 We will be having a discussion this morning on how Kenya Association of Manufacturers has partnered with Tivet to just to try to help young people to become the best they can be speaking to Miranda Pendo, Tivet coordinator. She will be telling us more about the Tivet and the KEM, how they have been working together, how the journey has been, the achievements and maybe the mishaps and what they feel, which needs to be done, speak to us to all our social media platforms at Y254 channel, on Twitter Y254 channel, Facebook and Instagram. My name is Adereva Hilewe, good morning and welcome. How are you Pendo? Fine, thank you Hilary, how are you? I'm very well, now you know we are in COVID-19 pandemic and since it's your first time here with me I'll ask you how has COVID-19 impacted you this far? That's a very interesting question, COVID-19, it's been both positive and negative, positive in the sense that with the flexibility, ability to work from home, I've been able to bond with my kids a lot more. Negative in terms of the economic impact also on my personal businesses and consultancies, it's not been very easy but on a lighter note I think it's also reduced the number of colds that I have seen in my house so the hand washing has actually worked. The place where you work from the association of manufacturers, we have the Big 4 Agenda and we have so many companies in the country, how is your job during this pandemic with the manufacturing industries, how are you faring on, how are you working together? Okay, so as you are aware manufacturing is one of the Big 4 Agenda and it's a very important component within the country. So with the COVID-19 of course there's been a lax in manufacturing because there's been reduction in ability of people to purchase so the purchasing power has gone down, it's also strained in terms of for example shifts. So within manufacturing we actually had a study together with EY where we were looking at what is the impact of COVID-19 on manufacturers and we've seen, we've actually been able to record a lot of impacts both the positive and the negative. The positive being a lot of uptake of local manufacturing for example for PPEs but the negative actually we've seen a couple of companies, a number of companies also closing, reducing, downsizing. Now that you have mentioned before we even shift gears you have mentioned of the research that you have done and COVID-19 to some extent according to the experts it's kind of here to stay. We have lessons we have learnt through the manufacturing industry and maybe the way forward through the research you have been doing. Is there anything that you have come up with? From now I think we can move because I've seen even organizations they are now saying people can work from home. We have seen online meetings have worked. Now in the manufacturing industry what is that one thing new you feel we have done this and maybe we can carry it on even post COVID-19. Okay maybe I'll just give you a snapshot of what we do at KAM. So within KAM we are like a 60 year old business membership organization. We represent manufacturers across the country and we are looking as a goal to drive global competitiveness. So we are looking at having our membership drive global competitiveness and within KAM we have a component that focuses primarily on policy and focus and research and it is from there that for example the study that I've talked about comes up because for us to be able to actively engage government on issues policy we need active research. So in terms of the lessons for example I think one of the lessons would be the importance of buy Kenya build Kenya. The importance of buying local because we have quality for example that is also competitive on a national platform. And also the importance of ensuring that we have policies in place that encourage manufacturing because when you have the right policies in place it has a trigger effect. It has an effect on the economy it has an effect on unemployment so having the right policies that encourage the growth of the manufacturing industry. So I think that's one of the things that has been a lesson even for us internally as for government to see and that's something we really would like to really continue pushing on having the right policies in place. Awesome. Let's move to what is here. Yes. How did you partner? What instigated the idea? What prompted you to want to be partners with a tivet and not other universities or maybe say high schools I don't know. Okay so come we work with the manufacturers and because our co is manufacturing the issues on productivity and then there are also issues on skills. And one of the things that came up from our membership was the need to have quality and relevant skills that are market ready. So when you look at for example within a normal industry for every single graduate engineer you have three, four, five technicians. So if you're looking at it in terms of the elasticity or the number of people that an industry can take up you see that comparatively tivet will be able to take up a lot more than the engineer who is from our mainstream universities. That's not to say that our