the plan commission you could then follow that up with a vote Well, they could come back with the same thing, but you wouldn't have to re-refer it back to the plan commission You've got the plan commission's recommendation before you it's up to the council whether you want to accept the plan commission's recommendation or not Okay, so no would be to not Support their denial right and I guess to put in a little bit more basic terms I guess what we're doing what the council may consider doing is spot zoning is Putting one isolated case use in a suburban residential area Yes, correct Okay, I believe miss Anders has some comments. Thank you mr. Chokoloski Thank you mayor and common council, and I'd also just like to stress that this is a spot zoning situation You know and Steve is correct that he you know you look at the entire area You look at the zoning in the area what we try to do is be Consistent and then also think not just short term but long term because once you change the zoning on that property You know more than likely it'll it'll stay that way for a long time and you know, although the use is You know we have a daycare use that's being proposed or will be proposed if the zoning changed now As Alderperson man yet stated they could raise that building and then create a you know a housing or Other type of development. That's much more dense and not consistent with the other properties in the area Thank you. Thank you Okay, so is there any further discussion Not we're gonna call the roll, but if you vote aye you are voting to file the RO and file the ordinance as The city plan Commission has recommended if you vote. No, you are not going along with their recommendation Okay, Bowman D-Berg Eberg Serda Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and van der wheel One aye 15 nose motion carries all my graph But motion failed motion fail. I'm sorry the motion fails Then you're on it this time I'd like to move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage and the arrow and the arrow be accepted and placed on file Thank you There's a motion a second So please call the roll Bowman D-Berg Eberg Serda Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and van der wheel 16 eyes motion carries. Thank you consent agenda 8 1 through 8 18 Alderman graph. Thank you your honor at this time out for the consent agenda I'd move that all our O's be accepted and placed on file that all our C's be accepted and adopted and we pass the resolutions There's a motion the second There's a motion the second to accept all our O's and all our C's and all resolutions be put upon their passage in ordinance to be put upon a passage under discussion Woman Manny Thank you, your honor documents 814 and 815 I Think it would be helpful for the community to have some comments offered about what this entails The educational aspect we're saving the city some money So some good work is going into it they'll speak I think Good afternoon mayor and council members What this is is it's actually This portion here is is we're Have done a number of projects at the wastewater plant and some pump stations that are saving the city Are saving energy using less electricity? last year we at the Kentucky pump station we Put in two new motors high efficiency motors and variable frequency drives and That project is is was projected to save about $17,000 a year it looks like we're at closer to $25,000 a year at the treatment plant we're putting in some high efficiency blowers and Those blowers will use a less less electricity and provide Better control for our aeration system that's projected to save about $34,000 a year in addition we are In tonight's agenda with approval there's work at the influence pump station at the treatment plant we are Going to put VFDs in and remove some inefficient eddy current drives and that's projected to save $22,000 a year A lion energy offers a program called their shared savings program and What they do is they loan Loan the city money or in this case the wastewater utility They're loaning us two hundred ninety thousand dollar two hundred seventy thousand dollars That's to be paid over five years, and it's at two percent so we can complete these projects in addition There's also Which was approved? Culp couple council meetings ago a cogeneration facility is being installed at the wastewater treatment plant and We produce methane gas as a byproduct of our treatment process and that methane gas is going to produce electricity It'll produce about 45 percent of our energy our electrical energy needs and about 25 percent of our heat needs And for the first that's we partner with with a lion energy on that project and that will save us In in heat and electrical savings a year about a hundred and six thousand dollars for the first year and After year six two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year So that's basically what we're working on Questions Thank You Dale Okay, we've got eight one two eight eighteen So please call the roll D. Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Myer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel and Bowman 16 eyes ocean carries Communications and petitions 819 to 820 to be referred Report of officers 821 to 830 to be referred Resolutions introduced 831 Elmengroff entering to an agreement in the city of Sheboygan the Sheboygan transit commission and Gregory L Rakeham DBA Cartian collectibles All men drop. Thank you, your honor. I would ask for a suspension of the rules, please There's there's a request for suspension rules any objections Please proceed. Thank you, your honor at this time then I'd move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under discussion the contract each of you received in your packet of information Starts out talking about a date as of July 1 that they'd like to enter into this contract as you all know We're past July 1 so they'd like this acted upon tonight so that we we get the individual in the in the transit Periods so that he can be the agent for the Greyhound bus lines Oh and Stefan. Thank you, your honor I actually was at the transit meeting when we approved this older man graph asked me to represent him So I'm a little more familiar with it and here it is the great is here somewhere here He already is the Greyhound agent out of his cards and collectibles store, which is on a street And he you know is wants to move into our building. It's kind of a win-win He'd still be the Greyhound agent. He'd be selling our bus tokens. He'd be handy on our maps provide a little supervision there I think we provided the contract to make sure that you know It's not going to change as long as he's doing the Greyhound and he helping us out It's a something that helps both sides. So I really think this is worthwhile Thank you. Thank you all and Stefan No being any more discussion Okay, so please call the roll Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittlesen Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Then Akron Vander wheel Bowman and D Berg 16 eyes motion carries 832 will lie over 833 834 to be referred Report of committees 835 By public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitted communication from son from Donna beaten Sweden The skybox sports pub and grill requesting permission to hold a street fest and reapply for a block permit for the event in August 05 Alderman Vander wheel Thank You, Your Honor. I'll make a motion to accept and adopt RC 835 There's a motion and a second to accept and adopt under discussion under discussion I would just like to let the council know that we had listened to the neighbors and the owner of skybox And we still came with the same conclusion to file the document Thank You. Alderman Vander wheel any further discussion Not so please call a roll Serta Davis graph Kittlesen Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha then Akron Vander wheel Bowman D Berg Eberg 16 eyes motion carries 836 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitting a communication from Ellen else Incorporated requesting a street closure for their block party block type party on July 21st 05 during the heritage square bike race and grant in permission Alderman Vander wheel. Thank You, Your Honor. I'll make a motion to accept and dot RC 836 There's a motion a second to accept and adopt under discussion There be a non. Please call the roll Sue Davis graph Kittlesen Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D Berg Eberg and Serta 16 eyes motion carries 837 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitting a communication from the right-wing club Incorporated requesting permission to have music played by DJ until 11 p.m. On the club's grounds at 46 27 South 12th Street During their outdoor deck dance in August 05 and grant in permission Alderman Vander wheel. Thank You, Your Honor. I'll make a motion to accept and adopt RC 837 There's a motion is a second to accept and adopt under discussion under discussion Assistant attorney Chuck Adams had told us in committee that this isn't the same as with the with the festivals lend them to 11 this is a residential and If they're too loud or if there's problems the police will still be called and they will be treating the same Allerman Segali Thank You, Your Honor as I'm looking at this I I realize this right-way club is is just a wonderful club where people can go on that I just am against the 11 p.m. I think since we are we have other Organizations that have to close down at 10 30 I think this one should be and and in the same that this should be going down at 10 30 instead of 11 Thank You. Thank You. Alderman Segali Any further discussion not so please call the roll graph Kittleson Manny Myer Montemay or Racky Segali Stefan Susha van Akron Vander wheel Balman D-Berg Eberg Serta Davis Ten eyes five noes one extension motion carries 838 to be referred Reportive committees 839 by finance recommended authorize a transfer appropriations in the 205 budget Alderman graph Thank You. I move that the RCB accept and adopt it and that we pass the resolution There's a motion in a second to accept and adopt the report a committee under discussion Not so please call the roll Kittleson Manny Myer Montemay or Racky Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Balman D-Berg E-Berg Serta Davis and graph 16 eyes motion carries 840 by public protection and safety recommended entering into a shared services agreement With Sheboygan County for a shared evidence storage and property area to include an indoor pistol range to be located at the old city Drop off site at the end of South 19th Street Alderman Vander wheel Thank You. Honor. I'll make a motion to accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon its passage There's a motion in a second under discussion Alderman Berg thank you. I'm sorry That's Eberg and then D-Berg Thank you, Your Honor And looking at this I see what is called the clerk's desk is what would be characterized as perhaps Dueling resolution, so I would offer a friendly amendment To this particular document and like to take with 840 772 which has very similar language The amendment and I'll read the entire document your committee to was refuted referred resolution 720506 by Alderman Radke Authorizing and then striking the words entering into a shared service agreement with Sheboygan County Then substituting the words the Sheboygan Police Department to enter into a planning process With the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department And that would be period and then Striking after