 We're live and Soon as Lenn gets his subscription cereal all squared away. I got my I got my Reese's puffs Yeah, dressed up as a Reese's peanut butter cup Looking good. It's a it's a Halloween. It's a Halloween miracle is what it is Darren. You ready? Yeah, and Kirby's standing by Good good as long as we have Kirby, you know as your second Yes, we're fulfilling the internet cat quota. Yeah, exactly. Well, you've made the world safe for cats. Thankfully And by the way to the people who didn't who are who are like was still wondering which I really am still wondering what happened to Half our video episode the other day turns out Today hangouts has a different interface and they're making a sharper distinction between hangouts on air and hangouts the chat So I bet they were pushing code updates right in the middle of our show. That's what I think happened I don't really know that You know those Google engineers they work. They like to work on the servers live. Don't dude. Tell me about it I Know the my wife works for YouTube thing is overdone, but yeah, she knows You push a code update when All right Let's go. Here we are Hey, you know that Tom Merritt That's one guy that really knows where his towel is and Because he knows where his towel is I support him on patreon If you would like to do the same head on over to patreon.com slash ace detect Push the button Tom This is the Daily Tech news for Friday October 30th Halloween Eve 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Darren kitchen founder of hack 5.org at h a k 5.org Dressed up as a man with a cat on the internet. Yes Kirby and I are here to get into the news with you. We are very excited. She's she's now she's a pod catster Oh, it's interesting that you know, I don't know if you realize it, but that can also be a pun No, yeah, cuz a cat. Yeah Wow, Tom interesting. Yeah, we're picking up what I was putting down Like that things Len Peralta is also with us to pick up what we're throwing it down and turn it into wonderful art as he does each week Len happy Halloween Eve. Happy Halloween Eve to you as well I am for those of you who aren't watching video I am dressed up as my favorite Halloween candy Of course the king of all candies the Reese's peanut butter cup You know, I used to really love Reese's peanut butter cups until I ate the Trader Joe's peanut butter cups No, oh what? Oh ruined me ruined. Yeah, that go Elliot Yes, I Makes me want to phone home, but instead I'm gonna do the headlines. Let's do that Yesterday afternoon the Wall Street Journal reported sources said Google will show off a unified version of Chrome OS and Android and the internet exploded According to Wall Street Journal, it would happen next year They would show an early version and then unveil the actual unified operating system in 2017 The Wall Street Journal did say the following which got missed in a lot of stories Chrome OS would remain open source and maintained by Google So they never reported that Google was gonna kill Chrome OS Recode sources same manufacturers will be able to choose between Android or Chrome OS and sources told the verge Chrome OS would in fact not be killed One source told Business Insider that it's possible that a new merged OS would be offered alongside Android and Chrome OS giving Google a total of three Operating systems and you could probably count more if you really looked close But thanks to Jason Phil and Fritz times 007 for posting about this on the subreddit Darin and I are gonna talk a bit more about what we think about all this in the Discussion, but what's your quick take Darin? I just know deep in my heart that That Google will not kill off Chrome OS Exactly the same way that HP killed off web OS by giving it to the open source community Rather, they'll put a little googly spin on it and kill it off But just handing it abandoned to the open source community. Yeah, I mean they gave waves open source community It's like it's like recycle. It's like recycling, right? Yeah cycle of the internet. Here you go open source Yeah, I know you're right. It's like relieving it on the curb. Yes, like here's gonna go reader on it But you mean I'll take it. Yeah, I see you underscore wanted to make sure we mentioned this Microsoft executive vice president of Windows and devices Terry Meyerson wrote a blog post that Microsoft will soon publish Windows 10 as an Optional update ending reservations You won't have to reserve your update and then early next year Windows 10 will become a recommended update Those settings can cause automatic installation of recommended updates users will not be upgraded to Windows 10 until they Proactively choose it so even though it becomes recommended. It shouldn't be forced upon use ed nuts Mary Jo Foley notes that users even after they update will have 31 days to roll back to their previous Windows version Microsoft also said it will allow more choice for consumers over the timing of future updates to Windows 10 They even said that going legal if you have a pirated version will become easier as well Wow, at least it's an interactive install process So you're not just gonna like wake up one morning like ah, what's what just happened here? It's basically yet. They're just gonna get pushier about it like right now. You have to ask them Then they're gonna start going. Hey, don't you want it? Do you want it? You sure you don't want Windows 10? Look, we checked marked it. You should press okay Just press okay. You'll get it. You can go back to 31 days. Come on. Just try it. Just try it Do you want to try it? I want to try it, but it's free So, I mean, you know yeah, and you can roll back and I get why They do want to have as many people on Windows 10 as possible It is a balance between making the easiest to maintain Operating system platform and letting users have their choice of what operating system they would like to run on the machine They bought right and I mean I'm not a huge fan of the privacy implications of some of the stuff in Windows 10 But at least they make it all obvious how to turn some of that stuff off and you don't want to be that guy Stop running XP and it has tell your grandfather to stop running it to Multiple sources are telling 9 to 5 Mac that the iPad Pro will go on sale November 11th This is a Mark Gurman story. He's I've got a great track record on this sort of thing So maybe mark veterans day down in your calendar 2.9 inch iPad Pro along with its new accessories the Apple pencil and smart keyboard would be available online and in retail stores iPad Pro with Wi-Fi starts at 799 bucks comes in 32 gig and 128 gig versions LTE compatible version comes in the 128 gig and starts at a thousand dollars Wait, people were complaining that the 18 inch Samsung was expensive at $599 and the iPad Pro starts at a thousand. Do I have this right for the Apple logo? I mean come on that's to be expected, you