universities are not producing quality but also just looking at what is the need within the industry. So when the issue of quality skills kept coming up so within KAM our role is to address our manufacturing members issues. So the issue of skills kept coming up and we discussed with our members and asked what can we do. And they said are you able to one do advocacy because our core role is advocacy advocate for more involvement of industry within the academia. So that we as members of industry we are able to address issues on curriculum, we are able to address issues on the quality that comes out of the technical institutions. So we were able to now drive that and through partnerships with the Ministry of Education we've been able to work together to also drive the tivet reforms. I think you're aware of the tivet reforms that have seen agencies such as CDACS such as Tiveta setup to ensure that there's also means streaming within the Ministry of Education in terms of quality, in terms of relevance for the market, in terms of having skills that the young people when they get out of the training institution they're ready for the market. So as we were doing that we also identified a need to be able to link our members with quality skills and from there the tivet program came up within KAM itself. And this the tivet program within KAM is currently funded by the GAZ the German Development Corporation. We've been running the tivet program from 2017. Again like I said it stems up from the need to ensure that our members have quality skills. And how we do that is by one providing opportunity for young people, recent graduates within the last five years to be able to get hands on experience in the labour market. Because the young people say we don't have an opportunity, no one is even giving us an opportunity for internships. So we are able to identify what are those opportunities within our industries and then link up our young people from the TTIs to those opportunities within our membership. As you're trying to say you have placements for attachments, you get them placements for attachments. And also as part of that we also get them into jobs. So what happens is for example we have a member that says I need this number of technicians, I need two electrical technicians, I need five mechanical electricians. So we are able now to identify from there who to link up to this member to get interviewed, to get shortlisted and to transition into jobs. The first days of the COVID-19 when it was first announced and then all the stories were we need beds, we need sewage and ventilators. And then we had some students who came up with an idea and they innovated some ventilators. Now how did come help them if they ever did? And if you never did that what has your plan because I know we have so many innovators out here. How is come encouraging young people to realize their skills and their talents and how do you mold them towards what they have and what they can do for our market. Okay. One of the interesting things is you realize that the biggest users of the ventilators and the sources will come membership. So when the ventilators came up those are linkage within come we have different sectors. So one of the sectors is the automotive sector and you see like the ventilators actually fit in within the automotive sector because it's a component where you're able to now do the welding and everything. So I wouldn't say that come was not involved. What I'd say is it was a great thing that there was an innovation and our membership has actually been able to support such innovations to ensure that one they are out there and two that they are owned. Within come unfortunately I didn't get to talk much about what we do but let me just get to talk about it now. That within come we have different components. One of the components like I said is the policy research and advocacy which is actually the issue it drives the research component. We have the membership component of come that looks at what are the issues that manufacturers face. How do we address those issues for example electricity issues on county levies. Then we have the come consulting. So come consulting actually looks at growing the membership of come and driving them towards global competitiveness and how does it do that. One through training on productivity so we have what we call the come manufacturing academy. So through the academy it gives skills technical skills productivity skills relevant skills for example sales to manufacturers. So we train them and they're able now to be more competitive. Then we have the SME hub. Now the SME hub looks at the small and medium enterprises that are focused on manufacturing and value addition and then it hand holds them. So if you run SME in manufacturing you become a member of the SME hub. So you have the advantage that you're able to be hand held. Your policy issues are able to be escalated to a national level. You get the relevant skills and the relevant market linkages. Then we have a component that focuses on energy the center for energy and green growth. And now this looks at the productivity and energy efficiency and better use