pistol range the words relating to the location So striking the words to be located at the old city drop-off site at the end of South 19th Street So that would be my Amendment there's a motion to amend their second second the second under discussion on the amendment only All in Stefan. I'm sorry all go ahead all in Stefan, then I'll call I was gonna speak on this and I wasn't aware of the amendment, but it takes care of the concerns I had I went to the meeting the other weekend and I was concerned about not only tying it into the location, but also that I'm all for the city in the county working together but I'm under the impression that LTC is building a new building and Either is considering or is for sure putting a firing range in there and likely these have discussions about us joining them at the committee level The deputy chief was there I think at that point he had thought there was some discussion in the past But he wasn't sure wasn't sure if it was going forward And I just I think it's good if we as we can share with two groups fine If we can share with three if we can get every law enforcement in the county to come more the merrier the more so I think By making the amendment more generic is better for us rather than tying it into one location and one group Because I really think there's a potential to share with LTC also and the taxpayers are already paying for that one Thank you all my all them and D Berg. Did you want to speak? Yes, your honor? I don't see why we're trying to go ahead with this right away because according to our Surveys and that stuff these these shared services are going to be no matter where they're going to be but According to the two top sites or whatever or whatever it's going to be you're going to have enough land where you can put the pistol range and the evidence room all in one one location instead of having the police department in one location and The other two facilities in another I think we should just maybe just wait all wait until we get the final results on The real location of the police department Thank you all of them Berg all of them in Cigali on the amendment Thank you, your honor. I just thought it's so to repeat it Sure, so that we have a whole thing if you follow along in the document it would be to see her In the first paragraph it says enter where it starts entering to replace entering into a shared service agreement with Sheboygan County and replace that with authorizing the Sheboygan Police Department to enter into a planning process With a Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department and then continue on for a shared evidence storage, etc And the other amendment was when you get to the pistol range It would be a period there and eliminate everything after that So that does not designate a site That was the amendment. Oh, okay. So it would be a period after pistol range Is that okay? Is that clear? Alderman Very real thank you, honor This is the bought amendment keeping it at the drop-off site because you would prefer not to have Everything in one place you would want the evidence center and the and the evidence center for sure But and the shooting range off site and if I deputy chief Weiss If you could speak on that a little bit Deputy chief Weiss Thank You mayor council members What what happened here? recently was that the county had approached us and Indicated two years ago. They asked us to go in on a joint evidence impound storage facility They are in dire need of a new facility rather than build it Themselves they want to know if we also needed a facility like that We have three areas on the Department of Public Works property that Tom Houlton would prefer we vacated so he could utilize that room He's been asking that of us for years, but we really had no place to go now just recently We are approached by inspector 10 Hagan the Schwenk County Sheriff's Department And the county is to be commended for their patients However, they do need to move on this and they asked us to make a commitment So my recommendation is that we go together on this joint project So it's a shared service rather than build two separate facilities We would build one and the current plan is to incorporate Epistol range at that facility You were thank you and if this does not exclude or take anything off the table that just broadens the scope of your Investigation if if the conclusion has already been met between the professional staff That there's only one site that's suitable Then it should only be at 19th Street But I think we are best serve if we look at all available sites And if it's on a site where we will locate a future police station or if it's off site I guess I would prefer that you look as broad as possible and not just limit yourself to having one specific site Well, our intent was not to limit ourselves. However, you have to understand the city does own that property at the drop-off site That would take precedence over Purchasing another site Now as far as I think it may be some confusion here as far as evidence room and the joint impound Evidence storage area first of all guns jewelry Money that will be stored in each facilities each police department or sheriff's departments own on-site police department That doesn't go off. But what this is is say for instance, we have a snow emergency and we tow 30 vehicles Usually you don't want that on the front lawn of the police department. You want it off-site if we have accidents Over the years laws have changed We are required now to save evidence especially anything concerning DNA virtually forever The facilities that we have now at the Department of Public Works are starting to fill up We do need a facility the county needs a facility. So I think your best Taxpayers dollars to go in on