know The Apple logo was very nicely protected on my Apple TV my new generation Apple TV that I got today They even put like a special sticky just over the logo. Yeah, just over the logo with just over the logo That's on the bottom of the Apple TV But did you get one of the stickers to put in your car window to let everybody? Yes, you do You still get those two and I love November. It's a great time for product launches By the way tried Siri three times three different ways and it failed every time on Apple TV Could didn't did not give me very relevant Mark Hamill movies like no Star Wars movies could not find the leftovers on HBO and When I asked for the latest episode of Haven that I have a season pass to It gave me the movie safe haven But you did get to watch Corvette summer though It was a related choice. It's still better than Netflix search No, I'm not sure it is at this. I mean, that's not a very good sample size just three three attempts So I'll hold off The tour project released a beta of tour messenger and anonymizing off the record cross-platform chat client Tour messenger is based on the free. I am client insta bird and the tour browser client routes packets through the tour anonymizing network Disables login information and forces encrypted chats to our messenger beta currently supports jabber XMPP aka IRC google talk facebook chat twitter and yahoo. I am project developer sukiber sing Stress the client is still in beta and should not be used for strong anonymity because of that Well, I mean then again the same exact thing can be said about the tour project I mean they've always said that caveat like don't rely on just this Yeah Yeah, no, I mean they're making good strides. I'm thankful for it and it turns out tour is becoming like not just that You know tinfoil hat or black hat tool. It's it's going to hopefully um Continue the dream of the internet after it's fragmented and broken Yeah, and and you know what I'm gonna if I'm gonna give apple tv serial hard time I got to give tour messenger a hard time too because uh, I was able to authenticate to g talk But it could not maintain a connection This morning it just kept kept falling off and I wonder if that has to do with two-factor authentication or or whatnot But yeah, it kept saying it was getting unexpected data From yeah, that wouldn't be your your isp or the nsa like injecting hex code in there to make Yeah, I'm trying it right now and it's doing the same thing where it logs in it sees some people And then it goes whoa unexpected data. I don't know what to do with that. Mm-hmm. So Microsoft rolled out a chrome browser extension Microsoft rolled out a chrome browser extension allowing users to quickly access and create Microsoft office documents Either ones that are stored locally or in one drive Microsoft is also integrating skype into office online documents as well as to outlook.com Users can see and chat with skype context from within files They'll leave an attach if you're logging your chat those chat logs to the file that you were using when you did the chat You know, I love this because it's like Microsoft saying like look, you know We had a good platform or a set of platforms windows office internet explorer Obviously, we kind of neglected some of those maybe it's not the end of the world if you're not all of the platforms I think what's really interesting about this though is that it's like google being like Yeah, of course, you know, whatever it's an open platform Whereas if this were say the uh, I don't know amazon store you might have your chromecasts pulled from it So yeah, today's the day right apple tv and chromecast disappeared from the amazon store today. That's a good point TechCrunch reports german mobile carrier deutsche telecom is the first company to test europe's new new net neutrality rules Which come into force next year april 30th 2016 new rules allow isps to offer specialized services Which are not internet access and people complain that the rules seem to be vague Deutsche telecom ceo timateus hook just says his company is preparing to offer startups quote guaranteed good transmission quality Doesn't that imply that the current quality isn't good? Anyway, he suggests a revenue sharing agreement could pay for the service because he wants to pitch it to startups He just wants to help them compete with the googles of the world that have these big data centers, darin i'm i'm already like but tom remember the internet It was amazing and i'm already imagining all of the documentaries that we'll be watching In not too far off years talking about how great it used to be. I'm so scared. I'm so sad In its early days of openness the internet was a wild west where anyone could get away with anything But thankfully law prevailed in the end and now we have clean law abiding internet We have cable television all over again. Oh gosh. I hope not. Uh, yeah Good on deutsche telecom for just coming out right now and saying this is what we intend to do Uh, I think it's probably in their best interest to say if we're going to get stopped Well, let's find out now rather than wait till april 30th to find out Keep pushing the world report. What's that? I was just saying keep pushing the envelope PC world reports representatives from google amazon and walmart have joined the 25 member u.s FAA task force charged with developing a registration and identification system for drones Dave voss who heads up drone activities at google x will co-chair the committee with url lorence who leads the fAA's UAS integration office other members include folks from dji Go pro precision hawk 3d robotics our retailer best buy has somebody on that panel and there is a representative from the academy of model aeronautics Yeah, well at least the AMA is on there I honestly think the fAA and the dot are crazy if they think they're going to get any of this done by christmas And I have to give props to google x's Dave voss for recommending a dsb for two reasons like first of all like as a Uh unauthenticated and unencrypted protocol that just tries to work with best effort It's already doing that there are there's 10 90 megahertz for the commercial stuff There's a separate frequency for your general aviation. There's no reason why there couldn't be then another frequency for drones I don't buy the whole like filing flight plans, you know before takeoff or any of that crap And then I also think it perpetuates a bad protocol, but then again, we're still using smtp So that said, um, it will be fun for hackers because it just means that Drone spoofing is something that we're going to be doing on hack five as soon as this if this recommendation as as many of the other crazy ones is Taken to heart and becomes passes law will be showing on hack five the internet engineering task force has formally recognized the dot onion address as a special use domain