of resources. So within the center of energy efficiency then you have for example of flagship energy management awards where you're able to identify what are the innovations around energy management. What are the best practices in terms of reducing carbon footprints for example. So it actually looks at the whole component of energy management then we have Tibet that looks at how do you enhance human capacity. I mean human capital by giving relevant skills to the relevant industries. So within Tibet of course you do the linkages the job placements and of course issues on advocacy around skills. Then we have the part that looks at the global market and it looks at what are the markets out there through the business information. What are the markets out there. You want to do business in commesa how can you do that. How do you prepare for business in commesa. How do you prepare for export markets out of Africa in Asia for example in Europe. So within comm consulting now we have all those that ensure that as a manufacturer all the things that you require are actually addressed in one. Then of course we have we call it a mediation center that trains people and gives skills and information on issues on governance and anti corruption. So when you are within comm you find that it's holistic. And in terms of ensuring that young people are their needs are identified the innovations are addressed. They can fit within each of this. If you are a young person who is interested in manufacturing and value addition this space for you within come consulting within the SME hub. As long as you're doing manufacturing and value addition you can become a member you can get trained you can get handheld you can get market linkage. Bring to the question. Yes. I'm a young person. I'm interested now in the SME hub. Yes. What do I require to be a partner with come. Okay. You don't become a partner you become a member. A member. Yes. And how that happens is you express your interest. You let us know you're doing what kind of manufacturing. Officially by mail or visiting offices. By mail info at come.co.ke. You let us know what manufacturing are you doing. And then there's an officer in charge of that who will get in touch with you and be able to take you through the process. How do you register? How do we identify and assure that you actually fit in within the criteria of being a manufacturer and what are those other issues that you'd require. Is this for free? Membership is not for free but it's a minimum fee. It's very minimum. If you look at what you're gaining it's very minimum. Yes. Because at the end of the day you will market me. We will help you get market. We will not market you but we will help you get market. So if you're a young person for example who is interested in working within industry as a technician and engineer. Then you're able to work through the TVET project. And you send your details. We also get in touch with you. We also train young people on work readiness. Why do we do that? Because it gives you an extra edge. A lot of industries say that the reason that young people don't really fit in is they don't have soft skills, life skills. So we give you one that extra edge for free that is supported again by the donor which is JZ. And then we're able now to link you, match you. So you are a young person, you're good in electrical, you're interested in an electrical position. So we take your CV, we match you with a couple of industries. You go there, you do your thing. You get to shine. From there there's of course the natural attrition where there's some that are absorbed and some that will actually join other industries. Because it's given you an exposure and it's given you more confidence. Alright, come you have mentioned of several components that you have. Now with partnership with the TVET, what programs now do you have now to help these young people further? So we partner with the JZ and then we also partner with the Ministry of Education, the Directorate of TVET. So our partnership with the Directorate of TVET is basically on looking at issues of occupational standards. The standards that ensure that when a young person is trained in the technical institution, they are ready for the market. Looking at capacity building of technical trainers so that they're able to train the graduates on the level that is required by industry. So that's the partnership with TVET. And then with the partnership with the JZ is now where the program is able now to provide that holistic approach. Train you on work readiness, give you opportunity to be able to get internships, link you up to jobs and to do that through two components. One is we have a job site where you can be able to put your profile online and employers see that. And then we're also going to be launching a mobile application where you'll be able to identify who is the nearest employer, what do they want. You'll be able to also hire tools. For example, you want to go to a site but you don't have tools. Instead of having to buy, you have someone within that locality that you can be able to hire tools from and be able to do your hustle or your gig for the day and go