a joint venture So it's it's not necessarily a good idea to put your evidence and impound storage When I talk about evidence room with your evidence and impound storage like cars on The police department site now. I know of police departments that have it that way For instance, one is Oak Creek. Well, they've got just an abundance of land Probably 18 acres and they've got it hidden in the backwood decorative fences. You can't even see it We don't have that luxury here. So I really not trying to limit ourselves to one site. We're looking for the best value taxpayers speaking We would welcome the opportunity to To investigate this matter and plan with the county. They've been very Energetic they want to get this going because they're losing money Heating their present facility and they simply need to move on it Please hold on deputy chief wise over Stefan Thank you, your honor. I just wanted to point out to the deputy chief if we don't pass the amendment in my mind I think the the original document does tie us to the other site So I think it's better to pass the amendment and then let you guys decide what's better for the city and county and whatever Thank you all Stefan anything else Alderman many thank you, sir This one check my memory. I believe that we were told that if we Build a pistol range on the site of a new police station that it would be underground and that it would be more Costly than building a separate site distinct from the police station. Is that memory accurate rich? You're the numbers man. Yes, thank you Okay Thank You deputy chief We will call the vote on the On 840 by public protection safety amended is everybody you want me to read the how it will read It will read a resolution authorizing enter into entering I'm sorry and Authorizing the Shavuigan police department to enter into a planning process with the Shavuigan County Sheriff's Department For a shared evidence storage and property area to include an indoor pistol range period That's how will the amendment would read And I vote would be to all all the amendment please call the roll Kittleson Manny Meier Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha then Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg Eberg Serta Davis and graph 16 eyes Like to make a motion to approve it. I'm sorry. I'll remember we'll Motion to approve as amended. I'll make a motion to approve the RC as amended Motion second under discussion. Thank you. I'll remember we'll not so please call the roll Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha then Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph and Kittleson 16 eyes motion passes 841 by public protection and safety recommended prohibiting encouraging The congregating of seagulls by feeding or any other means in any location with within the city of Shavuigan limits and passing Ordinance with amendment to add the word knowingly Quote-unquote to no person shall knowingly encourage the congregating of seagulls By feeding or any other means in any location within the city of Shavuigan limits Alderman Vanderweel. Thank you, honor I'll make motion to accept and adopt the RC and put the general ordinance upon its passage There's a motion and a second under discussion under discussion This will make it so that People can have bird feeders and have and when they put the garbage out they don't have to worry about Getting a ticket because the birds come in their yard and and feed on that and also I would like to make an amendment To the RC Changing seagulls to gulls Very good, I think we got a lesson by the press and whpl that these are not seagulls or gulls There's a motion by Alderman Vanderweel to change the word seagulls to simply gulls is there a second There's a second that's a motion to amend Man, we just need an all eyes. We would just need an all eyes for that. Yep. You need what no roll call for that All in favor Aye, can you oppose Motion passes Okay Now we need the final vote here. So please call the roll. Um, this would be as amended Uh, Montemay or Radke seagulli Stefan Sushia Then Akron Vanderweel Aye Bowman Dberg Eberg Serda Davis Graf Kittleson Manny And montem I'm sorry And Meyer Sorry Sixteen eyes Motion carries Matters laid over 775 Oro number 130506 by the city clerks have made any communication from the wisconsin department of administration stating that they do not object to the final plan for the woods Who's going to take this one alderman graf Sure, I would move that the arrow will be accepted and adopted There's a motion in the second to to accept and follow our own Second under discussion Not all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed Motion carries 769 Oro number 130406 by the board of parks and forestry commissioner recommending filing various documents Who wants to take this one? Alderman bowman I thank you your honor I would make the motion in that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file There's a mo there's a motion in the second to accept and file the report of officer under discussion Not all those in favor. Please state. Aye. Any opposed motion carries 745 resolution number 6705 by alderman graf stefan montemire and davis authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 205 budget Alderman graf Thank you your honor that our resolution along with the next resolution Which is also authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2005 budget and then also 747 Which is another resolution which authorize a purchasing agent to extend the contract for administrating The city's cash management program. I would move that the three resolutions be put upon their passage There's a motion in second that all three resolutions 745 46 and 747 be put upon their passage under discussion If not sue. Please call the roll my