For anonymous browsing. Uh, that means I can won't be selling the domain and dot onion addresses can be registered free of charge As long as they're used for the proper purpose verge reports the tour network partnered with facebook to submit a draft to the ietf Last october facebook unveiled a dot onion version of its own site at facebook Rewo re dot onion. I don't know how to pronounce that face. It's facebook core. I guess it's facebook core w w i dot onion Yeah, see I think facebook is for an open web as long as they have some sort of control in the platform Uh, you can see internet.org or things of that nature to kind of get a taste of it Face you're saying don't let facebook into onion. They'll just take over dot onion. No, no It's the ietf and this is the beautiful thing about how the internet used to work before Fragmentation of the future and why tour is going to become like an even more important role in keeping the old school ideals of the internet live But yes, this is overall a good thing and whether it's facebook or google or some guy who cares The ietf and the uh, I uh, I triple e I can Recognizing dot onion is good It prevents anybody from being able to spend a quarter million dollars to buy that tld And there's already a bunch of other ones like dot local What you unfortunately cannot register because that would be just the best to hack everyone cnet reports south korean mobile carrier sk telecom claimed it will be the world's first 5g carrier at the opening of its 5g research center sk reportedly demonstrated speeds of up to 19.1 gigabits per second That's about a thousand times the speed of 4 g lte sk telecom is competing with verizon and australia's telstra in the race to 5g verizon Is set to begin testing 5g next year with commercial availability targeted for 2017 Telstra aims to launch commercially in 2020 Yeah, so that's by the way a theoretical maximum and not something that you're actually going to see in the real world i'll give you an example the lte technology that we have today could provide Say 108 megabits per second But that's using 20 megahertz of bandwidth and that's using you know one of the densest encoding types Which is 64 quam and you know with just a little bit of noise from the atmosphere You're going to be dropping down from six bits with 64 bit quam to two bits with four quam Which would basically mean it would continue to drop and they're not giving you the much bandwidth per phone anyway Anyway, the point is what i'm trying to say is that there's an upper limit on how much data that you can actually push Through any given amount of spectrum and it's the same reason why you get faster Wi-Fi performance with say 82.11 ac Then you did with g and then you did with g because each successive technology just uses a wider and wider set of bandwidth But then less people can use that same amount of Spectrum concurrently So while still really really cool, and I love some of the stuff that they have in the proposed protocol Which still hasn't even been ratified as far as quality of service is concerned Just don't hold your breath for 19 gigabits or anything Yeah, it's a really good point when you hear 19 gigabytes as the maximum speed demonstrated that means that in their in their lab Just pointing one thing at another thing. They were able to pump that out your actual speeds as you know from your current lte subscription Uh, never reached the maximum, but but theoretically you might get close to a gig of service depending so You know your mileage may vary. We'll see what that works. If you got all of the frequencies Yeah, but i'm just saying you you have you 5g will end up being faster. I guess that's the one safe thing to say That's a safe bet Hey, uh fans of hp or fan fan of hp You should know that monday is the official big split Hewlett Packard enterprise with the stock ticker hpe will become a company that sells data center technology and services They'll get to stay in the current hp headquarters at palo alto hp ink We'll get to keep the stock ticker of hp And then gets whatever else is left which includes the declining computers and printers market and 6.8 billion dollars in debt They also have to move up the hill to the 1960s era headquarters on page mill road CEO meg whitman will be CEO of hp enterprise While staying on as a non executive board chairman of hp ink while she keeps two jobs 30 000 other hp employees will be laid off as part of the reorganization And that's coming on monday I don't lay off screaming but the split is Well, that is uh what we got for you. Thanks to everyone who submits stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com We got lots of great votes uh today effects some highly voted stuff didn't get in the show because of various things that we needed to make happen Today, but that's a good thing. I'd rather I'd rather have lots of stuff to choose from so keep the votes coming dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right, so it is a uh We we could talk about the media reaction to this idea that chromo s and android would merge But I think it's more interesting to talk about the fact that this is something that From 2009 sergey brinn said like, you know over time We'll probably look at merging these two and and bring and convert I think he used the word converge. There will be a convergence of these operating systems Uh tech crunches drew olinoff had a really good story Where he said chromo s always felt like it could be a mode That you should be able to turn on with android for when you had a he says shitty internet connection Or just wanted the bare bones to get work done regardless the ecosystem is alive and well Uh and his whole article points out the products are not developed in isolation in google It's not like you have the chromo s team over here and the android team over there and they never talk So the idea of having android apps work in chromo s or bringing some of chromo s's security to android is is Probably Obvious like if you're actually working inside of google So all of that going back to this wall street journal story It's not surprising with the pixel c out running android if google next year says Hey, we've we've got a version of android that we think really works Well on the last top laptop and desktop you enterprise and education Customers who love chromebooks. We're gonna keep chromo s going for you But otherwise shifting some of their emphasis to this Version of android that maybe has a chrome mode in it or something like that Yeah, no, I think this is awesome stuff and I think that it's it's never It's never at google or at least my perception has been that it's been like an apple team versus a mac team And that only like they're pitted against each other and only one will win in the end I think they're both approaching two different paradigms of computing and even today I run virtual