back. So we'll be launching that mobile application very soon so that our young people can be able to see what is it that KAM does for them. KAM is pretty youthful. I think you've seen our CEO. So for KAM, young people are really important because young people form the backbone of productivity. That's true. You mentioned something to do with the mainstream universities and the technical universities and there has been a perception. The person who went to the university there said to be, quote-unquote, super power. But also when you look at someone who went to the technical college, they went to that particular course and they did it well. Maybe because of their grades in school. Now there has been a bad image of technical schools. Yes. How are you now helping these young people and encouraging them? It doesn't matter whether you came to a technical school, what you learned here is equal to what someone else did in the university. How are you encouraging them when they come out here searching for jobs and maybe even looking for a job market? One I think the most important thing about accessing opportunities is really about perception and what you think. There are a lot of opportunities that are available if you're willing to take the risk, if you're willing to go the extra mile. That said, I don't want to say that there's no unemployment, but I know that there is a lot of opportunity. For young people that are venturing into the tivet space, tivet has a lot of opportunity for growth. You can grow directly within the technicals and you can grow and transition also into university. Right now, for example within the country as part of the tivet reforms, there is the Kenya National Qualifications Framework that shows how do you transition for example from an artisan level and you can be able to move from artisan to a certificate and you can actually be able to move that from an artisan to a master craftsman. So you're able to grow into your career and progress even to the level of a master's and a degree level. So within the current framework, whichever pathway you choose, you can be able to transition. So it is for every young person that is listening to me, I just want to encourage them that there is a lot of opportunity. The pathways are a lot and there are a lot of courses. For example, there is a course that we are also partnering with Chiesa Don called Industrial Mechatronics. Interestingly, it's a mix of mechanical and electrical. So interestingly, a lot of industries use for example and require mechatronics engineers. But that's a course that has not been trained in this country yet. We have that at university level, but they're not very technical. So if you have a young person who is interested in being an Industrial Mechatronics engineer, then there's opportunity also for example at Kiyambu Institute at KIST, where they're training young people for diploma level in Industrial Mechatronics which will provide opportunity for you to transition into the job market. So there are a lot of opportunities and it calls for an open mind. Do research find out what are the trends? You're always on your computer or on your mobile phone. We are looking towards industry for point or where we are looking towards where there's a revolution in terms of technology. What are the trends out there? How do you position yourself to be able to fit in within where the industry is going? I wanted to tell you preach because when we get to our phones we have other things we want to see on Facebook, Instagram and other social media platforms. But anyway, this is other than the advertisements that we will see maybe on the mainstream or maybe you will see flyers. How else can I get this information? Now you have mentioned of a new cause. Now I didn't know it. How do we now get that exposure? Because most of the young people they lack exposure. How do you get to these platforms? How do you get to this information other than TV and maybe the phone you have mentioned? Is there any other way we can get to that? Within social media, yes. For example if you follow the Come Twitter handle we have a lot of updates on what is going on in the manufacturing space and then also other partners. For example any technical training institution if it's active on social media then you get information and then there's word of mouth. That is I think the greatest way that you can get information from each other because you have other young people that have tried they've seen the advantages and they can actually be able to tell you okay better this works. True. Now tell me about co-operative vocational training which is one of your... I didn't say you're the programmer company. Yes. Tell me about it. What's your target? What are you looking for after you have achieved or when do you think you will have achieved? Okay. Co-operative vocational training. So what is co-operative vocational training for example? This is where a young person gets the opportunity to work and learn. Okay. So what is the advantage of that? It allows the young person to get more hands on exposure. When you get out into the industry industry wants to be able to know, can you do? So