earth montemire ratki sagali stefan susha van akron bander wheel bowman deberg eberg serda davis graf kittleson and manny 16 passes 758 general ordinance number 210506 by alderman ratke and graf repealing division three of article four chapter two of the of the municipal code related to a municipal court for the city of shambuig and alderman ratke Thank you your honor i I ask that the general ordinance be put upon his passage There's a motion in a second to no longer be put upon his passage Alderman montemire Thank you your honor Attorney stefan clean could you give us a catch up on the municipal court background for the new alderman? Attorney McLean Thank you your honor in August of 2003 the council established a special committee to study the feasibility of establishing a municipal court and Set a criteria of Providing a report to the council on the feasibility by September 30th 2004 Uh, the committee Was comprised of two alderman alderman warner and alderman wangaman Obviously neither of them was currently on the council myself sergeant katowski from the police department Uh, a private attorney attorney david gas Two citizen members ronald beanin and ronald urline and the finance director rich geppert was an ex-officio member Uh, that that study committee met regularly on the second and fourth monday of every month for a year Uh, so we had I'd say roughly 20 meetings over the year The the committee looked at Some what they considered five key topics regarding The feasibility of establishing municipal court put together a report that was submitted to the council I believe in september 2004 I've got several copies. I didn't make copies for all the alderman, but if you'd like them I've got I think eight of them. I can distribute They don't have the exhibits That were fairly extensive But has 12 pages that comprises the the text of the report The the bottom line conclusion and recommendation of the study committee was This and I'll read the report Committee members unanimously conclude that creating a municipal court is feasible for the city And that the estimated additional cost to the city and setting up and operating a municipal court will be more than offset by the increased revenue to the city It's recommended that such a court not commence operating until the chosen municipal court software system is in place and functional Should the council choose to proceed to implement the municipal court the committee recommends as follows That a municipal court module to the current crime system software be developed That a judge position be part time that the judge be an attorney and that the term of office be initially set at two years The staffing and salaries for court personnel be established consistent with this report and the committee's proposed municipal court budget That the council chambers be used temporarily as the courtroom and that permanent facilities for the municipal court be incorporated into the design for the new police department building And finally that the council explore the willingness of neighboring municipalities to participate in a joint municipal court Subsequent to the report being Submitted to the council Discussed the committee the whole the council did pass An ordinance general ordinance 370405 in december of 2004 Establishing a municipal court for the city of sheboygan Along the line also the city authorized Hiring paragon software to start developing a The municipal court software package, and I think That was at a cost of either 17 or 20 thousand dollars The The ordinance provided or contemplated that the court would be established June 1 of 2005 But as as the committee report indicated The committee felt and the council went along with it that a Criteria be before Getting up and running that this municipal court software package be developed so that The court could Once it started could have software that it would continue with and not have to start on One procedure and then switch over to the new software That software package has not been completed yet their Paragon software is still Working on it I don't have an estimated date for its completion, but it's probably in the neighborhood of One to two months away before it's the software is ready to go At that point or sometime before that I think the contemplation would have been to Put out RRPs for a judge the the judge would be initially appointed by the council And subsequently it would be an elected position and Later on there there'd be an election on the judge, but it would be appointed initially and The process would have also been to hire The the court personnel the council had authorized the table of organization to provide for one and a half clerical people municipal court clerks and but that initially the city hire one full-time clerk and then See how it went whether that was going to be sufficient Administrative support or whether the additional halftime person would need to be added But that could would be down the road sometime obviously this report contemplated I think using the council chambers on an interim basis as the courtroom and it was contemplated at the time that the The police station new police station Was going to be built in Sheridan park and was on a timeline for eventual construction around 2007 I believe thereabouts So there was some finality to To a location for a permanent site The problem you have now is you don't have A definite timeline on a police station So if you did continue with the municipal court It's likely you'd be using the council chambers for probably an extended period of time It's tough to say how long I guess but that would be within the council's discretion You know the council chambers never Was really viewed as a real positive Site but that was looked at as adequate on