machines of both of these, you know, both Kit Kat and chrome os for different reasons because I like certain android apps I want to have on the desktop experience and I like chrome os for its security and its kind of sandboxiness And I think Chrome os really like if anything this should be like the bookmark chapter pointer when you say like boom chrome os Success story did what it set out to do You know make a lightweight Browser lightweight operating system that just runs the browser and does that securely and very well And as a result we got like a hundred and fifty dollar computers out of it So I think that's a huge success story. I just wonder how exactly because it's a little obvious that there are two Sides of the puzzle how exactly those are going to merge together because I'm game for a google Yeah, I am too. I The the big thing that android and and for that matter ios can't do very well If at all is multitasking the reason I go off of a tablet and onto a laptop sometimes Is not just a bigger screen. It's the ability to have three windows open at once that I can pop back and forth quickly Uh, the simplest reason is I need to Uh control c here control v there and that is an arduous process in a tablet. It can be done Uh, I've done it. In fact, I was doing it on my phone the other day Because I had to but everything takes about three times as long So if you could take some of the learnings and that that's what drew all enough to talk about in this tech run stories The learnings between these groups are fast and furious. You take some of the what chromo I learned about like, okay Here's here's the multitasking stuff that we had to implement eventually because it just wasn't productive otherwise And figure out how to implement that on the android side to make it work Well on a tablet laptop hybrid. That's very interesting. Okay, so this is going to sound crazy But uh, I think that is not too far off if you consider kind of the Contributions to linux that uh google has been doing through both of those platforms in the past And yeah, I absolutely agree It's kind of impossible to think like android in its current form is a multitasking os because really you're just alt tabbing through full screen applications But and you know samsung's hacks notwithstanding. I think this is actually an awesome opportunity for google and weyland Uh, that's I know I know it sounds crazy But you know as a as a windowing environment I think it has some potential like get some android and some chromo west throw it together with some wayland And I think you've got something and then they could contribute back to that just like they've contributed back to the linux kernel I mean, it's the future of the linux operating system. So why not? I'm really just sitting here trying to figure out how to refer to chromo s is willy so I can make a willy in the wayland joke But I'm not saying no more kde. I'm still saying, you know, they're windowing environment But based on that I think do you need a windowing environment though? Well, can you use what chromo s kind of has hacked together? I mean, I think what chromo s has done is Figured out the user experience side of things But how you draw the widgets is a totally different beast than where you draw the widgets Yeah, so you make you make a better widget drawing thing too so that you can run all those android apps Because that's one of the things chromo s doesn't have to deal with is a lot of apps, right? That's also one of its downsides. Well, it's also the whole thing of like we've gone from, you know We've had a last decade of like a ton of mobile experiences that have like matured And now we're looking at our desktops going like this is a completely different paradigm So where do the two merge and you know, like I I think I'm probably not the only person who has like An affinity for certain applications on my phone that just Do not and cannot exist on my desktop and there's really no reason for that Just so happens that one runs on an arm processor the others x86, but who cares bits at the end of the day I think uh, if anything, I've always suspected that uh, that ios apps would eventually run on os 10 Now tim cook denies that but then again steve jobs denied all sorts of things that came to be apple always denies something until they figure out how to make it work in their own internal logic And then they say oh, we were denying it because it didn't work But we figured out how to make it work and now the ipod video So yeah, I mean that's it it's only impossible until they make it possible I I am still fascinated with this idea of a chrome mode In an android laptop If you can get me whether it's through uh, when doing environment or not some some ability to do multitasking With the android apps alongside a chrome mode Uh, sort of browser. I mean you're you're talking about a couple of virtual environments there, I guess if if nothing else I think what I would love to see merge from the two is the richness in applications That android brought to the table because yes the like the chrome idea of everything could be a web app doesn't really work You know, I don't I don't feel like the pendulum should have to swing Hard one direction or the other as far as a web app or desktop application or I guess device application in the terms of android So i'd love to see that continue on this platform as far as like android strengths But it's had you know pathetic security Whereas you look at the security of chrome os and partly due to the fact that it's trying to do just one thing very simply But there's something really beautiful about the fact that you reboot a chrome book And it's a fresh copy every time and you don't have to worry about malware in that sense So I would love to see both of those merge, of course I don't know how to do that or else I'd be over there doing it Well, yeah, and the end at the end of this conversation That's where we end up which is if there was an obvious way to merge android and chrome os Google would be telling you about it right now But it's been difficult and and all of these business insider Tech crunch recode all of them have one refrain Which is this is a problem google has been working on for a while And the story here that the wall street journal is breaking is they finally think they fixed it They finally think they've solved it and they're gonna hopefully have something to show you next year But this is a thorny problem They created for themselves mind you, you know, they basically said well Let's let's try both of these approaches and see which one works It was successes Yeah So the idea is like take those two successes one in the very small thin client kind of just does a few things really well Chromebook and then the other in the kind of general purpose android Which is branched out from from smartphones to tablets and cars and google glass