co-operative vocational training is based on the ability to be able to do. So you get a lot of exposure in terms of getting out there learning and getting back to industry applying your knowledge. Learning, getting back to industry and applying your knowledge. So we are running a co-operative training program and this is also in partnership with AJZ and it is being done with three technical training institutions. So we call them centers of excellence. One is the Nairobi technical training institute that is a center of excellence in automotive mechatronics. Then we have the Thika technical training institute that is a center of excellence in auto body technology. So the body building components of our vehicle. And then KIST, the Kiyambu Institute of Science and Technology that had mentioned earlier that is a center of excellence in industrial mechatronics. So the co-operative vocational training is where young people are getting into class. The first class starts in October and it starts virtually. Then they do their one term in class then they do another term in an industry. So it is going to run for a period of 2.5 to 3 years where it is 50% in class and 50% in industry. This is something that has worked in other countries for example Germany and in Canada and it is something that has been seen to add value in terms of the quality of the graduate. You get out ready for the market. Rather than what we have been having when you get out into the market now industry has to now train you again for themselves which is an additional cost that costs even amounts to up to 2 years. Which is even difficult when they say they need someone who has an experience of 6 years and then you are like I never went anywhere. I have the skills but I never put them to practice. To practice yes. So KAM is coming in to help these young people. Now other than the persons from the technical are you doing the same with persons in the university? So at the moment our focus is primarily on the technical. Like I said it is based on what our member needs. So like I said for every single technician that is from every single engineer that does the drawings you need about 5-6 technicians. So we are looking at what is the elasticity what do our members really need because at the end of the day KAM is there to ensure that the needs of the local manufacturers are addressed so that they are more competitive. Alright now you have these particular particular courses for a very long time they have been said to be for men. And now in your programs you have enrolled more ladies coming to STEM courses where now we have had a perception again of e-kazi niwa. Now me like the engineering I have seen them drive the caterpillars in the construction industry and I am like ok empowerment and then transformation. What do you have to say about this? Ok at the risk of sounding cliche. But I believe that there is primarily no work that is gender specific. And we have seen that even within our manufacturing space that we are having owners of manufacturing industries who also women who are technicians they get into overalls that they are able to do. So for all the girls that want to get into manufacturing technical space the sky is not the limit. Within KAM we have the women in manufacturing and the women in manufacturing component is actually looking at how do we encourage more women and girls to get into manufacturing how do we provide them with a platform to be had how do we provide mentorship for other women and girls within that ecosystem. And the reason for that is for example if you look at any TTI the number of girls that join a TTI a many. In the first year within a specific class for example electrical you will get 30 girls 40 girls and they move into the second year they drop off move into a course that people will say that's more feminine. So the women in manufacturing component within the tivet space for example is actually looking at showing these girls within TTI is that you know what we have these members that are members of KAM that are doing it you can be able to do it but also within WIM getting women a voice to be had to do advocacy on issues that are pertinent to manufacturing and to also provide space for them to just voice out. So this opportunity for girls within manufacturing they need to just go for it and also there's a need for institutions to be sensitive to the needs for girls. Ensure that they are PPEs Ensure that basic things like toilets available. Actually I want you to hold on that thought there's something going on around our country and I think the statement she was trying to avoid is what a man can do a woman can do better being a case tivet and Kenya Association of Manufacturers speaking to Pendo she's telling me many things what are happening and what KAM has been doing for young people especially the young small medium enterprises and that's where I want us to go after telling me what a man can do a woman can do better but before then kuna kitu lukumese ma that was what I said actually send us your comments or questions to all our social media platforms Y254 channel on Facebook and Instagram at Y254 channel on Twitter let