a Short-term basis That I believe alderman montemire perhaps a rather lengthy explanation is kind of the history and where we are today Thank you attorney McLean alderman deberg Thank you your honor No, I can't support rescinding that municipal court Because of the fact You know, we all just finished up with a land lady That took about 25 years to settle And that's mainly because of the fact most of these ordinances all go to the circuit court And this is not their priority Their priority is criminal cases if we had our own municipal court those The the building inspection department worked their head off to get these people into the court system And it's just pushed back pushed back pushed back and drawn out Like it happened with the last lady if we don't get a municipal judge to handle all these Ordinances on fixing your houses and everything else We're going to start building another list a list just like the the one we just settled so I cannot We got to have a municipal judge of court. I will not support this Just to point the clarification alderman birch. I don't know that the madeline case Uh Had a whole lot to do with whether we had a municipal court or not No, I'm just saying that yeah, right. No, I know Right. Thank you, sir. Alderman serda Thank you your honor given What city attorney steve mclean shared here tonight I'm wondering how the public at home and for those of you sitting in the gallery in the media field about making a Critical decision if you were put into our place on voting on this issue Did steve mclean give you enough information that you could give an informative decision right now to vote on this issue I am surprised to see this document here tonight There was a similar if not almost identical document at the last council meeting that was referred to the committee of the whole I have made contact with older person who was chairman of the committee of the whole Montemayor and as an email which I I sent to her on 75 of 2005 I said As chair woman of the committee of the whole I would like to request from you to allow me to invite Mr. William wangnamen to speak to us and therefore be placed on the agenda regarding document Which again was almost identical to this 757 Rescinding the municipal court ordinance being submitted to the committee on july 11 2005 Please let me know at your earliest convenience. Thank you sincerely older person bonny Talking with maryland. We decided that we would hold that off to another Meeting because of the police station sites taking the majority of that time I am still waiting to discuss this at the committee of the whole However, here is an opportunity to get this issue through the back door You just put it on the agenda It doesn't get referred and the whole thing that I've been working with with older person maryland montemayor on this It's all going to be taken care of right now courtesy to the new older persons here I don't even know if they've even have gotten that report. There was many hours spent on discussing this I don't know if people realize that other municipalities Has contacted the city of shaboy and because of the work we've done on this issue And asked to see our report because they want to put into effect and just to put this through the back door And I think it would apply here by saying that this is what you call railroading This is it right now And Steve I feel for you because to put that in a 10 minute sound bite if that I think is asking a lot from you This should have been explored in the committee And secondly I need you to help me clarify because some of the elder persons are under the impression That this is just kind of putting it away That we can always bring forward later Could you tell me is this proper protocol that you just file it and get rid of it? I mean we have it in place now. We're not acting on it And then with that I would make a motion that we refer this document to the committee of the whole And that we can spend the time to discuss it properly. Thank you second There's a most an alternate motion to refer 758 to the committee of the whole there's second second Somebody okay second Under discussion Yes, turn McLean Your honor, thank you all in sort of an answer to the question as far as protocol It's you know this issue whether to have an admissible court is totally within the council's discretion Right now You know as of december 2004 the council voted to create a municipal court I guess the good news is one is not currently established So if you're undoing it it's going to be a lot easier than if it was established and then you tried to You know Undo something that was in place but The the document as proposed repeals The entire section of the code that created the municipal court. So What you would have to do in the future would would be to start from scratch You'd have to create a new ordinance creating a creating the municipal court and there's Nothing to say that the council couldn't do that either So it's You know it's really in the council's hands. I guess uh to the extent that There are new alderman on the council that aren't familiar with the The study committee's report it may not be a bad thing to To have some discussion at the committee the whole if that's your desire And have an opportunity Those alderman have an opportunity to review that study committee report There was a lot of time and effort put into that study, but there again it was just a recommendation to the council um It listed pros and cons that really didn't Say you had to do this or had to do that and as I say The council has broad discretion on what you want to do Thank you, attorney mcclean. We'll take them in order as they're showing up on the Screen here alderman month of my own Thank you your honor Information that steve mcclean