and whatever else Yeah Well, hopefully this ends up I really do hope this ends up being true and we get a third operating system It'll be a hypervisor with a chrome vm and an android vm that you can alt tab between Got a timely pick of the day from jeff and sonny and friendly corpus christy texas. I've been there. He's right Uh says I would like to recommend chromixium Which turns your desktop or laptop into a chrome book like device It's based on a boon 2 1404 long term Lts So you get all the power and security of linux with the simple design and functionality of a chrome os device I work at a school district where we have lots of chrome books So the students are instantly familiar with the interface os uses very little resources works offline and can be run from a usb Stick or installed in about 10 minutes. It's also great for setting up a steam gaming machine We're breathing new life into old hardware and you can even set it up to dual boot If you want to keep windows around and you know test for viruses that those are his words Not mine. Check it out at chromixium.org. That's c h r o m i x i u m dot or g Chromixium, you know on that I have to say there's not fragmentation within the chrome os Sphere as you have with android. So that's another interesting point. Yeah, and whenever you bring up fragmentation It's like saying, you know, uh flat tax and politics or something Well, no, but you get what it's not a political issue What you're talking about is you have lots of different devices with different implementations of android And when you write an app you have to uh account for those different if nothing else Display sizes and things like that. Chromos doesn't usually have those issues I don't think you're a samsung chrome book. They're both going to be identical And in this case that's based on ubuntu is just trying to emulate the same exact thing It's just mostly the the carriers or the manufacturers causing that I mean android could be just as as unified as chrome os It's just that on laptops Manufacturers don't push an agenda to say we want to control the updating of the operating system You know what? Let's be thankful. You know what? Let's walk away from this just being thankful that that's not the case Yes Send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks A couple quick hits on our messages yaru from malaysia pointed out that even if console sales do slow for sony As justin robert young suggested they might Sony makes the money up on games. So as long as that install base is big They can still be making money off the ps4 for a long time. It's a good point Byron in la says that that showroom idea that we've been talking about for a couple of days We're sing post the postal carrier in singapore wants to create a mall where you go in and order things to be mailed to you Could be great for shops that can't afford large retail space or retail space at all in places like new york and la They can just have a small little kiosk Show off some of their wares definitely save on floor space And yet still take advantage of a big marketplace in a big city like that interesting thought from Byron And then uh james the aircraft mechanic in like charles louisiana says sorry in advance for the non sequitur But it seems to me like google now is trying to fill a whole reader left in our lives And i for one i'm not ready to trust them again with something they dropped so unceremoniously What is james talking about well Feedley is now showing up integrated in google now so you can get cards That have popular stories that are in your rss feeds james says pulling my feedley into now just rubs me wrong Then giving me no control over what stories come into now The whole thing is just irritating me am i being unreasonable and petty or are other feeling the sting of this merry go round Disable it and you had what you had before Yeah, i mean Also, i mean it does give you some control because you're in control of what rss feeds are in your feedley But yeah, just turn it off isn't the whole idea of now though that it would be like You know machine learning like your phone's going to like get to know you and decide what to recommend based on all of that stuff So maybe you're just in the terrible twos Yeah, i i i think james like many people is still feeling justifiably upset that google reader was ripped from their hands Uh and those those wounds will heal with time You know, that's the thing though. Where where's the where is it on github? Come on. Come on google. Just just pop it on github. I'm fine I'm feedley's working great for me And I think that's the key is like a lot of people switch to feedley and they're like, okay feedley I love feedley now screw you google reader feedley save me feedley cares about me and then to see feedley like Hey, we're integrating with google now Could feel like a betrayal if that's your narrative That's not my personal narrative. I just think oh feedley made a good product. I like them now so Uh regarding twitch creative rob and peoria writes as you and lan know The process for digital artists really isn't any different than game streaming They could share their monitor where they're drawing or painting and interact with people that are watching I'd be shocked if art communities like deviant art aren't already working on their own solutions for this I think twitch's downfall from how it sounded on your show is that they aren't going to allow fan art Or at least they've got restrictions around fan art This would be a huge segment for artists and while there is some gray area with what you do with the art after you make it It's not illegal To make it Lynn I should have asked you about this before the show, but I wanted to get your Take on twitch creative that idea that you're you could do a stream of just art now You don't have to have it tied into gaming Uh, I think that's a great idea. Actually, I was um looking at other ways of streaming my art without um Without using necessarily Google or google plus just looking at different options. Uh, and I think that's a great idea I think it's terrific more power to them. Are you worried about the terms of service that are like, uh, it must be original work And if it is if it's derivative, it must be derivative in certain ways You know what, uh, you'll always get around that I mean, it's what the people want to see and you know, uh, it's uh, I think it'll kind of all parts itself out in the end Yeah, well, and you've got experience Uh, you've you've drawn a lot of of popular art using cultural memes and and and and cultural figures and stuff So you've you've had to do that dance for a long time. Absolutely And I was I was actually looking at twitch over the summer for doing just that Interesting I was I was actually just thinking about just this last night as I was doing some after effects and premiere And what and that I