us know how you feel so SMEs want us idea it's good you know how tourism aswali by the way because me me I'm like I thought it's free I'm told it's not free how much is it I don't know kama yuniki to kongelilua pamanikwenda kong biwa kwa avitabo so the ladies the engineering sector for a long time it was believed kwa kaziwa naume do you think we have embraced our women in their right way badum kona power matu na sumonaki dogo that's a very interesting and tricky question to answer in the sense that what is power my thoughts that society kazi ni kushikiliana pamoja it's really complimentary it's not competitive and that said it means that there's also an opportunity for example young men should also not feel that these certain jobs are just for women because that's how society has perceived them if there is an opportunity and you're able to do it go for it nothing should hold you back the good thing about this country is that it is open and it allows you to really achieve your potential regardless of your age, your gender religious affiliation and all that so if there's an opportunity that is there for men, for women, go for it exactly you mentioned about a component in KAM and maybe you can interact with the programs that you're running helping the because how do you wengi how do you wengi easy PPCS majority have been the youths you look at simple things like say the deko industry we will see how it is iso material iso kangao api the same things these are the young people in the kukwezi sectors majority of the young people are in the joakal industry and how specifically how is this person helped to market either locally and even abroad hi number one he would help support supported helped in a mean home say yet every young person for example by the time msi ako jobia kia joakali un msi ako ameiva kili ana need to ni eo extra tag kwa chiv tuile kitu ana anataka kwa chiv so what we do at the Kenya Association of Manufacturers within the SME component is we look specifically umsenim to and do manufacturing in the value addition joo there are a lot of other organizations that did with other SMEs so sisi kwa sabusisi ni wa say wa manufacturers wu yutman anawak na nimsi manufacturer so kama ni manufacturer tick number one you can join our program so how do you do that reach out nimesema tuma e-mail infoat.com.co.ke wa say ako come wengio oni vijana so kuna vile water engage then water is ako kwa ambia kwa understand programia kwa beta ila job buna do wana understand beta alafu afterwashad river then wana kwa kwa within program specific kama wutezaku kupewa skills so kuna zingini ambazo niza free ambazo ziko supported for example na partners kama donor kwa jz na kuna zingini enya lazima piawe wu fukew kumfu na ukisha pewa skills wu ziku jismamiya kuli di kumfu ku utaske uchungu because unona what is the value so within SME component for example and linking programia na do activate mi for example sa zinata after my SME youth 167 e mumeske ya 167 zini nambapwa na I'll never say manufakcharaz na how niwa say ambao nita wak na how tru trainings flan tru our SME hub wu ziku kwa competitive wu kuna basics for example registration ya business a lot of young people are doing manufacturing and they are not registered for you to be competitive how do you become competitive without for example being registered what do we have kibs how do you prepare for kibs so how I will say 167 nita wak na how tawapcharaz ambao what is training wu ziku kwa competitive video unneza angaliya hila ruka sema 2010 tu du kwa wase 10 a mo wa say 50 2020 tu kwa 2020 apundu koranemi in fikisha apundu koranemi in fikisha so 2020 tu du kwa na wase 50 for example 2021 tu kwa na wase 50 wengine so tu me fikasu by 2022 tu nita kwa kwa angaliya wale 50 wa kwanza what has been the change in their in their businesses have they recorded more sales have they been able to even sell outside for example of their county have they registered their businesses wama register pia na kibs waka na iyo kib certification kuna wali amba wa waka for example ready for export atak pela kavitu UG by the way ni kitu kubu kusiyo ni market ingine amba yo watu wengi hawana yu ability ya kwa access na feel before atta to into details of all those to define new manufacture juneza scheme se mone na fanya tu job ekim tanya na jidae ni manufacturer who is a manufacturer manufacturer ni say ana chu kwa kitu ana ijenga ina kwa kitu ingine kitu kitu so artisto kuchora ayuko apo kuchora ayuko apo na kimi kuchora pia kuna programs ni ni patina zwengini anezafitin wasi waka vings waka apo wanya ona chunganga imbaozi na kwa seji waka apo weo ni weo wa chanyangali kusama bukuna sewengeta kwa ambiaji dili kwa metu na kwa gana sectors kwe tu weo ni sector initwa wood, timber and furniture so weo mitu ana chunga ana fitin kwa weo ya timber because pia kwe tu kuna manufacturers unbao wana chiku unbao wana tengeneza wana tengeneza matibos ni ni ni ni ni wana wuzi awase na wengi na fanyampaka export wana wuzi tusu mbo manufakse razi pekiake ukisha wachu kwa training here for how long what are some of the programs uta kuna waran through so in partnership na tenei project 2 tu na fanyabadu na JZ ni