gave to us could have been done at committee of the whole Way down the line because we have other things that are coming up right now And I certainly respect steve mcclean's information that he gave to us and I certainly respect all the alderman's intelligence about Knowing what's going on. Thank you Thank you. Alderman with the mayor alderman ratki Thank you your honor I wasn't trying to take it back to our approach here. What I was trying to do is listen to the people I've been talking to here's another bureaucracy in the city of shiboy and we're going to make all this money On fines you're going to find us more the police are going to get us the building inspectors are going to get us We've got no money. There's no mention that we're going to make money We're going to lose money we're getting a half a million a year from the county now Why should we give that up just for the simple fact that we can go out and write more tickets for more people That's what I keep hearing from the people Continuously and that's what I came in here and said, okay, fine. You guys want the court gone I'll bring something in to get rid of it. I mean it's as simple as that It's another bureaucracy within the city. We got budget time coming up I mean, I'd rather see the streets get plowed and the garbage get picked up and the police officers out in their squads As opposed to seeing the court system Get a little bit taken off their load over on 6th street. That's what they're there for We're here to run a city and not write more tickets and that's what people are telling me left and right They don't want any more tickets and this is just a good excuse for them to go to work and write more thank you element rekkie That would be the first motion on the floor We have a referral to a committee. Is that correct see? Yes Call a roll This is to refer back to or not back to to the community the whole Montemay or No Reckie Segali Stefan Hi Sushia No Van Akron Hi Vanderweel Hi Baumann Hi Dberg Hi Eberg Hi Serda Hi Davis Hi Groff Kittleson Hi Manny Hi Meyer Eleven eyes five nose 758 will be referred to committee the whole 776 journal ordinance number 220506 by alderman van der wheel repealing and recreating section 118 54 of the municipal code so as to permit and regulate neighborhood watch science Neighborhood organization science and neighborhood against drug science Alderman van der wheel Thank you, your honor. I'll make a motion to put the general ordinance upon its passage There's a moment motion the second to put 7 to 76 upon its passage under discussion Not please call the roll Reckie Hi Segali Hi Stefan Hi Sushia No Van Akron Hi Vanderweel Hi Baumann Hi Dberg Hi Eberg Hi Serda Hi Davis Hi Groff Hi Kittleson Hi Manny Hi Meyer I'm sorry Thank you Montemayor 15 eyes one nose Motion carries Max I'd ask for a motion to go into closed session and then after that after we vote we'll take a five minute break Thank you, your honor. I would move that we convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.851 E of the Wisconsin state statutes where competitive and bargaining reasons require closed session for the purpose of considering a request to obtain city-owned parcels of land There's a motion to second So please call the roll Segali Stefan Hi Sushia Hi Van Akron Hi Vanderweel Hi Baumann Hi Dberg Hi Eberg Hi Serda Hi Davis Hi Groff Hi Kittleson Hi Manny Meyer Montemayor and Radke 16 eyes Motion carries We will go into closed session in five minutes take break We'll move on to other matters authorized by law 842 will be referred to committee of the whole Attorney McLean other matters 843 is a draft of the Zimmerman report on police station sites And that will be referred to committee of the whole also Okay, that's it. Very good Now I need a motion to call to the clerk's desk 587 Alderman Groff Thank you, your Honor 587 I would ask that that be called to the clerk's desk as well as 772 There's a motion Yeah Right but these are both being called out of the shared services committee There's a motion to call to the clerk's x 587 772 is there a second Second under discussion old rough Any thank you, your honor The reason these needs to be called to the Clerk's desk and we need to act on them Is because right now we have these two in what used to be called shared services committee And there's a question how long that committee will continue And because of that in order to get this information to the county We have to send them a copy of something so that no they know we're serious about doing what we want to do As far as these joint services go Therefore, I'm asking that the council Pass a motion to send a copy of these resolutions to To the county board's law committee And uh and that way we can get the ball rolling as well Then then they will be returned to the originals will be returned to the shared services committee until something is decided regarding that committee So that's what i'm looking for tonight because if that is eliminated If that committee is eliminated and replaced by a new committee that's being developed And we will just keep it in come in file folder until we have the new committee approved There was motion in seconds Any discussion home stefan. Thank you your honor. So what is the motion? the motion is to call These two documents to the county board Okay, so we're not voting on them and approving them or anything. We're just sending them over here. Okay, correct Thank you all them stefan any further discussion Uh turn it between just a point of clarification 772 my understanding that that would Be not as it was worded That that was as amended Uh with uh the other document 840 Good point. Thank you Okay, all those in favor of the motion state. Aye. Any opposed motion carries All those in favor We're adjourned