was like, why can't I just screencast? Like I do with a chromecast my phone's the screen to anywhere If I just want to show something someone as someone something not necessarily remote desktop support or anything like that And yeah, that hadn't occurred to me because I think I hear twitch. I think gaming So I'm just glad to know that that's around Well, I'm glad to know that you're around darin. Uh, thanks for being around today. It's good to have you Hey, it was awesome to be here Hack 5.org h a k 5.org folks go check it out follow twitter Twitter.com slash hack 5 darin What is going on in the hack 5 verse this week? We are having so much fun with this new tool for Basically doing security auditing on sub one gigahertz frequencies. It's called the yardstick one And it's a tool that allows you to transmit certain modulation types So basically what we ended up doing over the last two episodes is we're hacking things like garage door remotes wireless doorbells wireless light control systems basically anything with a Regular wireless transmitter is going to be on one of these ism bands that we can communicate on now And so just like everything is totally hackable now just like it was back in the early 2000s with the original wi-fi B specification and before weapon wpa and all of that. It's just so much fun Right, and I think actually as soon as we wrap this we're going to break into Um into shannon's car or my car Uh that transmit their um key fobs over 315 megahertz So go and check that out if you're into rf3 it's supposed to be a series of numbers that you shouldn't be able to know darin How will you possibly know want to know find out watch hack 5? Thank you that that was good Uh, I I know I was playing two parts there. I should have I should have cast someone else Tom Hey, yeah, no seriously folks go check this out because it's stuff you would want to know Uh, if you're relying on things to secure things like are you near your car? Are you the one making my my light bulbs flicker? Yes. Yeah, okay all the way in los angeles I got a 50 megawatt and I don't know. I saw a van circling at the same time Hey, Len Peralta, what have you been drawing today? Well, you know, I said at the beginning of the show. I wasn't drawing uh, uh What the main story is but in some ways I I guess I sort of did people in the the chat room were talking about Frankenstein browsers and things like that But you know It is the day before halloween and I couldn't let this go by because I love this holiday so much without doing the annual Uh dtns halloween print Which I kind of went overboard here just because you know, I love halloween It's um, uh, for those of you who aren't looking at the uh at the video I did sort of a take on 1950s Horror movies with a movie that was called the studios of dr. Hackenstein And uh, you'll have to check it out. Um It's uh, it's it's a pretty cool thing. I think this is the most involved one I've done This is amazing. I was gonna ask did you start on this yesterday? No, no, I actually I did start a little bit earlier But I had this idea in the middle of the day. I'm like I want to make this look like a real poster So I started just about an hour before a little bit before the show So I'm just only bummed out that I can only get in a print But I'm going to lend prawl to store right now to get it. I'm so seriously me too Like this is so good poster movie poster size because uh, I I can look at it This is it's done high enough for as that I could probably do it But yeah, if you uh, if you go over to lend prawl store dot com just like darin did and tom and whoever else You can pick this print up right now wait at my store before it's locked. I have green eyes Oh, okay. You know what? That doesn't matter. I can fix that here I can fix that here in post not a big deal. Uh, that's not the one that goes out also, I just want to mention that uh, uh, the Dtns instant art collection two is up at the online store It's 10 of this year's favorite my favorite prints And the most popular ones is also as well, uh, that you can get for a very very inexpensive price much cheaper if you bought them individually so Hold on. We've got uh, jenny pulling the switch Uh, you know to to make the monster alive. Uh, you've got me as the mad scientist Darin is cast as frankenstein It's monster frankenstein's monster And I have to say Darin, I kind of feel like that would be the expression on your face. Were you to be cast frankenstein's monster? Uh, I I think I know what i'm doing for halloween this year Uh, that is fantastic. Len Peralta store.com folks. 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Give us a call 51259 daily That's 5932459 listen to the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alpha geek radio dot com on our website Is daily tech news show dot com have a happy and safe halloween folks. We'll see you monday with veronica belmont The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Time and club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Boom great show. What should we call it? Hmm. Oh, that's a question I answer. Hold on. Could be could be chromatic taken on holiday This the recycling of things Our google dumps chromo s for android. I don't get that one dumps isn't quotes chrome droid I'm missing that one too try force of google I like asl hashtag tour blocked All right chrome and stein The try force of google Hey, what if they made the um chroma chromo s the actual hypervisor? Whoa, wait wait android phone chrome Phone chrome Sorry, this is the reason Oh It makes no sense, but I'll be chromo s isn't going away. It'll be right here Why was et never a spokesperson for one of those like 1010 call at tt things in the 90s call et Why you could have been telling so many collect call things Man I keep getting an error when I try to check out Hmm. Oh, is it the PayPal thing is down again? Yeah, it was down for like hours last night. It was yeah boo I could check out in a different way It's not a problem I'm hoping I get the special misprint one with the blue eyes just so I uh, it's already fixed. No, it's already fixed Ah Anything actually it's already fixed on the store too if you go look. Oh really? Wow you're fast Yeah, it's not that hard I mean if you're liberal I've mounted my sftp directly to my mac Hey, what do you draw in? Uh photoshop Oh Wait, you're on a mac though, right? I am have you uh looked at the surface I just got to play with it. Patrick Norton had it on tech thing No, I've read a lot about it or the surface. Yeah, the pro for I think they both have the same pen Now what I was getting is the pen's got a 1024 level of uh volume I want to say or velocity or whatever it's called I've been looking for a good a good portable drawing Set up and uh the uh like my ipad and their stylus just never did it for me And I didn't you know what I mean? I wish that I wish that