awo ma SMEs like I said kuna programi nitu of business growth ambiao SME habi ufanya andakam komponentzezo business growth program ambiao awase watatreniwa ju tukiangale umsenim for example hana yu skill awo nyeshi how do you market yuself unaza jweza aji ukwa social media unaza je tume yu social media u get a market niche utaji brand aji so tu takupatia yu training ambiao ita takupatia skills naseti 20 na fanyawans like I said niki tu tu na tembiana between 20 na 2023 tu taku ato metembiana ui kijana tu na jo awo Apanjio mefikiya because at the end of the day uta kuna out of hour say 167 nwi wungapi one is afika level for example kama yabidgu how do you get kama yabidgu ni by kumeksu akuna we didn't know how much of handmade work was needed. That means we don't have to agree on our include a model UPSIMA, we had a prospect after they got into a job So when they were on Yudha S cement石 So whether COVID-19 was a big hit this could be seen as achild Kwa saivi ni umesemu mepiana e-mail people will reach out, you will have over a thousand, what will be your selecting criteria other than E-Akuwe manufacturer, what other thing will be your score? Mwa shi Akuwe manufacturer. Nakamuna taka studio Tivet, nitu mi e-mail tivet.com.co.ke Right, as we finish, since 2017, what have you achieved? Since 2017, we've run a pilot, the tivet program was actually a pilot where we were able to work with 1,023 young people across the country. Out of this, about 750 were trained in work readiness. We've had more than 400 getting employed within our manufacturing members' network, and then a lot of others who moved into self-employment. So, wala jifungu na job, yotema tukwa tunatrak, but say tunatrak tunatakujua, what have you really moved into? So, in terms of the achievement of those 1,000 young people, I can say maybe 10% tunatakujua, 10, maximum 20 tunatakujua potelea somewhere. Because we've had young people one getting employed, moving into self-employment, some going back into school to upskill themselves. So, wala jifungu na yotema tukwa tunatakujua, because as having gone through the program, say, by the way, nafana nirudi, nirudi shule. Exactly. Now, with the 10% as you respond to the challenges that you have faced, what do you think could have attributed to our 10% maybe kupotelea mahalivi? What are some of the challenges that you have faced and maybe the solutions you came up with? Number one, attitude. For example, kipelekwa job, balafu wukai usemi, ehi job, awa sayonana pate marutin, minataka kupiwa machine within week one. Which, if a machine is worth millions, you have to grow into it. You get. So, one is attitude. Another thing is just that personal drive. For you to be able to achieve anything, you really need kujiskuma. So, there's also the issue of personal drive. And then another thing, the third thing is, like I said, issues of policy and employment elasticity. Akuna job zakutosha, akuna putiti zakutosha, akuna polisi zingini, akuna kaziha, for example. Amazo, they're not opening, providing opportunity for absorption of 100%. And as come, particularly like what we do, the issues of policy are things that, that's our key. Ensuring that we do policy advocacy so that our manufacturers are very competitive, not just locally but also globally. All right, with that, I'll give you an opportunity to speak to the young people out there. Wambi yo email address tena na ni nino na ta futa na ni nino na ta pata from your final words. This will be your camera. Okay. So, I do that in English as well. Okun kwa wasi, my youth, kuna kuna wasi wa shen, kuna wa tutu wame omoka. Natuengi na metu rakembuka, sisi so shen na tujua give of yote. So, for every young person that's listening to me, the one thing that I'd like first to say is, the sky is not the limit, you are your own limit. Yoi na manisha, kilecho chote unata kakudu, you can do it if you want to. Go for it, go for it, go for it, jis kume, go for it. Akunaga limit at the sky is the limit. Where when do your own limit? So, whatever you want to do, do it. In terms of the support that you're able to get from the Kenya Association of Manufacturers, are you a young person who is doing manufacturing and value addition, then reach out to us and let us partner together, let us drive the economy of this country together because there's a lot of opportunity for manufacturing to grow within this country. Now, if you're a young person, you're doing technical vocational education and training, wuna do stories electrical, mechanical, you've been graduated and wujapata stories internship, reach out to us and also reach out to your technical training institution because chances are that nimet after industrialization of isawen yunika muluza bithi habun petia list na hawkuku yun list. So, peer ensure ya komba ae lo klesu lukuna sumia akuna, kontakza akuna siri ako and you can drop us an email. Email lietu ya tivet ni tivet tvetatkamkam.co.ke So, you can drop us an email at tivet.com.co.ke questions ozote ambazo wuna zo nesatunia peerinfo.com.co.ke So, tuna takako ensure that tuna gruhi ekonomi pamoja because young people are the future of today. Thank you. All right. Comments is changing.