adobe would make a portable version of photoshop Sorry for tablets. Oh, tell me about it I wish creative cloud would just come to linux Yeah, I don't even use that. I'm still Too behind you're not on cs6. Are you? I am See got the echo right now. Just out of curiosity. It's probably me Roger Actually, uh on that note about len being a couple versions behind a photoshop. Tom, I wanted to mention to you How envious I am of you. I know you're a big uh ubuntu fan And I'm I'm stuck on Lenovo ubuntu 14.04 because my carrier lenovo hasn't pushed 1510 to my desktop yet. So fresh Oh, dude. Yeah, no, I've got the uh, I've got one of those reference model laptops That always give me the update first. Yeah, I was thinking maybe I got it straight from mark shuttleworth actually Yeah Well, like I was thinking maybe I either buy a new sony or or look at what hp has because they seem to push the updates faster, but hp pushes the updates faster But then they put their their hp ubuntu whiz Thing over it. So you got to deal with that you can install a new Window manager, but you just can't get rid of the nascar apps. Right. I know Well, I just hide them in a folder on my desktop Oh, okay. Yeah, just make sure you don't ever open those because everything just goes to crap after. Yeah, I know It's a pain By the way, if you go if you go to tested.com right now There's a little video up which you can actually watch me create a in and narrate a uh A geek week card will will smith's geek week card. Oh, sweet. So they put it up there on the uh on tested. That's awesome Yeah, it's pretty cool I'll watch this here How are the how are those guys doing with myth busters getting canceled? Uh, I think they're gonna be good because I think it doesn't affect them No, I think they're gonna I think adam Is gonna put a lot of time toward uh, okay, so it might actually be better for them. I think so. I think so will's leaving though. So, um I don't really know. I don't really know what's going on. Oh, yeah, will is going. He's starting his own vr company Oh, oh, wow. That's awesome. Yeah, it doesn't have a name yet, but he uh, he announced the beginning of september Um, good for him. That's why the live show Uh, we gave it to we gave the card to him then because I was gonna be his last real thing to do with tested Uh, but yeah, he a couple months plus then you could then you could make the will smith update card traded card You know There's a money doing that. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah, I want to see what he does. I mean he It's so vague right now, but he is leaving to start a vr company crazy That's awesome though. Yeah, it is pretty cool. He's a nice guy I like well He let me try his uh, google glass one time That's how long ago that was but Uh, what's the genre of our is this podcast? Is that what we call it? I'm having to put all the id3 tags back in um, I I thought we did no, it's on the id3 tags. Uh, the genre is for music. So I just put podcast usually I'm just making sure we're still a podcast. Are we still a podcast? Podcasts still a thing Our podcast a thing. Have they died yet? I don't know. I hear I hear to to podcast That's that thing where you get youtube red and you can download your shows, right? That's a podcast, right? Yes Yes, but you have to submit it to the google music store Right, then it's not a podcast. Yeah, otherwise. It's not a podcast Because podcast is a is a google term Right, I try to subscribe to my podcast, but the problem is on the youtube It that only shows me what it wants to show me in my feed. It doesn't show me what it's subscribed to so What's the point of subscribing anyway? Oh my gosh I was having a conversation with an unnamed person about The fact that youtube Doesn't let you actually password protects videos So like video Yeah, there's really no way to put like a screener up If you if you make something and you want to put it on youtube for people to look but only certain people have access Your only choice is a private link, but if that link gets out anybody can use it No, that's no that's unlisted unlisted is what you're talking about private is where you actually add people based on I'm sorry. I'm talking about it listed. Yeah private private Private doesn't work. You can't just like email someone to link in a password No private means you have to actually know their google id And add them to your account So private is like sharing a google doc with just me and not making it public The only problem with that is you're going to send it to my darin at hack five and not my gmail address And then i'm gonna have to send you a request to the it's just broken. Yeah, exactly So I was complaining about that Complaining about youtube man. I was complaining about it to someone who can't do anything about it But that didn't stop me because I was making spaghetti for that person and if they wanted something to listen to me Wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Len you're making spaghetti, right? Len I'm sorry. I was I was on hold I uh, I don't know what we're doing. Uh, I am uh, nor is I don't think nor is working tonight So we might try to do something fun um With food, I don't know Spaghetti is makes makes a good horror film It does does calves are on tonight. Wait Watch this Darin were you saying podcasts or pod cats? Pod oh no. Oh, that's why I get it so confused because podcasts Is an apple thing right pod cats is a youtube thing right right. Okay. Now. I got you. Okay makes more sense now So confusing. Yeah My my pod catster is is sleeping on it literally sleeping on cat five cable. You know what? Oh You gotta take a picture of that. Yeah, that's an instagrammable moment By the way, the the only useful feature about the note five is the double Click the home button to instantly open the camera. Nice like a half second or less delay. It's great How can I watch the leftovers? I'm sorry. I can't help you with that I'm sorry, tom You can't watch the leftovers Show me the latest episode of haven here is safe haven You can rent it for 3.99 Shut up siri Are you asking about corvette summer? I was actually really excited. I was like, this is gonna be great What I love is the whole concept like five years ago The idea of like talking to your phone computer device whatever was like stupid Like why would I ever want to do that and now it's just like oh look how terrible this is my new results like it went Like why would I do that too? It's so bad at understanding me Yeah, yeah, it's it's so true I probably wouldn't I still don't talk to my phone much Because I don't want to be saying what I want to my phone in front of everyone I uh, I speak really really low. Yeah I'm waiting for that technology to be implemented because they it exists where it can just like Detect what you're saying as you mouth it without you actually speaking it out loud I think I wouldn't have to go lo-fi loaf. No early bird. Damn it Why is it always x pro 2 x pro 2 you're doing it wrong? Yeah, there's something very embarrassing. I need to ask you um What does a rash on your back? I'm asking for a friend Yeah, exactly. You're like sitting in the mall and you say that and yeah, I'm asking for a friend. Okay Is it supposed to be that color series? Well, but the thing is it's like such a very specific thing It's not like it's not like linux commands that you can like string together and pipe from one thing to another I can't be like, okay google webmd. Is it supposed to be that purple and send it link to george? No, not yorg george Is it about splotchy? Splotchy It feels like it's going to fall off. It's burning Sending to branda No, they don't actually enter. Maybe there's why that's there's no logic to it. Hey siri show me photos of diabetic feet And then put them in a zip file and then email them the Guys I I mentally went away for like one minute and it got so dark. What's going on? I'm just imagining someone sitting in like the middle of a asking this Oh boy This looks a lot like an elephant here, doesn't it? Suddenly you're so you're for some reason you remind me of gene from bob's burgers Send me diabetic feet Show me pictures of diabetic feet Excelsior Hi All right, I think I'm on that note on that note Oh my gosh. All right. Well happy halloween everybody. Happy halloween land Happy halloween. All right guys. Take care. All right. Take care. Have a good one. Bye Almost done just waiting for processing processing Just waiting for pre-session see this is where uh YouTube could really up their game by hiring that lady echo You know echo from skype. They should hire her to just be like processing echo from Alexa Reticulating splines from amazon She's an she's an amazon girl. This is the skype cold testing service. Yeah that lady somebody else Just like the way she says configured Configured if you've configured your mic properly You wouldn't be calling me Get your act together, please I can't just be doing this for people all day. That's when I realized she was live. I always thought it was a recording Oh you again It's a usb port you get it on the third try Oh You could see my confusion on usb ports in in video today on my youtube unboxing of the apple tv I show the usb-c thing and then I pull out a cable. I didn't realize you had to charge the remote I missed that somewhere. So I pull out a cable and I'm like, huh. They gave you a usb-c to usb adapter Well, that's interesting. That's kind of cool. Although it's male on both ends, but oh, all right So I try plugging in I'm like, oh, nope. That's a lightning adapter. What the hell's that for? You know, oh, you have to charge your remote. Of course you do This is the beauty of usb and why if if radio shack could have just like held on a few more months For usb-c to come around. We'd all be there to make a million adapters So I need a usb-c to lpt port. Uh, you have those right? I need I need a usb Jack to usb-c, but I need it to be the the usb Modular end not the usb Box end. So what you want is a female usb-c We don't have that but if we go female usb-c The cintronics and then take a cintronics cable to lpt. We've got an lpt back to usb-c adapter like I've got an old intel camera though, and it's just got the boxy usb port Oh, we'll work for that Yeah, we've got an rs-232 that'll go to that so with with if we get you an rs-232 And then a game port cable back to usb-c. We've got you covered like three now Can I splice my component vcr into this? You're going to need an rf modulator for that tom But we've got one that goes to hdmi and then an hdmi to usb-c adapter So there you go. The problem is this is a perfectly plausible conversation You know what's hilarious? I had written a cold open that said oh god. What was it going to do? It was rf replay with rtl sdr and gq rx and I realized I had just said a bunch of letters Yep Oh radio check the radio checks are starting to put up their little sprint signs around me Like like oh, we're gonna be a sprint store soon So at least they're not going dead Maybe they'll still sell hdmi to rs-232 came Can I get an ethernet to mains adapter? Well, you know what sucks is there were one few places you could get appliance fuses For because you know depending on what kind of appliance you have. Oh, they don't take the regular blade No, no, they most of them take the little cylindrical um Can't get that a hardware store Not all of them not all of them carry The oh Order in it You don't need it Well, so the thing with the internet is it tells me there's one store in san francisco That would carry it or I could order online Or I did what I did two months ago when there was so radio check I bought out all the fuses I needed Like I stocked up on like two bags worth just in case There's you know, it was super cheap. They're like a buck each so Just make sure you tape them to the back of the dryer Actually taped it inside the dryer wall I used to do that with my driver CDs on the inside of my computer case and then the internet I used to keep those in a special pocket in my laptop bag You put them in a ziploc bag and then you tape the ziploc bag as well as the windows installed disk to the bottom of your pc case Make sure you put it in the ziploc bag because those dust bunnies Oh, plus I did an ubuntu live boot cd once without that and it just turned into a flaked silver. It was useless Yeah, it just like whatever it was rubbing against in the laptop bag just like shaved everything off of it Also props for having a new ubuntu cd Oh, yeah, it was for uh for um, you know Diagnostics and shit. Yeah, no no you Oh, okay. I thought you meant you're like that guy that went to cd rom.com back in the day and like 700 oh, no, I just burned it. I took an ISO and burned it that Yeah, well That's that's what you get for using that cheap max well crap You know, it was gonna flake Yeah, it was cheap. I don't even it probably was max l actually what's what's the oldest cdr recorded cdr d has Oh, uh cdr like some you've burnt out It's probably one of eileen's music CDs from 2002. I have one. I definitely have some of those 1996 with a copy of quake 2 on it Ah, the best part of that is you can pop it in your cd player and listen to the tunes off it Was that the one that trend resner did or did he did the no that was uh trend resner did Did The first quake but quake 2 was a really cool band and I can't run their name now hang on Ah, they're so cool Back when I was uh in charge of all the computers on screensavers. I had I had still have had the case logic very case logic You would stick all your CDs Inside so I still have that and I have like we have a bunch of those sonic man our CDs in Sonic mayhem. Yes And with that we are out of the post Uh, thanks everybody. Have a good halloween and we will see you on monday Bye